Lockdown Decision OCR00001-OCR01000

[djpretzel]

Please evaluate the following ReMixes for removal from OCR prior to lockdown, with an emphasis on standards violations but also taking quality issues into account where applicable. Please respond by indicating each mix by number, in sequence, and putting a YES or NO next to each - YES if you think it should be removed, NO if you think it shouldn't. Leave mixes you are uncertain regarding blank for now. I'll be voting on this set as well, so you can use my post as a template.


1. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00272
Quake_3_Thalk_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Just sound effects, no game music.
REMOVED

2. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00297
Chrono_Cross_OpenItUp_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Apparently just the original with a drum loop, perhaps sped up. Need to hear original...
REMOVED

3. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00027
Doom_E1M1_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: MIDI rip with instruments changed.
REMOVED

4. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00114
Super_Metroid_Fashion_Techno_Remix.mp3
Reason: Just weird sound effects, no game music.
REMOVED

5. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00024
Secret_of_Mana_Fear_of_heaven_Ben_Lewis_OC_ReMix.m p3
Reason: SPC with drum loops, author admits to it being essentially so.
REMOVED

6. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00236
Starcraft_EasilyAmused_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Sound effects, no game music.
REMOVED

7. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00020
Super_Mario_Land_Millennium_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: GBS rip with creative processing and drums.
REMOVED

8. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00144
Mega_Man_2_Ending_Trance_Reality_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: NSF rip with drums.
REMOVED

9. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00033
Chuchurocket_DaleNorth_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Drum loop on original. Commercial music - not in game.
REMOVED

10. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00074
Mega_Man_Vejita_CutMan_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: NSF rip with drums.
REMOVED

11. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00142
Mega_Man_2_WeaponGain_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: NSF rip with drums.
REMOVED

12. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00051
Starfox_Space_trip_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Just weird sound effects, no game music.
REMOVED

13. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00242
Startropics_LeafVibe_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Not from any identifiable ingame music.
REMOVED

14. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00049
Mega_Man_3_Topman_Chuck_M_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Quality issues.
REMOVED

15. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00128
Chrono_Trigger_Synthetic_Time_Parasite_OC_ReMix.mp 3
Reason: Quality issues.
REMOVED

16. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00039
Chuchurocket_BadCD_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Drum loop on original. Commercial music - not in game.
REMOVED

Update:

17. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00281
Kirby's_Superstar_Wind_Breaker_OC_Remix.mp3
Reason: original with layered scratching/fx
REMOVED

18. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00679
Counterstrike_InTheLineOfFire_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: game had no music
REMOVED

19. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00306
Counterstrike_PaleriderTraining_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: game had no music
REMOVED

20. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00031
Sonic_Labyrinth_Zone_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: If not a MIDI/GYM rip, almost exactly the same
REMOVED

2nd Update

21. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00666
Robocop_CPC_Zone_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Uses original very extensively. However, both drums, bassline, and later synths are additions.

22. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00185
Final_Fantasy_7_OneWingedTechno_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Apparently a MIDI rip. Also, quality issues regardless.
REMOVED

3rd Update

23. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00106
SimCity_Speed_Town_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Original with drums on top. Quality issues.
REMOVED

24. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00315
Koudelka_Requiem(ElectricFlamesMix)_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: samples too extensively from original
REMOVED

[djpretzel]

1. Yes (remove)
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Yes
12. Yes
13. Yes
14. Yes
15. Yes
16. Yes

Update

17. Yes
18. Yes
19. Yes
20. Yes

2nd Update

21. No
22. Yes (MIDI for verification would be nice)

3rd Update

23. Yes
24. Yes

[Protricity]

1. YES
Reason: Just sound effects, no game music.

2. YES
Reason: Most certainly the original with a drum loop,sped up.

3. YES
Reason: MIDI rip with instruments changed.

4. YES
Reason: The original spc not even in sync with the drumloop, and a bunch of distorted sound effects from the game. He somehow managed to make it out of tune as well.

5. YES
Reason: SPC with drum loops.

6. YES
Reason: No SC music whatsoever.

7. YES
Reason: GBS rip + drums.

8. YES
Reason: NSF rip + drums.

9. YES
Reason: Original with drums layered on top. Nice job, fun, but a definate violation :(

10. YES
Reason: NSF rip + drumloop

11. YES
Reason: NSF rip + drumloop

12. YES
Reason: SFX, no Music.

13. YES
Reason: Found the nsf, listened to the whole track. Its not in there.

14. YES
Reason: Its not so much a remix as a huge 2 minute flange effect.

15. YES
Reason: I like the idea, but the quality issues and sanity issues must come into consideration.

16. YES
Chuchurocket_BadCD_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Drum loop on original.

17. YES
Kirby's_Superstar_Wind_Breaker_OC_Remix.mp3
Reason: original with layered scratching/fx


18. YES
Counterstrike_InTheLineOfFire_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Not Game Music


19. YES
Counterstrike_PaleriderTraining_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Not Game Music

20. YES
Reason: exactly the same as original


21. NO
Robocop_CPC_Zone_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Uses original very extensively. But later on theres a ton of original. This is not an extreme violation.

22. YES
Final_Fantasy_7_OneWingedTechno_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Apparently a MIDI rip, But has original values too. Still, its too extreme of a violation.

23. YES
Sim_City_Speed_Town_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: If you listen, its the original played over with some... very ... subpar drums. Anyway, I think it constitutes drums over original.

[Beatdrop]

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES
4. YES
5. YES
6. YES
7. YES
8. YES
9. YES
10. YES
11. YES
12. YES
13. YES
14. YES
15. YES
16. YES

[Digital Coma]

No qualms here.

1. YES
2. YES
3. YES
4. YES
5. YES
6. YES
7. YES
8. YES
9. YES
10. YES
11. YES
12. YES
13. YES
14. YES
15. YES
16. YES
17. YES
18. YES
19. YES
20. YES

yadda yadda yadda

21. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00666
Robocop_CPC_Zone_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Uses original very extensively. However, both drums, bassline, and later synths are additions.

NO: Agreed; borderline controversial, but not bad enough


22. :arrow: http://remix.overclocked.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR00185
Final_Fantasy_7_OneWingedTechno_OC_ReMix.mp3
Reason: Apparently a MIDI rip. Also, quality issues regardless.

YES: Toss it

23. YES - NO THANKS
24. YES

[Malcos]

1. Yes (remove)
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Yes
12. Yes
13.
14. Yes
15. Yes
16. Yes

I think I'll go wash my ears out now.

[Beatdrop]

I'm YES for all three of those. Having also played Counter-Strike for about three years or so, I can reinforce Prot's statement by also pointing out that there is indeed NO music in that game.

[Jivemaster]

Hi guys, finally got hold of all of these, and I agree with everyone that they should be removed.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Yes
12. Yes
13. Yes
14. Yes
15. Yes
16. Yes

...will still have to look at Protricity's suggestions for removal...

-Jive

[Vig]

i have access to a computer today, i'll try to vote on these later this evening. and yes, prot, the general bitch-level has gone up over the past week, but i havent been on in the past two days, so i havent gotten any complaints regarding mix removals.

[djpretzel]

One last one that 3 people bitched at me for.

Btw, is anyone else getting this degree of bitching? I think I might have to remove my aim info from the forums or something.

Castlevania_Adventure_CV2K_OC_ReMix.mp3

Apparently an nsf + drumloop with minor remixing skills.

Personally, I dont believe this is an 'extreme violation', but I do agree that it borrowed WAY heavily from other sources, drumloop and original.

What do you guys think?

Not extreme enough, not as bad as the other examples, orchestrates more on top than just drums. Honestly, not saying that just because it's McV, it really does do more than NSF+drumloop.

UPDATE:

Prot's three additions, as well as a Sonic Labyrinth Zone ReMix that's almost certainly a rip of some nature - or far too close to the original - have been added. Please update you votes accordingly.

We have a consensus on 1-16, so I will proceed with their removal at this point in time.

[m68030]

For x = 1 to 20 step 1
print x". YES"
next

[Malcos]

17. Kirby's_Superstar_Wind_Breaker_OC_Remix.mp3
18. Counterstrike_InTheLineOfFire_OC_ReMix.mp3
19. Counterstrike_PaleriderTraining_OC_ReMix.mp3
20. Sonic_Labyrinth_Zone_OC_ReMix.mp3

17. Yes remove it
18. Yes
19. Yes
20. Yes

The Counterstrike mixes were mixes of samples than anything else.

These are CS mixes. I've played CS, it has no soundtrack. Though its kinda unfortunate that that means no CS remixes ever, the point still stands that a game cannot have remixed music if it has no music.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Disco Dan]

21: Borderline, but the latter synth work makes up for the use of the original (in my opinion). If we throw this away, we have to get rid of Tetris Quasiultramix or whatever vaf's thingamy is called. KEEPER

22: Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with everyone else on this one. It's pretty much the same. LOSER

D

[Protricity]

And another:

Sim_City_Speed_Town_OC_ReMix.mp3

If you listen, its the original played over with some... very ... subpar drums. Anyway, I think it constitutes drums over original.

And Another:

Koudelka_Requiem(ElectricFlamesMix)_OC_ReMix.mp3

This is at Pordon's request. It is indeed track1.mp3 with drums over it and some flanging. He did some repeating, but thats all.

[m68030]

I'd say YES to both the Koudelka and SimCity track.

[djpretzel]

The only mix that was not voted to be removed was Robocop CPC Zone; all other mixes in question have now been voted on and removed.