View Full Version : OCR00945 - Metal Gear Solid 2 'Big Shell West Bristol'
djpretzel
03-08-2003, 08:53 PM
What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.
Bagel Fuzzynuts
03-08-2003, 08:59 PM
Lyrics!! Yay!
There aren't enough songs on OC Remix with lyrics and this one is awsome.
Slow, relaxing beats and a soothing vocal track.
Good job on this one. It's great!
FlyingFox
03-08-2003, 10:46 PM
This song was well made into this slow late night jazz/trip-hop mix.
It's very funny to hear slow hoppish beat flows with the jazzy backing and how everything comes in and out (the dueling vocal riffs... Woo :D ..) It reminds me of those music used in some 90's ads in the UK.
I dig the way this is put togeter, the song/vocal is used to give the feeling floating in the sky on top of the smooth flow which uses deep sounds to make the song/vocal seem all that much in the clouds.
So close your eyes and let the song take ya to the skys to look at the stars up there:D.
edit: I hadn't heard of portishead, so yeah I what to check out thier song out now!
As with some BenCousins remix, I would like someone to try to rap to that beat :P
endblink
03-08-2003, 10:51 PM
Usually, I try not to resort to foul language when reviewing something, but I must be truthful. The only thing going through my head right now is:
WOW! THIS IS FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!
djp nailed this one on the head: I would SWEAR this was a Portishead ReMix. In fact, I have a feeling this will be popping up on P2P programs in the near future as "Portishead - Metal Gear Solid 2 Remix" (mark my words). It sounds THAT good. Hell, it sounds BETTER than some of Portishead's work! And that's saying A LOT.
Nice feel, nice sounds, nice lyrics. Recorded a little low if you ask me. Would have liked the piece a little louder all around, but fortunately, that's what the volume knob is good for.
Never played MGS2, but would love to now JUST to hear this song and hear the difference in the mix.
Wanna know the sign of a good mix? When it plays well under repeated back to back listenings. I think I've looped this one 8 or 9 times now, and it's STILL incredible.
Download this NOW. You won't regret it.
Wow. Simply wow. This mix = fucking incredible. Everything about it blends so well. I've been listening to it for about an hour now, and as endblink put it, it's still incredible. I usually don't review much either, but I just had to type something up for this song. It's that good. I've never heard of Portishead, so I think I'm gonna go check that out tonight.
Download it now...you'd be missing out if you didn't.
SnappleMan
03-09-2003, 12:07 AM
While I don't really dig the mix much, I gotta give the man some respect for basically composing his own song around the lyrics. It works perfectly together, very polished, and is it just me, or is there something.. creamy about it?
Still, I don't really like the song much, but it's an absolute masterpiece in terms of composition and style.
ella guro
03-09-2003, 01:11 AM
Heh. Within the first :20 of this mix, I immedietly thought "Hey...this sounds A LOT like Portished". And apparently I was right on. Kinda weird, considering that I've heard very few of their songs. Anyway, BenCousins had this up on his original mp3.com site awhile ago, and I thought "are those vocal samples from the game?? He can't have recorded it himself!" But he did. That's insane. And this is insane - insanely great, of course. Download. Now.
Tappy
03-09-2003, 01:18 AM
Anyway, BenCousins had this up on his original mp3.com site awhile ago, and I thought "are those vocal samples from the game?? He can't have recorded it himself!" But he did. That's insane. And this is insane - insanely great, of course. Download. Now.
No, they're from the game, it's from the song that plays over the end credits. I have the original track on my computer. And this version tops the original by a mile. I was just saying a few weeks ago how I prefer remixes of older games, because for newer games it's tough to top the original track. BenCousins sure shut my mouth. Amazing work--I agree with djp, one of the best remixes in months.
EDIT: Or did you mean the samples from 2:00-3:00 and from 3:33 on? If you meant those vocal samples, then I misunderstood you, but the vocals that sing the lyrics are from the game.
EmptyMy
03-09-2003, 02:17 AM
yep. this is wonderful. this is my genre of choice. i wouldn't try doing anything similar myself, because there's no point to it. i'd only ruin it. this is... the way it's supposed to be done. wonderful.
pixlz
03-09-2003, 02:51 AM
easilly *easilly* one of the best mixes on the site. in fact...... i thought this song was a poor choice for the ending credits of the game.
but christ..... if they'd used something like this remix for the games end credit sequence? o.O; even the games ending would've been perfect.
just..... amazing.
Technomel
03-09-2003, 03:57 AM
I said "Yay, a new Mgs2 remix" when I came to the site and this is the first remix that I've listened to in a while. It's as I say "brilliant". I'm not sure I remember the singing from the game but the echoing of the voice makes me feel like I have heard it, I just can't put my finger on it. Well done, I'd play this loud.
Shhteve
03-09-2003, 04:30 AM
This is my first time listening to it, I'm only at 1:40 and so far I'm very amazed about how professional and how beautiful this trip-hoppish tune is. It's definitely something OCR doesn't have too much of (trip-hop), and I personally would like to see more of it. Great job Ben, Bravo. Keep them coming!
Random thought: Someone needs to make some Grandia 2 ReMixes, too. :D
Liontamer
03-09-2003, 06:00 AM
This is definitely getting played on my radio show. The professionalism here is incredible.
I'm not familiar with Portishead, but I will be giving them a look thanks to Kazaalite. On another angle, I felt the mix sounded very James Bond-ish, like one of the many movie opening themes, and I also thought it had similarities to Goldfrapp's "Pilots (Watching Stars)", if any of you would be interested in checking that out as well. I definitely felt it along those lines.
Having listened to every mix on OCR, this one, in my opinion, definitely puts Cousins on another level, along with the more recent mixers, like Quinn Fox and Gecko Yamori, who consistently come out with high-quality stuff. I think Ben Cousins' stuff with Zelda has been good, though more minimalist. If he came out with more of these thorough types of mixes, it's obvious Cousins will getting more and more recognition.
It's not to put OCR down when I say that a lot of tracks here are inaccessible to people who aren't familiar with video game music, because trip-hop stuff like this can fall on deaf ears to many people as well. But, honestly, this is one of the mixes on OCR that I would try introducing to people who otherwise have no idea about this site. It's really that good.
Meiguoren
03-09-2003, 06:57 AM
I'm not a big fan of this song to begin with, as Konami has a poor history of choosing closing credit songs.
But this is simply amazing. The work put into this mix is impressive, but even better than the technical accomplishment is the way the song flows completely on its own. This is one of the occasions that a remix truly can exist in the world outside. The lyrics almost take on a different meaning set to this darker, eerie music.
The piece builds and builds, becoming more impressive and complex as it progresses.
I am now very curious about what BenCousins has to say about this piece. His inspiration and his methods. I would love to hear his take on everything.
The-Fact
03-09-2003, 12:28 PM
These are the worst lyrics I've ever heard. I wonder if people normally stare up at the sky and wonder if they are made of hurt and pain or filled with love... You know, I can't believe the person who sang this actually sang it with a straight face. Well, whose to say that she did. This reminds me of http://yoga.tripod.co.jp/flash/kikkomaso_e2.swf
TheROsingleB
03-09-2003, 12:53 PM
Lol, Kikkoman
Anyways, I think its a pretty good song. Kinda sounds like it would be a James Bond movie theme though :D
Ben Cousins
03-09-2003, 02:55 PM
Thanks for your comments. You've given me a nice boost!
I am now very curious about what BenCousins has to say about this piece. His inspiration and his methods. I would love to hear his take on everything.
I'm a huge vocal jazz fan (I saw Jimmy Scott at Ronnie Scott's in London a few months ago - amazing).
I heard this track first in the backing for the E3 demo of MGS2 and it blew me away. Yes the lyrics are a little trite, but the vocal performance is truly brilliant. I'd recommend anyone get hold of the original track. I've only been using Reason for a few months (that's all I use for the mixes, Reason 1 and bit of CoolEdit), and after the last few mixes I felt confident enough to try something a little left-wing. The hardest part of the mix was working out the chord sequence to underpin the vocals, I'm not sure its the same as the original track. Took me a couple of evenings looping the vocals and trying to finds the right chords. I'm a drummer first, and a very poor keyboard player so that was hard.
Once I'd got the vocals and the chord sequence it was easy work. I've been listening to Portishead since '94 when I bought their first single and I find it quite easy to slot into that style - the plate 'verbs and the Hammond and a nice Mellotron string sound. Obviously there's a huge degree of luck in composition and I just happened upon the vocal lead sound that fitted like a dream.
I'm very glad you all like it. Hopefully I'll be able to improve upon it with later tracks.
Old Omen
03-09-2003, 06:35 PM
I will make it clear. I am not a fan of Ben Cousins's stuff.
However... I will say that this is his best remix on the site. The others I found repetitive and somewhat... irritating. Sorry. This one is starting to grow on me a little. I think the problem is a genre gap; I don't like hip-hop. I've never heard Portishead, so I can't make any connection there.
The part at 2:00 is my favorite - seemed to me to be a pretty powerful hit, and I like those. I would have liked the percussion to do something different, or to be a little bit more in the background. The voice is an excellent style for what you're doing.
It is an excellent example of the genre. Unfortunately, the genre does not appeal to me. For those who like it... well, it's worth the click.
Malcolm
03-09-2003, 11:39 PM
Wow. I mean...wow. 8O
You've almost left me speechless with this remix, it's incredible.
I was reminded almost instantly of Telepopmusik's song "Breathe", which is a good thing considering it's one of my all time favourites. The lyrics are from the game itself, and are so euphoric, and the remix itself makes it feel complete. I can easily see this in the music charts, it's amazing.
Kudos. You've made a lasting impression.
:D
Stalchild
03-09-2003, 11:54 PM
I've never commented on a mix before, but this one, this one is definetly special. It is unlike anything I have heard before on this site, which I think is hard considering how diverse the music at OverClocked is.
I usually read djpretzels comments while I'm loading the songs, and once he said vocals I thought that it was gonna be junk. But then he said Portishead. If anyone wants to hear what Portishead sounds like, look no further than this song, pretzel wasn't kidding when he stated the similarity.
In closing, I really really really enjoyed this ReMix, the only thing that still confuses me is from exactly where the vocals are from....whatever the answer is, it's still brilliant. GOOD WORK BEN!
Tappy
03-10-2003, 04:22 PM
Since everyone seems to be wondering about the original track, I put it up on my Angelfire site, so get it while you can, I can't keep it up for long, and I'll probably go over my transfer limit pretty quick.
Metal Gear Solid 2 -- Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday (http://www.angelfire.com/games4/plf/Cant_Say_Goodbye_to_Yesterday_Full_Version.mp3)
Stalchild
03-10-2003, 04:27 PM
Thanks Tappy, this is really great
Now I can appreciate Ben's mix even more
Quinn X5
03-10-2003, 07:37 PM
Very, very, very nice work.
Inspiring!
~Quinn Fox
This... this has to be one of the best, if not THE best remix I have ever downloaded on this site. I passed this around to a few other DJs on my station (not really MINE, but you get the picture), and they are now adding it on their playlists to play on the air. This song encouraged me to register on the forums after about 8 months of downloading various songs. You sir, have a GREAT talent, and have put it to good use. And for the love of humanity, tell me you will do more like this.
8O WOW! this is a great piece! It helps if your into a jazzy kind of mood, but the music mixes well and you should have no problem getting into jazzfunktechnobeat of the song. The vocals are awesome too, so an all around excellent remix!
BeanbagSkratchbob
03-13-2003, 05:13 AM
Wow, this is HOT!
I am a big fan of both vocal jazz and trip-hop. THIS I could listen to for days.
GlockMonkey
03-13-2003, 07:03 AM
I don't have the knowledge to technically critique a musical piece and saying: "Wow, this is a great mix! Keep up the good work!" feels a little trite, so I'll say something else.
Ben, this mix was stuck in my head all day long today. It's dark, eerie, yet somber atmosphere somehow hit close to home, and it slowly started to make me feel depressed. And even though I was kind of sad, I still couldn't stop thinking about it, nor did I want to stop. You could say, it was kiiling me, but I loved it (cookie to whoever gets the reference :wink: ). It stuck with me while driving to class, during midterms, lunch, study session, and it's in my head now. Most likely, I'll hear it in my sleep. And I can't think of a better compliment than that.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go download whatever I can find from this "Portishead", of which you speak. :)
wethamster
03-13-2003, 01:44 PM
ok this is my first post in this forum so ill use it to honor this GREAT remix i mean its the best thing ive heard so far on this wonderfull site with plenty of intresting music
my only coment is...........WOW im speachless ive played the game and heard the ending credits music but i never knew it could be made this way and ive been curently listening to this remix ever since it got upddated on the site i cant belive it im not tired of listening to it yet
Solid Krono
03-13-2003, 04:31 PM
OK, I never write reviews like this, but—
What the hell? Ok people, the songs good, but not THAT good. I mean, there really isn't anything amazing about it. Maybe I'm just being biased because I'd already heard the song and didn't like it, but come on. The singing clips, they don't blend together. I don't know if the remixer did that purposely or not, but it doesn't sound good that way. And as far as the best remix on the site? No way. I'm not even keeping it. But everone to their own I suppose...
EDIT: BUT I do like it more then the original anyway, so good job.
Mother Goose
03-13-2003, 08:44 PM
Wow, my first review here, and a totally great song to boot. The song is soooo good at 2:00, I just love the whole, slow trip beat.
Disco Dan
03-13-2003, 09:27 PM
The hardest part of the mix was working out the chord sequence to underpin the vocals, I'm not sure its the same as the original track. Took me a couple of evenings looping the vocals and trying to finds the right chords. I'm a drummer first, and a very poor keyboard player so that was hard.
Indeed. That's the part I'm most impressed with. You took a totally acapella solo voice piece and added a chord progression and listenable rhythm. Very impressive considering how little there was to work with in the original. Actually, come to think of it, the original is really dry and boring (though I guess it's part of the atmosphere) and I can actually listen to this one. Just never was a fan of solo vocal music.
As for the choppiness and cutting of the vocals/sounds, that's part of the genre. If you don't like it, you wouldn't like the genre. Good stuff.
D
*Listens to remix*
Oh my GOD.
Solid Krono
03-14-2003, 01:49 AM
Here's the reason it's so "good". He took a great song (by some people) and added some of his own stuff to it. Yes the middle section is all his, but the rest is the Can't Say Goodbye To Yesterday (MGS 2) song. Instead of looking at the Blue Prints of the building and useing it as reference, he just simply built around the building, therefore having this "magnificent" song where like half of it is the exact original. That's how I see it anyway.
And yes I know that's what remixing can be, but I don't like how it's getting so much praise for something it didn't really do.
wethamster
03-14-2003, 06:29 AM
And yes I know that's what remixing can be, but I don't like how it's getting so much praise for something it didn't really do.[/size]
could be you think that but i like this piece of music its quite pleasing to listen to and i dint get tired of it it got my full respect and the griddy sound in the background makes a nice efect to the remix to it sorta reminds me of silent hiil when monsters get near you and the static from the radio gets louder :wink:
Ben Cousins
03-14-2003, 01:33 PM
Instead of looking at the Blue Prints of the building and useing it as reference, he just simply built around the building, therefore having this "magnificent" song where like half of it is the exact original. That's how I see it anyway.
Absolutely, that's exactly what I did. That's why I enjoy remixing. I've written hundreds of songs in my life, but remixing enables you to concentrate on other aspects of music creation (textures and arrangement).
Sparh4wk
03-14-2003, 06:56 PM
I would just like to say that the lyrics might sound bad to someone who has not experienced the feelings the woman is singing about. I did not play the game this is from, not only that, but I have a hard time seeing how the lyrics have anything to do with the game haha. To me, the woman is singing about the fine line between love and hate. That means a lot to me because I am experiencing that feeling right now. The stars and the sky are a constant dream state that one might experience when trying to seperate their feelings, or perhaps the endless amounts of time and space before their eyes, a reflection of one's own uncomrehendable feelings. One's interpretation of lyrics is nothing more than a reflection of one's feelings. I knew those english classes would come in handy! Ever have to read a poem and analyze it? Ugh!
I enjoy this piece of music, and would like to give my thanks to Ben Cousins for sharing it with us. It is excellent in my humble opinion, and has been on my playlist since it was posted. Sometimes it sits alone on my playlist. Anyway, keep up the great work, I expect even better from you next time around haha :D
Ryan8bit
03-16-2003, 07:00 PM
Are the drums supposed to sound overcompressed?
Ben Cousins
03-19-2003, 02:48 PM
Yes.
Kamikaze Noodle
03-24-2003, 07:18 AM
This mix is great. Haunting, and trippy. It's amazing what Ben's done with what little he had. It puts every song I've ever made to shame. It's funny that something this great can be found on the same site as something as horrendous as One Winged Techno http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00185
And in response to Solid Snake's statements that "everything but the middle section isn't his" and "half of it is the exact original", everything but the melody is Ben's. Which is a lot more than can be said for the majority of mixes on this site, where some people take everything but the bass line from a song. (but there's nothing wrong with that) So while it's ok to have an opinion like, "I don't like this song", don't be insultin a remixer's skillz. =|
Kamikaze Noodle
03-29-2003, 08:44 AM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but Harry Gregson-Williams did not write this particular song. I think it was written by Rika Muranaka. =)
kamikaze noodle is right, rika muranaka made the original track and the singer is carla white.
as for the remix itself, i have to agree with the others and praise it. however it's not even on the "arrangement" line anymore since it deviates from the original so much. so basically it's one of thsoe remixes that literally re-invent and compose the track.. but hell! i enjoy those too :)
i don't know if djp was right comparing this track to portishead, but it has a similar vibe and feel in some spots. very nice sounds and ideas thrown in there, and decent production. however, i think that you've gone a bit nuts with most reverb levels, i sometimes wished the mix was "fatter". :) also, some of the cuts and percussion breaks/hits felt odd, i'm a fan of idm, trip-hop and experimental stuff but i thought the sudden breaks/hits didn't work so well in that track.
very nice job as a whole though, nice trip-hop skills :) thumbs up.
Sammy D
06-24-2003, 07:24 PM
I'm not listening to his advice any more, I hate this. Please no more lyrics.
edit: wow, it's been a loooong time since I first posted this, and I just went back to my posts, and saw this at the end, so I clicked on it, downloaded the song again, and rembered why I deleted it in the first place. Yes it sounds like it took alot of work, and maybe these techniques would work applied to another song, but it just doesn't sound good. Also, Take away the lyrics, and you have a really repetitive song.
and this really shouldn't have been in the MGS game at all. It needed to be more celtic singing, wich is definetly more MGS like
Sockatume
06-24-2003, 08:19 PM
Ah, the lyrics. On their own, as they were in the MGS2 ECTS 2000 and E3 2001 trailers, they're fairly... I don't know, sad, lonely.
In the game itself, on the other hand, they're part of a fairly jarring jazz end theme which is just the bewildering cherry on a very confusing finale cake.
TheDDRGuru
06-30-2003, 07:30 PM
Alright, first I'm gonna start off by saying thank you for remixing something from MGS2. But in contrast to that, I'd like to say- What the heck have you DONE, man?? Ok, that's a bit harsh I admit. But seriously, "Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday" (the ending theme of mgs2 which was used, and isn't really that hard to get a hold of, djpretzel), which is pretty much jazz/soul, mixed with syth?? :banghead: Honestly, how would that look at the end of MGS2 when all the (silent) scenery of NYC slides by at a nice even pace, TRYING to give an overall feel or relaxation and peace, but with synthesized beats over it? I dunno, maybe I'm just a hopeless Metal Gear fanatic, but I think the original 7:37 Cant' Say Goodbye To Yesterday, with nice relaxing piano and sax music, put over the slow scrolling of the ending images, gives more of a feeling of accomplishment and tranquility. And ok, I KNOW it's a remix and that it's not supposed to neccessarily fit in with the game, but still, I'm anal about things like this. And remember, this is only my opinion, so take that however you want. 8) ...But I say again-- :vomit:
LibertyCabbage
10-28-2003, 02:08 AM
very nice song, one of the best on the site... I'm surprised I like it but I do :D
Well of course it has lyrics - its a remix of the end credits, i dont know why someone said this song was originally voice only - theres the piano which is also in this remix.
This SHOULD have been the end credits - i mean the original is cool and all but damn this just adds that bit of MGS style that people who finished MGS2 (like myself) deserve.
(Raiden is the bomb)
ChronoXL
12-09-2003, 03:41 PM
This SHOULD have been the end credits - i mean the original is cool and all but damn this just adds that bit of MGS style that people who finished MGS2 (like myself) deserve.
I'd have to agree... this is arguably one of the best songs on here, and the way it sounds just makes me wanna sing with it... and I'm not much of a singer
Mr.Sullivan
12-11-2003, 03:23 PM
This Song is fantastic!!!
I really like the Lyrik and the soft beats!
Chill-Out music rocks, good reMix, RESPEcT !!!
8)
FreedomForTheMasses
12-18-2003, 03:59 PM
The Bristol Mix is kinda cool, but is there anyone out there besides me that thinks: how is this a metal gear remix? i may be being mean, but I found it kinda hard to tell 8O
TheDuke
12-25-2003, 05:02 AM
Brilliance - The track is so different to most others I've heard recently... and I thought Mr_44's Rez Fear Remix was original, but this is just on a whole different level. It's easy to tell this is an end credits remix unless you've never got to the end of the game, or if you havent watched the end credits. What's with the West Bristol thing? I actually live in the Bristol area of the UK, so I found the title quite amusing...
GeckoYamori
12-25-2003, 11:48 AM
It's called West Bristol because it's like the mother area of Trip Hop.
Being
11-19-2004, 01:27 AM
WOW. I don't quite remember this song, but it works great with the electronic portion. Well done, old chap, well done.
mecca
04-05-2005, 08:29 AM
Terrific. One of the best. When I explain to people that I prefer OC-Remixes to actual music, they look at me as if I'm listening to 8-bit samples - Mr Cousins is the epiphamy of OCR, in that you can listen to videogame music anywhere if it's produced well enough - triumphant. This is not just my favourite OC-Remix, it's my favourite song period.
Congratulations Ben! Keep up the good work!
Less Ashamed Of Self
07-24-2005, 03:23 AM
No fighting this one... One of OCR's best. An amzing track that deserves the attention of ANYONE who loves this kind of music.
A phenomenal track.
watkinzez
11-10-2005, 10:04 PM
Did I comment on this one? Apparently not. Excellent song. Amazing genre conversion. Some people may say it repeats ad verbatim, but it doesn't really need much more in my opinion. One thing though, after going back to the original version (I played Substance in 2004), I felt that only using a fraction of the lyrics was holding the remix back from its full potential. I understand that the voice clips were taken from the trailer, though, which only had the first two lines. I think I can forgive you. :wink:
Knotan
03-11-2006, 02:52 AM
This song is so.. so. so damn good.. It almost make me cry. >Well im drunk when i write this but i have heard this song before and its just. damn to good. Sounds like a theme song to an old James bond movie. and man i love James Bond movies (the old ones). keep it up. this is clearly one of the best songs on OCremix.. Love you.
way back when this came out, it was one of the first songs i got from OCR. i had it on all of my mix cds and fell asleep to it on occasion too.
it's a perfect embodiment of the triphop/portishead sound. i love it to death.
zircon
04-04-2006, 02:29 AM
Direct rip mixed with default Reason drumloop.. uhh, wow? Did I miss something here?
err, it's not a direct rip at all. have you listened to the original?
i can understand complaints with reliance on the vocal sample, but to say it's a direct rip is really pushing it.
zircon
04-04-2006, 02:44 AM
Yes, I have the MGS2 soundtrack. I suppose I should have said "too much reliance on direct sampling".
GrayLightning
04-04-2006, 04:48 PM
BVWB
PassivePretentiousness
04-24-2006, 08:41 AM
The hardest part of the mix was working out the chord sequence to underpin the vocals, I'm not sure its the same as the original track. Took me a couple of evenings looping the vocals and trying to finds the right chords. I'm a drummer first, and a very poor keyboard player so that was hard.
Indeed. That's the part I'm most impressed with. You took a totally acapella solo voice piece and added a chord progression and listenable rhythm. Very impressive considering how little there was to work with in the original. Actually, come to think of it, the original is really dry and boring (though I guess it's part of the atmosphere) and I can actually listen to this one. Just never was a fan of solo vocal music.
As for the choppiness and cutting of the vocals/sounds, that's part of the genre. If you don't like it, you wouldn't like the genre. Good stuff.
D
zircon: is this track really as simple as you insist. One of the toughest judges ever suggested otherwise.
well, i really don't think the complexity is in question (as zircon meant to say overreliance on sampling). As many have pointed out, the backing music that BC did add does follow the chord structure/melody of the original, albeit moving it from a jazz piece to triphop instrumentation. The arrangement of the original is there - which is impressive given that BC was working with a clip of the song and not the actual song.
The issue at hand is the direct sampling of the source. In this case, I feel that the genre adaption/processing on the vocals does help a lot. I mean, it's not like he ripped the track and pasted it over his mix. He built a new song around it - while still keeping to the progression of the original - in a completely different style. In my opinion, this song fits under OCR's guidelines moreso than the other song on OCR to do this - Jared Hudson's FFX remix, which was contested during the last lockdown and ended up being kept on the site. Going back and rereading all the lockdown decisions on that song, I can pretty much apply everything said to this track.
zircon
04-26-2006, 09:24 PM
I don't think it's really even being contested. Taking a rip and adding your own stuff under it is just not what this site is about any moreso than the Black Lodge remix is. Basically this was one of our criteria when considering mixes; if you took out all the directly sampled material, what would you be left with? In this case, basically nothing.
Ben Cousins
06-02-2006, 02:29 PM
Nice to know you guys are still enjoying this mix!
watkinzez
08-06-2006, 01:57 PM
It survived!
What I mean to say is I still love this song.
mecca
08-15-2006, 08:15 PM
Enjoying this mix you say Ben? Enjoying it? Dude, I start most days listening to this genius.
Many thanks for this fantastic tune.
Solanalos
09-22-2006, 01:22 AM
It's been a while since I've listened to this. It's still gold :D
Jaybell
07-25-2008, 02:57 AM
The writeup of this mix made me discover Portishead which I am very grateful for.
And the mix itself is pretty freaking sexy too.
phatzilla
07-25-2008, 04:10 AM
Holy shit i'm an idiot...how do you actually download this remix?
dashafiyah
10-29-2008, 03:38 AM
I'm bloody upset this is one of the first mixes I ever got from this site years ago because I can't see how anyone can top it. I'm very happy to see bencousins are still checking the reviews because I think this track needs to be put up against some of the WORLD'S BEST video game tracks and not only can it hold it's own, I still truly believe this tops them. I've played it for people who swore it was a commercial song. Hell, *I* still have to remind myself it's not. Take pride in this masterpiece, Bencousins....take pride.
An absolutely SMASHING song
Pretty cool, I like the chords and atmosphere, cool effects and the beat works too. I am ambivalent about the prominent sampling from the game soundtrack itself, as I don't think that'd really fly these days, but It really does work.
MechaFone
12-21-2010, 03:36 AM
Makes me wonder if I'm filled with love or if I'm just hurt and pain. Non-clever referencing aside, I really love this song. I remember listening to it over and over and over again when I lived in Hawaii and worked the late shift with nothing else to do.
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