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#1 GarretGraves

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

For over a year or so now I've owned a Line 6 Spider IV 120 guitar amp and I've miked it with an sm57 and a sennheiser 421 on each 12" cone with the 421 dead center on it's cone and the 57 on axis just to the right of the center of it's cone. Along with EQ (in and out of the box between my amp, mixer and Waves EQ plug-in) I've tweaked the living shit outta my sound.

Of course, the longer you've been recording over the years the more you notice certain things about your sound that you don't like.

For instance, I play with some heavy distortion and there's this staticky sound that keeps annoying the crap outta me and it seems to originate between 4k and 8k. I've tried eliminating it by peaking the Q and dropping the gain around that point, but it takes away a particular presence. I tried adjusting all my EQ's or even eliminating the use of some or all of them. I've tried repostioning the mics on different parts of their cones and going off and on axis for each. For the life of me I just cannot seem to find a great, warm timbre in this thing.

My conclusion is that I've raised my standard for what I'm suppose to sound like and require better gear. Line 6 has givin' me a great ride, but i've noticed that I haven't grown much between my Gearbox and the Spider IV. Both are Line 6 gear. And the sounds they provide are just no longer what I'm into.

Now, before I go crazy and spend over 3000 american dollars on a JVM or a Mark V amp/stack, I wanna find a more cheaper solution. So I went shopping online and discovered the Boss GT-10 effects processor and the Boss ME-70. Heard some demos of each and they sound pretty good. But I'm curious to hear if there are any other recommended brands or other solutions to my ego problem. Thoughts?

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

I use the Boss GT-10 and it works for me.
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 04:58 PM

Best thing to do is grab your guitar and head to a music store that has a lot of different options available. Plug your guitar in and test each one out.

I used a Digitech RP200 for years and loved it's versatility, but I've recently switched to using Guitar Rig.

Just know that you're not going to find a magic pedal that gives you the tone a JVM or MesaBoogie amp is going to give you.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:29 PM

I used a Digitech RP200 for years and loved it's versatility, but I've recently switched to using Guitar Rig.

Just know that you're not going to find a magic pedal that gives you the tone a JVM or MesaBoogie amp is going to give you.


I demoed guitar rig without the hardware it comes with and I had huge latency issues. I'm assuming it's BECAUSE i didnt have the hardware it comes with. Although I have upgraded immensely since then so maybe it might be a viable solution.

And yeah I figured there's no such thing as magic in this area of the music world and some pedal wouldn't give me the same quality as a JVM or Mark V. But I'm sure I can find better than what I've got for a more affordable price.

SO far the GT-10 is winning me out. But not jumping to anything just yet.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

The Rig Kontrol isn't an audio interface, and doesn't replace having a low-latency audio interface. With a proper interface, you'll have no problem using it live; I do this with my keyboard rig (though, to be fair, I'm using electric pianos in Kontakt, not a hardware EP running through my laptop for effects).

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:01 PM

Latency is an issue of your sound interface, not the software. :nicework:

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:14 PM

The Rig Kontrol isn't an audio interface, and doesn't replace having a low-latency audio interface. With a proper interface, you'll have no problem using it live; I do this with my keyboard rig (though, to be fair, I'm using electric pianos in Kontakt, not a hardware EP running through my laptop for effects).


Yeah I didn't have my Mackie 820i or maxed out RAM back then. The machine I have now is probably 10 times more powerful.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:27 PM

http://co.native-ins....php?id=gr4demo

Wouldn't hurt to grab the demo and try it out.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:32 PM

Tried it. It has some awesome clean sounds and effects. but when it comes to distortion, it feels weak. and when I try to bump the gain it gets too mooshy. however, if u use this for metal on a regular basis and have a sample of a preset you use then i'd love to hear it. cause with what i just went through it feels like it doesnt make the cut. yet i hear about others raving about guitar rig so i'd like to be proven wrong here.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 12:09 AM

Tried it. It has some awesome clean sounds and effects. but when it comes to distortion, it feels weak. and when I try to bump the gain it gets too mooshy. however, if u use this for metal on a regular basis and have a sample of a preset you use then i'd love to hear it. cause with what i just went through it feels like it doesnt make the cut. yet i hear about others raving about guitar rig so i'd like to be proven wrong here.



Try putting a Skreamer pedal then a Van51 amp with control room pro on it.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:05 AM

Tried that. I've been toying with this thing for hours. It seems the more I tweak the more of a mess I make and I start all over. And the cycle continues.

I don't understand how you get tones like this:



clearly you can get a tone like this with the rig. This guy even offers his tone for free but i can't import it without buying the god damn thing! And no I don't need that tone EXACTLY but that quality would be nice.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:13 AM

Make sure your gain settings are correct. Having a little too much gain will end up making the whole thing sound like buzzy mush. That's the issue with amp sims.

If the Skreamer doesn't give you the results you desire, try the Cat before a Van51 with a Van51 cab (mostly mic B). Turn down the treble on the Van 51, up the distortion and filter on the cat.

You can get brighter, metallic hard/heavy rock sounds like that. Turn the mids a bit on the amp and boost the bass.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:26 AM

http://www.darangen....c/GuitarRig.mp3

That's my latest metal tone which is basically using a blend of a few presets that come with Guitar Rig 4 (haven't upgraded to 5 yet).

The guitar you're using will play a part in how your tone is coming out too, I mainly use Ibanez guitars. This one I used an Ibanez SZ320, tuned down to B.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 05:56 AM

That sounds great!

Well, it got better.

http://soundcloud.co...adigm/grig-demo

A little ways through I realized i needed more gain. But before I could adjust it, it shut down because it was in DEMO mode. Time ran out. Damnit! Now I gotta start over. I should wrote this shit down.

I'd also like to note that My guitar is in great shape. I got a liquifire and crunch lab pickup setup and the action and tonation are spot on. So Im pretty sure my axe aint the prob.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:15 AM

I got a liquifire and crunch lab pickup setup and the action and tonation are spot on.


Those are FUCKING GREAT!

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:02 PM

That's sounding good IMO!

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:22 PM

The big reason I went with guitar rig in the long run is because I can go back and change the sound later on if it ends up needing tweaking without having to re-record the track. Since you just record the straight guitar signal into your DAW you can change settings like any other plugin.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:45 PM

The big reason I went with guitar rig in the long run is because I can go back and change the sound later on if it ends up needing tweaking without having to re-record the track. Since you just record the straight guitar signal into your DAW you can change settings like any other plugin.


Really? Cause I have Guitar Rig in pro tools setup on an instrument track and sending it through a bus to a couple audio tracks and playing two instances of the riff and panning left and right. SO Im recording audio. I can still change the sound post-print?

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:53 PM

Really? Cause I have Guitar Rig in pro tools setup on an instrument track and sending it through a bus to a couple audio tracks and playing two instances of the riff and panning left and right. SO Im recording audio. I can still change the sound post-print?


Depends on your recording method. DAW's usually just record the audio coming INTO the track (not what comes out) so all of the effects are still processed in real-time during playback.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:49 AM

Yeah, like if I turn off guitar rig all you'd hear is the clean direct-in guitar sound.

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