View Full Version : Reminder: The judges are not the WIP forum...
zircon
11-29-2007, 10:27 PM
Lately we have received a number of resubmissions very shortly after the original remixes were rejected. While we encourage people to resubmit, please keep in mind a few things.
1. When we reject a remix, even IF we ask for a resubmit, we expect you to seriously and carefully look over our advice. Don't just go back to your track, tweak some knobs, and resubmit. Use the WIP forums, #ocrwip on IRC, and the Remixing forum to get help on specific issues.
2. There is a three week wait required between submissions. We have been lax on this lately, but not anymore.
The judges panel is not the WIP forum. We do not want to hear every minor update or revision to your rejected remix. It is a waste of our time and a waste of your time. Most successful resubmissions we receive are sent after the remixer gets extensive feedback from others and spends genuine time on trying to improve based on our advice.
Bahamut
11-30-2007, 01:04 AM
Sure it isn't because you and Larry were bragging about having voted on all of the tracks? :razz:
DarkeSword
11-30-2007, 01:29 AM
Sure it isn't because you and Larry were bragging about having voted on all of the tracks? :razz:
Pretty sure it's because people are resubmitting way too fast. :P
The Pezman
11-30-2007, 01:38 AM
I dunno if most submitters frequent the forums.
You might just be preaching to the choir.
With any luck they do. That said, the message I get from zircon's post is that you're supposed to "READ" the guidelines before submitting your remix. Apparently they're reading, but they're missing the part about resubmission if your remix is rejected.
Captain Obvious, standing by!
The Coop
11-30-2007, 01:49 AM
You bitch about how much stuff there is to do, then you bitch about being given new stuff to do once you've done all the previous stuff. I suppose next you'll be bitching about having nothing to do once people stop resending their songs. Then you'll start bitching about your own bitching about stuff. Next comes being called a whiny bitch, and finally, you'll be bitching in circles about the bitching of bitching about stuff from whiny bitches bitching about bitching until it rips through the fabric of our reality... ending bitching as we humans have come to know it.
GAWD! YOU'RE JUST NEVER HAPPY!
DragonAvenger
11-30-2007, 02:03 AM
You bitch about how much stuff there is to do, then you bitch about being given new stuff to do once you've done all the previous stuff. I suppose next you'll be bitching about having nothing to do once people stop resending their songs. Then you'll start bitching about your own bitching about stuff. Next comes being called a whiny bitch, and finally, you'll be bitching in circles about the bitching of bitching about stuff from whiny bitches bitching about bitching until it rips through the fabric of our reality... ending bitching as we humans have come to know it.
GAWD! YOU'RE JUST NEVER HAPPY!
This made me lol.
The Damned
11-30-2007, 02:14 AM
Ahh, The Coop. Sometimes, you remind me why I even bother with the internet.
ifirit
11-30-2007, 02:22 AM
GAWD! YOU'RE JUST NEVER HAPPY!
Quoted for the 10 character emphasis.
Monobrow
11-30-2007, 03:17 AM
hahahahahaa
DarkeSword
11-30-2007, 03:29 AM
You guys like to joke, but seriously, please keep it in mind if your mix has recently been rejected. If it were as simple as tweaking a few knobs to make your mix passable, we wouldn't reject it; we'd give you conditional YESes and contact you about the issues so that we could get the mix passed.
Getting a mix rejected means that there are issues with it that aren't quickly fixable, even if we put the word "resub" after the big NO.
ifirit
11-30-2007, 04:16 AM
Hey!
Listen!
Read the Resub Guidelines!
Anyone else getting that vibe?
Skrypnyk
11-30-2007, 04:55 AM
no, not really.
*resubs bubbob mix*
about:blank
11-30-2007, 04:56 AM
Hey!
Listen!
Read the Resub Guidelines!
Anyone else getting that vibe?
NO .
Strike911
11-30-2007, 05:26 AM
I wonder what the resubmitted mix was that prompted this thead.... where the judges were like, "OH SHIT THIS CRAP IS PISSING ME OFF.... FOR REALZ, WE NEED TO TELL THOSE N00BS STFU WITH THEIR BAD RESUBS! BLLLARG!! BITCHES!"
and then we were like "YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR."
and they were like "HAIL THE MIGHTY JUDGES FOR WE SHALL JUDGE THEE ... UNWORTHY!"
and we were all like, "OMG!!!!!"
and they were like "....... bitches."
and then we were like, sad, and so we listened to them... and then we laughed a little.
.... and then we got called "bitches" again.
zircon
11-30-2007, 02:37 PM
For the record, this wasn't prompted by just one remix or one remixer, and the people that have been doing it actually do browse the forums.
Sir_NutS
11-30-2007, 03:09 PM
It wasn't me, it was the one arm man!
Geoffrey Taucer
11-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Been a good six months (probably longer) since I've subbed anything, so I know it's not me.
ellywu2
11-30-2007, 06:08 PM
I'm guilty of this with my latest. Apologies, I was unaware of the time limit for submissions.
They were *amazing* knobs though.
Geoffrey Taucer
11-30-2007, 07:10 PM
it was me. sorry guys.
Fucking n00b. I should have known.
you know, judge hate is very 2004
i think darkesword and zircon have put it well enough that anybody and everybody ought to understand what the problem is and the difference between a RESUBMIT and a Conditional YES. i think any argument and/or resistance on the issue is done for the sake of doing so and not from any legitimate standpoint.
if we wanted you to simply increase the volume and send it back to us, we'd have told you to do so. it's really that simple. i, admittedly, may not be the most helpful in this department but zircon, liontamer, bgc, and others have been perennial champions of giving advice, detailed suggestions as to what to do to your mixes to get them ready.
now what's so hard to understand about that?
absolutely nothin, me thinks.
Doulifée
11-30-2007, 07:18 PM
Sure it isn't because you and Larry were bragging about having voted on all of the tracks? :razz:
Pretty sure it's because people are resubmitting way too fast. :P
Deuce. Service Bahamut. :razz:
Tensei
11-30-2007, 07:23 PM
I certainly hope it wasn't my resub that tipped the scales and urged you to write this, cuz I'm going to be resubbing sometime next week again if everything goes according to plan o_O
zircon
11-30-2007, 08:02 PM
This definitely was not addressed at any one person, as I said, we've seen a rash of it lately.
SwordBreaker
11-30-2007, 08:25 PM
Even though I never submitted to OCR before, I've noticed that not all remixes get enough feedback in the WIP forum. Not that I'm blaming anyone here...it's just that there are some remixes which get attention and some that don't. That's the way it is with threads. So what should the ones which don't get attention do? Only thing is to resub based on the judges' comments.
Kureejii Lea
11-30-2007, 08:28 PM
Even though I never submitted to OCR before, I've noticed that not all remixes get enough feedback in the WIP forum. Not that I'm blaming anyone here...it's just that there are some remixes which get attention and some that don't. That's the way it is with threads. So what should the ones which don't get attention do? Only thing is to resub based on the judges' comments.
You can ask around on IRC and the like, other remixing community boards, among your own peers, direct people to the WIP post, etc.. The point isn't to not resubmit. It's to not resubmit without taking time and making significant changes.
The Legendary Zoltan
11-30-2007, 09:33 PM
If this is an occurrence that has only recently developed, then I know EXACTLY why it's happening. People are abusing the lack of queue. Just as the thread title suggests, they figure that the best advice they can get is from the actual vote of the judges themselves and since there is no queue they feel that they can submit as often as they want. Tensei san and I have actually joked about this before, but it looks like it's really happening. Time to re-realize our morals yo!
zircon
11-30-2007, 10:58 PM
Kureeijii summed it up... there is nothing wrong with resubmitting, and we will always give feedback on anything we receive. The issue is when we get resubs where clearly not enough thought has gone into them, and/or when people resub days after they get rejected which is and always has been against our rules (21 day wait period between subs.) There has been more of this lately, but people resubbing without getting more outside help is an old problem.
Now, we're aware that the WIP forum is not always the place to get the best or most accurate feedback. In fact, there's a discussion thread on the topic in the private judges' forum and we're thinking of ways to improve it. That being said, it's still better than just going off blind instinct. There are a number of other resources as well.
* The ReMixing forum. We very often reject things that have poor production. If we tell you your drums are no good, and you don't know how to fix them, the ReMixing forum is a great place to go to get help - after you read the stickies and the Guides & Tutorials forum of course. In fact, even more general arrangement questions can be asked here, such as "how can I take this melody and vary it more? here's an MP3 of what I have."
* #ocrwip on IRC. This channel has been getting more and more active and is less spam-filled than #ocremix. You have a very good chance of getting an active remixer willing to give you feedback on your tune here, provided you are patient and courteous.
* Posted remixers, via email, AIM, or the forums. If there is someone whose remixes you really like, and they appear to be active in the community, there's no reason you can't simply ask them for advice. I've done this all through my remixing career and there's no shame in it. Just be polite and be ready to accept if a particular person does not have time to help.
* #ocrwip on IRC. This channel has been getting more and more active and is less spam-filled than #ocremix. You have a very good chance of getting an active remixer willing to give you feedback on your tune here, provided you are patient and courteous.
Seconded. If you're looking for feedback, this is the best place to start in the OCR community, IMO.
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