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prophetik
03-08-2009, 08:43 PM
the rape scene was really uncomfortable for me to watch. like, it was disturbing. you might not all get that, but i'm married, so it's different for me.
dPaladin
03-08-2009, 09:03 PM
Yeah, you know what it's like to be raped because you're married.
Jaybell
03-08-2009, 09:13 PM
Also, worst use of Hallelujah.
Now whenever I hear that song I'll just end up thinking about that drawn out sex scene.
LuketheXjesse
03-08-2009, 09:22 PM
Also, worst use of Hallelujah.
Ahahahahah I noticed that too XD
Bleck
03-08-2009, 09:22 PM
I'd rather that song remind me of a sex scene than of a 3D animated ogre sitting at a table, all alone and melancholy.
Maco70
03-09-2009, 02:20 AM
It was good.
Not great.
Good.
...It could have been great.
Anyone else surprised at the amount of gore in the film? It seemed very unnecessary for most scenes.
SPOILERS:
I hate that they destroyed the scene when Rorschach is "born". Turning him from a sociopath into an axe wielding crazy was disappointing. But I nitpick...
Also, worst use of Hallelujah.
Now whenever I hear that song I'll just end up thinking about that drawn out sex scene.
Yes.
Maco I disagree, it seemed to me, it followed pretty damn close to the comic. few changes, nothing super huge. Overall
Great movie.
For some reason friends that haven't seen it. Tell me alot of their friends say it was shit :(. That makes me sad..
TheSnowStorm
03-09-2009, 02:38 AM
I was thinking that Jackie Earle Haley, aka Rorschach, would be so perfect for the part of Cletus Kasady (Carnage) in the Spiderman movies.
So true. Seeing Haley perform as Rorschach, he would be perfect for Carnage. Rorschach's brutality is truly displayed during the scene with the kidnapper and in the prison.
TheSnowStorm
03-09-2009, 02:40 AM
The brutally of Rorschach made me love him a lot. In the theater I went, people started clapping for him when
He savagely cut up that kidnapper after he fed her to those dogs.
Nekofrog
03-09-2009, 02:42 AM
You utterly fail at spoiler tag.
Thanks.
Maco70
03-09-2009, 02:42 AM
Maco I disagree, it seemed to me, it followed pretty damn close to the comic. few changes, nothing super huge. Overall
Re-read my post...
It followed it very close..aside from the things it outright cut and that ending.
Anyone notice the name printed on the "device" used at the end?
"Project S.Q.U.I.D."
Clever maybe?
I see the novel as a many layered story. The movie removes several layers... and several of them are the wrong layers.
It was "good".
I cannot imagine how 2 hours of character development and 45 minutes of fight scenes would be impressive to the casual viewer.
The brutally of Rorschach made me love him a lot. In the theater I went, people started clapping for him when
He savagely cut up that kidnapper after he fed her to those dogs.
I think the scene in the novel was much more effective.
dPaladin
03-09-2009, 02:48 AM
I liked the use of Hallelujah. I'm pretty sure it was meant to be funny and it succeeded.
The Vagrance
03-09-2009, 02:55 AM
I hate that they destroyed the scene when Rorschach is "born". Turning him from a sociopath into an axe wielding crazy was disappointing. .
I actually didn't mind it. They didn't have enough time to fully develop the character so they just kinda amped up the brutal a couple of notches in a shorter time span, although I quite love the story in the comic book as to how he got his mask, and I also wish they didn't make it seem like he hated the psychologist so much (in fact, I kinda wish they fleshed out the psychologist more)
Liontamer
03-09-2009, 03:24 AM
Good deal, but not great. The comic is the best thing I've ever read, so it was a shame that so many important details had to be glossed over. Regardless, they ended up going pretty faithful with it with the time they had. When Alan Moore said that Watchmen wasn't designed to be a movie, I understand where he is coming from. It's a uniquely comic book style experience.
prophetik
03-09-2009, 03:27 AM
not enough time.
i loved the 'some clouds' line, i laughed quite hard at that.
edit: this was for vagrance, not lt.
dPaladin
03-09-2009, 03:57 AM
You utterly fail at spoiler tag.
Thanks.
He's not the best with pronouns either.
Linkjing Donuts
03-09-2009, 06:11 AM
boo this movie didn't follow the comic book to the very detail because that's what i wanted and i'm sure everyone will agree fuck you zack for doing your best to keep it at a decent length for casual viewers i want the movie to be 5 hours long do it now or else
I-n-j-i-n
03-09-2009, 07:38 AM
Way, way, way, way, way better than the Dark Knight could hope to be. I'm just disappointed that the non-celeb actors acted like they were non-celebs for the most parts. Lots of little rookie-isms as far as the acting itself went. Also might be a bit overlong for many viewers. I don't mind the movie not being a replica of the comic book. It couldn't have been anyway, and it's basically as good as they could possibly hope to make it. There's even a talk of a sequel and I'm intrigued by that, though the geeks will froth at the mouth over that.
Upthorn
03-09-2009, 09:43 AM
I saw the movie tonight, and my overall feeling is that it pretty well did the graphic novel justice. Yes, some parts which would have helped to bring the story into a fuller light were cut. However, strictly speaking, they weren't necessary to follow the story.
In fact, when I read the graphic novel, I skipped over "Under the Hood" and "Tales of the Black Freighter" segments when I got to them, and then went back and read them after I finished the storyline proper.
Perhaps, though, it would have worked better as two 2.5 hour movies instead of one 3 hour film.
Saw it, loved it. Haven't read the book (yet) so I'm coming from a different perspective than most of the contributors of this thread.
You could easily say that it was slow going in many parts, it's pace was set up to help you really enjoy the climax, without the needed character development it would be hard to see why the characters made the choices they did and. I thought the ending was awesome, wrapped up everything into a nice bow, even sounds better than the original ending, seems like it possibly gave some characters more depth in the end while maintaining the same moral points that it was getting across in the book. People that didn't like the pacing are usually those impatient types that always need something stimulating them. It's like sex, some people would prefer to climax every few seconds, but the best climax to have is one that is built slowly, taking your time, enjoying the process and then "pop" what a glorious climax, twas the end of the movie, I left satisfied. Unlike woman that have their men always wanting to pop one off real quick.
"It's business, It's business time"
"business is closed"
TheHands
03-09-2009, 01:11 PM
Read the book first. They changed a lot, but omitted many things for the sake of time. If they'd done the book word for word, it would've taken 7 hours and been nothing but dated 80's cheese. Some of the changes and adaptations are actually better than the book. I liked the prison scene better in film than in the book.
The only complaints I've really heard from people who can stand the time (2 hours, 43 minutes) is that there's a lot of characters, and Dr. Manhattan's penis shows too often. This is not true, unless you're looking for his penis. If you stare at the blue dong, then yes, it'll be there as often as Rorschach (who's in nearly every scene from the intro montage until the prison scene, if you know how to look for him).
It's worth seeing. Don't listen to critics who want to pan it, or to fan boys who'll have nothing but praise. Decide for yourself how you like it.
Side note for anyone who's read and seen: How did you feel about Scarlet Spectre (both)'s changes in character? Specter I was so much more flat in the film than the book, and Specter II was never a female character worth anything more than being a plot device originally. I kinda don't like the changes.
prophetik
03-09-2009, 02:20 PM
i missed that rorschach is in all the scenes. i'll have to go back and look again.
Master_Yoshi
03-09-2009, 02:41 PM
I liked the characterization in the movie a bit more, since in the book Silk Spectre II was a bit flat. Overall much better.
I have figured out what I dislike about the ending though. It's not just a fanboy outrage, but more of a thematic one.
In the book with a neutral third party (seemingly) ending the fighting, all the characters made decisions based on what they felt was right. There was that excellent scene at the end of the book where Dr. Manhattan walks around with a smile over everyone, then outside and deals with Rorschach. Overall, the characters made their choices whether things were right, and the audience decided whether they felt the choices were ok.
In the movie though, Dr. Manhattan himself is pulled into the resolution, and rather than peacefully leaving for his own reasons he is basically forced into exile to maintain the peace. After that, the characters only have the choice of whether to reveal that Manhattan is innocent against his own wishes. It then falls on the audience to make a judgement call on whether they thought what the characters thought was right.
Rorschach's book was probably a bit more powerful in the movie though, since I always thought that in the book it was kind of Hokey that there would only be one alien attack but then nothing else and people would be peaceful anyways. At least with a tangible "god" figure you can expect that peoples' fear would help them figure out what is really important.
Arek the Absolute
03-09-2009, 03:20 PM
I liked the characterization in the movie a bit more, since in the book Silk Spectre II was a bit flat. Overall much better.
I have figured out what I dislike about the ending though. It's not just a fanboy outrage, but more of a thematic one.
In the book with a neutral third party (seemingly) ending the fighting, all the characters made decisions based on what they felt was right. There was that excellent scene at the end of the book where Dr. Manhattan walks around with a smile over everyone, then outside and deals with Rorschach. Overall, the characters made their choices whether things were right, and the audience decided whether they felt the choices were ok.
In the movie though, Dr. Manhattan himself is pulled into the resolution, and rather than peacefully leaving for his own reasons he is basically forced into exile to maintain the peace. After that, the characters only have the choice of whether to reveal that Manhattan is innocent against his own wishes. It then falls on the audience to make a judgement call on whether they thought what the characters thought was right.
Rorschach's book was probably a bit more powerful in the movie though, since I always thought that in the book it was kind of Hokey that there would only be one alien attack but then nothing else and people would be peaceful anyways. At least with a tangible "god" figure you can expect that peoples' fear would help them figure out what is really important.
she is still pretty flat in the movie though amirite lolol
Avatar of Justice
03-09-2009, 05:08 PM
I saw Watchmen and don't intend to ever watch it again. There just doesn't seem to be any point when it follows the graphic novel as closely as it did, unless you like less detail. I wish they'd made it its own thing rather than just providing an inferior version of the graphic novel. I think the only thing I really liked about this movie that wasn't already in the graphic novel was the opening montage.
Bleck
03-09-2009, 05:09 PM
i missed that rorschach is in all the scenes. i'll have to go back and look again.
spoilers: the red haired guy with the sign
prophetik
03-09-2009, 05:22 PM
i knew THAT, i read the book. i just didn't realize he was in EVERY scene, just most of them.
DJMetal
03-09-2009, 05:27 PM
I saw Watchmen and don't intend to ever watch it again. There just doesn't seem to be any point when it follows the graphic novel as closely as it did, unless you like less detail. I wish they'd made it its own thing rather than just providing an inferior version of the graphic novel. I think the only thing I really liked about this movie that wasn't already in the graphic novel was the opening montage.
You are totally not alone. I feel the exact same way. Incidentally, in last week's "Newsweek" there was an article that shared the same sentiment. I mean, it wasn't a bad movie if you ask me, but standing next to the source material it just doesn't compare. Although I must admit, I LOVED the guys who played Rorschach and Nite Owl II.
Bleck
03-09-2009, 05:27 PM
okay in that case I don't think he means literally in every scene
Weirdboyscott
03-09-2009, 05:46 PM
Although I must admit, I LOVED the guys who played Rorschach and Nite Owl II.
If you liked Patrick Wilson and Jackie Earle Haley, you should see Little Children, they were both in that one together.
But anyway... some people have said they were upset about how they changed how Rorschach killed the child abductor. I remember most of that scene from the comics... except how he killed the guy, so how did it do it again?
But anyway... some people have said they were upset about how they changed how Rorschach killed the child abductor. I remember most of that scene from the comics... except how he killed the guy, so how did it do it again?[/color]
handcuffed him to a pipe and firebombed the place- I think he gave him a hacksaw too so he could potentially saw off his arm to escape.
BlackPanther
03-09-2009, 06:18 PM
Kinda confusing at first when I watched it but I understood it fully at the end. This was a movie I could actually watch again and since i enjoyed it that much I should probably try lookin for the comic for this. My favorite part was probably the prison scene when Rorschach threw the hot grease on that guy with the cops detaining him, "I'm not locked in here with you...you're locked in here with me!"
Wintermute
03-09-2009, 07:25 PM
Saw it, enjoyed it immensely. The changes from the book were alright in my book, will make the story easier to digest. Rorschach was SPOT ON, best casting in the film right there. Looking forward to the director's cut that will include much deleted scenes.
:D
prophetik
03-09-2009, 07:37 PM
okay in that case I don't think he means literally in every scene
oh, ok. that helps a bit.
Native Jovian
03-09-2009, 07:57 PM
handcuffed him to a pipe and firebombed the place- I think he gave him a hacksaw too so he could potentially saw off his arm to escape.
No, that was Mad Max. Not Road Warrior or Beyond Thunderdome, but the first one (the one that no one ever watches).
Master_Yoshi
03-09-2009, 08:02 PM
No, that was Mad Max. Not Road Warrior or Beyond Thunderdome, but the first one (the one that no one ever watches).
Actually it was Both. Unless there was sarcasm in there.
JH Sounds
03-09-2009, 08:15 PM
The changes from the book were alright in my book
I think part of my brain just exploded.
Wintermute
03-09-2009, 09:42 PM
Ha! Didn't realize I worded it like that. ;)
dPaladin
03-09-2009, 09:58 PM
No, that was Mad Max. Not Road Warrior or Beyond Thunderdome, but the first one (the one that no one ever watches).
It was also in Dog Bites Off Leg To Escape From Trap.
Linkjing Donuts
03-10-2009, 04:00 AM
It was also in Dog Bites Off Leg To Escape From Trap.
and Saw. This is probably the reason Zack/the writer decided to change it up
Weirdboyscott
03-10-2009, 04:08 AM
Rorschach and Wolvereine spoof those Mac ads with, "I'm a Marvel, and I'm a DC." Very well done and pretty entertaining to anybody who even thinks they might be a comic book/comic book movie fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3VSw1XBOo
My review of the film:
http://www.examiner.com/x-5140-Portland-Indie-Film-Examiner~y2009m3d9-Watchmen-Should-we-be-careful-what-we-wish-for
The Derrit
03-11-2009, 02:08 AM
all my friends were like "it was too preachy and super lame and stuff."
i loved it. there's so many commentaries up for discussion its mindblowing.but no one to discuss it with on my block.
Sindra
03-11-2009, 02:52 AM
Rorschach and Wolvereine spoof those Mac ads with, "I'm a Marvel, and I'm a DC." Very well done and pretty entertaining to anybody who even thinks they might be a comic book/comic book movie fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n3VSw1XBOo
That was stellar.
"With apologies to Alan Moore."
Flash Strife
03-11-2009, 03:11 AM
Is this Watchmen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&NR=1
Sam Ascher-Weiss
03-11-2009, 03:30 AM
Is this Watchmen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&NR=1
That was genius... I wish they could have toned toned town the parody feel of the themesong and let the visuals speak for themselves. Making it fully believable as a saturday morning cartoon would have been even funnier IMO. Regardless it's damn brilliant.
dPaladin
03-11-2009, 04:06 AM
Yeah the cartoon parody amazed me.
I'm nutty!
LuketheXjesse
03-11-2009, 04:24 AM
Making it fully believable as a saturday morning cartoon would have been even funnier IMO.
You know already it's just a flash, but if you showed it to a person who didn't know what flash was, I'd say it would be pretty convincing.
DarkeSword
03-11-2009, 01:09 PM
After Watchmen, What's Next? (http://www.dccomics.com/sites/watchmen/?action=after_watchmen)
JH Sounds
03-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Forget after; what about a prequel?
SpanishFly
03-11-2009, 04:36 PM
I've heard some pretty good things about the movie. I haven't seen it yet, and am looking forward to seeing Wolverine Origins more to be honest. However, everything I've heard about it and like the sort of "social tones" it uses (my friend's words, not mine) makes it sound like it would be worth the watch.
dPaladin
03-11-2009, 04:36 PM
Forget after; what about a prequel?
They still have to make it after they make Watchmen.
Because they've already made Watchmen.
JH Sounds
03-11-2009, 04:47 PM
They still have to make it after they make Watchmen.
Because they've already made Watchmen.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5500/delorean.jpg
DarkeSword
03-11-2009, 07:28 PM
You missed the point of my post. I'm trying to show you guys that if Watchmen has got you interested in comics, that's a good guide to what to read next.
LuketheXjesse
03-11-2009, 07:39 PM
I'm definetley interested in The Killing Joke
EDIT: and The League of Extraordinary Gentleman while I'm at it
Maco70
03-11-2009, 07:45 PM
I'm definetley interested in The Killing Joke
It's fantastic.
AmazinJason
03-11-2009, 08:40 PM
I just saw Watchmen last night and I must say, for someone who has never seen a lick of the comic, it was fucking fantastic!
Aside from the beginning being a little drawn out, and some of the actions scenes being ever so slightly corny, I was deeply impressed with this movie.
I don't wish to add myself among the inevitable mountains of fanboys that Rorschach will no doubt accumulate, but goddamn he is freakin awesome!
The Author
03-11-2009, 09:52 PM
I surprised myself, after watching the movie, practising using a Rorschach voice.
It's fucking hard.
Also, I did like the little change they made at the end, made a world of a difference for the Nite-Owl Rorschach relationship.
Weirdboyscott
03-12-2009, 01:03 AM
I don't wish to add myself among the inevitable mountains of fanboys that Rorschach will no doubt accumulate, but goddamn he is freakin awesome!
Hurm, you say that like being a fan of Rorschach is a bad thing.
Rorschach Is all that is man. What a Badass he is.
AmazinJason
03-12-2009, 05:29 PM
Hurm, you say that like being a fan of Rorschach is a bad thing.
Not necessarily, he just seems like the type of character that you like at first, but end up hating because he is all the rage on the internet, work, and school. Although I suppose a true fan would appreciate the character no matter what other people think.
You know what I mean though, it happened with Napoleon Dynamite, as well as the song BYOB from Soad >.<
Love the song, but when it came out, it aired on the radio every 16 minutes.
Not necessarily, he just seems like the type of character that you like at first, but end up hating because he is all the rage on the internet, work, and school. Although I suppose a true fan would appreciate the character no matter what other people think.
You know what I mean though, it happened with Napoleon Dynamite, as well as the song BYOB from Soad >.<
Love the song, but when it came out, it aired on the radio every 16 minutes.
That might be true. But he was written so well. I liked the fact, he took shit from noone. People that tryed to mess with him. get the shit end of the deal. You know his line:
I thought this to be a key line, and a reason I like his character.
[Spoiler]Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.[Spoiler]
Is this Watchmen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w&NR=1
8-O
I just discovered this, and
I
can't
stop
watching
:lmassoff:
Wacky
03-15-2009, 11:32 AM
The scene which really affected me the most?
The one from the vignettes at the beginning, which was what you'd think was a perfect example of progress and simple cuteness on VJ Day...
And then a few seconds later reminding us that it's still the 1940s.
The other favourite is "All along the Watchtower" at the appropriate place.
I do, however, dislike that Ozy gets turned into a complete dick. I personally think that Rorschach was completely right (There's a rather large moral chasm between letting a person die because of someone else and killing "innocent" people in order to preserve life somewhere else.) BUT Adrian has a good point. If he didn't do what he did, there'd be billions of dead people, not millions. In the comic, he actually genuinely hates having to kill each time he does it, but in the movie he might as well be a Bond Villain.
Also, get over the wang. I see it every day when I shower, and girls see it fairly often too. It's nothing to be ashamed about. It's precisely the exact point that shows Doc Manhattan is beyond human and truly Nietzschean- he doesn't even recognize that clothing matters to humans, something which just about every culture accepts.
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