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OCR01281 - Dragon Warrior IV 'The Grief of Aktemto'

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#1 djpretzel

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:47 AM

What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:56 AM

I'd say this is too flawy to be ocr quality and should have been debugged and improved significantly and resubmitted. Way too many simple mistakes and bleh performance. At the same time... man I loved this game. Memories...
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 07:01 AM

I'd say this is too flawy to be ocr quality and should have been debugged and improved significantly and resubmitted. Way too many simple mistakes and bleh performance. At the same time... man I loved this game. Memories...


I couldn't agree more. :?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 07:05 AM

I've been waiting a VERY long time for a Dragon Warrior IV piece to reach this site, long enough to break my long standing lurker status. I always felt it was an under appreciated RPG, and holds a very special place in my heart for being the very first RPG that I beat. I love this take on the tragic theme of Aktemto .I wasn't horribly impressed until 1:12, where the scope of the song just seemed to get bigger. Then I just wanted to die at 2:03 onwards, when the guitar comes in and takes the theme to the next logical level. However you manage to not loose the creeping hopelessness that the theme is suppose to show. If I have to complain at all, it'd be pre 1:12, where some of the acoustic guitar just seems somewhat off to me (perhaps it’s just that I'm not a huge fan of most acoustic tho). Overall while it may have some technical issues, I feel it captures and recreates the right feeling in the end.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 07:36 AM

I've been waiting a long time for a DW4 mix, a very long time. I really think this game has some of the best 8-bit video game music I've heard. And to have it translated here, makes me very happy.

Although I could be harsh...I do give kudos to the rawness of this song...and I'd like to add that I once (a long time ago) attempted to make a meager mix of this song...and failed miserably...So I appreciate what has been done.

I've always thought this is one of the saddest songs in video game history...and when I was downloading this, I was afraid that the original tune would be carrying this mix...But I can feel very powerul emotions and feelings coming from elsewhere, and that is good enough for me.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 01:20 PM

There is absolutely no reason this song should have been kept off the site. This is perhaps the single most emotional, well-orchestrated, and deeply involving song I've ever downloaded from OCR, and if it had been denied the chance to be posted, my opinion of the judges' panel would have decreased significantly.

Glad you made the right decision, judges. And glad you made this song, Ryan. Awesomeness.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:23 PM

While the orchestral part does just come in very abruptly and then disappears just as fast, the acoustic guitar is just oozing out emotions and I can really feel all that was put into the performance. Great to see a new Ryan8bit back on OCR with such an awesome song.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 04:50 PM

I'd say this is too flawy to be ocr quality and should have been debugged and improved significantly and resubmitted. Way too many simple mistakes and bleh performance. At the same time... man I loved this game. Memories...


And some things like that were said by the judges. What it seemed to come down to was whether or not production was more important than heart. I was never really trying to be a guitar virtuoso or to make it a spotless, flawless playing. Any of the delays in timing are mostly due to human emotion of playing. You don't typically get that with technical sequencing. I was looking for more of the natural live performance feel.

But thanks for the comments, everyone.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:01 PM

I'd say this is too flawy to be ocr quality and should have been debugged and improved significantly and resubmitted. Way too many simple mistakes and bleh performance. At the same time... man I loved this game. Memories...


And some things like that were said by the judges. What it seemed to come down to was whether or not production was more important than heart. I was never really trying to be a guitar virtuoso or to make it a spotless, flawless playing. Any of the delays in timing are mostly due to human emotion of playing. You don't typically get that with technical sequencing. I was looking for more of the natural live performance feel.

But thanks for the comments, everyone.


Songs that get on ocr go on here forever.I don't think its justifyable to post a flawed song when it could be retooled and resubmitted. No justification whatsoever. Thats the problem here.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:02 PM

It was a difficult decision. I would have liked to hear a rerecording because it frankly would have been entirely possible to do a take without slips without losing the desired emotion.

however we didnt get a rerecording, and the mix DOES have lots of expression and dynamics that so many remixes lack. A close call, but certainly an enjoyable track.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:20 PM

The duo acoustic playing in the beginning was really nice. But the left channel one which strums the chords really shouldn't use the pick. I couldn't hear the chords and just the picking sound since it was played rather lightly. The ending felt really sudden. Felt like "oh it ended already?"

This is really emotional, and I can really feel it. The arrangement is awesome. The electric guitar recording could be done a bit better. It doesn't sound too bad tho. Good enough for me.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:39 PM

I'd say this is too flawy to be ocr quality and should have been debugged and improved significantly and resubmitted. Way too many simple mistakes and bleh performance. At the same time... man I loved this game. Memories...


And some things like that were said by the judges. What it seemed to come down to was whether or not production was more important than heart. I was never really trying to be a guitar virtuoso or to make it a spotless, flawless playing. Any of the delays in timing are mostly due to human emotion of playing. You don't typically get that with technical sequencing. I was looking for more of the natural live performance feel.

But thanks for the comments, everyone.


Songs that get on ocr go on here forever.I don't think its justifyable to post a flawed song when it could be retooled and resubmitted. No justification whatsoever. Thats the problem here.


Now I see errors in this remix. The decision really was difficult: 6 "YES" / 5 "NO".

That is pleasant to the ears.But the errors justify an improvement in the work.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 08:09 PM

This song is clearly not the smoothest OCReMix ever, but its got that certain intangible something that most songs lack. In fact, after the first 36 seconds or so, the mix really hits its own stride. I really like this song, and I feel that it makes OCR a better site with it. Sometimes not being perfect is the best scenario. Everythings got its flaws, and if done well enough flaws can be the best part of something. This song simply has "it"

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:18 PM

Songs that get on ocr go on here forever.I don't think its justifyable to post a flawed song when it could be retooled and resubmitted. No justification whatsoever. Thats the problem here.


This song was made to the best of my ability. I did try improving it, but found any changes I made insignificant. I wouldn't have submitted it here if I thought I could marginally improve it (hence why all my releases are on vgmix).

I personally think the flaws are minimal and that the emotion and general arrangement far outweigh any errors/inability on that side. And judging something solely on a technical basis without acknowledging the other elements seems a bit off to me. Yes, technical know how is a must, and I think I can say that this is higher on a production scale than most live performance work. But production is not the end-all be-all of a song. I'd rather hear something with a great arrangement regardless of the production over something very polished but uninspired.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 01:45 AM

I actually thought the Orchestra bled fairly well into the electric guitar parts, though its entrance was a little abrupt for me. Beyond that, a nice piece.. nothing spectacular, but pleasant.

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 01:56 AM

God this one hurt. The begining sounds like he just picked up the music and recorded his first time playing it...The orchestral piece didnt help either.
A good 2/3 of this song was not up to standards in my opinion. I guess the only saving grace (if you could call it that) this song had was when the precussion started in with the electric guitar. The after about a minute of that it went right back to the acustic. Now were back at square one. Most of the time I'm with the judges on their decisions, but how could they overlook 2/3 of the song. I guess everyone has their off days. Even the judges

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 03:39 AM

It's alot like his Calming the Angry Seas (At first)
I love it!

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 03:59 AM

I guess everyone has their off days. Even the judges


Or perhaps your opinion is just different than theirs. There's a difference. Music taste is not factual or set in stone. It's all very very subjective.

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 04:12 AM

Personally, I feel that this song sounds quite good, with a raw, live quality that make the little errors forgivable. a great 8bit track. Good stuff, man.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 10:32 AM

I guess I'm blessed that my ears aren't sensitive by any means. Aside from a somewhat grating guitar, I didn't notice anything wrong with this. Ignorance is bliss, as they say, and this truly is bliss.

Great work, Ryan, and my condolences.





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