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HELP NEEDED! ReMix Tagging Project! (Genres, Moods, Instrumentation, etc.)

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WE FINALLY DOIN’ IT!

We need your help to add genre, mood, instrumentation and other tags to the OCR database.

The full list of terms.

The minimum of what we need for every ReMix is:

  • Primary Genre (e.g. funk, metal, rap, EDM, jazz)
  • Secondary Genres (when applicable)
  • 1+ Mood (e.g. aggressive, goofy, romantic, sad)
  • 2+ Instrumentation (e.g. acoustic-guitar, chiptune, piano, singing)
Additional tag types we want to apply whenever possible:
  • Specific Arrangement aspects (e.g. # of instruments, minimalist, extended soloing)
  • Effects (e.g. distortion, glitching, lo-fi, vocoder)
  • Origin (e.g. collaboration, created for a compo)
  • Live production aspects (e.g. live ensemble, live recording, use of live instruments)
  • Regional influence (e.g. Celtic, Japanese, world)
  • Time (e.g. tempo, long or short duration, time signature)
  • Usage (e.g. workout, winter/holiday, Halloween, meditation)
This is a serious project, so you need to have a good understanding of what the tags mean and also have a good ear for labeling genres and identifying instruments and moods. We want to build an accurate library of tags for the remixes on the site.

If you’re interested and you think you have what it takes, let us know right here in this thread and we’ll assign you a block of ReMixes to work on and PM you our tagging submission form where you can enter the data.

THANKS!

 

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Tagging Assignments

  • [open] - OCR00291 through OCR00320
  • SystemsReady - OCR00321 through OCR00340
  • Olarin - OCR00341 through OCR00360
  • Jean Of mArc - OCR00361 through OCR00380
  • timaeus222 - OCR00401 through OCR00420
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Can we add more tags to the list?

No! We don't plan on adding many other tags, but if a good case is made for something we've overlooked, we may add more.

Note on genres:

We're not trying to add tags for every subgenre under the sun. We're going for pretty broad descriptions. We don't need "tribal Moombahcore chillwave"; EDM works just fine in most of those cases. :lol:

Note on using "epic" for mood:

We're not using "epic" as a synonym for awesome/amazing/yoooooooooooooo. We're using it to describe ReMixes that are grand, heroic, or anthemic in scope/tone, which isn't limited to orchestral and rock pieces.

Note on lyrics and duration:

Larry has already handled lyric-specific tags (original, existing, explicit) for all lyrical ReMixes, and duration tags for long and short mixes.

 

Problems?!

If you’re working on tagging your batch of ReMixes and run into an issue where something isn’t clear, then post here and let us know and we can help you.

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I'd love to help with this, if I may :)

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ohoho i love being pedantic with this sort of thing, though currently is a bad time for me to sort through these things en masse

 

can I just tag my own remixes, or would that mess with the block assignment or something?

 

also, along with vocoding, you should probably include autotune/melodyne 

 

edit: "tracker" under instrumentation..? are you talking about like Impulse Tracker / the thing Mazedude uses?

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ohoho i love being pedantic with this sort of thing, though currently is a bad time for me to sort through these things en masse

 

can I just tag my own remixes, or would that mess with the block assignment or something?

 

also, along with vocoding, you should probably include autotune/melodyne 

 

edit: "tracker" under instrumentation..? are you talking about like Impulse Tracker / the thing Mazedude uses?

 

RE: being pedantic, we know there's a LOT of room for that here, but we've been over this list dozens of times and feel like it's at a pretty good place. If we keep adding going forward, we won't know which mixes were analyzed before or after a new tag was added, etc.

 

I defer to Larry as to whether you can proceed with tagging your own mixes - I don't see a problem, personally, BUT when the whole project is done we ARE going to reach out to artists to verify/comment on what we've got for their mixes, so there will be a second chance for EVERYONE to review.

 

Auto-tune is a little tricky because of the dual usage - when applied subtly, the effect can be difficult to notice, and is employed in this fashion quite often. Would that still count, or are we only talking about T-Pain? I'd guess the latter...

 

"tracker" is intended to convey a certain instrumentation aesthetic that involves lower-fi samples, often quirky & being employed outside their natural range, etc.

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I defer to Larry as to whether you can proceed with tagging your own mixes - I don't see a problem, personally, BUT when the whole project is done we ARE going to reach out to artists to verify/comment on what we've got for their mixes, so there will be a second chance for EVERYONE to review.

Yeah, original artists don't need any permission to provide their own tags, then can just ask us for the submission link and submit their information at any time.

Like djp said, we'll run everything by artists later on for another verification step as well.

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I'll spring for this. :) I know many electronic genres and can parse electronic tracks beyond simply slapping an "EDM" label on them.

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Can we add more tags to the list?

No! We don't plan on adding many other tags, but if a good case is made for something we've overlooked, we may add more.

Note on genres:

We're not trying to add tags for every subgenre under the sun. We're going for pretty broad descriptions. We don't need "tribal Moombahcore chillwave"; EDM works just fine in most of those cases. :lol:

 

^ that

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Re: genre tags. You're missing Drum & Bass (like Cave Story: "The Unbroken" by Nutritious) and Trap (like that Ice Cap remix you posted a few weeks ago).

 

Drum & Bass is too fast to be posted as Dubstep and too percussion-heavy to be house, and has a very, very strong scene. Pendulum is the most well-known DnB group.

 

Trap is too slow to be hip-hop and tends to use an 808 drum hit, with a very specific beat pattern. It may or may not have vocals.

 

House can be elaborated upon: 4/4 time or similar (Knife Party's Rage Valley is in 12/8), four straight beats every measure, 128 BPM.

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Trap is too slow to be hip-hop and tends to use an 808 drum hit, with a very specific beat pattern. It may or may not have vocals.

 

We actually added Trap recently, so we need to add it into that list.

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I'm the sort of person who wastes far too much time curating my own iTunes library anyway, so I'd be interested in helping out with this.

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If a song is definitively orchestral, would we check any orchestral instruments under "Extra Instrumentation", or is that not necessary? I figure if it's "extra", it means instruments significantly used other than those in a typical orchestra.

 

Also, would you be willing to put some sort of comments box in the form so someone could, for example, write a short overall description if words that they expect to find on the form aren't there, and their synonyms aren't available? (like "pleasant", "heroic", "yearning", or "evocative")

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For extra tags, check the instruments that are prominent. For example, if the violin in a track particularly stands out, check "violin." But if it's just a background instrument that doesn't really draw focus, leave it.

 

No on the comment box. We have a specific set of tags that we've gone over many times. We don't want to get into adding really subjective terms like what you've indicated.

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If you've finished your assigned batch and want some more remixes to do, post here for a new assignment!

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I feel like having the ability to make our own descriptions might get away from the generalization that this project is trying to go for...

 

Also, I just kind of went with my gut when going through my set but - say that there's a song that uses a flute that is obviously not a "real" flute, totally synthetic but meant as a flute substitute. Would you rather us label it AS a flute, or would the synth or tracker labels be more appropriate? 

 

(and: I'm ready for another batch!)

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If something is clearly meant to be a flute, but also a sampled flute and not live, put it as a flute. Synth is more for a generated electronic sound that doesn't necessarily have an acoustic analogue.

 

Tables, please work on OCR00041 - OCR00060.

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Not to overload y'all but I'm ready for some more too. But yeah don't forget timaeus, SystemsReady, Olarin it looks like ;;

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If it helps save time, you could just tag all of mine as "best" .... my initials, Brandon E. and the first 2 letters of my last name

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Timaeus, please do OCR00061 - OCR00100

Tables, please do OCR00101 - OCR00140

 

SystemsReady and Olarin, check your PMs for assignments and links.

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I'm ready for another!

 

But after this I think I'm gonna have to slow down... as much as I'd rather do this than do school. I'll still pop in as much as I think is possible for assignments though! 

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Tables, please work on OCR00181 through OCR00220.

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