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#1 djpretzel

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:26 AM

What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:46 AM

This remix is a BORE. I kept wondering when it would actually start, but it never got going.

And I'm not feeling the 'perfect interval' djp describes, though I'm familiar with the feeling. The "oh-eh, oh-eh" vocals sound like crap too.

It's not all bad--I can feel the mood the mix was going for (though it didn't quite reach it for me), and the production sounds great.

Just lacks energy, dynamic.

5/10

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:51 AM

Gorgeous remix covering difficult source material. The use of in game music, vocals, and synths is cohesive, I can't see how this would be construed by any as a boderline case (I can see some people rushing to compare this to other remixes with the originals "rapped over"). Of course, the highlight of the mix is her voice. The fact that she inmitated the synth choir from the game I simply find amazing.

For qualms, I think a slightly less buzzy synth could have been used to carry the harmony. Some warm pads would have been better intergrated into the mix. And although djpretzel suggests the lack of climax is natural in a piece like this, I really have to disagree. A slight upping in intensity, even if it was subtle, would have done wonders for the mix. I also think a little bit more could be done with the percussion, but that's probably just my mind subconciously forcing comparison's to "Frame of Mind", with which this mix holds some similarities.

Wonderful mix.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:01 AM

I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:07 AM

I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.


Thank you for being meaninglessly pretentious while claiming that the "gimmick" lyrics were needlessly pretentious.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:14 AM

I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.


Thank you for being meaninglessly pretentious while claiming that the "gimmick" lyrics were needlessly pretentious.



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Anyways, cool song. I'm liking the vibes this one gives me. Maybe I just am tooo chiiiiilllllllllllll.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:19 AM

Great soundscape, it was a good demo of your vocal skills as you said and a lush sonic enviroment to boot. However, I don't think there was enough drama involved here to warrant a foreground song persay, but somehow I doubt that was your aim. Nice job.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:28 AM

excellence all around! :nicework:
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 08:18 AM

I hate to be so critical since I have no creative talent myself, but it really irritates me that the lyrics are in Japanese even though that is not native to the performer. It's as if it's supposed to be cooler just because it's in Japanese. I think the lyrics are actually quite lame, but being sung in Japanese is supposed to make it sound amazing and deep somehow. Essentially, there doesn't seem to be a good justifiable reason to sing it in Japanese, making it more like a gimmick in my opinion.

Disregarding the lyrics and their tranlsation, I like the singing and the way it works with the original source. It sounds very nice. I just wish the writing was better.


While I am often inclined to agree with this sort of thing, the Japanese was entirely justifiable in this case. This song was designed for and by Western ears (presumably the vast majority of the visitors to OCR are Western). When you listen to something in a foreign language, the mind does not attempt to realize each word and acertain its meaning. Thus, by using Japanese in this track, she made the voice layer something warm and ambient; this ambience would have been impossible with an English language track.

I didn't read the translated lyrics, nor do I care what they say. This song sounds great, and the remixer is pretty damned talented. Job well done.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 12:19 PM

As mentioned; the song does have a terrific soundscape. The vision of the artist writing the background music is great -- the sounds are inventive and they come together as a whole pretty well. I have not much complaints about the Japanese pronounciation, although they're not very clear, they work. Could be better, though.. if the articulation of the words were clearer.

The "hoo hoo hah hah" vocals at 3:30 are slightly off tune, distracted me for a tad.

My main complaint about this song is how the voice doesn't "ride" crystal clear above the background music. Now, maybe it's just my half-functional ear-phones, when I replace them later this week I'll know for sure. But for now it seems like the vocals are just mixing around with the background music: I can't hear the singer's voice distinctly. [edit: I verified this abit later -- the balance is FINE. Sorry for the blooper.]

Now that I hear the voice clearer (see edit above), I have to comment about the voice.. the Japanese doesn't sound too forced, but it quite obviously comes across as a non-native speaker of the language singing it. There are a -few- parts which I think the crescendo/decrescendo in the singing is too exaggerated; in band we used to call that "swelling". It's pretty distasteful when it's not used well; but it only happened once in this song.

So basically - to the singer - I like your voice. You can sing, but cut on the swelling (for example, "kashite soshite" at 1:55) and if you're going to do more Japanese tracks, work harder on making it sound more natural. In general, I likes.

Song doesn't change much in mood/tempo, which could give one the impression that it's "flat"..

Well, good work. Keep trying.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 12:58 PM

Been listening to this since it came around in the WIP forums, and seen its many revisions. This is probably the best version out of the lot.

It's not as dark as I'd of liked (like the source track) but hey, that's what this site is all about, reinterpreting the originals differently, and it does that pretty well, and uniquely too.

It's a keeper.
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the bass is really ugly, and the drums aint exactly aria giovanni either.


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Posted 22 March 2005 - 02:22 PM

All the samples from the temple itself make the mix for me. The only thing that kind of throws it, is the usage of Garageband loops. Not that there;s anything wrong with that, but I've gone through those loops and used them in short demo songs whilst trying out Garageband's power. I've heard those loops so often, that hearing them in this song was a distraction for me. Nothing you did wrong at all, and otherwise, sounds good.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 03:00 PM

It's amazing the hidden talent within these folks.

And I ain't too fussy on the music that was selected, since it uses the music from the Forest Temple.

It was a difficult one to do. It's not perfect, but it is OCR material. But it was really really difficult.

Kudos for the effort!
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 03:18 PM

Truely captured the feelings of the original for me. The lyrics worked well. Fantastic job.
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 04:22 PM

bIzArRe, but is a very good ReMix. Japanese voices as well.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 05:41 PM

The music itself sounds good, but I'm afraid I also didn't like the Japanese, although I really tried to. It just didn't sound natural. And mind you, I listened before I read any descriptions, so it's not like I was expecting it or anything

Oh but still the song itself is excellent and the occasional vocal chantings sound great

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:34 PM

Easily one of the best remixes Ive heard in a very long time.

I loved it, I cant think of any faults, it all blends together in a very nice way and I like the voices, its very Macross'ish'

Its very welcome in my WinAmp collection
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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:57 PM

Fantastic mix of one of the most underappreciated tunes in Zelda history. Now can we get a remix of "The Final Labyrinth" from Zelda 1? :)

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:04 PM

Now this is impressive. I've been going through the Ocarina of Time soundtrack for a project I'm working on, and I always thought the Forest Temple music was cool, but pretty much unusable for a remix. Damn, was I wrong.

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:06 PM

Yes!

I'm so glad to see this made it onto the site. I was one of the people suggesting little tweaks here and there while this was still a work in progress. The last WIP version of this I have still had a tiny little... coherance problem at the very end, in which I told you that I thought the peice needed to return to the beginning a bit more in order to suggest completion, and while you didn't do that exactly as I suggested, by layering it behind the final verse, you achieved that completion perfectly without unduely extending the mix. Awesome!

As I've said numerous times in your WIP thread, your voice is beautiful, the lyrics sublime. The alternating sections between lovely and creepy are fantastic. The beginning in particular works wonderfully well, with the non-lyrical vocals.

I particularly love the way that your voice placed over top the creepy little motif latter on in the piece gives it a little... playful feeling. Making light of something that was intended for darkness. It's a wonderful little feeling for me. I love it.

Wonderful stuff. I'm thrilled to have seen this make it.

Well done indeed!
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