OiNK is dead

[herograw]

official:
http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/20071023.html

other:
http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/display.var.1779471.0.police_swoop_to_close_down_i llegal_website.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm
http://in.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idINIndia-30120020071023

Well, that was just a matter of time. I'd like to note, however, that the articles are incorrect about many aspects of the site in general. I will list the inconsistencies if anyone is interested.

One thing I will say is that it's funny how much the article focuses on OiNK's distribution of prerelease albums (totaling 60 this year) as though that was the main function of the site. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of users didn't come to the site for, say, the million other music, application, ebook, or sound library torrents on the site, all of consistently high quality.

[Wipomatic]

"This is an infringement of copyright law that in financial terms causes immeasurable lost to record companies"
Awww, poor record companies.

[megadave]

Good. If someone released a pirated copy of my album before release date, which I would make no money off of, I would want them shut down too. I don't care what else they do. That's enough for me to say "Fuck them".

[Bahamut]

Meh, no huge loss...I've never been impressed with the music offerings on oink.

[DarkeSword]

"This is an infringement of copyright law that in financial terms causes immeasurable lost to record companies"
Awww, poor record companies.
Stealing from a douchebag is still stealing.

The law protects saints and sinners alike.

[Dhsu]

Meh, no huge loss...I've never been impressed with the music offerings on oink.
Right on cue...

[Fritz the Cat]

And yet, if I mention using Limewire, I get shit on.


Seriously, screw you guys.

[Citris]

And yet, if I mention using Limewire, I get shit on.


Seriously, screw you guys.

moer liek LAMEwire

[Bahamut]

And yet, if I mention using Limewire, I get shit on.


Seriously, screw you guys.

You mentioned it with the implication that nobody should pay for music. That's what you got shitted on for.

[Citris]

You mentioned it with the implication that nobody should pay for music. That's what you got shitted on for.

I've always liked "shat" as the past tense of shit.

[Arek the Absolute]

And yet, if I mention using Limewire, I get shit on.


Seriously, screw you guys.

get over it

[herograw]

Meh, no huge loss...I've never been impressed with the music offerings on oink.

RoooooooFL of course not.

Was it because they didn't truly have a wide selection of music? Wait, no. I even recall seeing "Antigravity" on there (no, I didn't download, thank you).

Huh, maybe it had to do with poor quality? Unlikely; they pretty much had 3 to 4 different copies of each album in varying quality running the gamut from 192kbps to lossless which, if you enjoy music from ocremix, should be enough.

Okay, maybe your dislike had to do with torrent speeds. Then, again, considering I could start and finish an album before iTunes loaded, that's probably not the case.

Maybe you just didn't like it because it's somehow cool in this day and age to not like something that's obviously and undeniably good at what it does, regardless of where it stands morally.

[anosou]

Rest in peace.
I still believe OiNK made people buy albums.

[eternal Zero]

RoooooooFL of course not.

Was it because they didn't truly have a wide selection of music? Wait, no. I even recall seeing "Antigravity" on there (no, I didn't download, thank you).

Huh, maybe it had to do with poor quality? Unlikely; they pretty much had 3 to 4 different copies of each album in varying quality running the gamut from 192kbps to lossless which, if you enjoy music from ocremix, should be enough.

Okay, maybe your dislike had to do with torrent speeds. Then, again, considering I could start and finish an album before iTunes loaded, that's probably not the case.

Maybe you just didn't like it because it's somehow cool in this day and age to not like something that's obviously and undeniably good at what it does, regardless of where it stands morally.

Now...I'm not sure if you decided to combat his sarcasm with more sarcasm or you missed his completely...

Regardless, OiNK was pretty sweet and it'll surely be missed. Definitely not the end of the world, though.

[herograw]

Now...I'm not sure if you decided to combat his sarcasm with more sarcasm or you missed his completely...

Regardless, OiNK was pretty sweet and it'll surely be missed. Definitely not the end of the world, though.

nah, I just sort of used it as an excuse to voice what I liked about oink :P

Besides, his words didn't hint at sarcasm. Perhaps one would know Bahamut was being sarcastic due to previous situations in which he said something similar, but to be truthful I'm still trying to figure out who he is and how exactly he became a mod.

I've heard soooo many people say pretty much exactly what he said, being totally serious about it. Generally, these people prefer slsk.

[Bahamut]

RoooooooFL of course not.

Was it because they didn't truly have a wide selection of music? Wait, no. I even recall seeing "Antigravity" on there (no, I didn't download, thank you).

Huh, maybe it had to do with poor quality? Unlikely; they pretty much had 3 to 4 different copies of each album in varying quality running the gamut from 192kbps to lossless which, if you enjoy music from ocremix, should be enough.

Okay, maybe your dislike had to do with torrent speeds. Then, again, considering I could start and finish an album before iTunes loaded, that's probably not the case.

Maybe you just didn't like it because it's somehow cool in this day and age to not like something that's obviously and undeniably good at what it does, regardless of where it stands morally.

Well, it was 2 years ago or so when I checked it out, and it kinda sucked back then - I could find everything on it back then easily elsewhere. Maybe it improved since then, I have no idea. I dislike the idea of private trackers to begin with.

[anosou]

Well, it was 2 years ago or so when I checked it out, and it kinda sucked back then - I could find everything on it back then easily elsewhere. Maybe it improved since then, I have no idea. I dislike the idea of private trackers to begin with.

I like private trackers. Mostly because that's the only way to make sure uploaded stuff is actually seeded. when I search pirate bay all the obscure stuff has NO SEEDERS. sure if I want that crappy simpsons movie I have five sources, but I don't.

[Dhsu]

When you can't find what you want on torrents, DC++ is usually the way to go.

[anosou]

When you can't find what you want on torrents, DC++ is usually the way to go.

yeah, but I'm scared of DC++
and I see nothing bad with closed torrent communities as long as it's possible to somehow get an invite, and honestly it's not hard.

anyway, this discussion is highly illegal isn't it? :D

[Bahamut]

When you can't find what you want on torrents, DC++ is usually the way to go.

Yeah, Direct Connect has been my filesharing method of choice for a long time, although I haven't used it much as of late. I'm somewhat out of the loop with filesharing, since I've been on a Macbook for the past year or so...although I just got a 1 TB hard drive, which I aim to fill with music in the next few months.

anyway, this discussion is highly illegal isn't it? :D

We're not linking any illegal content :P - not to mention not all filesharing is illegal

[Global-Trance]

I kinda like private trackers. A good way for me to get DJ promos months and months and months in advance... especially the ones in promo pools I'm not a part of. Also far less seeding problems...

[Radiowar]

OiNK was great for obscure and out of print stuff. It was like digital crate digging. Gonna miss it.

[anosou]

YAY NOT ILLEGAL!

This is developing in to an interesting topic ;P

[anclunn]

The sadness is now that I'm hearing about oink, I'm upset that I didn't hear about it until it was shut down.

[AbyssWyrm]

The sadness is now that I'm hearing about oink, I'm upset that I didn't hear about it until it was shut down.

You should be thankful you weren't a member WHEN they shut it down.

[Effef]

Oh well, on to G2P.

[Goten X]

Shoot, I never got an invite to OiNK. Oh well, my main man Fuzzy Slippers will get me my obscure and hard to find stuffs.

[Darth Lime]

Shoot, I never got an invite to OiNK. Oh well, my main man Fuzzy Slippers will get me my obscure and hard to find stuffs. So he's like you dealer, eh?

[Drack]

Never used it. Never cared.

I don't pirate music.

[Legion303]

I got invites to OiNK, but I turned them down; P2P is a great way to get sued, even if it's "private."

All you people who had accounts there better hope the guy didn't store logs.

-steve

[supremespleen]

Never used it. Never cared.

I don't pirate music.Only DS games?

[atmuh]

"A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's users"

prepare to possibly get owned

[Dhsu]

Only DS games?
Hahaha, face.

Although that only reminds me of sad I am that the CycloDS is still out of stock. :(

[Fritz the Cat]

"A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's users"

prepare to possibly get owned

Even if I'd ever used the site (I'd never heard of it before today), I'd have nothing to worry about: file-sharing is legal in Canada.

The gist of the law goes something like this:'It's not our fault the stuff is available for download; we didn't put it there, so we can't be punished for downloading it'.

[Equinox]

They had a lot of rare/hard to find albums that i couldn't find elsewhere. Sucks they got owned.

[Sauzer]

OiNK was awesome and had by far the best selection of any reasonably simple to access tracker. I'm bummed it got killed but my ratio was about to get me in trouble anyway so I don't mind.

On to the next big site, eh fellows?

[Goten X]

So he's like you dealer, eh?
You know it, homie.

[Sauzer]

repostin from unmod.org
i was lurking the channel they had set up on some terrible network and OiNK himself came in, fresh off bail. Long story short, there was a bot net attack and the servers all split.

Here's OiNK's testimony on the matter:
http://dot-slash-csc.iblogger.org/oinkfaq.html

oh and oink forums:
http://www.ohax.com/phpBB2/index.php

edit: the forums have nothing illegal, mods

[Drack]

Only DS games?

Honestly? Games, software, and the occasional anime.

No music, no movies I can see locally.

[anosou]

Honestly? Games, software, and the occasional anime.

No music, no movies I can see locally.

you're almost as nice as Jesus Christ.
all hail Drack

[herograw]

I got invites to OiNK, but I turned them down; P2P is a great way to get sued, even if it's "private."

All you people who had accounts there better hope the guy didn't store logs.

-steve

They only sue little girls and the elderly.

[shikigami]

Stealing from a douchebag is still stealing.

yeah but those douchebags steal a good $15 from the consumer for charging $20 a CD.

[Kanthos]

yeah but those douchebags steal a good $15 from the consumer for charging $20 a CD.

And since they're the ones making the music, they have the right to charge what they want. Paying $20 voluntarily isn't being robbed; it's choosing to use your money in a manner you deem to be less than efficient.

[SomeCrazyGuy]

yeah but those douchebags steal a good $15 from the consumer for charging $20 a CD.

Much like how cars probably only cost $1000 to make, but charge 10,000-20,000 new? Also, the same can easily be said of videogames, except now they charge $50 for the disk, rather than just $20. Oh, how about with most BASIC LIFE NECCESITIES that probably profit twice the production value? By your logic you seem to think that if they overcharge someone else for something, you say that's enough to legitimize not paying for the product yourself.

Pretending EVERY one of them is the 'douchebag' you make them out to be, you are still stealing, making up excuses doesn't change the fact that you are obtaining a product someone worked for the purpose of selling... Doesn't matter if its food, a video game, music, movies, etc., it is stealing.

But I suppose this is a matter, not of whether or not it is stealing, but of what is more just: To be injusticed by unneccesarily high prices to obtain art, or to injustice the artist by accepting the art without having paid the artist for their work.

Or, easier said:

Is it more moral to be ripped off $20 for a $5 disk, or
Is it more moral to rip off the artist by getting what was on the $5 disk for free?

[shikigami]

And since they're the ones making the music, they have the right to charge what they want. Paying $20 voluntarily isn't being robbed; it's choosing to use your money in a manner you deem to be less than efficient.

but whats the other choice? oh right, stealing it for free.