ASK A JUDGE: While we're busy NOT voting - your questions, we want 'em

[Liontamer]

Let's say I'm remixing something from 2 games, and one's the sequel to another (ex: Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, DKC1 and DKC2, etc).

How would you judge it? Do you take the balance between sources as something very important? How much is it okay to do these kinds of mixes?

Any mix using material from two or more games can only be assigned to one game in our database, usually the source tune that is used the most. If the arrangement uses a ton of tracks from different games in a franchise, we may use the first game in the franchise just to simplify things. We don't care about the balance between sources. The medley just has to be cohesively structured and well-developed.

e.g. http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01515/, http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01108/

[halc]

Let's say I'm remixing something from 2 games, and one's the sequel to another (ex: Sonic 1 and Sonic 2, DKC1 and DKC2, etc).

How would you judge it? Do you take the balance between sources as something very important? How much is it okay to do these kinds of mixes?

sure. you can mix and match different sources even if they're not from the same game or franchise, as long as the sources are well-arranged and blended. this mix is a good example: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02069/

larry ninja'd

[KyleJCrb]

Shouldn't Kirby Super Star 'Ska Buffet (All You Can Eat, Clean Version)' be under the project song section? I'm pretty sure it's for the Milkyway Wishes project...

[OA]

Shouldn't Kirby Super Star 'Ska Buffet (All You Can Eat, Clean Version)' be under the project song section? I'm pretty sure it's for the Milkyway Wishes project...

No, you are wrong. Stop being so insulting. :-(

[Level 99]

Shouldn't Kirby Super Star 'Ska Buffet (All You Can Eat, Clean Version)' be under the project song section? I'm pretty sure it's for the Milkyway Wishes project...

No, OA has it right. It was completed first, and then halc asked for it to be on MWW. I agreed with the contingent that it not be prevented from being posted before the project comes out, since we originally intended it to be a non-project mix.

We really just wanted the track to be posted soon, and not have to potentially wait for MWW's release, or even longer if it isn't part of the mixflood. I mean, look how long it has been for the straggling tracks from FF5 V1 to be posted: avaris and my's collab was sub'd 10/19/2009, Nutritious's track was sub'd 10/29/2009. Both are still TBP because project tracks that aren't part of mixflood seem to end up spread out in posting to prevent too much from one game/project/artist being posted in a small window of time. You can see why, after 9 months of working on Ska Buffet, we didn't feel like signing up to likely wait any longer than necessary.

MWW's project staff was cool with that, so there's your explanation. The "dirty" version (with curse words) is the one that will be on the project, the "clean" version is the one that's going to be a posted mix.

[KyleJCrb]

u sux stevo

Just kidding. I love you.

[Brandon Strader]

Wat why is the clean one going straight to site and the dirty one going on the album? that seems backwards

[Level 99]

Wat why is the clean one going straight to site and the dirty one going on the album? that seems backwards

That was my choice. Reason: I felt like it.

Edit: but yeah, the reason is mostly personal. In development, some of the folks in the WIP forums wanted both clean and dirty versions. I figure the clean one reaches more ears so that would do better being clean, and the dirty one gives MWW a bit of spice.

[Brandon Strader]

Yea no judgment here, i'm guilty of f-bombing a kids game too. I feel bad for it now. xD But I guess there's not really any children listening to OCR albums, at least none younger than neeblix :-D

[Mirby]

Question: How long will you keep a track on the YES (Conditional) list before removing it, or will you keep it there until the mixer finally reappears and fixes the problems?

[OA]

Question: How long will you keep a track on the YES (Conditional) list before removing it, or will you keep it there until the mixer finally reappears and fixes the problems?

probably until the mixer fixes the problems. :-)

looks like we have some old ones in limbo :-)

Maybe if it reaches the 5 year mark, we'll take it down. :D

[Nutritious]

probably until the mixer fixes the problems. :-)

looks like we have some old ones in limbo :-)

Maybe if it reaches the 5 year mark, we'll take it down. :D

Having good mixes stuck in limbo is a tragedy. Quit being so happy about it.





yes, I'm joking

[Brandon Strader]

For the record I fixed mine long ago and sent Fishy a wav, and he said he'd take care of it :-)

I wasn't blaming you so much as shifting the blame away from me, kind sir Fish ^_^

[Fishy]

For the record anyone is welcome to blame me for anything.

[Nutritious]

For the record I fixed mine long ago and sent Fishy a wav, and he said he'd take care of it :-)

Yeah, there's your problem :P

[DragonAvenger]

For the record anyone is welcome to blame me for anything.

Fishy I am sad, and you are to blame.

You know how you can make me happy again. :D

[OA]

For the record I fixed mine long ago and sent Fishy a wav, and he said he'd take care of it :-)



Yeah, there's your problem :P




Yeah, this is about right. Why would you even do that? Send one to Brushfire while you are at it. :P

[prophetik]

For the record anyone is welcome to blame me for anything.

why the hell does it rain all day

[KyleJCrb]

HAY JUDGES

Jan 2011 - Super Dodge Ball 'Birmingham Beatdown'

When are you going to pass this one?

[Mirby]

Just thought I'd bring it up. The CitJP threads neglects to mention a track title one a LA track from April that's yet to be judged.

[DarkeSword]

Just thought I'd bring it up. The CitJP threads neglects to mention a track title one a LA track from April that's yet to be judged.
Um, what?

[Neblix]

Um, what?

The Link's Awakening track of April 2011 in Currently To Be Judged thread doesn't have the title of the track listed.

[DragonAvenger]

Fixed! Thanks for the heads up guys!

[DrumUltimA]

Oh yeah, you spelled "Improvisation" in that same list wrong too ;)

[DragonAvenger]

I don't know what you're talking about.
>.>
<.<

[Brandon Strader]

Is it frowned upon to send a resub through email with the write-up or a new write-up. If the subject was "resub". I know there's people I could send them to but to send it in an email with the write-up included would be less hassle and would keep all the information in 1 place. Just askin'! :<

[DragonAvenger]

Gotta be one of the most confusing things I've read from you, Brandon. However, if I'm reading this correctly, the answer is yes.

[Draconiator]

I've had enough of your crap, Brandon. You take every opportunity to badmouth me.:-x

So help me, I will pee in your bed and then rip out a sick slap-bass solo as I make my triumphant escape. :nicework:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgeSB4w82s

[DragonAvenger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLgeSB4w82s

Nope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlxpJ5CXJfc

[prophetik]

your cat has huge mitten-looking paws, just like one of mine =)

[Draconiator]

So I started a remix I was planing for a while, and I had this idea of using the actual source tune for an intro, only the first 12 seconds of it (time-compressed a bit), as sort of an initial transition into the beats.

Source Tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehozBDOF_Q

Remix, so far, nowhere near done the intro: http://tindeck.com/listen/blpi

Question: May I use the source like this if I intend to submit it later?

P.S. ALSO HOW COME NO ONE HAS REMIXED DIABLO II YET?!?!?!

[Brandon Strader]

P.S. ALSO HOW COME NO ONE HAS REMIXED DIABLO II YET?!?!?!
I can answer your post-note question

cause nobody is awesome enough

that's why :<

Some music is just too good to be remixed

[Giles]

I do a lot of remastering for videogames (pretty high quality stuff). I'm wondering if I could technically submit those for judging? I don't just "add a drum loop to the original MIDI" but I take the source file and completely revamp it. It's still the same song straight from the OST, but with high quality VST instruments.

It's a real long shot, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway :P

[Fishy]

It says pretty clearly in the standards you can't just replace the instruments of a song. It has to be a meaningful rearrangement that expands on the original in some way.

[Dj Mokram]

Judge queue begins at feb 2011. How come a mix dating from july 2010 is still stuck in there?

Jul 2010 - Legend of Dragoon 'Deadbeat'

I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor guy/gal.

Also, how can there be a remix of Deus EX Human Revolution when the game (and subsequently OST) hasn't even been released yet?
...unless of course, the person who composed the soundtrack walks among us. :shock:

[Fishy]

I can't figure out from the decision what we're waiting for, but we're waiting for something from the remixer on that vote. I'm gonna blame OA for lulz.

The Deus Ex music is a named theme called 'Icarus' from the game used in an E3 trailer.

[Palpable]

I can't figure out from the decision what we're waiting for, but we're waiting for something from the remixer on that vote. I'm gonna blame OA for lulz.

Pretty sure the blame is on OA and not just for the lulz. :razz: I think he's personally helping the remixer with that one.

[Brandon Strader]

You guys do that often? Personally help people to pass? Or is that only for certain (white + rich) people? :<

EDIT:

Politically correct version:

You guys do that often? Personally help people to pass? Or is that only for certain (cool club + casual bribery) people? :<

[Level 99]

You guys do that often? Personally help people to pass? Or is that only for certain (white + rich) people? :<

I think that that is not anyone's business but Andrew's and the remixer's. Also I think what you said is actually very rude.

Edit: also, they personally help people to pass all the time by JUDGING. What else are you expecting?

[Vilecat]

You guys do that often? Personally help people to pass? Or is that only for certain (white + rich) people? :<
Wow, aren't you the biggest a-hole by just thinking this.

And it's not like you're white as snow either.

[prophetik]

You guys do that often? Personally help people to pass? Or is that only for certain (white + rich) people? :<

i think the idea was that the person clearly was almost there and just needed a bump to get over the hump. zircon helped me with my super dodge ball track several years ago with the same thing.

also, in4 racist ban.

[Brandon Strader]

I guess "taking a joke" is also reserved for a certain group I'm not a part of. :<

[DragonAvenger]

I guess "taking a joke" is also reserved for a certain group I'm not a part of. :<

Wasn't funny to me. Let's just move on to more questions when they come in.

[Brandon Strader]

Wasn't funny to me. Let's just move on to more questions when they come in.
Seems pretty clear that a lot of people didn't find that funny. So I am sorry. :-(

I will leave and let ya'll get on with the questions

[Fishy]

Srsly brandon. We can take a joke. The problem here is your joke severely lacking taste.

Here is a list of lols reasons for judge bias (that are funny cause they have genuinely been used):

casual bribery
genre bias
omg cool club
girls on the internet
etc

And for some unfathomable reason you decide calling us racists is funny in any way? OA goes out of his way to help a remixer get posted and this is his reward :/.

EDIT: I see I've been apology sniped, but I feel this is future joke advice worth leaving here.

[prophetik]

boomtiss is the only acceptable judge bias.

[Chernabogue]

Will next week's TBJ thread update reach the actual date? :wink:

[Level 99]

Will next week's TBJ thread update reach the actual date? :wink:


I sure hope not, cause then I owe them booze and food! Me and my big mouth.

[keiiii]

What kind of administrative/ behind the scenes work goes into releasing an album?

*curious* :o

[DjMystix]

I'm greatly impressed by the significant boost in Judge's Evaluation queue recently. Excellent job guys.

One quick question (probably asked a 100 times before so sorry about that):

How many NOs are required for a rejection and how many YESs are required for an acceptance? (just curious as to me, it looks like at least 3 for NO and 4 for YES, correct?)

[Liontamer]

What kind of administrative/ behind the scenes work goes into releasing an album?

*curious* :o

A lot. We have one on the horizon (that you contributed to!), so I'm too busy to answer your question, as fate would have it.

EDIT: Luckily, I'm not the only one on staff (see below!)

I'm greatly impressed by the significant boost in Judge's Evaluation queue recently. Excellent job guys.

One quick question (probably asked a 100 times before so sorry about that):

How many NOs are required for a rejection and how many YESs are required for an acceptance? (just curious as to me, it looks like at least 3 for NO and 4 for YES, correct?)

When it's uncontested, 3 NOs or 4 YESs. If the vote is split, it's usually a difference of 3 votes to close it (e.g. 4Y/1N, 1Y/4N). If it's closer than that, we usually bug every judge who will vote, then resolve if it seems no new POVs are coming in.

[Palpable]

What kind of administrative/ behind the scenes work goes into releasing an album?

*curious* :o

I can take a stab at it, but for the most part I'm not involved in these tasks, I just hear about them.

After staff has evaluated and decided the album is on the level of quality we want to release (which is a huge amount of work but not really administrative), we make sure all songs are in WAV format and have no errors, like we do for all songs released on the site; if there are, we request new versions from the project director or remixer. MP3s are encoded from those WAVs and are tagged with our standard album tagging. If there's lyrics, that goes in there too. Staff will try to double-check all of that. The album is entered into our database, a torrent is created. If no website exists, we have to make one; if one does exist, we have to make sure it looks and works ok. djp picks songs to post to the front page, and those have all the work of a usual mix post (entered into db, youtube created and uploaded). Finally, there's a lot of social media-related things that happen before and afterward, to publicize the album. I'm SURE I didn't cover everything, but it is a lot of work. :)

[Emunator]

What kind of administrative/ behind the scenes work goes into releasing an album?

*curious* :o
I can chime in on this one, it's actually a TON of work. Hope I'm not stepping on any judge's toes here, but since I'm staff and a project director/coordinator/assistant multiple times over, I think I can speak to this a bit.

Once all of the music for a project is completed, the whole album needs to go through the whole evaluation phase first, where it's basically looked at by a panel of staff to see if it's up to the OCR quality bar. Nothing really can move forward officially without passing eval. Also, staff needs to ensure that every artist on the album contributes a content policy agreement or else their songs can't be released on the album.

Once it's approved, some things involved in the release process include creating a fully-functional website with mirrors and a torrent for all artwork and music. The music all needs to be tagged and properly encoded to Larry's stringent standards in FLAC and MP3 formats. This is super in-depth.

Someone also needs to create an associated Facebook page for everybody to like. There's also the trailer and, eventually, uploading all of the individual tracks to Youtube and sometimes other sites like last.fm.

Somebody's also got to draft up a press release as well as arranging any promotional pimpage to other websites as far as interviews or pre-release reviews go.

Also, prepping any mixflood posts to accompany the album launch must be done, which entails a writeup by djp and separate OCR-format tagging for each song.

All of this needs to be pretty tightly coordinated on release day to make sure everything goes smoothly, i.e. the torrent is properly seeded, there's no typos on any of the release materials, tags, or the website, and that all of the songs are properly encoded and ready to be unleashed on the world.

There's probably more that I'm forgetting but that's just a sampling of all the stuff that needs to happen for an album to release. It's a huge amount of effort; I think a lot of folks start up projects assuming that it's just a matter of finding some quality remixers and getting a tracklist down, but it goes beyond that. Bottom line is, if you're not willing to be an integral part in making a lot of this happen, don't start a project in the first place. Getting claims and nice-sounding songs is often the easy part, but all of the non-music stuff really piles up. Staff will usually do as much as possible to help facilitate this but it requires commitment and effort from the director first and foremost to get there. This goes especially for big projects, as I'm finding out myself while tackling administrative/last-leg work for DKC3 and Maverick Rising at the same time :-P It's totally doable and actually quite a bit of fun at times, but I don't think a lot of people are really aware of the time investment and effort required to do it right.

Hope that answers your question to some extent!

[Level 99]

I can chime in on this one, it's actually a TON of work. Hope I'm not stepping on any judge's toes here, but since I'm staff and a project director/coordinator/assistant multiple times over, I think I can speak to this a bit.

Once all of the music for a project is completed, the whole album needs to go through the whole evaluation phase first, where it's basically looked at by a panel of staff to see if it's up to the OCR quality bar. Nothing really can move forward officially without passing eval. Also, staff needs to ensure that every artist on the album contributes a content policy agreement or else their songs can't be released on the album.

Once it's approved, some things involved in the release process include creating a fully-functional website with mirrors and a torrent for all artwork and music. The music all needs to be tagged and properly encoded to Larry's stringent standards in FLAC and MP3 formats. This is super in-depth.

Someone also needs to create an associated Facebook page for everybody to like. There's also the trailer and, eventually, uploading all of the individual tracks to Youtube and sometimes other sites like last.fm.

Somebody's also got to draft up a press release as well as arranging any promotional pimpage to other websites as far as interviews or pre-release reviews go.

Also, prepping any mixflood posts to accompany the album launch must be done, which entails a writeup by djp and separate OCR-format tagging for each song.

All of this needs to be pretty tightly coordinated on release day to make sure everything goes smoothly, i.e. the torrent is properly seeded, there's no typos on any of the release materials, tags, or the website, and that all of the songs are properly encoded and ready to be unleashed on the world.

There's probably more that I'm forgetting but that's just a sampling of all the stuff that needs to happen for an album to release. It's a huge amount of effort; I think a lot of folks start up projects assuming that it's just a matter of finding some quality remixers and getting a tracklist down, but it goes beyond that. Bottom line is, if you're not willing to be an integral part in making a lot of this happen, don't start a project in the first place. Getting claims and nice-sounding songs is often the easy part, but all of the non-music stuff really piles up. Staff will usually do as much as possible to help facilitate this but it requires commitment and effort from the director first and foremost to get there. This goes especially for big projects, as I'm finding out myself while tackling administrative/last-leg work for DKC3 and Maverick Rising at the same time :-P It's totally doable and actually quite a bit of fun at times, but I don't think a lot of people are really aware of the time investment and effort required to do it right.

Hope that answers your question to some extent!

Yeah, this is but a small smattering of what goes on behind the scenes. With NiGHTS coming out imminently, I can tell you for a fact that there are so many things you have to think of and tackle ahead of time for a good and smooth release. I've been prepping for release for about three months, and even then I'm still finding things that need to be done. It is very easy for some things to slip through the cracks because of how much is going on at the same time, which is why we normally try to avoid specific release dates.

But hey, for all that work, the results are worth it!

[Thin Crust]

Why are some of my final fantasy songs labeled with numbers, and others with roman numerals? I'll have one "Final Fantasy 7" and another "Final Fantasy VII"

[DragonAvenger]

Where exactly do you see this? Larry prefers the numbers, so we usually go that way (but I like the Roman numerals, so I usually remember, but....)

[KyleJCrb]

Why are some of my final fantasy songs labeled with numbers, and others with roman numerals? I'll have one "Final Fantasy 7" and another "Final Fantasy VII"

Is this in the MP3 tags? That's one inconsistency Larry is working on fixing with the new tag versions.

[Brandon Strader]

I noticed that. Another example is between songs named as Zelda 3 or A Link to the Past

[Thin Crust]

Yea, when I scroll through songs on my MP3 player, the song titles are labeled with both roman numerals and numbers. So the songs from a particular game are split up.

[Liontamer]

Yes, the older stuff has inconsistent tagging. We know.

Where have y'all been? When we do the updated torrents this year, all that will be corrected.

http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20433

[The Author]

Yes, the older stuff has inconsistent tagging. We know.

Where have y'all been? When we do the updated torrents this year, all that will be corrected.

http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20433

Surely you are not suggesting we re-download everything...

[Level 99]

Surely you are not suggesting we re-download everything...

That's exactly what he's saying. And don't call me Shirley.

[Thin Crust]

Surely you are not suggesting we re-download everything...

Well, what can they do? It's not like they can hack into our mp3 players and computers and change the title on every one that has ever been downloaded.

[Liontamer]

Well, what can they do? It's not like they can hack into our mp3 players and computers and change the title on every one that has ever been downloaded.

That project's coming in 2021. :tomatoface:

[Brandon Strader]

That project's coming in 2021. :tomatoface:
I'm not that knowledgeable with torrents, but if you updated the files in the torrent, if they had the same name, wouldn't it just download the difference in file size and update the file without downloading the entire file? :tomatoface:

[Liontamer]

I'm not that knowledgeable with torrents, but if you updated the files in the torrent, if they had the same name, wouldn't it just download the difference in file size and update the file without downloading the entire file? :tomatoface:

If the new file is different, I believe it would replace existing files by re-downloading. A torrent download isn't smart enough to "update" a file by somehow determine what bytes are different and amending existing files. A torrent will skip a file if the same version already exists in the directory you're downloading the torrent to. In other words, as long as you don't care about iTunes play counts and that kind of thing, you can just bahleet the individual ReMixes you have and get the updated ones when they come out.

[The Author]

Big problem is not listened counts, but playlists based on stuff like personal ranking.

Because YES, I HAVE FAVOURITES.

[Mirby]

that's exactly what he's saying. And don't call me shirley.

why did leslie nielsen have to die?

Wrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy??????!?!?!?!?

[Neblix]

why did leslie nielsen have to die?

Wrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy??????!?!?!?!?

NO, IT'S
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQljOzqSGMI&t=10)

:P

[Brandon Strader]

why did leslie nielsen have to die?

Wrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy??????!?!?!?!?
That's a question I would like to see answered as well.

[prophetik]

Big problem is not listened counts, but playlists based on stuff like personal ranking.

Because YES, I HAVE FAVOURITES.

direct replacement of the file should fix it, actually. there are file managers that allow for find and replace, where you can specify a file folder, and then have the program replace them.

with itunes, for example, i'd have itunes create a library on a separate computer, and have it properly relocate the files to the folders that they'd be in on my primary machine. then i'd just drag and drop, and replace them all.

[Liontamer]

direct replacement of the file should fix it, actually. there are file managers that allow for find and replace, where you can specify a file folder, and then have the program replace them.

with itunes, for example, i'd have itunes create a library on a separate computer, and have it properly relocate the files to the folders that they'd be in on my primary machine. then i'd just drag and drop, and replace them all.

I doubt that'll work. Because we're fixing most of the filesnames of everything before, say... #1600, there's gonna be a lot of files in the new torrent where stuff doesn't match up with filenames.

Aside from a more technical solution I wouldn't know, the main thing nearly all the old versions and updates versions of the files will share is the "Set Subtitle" field, which is where Dave has always put the unique OCR ID # of the mix. There were maybe 2 or 3 mixes where the ID number was typo'ed that I fixed, but otherwise that's a unique identifier that should be able to be matched up through a program like MP3tag.

[Chernabogue]

I submitted a mix (Dynamite Headdy) on June 25th but I can't see it in the TBJ list, though I didn't get a rejection letter or anything. Can someone take a look, please? :)

[Brandon Strader]

They're only up to June 20th, though having said that, they may be judging your song and just haven't added it to the list yet. :tomatoface:

[Neblix]

I submitted a mix (Dynamite Headdy) on June 25th but I can't see it in the TBJ list, though I didn't get a rejection letter or anything. Can someone take a look, please? :)

hmmmmmm....

Mixes subbed prior to June 20, 2011 on the panel (Yes, you read that correctly)

[Chernabogue]

Hey, it was June 28 when I checked the thread :shock: (also, weird, as last update was before June 21st...)

[Neblix]

Hey, it was June 28 when I checked the thread :shock: (also, weird, as last update was before June 21st...)

Can you really complain that the judging queue is less than two weeks behind current, when a few months ago it was like half a year? :P

[Liontamer]

Chernabogue: We did a stealth edit, but added yours to the panel anyway since we just messed up the date we were up to.

[Chernabogue]

Chernabogue: We did a stealth edit, but added yours to the panel anyway since we just messed up the date we were up to.
Okay, thanks Larry. :)

[Blue Magic]

Will there be a OCR page or group for Google +?

Maybe once its fully functional we can have sub groups for remixers and whatnot.

[DarkeSword]

Google+ does not have 'business' pages the way Facebook does yet. Once they roll that out, we'll go ahead and make a presence there.

[Guifrog]

If you're working on a project, sent your mix to OCR and received an almost immediate letter (like, in 3 days) with the issues to be corrected, do you have to wait another three weeks period? Or, is the answer meant to be fast to let you finish things in time so you may send it again once you're ready?

[Liontamer]

If you're working on a project, sent your mix to OCR and received an almost immediate letter (like, in 3 days) with the issues to be corrected, do you have to wait another three weeks period? Or, is the answer meant to be fast to let you finish things in time so you may send it again once you're ready?

No, you can send it back whenever. That said, keep in mind we're NOT the Workshop forums, so don't use us like them. :lol: Don't rush what you're working on.

[evktalo]

What's up with this mix (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00390/)?

--Eino

[Liontamer]

What's up with this mix (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00390/)?

--Eino

Uh... it's weird? What's your specific question/issue with that mix?

[Dj Mokram]

Uh... it's weird? What's your specific question/issue with that mix?
Maybe Eino was wondering how a mix posted in 2001 only got its own review thread about 3 days ago. ;)

[Liontamer]

Maybe Eino was wondering how a mix posted in 2001 only got its own review thread about 3 days ago. ;)

I made a new thread, since the old one got bahleeted somehow. Someone on YouTube pointed out that there was no review thread.

[Dj Mokram]

I made a new thread, since the old one got bahleeted somehow. Someone on YouTube pointed out that there was no review thread.
Ah, thanks for the info sir. The medley itself is pretty cool, especially considering it's a 10+ yrs old mix.
Glad this comment made me discover this hidden gem from the past, and I hope others will give it a listen too. :)

[evktalo]

Maybe Eino was wondering how a mix posted in 2001 only got its own review thread about 3 days ago. ;)

Yup, that's what I meant. Sorry for being so vague, I was as tired as I was curious. Thanks for clarifying this on my behalf and also thanks to Liontamer for the answer!

And yeah.. it's a pretty weird piece. Quite nice distorted ambient sounds in the opening.

--Eino

[Sir Jordanius]

Two questions. the first one might be rhetorical and a waste of space, but maybe one of you will have an awesome answer for it:

1) When BP had that horrible spill a while back, was it just oil that leaked or was hatorade seeping out, too? It seems like it's been leaking around here a bunch, particularly on the Remix Review Threads...:roll:

2) How many times can we re-edit a mix that has been "Yes'd" but hasn't officially been posted yet?
And do we have to wait the 3-week interval before re-submitting the mix and submitting another, unrelated mix, or does that re-sub (with the fixes) count as one of the standard submissions?
(I'm talking about #2 in Section 7 over here (http://ocremix.org/info/Submission_Standards_and_Instructions))

[DragonAvenger]

2) How many times can we re-edit a mix that has been "Yes'd" but hasn't officially been posted yet?
And do we have to wait the 3-week interval before re-submitting the mix and submitting another, unrelated mix, or does that re-sub (with the fixes) count as one of the standard submissions?
(I'm talking about #2 in Section 7 over here (http://ocremix.org/info/Submission_Standards_and_Instructions))

Depends on the type of edit we're talking about. If it's a little thing here and there that isn't changing anything drastically, we'd probably be inclined to take it, but we'd rather that the track be finished when you send it in. Anything that's more than a minor change isn't gonna work for us, because it would have to be re-judged. Feel free to ask us on a specific track if you really want to do a change, if nothing else we say NO (see what I did there?).

Resubs are exempt from the 3-week rule, albeit I know I'd be personally less inclined to vote on your stuff if you submit 5 resubs and a new mix at once :)

[Brandon Strader]

I made a tiny fix to a song of mine, fixed the release on mellotron pad for String chamellotron and sent Enumerator a wav... dunno if you guys have that version or the one right before it without the fixed string release. :cry: It's good to hear you'll accept little thangs like that. I fixed it cause larry was all like :cry: about them and larry is my best friend ever

Only my best friends ever have the power to influence that kind of change in a string pad release time!

[DarkeSword]

Don't sent Emunator a wave file, he isn't a judge. If you want to send in a correction, contact a member of the judges panel. Don't send a wave file either, send an MP3.

[Brandon Strader]

I sent him the wav because he was collecting the MMX Project WAVs at the time, I suppose I could send a new mp3 -- wouldn't they post the album version of the song anyway?

[DarkeSword]

Not necessarily! Sometimes a mix gets subbed at a lower bitrate to fit into OCR's filesize guidelines, whereas album encodes are possibly higher.

If you specify that you want the album version used, then we can make the mp3 ourselves and use that.

[Liontamer]

I'm just going to clarify/back up what the other Js said.

Jordanius: Seems like you want to revise Gitaroo Man... again? If the changes aren't drastic, we don't need to revote. If they are a major overhaul, like your past major overhaul, we'd need to revote. At some point, I'd call it a wrap if I were you, BUT it's your arrangement, so if you need to do some more to get it where you need it, that's fine, just keep us in the loop by mailing the judges about how it's going. Just reply to our previous conversation from the judges mailbox and I'll see it.

Strader: We generally post the album versions of mixes, so as long as your lossless version reached the project people, we'll also get it.

Also, though we prefer MP3 submissions, I have no problem encoding other people's WAVs if they need a higher bitrate but don't know the ins-and-outs of how to encode. If needed, they can always talk to me about that.

[Brandon Strader]

Thank you fellers, you could use the album version once that comes out if it would be easier... If it wouldn't be easier I can cook up an mp3 for ya. :-)

On a related note, I have that ff9 conditional track, and I've sent the fix a couple times to a couple different people, but I never actually was told what the conditional conditions were (Fishy mentioned there was a skip which I fixed) but apart from that I didn't know.... was the fix not accepted, did it not address the problems? I should send a new mp3 to someone? Or just say to use the album version again, haha? 'Cause Fishy has the fixed WAV

[Level 99]

Thank you fellers, you could use the album version once that comes out if it would be easier... If it wouldn't be easier I can cook up an mp3 for ya. :-)

On a related note, I have that ff9 conditional track, and I've sent the fix a couple times to a couple different people, but I never actually was told what the conditional conditions were (Fishy mentioned there was a skip which I fixed) but apart from that I didn't know.... was the fix not accepted, did it not address the problems? I should send a new mp3 to someone? Or just say to use the album version again, haha? 'Cause Fishy has the fixed WAV

Aren't these questions more suitable for a PM at this point?

[Sir Jordanius]

EDIT: nevermind. the gitaroo remix is fine, i'd just be adding parsley to a pb&j sandwich if I edited it anymore. thanks and sorry for the inconvenience. =/



Depends on the type of edit we're talking about. If it's a little thing here and there that isn't changing anything drastically, we'd probably be inclined to take it, but we'd rather that the track be finished when you send it in. Anything that's more than a minor change isn't gonna work for us, because it would have to be re-judged. Feel free to ask us on a specific track if you really want to do a change, if nothing else we say NO (see what I did there?).

Resubs are exempt from the 3-week rule, albeit I know I'd be personally less inclined to vote on your stuff if you submit 5 resubs and a new mix at once :)
thanks, I'm pretty sure this won't become a habit in the future. I'm most likely way too anxious to get it "perfect" because it's my first mix.:)!!

I'm just going to clarify/back up what the other Js said.

Jordanius: Seems like you want to revise Gitaroo Man... again? If the changes aren't drastic, we don't need to revote. If they are a major overhaul, like your past major overhaul, we'd need to revote. At some point, I'd call it a wrap if I were you, BUT it's your arrangement, so if you need to do some more to get it where you need it, that's fine, just keep us in the loop by mailing the judges about how it's going. Just reply to our previous conversation from the judges mailbox and I'll see it.


yessir, but definitely not a massive overhaul this time. I just want to add brass chords to the very, very end. Do I need to redo the submission form and userID and all that stuff, or just notify a judge and email the new edit?

[Brandon Strader]

Aren't these questions more suitable for a PM at this point?
Hmmm... yes... probably. :-D

[Neblix]

Hmmm... yes... probably. :-D

You're not a judge you can't answer questions in this thread

[SonicThHedgog]

Can mixes be to short?

[Liontamer]

Can mixes be to short?

If you don't have a fully developed idea, then it's too short. We ask for around at least 2 minutes, though that's not a hard time requirement. It can be shorter if the idea is fully developed (e.g. DOESN'T LOOP).

[SonicThHedgog]

If you don't have a fully developed idea, then it's too short. We ask for around at least 2 minutes, though that's not a hard time requirement. It can be shorter if the idea is fully developed (e.g. DOESN'T LOOP).
Phew" :-/

......

[DjMystix]

Have a question that might've been asked before but I'm too lazy to search (so sorry for that):

How do you guys come up with the schedule of which yes'ed mix to post? It doesn't look like chronological to when the mix was accepted, is it?

[Fishy]

djp posts them in whatever order he feels suitable. He usually tries to mix it up so there's a variety of games an styles, rather then chronologically.

[DarkeSword]

That said, posting order is mostly chronological.

[Mirby]

That makes sense to me.

Now if ya'll take any longer on posting that Boktai mix, you might as well wait until my birthday. XD

[BlackPanther]

I had a question about my Legend of Dragoon remix, what happened to it lol? It's been in the queue since June of last year, granted, OA offered to tweak it a bit and I agreed but then decided to let it go through the panel but now I don't see it anywhere on the list and I've searched the forum for a thread if it's been judged already but I haven't gotten anything O_o.

Also: What are the guidelines to submitting a song from an album?

[Fishy]

Looks like it's all OA's fault. Can't see no fix in the thread. I can send him an angry letter or a horse's head if you like.

[DragonAvenger]

Don't worry, it's all taken care of.

[BlackPanther]

Looks like it's all OA's fault. Can't see no fix in the thread. I can send him an angry letter or a horse's head if you like.

Lol if I didn't like Andrew, maybe I would take you up on that offer. But yeah, Deia gave me the scoop, thanks guys.

I'm assuming when I sub a song I just put somewhere in the message that the remix I'm submitting is part of an album?

[Liontamer]

I'm assuming when I sub a song I just put somewhere in the message that the remix I'm submitting is part of an album?

Yep, always.

[OA]

yeah, totally my bad. its resolved and I am sufficiently ashamed.

[-Dan]

I have observed that each judge has an evaluation's style, but I don't know if I am correct in my observations. Could you say something about each judge style? (or each judge can do that) if there is one more rigorous, or each different values you think important?

(ignore this question if you think it is an unethical or embarassing one)

[Palpable]

I have observed that each judge has an evaluation's style, but I don't know if I am correct in my observations. Could you say something about each judge style? (or each judge can do that) if there is one more rigorous, or each different values you think important?

(ignore this question if you think it is an unethical or embarassing one)

We don't have guidelines about how the vote should be structured or written, so people develop their own style of judging. There's a little give and take about what a judge cares most about or what they think is an issue - dissonance and dominant source usage are some areas of disagreement among the panel - but we all use what has been accepted recently (meaning last few years) as a baseline for what should be accepted. We don't have rules about tone either, but if we see a vote that we think is too harsh or unfair, we'll call each other on it.

[Brandon Strader]

Sorta on the topic of Dan's [question], how does personal preference affect voting or does it?

[OA]

I don't think judges can eliminate 100% of their biases, but we certainly try. Some judges are more experienced with different genres as well. I am more comfortable knowing what a rock mix needs to pass as opposed to a solo piano piece or something more atmospheric, for example. :-)

[Red Shadow]

so, when is the next torrent going to be released?

i recently redownloaded everything that's currently offered, and have been waiting for the next bulk batch to put the most recently released things on my ipod

[Liontamer]

so, when is the next torrent going to be released?

i recently redownloaded everything that's currently offered, and have been waiting for the next bulk batch to put the most recently released things on my ipod

Before 2011 is over, there will be updated torrents.


Sorta on the topic of Dan's [question], how does personal preference affect voting or does it?

I have no biases. I love stopwatches.

[Brandon Strader]

I was talking to a dear friend and we were wondering why (2009/12/05) Lemmings 3D 'The Fog of War' hasn't been posted :-o

Not that it's really any of our business but we were curious

[DragonAvenger]

Already been asked, already been answered. The person who's mix it is knows why there's a wait. It's cool.

[Meteo Xavier]

I have a question and I mean it as gently as possible, but I have a mix thats been in the Judge's Queue at 3 Y for the last, I think 3 months now.

Ordinarily I wouldn't bother with bothering on the time frame, but I'm curious to see why it's built up there pretty fast only to brickwall there for several months, even after Liontamer and DJP told me they'd get on it.

I'm curious what seems to be stopping it. Is there something wrong with the track or something I need to be doing about it? I know people are busy as always, but I'm getting this feeling something's wrong with the track or something.

Thank you as always.

[Brandon Strader]

I have a question and I mean it as gently as possible, but I have a mix thats been in the Judge's Queue at 3 Y for the last, I think 3 months now.

Ordinarily I wouldn't bother with bothering on the time frame, but I'm curious to see why it's built up there pretty fast only to brickwall there for several months, even after Liontamer and DJP told me they'd get on it.

I'm curious what seems to be stopping it. Is there something wrong with the track or something I need to be doing about it? I know people are busy as always, but I'm getting this feeling something's wrong with the track or something.

Thank you as always.
Same thing with The White Rider.. I'd like to know if it's no bother :|

[KyleJCrb]

I think the problem is that only like 2-3 people are voting right now, so EVERYTHING is getting brickwalled. NEEDZ MOAR ACTIVE JUDGEZ

[Meteo Xavier]

Same thing with The White Rider.. I'd like to know if it's no bother :|

Yours was posted in the Judges topic, Brandon.

[Sir Jordanius]

these questions aren't related to the discussion that's been going on.

1. How would I go about forming an Artist Group? Just for info, i'd like to make a Hip Hop Collective equivalent of The Plaid Muffins. :<
and, yes, i've been asking around so it is a bit more than 3 people. =/

2. How could a current wip album project become an official OCR album project? (sorry, i'm at work so if this was answered already you can just link me to the page/post)

thanks

[Fishy]

1. Uh... make one and submit something under that name? Dunno how that's a jooj question.

2. Make a proposal and send it to uh... any staff member except dave I guess. That should include as much info on your project, who's on it and how you're keeping quality up and examples of super bjawesome wips that show off how bjawesome your project is. Then post it in a specific staff section and we check it out and see wuts wut.

[Mirby]

Question. When a song has two or more sources from multiple games, how do you determine which game to file it under? Is it based on which source is the most prominent?

And if, hypothetically speaking, the sources all had equal usage, how would you file it then?

[Level 99]

I'm stepping out of line here to answer these qeeeeeestions

these questions aren't related to the discussion that's been going on.

1. How would I go about forming an Artist Group? Just for info, i'd like to make a Hip Hop Collective equivalent of The Plaid Muffins. :<
and, yes, i've been asking around so it is a bit more than 3 people. =/

2. How could a current wip album project become an official OCR album project? (sorry, i'm at work so if this was answered already you can just link me to the page/post)

thanks

1. Nothing special, actually. When you send in the mix itself, list the artist as the name of your group. Then in the song description, list the members names and individual OCR pages (if applicable). The artist group should automatically be formed based on the information you provide, granted that the mix is accepted. The same thing happened for the Muffins, and I believe the same thing happens for each One Ups mix, Insert Rupee, etc. etc.

2. This SHOULD be in the wiki for projects, but you should send an email to projects@ocremix.org with a project proposal and link to the thread. The proposal is reviewed and then you're contacted about it.

[Chernabogue]

Why isn't Emunator in the Jooj list? He already has crushed many mixes, so he surely deserves it now. :-D (j/k)

[Fishy]

Technically you have to crush at least 25 dreams to be a qualified judge.

[DragonAvenger]

Question. When a song has two or more sources from multiple games, how do you determine which game to file it under? Is it based on which source is the most prominent?

And if, hypothetically speaking, the sources all had equal usage, how would you file it then?

A: yes

B: case by case afaik

[TheGuitahHeroe]

Why isn't Emunator in the Jooj list? He already has crushed many mixes, so he surely deserves it now. :-D (j/k)


he's in teh jooj list now

[Abadoss]

Technically you have to crush at least 25 dreams to be a qualified judge.

Do our own dreams count? :P

[Brandon Strader]

Who has been setting the "as seen on: Some random site" things on Youtube? Is that some kind of plug for some random site where it could be as seen on OCR Site instead?

It links to, like..... reddit.

[hakstock]

Who has been setting the "as seen on: Some random site" things on Youtube? Is that some kind of plug for some random site where it could be as seen on OCR Site instead?

It links to, like..... reddit.

As far as I know, it's automatic and indicates the site from which most users came to watch the video.

[Brandon Strader]

As far as I know, it's automatic and indicates the site from which most users came to watch the video.
Ok, you're right... I posted a new vid on reddit and it says "as seen on" for my vid now. But how are OCR vids getting more traffic from reddit than through OCR?

[Chernabogue]

Ok, you're right... I posted a new vid on reddit and it says "as seen on" for my vid now. But how are OCR vids getting more traffic from reddit than through OCR?
I got the same problem with VV. I think it's the first site that features it that gets this link. Or not.

[Neblix]

But how are OCR vids getting more traffic from reddit than through OCR?

Think about the question before you ask it. :/

[Brandon Strader]

I got the same problem with VV. I think it's the first site that features it that gets this link. Or not.
Could be that, ah. They probably do get more views through the OCR site but maybe the site isn't set up in a way that it could be listed as the "as seen on" thing. *shrug* Maybe that's why it lists reddit, even thouh the vids probably get like, 30 views or less from being linked on reddit. :|

[hakstock]

Just checked the official explanation on youtube's blog (http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/04/celebrating-curators-as-seen-on-comes.html), and it says: "if a blog or site is responsible for driving a significant amount of a video's views, that site will be credited on the page"

So I guess it's based on what site made highest traffic recently. If it's updated daily or weekly, that could explain why Reddit was listed (if most views that day/week came from Reddit instead of OCR)

[Draconiator]

I have an arangement question, I've seen this term used a lot in the judges forum but my God...


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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Draconiator/vanilla-haagen-dazs-618.jpg

[Brandon Strader]

It's bland and not as fattening as chocolate.

They ain't gonna settle for vanilla if they know you got a container of cocoa nearby.

[Prophecy]

Vanilla is slang for bland, boring, uninteresting.

[halc]

I have an arangement question, I've seen this term used a lot in the judges forum but my God...


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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/Draconiator/vanilla-haagen-dazs-618.jpg

ahaha. this made me chuckle. vanilla is in fact my first choice of ice cream, but yo vanilla synths can eat it. yee yee.

[Palpable]

Vanilla is a funny adjective to use in votes, especially since vanilla ice cream is so awesome. I don't think there's anything inherently problematic about simple vanilla synths, but you need to pair it with something that captures the attention more. Instead of comparing a boring song to vanilla ice cream, compare it to a vanilla sundae with vanilla sauce and vanilla sprinkles - that's more accurate. Hmm, no, that actually sounds pretty good too.

[DjMystix]

I have a question; Will OCR accept a vocal arrangement that uses ripped vocals from the source track or someone has to sing and record their own (or someone else's) vocals for the track to become OCR compliant?

[Chernabogue]

I have a question; Will OCR accept a vocal arrangement that uses ripped vocals from the source track or someone has to sing and record their own (or someone else's) vocals for the track to become OCR compliant?
I was thinking about that too, so I second the question. :)

[Liontamer]

I have a question; Will OCR accept a vocal arrangement that uses ripped vocals from the source track or someone has to sing and record their own (or someone else's) vocals for the track to become OCR compliant?

Heavy sampling of the original game music, whether it be the instrumental or vocal lines, is discouraged. We look at it on a case by case basis, but the standards have been tightened since the days of http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00191/.

I'm just one judge, but IMO if an arrangement leans on direct sampling as a crutch to provide connections to the source material, it's an easy NO.

IMO, if you direct sample original game music, 1) it can't be for a long period of time, and 2) if you removed the sampling entirely, the arrangement still would have incorporated the source material more than enough to pass.

[Dj Mokram]

IMO, if you direct sample original game audio, 1) it can't be for a long period of time, and 2) if you removed the sampling entirely, the arrangement still would have incorporated the source material more than enough to pass.

What about using ingame dialogue to provide a backdrop for the arrangement?
Does this warrant an instant rejection as well (including for project mixes)?

[Liontamer]

What about using ingame dialogue to provide a backdrop for the arrangement?
Does this warrant an instant rejection as well (including for project mixes)?

In-game dialogue and spoken material isn't musical, so really what's limited is sampling original game music, and thus extensively direct sampling music that you yourself didn't write and create.

Dialogue sampling is fine. (Just keep it mind that it doesn't count as arrangement of source music.) djp extensively sampled in-game dialogue for his most recent mix from Crush: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02211/

[Chernabogue]

On the same theme: if I rip, for instance, some vocals by Brian Johnson (AC/DC), or another singer, and uses them in one of my mixes, is it okay or not?

[Brandon Strader]

What about sprinkling Nicholas Cage dialogue throughout a song to make it better?

[OA]

my new rule is that a track will not get a YES from me unless it has Nicholas Cage vocal clips.

[Liontamer]

On the same theme: if I rip, for instance, some vocals by Brian Johnson (AC/DC), or another singer, and uses them in one of my mixes, is it okay or not?

Already covered.

3. Any incorporation or arrangement of source material not from games (mainstream, classical, etc.) should be extremely limited.

[Chernabogue]

Already covered.
Ah, I did not see it. Thanks for the answer, Larry. :)

[KyleJCrb]

my new rule is that a track will not get a YES from me unless it has Nicholas Cage vocal clips.

Someone please use Nic Cage's screaming from the end of The Wicker Man.

[KyleJCrb]

As a serious question: Would you ever accept a remix of the Sonic 2 ending theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75gm_ovvsY)? It's originally a J-pop song by Masato Nakamura's band Dreams Come True (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bYHxwJv24), and a lot of early Sonic music actually uses some melodies from other songs by DCT, including Green Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4CXfhqBI8) and Star Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZAuEG4yho).

[halc]

As a serious question: Would you ever accept a remix of the Sonic 2 ending theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75gm_ovvsY)? It's originally a J-pop song by Masato Nakamura's band Dreams Come True (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bYHxwJv24), and a lot of early Sonic music actually uses some melodies from other songs by DCT, including Green Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4CXfhqBI8) and Star Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZAuEG4yho).

http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02122/ ?

damn, never knew about these dreams come true tracks. these are great.

[Palpable]

As a serious question: Would you ever accept a remix of the Sonic 2 ending theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75gm_ovvsY)? It's originally a J-pop song by Masato Nakamura's band Dreams Come True (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bYHxwJv24), and a lot of early Sonic music actually uses some melodies from other songs by DCT, including Green Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4CXfhqBI8) and Star Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZAuEG4yho).

I was aware of the Sonic 2/Sweet Sweet Sweet connection (in fact, I have that Dreams Come True album), but I hadn't realized there were other DCT connections. Going off of the very close release dates between that album and Sonic 2, it's likely the song was written both for his group and for the game, in which case it would be eligible to remix. I'd have to do more research to be sure, but I would definitely err on the side of letting the ending theme be eligible if we can't find something conclusive.

We had a similar discussion about Hikari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikari_(song)), but it was clear from interviews that Utada had at least kept the game in mind while writing the song (though I can't find a link for you anymore), so that was conclusive enough to say it was ok for remixing.

[CHz]

As a serious question: Would you ever accept a remix of the Sonic 2 ending theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75gm_ovvsY)? It's originally a J-pop song by Masato Nakamura's band Dreams Come True (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6bYHxwJv24), and a lot of early Sonic music actually uses some melodies from other songs by DCT, including Green Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm4CXfhqBI8) and Star Light (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZAuEG4yho).
Not touching on the other Sonic tunes, but Yuji Naka says in the liner notes of the recently released Sonic 1 & 2 soundtrack (http://vgmdb.net/album/26814) that the Sonic 2 ending theme came first and was later reworked into the vocal version:

"… after finishing all of the tracks for the sequel, Nakamura sent me a fax saying, 'I've got a present for you. It's a surprise!' The other members of Sonic Team and I tried to figure out what it might be, but we could never have guessed that Nakamura reworked the ending theme that he provided us for 'Sonic the Hedgehog 2' into a song entitled 'SWEET SWEET SWEET' for inclusion on the DREAMS COME TRUE album that he worked on in London."

[DjMystix]

Thanks for the previous answer. Another question (two actually):

1. Is it acceptable to use a non-videogame song's background stuff (drums, bass etc.) as a backdrop for a videogame arrangement? e.g. using rhythm/pattern of "Smooth Criminal" as a style for Ice Cap remix? (By "use", I mean arrange the style not just sample it)

2. Is it acceptable to include non-videogame songs as part of a videogame mix? (maybe a verse or two)

[Fishy]

1. Keep this to an absolute minimum. One off passages sure but if it's super obvious the exact song you're imitating for a large chunk of time then you're paying just as much tribute to the non-vg song, which is not what we're about.

But for example of ok use, I sometimes copy drum parts from Dream Theater songs, but never for more then 8 bars or so.

2. Again it cannot form a large part of your remix. 10-15% at the most. This is a video game arrangement community, not a mashup one.

Any incorporation or arrangement of source material not from games (mainstream, classical, etc.) should be extremely limited.

[PROTO·DOME]

1. Is it acceptable to use a non-videogame song's background stuff (drums, bass etc.) as a backdrop for a videogame arrangement? e.g. using rhythm/pattern of "Smooth Criminal" as a style for Ice Cap remix? (By "use", I mean arrange the style not just sample it)Are you on about actually intentionally cameoing it, or just taking inspiration from that rhythm/chord sequence? Because in a way I don't think you can avoid the latter, everyone does it.

[Rozovian]

What's the policy on marketing yourself as a composer in the Recruit & Collab forum? It's kind'a like selling ice to eskimos (as iirc Meteo put it), but it doesn't say anywhere that you can't do it, and there's no other place on the forum for it (short of sharing remixes or originals, which tends to not be the goal of those posts).

I don't really like it, as there's loads of aspiring composers in the community contributing to the community who deserve the publicity posts like that can generate, and if we start having lots of self-marketing posts there we'd have collab requests and recruiting posts get drowned... by non-community ppl just marketing themselves, and ocr folks making use of the opportunity in a community they're a part of.

It doesn't happen too often, and I'm not saying every aspiring composer isn't gonna contribute to ocr, but perhaps a sticky on what should and shouldn't go into that forum would be a good thing.

[DarkeSword]

What's the policy on marketing yourself as a composer in the Recruit & Collab forum? It's kind'a like selling ice to eskimos (as iirc Meteo put it), but it doesn't say anywhere that you can't do it, and there's no other place on the forum for it (short of sharing remixes or originals, which tends to not be the goal of those posts).

I don't really like it, as there's loads of aspiring composers in the community contributing to the community who deserve the publicity posts like that can generate, and if we start having lots of self-marketing posts there we'd have collab requests and recruiting posts get drowned... by non-community ppl just marketing themselves, and ocr folks making use of the opportunity in a community they're a part of.

It doesn't happen too often, and I'm not saying every aspiring composer isn't gonna contribute to ocr, but perhaps a sticky on what should and shouldn't go into that forum would be a good thing.
Not really a judge question, but yeah, I think that kind of thing ought to be discouraged.

[SonicThHedgog]

1. So in the "TO BE JUDGED " post, im confused, its says that the panel should look at mixes on or before nov "x" (as any date in november to simplify what im getting at). so does that mean including mixes since august-sept?

2. Can I do straight guitar and drum covers of songs, kinda like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7-ixllcgo and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF99oeiaznk&feature=related but faster in tempo.

3. If I add the phrase "pancakes" to my mixes under a vox synth (or vocoder), will it increase chances of gets a "Yes"?

[Palpable]

1. So in the "TO BE JUDGED " post, im confused, its says that the panel should look at mixes on or before nov "x" (as any date in november to simplify what im getting at). so does that mean including mixes since august-sept?

2. Can I do straight guitar and drum covers of songs, kinda like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7-ixllcgo and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF99oeiaznk&feature=related but faster in tempo.

3. If I add the phrase "pancakes" to my mixes under a vox synth (or vocoder), will it increase chances of gets a "Yes"?

1. Yes, we've looked at everything before Nov 13. If you submitted something before that date that didn't show up on this list, and you didn't get a direct rejection email about it, PM one of us.

2. This site is about interpretation. Anything where you're just straight copying the parts for guitar and drums is not gonna pass.

3. It might.

[KyleJCrb]

3. If I add the phrase "pancakes" to my mixes under a vox synth (or vocoder), will it increase chances of gets a "Yes"?

Waffles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOArkrjVoiw) are much more likely.

[SonicThHedgog]

Waffles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOArkrjVoiw) are much more likely.
Its time to make edits! (j/k)

[DjMystix]

Are you on about actually intentionally cameoing it, or just taking inspiration from that rhythm/chord sequence? Because in a way I don't think you can avoid the latter, everyone does it.

I almost, always try to come up with new styles but just once, I actually wanted to do Ice Cap mix with just about everything taken from "Smooth Criminal" as inspiration. Don't think it'll be accepted though :)

[SonicThHedgog]

wow I just realized you guys got alotta remixes to review in panel since early this year :O

[Brandon Strader]

wow I just realized you guys got alotta remixes to review in panel since early this year :O
Can you rephrase that in the form of a question? :lol:

Yeah the judges are kicking buttox indeed. You'd think with 3 new jooj's they'd be closing votes out like wildfire, pretty great though still.

[SonicThHedgog]

Can you rephrase that in the form of a question? :lol:

Yeah the judges are kicking buttox indeed. You'd think with 3 new jooj's they'd be closing votes out like wildfire, pretty great though still.
Im afraid to ask why XD

[DjMystix]

Im afraid to ask why XD

What worries me even more is that the pace of posting mixes (from the TO BE POSTED list) is even slower (Well I know the answer to that already: With a new album, special entry jumping in between more frequently etc.)

[Draconiator]

If a source repeats a phrase but in a different key, do you have to put a keychange into your track as well to follow the source?

I'm asking because I am remixing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwlokKgViiw

and it repeats the same phrase twice. The second time after the bridge (which I know I must add) and at a higher key (one semitone up actually).

would it be okay if I more or less stayed at the same key?

[Fishy]

You don't have to follow key at all, if you can pull it off musically and recognisably.

[ambient]

Ok, Judges. Got one for you.

I am almost done with a remix that uses samples from like 5 different posted OCRemixes, most in rather subtle and (I think) clever ways. It is a tribute mix to Marc Star's remix of Sakura's Theme from Street Fighter. It is definitely its own remix.

Would a limited usage of samples (like small string phrases, drum fills, guitar licks) from other OCRemixes be acceptable when submitting a remix?

[Liontamer]

Ok, Judges. Got one for you.

I am almost done with a remix that uses samples from like 5 different posted OCRemixes, most in rather subtle and (I think) clever ways. It is a tribute mix to Marc Star's remix of Sakura's Theme from Street Fighter. It is definitely its own remix.

Would a limited usage of samples (like small string phrases, drum fills, guitar licks) from other OCRemixes be acceptable when submitting a remix?

I'd have to hear it and just how heavily the sampling is tied to the overall arrangement. Seems case by case to me, just offhand.

[ambient]

I'd have to hear it and just how heavily the sampling is tied to the overall arrangement. Seems case by case to me, just offhand.

This sounds reasonable.

[jordanrooben]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but, are there any rules or recommendations on how often you should post in the WIP forums? I tend to have a lot of free time for remixing, but the amount of feedback in the WIP forums isn't at the same level, so I tend to work on other mixes I have in progress as well as make some new ones. On a typical weekend I could make 2 or 3 mixes, and I'm worried that posting all of them might be overkill. Am I just over thinking this?

[Dr Pepper Diet]

What are your feelings regarding use of samples, soundfonts, and presets?

Do you find a mix to be of lesser value if these are used, as opposed to an author making their own patches and/or recording physical instruments?

[Matt E. Waldman]

doot doot
http://content.screencast.com/users/MattInc/folders/Jing/media/7977ee03-95a0-44ee-bfdc-5556a66f6563/2012-01-18_1937.png

This album project was released in July, and my mix from the project has been in the "TO BE POSTED" queue for quite some time. Just wondering when this'll be posted! Forgive me for being incredibly impatient. :lol:

[Liontamer]

We will post it a quarter to never!

[Darangen]

Is there a method to the post selections? There are quite a few in the TBP list, some from over a year ago, some from last year, etc. Is there a selection process that is used to determine which one from the list gets posted next?

[Level 99]

Is there a method to the post selections? There are quite a few in the TBP list, some from over a year ago, some from last year, etc. Is there a selection process that is used to determine which one from the list gets posted next?

Though the bottom line is posting chronologically, there are things that sway which mixes are posted when. There's a lot of these, so it does kind of make it look random at times, but here's just a few examples:

1) An album mixflood
2) Some event happening that a TBP mix can be relevant to (see the Minecraft posting around Minecon, or the recent postings for Gario, Flexstyle, and Rozovian for their Workshop Mod promotion, or even the mini-mixflood on the Metroid anniversary day last year)
3) Outside material is released and some of it has been submitted to OCR (see The One-Ups Super Mario Kart mix released near the time they did their album, or the mixes posted when Hylian Lemon released his Essence of Lime album)

On the backend, there are some things that determine which mixes are available to post. Some of those older ones may have some minor thing that needs remedying, such as getting a proper bitrate version or consent of multiple artists if needed. There are a few other things, but you get the idea. It also really just depends on what Dave wants to post that day, but he does like to fall back on chronological order if all else fails.

Hope that helps answer your question!

Edit:

What are your feelings regarding use of samples, soundfonts, and presets?

Do you find a mix to be of lesser value if these are used, as opposed to an author making their own patches and/or recording physical instruments?

Speaking strictly about patches, soundfonts, and presets, it doesn't really matter as long as it works. If something SOUNDS vanilla and boring and not good, then yes, it makes a difference. However, if it sounds good and tight and awesome, doesn't matter what they are. I personally use a lot of stock stuff and other people's presets because I'm not very good at making my own, nor do I have the knowledge to make stuff from scratch. And for things like Kontakt and Omnisphere, the presets that they come with are awesome.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but, are there any rules or recommendations on how often you should post in the WIP forums? I tend to have a lot of free time for remixing, but the amount of feedback in the WIP forums isn't at the same level, so I tend to work on other mixes I have in progress as well as make some new ones. On a typical weekend I could make 2 or 3 mixes, and I'm worried that posting all of them might be overkill. Am I just over thinking this?

I'd say posting one every 3 days would probably be the best way to have your WIP mixes up without seeming like spamming. There's no hard-rule but obviously there's some logic in not shooting yourself in the foot by posting way more than people can get to. Sooner or later, it might be best to only post some of what you do there, and do the rest via direct feedback with people on the side.

[SonicThHedgog]

Yay more new judgments!

Is there like a special days you guys do this?

[Brandon Strader]

You guys took so long of a break from NO'ing that people think it's a special occasion :lol: haha... You still judged in the background though, not that the average person would know.

I wanted to ask what's up with electronica. Does OCR receive primarily electronica submissions? How many metal ones do you get and how many of them succeed in passing the panel? Sometimes it seems like metal is less encouraged, it doesn't get featured very often... Unsung Heroes was an awesome album and it got a great few acoustic songs on the front page. Most of the non-album tracks are electronica, and I think there's a couple orchestral, maybe 3. There is no metal on the front page and apart from Sixto's "The Shredder", there is no metal on the Previous On... section at the bottom. :-o

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, or j'accuse or anything, I was just curious about some of the figures about what you receive and what makes it, etc.

[AngelCityOutlaw]

You guys took so long of a break from NO'ing that people think it's a special occasion :lol: haha... You still judged in the background though, not that the average person would know.

I wanted to ask what's up with electronica. Does OCR receive primarily electronica submissions? How many metal ones do you get and how many of them succeed in passing the panel? Sometimes it seems like metal is less encouraged, it doesn't get featured very often... Unsung Heroes was an awesome album and it got a great few acoustic songs on the front page. Most of the non-album tracks are electronica, and I think there's a couple orchestral, maybe 3. There is no metal on the front page and apart from Sixto's "The Shredder", there is no metal on the Previous On... section at the bottom. :-o

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, or j'accuse or anything, I was just curious about some of the figures about what you receive and what makes it, etc.

I've wondered this too.

There needs to be moar metal!

[Palpable]

You guys took so long of a break from NO'ing that people think it's a special occasion :lol: haha... You still judged in the background though, not that the average person would know.

I wanted to ask what's up with electronica. Does OCR receive primarily electronica submissions? How many metal ones do you get and how many of them succeed in passing the panel? Sometimes it seems like metal is less encouraged, it doesn't get featured very often... Unsung Heroes was an awesome album and it got a great few acoustic songs on the front page. Most of the non-album tracks are electronica, and I think there's a couple orchestral, maybe 3. There is no metal on the front page and apart from Sixto's "The Shredder", there is no metal on the Previous On... section at the bottom. :-o

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, or j'accuse or anything, I was just curious about some of the figures about what you receive and what makes it, etc.

Pretty sure we just get less metal then electronica, it's not at all a question of what we encourage (which is everything). I mean, I'd say the number of subs we get that feature any live instrumentation is less than the number of totally synthetic songs, though I haven't crunched the numbers.

[SonicThHedgog]

1.)Custom AVIs, PLEEASE WITH PANKAYKz?

2.)Is there a way we can have a topicless thread with random discussions, it works perfect in other forums when some rules are applied

[DarkeSword]

1.)Custom AVIs, PLEEASE WITH PANKAYKz?

2.)Is there a way we can have a topicless thread with random discussions, it works perfect in other forums when some rules are applied
1) Not sure what you're asking about.
2) No!

[Rozovian]

Probably avatars. Probably not this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Interleave).

[SonicThHedgog]

Sorry, yes avatars.

Will there ever be custom avatars in thr future.

[Mirby]

The only way to get a custom avatar is to have done something for the site or with your career or something. You have to earn it, basically.

For now, the best we can do is create the little 32x32 GIFs and post them in the Forum Avatars thread under Projects and wait for the rare times when Larry goes through them and adds the acceptable ones.

[SonicThHedgog]

The only way to get a custom avatar is to have done something for the site or with your career or something. You have to earn it, basically.

For now, the best we can do is create the little 32x32 GIFs and post them in the Forum Avatars thread under Projects and wait for the rare times when Larry goes through them and adds the acceptable ones.ahhh I see

[Brandon Strader]

It's the weirdest thing but whenever I'm on this site it starts to look like the very light gray gradients are pink, so then the site looks pink to me... It's kinda weird, I don't think you guys are changing it to pink. I can't help but see pink on the lighter grays though.

You guys need beta testers for the new site design? :-o

[Electrolisystem]

It's the weirdest thing but whenever I'm on this site it starts to look like the very light gray gradients are pink, so then the site looks pink to me... It's kinda weird, I don't think you guys are changing it to pink. I can't help but see pink on the lighter grays though.


IMO its probably the color balance on your monitor.

[Liontamer]

It's the weirdest thing but whenever I'm on this site it starts to look like the very light gray gradients are pink, so then the site looks pink to me... It's kinda weird, I don't think you guys are changing it to pink. I can't help but see pink on the lighter grays though.

Or yellow light reflecting on the monitor that makes the gray look like it has a pink tint.

You guys need beta testers for the new site design? :-o

We've never needed any.

[Electrolisystem]

Or yellow light reflecting on the monitor that makes the gray look like it has a pink tint.

Yeah, any light imbalances will make the gray (which I think is between #888888 and #cccccc) appear anything but. If your monitor has more red than anything else, then the color will view as #ddcccc instead of the #cccccc as the webpage html codes for (or whatever the #hexdec value is)

[Brandon Strader]

It looks like it is baby blue when I look at the site on my smartphone like I am doing now. So weird, I use an HDTV as a monitor, it's also big enough to be the light source of the room so there's no reflections. One of those things I guess. Tv has pink booties, smartphone has blue booties. I'm excited for the new site design that was displayed somewhat at mag x. Is it going to launch this year?

[Nutritious]

We've never needed any.

1st rule of ocremix: DJP never makes a mistake.

[djpretzel]

RE: Beta testers, not precisely, but what we do need is folks that, when we go live, try to avoid kneejerk reactions, help us track any issues, etc. - it's easier to get feedback on a production site from a lot of people and fix it as we go, and that's the plan.

I keep wanting to fix more things and add more stuff but at this point I need to keep reminding myself that we just need to get it out there. Ultimately, the features & content we add after the fact are more important than the facelift, but you have to start somewhere.

[SonicThHedgog]

Yeah, any light imbalances will make the gray (which I think is between #888888 and #cccccc) appear anything but. If your monitor has more red than anything else, then the color will view as #ddcccc instead of the #cccccc as the webpage html codes for (or whatever the #hexdec value is)
This is why I like tube moniters, but there so dang heavy.

[KyleJCrb]

1st rule of ocremix: DJP never makes a mistake.

Except the sidebar. Oh sidebar...

[Brandon Strader]

Except the sidebar. Oh sidebar...
Excuse me, was the sidebar a mistake or are you saying the removal of the sidebar was the mistake? I don't remember the sidebar but I'm sure it was amazing.

[Electrolisystem]

Except the sidebar. Oh sidebar...

I think he more or less changed his mind. DJP NEVER MAKES MISTAKES, YOU GOT THAT?!?!?!?:banghead:

[Mirby]

Excuse me, was the sidebar a mistake or are you saying the removal of the sidebar was the mistake? I don't remember the sidebar but I'm sure it was amazing.

Really? I remember the sidebar, and you've been here far longer than I have.

And it was a bit... odd. I dunno... Something aobut it always struck me as off.

[KyleJCrb]

Excuse me, was the sidebar a mistake or are you saying the removal of the sidebar was the mistake? I don't remember the sidebar but I'm sure it was amazing.

There were a few mistakes made with the sidebar and how the response to it was handled (on both sides.) I think it was about this time where more of the underlying feelings of the rest of the site vs. UnMod really began to come to light. Here, let's allow The Coop to explain (http://coop.herograw.net/ocrquirks/Sidebar.html).

[Liontamer]

There were a few mistakes made with the sidebar and how the response to it was handled (on both sides.) I think it was about this time where more of the underlying feelings of the rest of the site vs. UnMod really began to come to light. Here, let's allow The Coop to explain (http://coop.herograw.net/ocrquirks/Sidebar.html).

There was no mistake on our side, so we can forget that "everyone's kind of at fault" nonsense. :lol:

[KyleJCrb]

There was no mistake on our side, so we can forget that "everyone's kind of at fault" nonsense. :lol:

But the sidebar WAS pretty ugly, and that was certainly OCR's fault. :-P

[Liontamer]

But the sidebar WAS pretty ugly, and that was certainly OCR's fault. :-P

Your poop is ugly.

[Brandon Strader]

You know I am sure I was on these forums during the time of the sidebar, and I remember there being a login panel on the left, but I never considered it to be a "sidebar" so much. I am not on The Copo's list of people who were banned from the sidebar bashing tirade. I thought the sidebar, if that's what it was, was great and a useful utility that should return and I hope it does.

[KyleJCrb]

The best image I can seem to find of the sidebar is this old screenshot of EA ReMix (http://kngi.org/img/EAReMix.png) I capped back in '05. I thought djp kept a page of OCR design history with screenshots, but it seems to be long gone, or I'm just dumb and can't find it.

[Brandon Strader]

THAT was the sidebar?! I didn't know! It doesn't even look like a traditional sidebar... I liked that thing, I think it needs to make a return.

You hear that djp! Bring it back! :-D

[SonicThHedgog]

The best image I can seem to find of the sidebar is this old screenshot of EA ReMix (http://kngi.org/img/EAReMix.png) I capped back in '05. I thought djp kept a page of OCR design history with screenshots, but it seems to be long gone, or I'm just dumb and can't find it.
Ok that was heinous

odious as a..... yah get the point

[Darangen]

Haha, EA Remix, that was a good april fools joke :)

[Mirby]

THAT was the sidebar?! I didn't know! It doesn't even look like a traditional sidebar... I liked that thing, I think it needs to make a return.

You hear that djp! Bring it back! :-D

inb4 brandon gets preemptively banned for suggesting this :tomatoface:

[KyleJCrb]

You'd think I'd get banned before he would for dragging up this old crap. :-P

[Mirby]

You're not the one who wants the sidebar back! XD

[Brandon Strader]

So I know they allow Tetis remixes of that Russian folk song etc..

Where does the site stand on remixes of public domain pieces that are over 100 years old and not copyrighted anymore?

If not on its own, can it be included as part of a medley?

The public domain music in question is indeed a game music

[zircon]

Tetris is the ONLY exception. Anything else is not eligible to use as source material. You can reference it briefly, but no more so than any other non-vgm song or tune.

[SonicThHedgog]

If I choose to do a remix of a 2-4 note song like the invader song (with one classical music refrence). Would it be allowed?

[DarkeSword]

If I choose to do a remix of a 2-4 note song like the invader song (with one classical music refrence). Would it be allowed?

No .

[Brandon Strader]

Man, how long has this super sweet and beautiful little Teen Agent custom album avatar been there?

This for whoever made it: <3

[halc]

still waiting for TSOS avatar. i'll use it, I promise.

[SonicThHedgog]

Uno xbox 360?

[Guifrog]

I wonder how the policies would apply to Spore? I mean, even though Spore's soundtrack changes its structure constantly depending on the player's choices of gameplay, I've noticed that the main menu seems to have a somewhat memorable melody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JGYc1XHAw), no matter what samples/pitch/tempo/blorgh make it.

I'm aware that it sounds like a tricky track to work with btw :P

[Brandon Strader]

Uhmm..... Can I send in a VBR1 encode for all the mixes I have waiting to be posted?

I could prepare a ZIP file :tomatoface:

Or you don't need the updates because they are already 192kbps and that's the acceptable minimum?

[Liontamer]

Uhmm..... Can I send in a VBR1 encode for all the mixes I have waiting to be posted?

I could prepare a ZIP file :tomatoface:

Or you don't need the updates because they are already 192kbps and that's the acceptable minimum?

Doesn't matter either way to me. I'm also accepting WAVs if you don't feel like thinking about it. All the projects mixes you've done though, I already have WAVs of those.

[Brandon Strader]

Oh yeah, thank you Larry... where should I send a zip link for the non-project ones? PM?

And can I include already-posted mixes or just upcoming?

[Liontamer]

Oh yeah, thank you Larry... where should I send a zip link for the non-project ones? PM?

And can I include already-posted mixes or just upcoming?

All that's fine.

[SonicThHedgog]

Can I remix the uno music from the xbox 360 arcade game?

[DarkeSword]

Can I remix the uno music from the xbox 360 arcade game?
Was it written specifically for a video game?

[SonicThHedgog]

Was it written specifically for a video game?
Thats what im not sure of :(

[Red Shadow]

might i be so bold as to inquire once again about any plans for a potential upcoming 1901-XX torrent?

[Level 99]

might i be so bold as to inquire once again about any plans for a potential upcoming 1901-XX torrent?

Its being worked on. Trust me, I bug them enough about it internally that it'll be done sooner rather than later. Although that's all relative to perspective of time. Just know that I never let them forget that we have to do it :p

[Liontamer]

Its being worked on. Trust me, I bug them enough about it internally that it'll be done sooner rather than later. Although that's all relative to perspective of time. Just know that I never let them forget that we have to do it :p

More like, it's done when I say it's done. :lol: It's gradually getting closer to done.

[Level 99]

More like, it's done when I say it's done. :lol: It's gradually getting closer to done.

Less time posting, more time getting the torrent done.

I mean, come on, the current torrent was back before I was even a posted mixer. Now I've been on staff for over a year.
[this is where you should say that the current torrent is better because I'm not on it]

:lmassoff:

[Brandon Strader]

Yeah the last torrent was before I was even a regular on the site!

Let's all shame Larry, that'll DEFINITELY HELP.. :lol:

But naw we have fun, I appreciate everything you guys are doing.

[Liontamer]

There's no shaming that'll work. Posting is djp's gig, that doesn't affect anything with the torrent. I'm a busy man. :lol:

[Draconiator]

Just notifying Larry he has a PM from me. I IMed him but just letting ya know. :)

[Rockos]

I don't know if this question has been answered cause there is 51 page to read.

Why some mix subbed in 2009 and in the 'to be posted' are still not posted?

[Melbu Frahma]

I don't know if this question has been answered cause there is 51 page to read.

Why some mix subbed in 2009 and in the 'to be posted' are still not posted?

There's an answer a few pages back, let me find it.

Though the bottom line is posting chronologically, there are things that sway which mixes are posted when. There's a lot of these, so it does kind of make it look random at times, but here's just a few examples:

1) An album mixflood
2) Some event happening that a TBP mix can be relevant to (see the Minecraft posting around Minecon, or the recent postings for Gario, Flexstyle, and Rozovian for their Workshop Mod promotion, or even the mini-mixflood on the Metroid anniversary day last year)
3) Outside material is released and some of it has been submitted to OCR (see The One-Ups Super Mario Kart mix released near the time they did their album, or the mixes posted when Hylian Lemon released his Essence of Lime album)

On the backend, there are some things that determine which mixes are available to post. Some of those older ones may have some minor thing that needs remedying, such as getting a proper bitrate version or consent of multiple artists if needed. There are a few other things, but you get the idea. It also really just depends on what Dave wants to post that day, but he does like to fall back on chronological order if all else fails.

Hope that helps answer your question!

Hopefully that doesn't step on the staff's toes. :-( I just know it's something I wondered about for the longest time, and made a point of noting when that answer was given.

[DragonAvenger]

Thanks for saving me the work of finding the answer, Melbu!

[Rockos]

Thanks for the quick reply!

[Darangen]

What is Jooj-cat's favorite food?

[hakstock]

What is Jooj-cat's favorite food?

Killer studio chops?

[Electrolisystem]

What is Jooj-cat's favorite food?Killer studio chops?

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll16/darangen/killer_studio_chops.jpg