Nase Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 found it on kvr, too good not to share. spot on in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timaeus222 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I actually do like searching for the right tone that I hear in my head. I know it won't always end up like it sounds in my head, but it usually ends up close for me, at least in terms of the overall mood, maybe rhythm, but definitely mood. Won't be quite matching. But that's how Art works; blind intuition next to "fixed" rules (which are more like objective conventions for how things are supposed to be, like paint in a painting) that eventually evolves into something that the artist loves based on how the conception keeps developing itself. The artist isn't necessarily the slave to it, but he loves what comes out and keeps it going. And yeah, context does matter. Of course. Without context, a sound is only good because of its tonal qualities or because it sounds cool in general, rather than how it enhances a piece overall. I wouldn't call tone a 'lie' though... it makes it sound bad to preemptively like a NEAT tone because of how neat it is and how it's just the way it is (). I think it's more like, something that is incomplete on its own and needs context for it to be fully realized as a tangible role in a musical piece. Or maybe he's actually saying that in his own definition of what a 'lie' is for him in this case (probably the case of a tone 'tricking' us into thinking it's good or bad but then potentially makes us feel drastically different about it in context). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissidia Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The impression I got was how being almost obsessed with getting a certain tone isn't going to be something amazing for you. The tone you are going for might suit the music you make, but it won't make the music just because of the tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelCityOutlaw Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Man...I know a guy who really needs to see this video. I know this makes me sound like a pretentious douche, but it's been my experience that generally (and I've been one of these people) guitar players who are so obsessed with "tone" are generally not very good guitarists. Well, maybe that's going too far - "inexperienced" might be a better term? It's like this other guitarist I jam with sometimes. It's hard as hell to write music with him because he is so obsessed with the "tone" of everything that he doesn't even stop to consider whether or not what he's composed is actually good. He has tons of great gear, more than I could ever afford, but he doesn't really know how to use it. Last time I saw him, he was spinning the dial on this expensive amp-modeling unit he has. He complained about just about every sound and I'm sitting there like "They all sounded pretty good and usable to me..." I know plenty of n00bs (and some non-n00bz even) who swear by tube amps, but their own recordings with said amps are garbage. What most guitar players who are convinced that you have to have X kind of guitar and amp don't realize, is that the promotional recordings companies like Mesa, Engl, etc. make sound as good as they do because they were expertly composed, performed, recorded, mixed and mastered. You don't just plug in and get that kind of professional, double-tracked sound. However, companies of course don't market it that way. It sounds good because "it's all tube!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nase Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) i think the thing here is, this vid shouldn't discourage anyone from having fun while shaping sounds. it's for people who obsess over it when they really would or should rather be making music...? even i'm like that sometimes. take everything with a grain of salt. the video highlights the super contextual nature of tone really well imo. it's that alchemy part of arranging that's magical to me - pile up 5 shitty sounds and somehow get a magical rainbow shower. sometimes anyway. in a way that's "tone" as well, just the tone of the whole piece. idk timmy, maybe you need a little experience on electric guitar to understand the 'tone' can of worms. ehh, maybe it's similar to people swearing by vintage analogue synths...while using lots of adjectives like "creamy" and "lush" to describe their preferred tone. Edited April 1, 2015 by Nase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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