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PRC283 - Results - Meeting the Deadline of Undeadline (Undeadline)

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The People's Remix Competition 283

PRCv11-23

Hello everyone and welcome to the People's Remix Competition!

Last round Jorito collected almost all first places, which was enough to win of course. Meits claimed second place. In total 5 songs appeared.

Source:

And the great phrophet Meits spoke, in all his wisdom: "There needs to be MSX music around".

So I picked another source from my/our MSX roots, Undeadline. A great (and difficult) game with great music that could use some remixes!

MIDI I just created from an abandoned cover I worked on a few years back:

http://www.jorito.net/files/undeadline_forest.mid

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Source: Undeadline (MSX) - Forest

MIDI or check the Vgmusic link in the quote above.

Game Wikipedia

No wikipedia link, but this link also has some information about the game.

ThaSauce link: Click here to submit

To submit a song at the compo page a ThaSauce account is required.

If anyone has problems with registering or uploading the song to ThaSauce, please upload the song somewhere else and post a download link in the thread. I recommend Soundcloud, don't forget to allow downloads to enable me to upload the song at ThaSauce.

To register and submit, do the following.

  1. Click the ThaSauce link.
  2. Click the 'You are not logged in' button in the upper right.
  3. Click on 'register' (at the bottom).
  4. Read the terms and click 'I agree to these terms'. If you don't agree with them, upload the song somewhere else and post a download link as mentioned above (by doing that, you allow me to upload the song at ThaSauce.
  5. Continue the process by filling in your information.
  6. A confirmation mail will be send. There might be some issues with it (meaning that you don't get it), if that is the case, upload the song somewhere else as described above.
  7. Login with your username and password, go to the mentioned page and submit the song. If you want submit two or more songs you can create multiple ThaSauce accounts or upload the song somewhere else and post the download link.

GOOD LUCK!

PRC instructions

  1. Limitations at ThaSauce require your entry to be 20 MB or less in size. Length for length's sake and MIDI rips are not allowed (only as Bonus Mixes). If anyone has problems with uploading songs to ThaSauce let me know (in this thread) and post a download link to your song in this thread (so I can upload it to ThaSauce).
  2. Entries must be posted in the ThaSauce link by Monday November 10th 2014 at 10:59 am ThaSauce time (18:00 UTC, 19:00 GMT): check the ThaSauce page for the exact time left.
  3. You may enter as many mixes as you like and work with as many people as you like on each mix. You are free to create a second ThaSauce account for that, it's needed to be able to upload a second remix. You can also upload it somewhere else and put a download link in this thread
  4. Do not make qualitative comments on an entry until the results of the vote have been posted in this thread.
  5. Mixers cannot vote for themselves but if they vote they recieve a free first place vote added onto their score.
  6. The winner of this round may select the source for PRC284.
  7. You can find the full rules list at this page as well.

For those interested, I did sort of a mix (using Automixing of Deckadance) of several (mainly dance) PRC tracks of the past 10 years (mainly tracks in season 1-5). More information, and the mix of course, can be found at this Soundcloud link!

Doulifee's PRC Archives! For information about the previous contests.

PRC ThaSauce Home Page!

Edited by Bundeslang

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I always wanted to know.

How do you make the midis ? Painfully by ear and hand?

or do you isolate every track and use a program to identify and export ?

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I always wanted to know.

How do you make the midis ? Painfully by ear and hand?

or do you isolate every track and use a program to identify and export ?

Mostly the first, by ear. Fortunately this song isn't that complex to me, the instruments clearly separated and no quick runs that make it hard to pick out the notes. Then again, I have been doing this by ears for years, so I had a lot of praxtice and back then there also were no good tools to use.

Nowadays for quick passages or complex songs I might also grab an emulator and have it create wav files for every individual track. These tracks can then be loaded in an audio editor and if needed be slowed down to easily pick out the notes.

But yeah, mostly by ear, it's just a matter of doing it and practicing.

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Mostly the first, by ear. Fortunately this song isn't that complex to me, the instruments clearly separated and no quick runs that make it hard to pick out the notes. Then again, I have been doing this by ears for years, so I had a lot of praxtice and back then there also were no good tools to use.

Nowadays for quick passages or complex songs I might also grab an emulator and have it create wav files for every individual track. These tracks can then be loaded in an audio editor and if needed be slowed down to easily pick out the notes.

But yeah, mostly by ear, it's just a matter of doing it and practicing.

All I read is that midi's are done magically. XD

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All I read is that midi's are done magically. XD

I know I'm quite good at it, but calling it magic is maybe pushing it a bit ;)

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Mostly the first, by ear. Fortunately this song isn't that complex to me, the instruments clearly separated and no quick runs that make it hard to pick out the notes. Then again, I have been doing this by ears for years, so I had a lot of praxtice and back then there also were no good tools to use.

Nowadays for quick passages or complex songs I might also grab an emulator and have it create wav files for every individual track. These tracks can then be loaded in an audio editor and if needed be slowed down to easily pick out the notes.

But yeah, mostly by ear, it's just a matter of doing it and practicing.

I only have 2 contributions to the vgmusic midi list (little samson), and they were fairly hard to do for me. I have zero formal music training so my ability to identify notes by ear is quite lacking. I used a mix of listening by ear, playing along on my keyboard, and as you said, slowing down the original source.

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I have zero formal music training so my ability to identify notes by ear is quite lacking. I used a mix of listening by ear, playing along on my keyboard, and as you said, slowing down the original source.

I also have zero formal music training, I'm 100% self taught (that's also what makes it fun I guess!). Still, back when I was young (*grin*) I was making a lot of music with trackers. And of course creating game music covers back then was also a cool thing to do, but unfortunately the only real way to do it was by ear, or by recording it to tape and then continuously play, pause and rewind.

But I think I'm quite good at it now, so yeah, I think just doing it really is the way to learn it. I usually start with the melody, as that one is easiest to hear and to find. After that the chords and finally the bass.

And of course nowadays I don't make 1:1 covers, so that gives more freedom and flexibility and in general makes transcribing easier. You can get away with a somewhat accurate lead line and a chord progression that's more or less on par.

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I also have zero formal music training, I'm 100% self taught (that's also what makes it fun I guess!). Still, back when I was young (*grin*) I was making a lot of music with trackers. And of course creating game music covers back then was also a cool thing to do, but unfortunately the only real way to do it was by ear, or by recording it to tape and then continuously play, pause and rewind.

But I think I'm quite good at it now, so yeah, I think just doing it really is the way to learn it. I usually start with the melody, as that one is easiest to hear and to find. After that the chords and finally the bass.

And of course nowadays I don't make 1:1 covers, so that gives more freedom and flexibility and in general makes transcribing easier. You can get away with a somewhat accurate lead line and a chord progression that's more or less on par.

Weird, I prefer to start with the bass because its most likely static and most of the time represents the root of the chord, hence can lead to identifying the scale. But hey whatever works!

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Making a MIDI yourself is a bit of work, but then you are free to choose whatever song you want :). When I was making my pick for PRC282 and was looking for existing MIDI files, the choices turned out to be more limited than I had thought.

I remember there used to be quite a lot more MIDIs of MSX games, but a lot of sites collecting and hosting them have shut down and the MIDI files were lost along with them. Two of the three MIDI files I provided for the PRC282 Illusion Theme were recovered from the archive.org way-back machine. Also many MIDI arrangements are too far from the original to be usable. So next time (I’m optimistic ;p) I think I’ll also have to bite the bullet and make one myself.

Though, I just received a MIDI-PAC today, which converts MSX YM2413 (OPLL) music to MIDI, that would be quite helpful there I imagine :). It would be cool if emulators implemented similar functionality.

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Weird, I prefer to start with the bass because its most likely static and most of the time represents the root of the chord, hence can lead to identifying the scale. But hey whatever works!

Yeah, same here. I find that exact chords are harder to pinpoint than simply notes on one bass line.

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it's cool if i submit it to OCR afterwards right?

Yes, absolutely. I've got two of my previous PRC tunes posted (reworked, of course) and Sir_NutS just had a Mirror's Edge piece from PRC posted.

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well my guitar playing is still not production worthy so I won't make an actual mix, but if you like this song, you can enjoy the doom metal riffiness below:

http://www.michaellochlann.net/music/unDooDoo.mp3

i like that riff so maybe i'll return to this in 2 years when i am good at playing. whee.

I tried to insert that riff into a quick remake project, but unfortunately the tempo wasn't solid and I was too lazy to do something about it.

In stead I started working on a bonus entry for this track (who said you can't turn it into DnB?). I only hope that there will be some entries; doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm so far.

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I'm also taking the lead first because that's easier to pinpoint... Low notes are harder to pick than the higher ones... When the lead is found out, the bass is easy to find...

Working on a rendition of this track, again on the pre-historic way: On my MSX, connected to some synths, recording each track seperately and mixing them in a multi tracker... Choosing instruments is a bit hard since I've to keep the whole track and instrumentselection in my head... Can't just probe around since I've to record first... Sometimes a found instrument sounds great when recording, but when adding it to the mix it sounds horrible... Another 10 minutes of my life lost ;)

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Submitted a bonus track. Not 100% satisfied with it yet, but don't have time before the deadline to work on it anyway, so yeah.

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Submitted a bonus track. Not 100% satisfied with it yet, but don't have time before the deadline to work on it anyway, so yeah.

what work is truly 100 % finish am I right!?

-Other then my attempt at humor-

just submitted and hopefully they're other late bloomers as well, and good luck to ya if u do participate. :mrgreen:

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I just have to "master" (haha, yeah of course), and then I upload too.

Did something completely out of my comfort zone for practice, I hope it turns out ok.

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Quite late... Can't quite see I met the deadline and am quite in a hurry... Forgot my Thasouce credentials so here is just a link for someone to please upload it :)

http://meits.nl/files/index.php?dir=msx/&file=Meits%20_%20Undead%20Forest.mp3

Used one MSX turbo R with a MIDI PAC to play my tracked notes one by one track to my synths (Roland Fantom XR and Roland JV 1080 + vocal board).

Played my bass guitar for the bass line (never did that before as I'm quite a novice at that).

Multi tracked it in Vegas.

Have fun listening to it...

Meits

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Quite late... Can't quite see I met the deadline and am quite in a hurry... Forgot my Thasouce credentials so here is just a link for someone to please upload it :)

Yes, you made the deadline with one hour to spare!

Great to see a rather decent participation for this obscure game/song :)

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