OCR TF2: New Server forthcoming - new server IPs and other stuff

[Powerlord]

Admin meeting is now scheduled for Tuesday (tomorrow) at 8:30PM EST on Server #2. I know I'll be there before that, but that's when we'll take care of business.

Wouldn't IRC be better for this sort of thing?

Also, FireSlash started some work a while back to separate the two servers' sourcemod installs. I'm going to finish this later this week; probably Wednesday, as I have the day off.

I have a feeling that the merged sourcemod installs are the cause of our current rtv problems, possibly with the mapcycle too.

P.S. OCR Old is now password locked. If you *really* want to log onto it, password is "ocrold".

[ParanoidDrone]

I assume this part of the master plan to slowly phase out the old server?

[Powerlord]

I assume this part of the master plan to slowly phase out the old server?

Slowly? The subscription on it ends in a few weeks, and I doubt Baha is going to renew it.

[Kiyobi]

arf brt
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Kiyobi/cp_well0001.jpg

[pavlvs]

arf brt

D: D: D: :shock:

[A Random Tiger]

9/9/09 - Day of the arf brt

[Powerlord]

9/9/09 - Day of the arf brt

It's already been two months? Damn, I thought it was just a few hours ago.

[A Random Tiger]

It's already been two months? Damn, I thought it was just a few hours ago.

ffff why did I think it was. . .
Oh right.
Too many 9's when I was at the Town hall earlier. .

11/9/09**************



Also tonight, though it was fun, I realize that scrims aren't for me.
Takes a lot of fun out of the game when you can't talk to your opponents too.

[Kiyobi]

D: D: D: :shock:
See what you missed out on?! D8

[Xerol Oplan]

I would pay money for the Tough Guy Tuque

PM me let's talk.

[FireSlash]

I have a feeling that the merged sourcemod installs are the cause of our current rtv problems, possibly with the mapcycle too.
The installs should be entirely separate with the single exception of the admins list and groups file.

Though they may be sharing certain shared config files in cfg/sourcemod and ./

[Powerlord]

The installs should be entirely separate with the single exception of the admins list and groups file.

Though they may be sharing certain shared config files in cfg/sourcemod and ./

I didn't think server 2 was configured to use the other copy yet.

[FireSlash]

I didn't think server 2 was configured to use the other copy yet.
I did it right after I copied the second over. Unless those changes got reverted.

[Powerlord]

#1 should no longer have any customs in any of its map changing features.

Let me know if there are still problems, and which map comes up.

P.S. This was after it was on swiftwater earlier today.

[Bahamut]

So we had our admin meeting - it was a good talk about the servers and the future and stuff. Look forward to special events in the near future!

[Powerlord]

So, I forget... which server were we going to rename Red and which Blue? Since Red is team #1 in the editor (and Blue is team #2), I think #1 should be Red and #2 Blue.

[atmuh]

why would you do that itll just confuse people 1 and 2 is better because 1 means HEY THIS IS THE PRIMARY SERVER

[Bahamut]

No reason it can't say the # in the title.

[Eulogic]

blue rhymes with two, so it seems pretty obvious

also red rhymes with head and bed and lead (but only the noun)

[Powerlord]

I just got stopped from starting TF2 by an update... but when the update finished it said it was a Left 4 Dead 2 update...

I'm going to restart #2 and see if there really was a steam update (it'll auto-apply it if there is).

Edit: Doesn't appear to be a TF2 update. No idea why the updater stopped me.

[A Random Tiger]

So we had our admin meeting - it was a good talk about the servers and the future and stuff. Look forward to special events in the near future!

Any elaboration on that? o:

[Black Waltz]

Any elaboration on that? o:

Haha, I can't stop laughing at your signature, Random. Also, what was that Nathan Explosion sound clip that you play sometimes?

[atmuh]

fyi pregame mayhem kills and deaths and humiliation kills and deaths go towards your k/d ratio on hlstats community
can you disable the pregame mayhem so we can have an accurate k/d ratio tracking


Oh and I've been using this HUD that look mom a grebe drew for me but she told me not to post it because she wanted to fix some stuff but now she's satisfied with it so here you go!
http://atmuh.com/tf2/files/DisneyHUDv1.rar
This is what it will look like:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8971/disneyhud.th.png (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/disneyhud.png/)

[Vivi22]

If you've not already, feel free to add any of the admins as steam friends.

It would help if some of the admins would accept the friend invites. I'm looking at you FireSlash and Rambo. :p

[FireSlash]

It would help if some of the admins would accept the friend invites. I'm looking at you FireSlash and Rambo. :p

I'm leaving it pending as a reminder to add your reserved slot :P

[A Random Tiger]

Haha, I can't stop laughing at your signature, Random. Also, what was that Nathan Explosion sound clip that you play sometimes?

I don't remember what episode it was from, but it was Nathan reading from a peace of paper saying he hated someone.
I want to say it was from the episode with the therapist, but I can't be sure.

It's too damn long to be practical, and I've stopped using HLDJ anyway

[Meeting_Gman]

I didn't know if I should say anything about this, so I'm happy to see there are people talking about it...

I'm well aware of the idiots on the internet, and I'm a veteran when it comes to dealing with sexism on the internet; I can usually brush it off. But when I'm in the OCR server, I guess I don't expect this kind of stuff. And if the random pubby joins and starts with sexist comments, I hope that someone says or does something.

Yes, you could say today's comments of "OMG GIRL, LET'S RAPE HER BEFORE SHE LEAVES" were mild, but it still concerned me that nothing was really done or said. I've had someone say to me in the OCR server that I was "nothing more than a warm wet hole to fuck," and nothing was done that time either.

So I guess I'm saying that I'm holding the OCR server, its admins and the community up to a higher standard than to be expected of the internet, and I'm hopeful that I can rely on more people than my boyfriend to support me if this kind of thing happens again.

Sorry to hear that Bonzai.

OCR has had the luxury lately, of having many new people joining it. The only downside with this however, is that they haven't become familiar with the regulars and because of that they lack the sense of friendliness and respect you give to those you have friendship with. That doesn't excuse the behavior and it would be good to point out to these individuals, that such behavior is not something they should engage in.

[Sauzer]

fyi pregame mayhem kills and deaths and humiliation kills and deaths go towards your k/d ratio on hlstats community
can you disable the pregame mayhem so we can have an accurate k/d ratio tracking


Oh and I've been using this HUD that look mom a grebe drew for me but she told me not to post it because she wanted to fix some stuff but now she's satisfied with it so here you go!
http://atmuh.com/tf2/files/DisneyHUDv1.rar
This is what it will look like:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8971/disneyhud.th.png (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/disneyhud.png/)

how dat work

[atmuh]

how dat work
there is a simple readme in the rar



EDIT

23:54 | <<atmuh>> seriously can brushfire not slay all because it is so funny it ISNT FUNNY AND IT IS TRACKED BY HLSTATS NOW
23:56 | <<garian>> hahahaha
23:56 | <<atmuh>> i mean seriously
23:56 | <<garian>> internet schlong
23:57 | <<atmuh>> i just want an accurate k/d ratio
23:57 | <<atmuh>> which is why i dont do pregame mayhem and get 100 kills
23:57 | <<atmuh>> because that counts too
23:58 | <<garian>> so play on a vanilla server
23:58 | <<BrushFortress2>> Hlstats is disabled after the game ends
23:58 | <<Thndr>> yeah
23:58 | <<BrushFortress2>> Or does simple logic escapr you atmuh?
23:58 | <<garian>> he's talking about his internal records or smth
23:58 | <<BrushFortress2>> Cry some more
23:58 | <<atmuh>> no it isnt
23:58 | <<Thndr>> stopyou should be bitching that it counts in humiliation
23:58 | <<atmuh>> its parsed log files
23:58 | <<atmuh>> its NOT disabled when round ends
23:58 | <<BrushFortress2>> It is just a game d00d
23:59 | <<Thndr>> exactly
23:59 | <<atmuh>> check hlstats before and after humiliation
23:59 | <<garian>> i play games to relax don't do it
23:59 | <<atmuh>> if its just a game why do you type rank every 2 deaths
23:59 | <<garian>> ocd
23:59 | <<BrushFortress2>> Yeah once a game is every two deaths
23:59 | <<Thndr>> I miss it showing me the points
23:59 | <<atmuh>> every 2 deaths
23:59 | <<atmuh>> 5 at the very most
23:59 | <<atmuh>> you type rank
23:59 | <<atmuh>> its rather funny to me
23:59 | > Nick: BrushFortress2 is now known as BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo
00:00 | > Day changed to Thursday, November 12th 2009.
00:00 | <<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo>> Anyway, i dont give a rats ass about KDR
00:00 | <<garian>> wind the clock! wind the clock!
00:00 | <<atmuh>> you care about points
00:00 | <<garian>> um... it's a jumprope rhyme
00:00 | <<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo>> Amount of kills with BB is what I am after
00:00 | <<garian>> ch-chung
00:00 | <<garian>> ch-chung
00:00 | <<garian>> magitek armor!
00:00 | <<atmuh>> i care about an accurate record of my performance
00:00 | <<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo>> Tough shit


so what are these stats even for if theyre gonna be skewed by pregame mayhem and stupid slays

[Brushfire]

Again, you are the ONLY one who cares atmuh. This is why we had an admin meeting. We discussed this at great length, and if you can't get over one, repeat ONE, death during a game, then go play somewhere else.

So seriously, stop your crying and pandering to every other admin out there, because it making you look even more like a douche.

You don't like the way we run OUR server, go fucking play somewhere else.

Also he forgot to post this part of the Chat Log

<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> Go play on your own server then
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> oh wait
<atmuh> ok really
<garian> haha
<atmuh> i was gonna make a new post but why ill just copypaste the log
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> We discussed it in the admin meeting, and this was ruled as harmless admin commands
* Dyne (dyne2057.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: sleep.)
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> So you being the only one with a problem with it, makes you the minority on this one
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> SO SHUT UP
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> Jesus
<atmuh> was it brought up that its a part of the hlstats tracking then
<atmuh> prob not because you didnt knowi t
<garian> /nick cheese
<garian> brushfire i hope you know what to do

[pavlvs]

so what are these stats even for if theyre gonna be skewed by pregame mayhem and stupid slays

I find myself wondering the same thing.

[ParanoidDrone]

Honestly, I don't care about pregame mayhem, humiliation, or end-of-round slayings. I just want it to count my backstabs again. <_<

[atmuh]

Again, you are the ONLY one who cares atmuh. This is why we had an admin meeting. We discussed this at great length, and if you can't get over one, repeat ONE, death during a game, then go play somewhere else.

So seriously, stop your crying and pandering to every other admin out there, because it making you look even more like a douche.

You don't like the way we run OUR server, go fucking play somewhere else.

Also he forgot to post this part of the Chat Log

<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> Go play on your own server then
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> oh wait
<atmuh> ok really
<garian> haha
<atmuh> i was gonna make a new post but why ill just copypaste the log
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> We discussed it in the admin meeting, and this was ruled as harmless admin commands
* Dyne (dyne2057.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: sleep.)
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> So you being the only one with a problem with it, makes you the minority on this one
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> SO SHUT UP
<BrushForDead2|ElectricBoogaloo> Jesus
<atmuh> was it brought up that its a part of the hlstats tracking then
<atmuh> prob not because you didnt knowi t
<garian> /nick cheese
<garian> brushfire i hope you know what to do

I find myself wondering the same thing.

he said that he didnt like it pages and pages ago too so it ISNT just me and im sure there are others but they just arent as vocal about it as i am

and if you wanna do it then why cant you just have the decency to refrain from doing it when people like me and pav are playing because you KNOW it pisses us off

[Dr. Tran!]

If you want to track your oh so SOOPER SRS stats 'correctly'...there are plenty of servers out there for you to choose from, Atmuh.

I'm surprised you haven't noticed by now, but, the OCR servers are not serious, and there are very few people who give a shit about the stats hlstats tracks. You are part of a very small minority.

Personally I find the random slayings to be rather funny, especially if it makes people nerd rage.

[atmuh]

If you want to track your oh so SOOPER SRS stats 'correctly'...there are plenty of servers out there for you to choose from, Atmuh.

I'm surprised you haven't noticed by now, but, the OCR servers are not serious, and there are very few people who give a shit about the stats hlstats tracks. You are part of a very small minority.

Personally I find the random slayings to be rather funny, especially if it makes people nerd rage.
i know pavlvs cares and on more than one occasion ds stated that he cares about long term k/d ratio tracking and one is an admin and the other hosts the server and ive played here a heck of a lot longer than you i think i know what im talking about here

[Brushfire]

Because I totally go out of my way to slay everyone at the end of a map, just to piss you off atmuh.

Listen to your asinine argument d00d.

It boils down to you saying "I don't want this cause it adds one death to my KDR." The KDR's round up for christ sake.

I have one more death than kill, and I still have a 1.0 ratio.

So go cry me a river d00d.

[atmuh]

Because I totally go out of my way to slay everyone at the end of a map, just to piss you off atmuh.
i didnt say you did i said you KNOW IT DOES so why not just not do it when im there its really easy!

[Dr. Tran!]

i know pavlvs cares and on more than one occasion ds stated that he cares about long term k/d ratio tracking and one is an admin and the other hosts the server and ive played here a heck of a lot longer than you i think i know what im talking about here

Can you not read or something? I said you are part of a very small minority. You...listed two people you know of in a community of at least 50 who play at least semi-regularly who care about stats.

My point still stands. The queen of England herself could care about these stats, and my point would still be valid, because it would still be a small minority.

Stop being butthurt over something so stupidly small as this. It makes you look extremely petty.

i didnt say you did i said you KNOW IT DOES so why not just not do it when im there its really easy!

Why should he stop doing it just because you whine about it? I find it fun. You're the survivor, then out of nowhere, brushfire wins. I'm sure other people find it funny as well.

[atmuh]

Can you not read or something? I said you are part of a very small minority. You...listed two people you know of in a community of at least 50 who play at least semi-regularly who care about stats.

My point still stands. The queen of England herself could care about these stats, and my point would still be valid, because it would still be a small minority.

Stop being butthurt over something so stupidly small as this. It makes you look extremely petty.



Why should he stop doing it just because you whine about it? I find it fun. You're the survivor, then out of nowhere, brushfire wins. I'm sure other people find it funny as well.
you failed to even begin to address my original question

so what are these stats even for if theyre gonna be skewed by pregame mayhem and stupid slays
and its kinda the same rules as micspam on the server
if someone asks to stop playing something, the rule is to stop, out of politeness
why is this any different

[Bleck]

I would like to point out that atmuh is not the only one who cares about the slaying

I think it's pretty irritating

edit: also I think that the statement 'the admins got together and decided that the admins doing shit with admin commands wasn't annoying' is kind of dumb

[SporkNinjaDraken]

Honestly I don't see the issue with the slays...

I mean what does it matter?
"Oh noes I can't kill all those helpless losers now!"
it's not a problem except to those who really care about their stats I guess.
I don't even see how it's irritating since the round is already over and you were gonna be sent back to spawn anyhow.

[Bleck]

it's irritating because the humiliation is designed to be a reward for victorious players

nobody should be allowed to mess with that just because they can

also while I don't really care about stats I DO have to question why we have them if they are just going to be fucked up

[Brushfire]

I would like to point out that atmuh is not the only one who cares about the slaying

I think it's pretty irritating

edit: also I think that the statement 'the admins got together and decided that the admins doing shit with admin commands wasn't annoying' is kind of dumb

Your right, slaying after a round is not allowed. Upon Mapchange it is.

When the final scoreboard shows up.

That is what atmuh is complaining about this time.

[SporkNinjaDraken]

I can live without humiliation on either side so I'm pretty much peachy.

[Bleck]

Your right, slaying after a round is not allowed. Upon Mapchange it is.


that's somewhat more acceptable although it's still dumb if it's going to fuck with the stats

also you're*

[EdgeCrusher]

Can you guys seriously cry some more? My god. I haven't seen this much crybabying about games since I stopped going to the steam forums. I love how atmuh cries about how bad that is and does the same shit here.

[Bleck]

the best thing is when people cry about people crying

[atmuh]

and the thing also is that it goes down as a suicide
i try to keep those as low as i possibly can as you see i only have 9 so yeah each time you do that that goes up by 1 and really come on now

[Brushfire]

and the thing also is that it goes down as a suicide
i try to keep those as low as i possibly can as you see i only have 9 so yeah each time you do that that goes up by 1 and really come on now

Most people only get one suicide in life, but nine is impressive.

I salute you.

[DarkeSword]

i know pavlvs cares and on more than one occasion ds stated that he cares about long term k/d ratio tracking and one is an admin and the other hosts the server and ive played here a heck of a lot longer than you i think i know what im talking about here

Please don't bring me into this argument. I have said that I care about long-term stats because I get an accurate representation of how well I do overall. Getting slain by admin command at the end of a map is a drop in the bucket for me and doesn't affect my long term trends.

[FireSlash]

Solution: Don't join a team until pregame mayhem is over.

Humiliation is ignored by hlstats. If for whatever reason it isn't, the overall effect will probably balance itself out between wins/losses, and either way will have a minimal effect on your K:D.

[A Random Tiger]

Seeing those chat logs being posted again, I'm finally curious enough to ask.

What is that IRC thing?
Is it like a big chatroom?
Or more of an instant messanger?

And how do I get to it myself?
<__<

[The Mutericator]

The amount of bitching and moaning about serious business stats in a thread dedicated to a fun, "with friends" community server amazes me. Can we just IP ban atmuh from the OCR server itself and be done with this?

Seeing those chat logs being posted again, I'm finally curious enough to ask.

What is that IRC thing?
Is it like a big chatroom?
Or more of an instant messanger?

And how do I get to it myself?
<__<

Wikipedia is your friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irc

[Meeting_Gman]

i know pavlvs cares and on more than one occasion ds stated that he cares about long term k/d ratio tracking and one is an admin and the other hosts the server and ive played here a heck of a lot longer than you i think i know what im talking about here

To be honest, I care too. I'm not a good player or anything like that, but I won't lie and say I don't care about the HLstats. I check those stats (The new one heh) after pretty much every game.

I don't get involved in pre-game mayhem, because I have this stupid thing where I don't like to kill team mates. I can avoid that, however the admin player slaying is something that can't be avoided. I understand that people find it fun and I don't want to stop anyone form doing that. I think we just need to remember to keep our politeness with one another.

[A Random Tiger]

Figured out the IRC thing haha.

[atmuh]

Solution: Don't join a team until pregame mayhem is over.

Humiliation is ignored by hlstats. If for whatever reason it isn't, the overall effect will probably balance itself out between wins/losses, and either way will have a minimal effect on your K:D.
i dont join a team until its over
and even if that doesnt affect long term stats it still affects suicides as i said and yes it DOES it doesnt ignore humiliation

[D-Lux]

i dont join a team until its over
and even if that doesnt affect long term stats it still affects suicides as i said and yes it DOES it doesnt ignore humiliation

Does this mean that you don't push the cart (or defend it) near the ends of round 3 on payload maps, knowing that humiliation affects stats, because you'll be charged with a suicide when it explodes?

[Eulogic]

Can you guys seriously cry some more? My god. I haven't seen this much crybabying about games since I stopped going to the steam forums. I love how atmuh cries about how bad that is and does the same shit here.
does it make you sad when people ignore your blatant trolling?

Seeing those chat logs being posted again, I'm finally curious enough to ask.

What is that IRC thing?
Is it like a big chatroom?
Or more of an instant messanger?

And how do I get to it myself?
<__<
I recommend mIRC (http://www.mirc.com). All of the OCR channels are on EnterTheGame, the main one being #ocremix and the one for this game being #ocrtf2. The program is pretty user-friendly, but if you are having trouble, just type /server irc.enterthegame.com and then once it connects, type /join #ocrtf2 and, if you want, /join #ocremix. Oh yeah, and you can set your nickname under options or use /nick [Nickname You Want] to change it.

[Bleck]

And how do I get to it myself?

just hope that ETG doesn't ban you at random times for no reason

[A Random Tiger]

I recommend mIRC (http://www.mirc.com). All of the OCR channels are on EnterTheGame, the main one being #ocremix and the one for this game being #ocrtf2. The program is pretty user-friendly, but if you are having trouble, just type /server irc.enterthegame.com and then once it connects, type /join #ocrtf2 and, if you want, /join #ocremix. Oh yeah, and you can set your nickname under options or use /nick [Nickname You Want] to change it.

I loaded up the mIRC and it asked about registration or something, so I'm using ChatZilla on Firefox instead, but I've got it all working now, thanks

[EdgeCrusher]

does it make you sad when people ignore your blatant trolling?

I'm sorry I can't be as good of a troll as you, atmuh, and bleck. I'll sure try harder massa. But maybe if atmuh didn't come here whining about whatever little detail got his undies in a bunch that day, it wouldn't be needed. I mean, we all know how successful his server is, as pointed out by brushfire. OMGWTFBBQROFL.

[Bleck]

Observe how the poster called EdgeCrusher proceeds with the trend of constantly obfuscating the term 'internet troll'.

[Bleck]

I loaded up the mIRC and it asked about registration or something, so I'm using ChatZilla on Firefox instead

fffffffffffffff why does everybody do this

[A Random Tiger]

fffffffffffffff why does everybody do this

Because its easier? <__<

[Bleck]

when did we begin to measure simplicity in number of clicks jesus fucking christ

'uhhh this program takes half a second to open guess I'll just find a different program'

[A Random Tiger]

Not because of that, because ChatZilla doesn't require some kind of registration to use it.

[Bleck]

neither does mIRC, and I guess people would understand that if they actually knew how to read instead of just glancing at stuff for key words

[Brycepops]

Not because of that, because ChatZilla doesn't require some kind of registration to use it.

mIRC doesn't either. You're just too damn impatient ._.

[LONG_PTR]

hi guys
:3

OCR is a fun server

[Brycepops]

hi guys
:3

OCR is a fun server

Y helo thar :3

[A Random Tiger]

Too impatient?
How does that even apply here?

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/SavageLyon/wat.jpg

[Brycepops]

Too impatient?
How does that even apply here?

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/SavageLyon/wat.jpg

An annoying pop-up will remind you to register after 30 days, but you'll still be able to use it after a few seconds :U

[A Random Tiger]

Or I could just use one that won't require registering after a period of time.

Why am I getting flak for this?

[Bleck]

and if you hang around the #ocremix channel for any period of time F4T4L can quickly get you a version free of such annoyances because he is such a cool guy

[Powerlord]

and if you hang around the #ocremix channel for any period of time F4T4L can quickly get you a version free of such annoyances because he is such a cool guy

Or you could just pay to register it.

I figure that's only proper for a program that I've been using for 11 or more years.

[LONG_PTR]

[14:30:40] <LONG_PTR> guys
[14:30:46] <LONG_PTR> you know this whole problem about mirc and stuff
[14:30:53] <LONG_PTR> I'll give you an honest decent solution that will help everyone
[14:30:59] <LONG_PTR> alright?
[14:31:01] <miyako> noon miyako's request, it is quite simple to get irc working for the more lazy of people following this VERY SIMPLE EASY GUIDE TO IRC.

This probably won't work for vista users since telnet is disabled, anyway

start -> run -> cmd
type "telnet irc.enterthegame.org 6667" without the quotes and hit enter
then type in "NICK nickname_here" and hit enter
and then "USER Username Hostname Servername :RealName" and hit enter, the colon is required next to the real name.
Then go ahead and join the channel with "JOIN #ocrtf2" and there you go, you're in!


Just that simple :D

[Powerlord]

on miyako's request, it is quite simple to get irc working for the more lazy of people following this VERY SIMPLE EASY GUIDE TO IRC.

This probably won't work for vista users since telnet is disabled, anyway

start -> run -> cmd
type "telnet irc.enterthegame.org 6667" without the quotes and hit enter
then type in "NICK nickname_here" and hit enter
and then "USER Username Hostname Servername :RealName" and hit enter, the colon is required next to the real name.
Then go ahead and join the channel with "JOIN #ocrtf2" and there you go, you're in!


Just that simple :D

Ignoring the fact that you have to type PRIVMSG #ocrtf2 : before every message...

[Bleck]

Or you could just pay to register it.

I figure that's only proper for a program that I've been using for 11 or more years.

this post actually made me feel sort of bad not gonna lie

[LONG_PTR]

Y helo thar :3
hi brycepops :3 fancy seeing you here

[JadeAuto]

fffffffffffffff why does everybody do this
trillian 4.

/end hijack

Stats are nothing more than a measurement. You shouldn't let them rule your life/have your babies/own your soul.

My stats don't matter to me. What matters is having fun and winning now and then.

[FireSlash]

it still affects suicides as i said and yes it DOES it doesnt ignore humiliation

http://projects.interwavestudios.com/projects/hlstatsxce
File a ticket.

[Bleck]

itt admins ignore a problem because of who pointed it out

sure is responsible in here

[The Mutericator]

itt admins ignore a problem because of who pointed it out

sure is responsible in here

ITT admins ignore a minor issue because only two really, really whiny people remotely care.

[Bleck]

sure is ad hominem in here

'here is a problem'

'DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE UR A BUTT'

[The Mutericator]

What part of "only two people" do you not get? You are outvoted. Only a few people said they remotely cared, and only you and atmuh say it bothers them. In addition, the solution on your end is simple: quit bitching and go to a server where anyone cares.

[Bleck]

You are outvoted.

http://norway.usembassy.gov/uploads/BX/rW/BXrWxaTarSyT1MrTiib78g/Bush.jpeg

[Brushfire]

http://norway.usembassy.gov/uploads/BX/rW/BXrWxaTarSyT1MrTiib78g/Bush.jpeg

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHA!!!

That is a good one.

[Eulogic]

I'm sorry I can't be as good of a troll as you, atmuh, and bleck. I'll sure try harder massa. But maybe if atmuh didn't come here whining about whatever little detail got his undies in a bunch that day, it wouldn't be needed. I mean, we all know how successful his server is, as pointed out by brushfire. OMGWTFBBQROFL.

I'm a troll only in the sense that I don't typically take my posts terribly seriously. Your recent posts in this thread have had nothing to do with the topic and have existed only to insult another forum member (without even addressing his point). It does not matter how much or how little atmuh is respected in the community. You are directly and maliciously trolling.

I believe atmuh's complaint is a reasonable one that deserves serious discussion rather than dismissing it because "no one cares!" I can understand why someone would want better record-keeping (although I personally am not one of these people). If the majority does not care one way or the other, however, then why not implement it for the sake of those who do care?

I don't think the server admins are denying the request necessarily because of who made it (although that probably had quite an impact on the general community's response), but because of how it was presented. It is simply not an important issue to them. Given that the moderators and admins in the OCR community have always generally acted autonomously, you would be better off attempting to convince one directly and in private conversation of the benefits of your idea.

As has been pointed out, the tone in this thread has gotten quite belligerent. What's up, guys? Even if you can't be friends with everyone (like I am), discussion will go more smoothly try to treat your fellow posters with civility and respect (whether you think they deserve it or not).

[pavlvs]

Speaking of IRC, my Nexuiz (http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz) clan heard about the recent madness... :?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2337/ircarfbrt.png

[A Random Tiger]

Pav you've started a revolution.

[FireSlash]

A reinstall of hlstats is already on the todo list between powerlord and I due to backstab tracking being broken since the server move, but if that doesn't fix it then there's a legitimate flaw in the program. It is still claiming that it's ignoring frags during the bonus round though, so I doubt this is going to solve it.

If a minor statistical difference is really going to cause THIS MUCH drama, we can just remove hlstats and people can use their own programs to track their stats.

[Bleck]

we can just remove hlstats

I was under the impression that this was going to be done a while ago

[Kiyobi]

Pav you've started a revolution.
Oh god, to think I posted it.
I dunno whether to laugh or feel sorry. What's your reaction, Pav?

[atmuh]

Please don't bring me into this argument. I have said that I care about long-term stats because I get an accurate representation of how well I do overall. Getting slain by admin command at the end of a map is a drop in the bucket for me and doesn't affect my long term trends.
For slays, this may be true, but pregame mayhem for 40 seconds every map is definitely going to have an effect.
Does this mean that you don't push the cart (or defend it) near the ends of round 3 on payload maps, knowing that humiliation affects stats, because you'll be charged with a suicide when it explodes?
Absolutely not. I do, however, try to get away from the bomb as soon as the round is over which does actually work sometimes, and even if the bomb does kill you it almost always registers as a kill from someone rather than a suicide.
I'm sorry I can't be as good of a troll as you, atmuh, and bleck. I'll sure try harder massa. But maybe if atmuh didn't come here whining about whatever little detail got his undies in a bunch that day, it wouldn't be needed. I mean, we all know how successful his server is, as pointed out by brushfire. OMGWTFBBQROFL.
As Eulogic said, you contribute absolutely nothing to whatever discussion is going on and only ever focus on trying to get someone mad (which thankfully you are incredibly bad at). My server was incredibly successful though, and the only reason I stopped caring about it was because I really didn't like owning a server much anymore.
http://projects.interwavestudios.com/projects/hlstatsxce
File a ticket.
Why would I file a ticket? This is an incredibly simple problem to solve in that all that needs to happen is that an admin should be using his authority for the one reason he has it, which is very simply to enforce the rules of the server. It's not like there's even any time for comical reactions to it, because it's always at the end of the map and right after he does it the map switches. Why not just simply let the map end like it's supposed to? It's really silly that one side of this is "I'M GOING TO ABUSE MY ADMIN POWERS EVEN IF IT UPSETS YOU" and all I'm asking is to show a little consideration for those that are bothered by it, and already 4 people in this thread have said that they are.


And Bleck, there really isn't any reason to pester Tiger about what IRC client he uses. Sure mIRC is much better than something like Chatzilla, but if he doesn't wanna deal with the nag screen (which will stay there forever not just 30 days) or register and would rather use some other client that's perfectly fine.

[Bleck]

it's not so much that I care about his IRC client as much as I get really irritated when people assume things about things without taking two seconds to check

[A Random Tiger]

it's not so much that I care about his IRC client as much as I get really irritated when people assume things about things without taking two seconds to check

What was I assuming?

[EdgeCrusher]

If a minor statistical difference is really going to cause THIS MUCH drama, we can just remove hlstats and people can use their own programs to track their stats.

I'd say go for it, that way the crybaby minority can STFU.

[A Random Tiger]

rofl. TF2 Christmas cards http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_TF2-HolidayCards.html

[The Mutericator]

^ I agree with EdgeCrusher.

[EdgeCrusher]

rofl. TF2 Christmas cards http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_TF2-HolidayCards.html

I don't even send out cards to anyone and I want those.

[Clefairy]

Oh, what the hell.

For slays, this may be true, but pregame mayhem for 40 seconds every map is definitely going to have an effect.

You've already stated you don't participate in pregame for this reason. I don't see what the problem is.

My server was incredibly successful though, and the only reason I stopped caring about it was because I really didn't like owning a server much anymore.

You sure seem to like having a controlling interest in one. Which brings us to the current discussion.

Why would I file a ticket?

Because a bug is a bug, and it should be fixed regardless.

an admin should be using his authority for the one reason he has it, which is very simply to enforce the rules of the server.

In your opinion. Slay and the other non-essential admin commands were put into Sourcemod for a reason; it just happens to be a reason that doesn't line up with what you believe is right and proper.

all I'm asking is to show a little consideration for those that are bothered by it, and already 4 people in this thread have said that they are.

There's an important difference between "This bothers me" and "This bothers me and I'd like you to stop". Bring the other people onside, then you'll have a case.

Frankly, I'm kind of mystified at the fact you still want to play with us. You don't get along with a lot of people in the community, and you seem to prefer the experience offered by basically every other server on the Internet. I'd genuinely like to know what keeps you coming back.

[Bleck]

What was I assuming?

that you have to pay for it (you don't)

I believe we explained this

[ParanoidDrone]

rofl. Tf2 christmas cards http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_tf2-holidaycards.html
Want. So much want.

Interesting. There seems to be a filter on allcaps.

[Powerlord]

that you have to pay for it (you don't)

I believe we explained this

While it was an assumption, he drew on previous experience with shareware software; that once the evaluation time is up it stops working.

mIRC is the exception to the rule in this case.

[atmuh]

You've already stated you don't participate in pregame for this reason. I don't see what the problem is.
i said it for ds because he cares about his stats too and afaik he participates too
There's an important difference between "This bothers me" and "This bothers me and I'd like you to stop". Bring the other people onside, then you'll have a case.
what
im pretty sure gman and pav and me and bleck any anyone else are that agrees are pretty much saying hey please stop when we say hey that bothers me
itd be pretty dumb to be saying hey this pisses me off but go ahead and do it anyway
Frankly, I'm kind of mystified at the fact you still want to play with us. You don't get along with a lot of people in the community, and you seem to prefer the experience offered by basically every other server on the Internet. I'd genuinely like to know what keeps you coming back.
just because i dont like some of the people (like you) doesnt mean i hate everyone
in terms of pubs i enjoy playing on stock maps on 24 slot servers where the playerbase has half a clue as to how to play the game (at least sometimes) and ocr fits this and i get decent ping and know the players on it
thats pretty much all im looking for

[DarkeSword]

i said it for ds because he cares about his stats too and afaik he participates too

The effect that pregame mayhem has on stats is negligible in the longrun. When you have 14000 kills and 15000 deaths, a couple of pregame mayhem kills are not going to affect overall trends.

[atmuh]

The effect that pregame mayhem has on stats is negligible in the longrun. When you have 14000 kills and 15000 deaths, a couple of pregame mayhem kills are not going to affect overall trends.
if you do it periodically, probably not
there are some people that get 10-20 kills on it every map
that will absolutely have an effect

[Native Jovian]

so don't join a team until mayhem is over.

Wasn't that suggested like four pages back?

[Eulogic]

there are some people that get 10-20 kills on it every map
i do this
dominate every spy

anyway just judging from tonight you guys seem to just sit around making fun of people like atmuh in-game and that is not very nice and you guys should not be brewing hatred like this

and edgecrusher is just a mean, mean person and i don't know why

be nice to people even if you don't agree with them and even if you do not know them

[A Random Tiger]

anyway just judging from tonight you guys seem to just sit around making fun of people like atmuh in-game and that is not very nice and you guys should not be brewing hatred like this


You may be right, but it isn't brewing hatred.
Just for lulz really.

atmuh is always displeased with SOMETHING on the server so after a while its pretty much a joke.
I don't care if its wrong to think like that, but really, it gets to a point where you just have to laugh at it.

[ParanoidDrone]

A reinstall of hlstats is already on the todo list between powerlord and I due to backstab tracking being broken since the server move, but if that doesn't fix it then there's a legitimate flaw in the program. It is still claiming that it's ignoring frags during the bonus round though, so I doubt this is going to solve it.
I must have missed this. <3

On a totally unrelated note, I remember some interest a few pages back about playing on some of the contest entries from the latest TF2maps.net contest. I haven't had a chance to play on any of them, but I think it'd be worth seeing how some of them pan out. (HAARP, Vector, and Premuda in particular, but that's me.)

Fancy page with download link. (http://plrctf.tf2maps.net/)
Video with flybys of each level. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7nViCK9yLU&feature=player_embedded)

[Eulogic]

I don't care if its wrong to think like that, but really, it gets to a point where you just have to laugh at it.
yes but laugh friendly not laugh malicious we are all friends

except for edge

we are more like brothers

[miyako]

hi guys
:3

OCR is a fun server
hi :3 yes it is

[Brycepops]

hi :3 yes it is

ohay 2 u 2 :3

[atmuh]

You may be right, but it isn't brewing hatred.
Just for lulz really.

atmuh is always displeased with SOMETHING on the server so after a while its pretty much a joke.
I don't care if its wrong to think like that, but really, it gets to a point where you just have to laugh at it.
i think progressively and i really cant help myself
no matter what i do with everything my mind constantly makes me think how it can be improved to the point of it driving me nuts
its great because when im working on something i go to great lengths to make it better all the but it sucks because i cant be satisfied with anything ever
so sorry but its just the way i am

[superjoe30]

I love TF2

[A Random Tiger]

yes but laugh friendly not laugh malicious we are all friends


I don't think we were being malicious.
Though it wasn't really a friendly thing either.
Just, "OH GOD MY SUICIDE COUNT"

It's one of the most trivial complaints I've seen in here, so of course I'm going to goof around about it.


i think progressively and i really cant help myself
no matter what i do with everything my mind constantly makes me think how it can be improved to the point of it driving me nuts
its great because when im working on something i go to great lengths to make it better all the but it sucks because i cant be satisfied with anything ever
so sorry but its just the way i am


Some of the things you suggest aren't bad.
But some of them, such as these past stats one, I think just count as nitpicking rather than seeking improvement.

[atmuh]

It's one of the most trivial complaints I've seen in here, so of course I'm going to goof around about it.
maybe to you

[LONG_PTR]

I love TF2
hey superjoe <3

[ParanoidDrone]

Is there a particular reason 2Fort and Hydro are right next to each other in the rotation? They're more or less universally hated and it seems like a surefire way to empty the server. (It actually did empty about halfway through Hydro, although I'm not sure it was because of the map or because everyone was fed up with teamstacking.)

In other news, Borax updated to rc_2 (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5906).

[Powerlord]

Is there a particular reason 2Fort and Hydro are right next to each other in the rotation? They're more or less universally hated and it seems like a surefire way to empty the server. (It actually did empty about halfway through Hydro, although I'm not sure it was because of the map or because everyone was fed up with teamstacking.)

That would be the server bugging and using the map list instead of the map cycle.

tc_hydro's not actually on the map cycle at all

cp_dustbowl is supposed to follow ctf_2fort.

Given that the server has no idea what the maplist is, it must be Sourcemod causing the problem. I'm going to look into reinstalling Sourcemod within the next few days. In the meantime, I'm going to restart the server.

Edit: I made a minor configuration change that may fix the problem, or at least mitigate it, but I can't test it directly. Just keep an eye out for maps appearing out of order.

[Garian]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/tf2screencaps/cp_well0030.png

5 of the top 6 players on blue were nqa guys (brock samson, joe cool, and mirage are using alternate names, and gaunt keeps using strange misspellings of his). it really kept on like this until i quit a little later on to play borderlands with jimmy and frogg... maybe we should figure out something to do about flagrant disregard for the no teamstacking rule? :? :? :?

[Powerlord]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/tf2screencaps/cp_well0030.png

5 of the top 6 players on blue were nqa guys (brock samson, joe cool, and mirage are using alternate names, and gaunt keeps using strange misspellings of his). it really kept on like this until i quit a little later on to play borderlands with jimmy and frogg... maybe we should figure out something to do about flagrant disregard for the no teamstacking rule? :? :? :?

I was wondering as I played tonight if some of them were nQa guys but without tags in their names.

I too quit after a few maps. (Joined just before cp_well ended, ctf_2fort (cut short by rtv), cp_badlands, cp_dustbowl, quit during pl_goldrush).

Not only was team stacking a problem in about every map here but cp_badlands, but Brock Samson had to be warned on multiple occasions not to sticky camp spawn doors.

[EdgeCrusher]

I noticed a couple of times today that one of those nqa guys specced to get on the same team as other nqa players as well. That or he just happen to join the team right when someone else left it.

[Lyrai]

nqa constantly stacking is more or less why I've stopped playing OCRTF2 now. Wasn't there talk of just some kind of blanket ban on them?

[Powerlord]

nqa constantly stacking is more or less why I've stopped playing OCRTF2 now. Wasn't there talk of just some kind of blanket ban on them?

That was my suggestion last time.

I think it's time to discuss this again, seeing as how they're still up to the same thing!

[Garian]

i am hesitant to support a blanket ban as the nqa guys aren't all necessarily/deliberately stacking, but i will be giving warnings and kicks/tempbans from here on until we come to a consensus on how to handle the issue with them.

edit:
i will probably permanently ban any nqa guy that appears with a DIFFERENT name than i'm already familiar with, under the assumption that the name change is to hide his identity. So catch yourself before you wreck yourself.

[Powerlord]

i am hesitant to support a blanket ban as the nqa guys aren't all necessarily/deliberately stacking, but i will be giving warnings and kicks/tempbans from here on until we come to a consensus on how to handle the issue with them.

edit:
i will probably permanently ban any nqa guy that appears with a DIFFERENT name than i'm already familiar with, under the assumption that the name change is to hide his identity. So catch yourself before you wreck yourself.

I'm going to note yesterday, that I didn't join early in the day because I saw 5 guys on with nQa in their name.

I can only assume 4 of them changed their names prior to when I was on.

[A Random Tiger]

The problem with teamstacking is that there are a lot more NQA guys playing recently.
I've played when there were at least 5 of them on at one time, 4 with tags, 1 without, and possibly more without tags.

With so many playing these days, it's not possible to have them separate from playing with a few clan members.

[Powerlord]

With so many playing these days, it's not possible to have them separate from playing with a few clan members.

...and the chance of all of them ending up on the same team randomly is also considerably less.

To be exact, it's the same probability as getting x coin tosses in a row: 1/(2^x) where 2 is the number of teams and x is the number of players.

To spell it out more explicitly:
2: 1/4 (25%)
3: 1/8 (12.5%)
4: 1/16 (6.25%)
5: 1/32 (3.125%)
6: 1/64 (1.5625%)

[A Random Tiger]

Lawl, that's true.

[atmuh]

blanket banning all nqa people is a bad idea because there are people that ive enjoyed playing with on other pubs that are in nqa that dont have a problem playing with whoever, but banning all nqa people that play on the ocr server is probably a good idea
theyve sticky camped, stacked, and whatever else i dont understand why you people dont just ban them some of you are pretty quick to hand out bans to other people so why not these guys

but yeah tf2 has been pissing me off incredibly lately because no matter what server i play on i always end up autoing to a team getting rolled, not that i have a problem getting rolled (id prefer that to rolling any day), but more that i enjoy balanced maps and there never are any anymore
although none will ever be as bad as this (http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2771/cpfastlane0001.jpg)


and those probability calculations are kinda off because when you hit auto there could be only 1 possible outcome

[A Random Tiger]

On a lighter note, has anyone seen the No Mercy map?
It's a TF2 remake of the finale area of the L4D campaign

[ParanoidDrone]

although none will ever be as bad as this (http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2771/cpfastlane0001.jpg)
Oh jeez. :shock:

Were the NQA guys from last night the ones with Gun in their name by any chance?

[A Random Tiger]

Oh jeez. :shock:

Were the NQA guys from last night the ones with Gun in their name by any chance?

Yeah.
You can tell by their avatar sometimes.
Though that situation of name changing wasn't to hide identities or anything.

The only non-tagged NQA guy I know of is Brock Samson
And I'm willing to bet GUN! is one too based on the name changes.

[Scufo]

Just ban them.

They've already been warned a billion times, and they're still doing it. And they're changing their names to do it. It's pretty clear they've got no intention to respect the server rules.

The community shouldn't have to put up with this crap. Not from a bunch of outsiders.

[atmuh]

On a lighter note, has anyone seen the No Mercy map?
It's a TF2 remake of the finale area of the L4D campaign
ive played it its bad but comical

[ParanoidDrone]

Yeah.
You can tell by their avatar sometimes.
Though that situation of name changing wasn't to hide identities or anything.

The only non-tagged NQA guy I know of is Brock Samson
And I'm willing to bet GUN! is one too based on the name changes.
That would explain a lot, actually. Like why these people whose names I had never seen in my life were somehow owning my ass. <_<

Does anyone think maybe informing some higher-up at nQa or something would have any results?

[atmuh]

That would explain a lot, actually. Like why these people whose names I had never seen in my life were somehow owning my ass. <_<

Does anyone think maybe informing some higher-up at nQa or something would have any results?
first off they arent that good (well a couple are) they are probably just coordinating in vent and in tf2 coordination will win just about every time and no nqa is a pubstar clan this is what they do
seriously why you people havent banned them yet confuses the crap out of me NO ONE WILL MISS THEM

[A Random Tiger]

That would explain a lot, actually. Like why these people whose names I had never seen in my life were somehow owning my ass. <_<

Does anyone think maybe informing some higher-up at nQa or something would have any results?

No, its on our server so if we want something done about it we need to do it.

[Powerlord]

That would explain a lot, actually. Like why these people whose names I had never seen in my life were somehow owning my ass. <_<

Does anyone think maybe informing some higher-up at nQa or something would have any results?

The leaders of nQa are part of the group that are doing this.

[ParanoidDrone]

Oh.

*scratches idea off list*

[atmuh]

seriously if i was one of the nqa guys id be sitting here reading this thread laughing at how you people have done NOTHING to them at all

[A Random Tiger]

seriously if i was one of the nqa guys id be sitting here reading this thread laughing at how you people have done NOTHING to them at all

I can't speak for everyone, but my reluctance to do something about it would come from the fact that they aren't bad people really.
They aren't asses to other people on the server, they just cluster themselves together when they play.
I mean maybe one or two of them has done something in the past, but I haven't had that kind of problem with them from what I can remember.

[atmuh]

I can't speak for everyone, but my reluctance to do something about it would come from the fact that they aren't bad people really.
They aren't asses to other people on the server, they just cluster themselves together when they play.
I mean maybe one or two of them has done something in the past, but I haven't had that kind of problem with them from what I can remember.
oh please some of them are bigger jerks than i am

[D-Lux]

oh please some of them are bigger jerks than i am

Truth. And I won't miss them if they're banned.

[A Random Tiger]

oh please some of them are bigger jerks than i am

Well I don't really think you're a jerk either so that doesn't say much rofl

[Dhsu]

Why don't we just go back to the earlier resolution of banning them individually when it happens?

[atmuh]

Why don't we just go back to the earlier resolution of banning them individually when it happens?
because no one ever does
and theyve been warned a lot like A LOT

[Rambo]

If anyone bans -nQa- Howl I'll be pretty pissed off. He's very polite and sociable. I've seen him teamswitch on occasion, in an effort to balance teams. Even when none of his teammates are in the game, I've seen him switch for the sake of making teams fair.

He's not the only one, but he's the only one I remember. I can't get behind a blanket ban.

[miyako]

lol ban them all? really? you guys are better than that

[superjoe30]

are you guys complaining about team stacking? accept it as a challenge and try to beat them! it's almost like a game!

[Powerlord]

are you guys complaining about team stacking? accept it as a challenge and try to beat them! it's almost like a game!

This is Team Fortress. You could be the best player in the world, but if the rest of your team sucks, or in some cases is even uncoordinated while the other team isn't, you're still going to lose.

Since we run public servers, teams are going to be moderately uncoordinated no matter what you do.

[chivesontheweb]

I apologize for the long post, but there was a lot to be said about this.

Clan-stacking is a difficult issue, but to be honest it really just falls into another, larger issue; balancing teams.I think we need to work out a more streamlined system for balancing teams out, more systematic.

The only fair way to go about clan-stacking is to treat it the same way as normal team imbalance.And that doesn't always mean teamscramble, it could be as simple as an admin asking a really good player to move to the other team. Isn't there a way an admin can message a player without everyone seeing it? Or they could do it over mic too, I suppose. I think asking nicely and letting them switch on their own is the right way to go about this, at least in most situations.

If one team is completely obliterating the other consistently, teams may need balancing. However, just because one team rolls another team in a single round, especially the first round of a map where players are often still arriving, does not always mean that teams need balancing. Teams aren't always supposed to be perfectly balanced. The key is that you don't want them to be terribly imbalanced, and I feel this should be at the discretion of our server admins/mods/whatever we call them.

Let's look at the usual problem solver, team scrambling. Team scrambles interrupt gameplay and don't always work. Personally, I loathe playing through part of setup only to see "team scramble restarting game in 5 seconds" or whatever it says. Team scrambles are most valuable when admins aren't present or when teams don't have any major power players and just need to be shook up via player-initiated votescrambles (which never succeed but that's another thing entirelly).

A much better alternative is having admins ask a player to consider switching to the other team to help balance. This requires admins to decide which players are power players and to adjust the teams as neccesary. It also gives the player in question the benefit of the doubt that they want to help us achieve team balance. If the players consistently show that their intentions are otherwise, bigger tools probably need to be pulled out. Forcing them to switch teams must be an available power to admins, and if the player is being uncooperative it should be used. I would want to make sure that we've already made it clear that we think they should switch before doing so, but if they are causing a problem they should be switched.

Clan-stackers should be treated the same as any team-imbalancing players. But if members of a clan who are capable of causing rolls clanstack on a single team purposely and they do so repeatedly after being told not to, is not okay. At that point appropriate action should be taken. I think this should get my point across...

[The Mutericator]

Blanket-ban all of them, then unban any that the admins or a player on this topic feels is a cool guy, like Rambo and Howl. That's my suggestion.

[Bleck]

step one: make it so a forced scramble occurs after a team has played both red and blue/ after two rounds

step two: disable team switching

problem solved

[Brushfire]

Who are the nQa?

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/nqaleague

Problem Solved

[A Random Tiger]

Who are the nQa?

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/nqaleague

Problem Solved

Wow, I thought there were just a few from a big clan coming here.
I didn't realize it was pretty much the entire clan haha

[atmuh]

are you guys complaining about team stacking? accept it as a challenge and try to beat them! it's almost like a game!
its been against the rules since forever
i could start saying why sticky camping shouldnt be against the rules but thats not the point that point is that it IS
Clan-stackers should be treated the same as any team-imbalancing players. But if members of a clan who are capable of causing rolls clanstack on a single team purposely and they do so repeatedly after being told not to, is not okay. At that point appropriate action should be taken. I think this should get my point across...
theyve been doing this forever
and its not even that theyre all really good its just that they actually WORK TOGETHER which is next to impossible on an alltalk server unless youre in vent too
Blanket-ban all of them, then unban any that the admins or a player on this topic feels is a cool guy, like Rambo and Howl. That's my suggestion.
howl is ok
step one: make it so a forced scramble occurs after a team has played both red and blue/ after two rounds

step two: disable team switching

problem solved
forcing scrambles is pretty dumb unless its obvious rolling
forcing autojoin is something that i support though (you can)
Who are the nQa?

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/nqaleague

Problem Solved
uhhhh we knew that
btw their pubstar group is http://steamcommunity.com/groups/noquestionsasked
Wow, I thought there were just a few from a big clan coming here.
I didn't realize it was pretty much the entire clan haha
i said it already
theyre just a clan full of pubstars, like look how long ago their last announcement was (lol i played for the mathackers way back then a little)
they have no interest in being a part of any community they just like to play with each other and that is it it just so happens that they get banned from a decent amount of servers because guess what PEOPLE DONT LIKE THAT and theyve been coming to ocr because as has been pointed out many MANY times in this thread the admins here do absolutely nothing about it for some reason

[Rambo]

A note to admins: If you clanmates [PH]_Freaktion or [PH]_Admiral ackbar return to the server, and are in the least bit disrespectful or obscene, don't bother warning them. I was too lenient with only kicks as it was tonight. They've had fair warning.

[atmuh]

were they sayin stuff on the mic i thought that one guy sayin ITS A TRAP with some text bind when he killed people was pretty annoying

[Rambo]

were they sayin stuff on the mic i thought that one guy sayin ITS A TRAP with some text bind when he killed people was pretty annoying

They were using derogatory terms, and excessive swearing. They were also disrespectful towards other players. There were a few racist remarks thrown in as well. Not malicious, but unacceptable no less.

[Brushfire]

BAN THEM!! BAN THEM ALL!!

I hate to say it, but I do agree with atmuh on this forced autojoin idea.

Maybe we should give it a try and see how folks respond to it.

[atmuh]

forcing autojoin is good but if you use it as an alternative to banning people that are constantly stacking that will probably still do it just after they get jumbled to whatever team that is pretty stupid

[Rambo]

Bonzai pointed out that I never made a Scrim post this week.... hope everyone can still make it without having been reminded sooner...
I'm tired and lazy, so I'm just going to copypasta:

OCR Scrims (IP 208.94.245.226:27060; password ocrscrim)

This monday Nov. 16th we'll be having scrims between 7-11PM EST. Any and every community member is welcome. If you know a regular who doesn't frequently browse these forums, fell free to let them know.
Scrims are organized, but not "serious" games. We'll be trying to win, but the main goal will still be having fun. Please be prepared to have a positive attitude. It's a community event. :razz:

"Signup"
I'll take names of people, just so we get a good idea of how many are coming out. If you're going to play, let us know what time you'll be dropping by. If you want to watch but not play, that's okay too. Just put [SPEC] in your display name. People who didn't get a chance to play last week will get first dibs on the first game this week.
The rest of this post is just for people interesting in how the scrims will work.

Rules
This is an intro to competitive play.
Scrims will be 6v6 and take place on 5CP maps or GPit. Last week we played to 5 wins, but if we get more people, we can make the number of wins lower, to accommodate substitute players or full substitute teams.
Class limits at any given time are: Scout(2) Soldier(2) Pyro(2) Heavy(2) Engie(2) Sniper(2) Spy(2) Medic(1) Demo(1)

You don't NEED to play one of the "standard" competitive classes. We had plenty of spies, pyros, heavies, and a few engies last week and it still went great. Talk to your teammates and play what your team needs, or what you're good at.


Random crits and random damage will be off.



No Sandman

Teams
Players who are participating in the current scrim will be determined before teams are picked. From those players 2 voluntary captains will start picking. (Captains can duel for first pick in a ditto match. For God's sake, not as spies.)
Teams will probably be balanced, but if they're agreed to be imbalanced, there's no harm is switching them up a bit. After one team wins 5(maybe less) times, we can switch up the idle players.

Current list of attendees:

Rambo
Bonzai
!!
Clefairy
Hish
Fireslash (tentative)
Paranoid (tentative?)
Vivi (7-8:00)
Dhsu (9:00)
superjoe (8:20)

(definitely more but still waiting for confirmations)

[Brushfire]

I have totally forgotten about this until tonight/this morning.

I have ordered the flags for all to recieve. They will be shipped on December 15th. I am ordering 15, 11 for those guys, 3 for stragglers who forgot aboot this, and one as a prize at Magfest.

List of guys who are getting a flag:

Brushfire
Draken Korin
Vimk
Rambo
Edgecrusher
Halt
Sensai
Fireslash
Vivi22
Dyne
The Mutericator


For those who forgot what it will look like:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4509/forumcoa.png

[Secret Agent Man]

I will probably make it for the scrim tonight, homework-depending.

[Kiyobi]

I might not show up this time. I've had quite a bit of TF2 for the month.
(i also gotta prepare for (my) birthday shenanigans this thursday)

BTW, in case anyone cared, I didn't get that job. =<

[Brushfire]

BTW, in case anyone cared, I didn't get that job. =<

D00d, that sucks man, better luck next time.

[Vivi22]

I'll be good for the srim tonight from 7-8 again. Hopefully we can get things organized a little faster this time.

Also glad to hear the flags are ordered. Any word on the final price and when you want the money?

[ParanoidDrone]

Players who are participating in the current scrim will be determined before teams are picked. From those players 2 voluntary captains will start picking. (Captains can duel for first pick in a ditto match. For God's sake, not as Cloak & Dagger Spies.)
Fixed that for you. <_<

I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it tonight. I'm responsible for piecing together a group project that's due tomorrow. (Although I seem to have an uncanny knack for making time for TF2 anyway, but that's another matter.)

EDIT: On an unrelated note, Server #2's been pretty empty apart from these weekly scrims. Do people just prefer the stock maps?

[Dhsu]

Personally I just never bothered to find the IP, although that will probably change tonight as I plan on participating in the scrim. Put me down for Medic at 8pm Central and prepare for some doctor-assisted homicide, dummkopfs!

[superjoe30]

Medic, Engineer, or Pyro. Whichever the team needs more (probably Medic).
I'll either be there at 8:30 EST till finish or right from the start, depending on whether I decide to ditch my graphics class or not.

[A Random Tiger]

Scrims just aren't for me, so I won't be playing again.
I might spec some tonight though.

[superjoe30]

There's a class in the lab that I use to play in until 8:20 EST, so that's when I'll join.

I'll join at 8:20 EST, Rambo.

[The Mutericator]

Now that I figured out what was causing my absolutely shitty ping (automatic updates for W7 64x put a 32x driver on the wireless card, ignoring the 64x driver I manually installed before, a quick revert fixed it), I can finally play again! I don't have time to scrim, but I'll definitely be dropping in more often from now on.

[atmuh]

EDIT: On an unrelated note, Server #2's been pretty empty apart from these weekly scrims. Do people just prefer the stock maps?
its because one server is enough
personally id like to see the main server go back to what it used to be before we had 2 sorta
as in a few (like 5 at most) good customs on the nominate list and maybe one on the rotation
and why is there no arena on the nominate list

[Rambo]

Scrim post updated. They start in 3.5 hours!
How much do we owe you for the flags Brush??? Groooovy

[Dhsu]

its because one server is enough
personally id like to see the main server go back to what it used to be before we had 2 sorta
as in a few (like 5 at most) good customs on the nominate list and maybe one on the rotation
and why is there no arena on the nominate list
I thought you hated arena.

[superjoe30]

I'm pro- arena on nominate list. Arena is great when it gets late and the server trickles down to < 6 people.

[Vivi22]

I understand this is fairly late notice as the scrims start in about two hours, but I won't be able to make it tonight after all. I do plan on being there next week though.

[Brushfire]

I got a final price for the flags.

THEY WILL BE A BITCHIN LOW PRICE OF 20 BUX!

[Rambo]

I understand this is fairly late notice as the scrims start in about two hours, but I won't be able to make it tonight after all. I do plan on being there next week though.

it's all good. SCRIMS START IN 1 HOUR.

[EdgeCrusher]

I got a final price for the flags.

THEY WILL BE A BITCHIN LOW PRICE OF 20 BUX!

BITCHIN!!!

When do you need the monies?

[ParanoidDrone]

You may as well scratch me off the list for tonight. (lol it starts in 15 minutes anyway) I have that project to do, then staying up for L4D2 going live. I may be on later, but it definitely won't be for the scrims.

[Dhsu]

So I'm doing dinner with friends at 7:00pm Central (an hour from now), which should have me home by 8:00pm, but I don't know if they want to do something afterwards or not.

Moral of the story is if I'm late, don't wait up. :P

[Powerlord]

and why is there no arena on the nominate list

I'm not sure where the current maplist came from. I thought it was the stock maplist.txt... actually, it may be. I forgot that Valve has a separate arena maplist.

I'm going to merge arena_mapcycle.txt into it, which should have all the stock arena maps.

Also, these maps are in the order they were added to the game... time to alphabetize them really quick!

[Brushfire]

The flag folks lied to me. Looks like they are gonna end up costing 39 a piece cause Draken forgot the 8 color limit. Not to worry though.

[Secret Agent Man]

Fun scrims tonight guys. CTF actually worked out somewhat. It's too bad most of the matches end up pretty one-sided, although we still manage to have fun, though.

[atmuh]

Fun scrims tonight guys. CTF actually worked out somewhat. It's too bad most of the matches end up pretty one-sided, although we still manage to have fun, though.
competitive ctf is always excellent
I thought you hated arena.
no ive always liked arena (but not more than 8v8 )
ive always hated koth

[superjoe30]

Great scrim guys!

[Rambo]

Fun scrims tonight guys. CTF actually worked out somewhat. It's too bad most of the matches end up pretty one-sided, although we still manage to have fun, though.

Yeah, the only match that sustained serious back and forth tonight was Yukon. It's unfortunate how bad the team balance was, given how smoothly it ran previously. In future scrims, (maybe not next week because everyone will be L4D2ing) I hope to have a system that bypasses the ridiculous amount of time it takes to determine captains and teams, and hopefully keep steamrolls from happening. Clefairy has given me some good ideas on that.

Aside from that, great games everyone! :3

[Dhsu]

no ive always liked arena (but not more than 8v8 )
ive always hated koth
I...I don't know even know if you're joking or not.

ok first off HI EVERYONE IVE MISSED YOU ALL SO DEARLY
now that thats outa the way a couple things

first off i absolutely hate (and im sure if you were on last night you know) arena
the maps are too small its a quick stupid free for all that doesnt feel like tf2 at all

well i hate arena and im pretty sure everyone knows that but although i complain a lot i never rtv it and ya i say definitely fix the rtv
i especially hate it since it comes up at EVERY MAP, id almost say disable it since there are enough reserved slot holders to call mapvotes when they are really needed

also let me back in #ocrtf2

arena just makes me so ANGRY

you know my opinion about arena maps and also i hate turbine so id REEEALLY be happy if you could make turbine NOT come right after an arena map

i think im the only one that still loves constant dustbowl

at least get the terrible crap like badlands mach4 fastlane royal (ok it looks cool but its pretty dumb for a ctf map) and EVERY ARENA MAP (because not only are they terrible but they are also pretty good at getting people to quit) off of there

anyways im sure many people agree with me when i say THANK YOU FOR REMOVING ARENA
also once again edgecrusher fails at making some kind of joke or smth because it wasnt a matter of removing arena because i personally hate it but when you have a gametype that makes some server admins quit i think you have a problem

[Brushfire]

Everything atmuh stands for has been unraveled thanks to the above post.

Dhsu, you wanna come on OCAD and talk about your amazing accomplishments?

[Dhsu]

Sure! Well, assuming OCAD doesn't stand for Organization for Castration And Defenestration of course.

[Brushfire]

We will pencil you in for Episode 7 or so.

[atmuh]

wow how many pages did you have to fish through to find those
i guess i used to hate arena a lot but they must have been months old because really ever since koth came out id take arena over koth any day

[Dhsu]

Yes I spent a whole 2min using Search Thread + Multi-Quote just for you Atma. <3

[atmuh]

well yeah i figured you found it fairly quickly i was more just interested in how old those posts were

[Dr. Tran!]

well yeah i figured you found it fairly quickly i was more just interested in how old those posts were

About two months old. Well the bottom one few are. the others are older.

[Bahamut]

You could just click the right bracket image next to your name in those quotes to go to the original posts.

[EdgeCrusher]

At this point it's easier to just go ahead and say that atmuh hates something anyway. Since he's mr. "anti-fun".

[SporkNinjaDraken]

The flag folks lied to me. Looks like they are gonna end up costing 39 a piece cause Draken forgot the 8 color limit. Not to worry though.

I protest this statement! you didn't even tell me about the 8 colour limit until I'd already finished the design when it was too late to really do anything about it XD

[Meeting_Gman]

What ever happened to the OCR patches? I'd gladly pay for one.

[EdgeCrusher]

I think they are all gone, unless Brush kept a few back.

[atmuh]

At this point it's easier to just go ahead and say that atmuh hates something anyway. Since he's mr. "anti-fun".
saying that someone "hates fun" is an incredibly stupid and ignorant thing to say
i just find something that you find fun not fun and vice versa
What ever happened to the OCR patches? I'd gladly pay for one.
you can have mine if you want

[Rambo]

Rambo for TF2 do you use a config to have better settings, or do you just have everything on low?

I don't use a config. I know I should... but I'm too lazy to tweak one to my own preferences, and I'm afraid I'd royally screw something up, or not know how to fix what I want.

I've got everything at minimal settings, and a dozen advanced launch options.

[DarkeSword]

Stop talking about Left 4 Dead 2 in the TF2 thread.

[chivesontheweb]

Hey it's not like there is another thread for L4D2 in these forums. We make due with what we've got.

[Meeting_Gman]

saying that someone "hates fun" is an incredibly stupid and ignorant thing to say
i just find something that you find fun not fun and vice versa

you can have mine if you want

I wouldn't want to take yours from you.

[A Random Tiger]

I'm tempted to try to play without the config again, but I'm not sure if it will be a catastrophic difference haha.

I miss seeing eyeballs, sprays, and corpses

[Dhsu]

I wouldn't want to take yours from you.
He didn't even want it in the first place, haha.

[Eulogic]

atmuh koth is much better than arena what's your prob dude?

[DarkeSword]

We have a new Social Group feature on OCR, and we're trying it out with gaming communities and album projects. We've got a TF2 group here where people can make multiple discussions based on different topics pertaining to TF2.

Join up, please.

http://ocremix.org/forums/group.php?groupid=1

[D-Lux]

We're Number 1! We're Number 1!

[atmuh]

im not sure how populated itd be if it was on the second server (being that many more regulars have the main server ip than the other one), but itd be neat if for a night we could play through all these (http://plrctf.tf2maps.net/) maps
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3130

[A Random Tiger]

im not sure how populated itd be if it was on the second server (being that many more regulars have the main server ip than the other one), but itd be neat if for a night we could play through all these (http://plrctf.tf2maps.net/) maps
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3130

I'm all for playing new maps.
I'd be up for a night of that.

[ParanoidDrone]

That was suggested ages ago, lol. (Not in so many words, but yeah.)

I'd be totally up for that. Been wanting to try HAARP and Vector for ages now.

[Powerlord]

We have a new Social Group feature on OCR, and we're trying it out with gaming communities and album projects. We've got a TF2 group here where people can make multiple discussions based on different topics pertaining to TF2.

Join up, please.

http://ocremix.org/forums/group.php?groupid=1

How can I put it nicely... no ability to reply directly to or quote posts sucks balls. No ability to subscribe to groups = sucks bigger balls.

A dedicated forum under community has neither of these problems.

im not sure how populated itd be if it was on the second server (being that many more regulars have the main server ip than the other one), but itd be neat if for a night we could play through all these (http://plrctf.tf2maps.net/) maps
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3130

Wait, don't you usually complain that we have too many customs on the server? And you want to add another 248MB of maps to the 938.3 MB we already have?

[Secret Agent Man]

Speaking of the 938.3 MB of maps, how about giving that a trim?

[Powerlord]

Speaking of the 938.3 MB of maps, how about giving that a trim?

None of them appear on server #1, so you shouldn't worry about it!

[atmuh]

Wait, don't you usually complain that we have too many customs on the server? And you want to add another 248MB of maps to the 938.3 MB we already have?
i complained that there were way too many ones that we never play, and are poorly made
which is the case
there WERE, though, a couple customs that were fun to play on occasion (i never cared for waste which we played a lot)
for example i enjoy a few rounds of frontier or freight here and there
i have no idea why you continue to host all those maps, as really if you look at the stats of even when we only had one server there are plenty that we havent played in a very, very long time
whenever i used to try customs on my server, if we didnt like it, i immediately deleted it
it was good because there were never a ton of maps to cycle through and the couple of customs that we enjoyed playing were the only ones on the server
thats why id say try all of these and then afterwards see if we really like a few of them and then keep those and delete the rest
None of them appear on server #1, so you shouldn't worry about it!
why not trim it anyways
i highly doubt server 2 will see any action outside of the occasional events so why not just trim the maplist down to a minimum (by minimum i mean like 5-10 maps) and put them on server 1 so we can play 95% stock maps but on occasion a decent custom to mix things up

[FireSlash]

tf2stats.net:27015 has all of those customs as the rotation right now, you can check them out there if you like. I'll switch it back to it's old setup (OTHER TEAM IS BABIES) once the contest has settled down a bit.

[atmuh]

tf2stats.net:27015 has all of those customs as the rotation right now, you can check them out there if you like. I'll switch it back to it's old setup (OTHER TEAM IS BABIES) once the contest has settled down a bit.
i seriously doubt youll get a full game on there since its neither the main or secondary ocr server
its just as easy to create a listen server on one of the maps and noclip around to see what it looks like
id (and im sure paranoid and others) would be much more interested to see how they play on a full server

[ParanoidDrone]

id (and im sure paranoid and others) would be much more interested to see how they play on a full server
Not all of them, mind you. Some, like Rollout, looked kind of...eh. The one's I'm really interested in are HAARP, Vector, Animus, Panic, Premuda, Nightfall, and Slate. (In approximately that order.)

[Powerlord]

I actually put the maps on the servers (including the mirror), but they're not yet on the maplist for either server.

Also, the old server isn't gone yet?

[atmuh]

Not all of them, mind you. Some, like Rollout, looked kind of...eh. The one's I'm really interested in are HAARP, Vector, Animus, Panic, Premuda, Nightfall, and Slate. (In approximately that order.)
im sure some are bad id just like to try them all once
i tried vector and it was actually really interesting and fun although there were a lot of chokepoints

[Brushfire]

I'm sure some are bad, I'd just like to try them all once.


Well then go on your own serv... Oh wait... You can't cause no one likes your server.

(<>..<>) The truth is out there Atmuh...

[DarkeSword]

Well then go on your own serv... Oh wait... You can't cause no one likes your server.

(<>..<>) The truth is out there Atmuh...

Brushfire, knock it off. Only warning.

[Bahamut]

So the old server is officially canceled. R. I. P.

[A Random Tiger]

Just saw this hat skin on FPSBanana
Replaces the Gibus with a Chicken Butt

http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/77265

I might start using this. .

[A Random Tiger]

I can't believe these people managed to stack an entire team, but uh. . it happened:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/SavageLyon/lolwut.png

Powerless to stop so many people like that without an actual admin considering they take up half the game, so votes don't do shit.
It was pretty obnoxious too, when I pointed out how ridiculous it was they stacked that much but weren't that coordinated, and then for about 30 minutes they would not stop saying TIGER and talking about Sagat. . .
They eventually left, but. . lol
That was definitely something else.

[Rambo]

I can't believe these people managed to stack an entire team, but uh. . it happened:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/SavageLyon/lolwut.png

Powerless to stop so many people like that without an actual admin considering they take up half the game, so votes don't do shit.
It was pretty obnoxious too, when I pointed out how ridiculous it was they stacked that much but weren't that coordinated, and then for about 30 minutes they would not stop saying TIGER and talking about Sagat. . .
They eventually left, but. . lol
That was definitely something else.

That's pretty amazing. It's unfortunate that they were obnoxious.
Looks like the skill on each team was good. And I like their theme.

[A Random Tiger]

Yeah they instantly got better after I said something XD
So I ate my words pretty fast.

[atmuh]

Yeah they instantly got better after I said something XD
So I ate my words pretty fast.
if people are stacking and you wanna mock them dont do it until after you roll them

[A Random Tiger]

if people are stacking and you wanna mock them dont do it until after you roll them

Yeah, you would think I'd know better rofl

[atmuh]

heavy is most mobile class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k35Pwc9u0Gg)

[Kiyobi]

This is Kiyobi's other half posting on his behalf because his jaw hit the floor and he's drooling all over the place from that video.

Oh, and he says "WHAT THE CRAP"

[Black Waltz]

heavy is most mobile class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k35pwc9u0gg)

my mind. It is blown.

[superjoe30]

I can't believe these people managed to stack an entire team, but uh. . it happened:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/SavageLyon/lolwut.png

Powerless to stop so many people like that without an actual admin considering they take up half the game, so votes don't do shit.
It was pretty obnoxious too, when I pointed out how ridiculous it was they stacked that much but weren't that coordinated, and then for about 30 minutes they would not stop saying TIGER and talking about Sagat. . .
They eventually left, but. . lol
That was definitely something else.

aww too bad I missed that - that looks like it was a show-down: OCR vs Looney Tunes. We could have turned all talk off, became coordinated, and kicked their asses

[Brushfire]

We could have turned all talk off, became coordinated, and kicked their asses

Nah, that would never work.

[A Random Tiger]

The thread about December 11 being OCR's 10th year anniversary made me think, we should turn the birthday mod on for that week o:

[Dhsu]

It's not a mod, it's a mode. :D

[superjoe30]

No scrim today :-(

[Rambo]

Yeah, we'll try for scrims again next week. I know quite a few people who won't be coming out tonight, and there's already a lack of interest in TF2 due to L4D2. I don't think we would have managed 12 players.

SCRIMS

Anyone interested in scrimming NEXT monday Nov. 30th between 7-11PM EST let me know in this thread, on steam friends, or in IRC. You don't need to be there at 7, or stay the whole duration of course. Just let me know approximates!

[atmuh]

birthday mode is annoying

[Brushfire]

fun mode is annoying

Last troll for serious.

Does anyone have a fix that actually works to get rid of the waffle fire. cause try as I might, it just keeps coming back.

[atmuh]

delete your maps folder

[Brushfire]

I have done that twice. To no avail.

But that does seem to help for about a week.

[atmuh]

delete it again