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#61 Arek the Absolute

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:05 AM

I'm surprised that its been two years and no-one has brought up a problem with this rule.

Its a remix site where people aren't allowed to discuss their favourite remixes.
In fact, people aren't allowed to discuss their favourite anything.

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Is this the best solution you guys could come up with? Some users behave badly to others... so you ban all such discussion, for everyone.

Wtf.


Are you serious?
You can post your comments on what you think on any remix in the reviews section, where that stuff belongs. This thread's statement is saying that people should not make favorite's threads, like say "favorite ff" or "favorite badguy", things that would obviously start a flamewar. Nowhere did it say that you couldn't comment about remixes.....

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:55 AM

Nowhere did I say that either. I wrote about people being unable discuss their favourites. I am crystal clear on the thread's topic - people can't make "favourite <anything>" threads. Exactly.

And if people want to talk about their favourite bad guy? Or their favourite remix on OCR?
You asked if I'm serious?

I understand the potential for flamewars, and banning all combustible material does work. Of course it does, its the easiest solution out there. Just outlaw any conversation in any such subject. Brilliant. Its like this topic belongs in PPR - keeping the peace by disallowing positive expression.

Flamewars annoy me too, but it boggles my mind to think that the solution thought up was to ban all the topics that might have a bit more emotion in them. Just keep it numb, yeah? Robust discussion is too much to handle so just do away with it entirely. No more favourites threads.

I can't believe that's the way everyone sees it.
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#63 Arek the Absolute

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 09:48 AM

The volume of people this site gets that have the maturity level of an infant is greater than that of those with the maturity level that is required to have a discussion about your personal "favorite" of anything. They wouldn't instate this rule unless flamewars have occurred more than just a few times.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 01:35 PM

The problem with a LOT of favorites threads is that most posts in them are limited to "<x> is my favorite" and that's it. No discussion, no useful input, and the risk of flamewars because in the end it's all down to opinions. Same goes for those "Who would win in a fight?" threads.

Remix threads are specifically disallowed because of the site's goals and rules. You may have noticed that there's no rating or genre system either.
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Posted 20 January 2007 - 02:55 AM

Defend- OCR has a simple mission- if it's on the site, it's "good". By "good", that means it passed the written (and any unwritten) standards of the site in terms of arrangement, production, etc. (or at least, balances those areas out). There are no 10s or 1s here, no ratings, no "favorites" play lists... just remixes that passed judgment. And really, that's all the OCR higher-ups want it to be from what I've gathered. Of course, that doesn't mean you'll like the genre chosen, or even where the remixer went with it, as that's going to be opinion-based. But favorite "remix/remixer" threads do exactly what this site doesn't... it divides up the remixes into rated groups. If the people running this site don't want this, why would they let the posters do it?

If folks want to break up this site's remixes into personalized "bad" and "good" sections, people can do that on their playlists. If they want to say how much they love a remix or remixer, they're more than able to do so via PM or in the given remix's thread. It's not about keeping people from saying how much they like a tune or person's style, but rather about keeping the site from becoming a mass of threads talking about nothing but.

Plus, one of the things about favorites threads is that frankly, they've been done to death. Unless the topic is about a movie, game or what have you that just came out, the same points come up every single time (and the same insults too). And when you're dealing with OCR remixes and remixers, the same people and songs come up over and over and over. And as somewhat unlikely as it may sound, after a while, these kinds of threads may even lead to people ignoring any remixes that weren't mentioned in any of the "OMG BESTEST" lists... and that pretty much defeats what the whole judging thing's about.


Basically, it keeps the bullshit to a minimum. No one's being silenced, or told to not say what remixes they like. They're just being told to put those comments where they belong. That's all :)

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 04:12 PM

my bad, i guess you could call me a veteran listener but a newbie poster. I didn't realize that there was so much flaming on these boards of our remixing community. I was actually posting that topic in an attempt to find out what other people liked so that just in case there was something i hadnt sampled already, my search for good remixes would be helped along. In any case, I see good reason in disallowing such topics now that I've thought it through more. Thanks for not flaming.


I had a similar question; I wanted recommendations for works to put on a CD as a stocking-stuffer level Christmas gift. The question was vaguely answered by AbyssWyrm, whom I did not recognize as an authority. I was hoping someone might give me a more definitive and specific response. If anyone has any suggestions for framing the request, or can tell me why I should not ask such a thing in this forum, I would appreciate that advice as well.

Thank you.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 04:20 AM

I had a similar question; I wanted recommendations for works to put on a CD as a stocking-stuffer level Christmas gift. The question was vaguely answered by AbyssWyrm, whom I did not recognize as an authority. I was hoping someone might give me a more definitive and specific response. If anyone has any suggestions for framing the request, or can tell me why I should not ask such a thing in this forum, I would appreciate that advice as well.

Thank you.


If this issue's still relevant, one thing you could do is consult the ormgas.com Top 100 list. The official OCR site might not track popularity, but the Ormgas list is as close as you can get to an official favorites list.
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 06:57 PM

Myyyyyyyy bad.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:49 PM

Some people might want to make a "my favorite music" thread just because they really want others to know about their musical tastes and just want others to experience songs that they are really passionate about. I always try to promote the music I listen to (look at my sig :P) because I feel like I listen to some of the best music known to man. And I hope to find even better music out there and, quite possibly, create better music.

But I must agree, however, that a "my favorites" thread can lead to pure disaster. I think these are the onle flamewar free forums I have ever seen. Probably well-moderated place.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:16 PM

I always try to promote the music I listen to (look at my sig :P)


That's such a silly way to promote music...

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 01:16 AM

Maybe so...I just like introducing new music to others to hear their opinions. Music is a fun topic of discussion for me. I've only got one friend who has a big appreciation for video game music though.
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Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:56 AM

No "favorite ..." threads....

unless they're relevant to Darkesword's interests :<
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Posted 01 December 2009 - 02:35 PM

I'm new on this site, and I like that moderators make such precautions against flame wars!
Peace to all of You, brothers- and sisters- remixers!!! :-D

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 08:55 PM

I just finished a project that I want to get some feedback on. Where do I post this? I'm not sure what WIP is either so if anyone can give me some guidance I'd appreciate it. Thanks! :)

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:40 PM

I just finished a project that I want to get some feedback on. Where do I post this? I'm not sure what WIP is either so if anyone can give me some guidance I'd appreciate it. Thanks! :)


WIP stands for work in progress. If what you made are video game music remixes, you can make a thread in the Workshop Feedback: Remixes forum. If it's original music, or remixes of music from a source other than video games, then you'd make the thread in the Workshop Feedback: Originals/Other forum.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:54 AM

If a favorite thread thread were created it would easily be this one.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:32 PM

This may be an unpopular sentiment and chances are I'll get flamed for it but whatever. I think this policy is the one thing that's kept OCR from being a truly great website that I come back to on a regular basis. I've been listening to remixes on this site off and on for somewhere around 10 years now but from day 1 I was confused as to why there wasn't a rating system of some sort for songs.

My reasoning is this: as of writing this there are 2250 posted songs. There is no way I'm going to be able to listen to them all or probably even close to half. I just don't have time and there are new ones posted every day. I also know that of those 2250 songs, there are a handful of truly amazing songs that I'm sure I'm missing out on hearing. If there was a rating system and I could at least see what the community consensus chose as the top x songs, I'd feel happy knowing I was at least able to hear a few of what most people consider the best.

That's not to say that I don't love what this site has put together. It is awesome! I just hope I haven't missed out on its best but probability says that I have.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:48 PM

2250 free tracks and a great community to learn music doesn't make ocr a truly great website? :P

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:00 PM

This may be an unpopular sentiment and chances are I'll get flamed for it but whatever. I think this policy is the one thing that's kept OCR from being a truly great website that I come back to on a regular basis. I've been listening to remixes on this site off and on for somewhere around 10 years now but from day 1 I was confused as to why there wasn't a rating system of some sort for songs.

My reasoning is this: as of writing this there are 2250 posted songs. There is no way I'm going to be able to listen to them all or probably even close to half. I just don't have time and there are new ones posted every day. I also know that of those 2250 songs, there are a handful of truly amazing songs that I'm sure I'm missing out on hearing. If there was a rating system and I could at least see what the community consensus chose as the top x songs, I'd feel happy knowing I was at least able to hear a few of what most people consider the best.

That's not to say that I don't love what this site has put together. It is awesome! I just hope I haven't missed out on its best but probability says that I have.


No flames intended here, so keep that in mind :-)


This policy is what keeps OCR's forums from turning into GameFAQs. Favorites threads are just spam threads; rarely does any real discussion come from them, and considering how many times a "favorite Final Fantasy/Mario/Sonic/Metroid/Castlevania/weapon/FPS/condom/nipple piercing/whatever" thread's been made in the past, it's a dead subject matter here. It really was beaten into the ground quite thoroughly. And if they're allowed in again, it'll all go back to a front page filled with "what's your favorite ______" threads.


When it comes to remixes and peoples' favorites, such threads become a ratings thread, something djp has always been against. Plus, VGMix had a tier system. The problem with it, was that unless a given remix was in the top two tiers ("Stuff of Legends" and "Awesome" if I recall), visitors simply weren't overly interested. They more often than not passed on songs that were rated as "Good", because they weren't "Stuff of Legends". And as if that weren't enough, there were good songs that got buried in the bottom tier because of a single review where the reviewer just happened to not like the song (and then no one else touched it as a result).

OCR already judges the songs that get on the site. They don't need to be further judged by the listeners, so that you wind up with songs no one listens to because a few people didn't like them. That would defeat the entire point of OCR's judging process.


As the old saying goes, you can't please everyone. But OCR's done just fine with these policies in place, and I can't imagine djp's going to reverse them anytime soon.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:57 AM

To add to that point, take a look at how things are currently run on Newgrounds.com. A public voting system is ripe for abuse - the people that gather the audience are generally the people that are willing to promote themselves by either spending every day ranking their own song as high as possible or by advertising their work endlessly - quite often even good tracks get buried behind the tracks that people spend the time to pimp.

Because OCR has a quality panel that every single track is run through, everything is roughly at the same tier as everything else (at least most of the music from 2006 on; the standards have risen steadily over the years), so there is no need for another voting system for the sake of quality control. You shouldn't be looking for the 'best' song, because every track that is on here is very well done, and there's no way that a crowd of people will be able to tell you what your favorite piece will be, since at this level of production it's entirely up to everyone's personal taste.

So yeah, the big 'problem' with the site is that everything is really well done. Not a problem that we mind having, I don't think. :wink:
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