OCR TF2: New Server forthcoming - new server IPs and other stuff [Archive] - Page 19

Powerlord

07-16-2009, 02:06 AM

That's the idea, really. Given the choice between playing with people I know and playing a full game, I'll take the former every time.

Personally, I prefer full games, or at least nearly full. If it drops below 12 people, chances are I'll drop out too (or just not join to begin with).

Certain people with bandwidth issues excluded, if someone can't be bothered to download the map (incidentally, even letting them do so is a courtesy)

I mirror the maps from my website (tf2.vgmusic.com) as a courtesy to make it a faster download than it would be from the server, as the server limits its transmissions to players to its maxrate settings.

, then they aren't here for the community; they just want to play the game. There are plenty of other servers out there who can fill that need. I'm aware it'll hurt overall turnout; I just disagree with the idea that that's bad.

We run a public server. Our current host cuts the price in half if you run a private server (with a password 24/7). We don't because we don't have enough regulars to have a proper game except at peak times.

In other news, there's a prefab map (http://www.fpsbanana.com/prefabs/3527) for making a tug-of-war cart map like pl_waste.

Also, as I tried to point out to someone before, the version of pl_waste (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/78364) we run is marked as final, not beta. Incidentally, the author apparently never heard of bspzip (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Using_Bspzip_to_Embed_Custom_Content) or pakrat (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Pakrat) to add the custom intro video to the bsp file itself. As a general rule, custom maps should have any required custom content in the .bsp file, as that's all a server is going to transmit.

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 03:12 AM

What is a "proper game"? 12 on 12?

Again, I would disagree with that. It's how Valve designed the game, but their intentions only go as far as you let them.

Diff'rent strokes, etc etc. Hopefully some news on that colo'ing project comes through soon; a second server would alleviate the problem entirely.

Bleck

07-16-2009, 03:23 AM

What is a "proper game"? 12 on 12?

Again, I would disagree with that.

just because you enjoy playing 3 vs 3 sandvich only 2fort matches doesn't meant that it's the proper way to play the game

I could say that I enjoy seeing how many times I can roll around hyrule field in a certain amount of time but uh that doesn't mean that's the way it's supposed to be played

basically what you like doing ≠ the point of the game

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 03:34 AM

I'm sorry, I thought the point of the game was to HAVE FUN.

If people aren't having fun with whatever that is at the moment, they can rtv or leave. It's not like there's a server shortage.

You know, I've been here a lot longer than my join date. Once upon a time, you were my god.

I look back on that version of me, and I just feel sorry for him.

Sensai

07-16-2009, 06:24 AM

Sooooooooo....what became of all those talks about inter-OCR scrimming? 'Cause I may have made a team. By accident.

Or maybe not, depending on if we're doing anything of the sort.

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 06:27 AM

Sooooooooo....what became of all those talks about inter-OCR scrimming? 'Cause I may have made a team. By accident.

Or maybe not, depending on if we're doing anything of the sort.

We're still in a holding pattern, I guess. Rambo was the de facto leader of the idea, but he's off causing shenanigans with Bonzai.

I got an offer to scrim as well, so I guess.. You know, what the hell.

First five people to message me on Steam are in.

Sensai

07-16-2009, 06:44 AM

Well, me and Joseki are in. We need two teams of six...so...there you are.

[Edit:]

I'm assuming we're doing the standard 6v6, 2 of each class max, 1 demo, 1 medic type thing, yes?

Bleck

07-16-2009, 06:55 AM

If people aren't having fun with whatever that is at the moment, they can rtv

I was votebanned for this :<

You know, I've been here a lot longer than my join date. Once upon a time, you were my god.

haha what

also I will still do scrimming

Hemophiliac

07-16-2009, 08:16 AM

i personally am in huge favor of having captains and picking teams...i am still in for scrimming.

Secret Agent Man

07-16-2009, 10:49 AM

I don't have a lot of time to play to begin with. If I have to spend time downloading maps, sitting through arena, and going through the motions in a 6v6 match (TF2 is meant to be played with more people in that than most circumstances), then I jump ship and head to another server. Sure, melee only with steam community friends is fun every now and then, but I'd rather just play a regular game most of the time.

Also, custom maps tend to suck a lot of the time. Not all, but most, especially those that feature a gimmick that gets old after about three minutes.

EdgeCrusher

07-16-2009, 01:21 PM

Not all, but most, especially those that feature a gimmick that gets old after about three minutes.

You mean like pipeline? Oh ho ho ho.

TehDonut

07-16-2009, 04:06 PM

I wanna scrim, if you guys don't have full teams yet. =D

Sensai

07-16-2009, 04:15 PM

So, here's a list of people who have made their desire to scrim known to me outside of posting on the forums:

Joseki
meatball
garian

When you add people on the forums, you got me, Clefairy, and Donut. That's six right there....

...now we just need 6 more people, haha.

[Edit:]

Bonzai and Rambo would still be up for it, I'm assuming. If Action Hawk ever got online, he'd undoubtedly be up for it. Just sayin'.

[Edit 2:]

Forgot to ask: do we have a server for this?

Garian

07-16-2009, 04:45 PM

don't forget bleck and hemophiliac, so 4 more needed :)

Prophet Orwell

07-16-2009, 05:04 PM

If you're desperate and I'm not too terribad for y'all I'd get in on it

FireSlash

07-16-2009, 05:26 PM

ES's server is pretty fail. The ship combat feels pretty broken too, and the general combat is terrible.

However, it's come to my attention that Tribes 2 is now free, which excelled in all of these. You can download it from http://tribesnext.com/

For those not familiar with the game, here's a quick youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3Ftt07mDQ

The game features various vehicles, team play, various game modes, and large player counts. I think it could be fun for a night or two :<

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 06:14 PM

Fair points on the customs topic. I'll bear them in mind when making future suggestions.
--

There's been a bit of confusion, sorry about that. :tomatoface: I'd received an invitation to scrim from Loghead, you'd be playing under the lions banner in that case. To avoid confusion, hit me up on steam if you're interested in that. As for the OCR scrim, I'll run back over the thread in a minute and contact everyone who said they were interested. We'll see where the roster's at and take it from there.

EDIT: Current roster.

Abyss
Joseki
meatball
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Hemophiliac
Prophet Orwell
Donut

The bench:
Black Waltz (unavailable)
S.A.M. (time constraints)
Bardic (time constraints)
Rambo (unavailable)
Bonzai (unavailable)
Vivi22(no word yet)

Three spots empty now. Black Waltz is back on 8/2, Rambonzambozai is AWOL, so unless we get a couple more folks jumping in there'll be a wait.

Abyss

07-16-2009, 06:16 PM

I have the internet again, woo! I'm still up for a scrim.

Sensai

07-16-2009, 06:36 PM

@ Clefairy: Oh about Loghead. It seems like we have enough people to play an inter-OCR scrim, though.

Joseki, meatball, garian, Abyss, Prophet Orwell, bleck. That's six. Clefairy, Donut, me. That's 9 people who definitely wanna do scrim-style matches, not including people who would definitely be up for it (like Hawk and Rambonzai).

[Edit:]

Sporknight and Yahoo are in. That's 11. One more and we can do this.

[Edit 2:]

Just noticed Clefairy made a roster; he's much more organized. Ele said she'd be interested if we were doing Highlander, but I don't think we'll get enough people for that.

Sporknight

07-16-2009, 06:58 PM

An inter-OCR scrim sounds like fun, if you ask me. I'll join in on that, at least.

D-Lux

07-16-2009, 07:42 PM

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 08:56 PM

Current roster redux:

Sensai
Abyss
Joseki
meatball
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Hemophiliac
Prophet Orwell
Donut
Sporknight
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo

The bench:
Black Waltz (unavailable)
S.A.M. (time constraints)
Bardic (time constraints)
Rambo (unavailable)
Bonzai (unavailable)
Vivi22(no word yet)

Now, let's talk scheduling. When is everyone available? List times in EST, please.

Sensai

07-16-2009, 09:09 PM

Clefairy, you forgot me.

I'm offended.

Clefairy

07-16-2009, 09:19 PM

So I did. Ninja edit.

Prophet Orwell

07-16-2009, 09:23 PM

Now, let's talk scheduling. When is everyone available?

The only nights I'm not available are Monday-Wednesday.

Sunday I'm back from work at 5:30

Hemophiliac

07-16-2009, 09:29 PM

my schedule is pretty variable, so i'll letcha know what i can do based on what you guys decide.

duckyboycantfly

07-16-2009, 09:29 PM

I'm up for whatever, if that's coo.

Haven't been on in a while due to vacation, but yeah, should be back... tomorrow maybe.

Party tonight, since my buddy is leaving for Greece. Free bbq and beer > tf2

Kiyobi

07-16-2009, 10:35 PM

Uh, I'm possibly interested, if you guys don't mind a guy with a poor shot. <_<;

I'm a pretty decent dedicated medic, though.

As for times, I'm up anytime, pretty much.

Sporknight

07-16-2009, 11:41 PM

Weekend evenings I'm generally available.

BardicKnowledge

07-16-2009, 11:54 PM

I can make almost any evening work -- I'll be entirely free in a month, when summer weekends come to an end. Thursday evenings would work the best for me, but I'm good for anything.

Garian

07-17-2009, 12:58 AM

i work from midnight to 6:30 am central, i leave my house around 11:15 central because i walk to work. i generally prefer to turn off video games around 10:45, JUST FYI.

Bleck

07-17-2009, 01:39 AM

whenever wherever (we were meant to be together)

D-Lux

07-17-2009, 01:47 AM

whenever wherever (we were meant to be together)

Hips don't lie.

Available at night. After dinner until after dawn!

TehDonut

07-17-2009, 02:05 AM

I'm available most of the time, except maybe on the weekends.

Powerlord

07-17-2009, 02:36 AM

garbage_day was typoed on the map cycle. Fixed now, should pop up right after dustbowl.

Sensai

07-17-2009, 05:04 AM

!! has voiced desire to play, as has Lumpy.

Anytime at all is good for myself.

Hemophiliac

07-17-2009, 05:15 AM

so i just grabbed my work schedule for this next week...

I should be good most nights as 4 of my 5 shifts are until 5pm PST.

Sunday and Monday are my days off this week.

Secret Agent Man

07-17-2009, 11:29 AM

I'm available just about every night (i.e. past 7PM EST) and any time on weekends. Just schedule it ahead of time so I know to not schedule other funtimes with friends.

Vivi22

07-17-2009, 11:43 AM

Current roster redux:

Vivi22(no word yet)

Now, let's talk scheduling. When is everyone available? List times in EST, please.

I'm going to be leaving on Sunday for a course, so I'll be unavailable for scrims until the 10th of August or so. After that I'll be back home and good for a game most nights (after about 5pm EST) and at just about any time on weekends unless I have prior plans.

Clefairy

07-17-2009, 12:43 PM

Thread used roster explosion! It's super effective!

Sensai(anytime)
Abyss
Joseki(after 10:30 Mon-Fri, anytime Sat-Sun)
meatball
garian((till 11:45EST)
Clefairy(anytime)
Bleck(anytime)
Hemophiliac(variable)
Prophet Orwell(Thu-Sun nights)
Donut(Mon-Thu)
Sporknight(Fri-Sun nights)
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo(ALL NIGHT LONG)
S.A.M.(after 7EST Mon-Fri, anytime Sat-Sun)
Bardic(nights, Thu pref)
!!
EdgeCrusher(after 7EST Mon-Fri, anytime Sat-Sun)
Lumpy(anytime)
Kiyobi(anytime)
duckyboy(anytime I think?)

The bench:
Black Waltz (unavailable)(8/2)
Rambo (unavailable)
Bonzai (unavailable)
Vivi22(unavailable)(8/10)(after 5EST Mon-Fri, anytime Sat-Sun)

17 people! Highlander might be feasible after all. Despite that, for simplicity's sake I'd like to open with a standard 6v6. As a general rule I'll try to schedule two weeks ahead of time, but with this being the premiere we'll shoot for one.

Based on current data, my dates are the 23rd and 26th, both at 9EST. People who are unavailable for one get priority for the other. Post if neither of these fit for you and I'll see what I can work up. Also if the non-posting people can be contacted regarding availability, that'd be great. I'll catch who I can, but any help you can offer is more than welcome.

EDIT: Also also, congratulations to Sensai and crew! [FTF] (ask them what it means; they'll be glad to tell you!) accrued a ton of converts last night, more than I've ever seen in one sitting.

BardicKnowledge

07-17-2009, 01:25 PM

I have a meeting at 7:30 EST, but may be back on the 23rd to play by 9.
If there isn't a slot left, I'll spectate and love it. :p

DEFINITELY free on the 26th.

EdgeCrusher

07-17-2009, 01:51 PM

I'd be open for any weeknight after 7 pm est, or just about any time on the weekend.

Secret Agent Man

07-17-2009, 05:56 PM

I am free both on the 23rd and the 26th at those times.

Sensai

07-17-2009, 07:01 PM

I am free on both the 23rd and the 26th at that time.

[...] !!: i should be good for both
[...] !!: the only thing is on the 26th id probably be on laaaate

(So, !! is for sure on the 23rd, 26th is possible)

[FTF] Hoseke: (I'm good) pretty much every night after 11 est. I work until 10:30 on weeknights :/
[FTF] Hoseke: weekends I'm usually free

(So, Joseki's good on the 26th definitely, maybe the 23rd)

Also, Elesarana or however it's spelled expressed interest in doing scrims if they were Highlander style. I may have already mentioned that.

And what can I say? A lot of people really hate the FAN. :-D

superjoe30

07-17-2009, 07:27 PM

I'm quitting d00des. Going to make something with my life.

D-Lux

07-17-2009, 08:10 PM

I'm questionable for both dates actually. I'm going to the beach that weekend and might not be back in time on the 26th, and the 23rd is also up in the air. WAY TO PICK BAD DATES.

Kiyobi

07-17-2009, 08:29 PM

Also, Elesarana or however it's spelled expressed interest in doing scrims if they were Highlander style. I may have already mentioned that.

And what can I say? A lot of people really hate the FAN. :-D

I love the FaN! =D
And what's Highlander? Did I ask this before? I can't remember.

Hemophiliac

07-17-2009, 08:34 PM

Thread used roster explosion! It's super effective!

Hemophiliac(after 8EST Tue-Sat)

Based on current data, my dates are the 23rd and 26th, both at 9EST. People who are unavailable for one get priority for the other.

You misunderstood what i had posted. It's not Tuesday through Saturday, i always forget my schedule starts on fridays. The stuff i gave you before was from Friday the 17th through Thursday the 23rd. So i don't know how the 26th works for me. Yeah my schedule changes weekly, sorry about that.

However, the 23rd sounds good.

EdgeCrusher

07-17-2009, 10:25 PM

I love the FaN! =D
And what's Highlander? Did I ask this before? I can't remember.

Highlander is 12vs12, only one class per team per player. So youd have one soldier, one demoman, etc. Pretty much a class restriction of one.

Hemophiliac

07-17-2009, 10:26 PM

Highlander is 9vs9, only one class per team per player. So youd have one soldier, one demoman, etc. Pretty much a class restriction of one.

Fixed tenchar.

EdgeCrusher

07-17-2009, 10:42 PM

Shit, I don't know where my mind was at on that one. Oh, trying to get Aion to run :(

Clefairy

07-17-2009, 10:47 PM

I'm quitting d00des. Going to make something with my life.

We'll miss you, superjoe. Your playstyle had a tendancy to grate on my nerves(seriously. building a sentry in a game under 6 people is a dick move), but you were a decent guy, and a part of the community. Still I can't fault you for wanting something more out of life.
--

Onto divisions!
Thursday
Hemophiliac
!!

Saturday
Joseki
Bardic
Sporknight

Either
Sensai
Abyss
meatball
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Prophet Orwell
Donut
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo
S.A.M.
Lumpy
Kiyobi
EdgeCrusher
duckyboy

If you simply have a preference for one or the other, that's fine too. Any open slots will be first come, first serve. I haven't decided if I want to play yet, we'll see how it goes.

The format is 6v6, two class limit except medic and demoman, which are one each. This means you'll see a lot of that 2-soldier, 2-scout, etc. setup, but once one side gains the advantage that changes. Comp teams will often switch out scouts for heavy/engineer when holding last point, for example. Or let the other side get comfortable, then oops! backstab on your medic.

Hemophiliac

07-17-2009, 10:51 PM

guys, the ff4 project listening party is saturday night too! did we not know about that?

Clefairy

07-17-2009, 11:04 PM

guys, the ff4 project listening party is saturday night too! did we not know about that?

Since I can't find a decent clip of it, just imagine Homer Simpson saying 'd'oh....' in a disappointed voice.

Well, moving it up or down a day might work. Does it affect anyone if we were to move Saturday to Sunday or Friday?

Hemophiliac

07-17-2009, 11:09 PM

oh wait i'm an idiot you meant NEXT saturday the 25th right? not tomorrow the 18th. cuz tomorrow the 18th is the listening party.

Clefairy

07-17-2009, 11:12 PM

oh wait i'm an idiot you meant NEXT saturday the 25th right? not tomorrow the 18th. cuz tomorrow the 18th is the listening party.

Way to get me all up in a panic, man. :lol:

Woo, crisis averted.

Abyss

07-18-2009, 06:25 AM

I think that I'd be fine for the 26th. Most likely not the 23rd, unless it was rather late for me (11 PM central might work...)

Secret Agent Man

07-18-2009, 07:33 PM

Since you offer the choice, I would like to take the Thursday slot.

CapitanAwesome

07-18-2009, 07:52 PM

Well, if you folks'll have me, I'm available for any Saturday slot, and Sunday before around 8 PM EST, due to a DnD campaign taking place.

Sporknight

07-18-2009, 10:01 PM

So it turns out that I've had plans crop up for both Thursday and Saturday next week. I'll also be starting show come this Wednesday, and I have no clue what the rehearsal schedule will look like. I'll post once I have a better idea, but I really can't commit to much of anything at this point, heh. I'll be sure to let you guys know, though.

Abyss

07-19-2009, 02:02 AM

Ahahaha I just had the best reflect kill ever. I had just lit a scout on fire and right clicked to airblast him into a wall so I could pull out my axtinguisher and kill him... but a sniper right above us had released an arrow right as I did that, so I reflected the arrow into the scout and killed him that way :D

Powerlord

07-19-2009, 04:03 AM

*sigh* Must we have cp_follower in the map cycle? I can't even begin to express how much I hate that map.

Abyss

07-19-2009, 04:23 AM

I agree that we should get rid of cp_follower, and replace it with cp_cyberpunk.

Clefairy

07-19-2009, 04:38 AM

*sigh* Must we have cp_follower in the map cycle? I can't even begin to express how much I hate that map.

You're the admin. How about we swap it for.... Hoodoo? 5CP gets old really fast in my opinion, with Well and Granary we've got more than enough of it.
--

Updated!
Thursday
Hemophiliac
!!
S.A.M.

SUNDAY(I can't count, apparently)
Joseki
Bardic
Abyss
CapitanAwesome

Either
Sensai
Abyss
meatball
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Prophet Orwell
Donut
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo
S.A.M.
Lumpy
Kiyobi
EdgeCrusher
duckyboy

Apologies for my failure to perform adequate basic addition. If Sunday doesn't work for people, we'll move it to Saturday after all.
EDIT:
I agree that we should get rid of cp_follower, and replace it with cp_cyberpunk.
My eyes are bleeding already D:

Powerlord

07-19-2009, 04:39 AM

You're the admin. How about we swap it for.... Hoodoo? 5CP gets old really fast in my opinion, with Well and Granary we've got more than enough of it.

People tend to get ticked off if I unilaterally change things.

Abyss

07-19-2009, 04:41 AM

I appreciate the democratic cadence you are showing Powerlord, but I'd still like to play Follower... how about you move where it is in the rotation to when you typically are not playing?

Powerlord

07-19-2009, 04:51 AM

how about you move where it is in the rotation to when you typically are not playing?

So, in other words, I should somehow create a mapcycle that is exactly 24 hours long?

Oh, right, you were being sarcastic...

Clefairy

07-19-2009, 04:54 AM

People tend to get ticked off if I unilaterally change things.

ENTIRE TEAM (who get ticked off) IS BABIES.

Kiyobi

07-19-2009, 06:38 AM

So, are we both playing only one day each, or what?

shpladoink

07-19-2009, 07:41 AM

1fort is in beta now to whom it may concern

Clefairy

07-19-2009, 09:52 AM

1fort is in beta now to whom it may concern

I enjoyed that post you made on the Steam forums.
Downloading now.
--

Kiyobi, it depends. We'd need 24 people to do two entirely seperate scrims, so there will be overlap. That said, I will give people who didn't play Thursday priority on Sunday.
--

I really don't see what the big deal is about Follower. It's been on the server a long time, and anybody who's a regular has played it. Especially now. If they'd like to play it again, it's in the nominate menu, same as ever.

Personally I'd like to see 5CP maps cut out of rotation, with the possible exception of Granary. The gameplay is really stale; there's an initial back-and-forth for midfield, then a slow, inexorable march into enemy territory. The losing team digs in their heels, and when the sentries go down it's over. If the sentries don't go down, we deathmatch in spurts for fifteen minutes, go to sudden death, then do all of it again. Sound familiar?

Sure, turnarounds happen, but TF2 is designed as such that the winning team tends to keep on winning. When the teams are stacked, which happens fairly often, this gets taken to extremes. Purely illustrative example: the wee hours of the morning yesterday, Lumpy and me against Vahn and... I forget who, on Granary. We got our asses kicked probably 20 times in 25 minutes.

EdgeCrusher

07-19-2009, 04:38 PM

I finally played garbage day for the first time. I must say, I really like it. Not a map I could play a lot of though, but its a great KOTH set up like the KOTH mod for Quake 2.

Prophet Orwell

07-19-2009, 07:22 PM

Thought I'd share this with y'all

HEAVY IS JETPACK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqDo0Y0GYJI&feature=related

and

HEAVY IS COW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3UU9_Xq1M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd3UU9_Xq1M&feature=related)

Sensai

07-19-2009, 09:09 PM

That Jetpack clip made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks for sharing it.

Also, Clefairy, I'm interested in how teams are being decided and what map we're playing, etc etc.

EdgeCrusher

07-19-2009, 10:36 PM

The bloopers made the Heavy Is Jetpack.

Clefairy

07-19-2009, 10:38 PM

I had assumed it would be FTF against all comers, but with the way you've splintered recently that's probably not possible.

Regarding maps, it'll probably depend on who has to leave earliest, but 3 seems like a nice round number to me. We'll start with 5CP, either Granary, Fastlane or Freight. Gravel Pit will follow that, and if time allows we'll finish off with Turbine.

Sensai

07-19-2009, 11:41 PM

I think that if all of FTF could play, we'd have...Lumpy, Joseki, me, Bleck, D-Lux. So, that's 5 total. As you say, not quite enough.

Also, I just found this for anyone who's interested: it is a good deal of TF2 icons blown up and fixed to be backgrounds for your desktop. Very sleek looking, minimalist wallpapers.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=920892

[Edit:]

And meatball. So I suppose if we all could make it on one day we could do the FTF vs thing, but I don't think we'll all be able to make it.

Fields of blue

07-21-2009, 02:32 AM

Hey guys! First of all I'd like to say that I love your TF2 server. The regular players are always entertaining and fun to play with and so far I haven't had any real bad experiences there with other players. In fact, I play fairly regularly with the OCR members such as Bahamut, Chadly, Hish, Rambo, Scytheful and others.

I was just playing as usual the other day when I noticed the time and logged of for the night. I came back today, 7/20/09, and found that my steam ID has apparently been banned from the server. Naturally I've been sitting around scratching my head trying to imagine why; as far as I know I've never stepped on any toes or started any conflicts with other players so I'm pretty well in the dark as to why.

So if there is some legitimate reason I was kicked I would very much appreciate knowing what that reason is and if this is some sort of mix up I would greatly appreciate allowance back in. Either way, I hope to see some of you guys around again soon.

prophetik

07-21-2009, 04:30 AM

pm bahamut, he's the main man for the tf2 server.

Kiyobi

07-21-2009, 04:43 AM

Holy crap, this Thursday? I won't be able to make it on Thursday, I'll be out of town.
And scribble a "maybe" for Sunday. My poor lappy hasn't been handling TF2 very well for the past week, to the point of unplayability. I dunno how else to lighten the load on my poor graphics card, everything's on the lowest setting and I'm still dropping to 5-10 frames.

Hemophiliac

07-21-2009, 04:58 AM

so yeah, question:

how are teams going to be determined?

Sensai

07-21-2009, 05:05 AM

So, I went AFK for a long time earlier today and came home to discover a nice little surprise waiting for me via Steam chat.

Also, Joseki will be able to play Thursday, so the whole FTF vs thing might kinda work out, as we apparently picked up another person.
[FTF] Hoseke: Hey I think I'm gonna make it on thursday. I just found out I don't have to work.
[FTF] Hoseke: Gaar at least set your status to away if you're AFK....
[FTF] Hoseke: Now I feel like a tool
[FTF] Hoseke: OVER THE INTERNET!
[FTF] Hoseke: I mean, it's not like anyone cares...
[FTF] Hoseke: About this or about me...
[FTF] Hoseke: /wrists
[FTF] Hoseke: So yeah. I guess I'll just talk to myself until you get back.
[FTF] Hoseke: So, Chris, how was your day?
[FTF] Hoseke: Oh, it was great, Chris! Except for the fact that I think I might be a supervillian.
[FTF] Hoseke: O RLY? Why do you think so?
[FTF] Hoseke: Well, I saw some guy being an asshole to some old lady, and my first instinct was to strap him to a table and fire lazers at his crotch.
[FTF] Hoseke: Oh really? What did you wind up doing?
[FTF] Hoseke: Well, I settled for shoving a small bomb into his mouth and taping his gob shut.
[FTF] Hoseke: Wow! That sounds like it was unpleasant!
[FTF] Hoseke: Oh my, yes. The tape got stuck to my arm while I was sticking it to him and it pulled a lot of the hair out. I think I'm going to be okay, though.
[FTF] Hoseke: So what happened to that guy?
[FTF] Hoseke: Well, after a while I got bored, as I'm prone to do, so I pushed the detonator. I ruined a perfectly good lab coat / goggles combo. Gut stains are really hard to wash out, you know.
[FTF] Hoseke: I know what you mean. I recently had to trash my favorite lab coat and pair of goggles for that same reason.
[FTF] Hoseke: So, anyway, later on that day I had an extremely strong urge to hijack a nuke and hold the world ransom.
[FTF] Hoseke: For one million dollars?
[FTF] Hoseke: How did you guess?! It's like you're in my head! Anyway, shortly after I discovered it was just gas.
[FTF] Hoseke: Oh wow! That must have been one hell of a gas attack! Did you take Gas-X?
[FTF] Hoseke: Nah. I just let it ride. We supervillians need pain in our lives so we have an excuse to blow shit up.
[FTF] Hoseke: So what happened next?
[FTF] Hoseke: I'll get to it! God damn, you talk a lot. Anyways, when I got to work, my manager was being a dickbag to me so I stabbed him in the face with a salad fork.
[FTF] Hoseke: Jeebus! Did he bleed a lot?
[FTF] Hoseke: Not really. All he did was roll around on the floor and conjecture that my mother was a prostitute, using a flurry of artful and vulgar phrases.
[FTF] Hoseke: Did you get fired?
[FTF] Hoseke: No. He tried to fire me, but I finished him off with the soup ladel before he could.
[FTF] Hoseke: So what happened next?
[FTF] Hoseke: Well, after stuffing his corpse underneath the refrigerator, I worked the rest of my shift killing only the bare minimum. Uh, two teenagers were being a bit too loud, so I headbutted them both and tossed them out the window.
[FTF] Hoseke: You're crazy!
[FTF] Hoseke: I get that a lot. So, anyway, after my shift ended I came home and now I'm talking to myself OVAR TEH INTERWEBZ!
[FTF] Hoseke: Chris, I think you might be what is commonly referred to as a lunatic.
[FTF] Hoseke: I think you might be right about that. I do like the moon.
[FTF] Hoseke: No, Chris. A lunatic, not lunartic. God, you're dumb.
[FTF] Hoseke: Your mom!
[FTF] Hoseke: She's your mom too, idiot!
[FTF] Hoseke: Why you! COME HERE!
[FTF] Hoseke: OW! OW! NO BITING GOD DAMMIT
[FTF] Hoseke: NO NOT THE EARS! AGH!
[FTF] Hoseke: AAAAAAGGGH! MY EYE! YOU BIT MY EYE!
[FTF] Hoseke: YEAH WELL YOU PULLED OFF MY EAR! SERVES YOU RIGHT!
[FTF] Hoseke: No! NO! DON'T TICKLE! DON'T TICKLE! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
[FTF] Hoseke: TAKE THAT! COOTCHI COO!
[FTF] Hoseke: GAAAAH!!! I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL KILL YOU!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
[FTF] Hoseke used tickle! It's super effective!
[FTF] Hoseke fainted!
[FTF] Hoseke is out of usable personalities!
[FTF] Hoseke purpled out!
[FTF] Hoseke is now Offline.
[FTF] Hoseke is now Online.
[FTF]Sensai: Jesus Christ, you sent me a lot of messages.
[FTF] Hoseke: yup
[FTF] Hoseke: I was bored. And a little crazy.
[FTF]Sensai: Hold on, I'm reading.
[FTF] Hoseke: Enjoy.
[FTF]Sensai: What is this monologue from?
[FTF] Hoseke: I made it upLesson learned: Crit rockets from Joseki < crit tickles from Joseki.

TehDonut

07-21-2009, 05:07 AM

I want what he's smoking.

also, what is this FTF thing? I haven't been in the server for like a couple days so im out of the loop

Hemophiliac

07-21-2009, 05:09 AM

i'm not down for FTF versus. Count me out if that's what you guys plan on doing.

Bleck

07-21-2009, 05:52 AM

also, what is this FTF thing?

Fuck The Fan

Clefairy

07-21-2009, 09:57 AM

i'm not down for FTF versus. Count me out if that's what you guys plan on doing.

They're the same six guys. They haven't been practicing(that I'm aware of) any more than the rest of us.

Anyway. I only suggested that format because that's just what's done in scrims; 'ringers' from other teams/clans aren't generally effective. If people are really that opposed to it, I can draw lots or straws or whatever and assign the teams myself.
--

Sensai, that reminds me of someone I know. Many lols were had.
--

Thursday
Hemophiliac
!!
S.A.M.

Sunday
Bardic
Abyss
Kiyobi
CapitanAwesome

Either
Sensai
Abyss
meatball
Joseki
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Prophet Orwell
Donut
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo
Lumpy
EdgeCrusher
duckyboy

If anyone has hosting suggestions, now's the time to pipe up. I realize that's probably something I should have taken care of at the beginning, but real life has been coming down on me pretty hard while trying to put this together. My head has not been on quite straight, so to speak.

I have a few options in mind, and when I get back to my computer tomorrow I'll investigate them.
--
EDIT: From TF2Wiki:
Spies can destroy their own sappers with the console command "destroy 4" (0-3 correspond to engineer buildings). In most situations this is an undesirable and counterproductive tactic; but it can be useful for drawing an engineer away from his nest, particularly now that spies can take enemy teleporters. It can also be used to refill your cloak bar by picking up broken sapper parts.

This could take spy mind games to a whole new level.

WindStrike

07-21-2009, 12:04 PM

My brother told me something very surprising about Otakon...

There were a lot of spies. Everywhere. Including one with a Jesus mask. And there were other classes, though he never saw a demoman.

Spies destroying their own sappers... I suppose you could sap something for one second, destroy the sapper and confuse the crap outta the engineer. Huh... I'm just not sure what you could with that ability.

Bahamut

07-21-2009, 02:12 PM

Abyss

07-21-2009, 02:34 PM

If you only saw two or three spies, you must not have been spychecking properly. Trying walking through people more often.

My schedule changed (more like, I remembered that something was different), so Thursday is actually better for me now, although I think I would be able to make both days.

Kiyobi

07-21-2009, 11:46 PM

I didn't see that many spies at Otakon - did see like 2 or 3, including the Jesus mask one. Saw 2 or 3 red team medics, 1 blue team medic, a heavy, several engineers, several snipers, and a female scout.
Reminds me of this thing I saw at Anime Expo. (Oddly enough, there was a significant number of TF2 people over there...)

BLU Spy holding hands with a RED female Medic.

So... the RED Scout's mom is a Medic?

I also witnessed a Heavy get backstabbed, a Demoman get pissdrunk, and an Engineer dominating everyone with a level 1 sentry.

Libby

07-22-2009, 12:36 AM

Sensai i will pm you later, but i would also be interested in some scrims.

duckyboycantfly

07-22-2009, 01:11 AM

I'm good with whatever just let me know when and where and I'll be there probably.

Also the destory sap thing is really fucking awesome. Mind games man, mind game. This will be binded to a key very soon...

I mean, no engineers, I will not be griefing you.

:3

Jenga

07-22-2009, 03:01 AM

you say that like you're a good spy

Clefairy

07-22-2009, 04:13 AM

In the spirit of Heavy is Jetpack, I bring you: Heavy is Train. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SWN7hQyYzI)

duckyboycantfly

07-22-2009, 06:15 AM

you say that like you're a good spy
i would be "good" if i hacked like u

Lumpy

07-22-2009, 07:25 AM

What time is the 6v6 thing starting at on Thursday?

Clefairy

07-22-2009, 07:27 AM

What time is the 6v6 thing starting at on Thursday?

9 Eastern.

D-Lux

07-22-2009, 07:39 AM

In the spirit of Heavy is Jetpack, I bring you: Heavy is Train. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SWN7hQyYzI)

I Eat Your Razorback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORpSSbTmMuc) won the competition that was submitted to.

In other news, Thursday looks promising for me.

Clefairy

07-22-2009, 12:27 PM

I Eat Your Razorback (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORpSSbTmMuc) won the competition that was submitted to.

In other news, Thursday looks promising for me.

I didn't particularly care for that one, but to each his own.

Hope to see you then.
--
And now for something completely different. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqmM3_-qodU)

Abyss

07-22-2009, 08:32 PM

Ah, I won't be on that early on Thursday. Sorry.

Zephyr

07-22-2009, 10:13 PM

I'm back from Fiji, hopefully I can play a bit soon. Thanks for the patch Brushfire, it came while I was away.

Clefairy

07-23-2009, 04:28 AM

:/

My current hosts have bailed out, it seems. I found a server that would suit our purposes in the master list, but I haven't had any luck in getting a hold of the admin, and it feels like squatting to come in and just have the match there without warning.

I guess we'll see how it shakes down.
--

Clefairy's Suggested New Mapcycle 2.0! Now with 80% more consideration! (read: 50% less customs. I am nothing if not conciliatory. :P)

ctf_hallofdeath
pl_frontier
cp_gravelpit
arena_storm_b1c
cp_fastlane
plr_pipeline
cp_steel
ctf_turbine
pl_hoodoo
cp_granary
pl_waste
arena_well
cp_egypt

Bahamut

07-23-2009, 04:30 AM

That's quite a lot of custom maps heh.

Clefairy

07-23-2009, 05:15 AM

That's quite a lot of custom maps heh.

4 of 12. It was 7 of 13 the first time around, there was a big stink over it several pages back.

Also, welcome back, baha. :-P

EdgeCrusher

07-23-2009, 01:25 PM

I'd be all up for that, except hoodoo. I just don't care for it.

Sporknight

07-23-2009, 01:56 PM

I think I like the new rotation. Maybe a leetle bit more arena, but I know it's not the most popular game mode - I just like announcing, hehe. I am glad to see a reduction in 5cp maps, though, since those were getting pretty tiresome. The new customs (hallofdeath and Storm) look like fun, too - cant wait to try em out!

Powerlord

07-23-2009, 11:33 PM

Due to its repeated ability to empty the server, I've taken garbage_day back off the rotation.

Clefairy

07-24-2009, 12:37 AM

Due to its repeated ability to empty the server, I've taken garbage_day back off the rotation.

Alas, poor Garbage Day... I knew him well... *sob*

Incidentally, nice sig. :P
--

Thursday
Hemophiliac
!!
S.A.M.

Either
Sensai
Abyss
meatball
Joseki
garian
Clefairy
Bleck
Prophet Orwell
Donut
CaptainYahoooooooooooooooooo
Lumpy
EdgeCrusher
duckyboy

I have 9 slots to fill! Get 'em while they're hot!

Steam is preferable to here, because I'm not subscribed to the thread. Also, my pre-game ritual involves The Legendary Team on repeat. ;-)

EDIT:
Scrim is probably cancelled for tonight due to lack of interest. Not enough people showed up, and the server I'd chosen flooded with pubs once 5 or 6 of us got in. If Sunday expresses similar problems, there's a decent chance I'll let the idea die.

Suffice to say, if you want this to happen, make yourself available.

Hemophiliac

07-24-2009, 01:49 AM

nobody told me where we were meeting.

Sensai

07-24-2009, 02:06 AM

It's 9 PM, Eastern time. We had about 9 people show up, including at least one person interested in speccing.

...and then we had some pubbies show up. Which was fine, at first. But then it grew. So, it's hard to do without a server that can be passworded and such.

So, we were all bummed and then garian suggested (as he has apparently done before) that we should see about borrowing the ZUZ/lions server. Wish said he'd be cool with that, so we officially have a server to play on for Saturday.

9 PM, Eastern. Be online.

[Edit:]

SUNDAY, DAMMIT. :-(

Abyss

07-24-2009, 02:16 AM

...feces.

Well, my desktop computer, the only one I have capable of TF2, has something seriously wrong with it right now. It froze while playing TF2 yesterday, so I had to shut it down. When I tried to turn it back on... well, all of the fans come on. There's no video to the monitor, though, and no other sign of activity. I opened it up and checked all of the connections, they're all fine. It wasn't bumped or anything when it froze, and gave no prior signs of failing. Does anyone have an idea as to what might be wrong?

Poor computer :(

Anyways, I can basically guarantee that I won't be able to scrim this time, due to the computer's untimely demise (let's hope that reports of this demise are being greatly exaggerated).

Clefairy

07-24-2009, 03:06 AM

we officially have a server to play on for Saturday.

Sunday. :tomatoface: Don't tell me you've contracted my inability to count.

Sensai

07-24-2009, 03:10 AM

!! showed me this. Thank him for the awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Fs-kAJQDU

Powerlord

07-24-2009, 03:48 AM

!! showed me this. Thank him for the awesomeness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-Fs-kAJQDU

I love that domination sound.

Granted, it's SO much better when you hear it in the game... but how often does a Spy dominate a Scout?

On the other hand, I heard the Spy's "We all knew you were a Spy!" one in the game the other day.

Dhsu

07-24-2009, 09:05 AM

I don't know who came up with Spy & Seek but it's BRILLIANT.

Jarvi

07-24-2009, 09:37 AM

Prophet Orwell

07-24-2009, 11:04 AM

Abyss: Does it beep at all when you turn it on?

If so, sounds like a video card issue.

If not, it could be anything. Reseat the RAM first (take it out and put it back in). If that fails, take out the battery (looks like a large watch battery) on the motherboard for 15 seconds and put it back in. Make sure you ground yourself before touching anything.

Check all the wires too.

Prophet Orwell

07-24-2009, 12:12 PM

Read this on reddit...

Manhunt is played with a RED team of Engineers, that have the set-up period (60 seconds) to build a level one sentry and a single Spy on the BLU team, going around sapping/stabing the engineers. Engineers, do not upgrade your sentries past level 1. You may however build dispensers and teleporters.

When the spy makes a kill, that person must then join his team as a spy. This is continued until no engineers on BLU are left. The last engineer alive will get to be the starter spy for the next round.

---

We'd have to wait for someone able to change the server settings for it to work, though, to get rid of autobalance and whatnot.

Garian

07-24-2009, 01:23 PM

on irc yesterday, i made a suggestion for a new gametype in which one team is all engineers, and they get like a minute or so to set up, and the other team has ridiculously high distance falloff on their damage, but has very low respawn times. it was inspired by the final scene of the "meet the engineer" video, during which 20 or 30 members of the blue team are zerging towards the engineer's campfire. DarkeSword came up with a very ingenious name for the gametype, "SentryBreaker." Obviously it needs to be worked out a bit more, but I think if we could come up with some bounds, we could maybe try to figure out some SM scripting and make it happen! or not... your post, prophet, is what reminded me of it :)

Clefairy

07-24-2009, 02:55 PM

I'm reasonably sure you would need to remove the demoman and the sniper (or at least headshots)entirely to make that work. Nades have no falloff at all, and stickies are only subject to it for 5 seconds. The other thing that jumps out at me as being a problem is that all weapons do 100% damage to buildings, regardless of distance. Spread is the only thing that cripples non-explosive classes' ability to deal with them at long range.

Damage percentiles are a huge part of the game's mechanics, though, so it's safe to assume they're not hard-coded. Totally viable.

Hm... Not sure how you'd map for it. The only two designs that come to mind are King of the Hill and Red Rover.

duckyboycantfly

07-24-2009, 04:54 PM

I don't know who came up with Spy & Seek but it's BRILLIANT.
Your welcome.

Also credit to Hish and shit I forgot who else joined us that first time but it was mostly just me and hish

Sensai

07-24-2009, 05:28 PM

I would be incredibly interested in trying out both of those Engineer games, specifically the Spy one.

Man, that'd be great.

Dhsu

07-24-2009, 06:24 PM

Bleck

07-24-2009, 06:58 PM

the best thing about turbine is how I'm always on the team that doesn't understand what 'capture the flag' means

Powerlord

07-24-2009, 07:20 PM

the best thing about turbine is how I'm always on the team that doesn't understand what 'capture the flag' means

I'll be honest, I tend to get stuck on defense duty when playing Turbine regardless of which class I'm playing... even Spy and Scout... because I somehow end up on the team that loses the center area to the enemy.

I suppose it doesn't help that I still don't seem to "get" the trick of jumping on the boxes in the center room... do you have to jump off the stairs onto them, or what?

Abyss

07-24-2009, 07:25 PM

I let the computer sit overnight before touching it again, unplugged. I then started to follow the advice given by Prophet Orwell, and in the process, discovered the motherboard model number. I went to google, and presto, plenty of results of people on forums asking for help with the exact same problem as me. Long and complicated efforts have been made to fix it, and I haven't found one which has been resolved yet. I'm going to start researching a new motherboard. This one was silly anyways, three of the SATA slots were covered by the graphics card I installed :P

Abyss

07-24-2009, 07:26 PM

I suppose it doesn't help that I still don't seem to "get" the trick of jumping on the boxes in the center room... do you have to jump off the stairs onto them, or what?

Yeah, I was stumped by that for a while too. Either you have to be pixel perfect on the balcony, which I have never done but I have heard you can do, or you can jump from the stairs, which is much easier.

Apologies for double posting, by the way.

Zephyr

07-24-2009, 08:30 PM

Haha, awesome times with hide and seek on sawmill last night.

shpladoink

07-24-2009, 08:46 PM

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2918/watsdfsdf.jpg

pavlvs

07-25-2009, 12:12 AM

ER. Everywhere!

Clefairy

07-25-2009, 01:08 AM

To anyone else that might be burned out on the popular maps we play so much of (I'm looking at you, Dustbowl), allow me to direct you here. (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Single_Player_Mods)

Research and Development in particular gets my recommendation, with MINERVA, Powerstation 17 and Joutomaa following closely behind.
--

So, we've been running through the same mapcycle for a good while now, and if the above doesn't make my position clear, I'm pretty tired of it. I love this game, I really do; probably too much, by some standards. But I'm also prepared to let it grow and change into something different, because you know what happens to things that don't? They get old and die. Look at all the games on your shelf you never play anymore if you want proof.

The updates do a lot to that end, but we're approaching the end of that cycle. And it seems rather unlikely to me that we'll see the same level of support and content from Valve once every class has an unlock set. It's possible, just unlikely.

I seem to have lost my train of thought, so I'll just open the floor to discussion. I've posted my ideas for a new mapcycle, what are yours.

Garian

07-25-2009, 09:38 AM

alternatively, change the server to "OCReMix Goldrush/Dustbowl 24/7 | Alltalk" :V

I really don't have a problem with the "overplayed" maps. Some people (coughbleckcough) whine that "no one knows how to play these maps but they play them ALL THE TIME," but the truth is "no one knows how to play TF2 but they play it ALL THE TIME." Of course saying that is a kneejerk reaction to ending up with terrible team balance/management on either side. We end up with the same problems on ANY map, and perfectly balanced teams would be dumb because most matches would stalemate or go to SD, or end up in a Red win for Assault/PL.

I think people need to ditch the squeamishness of custom maps... a less popular server wouldn't be so bad IMO, because it seems the major point of contention that I have (as well as a few other folks) are the absolutely terrible public gamers. Now that doesn't mean I hate pubbies, but it is extremely frustrating when someone doesn't understand some of the core elements of class playstyle, like flanking as a pyro instead of running head-long into the fray. Aside from that, I play on the OCR server because I know the majority of guys who play there, either from IRC & MAGFest or from them playing there regularly, having the pubbies around to fill out the team numbers is just a bit of a bonus even though it can be maddening.

Err... I got sidetracked. WRT custom maps, people say "but they empty out the server!" but generally I find that the more regulars that stay to play on a custom, the more pubs will filter in (although this is not always the case). It's a bit of a cascade effect, if a map is actually good and fun, with a decent-sized handful of regulars, the map will quickly become popular with semi- and non-regular players. Frontier is a great example, I've seen a few 24/25 games on it with a good 50-60% regulars on board. BUT!! we've gotta be certain that people actually LIKE the customs that are selected, it seems lately that while pl_waste gets a decent population, people generally don't like the map because of a few minor issues that balloon quickly, such as the pacing effect of capping the 4th point extending the defensive respawn timer too much, while the cart speed is incredibly fast.

As an aside, I'm guilty of "not caring" about 2fort/turbine matches like a few people, but I'm contemplating considering people that go out of their way to be useless to be trolls. Generally talking about demo "pimp walkers" and spycrabs that detract from their team, people who are at least playing team deathmatch are being a bit of a credit. The whole "it's 2fort/turbine, we never take it seriously" schtick is getting old and when the maps are played as intended the games can be pretty intense. People whine about the turtley nature of CTF maps, but IMO that's just a part of the metagame that they're going to have to work around; sentry farms are never invincible and using some of the game's "features" (such as heavy cornering) can change the tide quite quickly, especially when coupled with spy sapping, invuln ubers, and winbombs.

That brings me to another issue, Alltalk/Deadtalk. Personally I enjoy the alltalk and friendly nature of the OCR server (even though I'm just a jerk that trolls people :(((((((((((((( and stopping is hard it is so tempting) but sometimes I'd like to get in some team-talk games. Then it occurred to me, Wish I Could Shoot has a server for [ZUZ] (and with rambo's financial contributions, [lions]) matches that is normally using a vanilla configuration. So why don't those of us who want to play some team-talk games just go play there once in a while? I'm not going to post the IP publicly out of respect, but if you're on my friend list you should join when I'm playing there, or just ask in the steam chat.

Bleck

07-25-2009, 05:09 PM

I agree with mostly everything garian just said

except

I don't think he pays attention to how bad people suddenly become whenever they play on Dustbowl

'guys all we need to do is take down that sentry'

'OKAY I GUESS I'LL SPEND THE NEXT TWENTY MINUTES RUNNING INTO IT REPEATEDLY EXCEPT FOR WHEN THERE IS AN UBER BECAUSE THEN I WILL EITHER BE RUNNING AROUND SPAWN TRYING TO KILL ONE BLOODY SPY OR I WILL JUST BE DEAD'

this applies to basically everybody who has ever played on the OCR server including all the good players and myself

Clefairy

07-26-2009, 12:10 AM

some things
Pretty much every attack/defend map suffers from this problem to some degree. Dustbowl is just the worst example; I like to think it's the ridiculous number of bottlenecks.

Every single entrance into Red's territory on the map is either a tightly enclosed space, or a massively exploitable choke point. The area around Dustbowl 3-1 is the worst thing Valve has ever designed, in my opinion; there are good spots for at least 3 sentries, which already poses a significant challenge to an unco-ordinated team. Once 4 or more go up, unless blu is smart enough to get two ubered demos going, with escorts to negate red pyros' airblast, it's game fucking over.

It genuinely boggles my mind as to how someone who has played TF2 for any significant length of time can find Dustbowl fun. And of course it follows that they can't explain it, since about 85% of the internet utterly fails at critical thinking.

Powerlord

07-26-2009, 12:22 AM

Pretty much every attack/defend map suffers from this problem to some degree. Dustbowl is just the worst example; I like to think it's the ridiculous number of bottlenecks.

Every single entrance into Red's territory on the map is either a tightly enclosed space, or a massively exploitable choke point. The area around Dustbowl 3-1 is the worst thing Valve has ever designed, in my opinion; there are good spots for at least 3 sentries, which already poses a significant challenge to an unco-ordinated team. Once 4 or more go up, unless blu is smart enough to get two ubered demos going, with escorts to negate red pyros' airblast, it's game fucking over.

It depends on what the other people on RED are doing. If they aren't constantly watching the guns, 1 or more BLU Spies can start sapping them, leaving them vulnerable to Heavies and Soldiers. This is far more likely if BLU is currently trying to push (with or without an uber), as the other teammates usually aren't watching the guns.

Depending on how the guns are set up, a Scout may use Bonk to get past the sentries to the point (I've personally done this).

Spies and Scouts together can actually be a pretty good scoring team.

Edit: To beat someone to the punch, as a Spy, you sneak through when your team isn't currently pushing, because the enemy probably isn't going to be firing into blank space.
Also, there's only one spot where a gun can be placed on 3-1 where a Spy can't reach it.

Edit 2: No, my beef with Dustbowl is that we play it All. The. Time.

EdgeCrusher

07-26-2009, 12:47 AM

I don't mind dustbowl cause I like to challenge myself to see how many idiots I can kill with my sentry. I think my record was 40 something in one sentry life.

Sensai

07-26-2009, 02:33 AM

I definitely don't care about capturing the flag on 2fort/turbine matches. 2fort simply because I think it's a bad map and I pretty much just do stupid things [Edit:] (not spycrab the entire time, but try out new things, such as playing my god awful sniper) the entire round and turbine because I think playing defense is too much fun.

Pub players can be aggravating, but I can't really complain, since I only joined like a month or two before I started playing there. What really does bother me, though, is asshole pub players. Earlier today there were two guys on the server who just bitched and moaned about Red rolling Blu. I said that the teams weren't imbalanced and that we (Blu) just needed a medic. We got one...and then they bitched about Blu rolling Red. Ele and one of them started arguing and it escalated to the point of annoyance.

I'm fine with pub players, good or bad, until they start being assholes. I'd take a bad pubbie who isn't a dick over an all star player who is.

I honestly believe that Dustbowl would be a pretty decent map if Engineers were not allowed.

(Not actually suggesting that, simply saying that sentry farms, while not completely invincible, are pretty damn aggravating, ESPECIALLY on Dustbowl.)

Powerlord

07-26-2009, 03:27 AM

(Not actually suggesting that, simply saying that sentry farms, while not completely invincible, are pretty damn aggravating, ESPECIALLY on Dustbowl.)

I remember being part of a 2 Spy/demoman uber set that took down 4 sentries on Dustbowl 2-2 before. So no, it's not impossible.

To my knowledge, this wasn't coordinated as much as it was being in the right place at the right time.

EdgeCrusher

07-26-2009, 03:36 AM

Yeah, Ive seen 2 demos take out at least 5 sentries in 2. Just requires people to not be retards and work together. Good luck on that ;)

Clefairy

07-26-2009, 06:50 AM

Due to prior commitments I had completely forgotten about, I will be unable to make the scrim tomorrow. I've put Sensai in charge of getting everyone together for game time.

Have fun out there. :P If someone could record a demo while they're at it, that'd be gravy.

Powerlord

07-26-2009, 06:59 AM

OK, I'm going to note that the auto-tune voice is getting really old, really quick.

Monsty

07-26-2009, 07:35 AM

I hope I didn't bug you guys too much tonight. I was off in my only little lala land and... well, if you were there you know. Have a good night, all!

Bleck

07-26-2009, 08:02 AM

OK, I'm going to note that the auto-tune voice is getting really old, really quick.

agreed wholeheartedly

Sensai

07-26-2009, 09:02 AM

Just a friendly reminder for anyone interested in scrimming: we're doing it tomorrow night at 9 PM Eastern. I don't think I'm Steam friends with everyone who's interested, but I'm sure that everyone's friends with at least one person who's scrimming, so you should be able to get the IP from somebody.

We'll be scrimming on the ZUZ server. I'll try to make sure everything's set up at around 8.30 or so. See you all there, hopefully.

BardicKnowledge

07-26-2009, 02:45 PM

Heh; for some reason I thought that the weekend scrim was yesterday, and that I had to miss it :(

Glad to see that 1) there's something for me to do tonight, and 2) everyone isn't pissed at me for not showing up! :p

EDIT: Of course, having posted this, something came up here in Minneapolis, and I couldn't make it. ugh.

Vahn_Paktu

07-26-2009, 04:07 PM

Server IP: 8.12.70.175:27015

Clefairy, I'll get a Source TV demo for you.

Prophet Orwell

07-26-2009, 04:46 PM

OK, I'm going to note that the auto-tune voice is getting really old, really quick.

agreed wholeheartedly

Point taken.

Sensai

07-27-2009, 03:01 AM

Scrim was a blast! We should definitely do it again.

Thanks to the ZUZ folks for letting us use their server and thanks to everyone who showed up!

Vahn_Paktu

07-27-2009, 03:13 AM

gg. Server Demos from the scrim. cp_well and cp_gravelpit
http://vahnpaktu.nexfiles.com/ocrscrim.7z

EDIT: Oh and if you are a stat whore
http://zuz.clanservers.com/stats/index.php

pavlvs

07-27-2009, 03:32 AM

Very fun scrims. We should definitely do it again soon.

Prophet Orwell

07-27-2009, 04:48 AM

Sorry I missed the scrim. I have an exam tomorrow that I needed to study for. I'll be at the next one, though!

Rambo

07-27-2009, 06:24 AM

Bonzai and I are back from Hawaii. Oh... btw Bonzai and I went to Hawaii.

Clefairy

07-27-2009, 06:45 AM

Jeez, the things I miss in a day.

I'm pleased to see people enjoyed the scrim; thanks to Vahn for putting up those demos. :mrgreen:

Since there's interest in doing it again, how does Thursday/Sunday every week sit with y'all?

Kiyobi

07-27-2009, 08:13 AM

Prolly won't catch it every week, but I'll be glad to drop in every now and then.

Secret Agent Man

07-27-2009, 11:06 AM

Clefairy

07-27-2009, 12:48 PM

Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Being able to coordinate, and play with the people of ZUZ/OCR, was a blast.

Would it be possible to do it on a night where I wouldn't have to get up and go to work the next day (e.g. Friday or Saturday nights)? I can technically make both, but it cuts into my sleeping schedule when I do.

Hm... Point. The weekend scrim is supposed to accomodate people with that type of problem, which it doesn't do when held on a Sunday.

New proposal: Wednesdays and Saturdays. Opinions?

Prophet Orwell

07-27-2009, 02:59 PM

Hm... Point. The weekend scrim is supposed to accomodate people with that type of problem, which it doesn't do when held on a Sunday.

New proposal: Wednesdays and Saturdays. Opinions?

Wednesdays I'm not free until (usually) around 9, depending if I hang out after class.

Saturdays, however, I can make without an issue. I approve of Wed/Sat

SirChadlyOC

07-27-2009, 03:25 PM

Bonzai and I are back from Hawaii. Oh... btw Bonzai and I went to Hawaii.

Holy crap, awesome! Where'd you go in Hawaii and for what occasion?

D-Lux

07-27-2009, 04:46 PM

Secret Agent Man

07-27-2009, 10:23 PM

Wednesday and Saturday would be A-OK with me.

Sensai

07-28-2009, 12:28 AM

I'M SORRY YAHOO, I STILL <3 YOU.

I think what happened was that I don't know what time zone the forum uses, so I probably posted in one of those odd times where it's Saturday where I live and Sunday according to the forum...

...or I coulda just been up hella late and I didn't register that it was Sunday yet. Sowwy.

Kiyobi

07-28-2009, 01:13 AM

More likely than not, I won't catch Wednesday. Me and a bunch of friends crash the game room practically every week.

Saturdays though, sure.

Mooker

07-28-2009, 04:07 AM

Dear people I play TF2 with,
I got the fedora today!

Love,
!!

Kiyobi

07-28-2009, 05:00 AM

You have my jealousy.

Sensai

07-28-2009, 09:46 AM

Man...that Goldrush match was amazing. I recorded most of it (I didn't record the beginning of the Huntsman defense. Sorry guys.) and have put it all into a .7z file for your viewing pleasure. You'll need the most excellent 7zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) to get into the archive. If you are for some reason against installing it, I'll put it in a .rar or something for ya. The final file size is roughly 22 MB.

The files are named in a way that it's pretty easy to tell what came first, second, and third as long as you know that our turn on offense came before defense. 2fort was immediately afterwards and I regretably did not record all of that either. In fact, the 2fort demo isn't terribly interesting unless you're tired, haha.

The demos are all from my perspective and, thankfully, without my voice. You can just ad-lib whatever you think I should be saying when you see the little '!' symbol on the right.

Demos. (http://files.getdropbox.com/u/17670/goldrushand2fort.7z)

**This post was made in memory of [...]Toast, who, moments before the awesomeness took place, was switched to the opposite team. I'll miss you.**

Bleck

07-28-2009, 08:10 PM

next time there is a scrim can somebody maybe let me know on steam that would be fantastic

Kiyobi

07-28-2009, 08:58 PM

I missed an epic defense? I am disappoint. (at myself)

I am a noob at this whole demo concept, how does this work?

Vahn_Paktu

07-28-2009, 11:36 PM

Demo's record your game experience.
To Play a Demo someone Recorded:
1) put the .dem file in your Steam\steamapps\**username**\team fortress 2\tf
2)Launch tf2.
3)Hit ~ to access the console. (If it doesn't work enable dev console in options->multiplayer->advanced)
3) Type playdemo theDemoName
4)After loading, it should start playing.
5)To speedup or slowdown the demo: type demoui in the console.

To Record a Demo)
1)Hit ~ to access the console.
2) Type record theNameYouWant
3) To Stop recording: type stop in the console.
4) It is now in your Steam\steamapps\**username**\team fortress 2\tf

Most recordings are only First Person. And each Major update breaks all the demos.
Fancy server demos are if you are awesome and use SourceTV on your own server.

Good news is Valve is trying to get better demo support. Plans include requesting the server to give you a full server recording of your past life and such

Powerlord

07-28-2009, 11:57 PM

Good news is Valve is trying to get better demo support. Plans include requesting the server to give you a full server recording of your past life and such

I would think that would take a lot of extra server power recording anywhere up to 32 demos at once (1 per player).

Nutritious

07-29-2009, 03:22 AM

My bad with the stickies, guys. I don't often play on the server (kind've off and on again player overall), so I wasn't familiar with the rules.

Oriden

07-29-2009, 07:19 AM

Yeah those matches were quite fun.

This is why I hate when Heavy's have to many medics...

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l206/Oriden/FTFSensai.png

Clefairy

07-29-2009, 12:40 PM

I heard Aeronaut talk tonight. That never happens.

So let's see... Hish, Joseki, Aeronaut... Unless I'm missing someone else who never talks, it's just Ele now.

Also there was some stuff about human towers and general mayhem on Orange X. Kamikaze has an embarassment of screenshots (184 was the number I believe), so we should be seeing a few of those soon.

Vahn_Paktu

07-29-2009, 12:47 PM

I would think that would take a lot of extra server power recording anywhere up to 32 demos at once (1 per player).
All you need is the one server demo which SourceTV already does.
http://communityfortress.com/tf2/news/new-tf2-demo-format.php

Also, why do the forums go down each time I post...

A Random Tiger

07-29-2009, 01:52 PM

My bad with the stickies, guys. I don't often play on the server (kind've off and on again player overall), so I wasn't familiar with the rules.

No worries.
You stopped when you were told, so its all good.
: P

Brushfire

07-29-2009, 02:56 PM

Hey everyone. I will have internet again soon. I will be back on the TF2s soon. Annoucing and Admin-ing and all that good stuff. Internet SHOULD be on the 7th. Comcast somehow broke the cable pole while attempting to put my cable in the first time. So now I have to wait till they fix the pole, but they won't tell anyone when the pole will get fixed.

BUT!!

Soon I will return.

Also, if you missed Otakon's SF2 Rainbow commentation, you really missed out.

piendry

07-29-2009, 08:57 PM

So, after I had fully intended to to go to sleep last night, someone *cough*Sensai*cough* told me that there was some sort of heavy tower going on. So I had to see it, and now you can too! I didn't really get any closeups, it was mostly wide shots of the whole thing.

Heavy Tower

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss77/piendry/heavytower.jpg

Spy tower (or at least the beginnings, tf2 died shortly after for me)

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss77/piendry/spytower.jpg

Leaning tower

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss77/piendry/leaningtowerdos6.jpg

I still think we should have done a cloaked spy tower and then had two pyros set the whole thing on fire........

piendry

07-29-2009, 09:01 PM

These are the last two out of the 183 shots I managed to get I'm going to post....

Tower of Success(everyone) plus the highest the heavy on top jumped with the help of the tower.

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss77/piendry/jumpingheavybest.jpg

And finally, there was a confusion as to which was the real Sensai.

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss77/piendry/whichistherealsensai.jpg

I know I took a screenshot of clefairy and sensai jumping off together, but I cannot for the life of me find it.

Aeronaut

07-29-2009, 09:38 PM

D-Lux

07-30-2009, 12:09 AM

Orange X was the first TF2 map I ever saw (my roommate at the time was playing it), and since then, I had never seen it until today in this thread. I want to play it!

EdgeCrusher

07-30-2009, 12:10 AM

We did a 20 something person tower in Reaction Quake 3 one time, god it was great :D

Lumpy

07-30-2009, 09:11 AM

Haha, I think I'm the civilian heavy at the top.

atmuh

07-30-2009, 02:01 PM

hi guys

Bahamut

07-30-2009, 02:29 PM

Hey Atmuh!

atmuh

07-30-2009, 02:30 PM

oh god my name is capitalized on here
can someone please change that????????

RedFusion

07-30-2009, 03:48 PM

Wowowowowowow atma is back?!

wb.

Brushfire

07-30-2009, 04:38 PM

oh god my name is capitalized on here can someone please change that???????? You gotta talk to Larry Oji or David Lloyd to get your name changed. It worked for me, IT COULD WORK YOU! I garuntee it.

SirChadlyOC

07-30-2009, 04:57 PM

oh god my name is capitalized on here
can someone please change that????????

No. Nor can you change it in your sig, which is a throwback to the well-mannered Atmuh of 2006.

In other news, I'm leaving for Rambo and Others' country (I.E. Canada) and will be gone for 2 weeks.

I hope to return with Corner Gas Season ALL on DVD.

EdgeCrusher

07-30-2009, 06:25 PM

After Saturday I'll be gone for a week or longer to Atlanta. Maybe I can get some Larry buttsech in.

Dhsu

07-30-2009, 08:20 PM

atmuh

07-30-2009, 09:12 PM

I was under the impression that Larry was living in D.C. with djp. Was that just a temporary thing I guess?

Also I don't know if you need admin or a reserved slot to cancel votes, but whatever it is, atmuh needs to not have it.

uh i cancelled a voteban against me because i killed someone with a gun when they said MELEE ONLY
i HATE melee only

i guess ill just leave the server the next time they decide to do that nonsense

DrumUltimA

07-30-2009, 09:39 PM

I was under the impression that Larry was living in D.C. with djp. Was that just a temporary thing I guess?

Also I don't know if you need admin or a reserved slot to cancel votes, but whatever it is, atmuh needs to not have it.

Yeah, larry just moved back to atlanta. Sorry, I'm only looking at this thread because I saw atmuh posted and I was in disbelief.

atmuh

07-30-2009, 09:47 PM

Yeah, larry just moved back to atlanta. Sorry, I'm only looking at this thread because I saw atmuh posted and I was in disbelief.
hey doug how you been buddy

Monsty

07-31-2009, 04:28 AM

If you're a regular Crimson Card, take a few deep breaths and relax. TF2 is a vidja game. Play it for fun!

Syntax_Error

07-31-2009, 04:35 AM

Hey,

I am sure everyone has heard me troll on the server before ^_^

EDIT: Okay not really, but hi anyway.

Monsty

07-31-2009, 04:41 AM

Hello!

And I'm pretty sure my rockets do about 7 damage at point blank range. It's quite the feat.

Sensai

07-31-2009, 04:41 AM

@ Clefairy: Sorry, but for some reason it never occurred to me when you earlier were speaking about people who have mics that never talk; anyways, Lumpy has a mic.

Every once in a while he'll push the talk key and hit the mic. It hurts the ears, but it's nice because it's out of love.

duckyboycantfly

07-31-2009, 04:48 AM

uh i cancelled a voteban against me because i killed someone with a gun when they said MELEE ONLY
i HATE melee only

i guess ill just leave the server the next time they decide to do that nonsense
Yeah but cancelled votes got taken away from regs.

how'd you do it???

Orange X was the first TF2 map I ever saw (my roommate at the time was playing it), and since then, I had never seen it until today in this thread. I want to play it!
I'll give you a hint. We don't play it for a reason.

(it's more sniperfort than 2fort)

atmuh

07-31-2009, 05:01 AM

Yeah but cancelled votes got taken away from regs.

how'd you do it???

I'll give you a hint. We don't play it for a reason.

(it's more sniperfort than 2fort)

i gues i am admin idk

Dhsu

07-31-2009, 05:52 AM

Sensai

07-31-2009, 08:33 AM

Jeah, you really don't wanna play Orange. When people cite everything wrong with TF2, they're really talking about Orange. Low respawn times and a kinda difficult health cabinet to get to, along with no incentive to play anything but Sniper...makes for really, REALLY dumb people.

Like, you think 2fort kids are bad? Man...

duckyboycantfly

07-31-2009, 05:43 PM

i gues i am admin idk
giv m3 admins plz

Powerlord

07-31-2009, 07:05 PM

Since people have expressed interest in who is currently an admin, as of right now the admins consist of:

Bahamut
Darkesword
zircon
Hemophiliac
Dhsu
Powerlord
garian
Fireslash
Rambo
Brushfire

Brushfire

08-01-2009, 01:44 AM

Since people have expressed interest in who is currently an admin, as of right now the admins consist of:Bahamut
Darkesword
zircon
Hemophiliac
Dhsu
Powerlord
garian
Fireslash
Rambo
Brushfire

Though I am still on vacation, I admin in spirit. Though I will return on the 7th or so.

Powerlord

08-01-2009, 01:47 AM

I was going to update some maps tonight that have new versions, but it turns out that fpsbanana is down (http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.fpsbanana.com), and certain maps with new versions (coughpl_dbheightscough) don't have them accessible anywhere else without needing some u/p bullshit.

pl_cashworks was updated to rc2 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=1718). I *highly* suggest you download this in advance, as cashworks is huge (41.1MB compressed).

Also, just to churn things up a bit, I implemented the mapcycle Clefairy suggested a few pages back.

atmuh

08-01-2009, 02:09 AM

duckyboycantfly

08-01-2009, 05:35 AM

cashworks is a horrible map
It's fun to play when there aren't many people and you are a spy.

Other than that yeah, not very fun on a full server.

also why does zircon have admins he never plays. give me admins i play lots more than him!!!

atmuh

08-01-2009, 05:36 AM

It's fun to play when there aren't many people and you are a spy.

Other than that yeah, not very fun on a full server.

also why does zircon have admins he never plays. give me admins i play lots more than him!!!
why do you want to be an admin so bad
being an admin makes the game less fun

A Random Tiger

08-01-2009, 05:53 AM

Hmm. I'm not able to download the Hoodoo map for some reason.
I'm thinking other people had that problem too considering the server went from like 22 people to 0 in a matter of seconds.

Aeronaut

08-01-2009, 07:08 AM

Hmm. I'm not able to download the Hoodoo map for some reason.
I'm thinking other people had that problem too considering the server went from like 22 people to 0 in a matter of seconds.
Here's confirming that I had the same issue, though I could have sworn that I'd downloaded Hoodoo a while back, when it was first "featured". I wonder what's causing this... Here's the error:
"Missing map maps/pl_hoodoo.bsp, disconnecting"

In other news, I've begun text-commentating while spectating. Hope everyone's enjoying it. :D

Powerlord

08-01-2009, 01:53 PM

Hoodoo is included in TF2 as of the Spy/Sniper update... wait, maybe the version in the mapcycle has the wrong name...

Yup, that was it. We had two versions of hoodoo on the server, and the mapcycle was using the wrong one. I've deleted the old one, fixed the mapcycle, and restarted the server.

EdgeCrusher

08-01-2009, 02:15 PM

You shouldn't need hoodoo anyway, as it is a terrible map experience.

Brushfire

08-01-2009, 07:04 PM

I just can't seem to win whe it comes to internet here in Maryland. My Palm Pre doesnlt have a workiing irc client so I will be reduced to frivolous forum posts.

Powerlord

08-01-2009, 07:35 PM

Is there something wrong with the crit rates on the server right now? I seem to be dying an obscene amount of times from single-hit crit kills.

EdgeCrusher

08-01-2009, 11:36 PM

Someone was complaining earlier about a guy getting massive amount of crit kills with his soldier. I don't know what sup.

Bleck

08-01-2009, 11:45 PM

Someone was complaining earlier about crits

sound the alarm

Powerlord

08-01-2009, 11:57 PM

Someone was complaining earlier about a guy getting massive amount of crit kills with his soldier. I don't know what sup.

I just ignored that, because Soldiers always get lots of crits. I'm convinced that the rocket launcher has a higher crit rate because of its slow speed.

No, I just got critted quite a bit on turbine, and literally half the time (6/12) on fastlane earlier. I rage quit after three single-hit crit kills in a row... by single-hit I mean literally 3 shots were taken at me to kill me 3 times: 2 with a Fire Axe and one with a rocket.

EdgeCrusher

08-02-2009, 12:21 AM

Sure soldiers get a lot of crits, but not as much as my wrench :D

DarkeSword

08-02-2009, 01:06 AM

I noticed I seemed to be getting crit fire a lot more often last night while using the AB.

Monsty

08-02-2009, 01:38 AM

Interesting that you guys are talking about higher crit rates... as I was just coming here to laugh about the ridiculous number of crit stickies I was tossing on Goldrush just now. I almost felt a little bad. Almost.

EdgeCrusher

08-02-2009, 01:52 AM

Now that I think about it, I did have more crit balls with my sandman earlier. Weird...

atmuh

08-02-2009, 03:50 AM

the crit rate for everything is the same except for melee crits

the only way you could change the crit rate is by a crits chance plugin (i know ive used it) and looking at the cvars of the ocr server i dont see that plugin installed so it should be the normal rate

ive seen people crit hacking, but with that every shot they fire is a crit, and its really easy to pick out and ban for so i doubt thats whats happening, but maybe at some point tonight ill hop on the server and see if i notice anything suspicious

crit fire
one of MANY reasons you should never use the backburner
crit fire is a big deal (although obviously not if crits are off)

DarkeSword

08-02-2009, 04:15 AM

one of MANY reasons you should never use the backburner
crit fire is a big deal (although obviously not if crits are off)

:P

I've had a lot of success lately with backburner.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 04:24 AM

:P

I've had a lot of success lately with backburner.
i really dont wanna go into my 20+ reasons why the regular flamethrower is better but it isnt really that hard to kill someone with the regular one if you catch him from behind!

Powerlord

08-02-2009, 05:38 AM

So, we tried a new map tonight: cp_furnace_b3 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=978).

It's a Gravelpit style A and B, then C map.

It was actually pretty fun!

It's currently replaced arena_storm_b1c (which has been rtved every time it's come up or votenextmapped when people notice it's coming up) on the rotation.

Tomorrow when no one's on, I need to move it to a different spot. Right now, it directly follows Gravelpit, and the two of them are a bit too similar to be next to each other.

A Random Tiger

08-02-2009, 06:42 AM

Yeah that Furnace map was pretty good. I could get used to playing it.

Powerlord

08-02-2009, 07:00 AM

I did a few other map updates:

Updated pl_dbheights to b5 (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/101017) now that fpsbanana is working again. Section 3 point 1 has been changed quite a bit... the spawn room appears to have been moved and rotated 90 degrees left so that the cart takes a Waluigi L shape to where point A usually is on cp_dustbowl: pic (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/screens/101017?img=http://temple.fpsbanana.com/ss/maps/101017b.jpg). This section used to have the spawn where it normally is, but did a U shape through a new area to where point A was. There's been a few other changes, such as the cart now routing down the tunnel near the end of section 2 (pic (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/screens/101017?img=http://temple.fpsbanana.com/ss/maps/101017c.jpg)), and defense getting a shorter respawn time. If you don't download it in advance, it's an 11.9 MB download.

Added cp_waste (http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=2073) to the server. It's the control point version of pl_waste. If you don't download it in advance, it's an 18.1 MB download.

Also, if you opt not to download cp_furnace_b3 in advance, it's a 20.8 MB download.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 08:12 AM

cp_furnace_b3
ive played that a few times
good map

Vivi22

08-02-2009, 10:22 AM

i really dont wanna go into my 20+ reasons why the regular flamethrower is better but it isnt really that hard to kill someone with the regular one if you catch him from behind!

But try killing five someones in a group, say on a point, before one of them manages a solid shot to blow you to pieces. When dealing with multiple enemies at once (as I usually do as a Pyro), anything that kills them faster is preferable to being blown up.

Secret Agent Man

08-02-2009, 12:38 PM

Garian

08-02-2009, 02:14 PM

SAM i didn't mean to say that it WAS caused by that, just that that is my suspicion. It could've been some file reference getting changed in an update or something for all we know. but yeah it is pretty annoying.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 02:47 PM

But try killing five someones in a group, say on a point, before one of them manages a solid shot to blow you to pieces. When dealing with multiple enemies at once (as I usually do as a Pyro), anything that kills them faster is preferable to being blown up.
youve obviously never played when i was a pyro
if youve got tunnelvision OH LOOK ITS A BACK IM GONNA GO FOR IT EASY KILL good chance a soldier will see that youre holding the roflbackburner and take you out easily (uh if youre concerned about being blown up im pretty sure the backburner is NOT the choice you want)
if its on the cart, you can take out pretty much everyone on it unless there are like 6+ people with the flamethrower rather easily as long as you actually use your head

BardicKnowledge

08-02-2009, 02:53 PM

youve obviously never played when i was a pyro
if youve got tunnelvision OH LOOK ITS A BACK IM GONNA GO FOR IT EASY KILL good chance a soldier will see that youre holding the roflbackburner and take you out easily (uh if youre concerned about being blown up im pretty sure the backburner is NOT the choice you want)
if its on the cart, you can take out pretty much everyone on it unless there are like 6+ people with the flamethrower rather easily as long as you actually use your head

I'm with atmuh on this one -- if you're really concerned about getting behind people, play spy. Pyro's AB gives him so much more utility it's a joke to use the BB in anything but very special situations.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 04:03 PM

very special situations.
when youre either really drunk, half asleep, or playing with 100+ ping

Secret Agent Man

08-02-2009, 04:06 PM

I for one would like to hear these 20 reasons to not use the backburner.

Sporknight

08-02-2009, 04:12 PM

I for one would like to hear these 20 reasons to not use the backburner.

Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 04:23 PM

Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast. Airblast.
essentially, except i there are a lot of individual reasons why the airblast is incredibly important

maybe ill make a really long post later

Powerlord

08-02-2009, 04:31 PM

By the way, something is odd with Arena maps at the moment. You can choose your team when joining, and none of the arena rules apply (i.e. teams don't autobalance, crits are still on). I was told that this was done to play that one spies vs. pyro game...

That's my fault. I was experimenting with the tf_arena_use_queue cvar. I'd forgotten I'd changed it, actually.

Should be back to normal now.

A Random Tiger

08-02-2009, 05:30 PM

I for one would like to hear these 20 reasons to not use the backburner.

I can't give you twenty, but I can give you a few

Airblasting people off of a control point rather than trying to burn them can win you the game.
Its one of, if not THE best defense against an uber attack.
You can save your teammates when they're on fire so they don't have to retreat for health.
You can defend sentries from spies AND demo's/soldiers rather than just spies.

Where the backburner is just good for ambushing from behind.

Powerlord

08-02-2009, 05:32 PM

Its one of, if not THE best defense against an uber attack.

Scout's Sandman stun (preferably on the medic) is the best, but if they miss...

atmuh

08-02-2009, 07:15 PM

Scout's Sandman stun (preferably on the medic) is the best, but if they miss...
nah a good poof pyro is more valuable

Powerlord

08-02-2009, 07:16 PM

nah a good poof pyro is more valuable

That's why I said "but if they miss..." because chances are, particularly if they aim at the medic, that they will miss.

atmuh

08-02-2009, 07:28 PM

That's why I said "but if they miss..." because chances are, particularly if they aim at the medic, that they will miss.
well no ive got pretty good aim with the sandman but chances are the medic will be well protected by the whoever it is he's ubering so i go for that person instead
either way the stun usually wont last the whole uber and if the medic is using the click once to heal he'll continue to uber whoever he's ubering even while stunned, and if the heavy/demo/pyro is sitting there taking out a sentry that stun isnt doing much

I can't give you twenty, but I can give you a few

Airblasting people off of a control point rather than trying to burn them can win you the game.
Its one of, if not THE best defense against an uber attack.
You can save your teammates when they're on fire so they don't have to retreat for health.
You can defend sentries from spies AND demo's/soldiers rather than just spies.

Where the backburner is just good for ambushing from behind.
wow incredibly defensive pyro, youre supposed to be out at the front lines getting all the kills!
seriously i will do my rant later but it will take me a long time so not until later!!
and i feel very strongly on this subject im sure you can tell

A Random Tiger

08-02-2009, 08:17 PM

Yeah they are all defensive stuff but those are the best uses I have for it.

Sensai

08-02-2009, 08:59 PM

I'm pretty sure that we have this conversation every 25 or so pages. :-D

Not to say I'm getting bored of it (because I still enjoy people attempting to justify the backburner), simply that we know where the line is drawn: the majority of people here prefer the normal flamethrower while a few like the backburner. Neither side is going to convince the other that they're the superior one.

Lumpy

08-02-2009, 09:18 PM

The backburner is good in a few very specific scenarios.

EdgeCrusher

08-02-2009, 09:29 PM

Hey, its not my fault you all suck with the backburner. I'm awesome at it.

Bleck

08-02-2009, 09:31 PM

The backburner is good in a few very specific scenarios.

and in each one of those scenarios it would be a lot better to be a spy with knife at the ready

atmuh

08-02-2009, 09:57 PM

Hey, its not my fault you all suck with the backburner. I'm awesome at it.
uh no you arent
I'm pretty sure that we have this conversation every 25 or so pages. :-D
ive watched this thread although banned (this was basically the only one id ever look at) and never seen ANYTHING like im about to rant

WHY THE FLAMETHROWER IS SUPERIOR TO THE BACKBURNER

I'll start off with 1v1 situations against the 5 primary attack classes.

Scout - This really doesn't matter. If the scout is good, you're screwed no matter what. If he's bad, he's an easy W+M1 with either weapon.

Pyro - Backburner vs Backburner is usually just two pyros W+M1ing into each other with both trying to get a lucky back crit while spinning around the other. Flamethrower vs. Flamethrower really just depends on which one knows what he's doing. Flamethrower vs. Backburner will almost always end in favor of the pyro with the flamethrower, because he can very easily poof the other pyro and switch to the shotgun (or flaregun, but your aim had better be good) and finish him off while he's trying to get his bearings from being pushed into the air.

Soldier - Ok this one is obvious, but from someone who plays a lot of soldier, literally the first thing any soldier does when he sees a pyro is look at what he's holding. If I see a backburner, I smile and take care of the pyro with two easy rockets. If I see the flamethrower, I know I'm gonna have to be careful. A good soldier will still probably win, but the pyro will at least get the soldier to be more careful and possibly just retreat.

Demo - Another one that's pretty easy. A decent demo will throw a few easy pipes if he sees that the pyro will have no way to reflect them. If you've got the flamethrower you can just poof everything as you W+M1 him since he's a lot slower.

Heavy - One of the few times that you might wish you had the backburner is when you get behind a (really dumb) heavy medic combo that never turns around, because you can take them both out quickly. But if they're that dumb the regular flames should be just as effective. When facing a heavy 1v1, the pyro will almost always lose if the heavy sees him coming. You have the opportunity, if you have the flamethrower, to poof him and bolt out if you're close enough, and also circle-strafing a heavy works a lot more than it should, with either weapon.

As mentioned earlier, poofing people off a point or sitting like an idiot and poofing an uber can be ridiculously effective, and stopping an uber can be game breaking. The only uber that can get through a poofing pyro easily is a heavy uber, since you can easily kill the pyro. The rest are literally stopped by a poofing pyro.

Something that was added with the sniper/spy update that people overlooked was the ability to change poofed objects into crits when kritzed. This turns the pyro into a viable kritz target (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYQJmVTa7Mw). One of these days I'll compile a lot more of my kritz pyro ubers into a real video, as this one was just a test of how to post stuff on youtube.

Poofing makes the axtinguisher more effective.

Oh hey I forgot something! As was mentioned you can put out people on fire now. While this may seem like a nice thing to do sitting behind the lines and extinguishing whoever needs it, it also makes the medic pyro much more effective. As a medic I love following a poof pyro, as whenever something gets too close to me the pyro can poof him away. I feel a lot more protected. What's most important, when I'm on fire, he turns around and puts me out. This is a BIG DEAL. Burning to death as a medic is ANNOYING.

Oh yeah, and critfire. Critfire is the nicest surprise :).

I probably forgot stuff so if I think of more I'll add it later!!