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HELP NEEDED! ReMix Tagging Project! (Genres, Moods, Instrumentation, etc.)

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I'm up for another set now, if you think my tagging's good. :) Next batch might take me a little more time due to personal life stuff.

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Good going people. :) Seeing those numbers go is strangely fun.

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Hm. If a bass guitar may have been recorded live and then chopped and pasted in a way that makes it noticeable that it's choppy and wasn't played live all the way through, would I check "live-instruments" but not "live-recording"? (in other words, does "live-instruments" imply that you can tell the instrument is or used to be a recording, but clearly not performed publicly?)

 

I'm thinking of this track, which has a noticeable hiss but a choppy bass that, in the intro, plays certain notes that have a phase-reset feel. (Then again, it could just be a bad sample that was recorded with a hiss in it. Or maybe I'm overthinking it. o.o) I'm tempted to just not check anything "live".

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Hm. If a bass guitar may have been recorded live and then chopped and pasted in a way that makes it noticeable that it's choppy and wasn't played live all the way through, would I check "live-instruments" but not "live-recording"? (in other words, does "live-instruments" imply that you can tell the instrument is or used to be a recording, but clearly not performed publicly?)

 

I'm thinking of this track, which has a noticeable hiss but a choppy bass that, in the intro, plays certain notes that have a phase-reset feel. (Then again, it could just be a bad sample that was recorded with a hiss in it. Or maybe I'm overthinking it. o.o) I'm tempted to just not check anything "live".

 

live-recording is the entire piece of music having been recorded in one take, like a concert recording.

 

live-instrument is used in something like a track where a live instrument is actually played and recorded.

 

OCR00087 doesn't have live instruments. It's sequenced.

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Hey guys, I removed the duration tags from the form. We're going to handle that programmatically. Don't worry about duration.

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Good idea; maybe some of our ideas of duration vary anyhow. (I considered anything below 3 minutes as short, and near and above 4 minutes as long.)

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Tempo tags now have definitions in the master sheet linked in the first post. Here they are:

  • tempo-fast - ReMixes that are generally >130 BPM.
  • tempo-moderate - ReMixes that are generally between 130 and 90 BPM.
  • tempo-slow - ReMixes that are generally <90 BPM.

Use these definition as guidelines, but also go by feel and trust your ear. If something is 95 BPM but just FEELS SLOW, tempo-slow is probably fine.

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That google doc with the list of tags has some helpful explanations for some of them, but I could use some clarification on some of the moods - what sorts of things should or shouldn't be tagged with something like "chill" or "dark", for instance?  Those are pretty broad adjectives.

 

Also, I totally understand and respect keeping a consistent, limited, manageable list of tags, but since it's my primary instrument I feel like I have to mention it just once - you have violin, viola, and cello on the list for instrumentation, but you've notably omitted the remaining member of the modern string section, the double bass (upright bass, string bass, acoustic bass, contrabass viol, bull fiddle, doghouse, whatever you want to call it...)

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Sorry if I end up spamming this thread with questions... I've been trying to do a little research on my own to brush up on the terminology being used for genres, but I'm at a bit of a loss to tell the difference between Jungle and DnB.  Does anyone have some more-or-less-objective yardsticks by which they separate the two?

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That google doc with the list of tags has some helpful explanations for some of them, but I could use some clarification on some of the moods - what sorts of things should or shouldn't be tagged with something like "chill" or "dark", for instance?  Those are pretty broad adjectives.

 

Also, I totally understand and respect keeping a consistent, limited, manageable list of tags, but since it's my primary instrument I feel like I have to mention it just once - you have violin, viola, and cello on the list for instrumentation, but you've notably omitted the remaining member of the modern string section, the double bass (upright bass, string bass, acoustic bass, contrabass viol, bull fiddle, doghouse, whatever you want to call it...)

 

I agree on the bass; technically, there are/were artists/bands out there that put the bass at/nearly at the forefront or feature it somehow, such as the Jazz Fusion band Weather Report, who notably let Jaco Pastorius do bass solos. I also get though, that generally you don't hear bass as a prominent instrument.

 

I see Jungle music as having more emphasis on subs and amen breaks, and is generally fairly "dark", whereas DnB tends to have more straightforward drum patterns, being more beat-driven. When in doubt, I would just pick DnB when the difference is hard to distinguish, as they both use similar general drum rhythms at similar tempos. The difference, from what I'm hearing, is stereotypically in the way the drum pattern draws focus on its variations or doesn't draw focus and just acts as a "beatkeeper". (Use your best judgment though)

 

Example of Jungle

Example of Drum & Bass

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I agree on the bass; technically, there are/were artists/bands out there that put the bass at/nearly at the forefront or feature it somehow, such as the Jazz Fusion band Weather Report, who notably let Jaco Pastorius do bass solos. I also get though, that generally you don't hear bass as a prominent instrument.

 

I see Jungle music as having more emphasis on subs and amen breaks, and is generally fairly "dark", whereas DnB tends to have more straightforward drum patterns, being more beat-driven. When in doubt, I would just pick DnB when the difference is hard to distinguish, as they both use similar general drum rhythms at similar tempos. The difference, from what I'm hearing, is stereotypically in the way the drum pattern draws focus on its variations or doesn't draw focus and just acts as a "beatkeeper". (Use your best judgment though)

 

Example of Jungle

Example of Drum & Bass

 

From experience, jungle is a DnB subgenre, like how "liquid" is a DnB subgenre (hard emphasis on melodies and beauty). :o

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Just chiming in quickly to say that the hard work & effort is truly appreciated - staff spent a long time, many hours, coming up with this list of tags, refining it, debating it, etc., and it's great to see it finally being employed.

 

Example conversation: we must have gone back & forth over the term "ethnic" to label exotic or non-western instrumentation alone for 5 minutes. You DO see it employed sometimes elsewhere, but we all felt it was antiquated & offensive in its ethnocentrism. Yes, we actually care enough to discuss these things in such detail, so it's good to see the community care about helping out!

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I can do another batch, since I have a long weekend to look forward to.

 

.... where are we anyway with the numbers? :blink:

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Tables, please work on 221 through 260.

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I can do another batch, since I have a long weekend to look forward to.

 

.... where are we anyway with the numbers? :blink:

Same here. :)

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Yeah, I'm still up for another batch too. If I don't receive it by today though, it won't be processed till late Sunday, as I'll be leaving for Chicago to go to North Coast Music Festival tomorrow...

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Okay, I have another question for anyone who's paying attention - sorry if I'm taking this too seriously but I'd rather get these right than rush thru them, and I'm deliberately using this task as motivation to learn more about current genre classifications, especially EDM which I've never payed much close attention to before.

 

http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00172

 

House or Trance?  From what I've read I'm leaning slightly more towards Trance, but I don't know if it's "spacey" enough to count as that... or would you give up and just label it generically "EDM"?

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If you're not sure, just use the parent genre, EDM.

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Sure, can do, but I'd also welcome the oppourtunity to learn more about the classifications, if possible.

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No more responses, so I just put EDM for that one.  Somebody else can get more specific later.  (I presume there will be some chance for review / refinement eventually anyway.)

Anyway, I know I'm going slower than some of the others, but I'm up for another batch...

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We're going to pause for a bit so that we can spot check all of your contributions. Very happy you guys have stepped up to do this. Just need to make sure you guys are on point. Will update with new assignments soon. :)

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Okay, I have another question for anyone who's paying attention - sorry if I'm taking this too seriously but I'd rather get these right than rush thru them, and I'm deliberately using this task as motivation to learn more about current genre classifications, especially EDM which I've never payed much close attention to before.

 

http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00172

 

House or Trance?  From what I've read I'm leaning slightly more towards Trance, but I don't know if it's "spacey" enough to count as that... or would you give up and just label it generically "EDM"?

 

I'd say Trance more than house, but it's definitivly classic trance...

 

Cheers

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We're going to pause for a bit so that we can spot check all of your contributions. Very happy you guys have stepped up to do this. Just need to make sure you guys are on point. Will update with new assignments soon. :)

Got the OK from djp to continue. DarkeSword'll assign some new batches soon.

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