Reason 'competition'?

[Malcos]

Ok so this is not really a competition, as it's just for fun. What I propose is that we take 2 rns files at a time that are of a good vibe, but unfinished (I'm sure we all have some of those), and then we all have fun working on them. After a period of 2 weeks the round will finish, and I will host the finished rns files on my webspace (or yours). If you don't have time to work on both files, that's fine - just work on the one. Send me your best unfinished rns file, and I'll put it in the queue to be used as a source for the following rounds.

This is for us, as OCR reason users, to learn more about reason and get a feel for how others use the program, as well as it being great fun for the person whose rns file is used as the source. Even if you don't participate in actually making a variation yourself, you can still get a lot out of it by seeing what others have done with the rns files that they submit.


This is just for fun, but we have to have some guidelines at least:

*The person who submits their rns to be reworked may set the guidelines as to what do do with the song itself. Remix? Finish what has been started? Change genre? Go nuts?

1. There must be no ear killing stuff in the files! No crazy infinite feedback stuff at 1khz, or anything else like that plz. I know it's silly for me to say this, but still.

2. A lot of debate on what refills can/cannot be used. Not everyone will be pleased I'm sure, but I'm sure we can please most. Do whatever you want with the synths, as long as it's not ear killing! We want to make sure that as many people can play the full rns that you've made. So, Reason factory soundbank, Orkester, Electromechanical, and SirNuts refill (the only outside refill that can be used!) These rns files will be Reason 3 compatible, but not for earlier versions sorry.

3. Following on from point 2, obviously other refills may contain synth/fx combis. Most of you will know that anything based on Reason's synths/effects will open up even if you don't have that refill. So that's ok.

4. You may use 'File > Song Self-Contain Settings' to embed drum/drum percussion. No embedding of any other sounds. But the rns file must not exceed 2mb in size. That should be more than enough.

5. You can email me the rns and file if you wish, or you can host them on your own webspace. I don't care either way, we all have lots of space these days on our email accounts.

First round: FINISHED! Thanks to everyone who participated! Archive here:
www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Round1.zip (http://www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Round1.zip)


Round 2: Finished!

Please discuss in thread...

[Fishy]

I like the sound of that, when I get 3.0 I'd join in for sure.

[Hy Bound]

I wouldn't mind doin' it. I have a ton of .rsn files that i'd be willing to share, the problem is i have no place to host them.

[anosou]

I think it's a GREAT idea :O
I probably use Reason in some preeetty stupid ways sometimes and maybe we can learn from eachothers mistakes and .. what's the opposite of mistake? .. that! :D

Do it :D

[avaris]

I'm down, when do we start?

[Nicole Adams]

As Tony the tiger would say, "Grrreat!"

[anosou]

seriously let's do this! (after the weekend because I'm away then XD)

[Malcos]

Ok well, 4 or 5 people is more than enough to start this off! Hosting isn't a prob, I've got space that we can use from my web site, so you guys could just email me the rsn files, they would only be small anyway.

Yeah Fishy, sorry this is Reason 3 only, it a shame that the files are not backwards compatible in some way.

Hy Bound, you were first, so I guess we can use one of your unfinished files? I'm sure we all have unfinished rsn files floating around in our folders! We can start this on Monday if everyone will be ready. I'll edit the first post and put up some guidelines, including the use of only the Reason default bank and the orkester samples, as any synths/synth combis are not dependant on soundbanks. Electromechanical as well? I'm sure most of us will have that refill too?

Anyways I have to get ready for the Propellerheads producers conference thingy, it's coming to London this evening! I'll prob start another thread about it tomorrow.

[anosou]

electromechanical, hell yeah. best refill ever made :)

[DJ SymBiotiX]

I'm in. We should also include Sir Nuts refill pack. Which can be found here http://www.djsbx.com/refills/refills.php

[Fishy]

Yeah Fishy, sorry this is Reason 3 only, it a shame that the files are not backwards compatible in some way.

:(

Any chance somewhere down the line I can submit a 2.5 file for the source? I'm pretty sure you can open 2.5 files in 3.0, that way you get none of them combinatory majiggers and shi' as a starting point :p.

Either way, I'm gonna be voting like a biatch on this one :D.

[anosou]

I think that should be doable, right malcos?

now lemme get one thing straight. you can tweak the synths however you want right? and only the factory soundbank SAMPLES ? so not factory soundbank presets only I hope

[Malcos]

Fishy, of course you could submit a 2.5 rns for the source, the thing is you just wouldn't be able to see the changes that other have made to the file; the only way you would be able to hear them is if everyone rendered as mp3, which I would be happy to host. If you're ok with that, it's more then fine by me.

AS, yeah, you can tweak/make whatever synths you want. Basically I'm just trying to accommodate everyone, so that no one says they can't play a particular file because they don't have the samples. Or I could say that if they are stand alone samples, then they should be imbedded in the file. If so, should there be a size limit?

This is getting complex!

Ok, if we use the SirNuts refill, then that is the only outside refill that can be used, otherwise this will just get tooooooo much.

BTW, the conference was ok. I got a free t-shirt. Got a few tips, not that they were giving much away, but I learned more about routing. We got lectures from Peff, and James Bernard as well. I definitely have to get Peff's book, 'Power tools for Reason 3'. That Peff guy knows his shit!

[Fishy]

Fishy, of course you could submit a 2.5 rns for the source, the thing is you just wouldn't be able to see the changes that other have made to the file; the only way you would be able to hear them is if everyone rendered as mp3, which I would be happy to host. If you're ok with that, it's more then fine by me.

Yeah I realised I wouldn't be able to see the changes, but hearing them is good enough for me. I'll put a little something together for the second or third round or something? You want it to be just a nice simple original for people to work up into something more substantial?

[The Pezman]

I probably don't have enough skillz in order to submit anything for such a competition, but I could try (and fail miserably) anyways.

"Power Tools for Reason 3," you say?

[DJ SymBiotiX]

hmm.. what about our own drum sampls as imbeded samples? I really dont like reasons default drums lol.

Also.. les get it on I have like 5 billion files I could submit for this lol.

[anosou]

Peff is seriously good yeah :)

Sir_NutS Refill is great, so I think it's cool to use it.
I actually don't think we should use outside samples. so no size limit. The samples in reason are VERY easy to tweak to perfection.

Did we decide about Electromechanical? I love that refill :)

[V___]

I dont have time for this.... as much as I'd love to, I dont spend nearly enough time doing music. I'l definatly tune in for results, get inspired and then mope about the said lack of time.

IE. I'm interested, but not necessarily IN.

IMO: Refils, I say just keep it to default soundbank samples for all instruments bar drums. Max 1mb of samples attached, with samples available on request.

Additionally, I dont think this necessarily has to be a competition though. The voting would get tedius and annoying (again imo), and have no real reward. If all entrants of a competition submitted unfinished works that could be used as the source for the FOLLOWING competition, I can see that as more benefitting and inspirational, and provide a wider range of ideas.

Sorry about the quick and formal attitude, my mind is in work mode.

I'l check back on this tomorrow when I'm more relaxed.

[Malcos]

Ok, let me just pull everything together here into one post, or this is gonna be a very long thread lol. I'll just edit my

first post and kinda put all the 'rules' together into that, and then we can just discuss as usual.

Please comment on my edited post, let me know what you think of the guidelines and particularly the points for discussion. I'm sure we can get this under way by next Monday!

[V___]

Points still for discussion:

*Length of time for each editing of rns file (1/2 weeks)
*Rns or rps? Does it matter?
*We're gona be messing with a tune. So can we mess with the tune completely, or can we only continue the vibe that has already been set? Or should we leave it up to whoever is subbing the rns at the time?

1. I reckon 2 weeks per file, with little break between (2 days max, and the break during the week, cos I want to be able to contribute if I can, and the only time for that will be weekends). Will it be 1 file at a time, or multiples?

2. RNS, preferably. If someone has a synth patch I really like, and would like to save, I would like to be able to just SAVE it, not have to recreate it and then save it.

3. No idea, I'm devided on the issue. For example, I'd love to be able to submit a peice thats almost complete and have people feedback on the processing used, but that doesnt allow remixing or variations very much. But at the same time, I mightnt learn as much if I'm not direct with the request. I'l leave this for others to battle out.

[Malcos]

I personally feel that 2 weeks is too long, because we're not composing, just working with an already established, but undeveloped idea. However I would still like some more opinions on that, if a lot of people want 2 weeks then kool.

Yeah I was leaning towards rns, because we are really sharing ideas here.

V___, reading what you would want done with your rns, and what others want done with theirs, I think it's best, and more fun if we let whoever is subbing the rns to say what they want done with it, it's more varied that way.

I think working with 2 files at a time would be a good idea, because 2 weeks is a long time for me, especially if someone just wants a few tweaks done to their rns file, or who has a kind of 'lets see how you mix this' request.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

I think working with 2 files at a time would be a good idea, because 2 weeks is a long time for me, especially if someone just wants a few tweaks done to their rns file, or who has a kind of 'lets see how you mix this' request.

Sounds like a good idea--that way, if you have time you can work with both files, and if not you can just pick one of them. It all depends on how much time you've got around on your hands--I think ORC does weekly competitions, but CMC does closer to 2 weeks. Whereas, FLMC was really dwindling so even with a deadline closer to one month, it didn't really get much.

[anosou]

Points still for discussion:

*Length of time for each editing of rns file (1/2 weeks)
*Rns or rps? Does it matter?
*We're gona be messing with a tune. So can we mess with the tune completely, or can we only continue the vibe that has already been set? Or should we leave it up to whoever is subbing the rns at the time?

Just got home after a gig in denmark, 46 hours without sleep so pardon any bad english :)

1. I didn't really get how you meant this. 2 weeks and 2 files at a time? I think that could be nice so you can work fast and do both or just concentrate on one. I hope I understood that correctly. Remember the voting process will be long so if we're doing one song at a time I'm voting 1 week.

2. RNS. RPS is for people that think to highly of themselves and doesn't want to share.

3. I think leave it up to the subber. But I do hope most of the subbers encourage the complete mess I know we all want to do ;)

[Malcos]

Ok, I've done another edit, I think we can all be happy with what is there now. Send me your unfinished rns files! One per person please, try to send me your best unfinished song. I'll place it in the queue!

[V___]

Just running off to work, but wanted to check up on this, and I'm glad I did! Looks awesome!! Have to query publication of a reworked song in the future, but we'l cover that later I'm sure. I'm READY (to attempt to get some time, fail miserably and cry :()


5. When the time comes to submit, please put your forum name at the start of the file, ie Malcos_dibnip.rns. You can email me the rns and file if you wish, or you can host them on your own webspace. I don't care either way, we all have lots of space these days on our email accounts.

So I rename my file V________dibnip.rns? :P

[Malcos]

I've changed that 5 guideline, as long as when you email me, you let me know your forum name it's fine.

Round 1 start! I didn't receive any other rns files other than from Another Soundscape, so he's in first. Let's see how this goes. 2 weeks, so that's July 2nd. If there's anything I haven't covered please let me know.

[anosou]

I feel so cool right now *pose*
Good luck all of you :)

[Dr. Rod]

Though I can't really participate in the competition, I would love to see some .RNS files so that I can get an idea as to how some people more experienced with reason setup thier devices, if anyone has any now that they'd like to share

[Dr. Rod]

[Double post]

[Malcos]

Though I can't really participate in the competition, I would love to see some .RNS files so that I can get an idea as to how some people more experienced with reason setup thier devices, if anyone has any now that they'd like to share

Reason 4! I'm still high from looking at the props' website! Anyways...

You can check this out from my 'Not Comercial' album:

www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Cold_reception.rns

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

Reason 4! I'm still high from looking at the props' website! Anyways...

You can check this out from my 'Not Comercial' album:

www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Cold_reception.rns

ah niice...I always liked this song...

[The Pezman]

Reason 4! I'm still high from looking at the props' website!
Where on said website is Reason 4?

EDIT: NM, I found it. Pretty cool... looks to be out before the end of the year. Quite nice, quite nice.

[anosou]

so is anyone actually participating in this? :D
I'm trying to fiddle around with malcos song but it's pretty darn hard. :D

[V___]

Reason 4! I'm still high from looking at the props' website! Anyways...

You can check this out from my 'Not Comercial' album:

www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Cold_reception.rns (http://www.malcos.co.uk/rns/Cold_reception.rns)

OOoo!

Wow, learning alot from browsing this (and the other 2 files). Mostly learning that I should probably try using acouple of patches, they have some nice sounds....

Well Iv listened to the peices, and we'l see how I go for time on actually WORKING with them. These are going to be hard to remix, especially since theyr from 2 people whos musical works I greatly respect.

[Malcos]

Yeah I've done yours already Another Soundscape lol.

It's not meant to be hard! Just have fun with it, it's not going to be in a pro production, so do anything you like, even silly stuff. You're trying too hard to make it sound like the best thing ever. Or you could just leave it as it is and then transition it to something else completely...maybe I shouldn't have called it a 'competition', even though I did put it in quotes.

[anosou]

Yeah I've done yours already Another Soundscape lol.

It's not meant to be hard! Just have fun with it, it's not going to be in a pro production, so do anything you like, even silly stuff. You're trying too hard to make it sound like the best thing ever. Or you could just leave it as it is and then transition it to something else completely...maybe I shouldn't have called it a 'competition', even though I did put it in quotes.

Man.. I got to beta test Reason 4 and I have work so we'll see how this works out O.o

[V___]

Well, now that I'm starting to use patches, I'm finding actual USE for refils!! Although its useful to have synths fully programmed in a second, its going to make me lazy... :S

Sooo.. got a bit of time today once my parents leave (stupid visitors, sucking up my free time), but I'm gonna see what crazyness I can do with the songs...

[anosou]

OOoo!especially since theyr from 2 people whos musical works I greatly respect.

Wait wut? Shaddup you Aussie! :D (means thanks)
and btw, where's my CD? >.<

[Sir_NutS]

oh wow, why didn't I see this before!

I'm already flattered that you decided to include my refill on this, so I will give this a try for sure. You guys should pm me when these things happen around here, I just saw this and the reason 4 news today XD.

[anosou]

oh wow, why didn't I see this before!

I'm already flattered that you decided to include my refill on this, so I will give this a try for sure. You guys should pm me when these things happen around here, I just saw this and the reason 4 news today XD.

SIGN UP FOR BETATESTING! :O IT'S HEAVEN!

[Sir_NutS]

Hey guys, last night I had a couple of hours of free time so I decided to give this a go, I remixed Malcos' tune. It's not something that will blow your mind, due to the time I invested into it, but I did have lots of fun.

I uploaded it to easyshare so if anyone can get it and host it for me (my website is temporarily down) It'd be appreciated.

clicky here! (http://w13.easy-share.com/1250860.html)

If I have more time this week, I'll give AS' track a try as well.

[anosou]

Hey guys, last night I had a couple of hours of free time so I decided to give this a go, I remixed Malcos' tune. It's not something that will blow your mind, due to the time I invested into it, but I did have lots of fun.

I uploaded it to easyshare so if anyone can get it and host it for me (my website is temporarily down) It'd be appreciated.

clicky here! (http://w13.easy-share.com/1250860.html)

If I have more time this week, I'll give AS' track a try as well.

Done:
http://soundscape.escariot.net/Sir_Nuts-DeefNutSyGroove.rns

Now I just have to reinstall Reason 3 to actually listen to this :D


EDIT: Your track looks über hot in Reason 4's new sequencer. Sorry I couldn't resist.

[Malcos]

Wooo, Sir Nuts, this is sweet!!! It clips, but I'll let you off this time :wink:. I've edited the first post so any files submitted will be added there, as they are submitted.

[Sir_NutS]

Wooo, Sir Nuts, this is sweet!!! It clips, but I'll let you off this time :wink:. I've edited the first post so any files submitted will be added there, as they are submitted.

I'll take that as a borderline YES :-D

Anyways I should have some spare time tonight to try AS' track. I had lots of fun with the little time I spent with Malcos' song so I'm looking forwards to it (though I haven't listened to the song yet heh)

[anosou]

I'll take that as a borderline YES :-D

Anyways I should have some spare time tonight to try AS' track. I had lots of fun with the little time I spent with Malcos' song so I'm looking forwards to it (though I haven't listened to the song yet heh)

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG, GETTIN' REMUXED BY THE SIR_NUTS! :O

[Malcos]

Ooh, the first round will be finished tomorrow! Get your rns files in, and send your unfinished ones too, because there are none in the queue at the moment...

[anosou]

Ooh, the first round will be finished tomorrow! Get your rns files in, and send your unfinished ones too, because there are none in the queue at the moment...

I recently installed Reason 3 again (had to remove for reason 4) and I may be able to whip something up tonight

[anosou]

Okay, I remuxed Malcos :) or at least tried to, didn't have much time :) 2 hours and 15 minutes actually ;P

Here it is: http://soundscape.escariot.net/AnotherDeefGroove.rns

[avaris]

They aren't really 'remixes' I just tried to add one or two tricks I do in songs sometimes. Hopefully I'll have more time to throw more tricks into the remixes for the next round.

AS:
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/avaris/electromechanicalambience.rns

Malcos:
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/avaris/DeefGroove.rns

[Sir_NutS]

I tried mixing AS' track, but nothing satisfying came out, I guess artist's block is hitting me with his almighty, unforgiving hammer of suck again XD.

Looking forwards other incarnations of this thing though.

[anosou]

I tried mixing AS' track, but nothing satisfying came out, I guess artist's block is hitting me with his almighty, unforgiving hammer of suck again XD.

Looking forwards other incarnations of this thing though.

Not that strange, it was a fairly hard track to do something with ;)

[anosou]

Oh and avaris.
AWESOME STUFF :O PLEASE REMIX MY SONGS IN THE FUTURE TOO :D
okay I admit it, I'm a sucker for overprocessed and automated drums

[Malcos]

First round is over! I've received 2 new unfinished songs. Round 2 starts soon. Anything we can do differently for the next round?

[anosou]

We can spread the word some more :)

[Sir_NutS]

I wish I could send an unfinished song for this, but some of my songs use external soundfonts and sometimes rex files. But I will try to participate again.

[anosou]

I wish I could send an unfinished song for this, but some of my songs use external soundfonts and sometimes rex files. But I will try to participate again.

You can always change 'em to Reason Factory sounds, may sound odd but you'll have the arrangement.

[Malcos]

Round 2 starts Friday! Any ideas of how we can get this some more attention? I don't want to really post it in the competitions forum because technically it isn't a competition...

[avaris]

Oh and avaris.
AWESOME STUFF :O PLEASE REMIX MY SONGS IN THE FUTURE TOO :D
okay I admit it, I'm a sucker for overprocessed and automated drums

Thanks dude. :)!! Two of the routing techniques I got from Peff's book.

[anosou]

Round 2 starts Friday! Any ideas of how we can get this some more attention? I don't want to really post it in the competitions forum because technically it isn't a competition...

Well I vote NO OVERRIDE for the competition forum. Maybe do some advertising to remixers we know using reason? mentioning it to as many as possible on irc and stuff :P

Thanks dude. :)!! Two of the routing techniques I got from Peff's book.

Although the EQ freq moving thing made it LOUD it was pretty cool

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

I've been watching this--I dunno if I'll have time but I'll try and give this next round a shot if I can.

[anosou]

I've been watching this--I dunno if I'll have time but I'll try and give this next round a shot if I can.

Do it :) the more the merrier. I want to see what everyone does that I don't :D

[Malcos]

Round 2 now active!

[anosou]

Round 2 now active!

Wee! party time!

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

bleh. i've got producer's block. i'll try again laterz.

[Sir_NutS]

Oh it's up, nice. I'll get the songs and check them out later.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

oh, i also get an "unknown exception" when I try to open Avaris's rns file. is this just me?

[anosou]

oh, i also get an "unknown exception" when I try to open Avaris's rns file. is this just me?

Yup, I get no unknown exception O.o

[avaris]

Well that sucks. I tried the link and it still opens fine on my comp, so it's def something with the original file I subbed instead the file being corrupted through through downloading and uploading.

[Malcos]

Whew, I'm finding this round very challenging indeed. These songs are not easy for me to work with.

[Sir_NutS]

Whew, I'm finding this round very challenging indeed. These songs are not easy for me to work with.

I concur.
And I also can't open avaris' file. Booo!

[avaris]

DAMN

Here try this:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/avaris/Dreamy%20Reason%20Compo%20Version.rns

Maybe this version will work for whatever 'reason.' :neutral:

[Zephyr]

This was a cool idea, I wish I had reason, maybe we could start one for FL sometime...

[V___]

So this is the first time I'v been online in like 2 weeks.... and my parents are visiting so I cant do any music. I'l check this out when they leave.

:( I havnt done any music in 2 weeks, no wonder I have so much energy....

[anosou]

Whew, I'm finding this round very challenging indeed. These songs are not easy for me to work with.

Sorry :)
Anyway, I'm back from partying for five days in a row ( www.arvikafestivalen.se ) and may be able to give avaris' tune a shot.

[Chickenwarlord]

This was a cool idea, I wish I had reason, maybe we could start one for FL sometime...

There once was a FLMC that got ignored because it was shoved into the competitions forum. You missed it by two months.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

DAMN

Here try this:

http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/av...%20Version.rns

Maybe this version will work for whatever 'reason.'

nope, sorry -_-;


There once was a FLMC that got ignored because it was shoved into the competitions forum. You missed it by two months.

Yeah it really sucked how quickly FLMC went downhill after being moved there. The idea was a bit different than what's going on here, since it was a competition, but i guess the basic concept was pretty much the same. Well, at least I ended up getting one of my best mixes out because of FLMC5. ;)

way back when, there was also this massive FL collab, with Beatdrop and Prophecy and Skypnyk a bunch of other people all adding stuff to one big project file. neat stuff, i still have the flp...

[Sir_NutS]

I got Peff's book today :D

Hope it does expand my Reason knowledge :p

[anosou]

I got Peff's book today :D

Hope it does expand my Reason knowledge :p

You lucky bastard! :D

[Malcos]

Ohhh dear lol. I received nothing for this round, nil, nada. I'm very busy myself these days, which is why I've given myself such a long time for my refill that I'm doing at the moment, so I'm guilty as well lol.

So should we continue this? I know the source files in this 2nd round were not easy to work with, could that be the reason that we had no subs this time?

[anosou]

Ohhh dear lol. I received nothing for this round, nil, nada. I'm very busy myself these days, which is why I've given myself such a long time for my refill that I'm doing at the moment, so I'm guilty as well lol.

So should we continue this? I know the source files in this 2nd round were not easy to work with, could that be the reason that we had no subs this time?

I think we should just keep on submitting sources, no matter how many or if any tries it out. It's great fun for those who does. And I promise I will not submit another source :D

[Sir_NutS]

AS' track didn't click with me, (not that it was bad though). And avaris' didn't open no matter how many times I tried.

But isnce the purpose of this is just fun and learning I don't see why we shouldn't have another round.

[Knives]

HEY! Let's revive this thing, as far as I know all the original participants have gotten R4 already, so let's do something with R4, kay? We'll "upgrade" the 'competition' ;P All the rules are still the same though, of course.

Anyone care to submit anything?

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

i have lost all reason capabilities (for a "good" reason) and just recently "re-got" my FL Studio. so i'm out. sorry!

[Knives]

Been a week since my post in here and nothing, nothing at all. I guess nobody cares about this thing anymore.

[avaris]

Ok so for some Reason haha...I started messing around with some cable routings in an attempt to make some cool rhythmic effects using loops and pads. It just one loops and one synth playing chords. And lots o' FX trickery and automation.

RNS (4.0 only sorry :()
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/avaris/BEAT%20VOCODE%20EXAMPLE.rns

MP3 DEMO
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/avaris/Beat%20Vocode%20Example.mp3

No deadline or anything. Just mess around have fun and see what you come up with based off this small idea. Also any feedback on whether or not you peeps like the sound of this?

[anosou]

Wicked. Really, this was a really nice beat!
Now just keep the rest of the song up to par :D
I'll check the .rns out soon man