OCR00991 - Final Fantasy IV 'Tororian Love Song'

[djpretzel]

What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

[Kamikaze Noodle]

:cry: It's so beautiful...I love how it grows from just Jason and his guitar, to a multi-layered rock song. Progression like that makes me feel like the song is going somewhere and I'm going with it. Which is good. And the vocals. Ahh yes, the vocals. They start out fine, but at 5:30 it makes me wanna cry it's so off-key. The lyrics were written nicely I must say, and overrall I can't really complain about the vocals. The musicianship was also very, unobtrusive, for lack of a better word. This pretty much is mediocre if you compared it to other songs of this genre, but the fact that it's based off a VG song makes it good. A good listen, and something new to add to your collection. (cuz I know you have one)

[Silent]

hello, and thank you so much dj pretzel for posting my song. as well as your candid review..

I am now doing a new version of this song, better mixed and better vocals (hopefully). I also have other plans for VG remixes, as well as some tidbits....

Ahh yes, the vocals. They start out fine, but at 5:30 it makes me wanna cry it's so off-key.

yes, indeed.. well, you see, not to make excuses, but I am a first take junkie, in the style of kurt cobain and neil young, and I have a problem with DOING THINGS OVER!! lol so, hopefully this as well as the unobstrusive (what does this mean anyway ;) ) musicianship will be solved. I am not a perfectionist, but I really do appreciate criticizm as i will really help me.

The lyrics were never meant to paralell the story of cecil the dark knight... it is certainly something i am going through.. but i realized later, thru the help of my friend, that these lyrics are very much like his plight in the game...

I would appreciate more criticism, and thank you kamikaze noodle, for yours :)

[Andrew]

Ooo! I love this one! I sure hope that many more like this come! The more I listen to it, the more I want to hear it again. ;) Very skillfull guitarism thoughout the entire piece. Though, I am having difficulty placing the lyrics to the game, but they are well placed. This needs to be done to many, many VG songs!! :D Perhaps, though, the vocals could be more interesting if many words ended with a vowel like Goldfinger does, "TO FALL APAAAARTAH." hee hee. :) I don't even know why I like that. ;)

[Kamikaze Noodle]

unobtrusive basically means it isn't bad enough to ruin the song, but now that I think of it, the guitar work was more like, "amazing". Especially now that you tell me its one take. I know this forum is only for reviews but I had to correct my stance on this song as my review made it sound like I didn't think it was as good as I think it is. AND PLEASE DO A NEW VERSION OF THIS SONG! :D :D

[Silent]

I sure hope that many more like this come!

you can bet on it :) I love this place, it inspires me.

Though, I am having difficulty placing the lyrics to the game

I could lyric by lyric give my interp, but just think of what cecil had to go thru in ff4

thank you andrew, for your compliments..

sorry if Im being annoying posting here over and over, but I like having an interchange wit ppl who chk my stuff out :)

[MoeFeaux]

It's definitely unique.

I am pretty darn sure I like it! (I'm always iffy on vocal songs from video games) but I can say for a fact that I DEFINITELY like the music going on behind the vocals. It's kind of a stairway to heaven-ish buildup from a slow solo guitar to a full blown rock ballad. I'll reserve judgement on the vocals, until I listen to it a few more times. (I'm a fan of harmony in vocals, GJ with that)

But anybody that can churn out a good seven minute song earns my respect.

/me tips his hat at you

GJ man

[Silent]

here i go again ...

now that you tell me its one take

well, I recorded all the tracks myself, but each track (guitar1, guitar2, lead guitar and etc.) is indeed one take.
its not a live band one take :)

ie.. it wasnt a band in a room, as you can prolly tell, I layed down the drums and piano (both sampled, played thru midi keyboard or sequenced) in FL studio 4.1, and then played bass one take, and then acoustic guitar one take, lead one take, and so on...

thanks noodle for your comments and definition.. I am tired and stupid. :)


(I'm always iffy on vocal songs from video games)

same here, I nearly choked on Eyes on Me, and Depend on You. but it grew on me lol

[The Author]

I don't mind the offkeyness if its beautiful.

The problem here is that the lyrics coul;d use a good rewrite.

Other than that, great job.

[bLiNd]

I dont really see whats to complain about, the lyrics are just plain awesome, very deep. And no one should complain about being offkey, u try singing it! Great work d00d -bLiNd

[herograw]

well, this has nothing to do with troia, which was kind of a let-down (i was really hoping someone would remix that theme).

however, this was pulled off so completely well that i soon forgot my first thoughts and just relaxed.

really, this is the kind of song where you really really hope that there were no vocal mistakes, yet you look for them anyways. to my surprise, there were no spots in which the singing ruined the remix.

my only real gripe was mentioned by vigilante in the judges decision. the piano could have been better during the guitar solo, but the good easily outweighed the bad. good stuff, and definitely worth a listen.

-rob

[liquidsm0ke]

Yah. Very awesome.

I really admire people who do mixes such as this...Doing everything themselves, including playing, mixing, editing, etc. Very well done, this is sticking in my playlist for quite some time.

[skulkrusha]

This is amazing. I love the acoustic part. I think I need to work on cleaning my own playing up now that I've heard this.

I'll take a stab in the dark and say you're still in your teens. Your voice is good, but I think it needs a little shining up. There might not be a lot you can do about it right now, give it a few years to develop. Whatever you do, don't stop singing!

There's a few places where the vocals sound out of tune from the main piece, and I can't tell you that I don't mind it. It's probably the one thing stopping me from burning it to a CD (although I'll probably grow to like it a lot more as I listen to it, and end up burning it anyway ... Same thing happened with the Rez mix).

You've got a really nice set of lyrics, having read through them ... Did you write them yourself?

I can't find anything wrong with the instrumental arangement. Brilliant.

Overall, this is a very solid piece. Well done!

[Dinobot 2]

Oh my god! Silent you are my hero!

1. A FF4 mix! I love when one gets submitted.

2. These lyrics are just great. You say it relates to you, but I could see it related to Cecil as well. ;)

3. The transitions through piece to piece are just awesome.

I hope you do the same sort of trend for other remixes. I think it would give you a nice brand for yourself.

10/10!

By the way can you post the lyrics to your remix here?

[Garian]

:o ...i haven't listened to anything like this in forever... used to be one of my favourite genres... i'd say it resembles the screaming trees alot more than alice in chains, however... but thats just me. very nice work for being a "first take" or something... i can't wait to hear an updated version

[Dinobot 2]

Updated version? Nah. I rather hear a sequal with another track being used.

[Dark Heart]

Not to bad, and yeah the beginning does sound a bit from a Led Zepplin song...just download this song. Not much can be commented since I just woke up....ugh

[StarBLaSt]

Excellent job recording and singing. What kinda equip did you use? Sounds great!

[deleted user]

here comes this new 'silent' guy,
with the best music on the entire site!

[DaleNorth]

Great, Great, Great, Great stuff! You have a very nice voice. Everything was stellar, lyrics included.

First off, 10x the normal points for putting yourself out there, voice and all. Its easy to be critical of someone doing this, but I can't see why, as no one is willing to do it themselves.

this is great and I've love to hear more like it- you got a fan here.


And, kinda ot, but I thought I had an original idea with this whole original lyrics over vg tunes, as I have created 2 in the past year. I just didn't have the balls to release them as I wasn't sure how original lyrics would be received. (Pharmacy does NOT count LOL) BUT, thanks to silent and Star Salzman, I think I'll go ahead and throw mine out there.

[A-RoN]

Very very very emotional, with the same layout as Led Zeplin's Stairway to Heaven (but with different chord arrangements). I'm not really a build-up kind of guy. I want a good smack in the face right away when it comes to music, but for a love song like this one, it's suitable. The guitars and drums are very well comstructed, and sounds very original compared to those of Creed, Nickelback, and Linkin' Park, even though there's a bit of resemblence.

But in general, when it comes to music, I don't want foreplay, I want the whole enchilada, right now!!!!

Good stuff from the silent guy. Not outstanding, but approved. A break from monotonous techno remixing.

[sgx]

Dude, very awesome! I need to learn to play the guitar and sing.... :(. I am quite impressed. The only sore spot is the singing around 5:30. Everything else is A+++++++ hot stuff!

PS. Why is it that every time there is a good rock mix or something, people start their bitchin about electronic music? Sheesh.

[GreatLeo]

Holy shit this is some pretty sweet tunage silent I didnt expect anyone to pull off something like this before!!. Awesome job on the vocals and guitar work definately one of the most unique remixes on this site by far! :D
Hope to hear more from you in the future!

[Ryan8bit]

It's pretty good. You could probably benefit from some extra takes and edits, perhaps some chorus filters on the voice, etc. But the idea is really great and this works very well as a piece.

[Atomic Dog]

I haven't been posting in awhile, but I HAVE been lurking/downloading, and I have to say... this is AWESOME.

You should be damn proud of yourself silent. Also, if you're interested, I know a REALLY talented young lady who has an amazing voice. I'm going to show her the piece and see if she might be interested in putting a female voice on it (or even a duet, I think, might sound really nice!)

Is this something you'd be interested in? If so, let me know. I'll totally try and arrange it if you're game.

[Majin GeoDooD]

Wow, this is very Stairway to Heaven-esque, but in a good way. Singing was also done pretty good, though I have a few gripes with the way it was sung.. 9/10 IMO.

[M@]

Wow. This is pretty damn awesome. You're remastering it? May I suggest that you up the volume on... uh... you, around 3:29 ~ 4:04 when the piece thickens up? You get drowned out a little, in comparison to the rest, and that's a damn shame. Other than that, I think the intro's a little long... you don't come in 'till 1:26, I think you could do so sooner.

Gripes outta the way. Wow. I think my favourite part of this is the solo 4:04 ~ 5:22. Great stuff.

[Shhteve]

This beautiful piece of work is definitely up there with Starblaze's Incredible Singing Robot.. but I still think that the robot is much better. Being an advanced choir student, there is still a lot you can learn about singing silent, I'm not saying you did a bad job or anything, you did a wonderful job.. But you can improve your singing the more you practice. I hope that you'll keep it up and learn to improve, I look forward to seeing more arrangements from you. :D

[Shhteve]

thanks to silent and Star Salzman, I think I'll go ahead and throw mine out there.

Hey Dale! I'm glad you decided to submit your works to OCR as well, finally, we're on the way to even more musical delight. :D

[Shhteve]

You should be damn proud of yourself silent. Also, if you're interested, I know a REALLY talented young lady who has an amazing voice. I'm going to show her the piece and see if she might be interested in putting a female voice on it (or even a duet, I think, might sound really nice!)


I know I'm not silent, but I know I would LOVE to see that happen, man! :D

[Dem]

I'm normally not too kind on the idea of taking songs and throwing lyrics in them when lyrics aren't needed (seeing as how I immediately listen to the instruments instead of the vocals), but Silent did a good job here. I must say - I'm pretty impressed, and I'm not impressed that easily.

If you're working on remastering this song and it doesn't make it on OCR, you must send me a copy.

[The_Clover]

Let me get the gripes outtaq the way first before I praise this song.

Piano was a bit misplaced in a few parts, and the points where it hit just suddenly with piano would've been better as transitioned. Also the ending notesof the piano at the end of song sorta gave me an 'Irk' feeling. You voice was pretty good, and I do agree that you're probably still pretty teen (around 18 or so). Put different kinds of empahsis on different words. I would have done it differently, but as I listen to it more, it settles in. I think i'm listening to it right now for the fourth time in a row :lol:

On a different note, I've heard my voice recorded and there were several moments where you sounded almost exactly like me. It was weird.

Anywho, this song kicked but. I love the main theme of FF4. It always gets me emotional and still stands as one my favorite pieces Uematsu has ever done. Everytime I hear it, I get tingly and weak inside because the song itself is heroically tragic. It's happy, but the kind of happy that happens just after you killed the beast but not before it slaughtered all your friends.

Yeah, so...sorry I can't explain it that well. Lyrics are amazing and I can see how they can be related to Cecil at different points. Alot of the time I related to it alot, with crap that I'm going through right now. ANd major props to doing original lyrics. You took an emotional song, and gave it lyrics you created from being stirred by this song.

I love this piece even more now and you for doing it. I await any cleaner version and future installments from you. Purely amazing work.

It kicks ass, Dark Knight style!

[Darkone]

Holy freaking crap this is a good song. I have had to fight the depths of hell to post to say how good this song is. I have no technical knowledge of music but this is by far one of the best remixes I have ever heard. I'm looking forward to seeing more stuff from silent in the future. Congrats on the song.

[danny B]

Alright, I know i'll get flamed or molested or put on gay porn mailing lists for this, but I can't really say this is as excellent as everyone else says. Good, yes, but there are too many problems that simply drag it down to sounding "exceedingly amateur" that could have been prevented, I think, with a bit more effort.

First off, I'm sorry man, but I don't dig the vocals at all. There are a couple parts that rock my socks off, but mostly, it's just a note-for-note lyrical line that struggles to stay on tune and is plagued by cliche'd and unimaginative lyrics.

Take for example -
"All this pain and hatred, never knowing from whence it came..... but playing this game, it's always the same"

"As I look into your eyes..."

I have heard this thousands of times. I hate cliche's in lyrics. Hate hate hate. And while i'm not a huge lyrics fan, they can negatively affect a song. Take Staind for example, because strangely enough, this song suffers from the same problems that make me hate Staind's music so much(don't worry man, this is better than Staind ;)). Great distortion guitar work, but the lack of any attempt on innovation within the genre and subpar singing with unimaginative lyrics absolutely kills it.

If you want my advice, and you probably don't, try thinking outside of the box for lyrics. Avoid lyrical taglines such as pain, anguish, fear, and fall apart unless they are in a suitable context. "All this pain and hatred", for example, just makes me squirm with discomfort at its blatant attempt to elicit emotional response from a few weakly presented words. Think about what you're trying to say in your lyrics, and express it as eloquently as you can. Lyricism is an art. And it isn't difficult to construe cliche'd lyrics as a distant cousin of plaigiarism. Basically what i'm saying is that the lyrics in this song are so homogenous that they could be in any song, and could be interpreted to mean anything. You said it follows Cecil's story, but with such open-ended language, It might as well follow Howard the Duck, because "As I look into your eyes" and "playing this game" could reference a billion different things. Simply put, however strong the emotion in your singing, it doesn't matter if your words mean nothing.

The acoustic guitar intro sounds more like the artist is struggling to play it correctly than trying to reinterpret the rhythm in his own musical experience. Sometimes the strings aren't being pressed hard enough, and give that nasty, "empty" sound.

The drums lack any dynamic depth, and could have added a great deal of rhythmic interest, but instead lay flat except for some contrived drum fills.

The piano sample is awful, and the arrangement is questionable. It sounds like the artist was trying to do some interesting things with dissonance, but it comes out as a jumbled mess that is hardly musical near the end. This is not to say that the piano completely sucked. There were several passages that insinuated a solid knowledge of chord structure.

I understand this is "one take" or whatever, but even then, it sounds like it was rushed and unrehearsed. Comparing this style to Kurt Cobain or Alice in Chains is ridiculous. Yes, those artists seemed to shoot for simplicity and spontenaity in their music, but they played their instruments with an energy and voice that simply fucking rocked. "Tororian Love Song" doesn't express any emotion to me. Maybe i'm being extra harsh because the FF4 overworld is one of my favorite songs ever, and improvement upon it is immensely difficult.

As I said, I'll probably be raked over the coals by a crowd of fanboys, but I assure my tone is not of dismissal, but of genuine criticism that I hope silent will not take as a personal attack. I invite you, silent, to AIM or Email me if you have any questions about my comments, i'd be glad to talk to you about it if you would like.

-SM

[zircon]

I like this song, but I don't think it's "incredible" in it's current form. Some of the harmonies sound off, like at about 5:00, and though the guitar playing is good, it's still a bit drab. I like being blasted with flowing audio, and though the song gets heavier later, it still just doesn't quite cut it. It's pretty amazing that you recorded a lot of this stuff in one take, but I'm really sensitive to off key notes, so a lot of your singing bothered me. Not to say that your voice isn't good, it sounds like you have talent. But at the moment, I would give this song a 6 out of 10. If you rerecord the vocals trying to stay on key, and spice up parts in the song here and there with synths or another guitar/drum layer, I think it would easily be a 10/10.

[SnappleMan]

Kick ass guitar playing.

Gay ass lyrics. Plus, the singing isn't the greatest around.

But yeah, the kick ass guitar arrangement alone is worth the praise.

[Silent]

ok theres a LOT to respond to here, as I just lost my internet connection cause of no money.

BTW, im 22, and I produce everything myself, this has been my first real year of recording on my computer, and I have a CD of 14 songs to show for it, most available at the website below :)


from rob:

well, this has nothing to do with troia

true, but the thing is, I had nothing else to name it, and i wanted it to do something with the ff4 world, so this stuck, I understand your confusion :)

from liquidsmoke:

Doing everything themselves, including playing, mixing, editing, etc

thank you for recognizing this, i think there are many out there that can criticize unfairly (which BTW I have not seen here) but not many who can actually walk the walk.

skulkrasha said:

I'll take a stab in the dark and say you're still in your teens

oops... must be real dark over there ;) I suggest you chk out my other stuff, perhaps ill seem older

Your voice is good, but I think it needs a little shining up

agreed. I was originally just on guitar, so my vocals need practice.

You've got a really nice set of lyrics, having read through them ... Did you write them yourself?


yes, they are totally mine, and i dont plan to change them :)

Dinobot 2 wrote"

By the way can you post the lyrics to your remix here?

they are on the page of the song, the words "original lyrics" are underlined.... just clik on that.

that was page one :)

[Silent]

starblast wrote:

What kinda equip did you use?

Vocal mic: NAdySCM1000 condenser

Preamp/compresser: behringer ultravoice

Fender 1979 california acoustic

Epiphone Les Paul

Fender Bullet

Behringer V-amp2

Drumkit from hell
Stienway B grand piano giga
Fruityloops 3.5.6 (now i upgraded to 4.1)

shure sm57

BEhringer mixer

all types of cheap stuff


.;-. wrote

here comes this new 'silent' guy,
with the best music on the entire site!

i...... dont think so :oops:


DAle north wrote

thanks to silent and Star Salzman, I think I'll go ahead and throw mine out there.

cant wait to hear it


Aaron comica wrote



But in general, when it comes to music, I don't want foreplay, I want the whole enchilada, right now!!!!

then my next remix is right up your alley, actually, the arrangement is exactly the opposite....


Atomic Dog wrote

You should be damn proud of yourself silent. Also, if you're interested, I know a REALLY talented young lady who has an amazing voice. I'm going to show her the piece and see if she might be interested in putting a female voice on it (or even a duet, I think, might sound really nice!)

NOW were talking :) that would be cooool!

this was page 2

[Silent]

and I do agree that you're probably still pretty teen (around 18 or so).

lol why do ppl think this???? :)

SysteManiac wrote:


First off, I'm sorry man, but I don't dig the vocals at all. There are a couple parts that rock my socks off, but mostly, it's just a note-for-note lyrical line that struggles to stay on tune and is plagued by cliche'd and unimaginative lyrics. [quote]




well, i didnt want to veer too much from the original melody, as i already had changed the chords a little, and wanted some real die hard fans to recognize it... and anyway, it changed at the end ;)
as far as unimaginative lyrics, i will give you

but playing this game, it's always the same

I agree, quite cliched. but its what i felt, and at the time i couldnt think of any other lyric that would fit better. if there would be something better , plz suggest it!!!

All this pain and hatred, never knowing from whence it came

dont remember hearing this one before, have you?

As I look into your eyes..."

ok, fine sure those words are cliched, but the context is more important

"its more like looking at myself, through someone else..."

sometimes looking at others that care about us can be like a mirror, cause they see things about you that you dont. that is what i was going through, and that is indeed what rosa and cecil went through.

(don't worry man, this is better than Staind ).

.....phew!!!! I almost died at that one...

[Silent]

systemaniac contd.

If you want my advice, and you probably don't

youre totally wrong there, i want everyones advice, thats worth money to me, trust me. :)

Avoid lyrical taglines such as pain, anguish, fear, and fall apart unless they are in a suitable context.

this isnt all i write about, but what if I am feeling these things and want to express them?? sorry, but i write what i feel nothing else, end of story.

You said it follows Cecil's story

not in those words i didnt.

I said, originally, I didnt mean for it to have ANYTHING to do with his story, but my friend pointed out some intresting paralells, and it seems to have alot in common.

Simply put, however strong the emotion in your singing, it doesn't matter if your words mean nothing.


good point, but how much more complex were kurt cobains lyrics???

momma take me home, momma take me home

im a stain.... im a stain....

Hey
wait
Ive got a new complaint

......

its the way he sang them.. if he sang without emotion, it would be the converse. the great words would mean nothing.

[SnappleMan]

then my next remix is right up your alley, actually, the arrangement is exactly the opposite....


Don't take this the wrong way, but I would enjoy your next mix alot more if it was an instrumental.

Being a guitarrist myself, I gotta give it up to you on the stuff you got in this piece. I just don't like the way you sing, or your choice in lyrics.

I'd love to hear an instrumental piece from you.

[Silent]

systemaniac contd 2

The drums lack any dynamic depth, and could have added a great deal of rhythmic interest, but instead lay flat except for some contrived drum fills.

yes, it is hard to work with these sampled drums... I wish I could just have a set in my bedroom of my apt. building, but its just not possible... the updated version may help this ;)

"Tororian Love Song" doesn't express any emotion to me.

to each his own... sometimes we just have to face the fact that not everyone is the same, and certain things evoke certain responses from certain ppl, and nothing else.

Maybe i'm being extra harsh because the FF4 overworld is one of my favorite songs ever, and improvement upon it is immensely difficult.


its my favorite as well, so I could understand your righteous indignation. ;)


snappleman wrote\

Gay ass lyrics.

ummmm ok, that constructive ;) what do you mean?

[SnappleMan]

Heh, well, what I mean is that your lyrics are cheesy, cliche, and have no real place in the song.

I know it's a love song, so you added lyrics that sounded like those of a love song.

I just think that you could have taken a bit more time with the writing and come up with some really well thought out lyrics.

Like I keep saying, I love your instrumental arrangement here, and for me, the lyrics just get in the way.

[Silent]

I know it's a love song, so you added lyrics that sounded like those of a love song

this is interesting to me... what are the lyrics of a love song?? Arent confusion, pain and frustration as much love as other love songs??

but i understand your point of view.. I dont agree with it, but that is just the way it is ;) thank you for not being a blind fan tho, and stating your opinion. I really appreciate that.

[The_Clover]

Wow, not around 18? Actually I was gonna say 19 or 20, and 19 is still teen years because it was the whole 'teen' at the end. I just thought you were around my age by like a year or so because there were so many times you sounded a bit like me...it was freaky.

I'll spare everyone from getting off topic with further inquiries about your voice since its more just out of my own personal insecurity.

I'm not good with criticism. I can't word things very well, by SysteManiac has seemed to cover that for us all. Agreed your voice isn't the best of them, but it didn't turn me off from the feeling of the song, which is the whole point. As for lyrics...I guess they do seem cliche...but then again, I never pay attention to lyrics that much. Maybe a thesaurus would come in handy? You could still keep the meaning with a more original word...

But I'm not being much of a help here. Awaiting future installments. Keep it up, because although this song does have alot of faults, it was original and different from what we usually hear around here. I wouldn't say you're the best as what you were at, but you got the passion for it, so thats enough to accomplish the mission. And remember, you can't please everyone. As soon as you change something, someone else will complain that it sucks. That's art...

Oh, And to you SysteManiac....

Frenzied Gay Porn Mail Attack of the Wombat!!!

-Colin

(never underestimate a wombat...the name alone is crazy)

[The Author]

Well, Silent, I happen to be a professional editor, and since I just LOVE your song, I could rework your lyrics, if you don't mind.

I did do the lyrics for another song that is yet to be completed,and I am working on a set for FF6, but I'd like to offer my help if you want it.

Anyway, PM me if you're interrested/intrigued.

[frobnitz]

Good stuff, good stuff ; ) Yes, the lyrics do go downhill around 5,30, which can be fixed in a second version.

I give this a 9/10 for originality and beauty.

[Ignis]

I was hesitant at first to download this song after reading the mix contained singing. I think (or thought) that singing in a remix sort of takes away from the whole point of remixing a track that didn't have singing in it in the first place (well for the vast majority anyway). However, this mix has changed the way I thought about said mixes. The lyrics relate to the FFIV story line nicely (sort of kind of, right?). Also, I thought it was awesome how he went from a quiet guitar solo into a rockin' mix. The mix kind of reminds me of Led Zepplin's "Stair Way to Heaven." Great mix and a must download for any FFIV fan.

[Facade]

I love this remix and yes I'll agree that anyone that loves FFIV must download this. The only thing that would make me more happy though, is if there was a second edition of this to perfect it. I don't know what'd I do if that'd happen...maybe uh...listen to it? ^_^ :)

[EtherealXero]

This was a nice remix to listen to. :) I agree with all of the criticism that has already been stated. But the only thing I have to say is that it sounded kinda like Radiohead for a second there towards the end hehe.

-EX

[Arlak]

OMG Man. This is an awesome remix, one of those remixes I can sing along to! I love it. And even if I haven't played FF4... I recognize the tune!

Some titchy unimportant things linger, but it sort of adds to the natural aspect of the remix.

Overall, I love it.

[Warren]

Wow

I love this, but there are 2 things I hate about it. The title is incredibly deceitful. While this is absolutely fabulous, I expected a remix of the song from Tororia. The other thing is that the lyrics linked to from the remix page aren't entirely accurate. It's hard to follow along...

Anyway, you have a great voice and I hope you do more like this (maybe even from Final Fantasy 5, too)!

[The Xyco]

Amazing, absolutely amazing.

your voice gets a little cracky and whiney, but i aint gonna complain, this is a VERY good piece of fine, dramatic music.

BONUS!!

[Solid Krono]

This was a nice remix to listen to. :) I agree with all of the criticism that has already been stated. But the only thing I have to say is that it sounded kinda like Radiohead for a second there towards the end hehe.

-EX

I think you mean Head Radio. From GTA? But you're right, it does! :)

Anyway, I love the song, and even though I wouldn't say it's the best ever, I'd have to say it's very good. There aren't many Vocal songs that I like hear on OCR (of course there aren't that many, are there?), but this is one that I like. Nice job! I await your next Remix :D

[SyLiK]

Congratulations Silent on Such a wonderful song... Sure theres room for improvement, but as a first up effort this is an absolutely wonderful mix and makes me wanna scrap my first mix which im currently half through.
We certainly need more Vocal in these mixes, sure most of the music that comes through this site is wonderful, we do lack vocal ( prolly cause none of us can sing ;) ) because some of the best songs on this site i believe are the ones containing the vocal. Again congrats to Silent, we only hope u keep producing more like this n betta ;)

[uglee musashi]

: looks at current home projects 8)
: looks @ TLS.. 8O
: looks @ home projects again :oops:
: looks @ self in mirror :evil: :lol: :evil:
Dude .... I hate you ...that ..was Fugginawsomestuff

[soup]

Oh, hell yeah.

I'm .. I'm all over this.

[Silent]

wow, thanks for the entirely postitive response on this one..
yes the title is increadibly deceiving, I didnt know what else to name it.. perhaps that will have to change.

I would like to show some of the ppl who have criticized me (which I appreciate!) to hear my newer mixes of the song, to help me with the direction. When I get my internet back, perhaps we can get in touch.

[DL-Oddeye]

For me.. id run it with no vocals at all.. The music in itself was well done.

Just my ears required me to turn it off after the singing started.. that's just me tho

[X CubeStation]

I liked the lyrics, but IMO, they could have been sung better. The singing should have been done by someone with more experiance, and the high notes were a bit annoying (like on line "Just don’t want this all to fall apart")

But all in all, its a gopod mix.

On a side note, The lyrics that pretzel give us are wrong. "Everything is out of sight tonite" should be "Everything seems out of sight tonite"

[Facade]

I don't know exactally what it is, but I tried to do a very very sloppy modification to the lyrics on OCR to match what he really said. I will admit that where I put stuff along the lines of "mwahh..." and "aaaaooo..." was an attempt (however poor it may be...) to show what he was singing in sounds, not words. I think also where I put "Finally now," I'm not sure if it's "now". I tried really really hard to hear what he was saying there and that was the best word I could come up with...well here it is.

Final_Fantasy_4_Tororian_Love_Song_OC_ReMix Lyrics (Update)
Perhaps its time to question; all these things I’ve been doing for so long...
...So wrong...
mwahh...
SO much I need not mention, but the need within me is so strong.
So, so long...

I know that the answer is beside me.
As I have believed from the start,
But it's just so hard for me to go there.
Dispite of all this aching feeling, I
Just don’t want this all to fall apart.

And as I look into your eyes
It's more like looking at myself
Through someone else
Like no one else.

aaaaooo...
ALL THIS PAIN AND HATRED
Never knowing from whence it came
I’m playing this game
It's always the same.

In all this there’s one thing I could ask you
That you should always remain true
Even if I’m gone you’ll still remember
Its just hard when nothings right and
Everything seems out of sight tonight.

Yeahhhhh...
yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah
I don’t wanna leave yet
How could you think that I could love
Somebody new?
Someone like you?
Someone like you...
oooooohhhhhhwah
As the night fades into a day
I thought it’d be something that you should know-ah...should know-ah...

Finally now, if there was one thing that I could ask you.
Is that you should always remain true?
Even if I'm gone you'll still remember.
It's just hard when nothings right.

-But I guess I'll survive another night
Waiting to create another me
That only you...that only you can see.



P.S. I am positive that this update needs yet another update to professionalize it. :)

[Kaleb.G]

0:00-1:24 Nice peaceful guitar work. I'll probably like this remix.

1:25-1:40 Vocals? Hmm, this better be good.

1:41-1:43 "So wrong..." So very wrong indeed; the shittiness is breathtaking. I'll try to overlook this one.

1:44-2:15 The lyrics are cheesy and don't flow well, the vocals are pre-pubescent...I came here for video game music, not angsty emo-rock.

2:16 I click the close button on Winamp.

No sir, I don't like it.

[zircon]

0:00-1:24 Nice peaceful guitar work. I'll probably like this remix.

1:25-1:40 Vocals? Hmm, this better be good.

1:41-1:43 "So wrong..." So very wrong indeed; the shittiness is breathtaking. I'll try to overlook this one.

1:44-2:15 The lyrics are cheesy and don't flow well, the vocals are pre-pubescent...I came here for video game music, not angsty emo-rock.

2:16 I click the close button on Winamp.

No sir, I don't like it.

Hey, it's really not fair to the artist to not listen to the entire song. Think about Stairway to Heaven if you only listened to the first section.

[PhreakPhantasia]

The music was very pretty on this one, but I'm just not a fan of vocals in game music.

[Mrk4yo0]

a good song! but .... He could sing it in the original japanese lyrics... :(

It'll be great is it's only instrumental too, anyway, It is a great music!

[Kaleb.G]

Hey, it's really not fair to the artist to not listen to the entire song. Think about Stairway to Heaven if you only listened to the first section.

I did actually listen to the whole thing, but it's not my bag. And Stairway to Heaven was excellent, so there's no comparison.

[Silent]

high notes were a bit annoying (like on line "Just don’t want this all to fall apart")


I actually liked that ;) and cant repro it in the new version... lol but im trying,...

(avoiding the trolls)

btw, those lyrics i gave djpretzel were wrong, sorry ;) thats what i meant to sing...

and I dont like the original Jap lyrics ;)

[DJO_Maverick]

I'm lovin' it. Second great vocal remix inside a week; I'm hoping it's the start of a new trend! \; )

Personally, I liked the lyrics a lot, they seemed appropriate and fairly well written... and even if a few parts sound a bit cliche'd, when you get down to it, about 70% of the songs out there that we listen to on the radio talk about the same thing and say the same thing, repackaged again and again... all depends on the quality of the packaging. So, I'm not terribly sure how fair that particular criticism is.

Loved the instrumentation... only complaint is that there definitely were a few points where the vocals got a wee bit iffy. But, if you're going to remaster it... more power to you, can't wait to hear it :D

Keep it up...

[Omnitrix]

I liked this one alot, and I personaly love hearing diversity in remixes, instead of the same old themes. I didn't find a problem at all with the vocals, and the lyrics were vague enough, so that anyone can take whatever meaning they want from it. Keep them coming! :P

[Cosmos]

...do a full album. Fantastic.

[flipsideshooze]

Yeah... i love this... but it is ruined by the vocals... (sorry :cry: ) Don't get me wrong though, i think if you got someone who could sing really well, this would be the most kick ass thing ever. But for a singer as myslef, this is painful to listen too. I really hope you will get someone else to sing your lyrics for this.

Now, past the vocals: this is probably one of my favorite songs on the site... i just love when the bass gets in... it's great.

Just hope you will re-work the vocals.

P.S.
I REALLY wanna hear the update so PM me when you have it up :wink:

[Omnitrix]

I am singer to in a band, and I think its not painfull at all to listen to.
so shut your mouth and know your role jabroni. Unless you want to spend the night at the smackdown hotel.

[Atomic Dog]

Talked to my friend. She said she'd like to hear a "strumento soltanto" version (I guess you'd know what that means???) so she can see what her voice sounds like against it.

Also, do you have any IM programs? She said she'd want to talk to you if she liked it.

Thanks.

[Elex Synn]

I liked the way the lyrics and music went togther. remind me of an end of an RPG when the main hero (usually guy) realizes his love for some female in the group he has traveled with for some time now. Like Chrono and Marle floating in the air with the baloons in one of the chrono tigger endings?

Anyways, nice song. I'll keep it. :)

Though if for some reason you DO change around the vocaling, why not add in a duet with a female voice in there somewhere? Like more towards hte middle-to-end part of the song?

[Legion303]

The guitar work is excellent. The vocals, however, could use quite a lot of work.

I'm not saying this to be an asshole, and it did take large iron balls to submit with singing in the first place, but the vox really do drag this piece below its potential. The singing sounds a little better during the louder parts, so that may be where your dynamic range is best (vocalists, correct me if I'm wrong). I'd like to see an updated version of this with lots of practice behind it.

-steve

[thediabeticknight]

Wow! 8O I must say this is an awesome remix! :)
Very very risky and bold. The lyrics you've written are incredibly awesome! Yeah yeah some people have been complaining about your singing, but hey it's all good, nothing's perfect and I still love to listen to this song! Gotta love the guitar too man! I love how you go from a soft, romantic guitar to a raging hard rock melody!!!
This is great stuff my friend!
I hope to hear more from you Silent and keep up the good work!

Hey, don't be shy to use this for the ladies now! hahaha
I bet it would work! 8)

-The Diabetic Knight

[flipsideshooze]

I am singer to in a band, and I think its not painfull at all to listen to.

Ok, if you had a decent ear, it would be very painful...

[SuperTKO]

Ok, I got this love hate realtionship with this song. (get it, love/hate song? ha ha!)

The song itself is not bad, on the contrary, I like how the song comes in slow, Piano, then it goes into that guitar, then a heavy rock with a Piano, then it fades out. That is the coolest remix I heard ever since Little Mac's Confession. It was very original, and with it alone, was able to get into my Favorite Music list.

However, my main problem was with the singer. He wasn't bad at all, but to me, he seemed slow trying to get in it, and High notes weren't his best attribute. However, I think he made up for that in the middle of the song, where he seemed to be getting really into it.

Lyrics are ok, I couldn't get a story out of it like I could little Mac's confession, and some words didn't really add up, but that's nit-picking.

All-in-all, I say a good job and keep up the good work!

[Silent]

hmm I coulndt really get a story out of little macs confession...

well, again, that wasnt my intention to tell a story, It wasnt even meant to be after the game.

as far as the vocals, I have redone them a while ago, before i even upped this one, so hopefully you will hear it.

[Silent]

Ok, if you had a decent ear, it would be very painful...


or, if you are just simply anal about perfect intonation ;)

[flipsideshooze]

Ok, if you had a decent ear, it would be very painful...


or, if you are just simply anal about perfect intonation ;)

Ok, that may be so, but i think if it were all on key, it would be 100 times better.

As someone said before, the vocals start out ok but by the end of the song, the vocals are WAY off key.

And like i said before, i freaking love this song, but i just want it to reach its full potential, and i think that that can be reached by spot on vocals.

[Silent]

thank you for your comments, I will try as hard as i can on the next version, and i will try and step up my intonation as well :)

[RyuHoshi38]

Dude when I first heard the description, I thought about crying and smashing my head on steak knives, but I listened to it and its real smooth....maybe this song can get me laid man...lol

[Silent]

I thought about crying and smashing my head on steak knives

wow what prompted this? :lol:

[Megalitia]

i disagree.. your singing is actually good for this kind of song..
and if you could improve the vocals are little.. the song will be great..

this is indeed very good..

quite long however.. but cool..
i liked it..

[Mongoosedog]

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I kinda liked it! Good work!

[Lestat_TheMoon]

Look man, for one, this is one of the most beautiful songs in Final Fantasy 2(US). You made the song shine with your guitar, truly you did. Unfortunatly, and don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way bashing you, your singing needs major improvement. Is there any way for you to just post the instrumental version? Unfortunatly trying to come up with a decent lyric is not easy, but yours are too shallow. I'm just explaining to you my experience. I was listening to your song and I was REALLY surprised but when you started singing it was like hearing a car crash and the song, TO ME, fell completely apart. Like a person banging their head on a piano. Your guitar is absolutely outstanding but the singing should have been cut out. Making it hard rock at the end also decapitated the song, like being banged on the head with a bat. I enjoyed the song up to 1:26 after that I just stop it.

[Omnitrix]

Look man, for one, this is one of the most beautiful songs in Final Fantasy 2(US). You made the song shine with your guitar, truly you did. Unfortunatly, and don't take this the wrong way, I am in no way bashing you, your singing needs major improvement. Is there any way for you to just post the instrumental version? Unfortunatly trying to come up with a decent lyric is not easy, but yours are too shallow. I'm just explaining to you my experience. I was listening to your song and I was REALLY surprised but when you started singing it was like hearing a car crash

If that isn't bashing then I don't know what is. Don't you think a car crash is a bit melodramatic.

[Silent]

no offense, and i dont mean to bash, but I think this guy is one of those qwho get 200 percent more anal when vocals enter a vid game song at all. :)

[Omnitrix]

hey silent what kind of guitar do you use, I personaly use a Strat Squire lower the saddels and attack the frett board like Steve Vai, Or at least to pretend to be Steve Vai. 8) someday. (sighs) try to redo the song with your tounge ha ha ha jk

[Silent]

I use a gibson les paul, well, actualy an epiphone, and an ibanez bass, and a sweet 1979 fender acoustic guitar with an electric headstock.

however, when i recorded this song, the strings were about a year old, therefore, sound like crap. this will change in the new version.

[Omnitrix]

I use a gibson les paul.

You had me going for a second, Have you ever played one,I can't say I have but I dream about getting a les paul supream, (Drools) And when I
pick it up,jack in take my first warmup strum,then maybe scale in GM
The world acually stops for a second to hear my riffs.
There would be peace on earth if everyone had a Les Paul,well maybe I'm exagerating but I hear there sound is uncomparable.(Omnitrix leaves to guitar shop to bug salesmen into letting him rock on the Les Paul)
what guage do you go with, I usualy stick to .009-.042

[Silent]

Im rockin .10s right now ;)

[Omnitrix]

do you got aol instant messenger or anything, cause if you got some more remixes up your sleave i'll gladly lend my guitar or vocals.
I have a few ideas I'm playing with right now. like some video game theme dueled out by 2 guitarists.

[Silent]

sounds great, just add "Silentdecor2002" to your AOL list

and

Silentdecor@hotmail.com

to your msn. I prefer msn.

[Omnitrix]

alright got you added my aol is tadashi mataya
and my msn is chaos_dark_gaiden@hotmail.com

[Silent]

gotcha! ok, got my intenet back, new version of ff4 is coming soon!

[Moon Paladin]

I thank the gods that you have made this remix, Silent. Final Fantasy 4 has always been my favorite Final Fantasy...the storyline was so good for a game of it's time. I used to fall asleep by going to the world map and listening to it's theme as I lied in bed. Your song gives it so much justice, and it gives it feeling. Sure, your vocals may need some work, but has any of you people who pointed it out negativley ever heard Nirvana? If your voice has meaning it gives the song more power. And the lyrics fit, despite the many cliche involved. All in all, I found it one of my favorite remixes, and this is coming from an FFIV fan. Good luck on your next version.

[corsair201010]

A comment from other country:


Esta bien chingona, me encantaron las voces a estilo cobain



( its very good,i like the voice Cobai´s stile)

[Akai Suisen]

Ok, this song has been bashed to the depths of hell and praised up to heaven...now its my turn. The overall impression: AMAZING! when i started it out, the intro guitar caught my ear and just wouldnt let me go. Shortly thereafter came the lyrics, which is the weakest link in the song. Im not bashing, im not praising, i just think that the lyrics could be tweaked a bit and mebbe one more take the vocals could help. Other than that, i truly enjoy this remix. it just gets stuck in my head so easily!

[anewzero]

now don't get me wrong -- i love the songs that have been in final fantasies 8, 9, and 10 -- but this guy can put emotion into words, guitar, and rhythm. i loved this song when i first heard it. every time i listen to it again and again, it gets better for me. for years of my middle-school life, final fantasy 4 (or 2, as i knew it then on the snes) was the game for me. i played through it so many times that i had at one time had the entire dialogue scripted somewhere and i even wrote a sort of fanfiction telling of the entire adventure. so, to hear silent make this lovely ode is like a sort of dream come true for me. all i can ask, silent, is "can you do something like this for final fantasy 8?" i have had the honour of playing all the fnatasies and 8 still holds true to my heart as my favourite. it would be great if you could make something like this regarding squall and rinoa. well, not that listeners have any reason in this place but there's my two cents. keep up the awesome work, silent!

[mink]

wow i hardly ever ever post but i just wanted to let you know i think that was an absolutely beautiful song
this comes from the standpoint of someone with no instrument or vocal experiance
im just a fan of good music
music is one of the few art forms left that draws an emotional response from me and your piece i can certainly relate to since im going through crap atm
exellent piece
exellent singing for an amature .........trust me only anal singing pros will complain about your voice work while average no vocal skillz joes like me will love it
your guitar work was fugging awsome and i love good guitar work
piano was weak........that was the only major niggle for me
great stuff im gonna listen to it again for like the 10th time in the past hour :P

[Dinobot 2]

gotcha! ok, got my intenet back, new version of ff4 is coming soon!

So any news to report Silent?

Do you plan to lenghen the song at all?

[mCee]

man i have listened to this song repeatedly and am listening to it right now to get what i really think of it down
which is awesome!
a lot of people have been anal and say you sang offkey but it makes it seem more natural i guess....its hard to explain. i mean, you sing better than i do o_o
it starts off like led zeppelin ^^ like stairway to heaven which is nice
not exactly like stairway, but i mean in zepp's style, which is cool
i love the lyrics...they convey the emotion so well, and i guess i like them cause some of the lines kind of applied to a predicament i am in at the current moment
hey and i like the instrumental too...im not that smart with music but i couldnt see anything that bothered me about it. i mean, its better than a lot of the music i hear on the radio.

[Snyderman]

Not to be an ass, but the singing just about kills this song for me. To me, it sounds downright terrible. The lyrics are average, but listening to it is just painful. I'm not here to say that I could do a better job by any means, but I think I'm entitled to an opinion, even if I'm the only one that thinks this way.

The rest of the song, I must say is excellent, but the singing just makes me want to avoid listening to it.

[Jarrid]

I didn't mind the vocals. Very awesome job, especially the guitar work. Excellent stuff man.

[Hostile Rabbi]

Music being played behind the vocals is consistantly great in this.

As for the vocals...


From very good to BEER and back again.

Overall, this piece is mostly good. There are a few places where either mediocre or singing mar the composition, but otherwise good work.

[crbern2]

It's unique as far as most of the other stuff on this site; I applaud him for not incorporating dance and/or techno. Overall the composition is very good, progresses smoothly and keeps your interest. Now for the critical stuff: At times the vocals leave something to be desired. He's not very strong in the higher notes he attempts in the last verse, and he over- and undershoots some of the melodic skips. And the angst-y lyrics, though rhythmically fitting with the music, aren't terribly unique, and are a little darker than what the melody and harmony suggest. Also in the beginning it sounds as if one of his strings is slightly out of tune. I would suggest that he get a little more practice singing; his voice has a good sound to it, but he needs practice hitting the right notes and holding a constant pitch. Overall, it was enjoyable to listen to.


Oh, and just out of curiosity, why is it named after Toroia? I didn't hear a single melodic or harmonic motive taken from the Toroia theme.

[Silent]

ahh i have been asked this before... and it is a good question.

well, i dont really have the best reason, i didnt know what else to name it! I thought it sounded good, and put that name in. i would rather have a different title, but i couldnt think of anything better.

and you are certainly right about the vocals. I hope to improve those as well someday, but i am in the midst of many other projects, and wish to have this song simmering in its present form for a while.

I have a problem with refining things. It has to be done, but i get attached to the imperfections of 1st takes...

lol

thanks for your comments

[zyko]

amazing work.
i'm speechless.

i see alot of me in this guy except i see it about 10x refined.
i love this song in its present raw form - it works perfectly. i disagree with the title but that is a matter of preference of the artist

~weed

[Sephiroth Lives]

Man, when i first heard this song i thought it was total crap. But i started listening to it over and over again, and it really is an amazing song. I wouldn't have you change anything about it. Keep the off notes!

Pretzel is just mad that he can't sing as well as you.

[The Author]

Listened to it again last night, and it almost made me cry, and that is one hell of an accomplishment.

[Breaker!]

sup, silent
im just a new user w/ a lotta music from OCR, but urs just rips the anger outta me whenever i listen to that song

cool! it could be an anger management song! or make it concide with Time Management...

anyway, that song was beautiful and could help me score a few chics jk :)
but seriously, i play, well started playin guitar, and i really wanna show off to these girls i meet, so if u could, send me tabs or contact me thru IM
since ive got all these girls on hold, will this make wonders... since i m a lonely guy soon to be going to a part of Japan w/ a lot o young hoes... but thats beside the point... just send me the tabs or the chords... or post them on the net thx --- BreakerArashiCS (AIM SN)

[XantheKelsylva]

Great song! :) I loved it so much I made an anime music video of it. It's mostly Record of Lodoss War and Yami no Matsuei, as well as some cmputer graphics from the remake of FF4 and the original Amano pictures are in it, too. It's one of my very first AMVs, so it's not very good, but I used some neat effects to make it look like an old film reel. I couldn't resist; the song was so inspiring! I've been listening to it over and over since i downloaded it. E-mail me if you want a copy of my AMV.

[Silent]

w0w

thank you again for all of your comments, I have submitted a new tune, i hope it gets accepted :)

[Silent]

new versions of this song are here:

http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=307

and here:

http://www.sectionz.com/detail.asp?rtype=mp3&szid=10612


enjoy!

[SP Wes]

The new version (Over and Under) sounds better with the instruments. Especially the drums. The vocals though, while easier to understand, seem to lose some of the magic of the original. I can't explain it, but I sort of miss your first try at singing it (especially when the song gets rather loud). Though the ending sounds much better now. :wink:

I'm not a musical expert so I can't say much else. I love the song and keep up the good work. Some parts sound a bit awkward, but nothing big. It's probably just because I'm used to the Tororian Love Song Version.

Remember kids, Silent loves you and I love Silent!

[Night10194]

My friend, your instrumentals are excellent, and I highly doubt I could sing better. However, I am a poor singer. The vocals...they are just not good. The song, she is just suffering terribly from the vocals existing...but she has such excellent instrumentals...

[Autocrat]

I dont see what every loves about this song... personally I hate it. The idea was nice, a solo guitar with some backup instruments, but then it gets to the singing. No, the guys voice is not bad, its the lyrics. They're way too sappy. Imagine putting every song about love into a machine that compresses it into one song. This is just it. I know what you're thinking now, "It says love song in the title, doofus", yes it does, and i'm sure its jsut me, but 7 minutes of this? Come on now people.


Either i'm missing something or you're all just suckers for flowery wording

[Synchrone]

It's not my thing.. I don't really like the voice (could need some polishing in my opinion) and I'd like a bit more refinement in the guitars. But then again, don't mind me.

[maplejet]

If I was to play this song to some one who did not know FF4, they would not even realize it is from a video game. It is easily comparable to some of the other male rock vocal songs out there.

This has got to be one of the best remixes here...the guitars, the lyrics. Only problem is the singing (its kind of iffy at some places), but overall, this remix rocks!!

[GreenMaster8]

Wow,

I'm very impressed. I've always loved this song from the moment I first heard it, and the only remix I could find of it was a Celtic Remix. Wow. Incredible lyrics, and it's very inspirational. If I had half the voice you do, I'd be writing lyrics and singing to some songs, lol. Well done, very well done.



GM8

[Malevolence]

I joined this board just to post praise for this song. Silent, babe, your voice makes this little chick *melt*and your vocal range is superb. I could just hear the little anime hearts popping about my head. Please reply? Perhaps consider other remix ventures? -grins hopefully-

[jordanclock]

I love this song and all, but this morning I was listening to one of my many many songs from Nobuo Uematsu, and one popped up on my random playlist entitled "Long Distance" and immediately recognized the sound of the vocals. Though the lyrics differ greatly (japanese to english...) "Long Distance" and this sound almost exactly alike. It's probably more coincidence than intention... I hope.

Despite this I still think this is an incredible song and I hope more types of remixes are made like this.

[Dhsu]

Yeah, there are two official Final Fantasy vocal collections: "Pray" (http://www.altpop.com/stc/reviews/ffpray.htm) and "Love Will Grow," (http://www.altpop.com/stc/reviews/fflove.htm) both phenomenal albums. "Long Distance" is the first track on "Love Will Grow" and it's an arrangement of the same original song as this remix, so that's why they sound so similar.

[Shonen Samurai]

Malevolence, you should most definitely check out his Ninja Gaiden 2 "InTheAtrium" mix. It's even better.

[Rufous]

Beatiful work. Great guitaring, and the singing is perfect for any guy to sing along with.

[Silent]

w0w thank you for the replies! i havent checked this in a while!!!

I am planning on redoing the song with better vocalss and such, but i never knew of any song called "long distance" .. ill have to check that out, cause i have owned pray and love will grow for years...

i guarantee its coincedence, after all theyre both based on the same arrangement right???

malevolence, i have a site here: http://silent.sectionz.com, although sectionz doesnt work for many...

i also have one here:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/thesilentresponse.htm

[Pzy]

I guess a big thing that many of us want to see are the tabs for the opening acoustic guitar... At least I know I want to see them... :)

If it's possible, could you post the tabs somewhere?

[Silent]

man, i HATE writing out tab...

seriously..

but, i may reconsider..

is there a good program for that?

[traviswedding]

holy crap. i remember when you posted this in the works in progress. i thought it was good and listened to it often. the final version freaking rocks!

[Kantir]

You are such a wonderful singer. I envy you.

[doublejbass]

I must respectfully disagree with the multitude of positive reviews I've seen. While I respect the innovation and originality that went into crafting this remix, in the end, it is brought down by pretentious lyrics and a simply bad performance.

I was once told by a coach "People notice when you pick songs that are too hard for you, not too easy." I'm most certainly not a vocal snob, but the vocal performance here is an example of purely poor singing. A good grunge or rock voice would have been right at home with the material. Instead, there's out-of-tune, out-of-quality stuff that permeates the piece almost the entire way through. It sounds like this kid thinks that he's a whole lot better than he is, and he feels that subjecting us to his angstful screaming is somehow acceptable.

He knows what style he wants to imitate, but great performances in this genre never deviate from the basics of singing. Kurt Cobain had the hallmark voice of the style, and yet, despite his unique vocal quality, always sang a clear, tuned melody. Never has an instance of a pretender or imitator been so obvious as here, where the artist completely misses the mark. Out-of-tune, stilted low-quality singing is never acceptable, to think that it is in this style of rock is to demean the great musicians who perform it, and this remixer merely contributes to the idea that modern rock is more noise than music. The last thing you want to think while listening to a remix is "I can do better," and in the end, listening to it is painful enough that I want to re-record it with a decent vocal track. Either that or listen to "Little Mac's Confession" to remind myself that some of the remixers here DO know how to sing.

The final word, of course, is that I will not download another remix from this artist, if he ever produces more. I understand that this is a very negative review, but I have tried to refrain from being mean for the sake of being mean. I've also clearly explained my opinions. This is as nice as I can be while still being honest, so anything else would be a compromise. I'm hoping that this policy is just to keep things civil, because a review site without honest negative reviews is no review site at all.

[SubSpecies23]

I love this song, it does suffer a couple of weak spots, but I think it is good enough to overcome these small problems, and they don't drag the whole thing down.

Also: Comparing this to Kurt Cobain? There's a huge difference, as in this is good, and Kurt Cobain was the worst musician to ever live.

Everyone I know talks about Kurt Cobain like he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, but I don't see what was so great about him.

[SubSpecies23]

Okay, maybe worst musician to ever live was an exaggeration, but I still don't see what was so great about him. I liked the Nevermind album, but I can't stand most everything else they did.

But this thread isn't about Nirvana, so just ignore this, I don't want this guy's remix review to turn into pages of flames and discussion about Kurt Cobain.

[Impassioned Havoc]

I had mixed feelings about this mix at first, but it's grown on me since. First, the guitar work is SWEET. Second, my main gripe, which was the lyrics (a bold choice for OCR), are actually somewhat well done in that they are just cliche enough to fit, but not so cliche that they put you to sleep. I've grown to appreciate the corniness, and instead just love to listen to this well-executed rock ballad. Good stuff.

[Silent]

I must respectfully disagree with the multitude of positive reviews I've seen. While I respect the innovation and originality that went into crafting this remix, in the end, it is brought down by pretentious lyrics and a simply bad performance.

I was once told by a coach "People notice when you pick songs that are too hard for you, not too easy." I'm most certainly not a vocal snob, but the vocal performance here is an example of purely poor singing. A good grunge or rock voice would have been right at home with the material. Instead, there's out-of-tune, out-of-quality stuff that permeates the piece almost the entire way through. It sounds like this kid thinks that he's a whole lot better than he is, and he feels that subjecting us to his angstful screaming is somehow acceptable.

He knows what style he wants to imitate, but great performances in this genre never deviate from the basics of singing. Kurt Cobain had the hallmark voice of the style, and yet, despite his unique vocal quality, always sang a clear, tuned melody. Never has an instance of a pretender or imitator been so obvious as here, where the artist completely misses the mark. Out-of-tune, stilted low-quality singing is never acceptable, to think that it is in this style of rock is to demean the great musicians who perform it, and this remixer merely contributes to the idea that modern rock is more noise than music. The last thing you want to think while listening to a remix is "I can do better," and in the end, listening to it is painful enough that I want to re-record it with a decent vocal track. Either that or listen to "Little Mac's Confession" to remind myself that some of the remixers here DO know how to sing.

The final word, of course, is that I will not download another remix from this artist, if he ever produces more. I understand that this is a very negative review, but I have tried to refrain from being mean for the sake of being mean. I've also clearly explained my opinions. This is as nice as I can be while still being honest, so anything else would be a compromise. I'm hoping that this policy is just to keep things civil, because a review site without honest negative reviews is no review site at all.

actually, you are definetly right about there being out of tune vocals. This mix was completed in 2001. thats almost 4 years from now, in the past. I have certainly been growing more of an ear, and more of a voice, for staying in tune. I never wanted to use autotune, and wanted my music to be as pure as it could be.

however, i find your review not only to be negative, but to be lacking true constructive comments. you seem to just be posting to "balance out" the many good reviews i've gotten from people who dont notice or seem to mind the out of tune singing.

im sorry if this is innacurate, but that is just what it seems like.

regardless, i thank you for your bits of criticism, but i assure you that i have improved much since then.

proof will be shown soon enough....

[Silent]

Okay, maybe worst musician to ever live was an exaggeration, but I still don't see what was so great about him. I liked the Nevermind album, but I can't stand most everything else they did.

But this thread isn't about Nirvana, so just ignore this, I don't want this guy's remix review to turn into pages of flames and discussion about Kurt Cobain.

actually, nirvana was my favorite band for a number of years; since i started doing music. That may explain alot :roll: 8O :idea:

he did do alot of things that were undoable imo... some of the chord progressions he wrote melodies for are astounding, and, i think he KNEW (unlike me) when he was out of tune singing wise, but did it on purpose, or was just lazy. perhaps not a great musician, but i look at him as more of a songwriter.

[adengren]

I had to register to this forum just to tell you that this definitely is one of the best songs i've heard and it's easily the best remix here on OC remix. I want the tabs to this song so much! Please give them to us! :roll:

[Artificial_AI]

I enjoy the instruments a lot, but I don't really like the vocals :/

[Silent]

hopefully soon the vox will be greatly improved..

[Shonen Samurai]

I got laid to this song.

It was awesome.

[Silent]

wow...

probably one of the best compliments yet...

[Bummerdude]

Dude, I can see you really have worked hard for this one, eh? I mean, it´s one thing sitting in front of the computer and remix something and a completely other thing to record every single tune in the whole remix and THEN remix in front of the computer. Very much skills also to play this good, and then have the courage to write lyrics to it. You have a good voice, so that should have needed less courage, but at 6:30 it was a little too much for it. Overall, great song with nice guitar through the whole thing, and some great vocals to put some higher class to it. Definitly worth a download, as I said in the beginning, this took surely alot of work.

Great job, silent-dude.

[Ozymandias]

While I can't compete with the laid complement, I will say that I was extremely impressed with your work. I came looking for a remix using the FF4 main theme...frankly, because I love it. To find your song,just randomly, is like stumbling over a golden toilet in your yard. You don't question why its there, you just take it inside and ponder it with glee.

The *only* thing that keeps this from being an instant favorite is that some of the vocals are a bit off, as others have mentioned. I *Very Much* look forward to an updated version with improved vocals. One of my favorite remixes is FF6's Terra's Theme with vocals, and I'm sure that this can be one of the best OCRemixes ever.

Now...to the reason I registered in the first place. Did you find tabs somewhere for the FF4 main theme? I will be simply awestruck if you tell me you came up with all that yourself. But, if you did, could you hook us up with tabs? For that, I might send you one of those fabled golden toilets...[/i]

[advair]

my brother sent me this song about a year ago. we absolutely love it...
registering on these forums just to tell you this is one of my favorite songs. <3

[Kozmo]

i like this song a very lot. The melody and the first lyrics stick with me throughout the day, and I can't stop listening to it. The lyrics themselves are well written and well-sung, though there are a few parts that raised an eye-brow. I was very impressed. Needless to say, I've also listened to the Ninja Gaiden ReMix by silent, which is also great, and you should check out if you haven't yet. Still waiting for more with baited breath, silent. Help a brother out.

[Baruch, Vampire Lord]

Excellent. This seems like the song Cecil would have sung Rosa before he left Baron if he had been like Edward. Though we are thankful he wasn't like Edward. 10/10

[VashuTStampedo]

I know you're not a fan of tabbing - but if you could answer this, what tuning did you use, and did you use a capo at all? Knowing this I can probably get it down myself. Even tab it :-P

[Muzic_Soul_Worldly]

Hi Silent, I wanted to take this opportunity to send you a message of thanks, this track touches me like no other song I could ever possibly think of, which would probably not be the case had I not grown up hearing the Over-World Music for Final Fantasy IV over and over and over again probably like literally 4,700 times lol, so much so that it has been engrained in my heart and soul so when I hear any song from Final Fantasy, I get tingles and chills all over my body whenever I hear the actual music from the game. You took it to an awesome level. The pre-vocal, the actual vocal, and the post-vocals were so superb, I mean I truly felt emotions with this song, and really good music like this is no joke good for therapy as the soul is being cleansed when you hear tunes and notes and melodys and percussion that you like. Anyway my e-mail address is Muzic.Soul.Worldly@gmail.com and would love for you to e-mail me sometime, and let me know if you have a name on Yahoo! / AOL / AIM we could chat on sometime, and defintiely talk about about the Final Fantasy games and music. Take care man, thanks.. :)

hello, and thank you so much dj pretzel for posting my song. as well as your candid review..

I am now doing a new version of this song, better mixed and better vocals (hopefully). I also have other plans for VG remixes, as well as some tidbits....

Ahh yes, the vocals. They start out fine, but at 5:30 it makes me wanna cry it's so off-key.

yes, indeed.. well, you see, not to make excuses, but I am a first take junkie, in the style of kurt cobain and neil young, and I have a problem with DOING THINGS OVER!! lol so, hopefully this as well as the unobstrusive (what does this mean anyway ;) ) musicianship will be solved. I am not a perfectionist, but I really do appreciate criticizm as i will really help me.

The lyrics were never meant to paralell the story of cecil the dark knight... it is certainly something i am going through.. but i realized later, thru the help of my friend, that these lyrics are very much like his plight in the game...

I would appreciate more criticism, and thank you kamikaze noodle, for yours :)

[poshko]

The lyrics for this mix were beautifully written and the performance on guitar was superb. However, I have to say that the vocals are more than a bit painful throughout the majority of this remix. Nevertheless, I think silent actually has a decent voice. I think he simply needed to fine tune his vocals a little more for the recording of this piece.

[Johannes_von_Luck]

This is by far one of the best guitar songs I have heard on OCRemix, right up there with Cataclysmic Clash (from Megaman 3). The vocals are fine - I know a few ppl who don't like that sort of thing, but, like everybody else on here says, I'd like to see those ppl try to sing this!!!

5/5, awesome remix! :D

:razz:

[vindkast]

One of my all-time favorites. I love the instruments chosen, the buildup and progression from acoustic to electric, and most of all the vocals and the vocal performance. The performance is emotive and honest, and (for all its criticism) adds a rawness that absolutely compliments the lyrics. I wouldn't change anything in this song. I'm really glad I have this song and can listen to it regularly, and I hope silent keeps making remixes.

[Otakatt]

Way back in the day when I first discovered this site this was one of the first songs I downloaded. Final Fantasy 4? The Main Theme? Vocals? Oooooh yeses...

A lot of people have said they don't care for silent's voice/vocals. While it may be true he's not the best vocalist out there, I found his vocal tone to be pleasant. However I'm far less harsh on male vocals than female, so yeah, take it how you will. I found that the vocals and song itself had quite a bit of emotion to it, rather than feeling stale like some songs with vocals do. Things can be sang well, but it means nothing to me if there's nothing behind it, if that makes sense.

At a length of 7 minutes, any song runs the risk of being boring or repetitive, but I think this is really easy to listen to. There's enough variation to it that it doesn't make me sigh and cut it off half-way through. Vocals are both soft and later more 'belting' and emotional, there's guitar played in an acoustic way and even a rawk solo. (The guitar playing, also, is pretty awesome in my opinion)

Granted there's some stuff that could stand to be fine tuned in this remix... HOWEVER! Silent did do just that with Over and Under, which was posted by him somewhere in this thread. A few pages back I think? It addresses some of the issues with guitar and notably with the vocals, and is the version I've kept and the version that still remains in my Final Fantasy music folder. To this day, I still listen to this song every now and again.

On it's own, it's a great piece of music. If you're a big fan of Final Fantasy 4 and the FF4 OST? It's a must have for your collection.

[SoulinEther]

new versions of this song are here:

http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=307

and here:

http://www.sectionz.com/detail.asp?rtype=mp3&szid=10612


enjoy!

Found it. Yeah, I like this one better. Not sure about some of the vocal harmonies as a stylistic choice, but it's much more pleasant overall. The vocals at the ending could be stronger, too, though the performance overall is certainly more pleasant.

Its arrangement is brilliant, however. Despite the fact that I've heard FFIV's main theme a billion and a half times, this piece keeps it from getting stale, and its more original sections mesh well with the source.

I usually skipped over this track whenever I came to it - it's not bad, but it wasn't convincing enough for me. This new version is pretty tight, and I'll probably add it to my current playlist.

[Nareusm]

This piece is really amazing, the only thing that I am hesitant to say but I feel must is that, the vocals unfortunately bring it down slightly. The lyrics are great and so is the playing but throughout it I think that it would sound better with different voice. I'm not quite sure how to explain it, but needless to say I mean no insult to his voice, while it is good, I don't think it's the best for this song. I am generally picky about the vocalists of songs though.

[Stuka]

I really like this song, but like some others have said, the vocals bring it down for me. I feel with the right singer it could really bring it up a notch. Everything else is great though. Music and lyrics themselves.

[OA]

The intro was really well performed, and drew me in immediately, and the vocals started out well, but yeah, there were tuning issues around the 6 minute mark. Still pretty solid overall.

[MechaFone]

One of the older vocal tracks, I kinda loved/disliked this song the first time around. Then it was polished, with better vocals all around. Good job on this one :)