OCR TF2: New Server forthcoming - new server IPs and other stuff

[Sporknight]

On the TF2 blog when they were talking about the Heavy Pack, Valve was discussing a way they could make heavies less medic-dependent, without them being overpowered with a medic on their back. Sandvich - take cover, sit down, eat, regain health? And somehow make it a ranged damage alternative to the shotgun too? Maybe?

Still, how else will heavies eat 100 "sandviches"? We'll know tomorrow I suppose.

[Xerol Oplan]

On the TF2 blog when they were talking about the Heavy Pack, Valve was discussing a way they could make heavies less medic-dependent, without them being overpowered with a medic on their back. Sandvich - take cover, sit down, eat, regain health? And somehow make it a ranged damage alternative to the shotgun too? Maybe?

Still, how else will heavies eat 100 "sandviches"? We'll know tomorrow I suppose.

I was speculating earlier in the week that it would heal a certain amount, but leave you unable to shoot or move for a period of thme.

[zircon]

Perhaps it's a "heal to X%" like in some RPGs... for example, if you are under 50% health, it will heal you up to 50%, but it takes a little bit and you can't do anything while you're healing.

[Rambo]

Still, how else will heavies eat 100 "sandviches"? We'll know tomorrow I suppose.

I assumed it would be a replacement taunt. They made the ubersaw play music. They made the fireball fatal. I figure it'll be a taunt that will recover slight damage?

[OverCoat]

did you guys like my casio :3

[Bleck]

it made me smile

[DarkeSword]

Maybe it's a gun that makes people drop sandwiches when you kill them.

[Bleck]

Maybe it's a gun that makes people into sandwiches when you kill them.

fixed into the greatest idea

[SirChadlyOC]

The pictures for the new environment in "Lumberyard" make me crave Swiss Miss hot chocolate with the mini marshmallows.

I'm a whore to advertisements.

[Powerlord]

Maybe it's a gun that makes people into cake when you kill them.
fixed into the greatest idea

Fixed into an even better idea!

[Powerlord]

Meet the Sandvich (http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/sandvichVideo.htm)

I lolled.

(Sandvich description page (http://steamgames.com/tf2/heavy/sandvich.htm))

[Sensai]

I, too, lolled.

[Edit:]

OH! That's the last unlockable with a description. Cool.

/reads

[Zephyr]

Heavy update is out, they even upgraded the Kritzkrieg's charge rate to 25%.

[duckyboycantfly]

I will be back on Thursday. Going to warm up a couple times before I go out and enjoy my first night of college.

But I really can't wait to start sniping again. Especially with the inevitable heavy rush coming.

(P.S. The Remod server has gone public, for all those that are interested)

[Tensei]

Apparently our server isnt the only one that has problems with the arena maps (frequent crashing, all kinds of errors), so I hope Valve can quickly patch this up because they've made quite a mess of it as far as I can tell :/

On the bright side, there shouldn't be anything wrong with cp_steel and pl_badwater.

[Zephyr]

Ya there have been some major problems so far, but I'm sure it will be fxed soon, I'm happy with my sandvich for now.

[The Vagrance]

I'm probably going to start playing semi-frequently under the tag "reccej".

[WindStrike]

For the record, I'm not playing until mass heavies die down. I tried playing today, but when there were 6+ heavies on each team... ... it was kinda stupid for me. I couldn't even snipe them like crazy because there were that many shooting at me (and that many on my team getting in the way). At least on the other updates, I could plow everyone else down as a heavy.

In the meantime, while this lasts, I'm going to suggest a strategy for red team on gravel pit that my friend suggested to me a while back. Point C, 1 medic, 1 engi (for teleporters/dispenser over turret), 1-2 snipers, everyone else is a heavy and is standing on the point gunning everything that comes.

I'll probably be back on in a week or two (actually, school starts next week, so I'll hop on Sunday).

[Powerlord]

Not only does it crash on changes to arena maps, but a map vote from cp_dustbowl (the map the server defaults to when it crashes and restarts) always switches the map to cp_badwater no matter what actually wins the vote.

I haven't seen anything about this on their forums, but at a best guess, mani admin and Metamod Source need new gametypes.txt and gamedata.txt files respectively.

[Zephyr]

And apparently some people are having achievements taken away from them (most people start with 2 extras, but some people are getting more than that taken away.) Some people had the theory that they had earned the achievements before the patch was released, but I had konspicuous konsumption (eat 100 sandviches) and I obviously didn't even have a sandvich yet.

This is odd.

[Triad Orion]

Nah, it's really just more of Valve's shoddy patch-work showing again. Don't get me wrong, Valve's a good company and makes some great games, but damned if their TF2 patches actually work more than half the time. Any new content patches typically create a gaggle of new gremlins. Granted, usually only for a little while, but I'm surprised they rushed this out the door instead of fixing it first.

But what do I know?

Anyway, I'm interested in these Heavy updates. The sandvich sounds fun, but is sacrificing the shotgun really worth it? I know the shotgun's not a great weapon, but it really helps the Heavy in the rare situations that Sasha isn't appropriate. XD

Oh well. Experimentation will be the word of the day. Also? This will be a sublime time to play Medic. :)

[Bahamut]

So I just removed the arena maps from the rotation because I've heard of crashing problems.

[Effef]

There are a few problems. Arena is fun as shit though.

Badwater Basin needs to be in the rotation if it isn't already, its an excellent map.

[Sensai]

The Arena maps (specifically the Green one and Granary) are AMAZINGLY fun. Too bad they crash every 30 minutes or so.

@ Triad: I can safely vouch for the fact that the Sammich (which is MUCH cooler than Sanvich, or what have you) is a must have, overpowered weapon. It's won me the (arena) match a few times now, simply 'cause I could walk behind a corner and get back a ton of health. Seriously, it's broken.

And I don't think that there are too many heavies on the OCR server anymore. It died down pretty quickly, actually (and thank God).

@ Bahamut: When they stop a'sploding the server/computers, can we have at least the Green one on rotation?

[Bahamut]

Yep, the Arena mode is actually pretty fun, but sadly they're not fit for play until they release another patch.

[SirChadlyOC]

Arena mode was kind of fun, but man, it's a real downer not to play a round. Especially when there were 4+ people spectating and only 16 playing, it's frustrating. Although, I bet it's perfect for those times when I'm multi-tasking my TF2 with other chores/duties, such as eating, shaving, laundry, etc.

I noticed that in the 5 minutes I got to play Engineer on Arena Badlands (before my TF2 client crashed - AGAIN), it appears that the Engy buildings don't blow up when you die, like they do during Sudden Death. Though, I didn't get a chance to notice if my sentry was still working or if it was powered down.

PRO TIP: Don't type !radio in chat if you think your TF2 might crash.
This caused my Steam client to crash completely, not just TF2. The rest of my computer was unstable until I restarted. For everyone else though, I think just the OCR server crashed, not TF2. Confirm/deny?

Also, I approve of the improved Kritzkrieg. I rarely saw it used before, but hopefully this will fix that. I don't think it's enough to convince me to use it, but I don't mind seeing it.

Finally, OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM. NOM NOM NOM NOM. NOM.

[Effef]

it appears that the Engy buildings don't blow up when you die, like they do during Sudden Death. Though, I didn't get a chance to notice if my sentry was still working or if it was powered down.

They still work I believe, and that fact is really the only thing that makes engie viable enough for use in arena. The rounds are just too fast to get any meaningful things done.

[Powerlord]

Yep, the Arena mode is actually pretty fun, but sadly they're not fit for play until they release another patch.

It's funny that you say that since the server is only cycling through Arena maps now without someone forcing a different map (like cp_steel).

[EdgeCrusher]

I haven't got to play the offical steel yet :(

[Bleck]

official steel is literally the same as the original, nothing at all has been changed

also the sandvich is the greatest weapon ever

[Zephyr]

The Arena maps (specifically the Green one and Granary) are AMAZINGLY fun. Too bad they crash every 30 minutes or so.

@ Triad: I can safely vouch for the fact that the Sammich (which is MUCH cooler than Sanvich, or what have you) is a must have, overpowered weapon. It's won me the (arena) match a few times now, simply 'cause I could walk behind a corner and get back a ton of health. Seriously, it's broken.

And I don't think that there are too many heavies on the OCR server anymore. It died down pretty quickly, actually (and thank God).

@ Bahamut: When they stop a'sploding the server/computers, can we have at least the Green one on rotation?
I agree with everything, sammich is amazingly useful, and you simply must admit that getting pwned while OM NOM NOMing when you're the last one alive on arena is stinkin hilarious. I'm a huge fan of arena ravine, the crashes are annoying, although it is fun to backburn their entire team at once before they time out. I'm really hoping valve fixes it soon so we can have some good arena-style fun.

[atmuh]

ok first off HI EVERYONE IVE MISSED YOU ALL SO DEARLY
now that thats outa the way a couple things

first off i absolutely hate (and im sure if you were on last night you know) arena
the maps are too small its a quick stupid free for all that doesnt feel like tf2 at all

ok and i mentioned this to ds because baha cant seem to unignore me on irc (which im sure makes him REALLY SAD) but i dont appreciate joining the server and having beatdrop putting up a voteban for me right off the bat for no reason
getting banned from #ocrtf2 because an op doesnt like me i can live with but the same thing happening on the server would piss me off


oh ya sensai i said a while back that i didnt like you i guess you like everyone else never know when to take me seriously (which i like) but trust me if i didnt like you id make sure you knew it

[Tensei]

It's been one day and I'm already sick of Arena (not that it's that bad, it's just that the server was on arena maps ALL THE TIME). I manually switched the map to gold rush, steel and badwater a few times but still, I'd say go with two arena maps in the rotation at most. I was actually yearning for dustbowl at the end, and that's saying something. :P

Also welcome back atmuh

[EdgeCrusher]

Id vote for map changes, but SOMEONE took it away.

Anyway, I love the newbies crying about having to sit out in arena, its hilarious.

[Triad Orion]

I'd rather watch in Arenas anyway. I have this nasty tendency toward the status known as "Death." It doesn't really help one's team in that kind of mode. XD

[Secret Agent Man]

FYI, I was a spy.

[Tensei]

cp_steel is the best map.

[Effef]

pl_badwater is the best map.

Yes. Yes it is.

[DarkeSword]

Ugh. Free weekend this Friday. :(

[Bleck]

wacky_races is the best map.

I agree with this

[Bleck]

Ugh. Free weekend this Friday. :(

what's wrong with free weekends?

[Zephyr]

New update is out, no significant changes, and no talk of fixing some of the main arena problems, but hopefully it did anyways.

[Sensai]

oh ya sensai i said a while back that i didnt like you i guess you like everyone else never know when to take me seriously (which i like) but trust me if i didnt like you id make sure you knew itOh no, I knew you were joking. Or at least, I thought you were...glad I was right, as it woulda been bad had I been wrong. I just bank on you being funny, in a non-serious way...which is definitely cool. Some people take this game WAY too seriously.

Welcome back, regardless. Glad to see you.Anyway, I love the newbies crying about having to sit out in arena, its hilarious./agreed

Seriously...it's 2 minutes at ABSOLUTE most that you're sitting out. Just deal with it and try to learn something from someone who's better at you at whatever class you're interested in (Watching [ZUZ] Vahn Paktu or whatever play Scout is amazingly interesting, IMO).FYI, I was a spy.Dammit, why can't I stop laughing at this?

@ Bleck: The problem with free weekends is the fact that you get a billion and six people who are ABSOLUTE SHIT at the game running about like crazy. I mean, it's fun in that chaotic who gives a shit way, but....it gets on your nerves after a while. Luckily, I won't be playing this weekend.

@ everyone who played tonight: Had a lot of fun, thanks for the great games. See you guys tomorrow.

@ Science, Libby: Thanks for helping me out with those achievements and getting me my weapons. Don't like Natascha at all, but the gloves are pretty damn cool.

/end long post

[Bahamut]

At the moment, the map cycle is:

pl_badwater
cp_steel
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush
cp_granary
pl_badwater
ctf_2fort
cp_steel
cp_dustbowl
pl_badwater
cp_well
cp_badlands

Is there any adjustments people would like me to make?

[Sensai]

At the moment, the map cycle is:

arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill
arena_lumbermill

Is there any adjustments people would like me to make?

Nope...looks pretty good to me.

Also, on a serious note, why am I STILL not listed as an OCR player on the first post? Makes me all kinds of sad. :-((((

See!? FOUR mouths sad!

[Bahamut]

Nope...looks pretty good to me.

Also, on a serious note, why am I STILL not listed as an OCR player on the first post? Makes me all kinds of sad. :-((((

See!? FOUR mouths sad!

Post what your nick & the account name are then.

[Sensai]

Account name being the thing I use to log in? That would be Antrae.

Nick name being what people see me in the server as? That'd be LGD|Sensai. Sensai's fine if you'd rather that, though.

/shrugs and <3s

[atmuh]

what's wrong with free weekends?

ya i like them buncha new faggos to shoot in the face

[Schwaltzvald]

So I take it this had already been known for a good while but just haven't been posted..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8IK8F68VzA

Puts a new meaning to OM NOM NOM NOM :)!!

[duckyboycantfly]

So happy to be back.

Oh man, I can't wait to see TF2 the way it's meant to be played again.
(and actually be able to snipe again)

[Tensei]

So happy to be back.

Oh man, I can't wait to see TF2 the way it's meant to be played again.
(and actually be able to snipe again)

Yea I bet Valve meant for every team to have 6 heavies. Playing Sniper is great though atm.

[Rambo]

Yea I bet Valve meant for every team to have 6 heavies. Playing Sniper is great though atm.
Tensei is a pretty girl.

[Powerlord]

It's been one day and I'm already sick of Arena (not that it's that bad, it's just that the server was on arena maps ALL THE TIME). I manually switched the map to gold rush, steel and badwater a few times but still, I'd say go with two arena maps in the rotation at most. I was actually yearning for dustbowl at the end, and that's saying something. :P

Switching to an arena map switches server configurations (to config_arena.cfg), which unfortunately has a different default mapcycle (all arena maps). No idea why Valve thought this was a good idea...

P.S. Is it just me or are attack/defense maps like Dustbowl, Gravel Pit, Gold Rush, and Badwater Basin restricted to one team switch now?

[rem]

Anyone want to tell me what Free Weekend TF2 is all about? Is it just what it is, grab Steam, grab TF2 play for a weekend, see if you like it?

[Powerlord]

Anyone want to tell me what Free Weekend TF2 is all about? Is it just what it is, grab Steam, grab TF2 play for a weekend, see if you like it?

Exactly. The Heavy Update page has a link to download Steam... not that you can't find it on the main Steam page.

(Second sentence added to make the message long enough to make vBulletin happy)

[Effef]

P.S. Is it just me or are attack/defense maps like Dustbowl, Gravel Pit, Gold Rush, and Badwater Basin restricted to one team switch now?

Good, you shouldn't be teamswitching anyway

[Powerlord]

Good, you shouldn't be teamswitching anyway

I meant where the entire team is switched from attacking to defense or vice versa.

[rem]

Exactly. The Heavy Update page has a link to download Steam... not that you can't find it on the main Steam page.

(Second sentence added to make the message long enough to make vBulletin happy)

They do this after every class update right? Not every weekend

[Powerlord]

They do this after every class update right? Not every weekend

Only the first weekend after each major update.

Oh, and while I'm replying here, I was about to log on when I noticed that the server is now on the map "achievementbox_b3"

...wtf?

[Dhsu]

I meant where the entire team is switched from attacking to defense or vice versa.
The time for each map was changed to 30 minutes in anticipation for the new arena maps, which is usually only enough time for one team switch. Which is fine with me...50 minutes straight of Dustbowl or 2Fort is a bit much.

[bonzai!]

i miss you all and tf2 :(

but i won't mind missing free weekend

[Bleck]

me miss you too bonzai

especially since you are a girl which is awesome when you are on my team because people are hesitant to kill you rofl

[starla]

^Actually I find i'm a target a lot.. but maybe that's because i leeroy jenkins it.

Apparently, I have guest passes but it seems you can do the free weekend trial without them. If anyone turns out to need any, let me know, i'm always on irc.

[atmuh]

thats because bleck forgot the adjective 'cool'





also bonzai thanks for the fanart compo entry!!!!

[Rambo]

i miss you all and tf2 :(

but i won't mind missing free weekend


BONZAI! yay for withdrawl buddies! I echo her sentiments. Rawk Hawk is a coworker of mine, and everyday at work he tells me about kickass moments from the night before. and I want to murder him. So much.


also bonzai thanks for the fanart compo entry!!!!

Oh what? Now I need to enter. :-P

[Sensai]

Bonzai, where have you been, anyways? I know where Rambo and Ducky vanished too but you just up and left.

I'm not sure when I'm playing again (can't this weekend, going to school on Tuesday, classes start Thursday), but I'll see you all eventually.

And may god have mercy on the brave souls who play tomorrow.

[bonzai!]

my laptop started having critical errors during that last rambo week! the computer repair store is stumped on how to fix it D: That combined with school starting up, it may be a while longer before I can play again

my activity on the server is down to 5% lol

and woooo for fanart competition!!! haha, glad you're unbanned atmuh :)

rambo, where have you been! i have no one to commiserate with about an empty existence without tf2. also, the caption for my fanart entry should be "come back from the dead rambo"

[atmuh]

my laptop started having critical errors during that last rambo week! the computer repair store is stumped on how to fix it D: That combined with school starting up, it may be a while longer before I can play again

my activity on the server is down to 5% lol

and woooo for fanart competition!!! haha, glad you're unbanned atmuh :)

rambo, where have you been! i have no one to commiserate with about an empty existence without tf2. also, the caption for my fanart entry should be "come back from the dead rambo"

ahahahaha thats a perfect caption


and hey the two of you could always join my superfun irc channel

[Bleck]

so arena basically takes the minute balance issues of the game and magnifies them to infuriatingly large proportions

[zircon]

I don't think it does, but it would be more fun with healthpacks. At the moment, I see Ravine dominated by Pyros. Heavy/Medic pairs are also nearly unstoppable. Snipers are next to useless. In Badlands, Scouts (as always) seem to have an advantage, but again Pyros are very powerful there too. I hate Pyros.

[Bleck]

Pyros are unstoppable in Ravine and Badlands, and Soldiers are definitely at an advantage in Ravine and Lumberyard (even more so than soldiers usually are lolnoobclasslol).

if you are a medic and you are healing me as a heavy please please PLEASE watch behind us for spies and pyros

[zircon]

Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've died as a Medic (or as a Soldier) to a pyro/spy behind us because no one is looking. I don't understand why people keep running into the tiny houses in Ravine. It's a stupid move because you set yourself up for an ambush. Stay outside... wait for the CP to open.

[Secret Agent Man]

Yeah, I love playing spy on the arena maps.

I never really was on your side.

[SirChadlyOC]

I don't think it does, but it would be more fun with healthpacks. At the moment, I see Ravine dominated by Pyros. Heavy/Medic pairs are also nearly unstoppable. Snipers are next to useless. In Badlands, Scouts (as always) seem to have an advantage, but again Pyros are very powerful there too. I hate Pyros.

ENGINEERS ARE NOT CREDIT TO TEAM!!

[Sporknight]

so arena basically takes the minute balance issues of the game and magnifies them to infuriatingly large proportions

Haha, sounds like what happened to World of Warcraft when Blizz implemented Arenas. Fortunately, this game is all "PvP", so they can't make sweeping changes to class mechanics that cripple them in other areas to resolve minor balance issues.

Or at least, so we hope.

[Dhsu]

I dunno, I've seen snipers practically win an entire round by themselves. I mean seriously, you've seen how long they hold out on Hydro SDs. :P

[atmuh]

bigger maps

[Sole Signal]

I bought the Orange Box a year or so ago, and still have not played a single match of TF2. Take it easy on me if you see me pop in a match here pretty soon.:<

[atmuh]

oh boy

[Bahamut]

I hate Pyros.

This is an understatement.


Although I wonder sometimes about people's claims about pyros being overpowered - the more I play demo, the more I'm finding how powerful pipe grenades are - they shoot so quickly, and wreck havoc so fast - faster than a soldier's rocket in closer range (i.e. 3 grenades killing a full life heavy). Pyros get raped by two quick pipe grenades as well, as well as being something pyros generally don't think of air blasting.

[Bleck]

yeah but you actually need to aim pipe grenades

[Battousai]

I've started playing now (thanks garian!) and I stink but I'll be your huckleberry from time to time on the OCR server.

[Sensai]

I'm pretty damn sure Pyros and Soldiers are the two most busted classes in the game. I think it's funny how Pyros went from the worst class (again, IMO) to the best class with that update...Soldiers have always been good.

Seriously, crit rockets suck. And in Arena, even more so. They're so fuckin' stupid.

And speaking of Arena, I gotta say that Snipers are the things that make me scared the most, next to Spies. If you're a good Sniper, or Spy, then that's a 1 hit kill on almost anybody...

But, anyways: crits are dumb. Discuss.

[zircon]

Crits are fine, IMO. They help even the playing field, for one thing, and they can break stalemates. A single good Demo or Soldier crit can turn the tide of battle and that's a GOOD thing. An uber or two is always a more surefire bet, but the fact that a SINGLE player can really turn things around is a very nice feature of the game.

[Sensai]

Was coming to edit my post with my real thoughts, but I'll just respond now.

In truth, I think that crits are a good thing too. You're right in the fact that they add a little bit of uncertainty to the game, which is good (a la crits in RPGs or natural 20s, etc). The fact that Soldier's shoot crits about 20% of the time and said crits can kill just about anyone in a hit...that's silly. I know they're usually easy to avoid, but...seriously.

If the overall occurrence of crits went down, that'd be fine with me. If they completely disappeared, I'd probably miss them, truth be told.

That being said, I'd love for them to go away in Arena. Nor will I ever stop bitching about them, haha.

[Tensei]

Isn't it true that the chance of crits substantially increases the better you play? Or more concretely I seem to recall it has something to do with the total amount of damage you've done and the number of times you've died, but I like the way how that works actually. (this would also explain the insane crit rate engies get with the wrench)

[Sensai]

Isn't it true that the chance of crits substantially increases the better you play? Or more concretely I seem to recall it has something to do with the total amount of damage you've done and the number of times you've died, but I like the way how that works actually. (this would also explain the insane crit rate engies get with the wrench)
Y'know, I hear this every once in a while and I'm completely unsure how people came to this conclusion. Unless it's something that I just didn't read somewhere along the way...

[Tensei]

Y'know, I hear this every once in a while and I'm completely unsure how people came to this conclusion. Unless it's something that I just didn't read somewhere along the way...

Found this, seems pretty genuine to me.

http://www.mrlwork.com/post/19

Oh and TF2wiki says something similar.

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Crit

Critical hits are awarded based on random chance at the time the shot is fired, starting at 5% for most weapons. Melee weapons generally have a baseline chance of 10%. The amount of damage dealt by a player over the last 20 seconds can increase the crit chance, up to a maximum of 20% [2]. This "super-crit" period can be extended by continued killing.

[Sensai]

Found this, seems pretty genuine to me.

http://www.mrlwork.com/post/19

Oh and TF2wiki says something similar.

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/CritWell hot damn! I've been living my life without knowing these things. Thanks!

The first one is a really interesting read and describes it pretty perfectly. Thanks a ton.

[Bleck]

crits are not generally a bad thing

the bad thing about crits and soldiers is that because the rockets have such a high damage output and they have such a long life expectancy they get more crits per shot than any other class in the game

[zircon]

I still don't really understand how this works. The Phase 3 test seems to be identical to the Phase 4 test. Am I misreading? In Phase 3, he said he shot 40 rounds into the glob of bots, then another 40 into the wall, but there was no difference in crit chance. In Phase 4, he says he fires 80 rounds into the glob of bots and crit nearly every time. What's the difference?

[Bleck]

the difference is that for 40 rounds in phase 3 he is shooting into a wall

how many shots you take at a wall does not affect how much damage you have done

if every shot fired at a bot is one more piece of damage, then 40 bot shots + 40 wall shots = 40 damage

40 bot shots + 40 bot shots = 80 damage

more damage = more crits

[Powerlord]

Y'know, I hear this every once in a while and I'm completely unsure how people came to this conclusion. Unless it's something that I just didn't read somewhere along the way...

Valve's employees mention it in the Developer's Commentary. You should go listen to it sometime.

Edit:
Oh, I almost forgot. My copy of TF2 was wigging out tonight. When I went to switch weapons, nearly 1/3 of the time, it would immediately switch back to the weapon I just had. Same with switching disguises as Spy.

Has anyone else run into this, and if so, how did you fix it? Maybe it's just lost packets between me and the server, although that should be reflected in the ping time.

Edit 2:
I've deleted my local TF2 files and am reinstalling from Steam.

[zircon]

the difference is that for 40 rounds in phase 3 he is shooting into a wall

how many shots you take at a wall does not affect how much damage you have done

if every shot fired at a bot is one more piece of damage, then 40 bot shots + 40 wall shots = 40 damage

40 bot shots + 40 bot shots = 80 damage

more damage = more crits

Yes, but if you read, the first 40 shots (which all went directly into the bots) still had 50% crit rate. Whereas in Phase 3, those same first 40 shots had nearly 100% crit rate. What's the difference between the first set of shots in each experiment?

[Bleck]

...luck? ◕◡◕

I'm not really sure, despite the presumable accuracy of the experiment he does not seem to be able to make things very clear does he

[Effef]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6679/121944945372bn3.jpg

[Sensai]

zircon...you bring up some good points. I'll have to reread it now with that in mind, haha. I guess I didn't read it as carefully as I thought I had to begin with.

I just done playing a little bit (an hour, tops) and I need to restate this: The amount of crits we see are silly.

[Drack]

Y'know, I hear this every once in a while and I'm completely unsure how people came to this conclusion. Unless it's something that I just didn't read somewhere along the way...

It's also mentioned the developer commentary ingame.

[SirChadlyOC]

I need to play less "support" classes during free weekends. Supporting new players usually leads to frustrating results.

It's nice to rack up the kills against the inexperienced, but on the other hand, my team usually loses in the 20 seconds I'm waiting to respawn when I die. For example, I joined a granary match and had 12 kills + 5 assists on only 3 deaths as an engineer, but after 2 heavy+medic combos cornered me, I watched in horror as my team lost 20 seconds later.

I don't mind helping the newbies because everyone has to start somewhere, but I definitely expect to lose (or win, depending on teams) more suddenly.

ALSO: I still giggle when I hear "OM NOM NOM NOM. NOM NOM" from the other side of the map. Hilarious. I do wish, however, that heavies were even more susceptible to dying while eating the sandvich. Every shot on them should be an instant critical while they eat. I feel that a heavy getting caught munching should practically die instantly as punishment for not finding a good enough hiding spot.

[EdgeCrusher]

The lack of decent medics this weekend is pissing me off. Ill get healed by one for like, 3 seconds, and he'll run off to another heavy. So Im fucked achievement wise and also playing wise too. Fucking new people.

[The Mutericator]

I always thought crits were determined by time alive... 5% at the start and +1% for every minute alive, and minus some chance every time you die.

[OverCoat]

Can we get this map in the server rotation? :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjTUmGS6E0

[Didaji]

Atm im off to buy Orange box, never really played TF Classic or TF2, was just going to buy it for HL2, Portal, Episode One and Two. But now i want to try TF2, it looks so cool.

Adding the server, maybe i come online later today :)

[Brushfire]

Can we get this map in the server rotation? :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjTUmGS6E0

That would be great and sad at the same time.

[Xerol Oplan]

http://xerol.org/h/v/1353/19fsandvich.jpg (http://xerol.org/h/img/1353)

[The Mutericator]

Oh wow, that's awesome.

[Powerlord]

Can we get this map in the server rotation? :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjTUmGS6E0

I have a request: Please do not add this map to the server rotation.

[EdgeCrusher]

Can we get this map in the server rotation? :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YjTUmGS6E0

Fuck no we don't need a gay ass 4chan map on there. And that guys voice is beyond annoying.

[Secret Agent Man]

I do wish, however, that heavies were even more susceptible to dying while eating the sandvich. Every shot on them should be an instant critical while they eat. I feel that a heavy getting caught munching should practically die instantly as punishment for not finding a good enough hiding spot.
What do you mean "more susceptible" when they're eating sandviches? They're not moving. If you can't kill them quickly enough, that's your own problem.

[SirChadlyOC]

What do you mean "more susceptible" when they're eating sandviches? They're not moving. If you can't kill them quickly enough, that's your own problem.

I once was a medic with an uber saw and it took me 4 shots to kill an eating Heavy. I want them to be even more susceptible than just not moving. It's not a big deal or anything, just my opinion.

REGARDING RTV: I'm very glad we have it, but it still needs some tweaking. Can we make it so a certain number of people have to type rtv to initiate map voting? Currently, with all the arena maps, all it takes is one person who doesn't like them, and the map is changed. To 2Fort. Again.

[Powerlord]

REGARDING RTV: I'm very glad we have it, but it still needs some tweaking. Can we make it so a certain number of people have to type rtv to initiate map voting? Currently, with all the arena maps, all it takes is one person who doesn't like them, and the map is changed. To 2Fort. Again.

That's the way it used to be... not sure why it changed.

[Bleck]

I once was a medic with an uber saw and it took me 4 shots to kill an eating Heavy.

the ubersaw does an average of about 75 damage per hit

[EdgeCrusher]

Yeah, fix rtv. You get to play 2 minutes of arena before some newbie fag changes it.

[atmuh]

well i hate arena and im pretty sure everyone knows that but although i complain a lot i never rtv it and ya i say definitely fix the rtv
i especially hate it since it comes up at EVERY MAP, id almost say disable it since there are enough reserved slot holders to call mapvotes when they are really needed

also let me back in #ocrtf2

[EdgeCrusher]

let me have my voting rights back!

[Bleck]

also let me back in #ocrtf2

no atmuh you obviously troll everyone with your happy demeanor and your smiles it is a shame they have not completely banned you from the internet forever with that kind of behaviour

[Zephyr]

I agree on the topic of RTV, it can be called much to easily, I'm getting sick of map changing all the time.

Also, I found this map today: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/62848 (dom_canalzone)

And it looks interesting to me, got all high 9's from fps banana and it's by vilepickle, (did ctf_mach4 and ctf_chaos). I've never tried a dom_ and they look to have a rather interesting gametype idea. We should try it out sometime... thoughts?

[Sensai]

Still wanna throw a vote in for cp_castle. It was so much fun when I played it a long time ago.

@ Zephyr: I'm game. Any new map, that's fine by me.

About RTV/Arena: I really like Arena, as I'm sure it's known. So, when we switch to Lumberyard (which is an AMAZING map that should be elected president of the world), it kinda irks me that any random person could type RTV and pull up a vote.

Although, it woulda been fine...if the requirements for a map weren't so damn low. If anyone could type RTV and then people could vote 'current' or 'no' or something like that, that'd be cool. Or, if I could just throw away my vote to a map I know wouldn't make it...but if everyone thinks like this, there is no map that we can throw away too.

All of that being said, I think having 8 people type RTV is a little much. We were stuck with a BROKEN team on gravelpit tonight 'cause no one would type RTV. I was stuck on a shitty as hell team in Turbine 'cause it took 20 minutes to type RTV.



Short version: 8 people for RTV is too much. 1 person for RTV is fine if I can vote against changing map but not good if I can't. arena_lumberyard is the best thing ever. Crits are dumb.

[DoctorDevice]

I try to get on almost-nightly.

doctordevice - Doctor Device

(warning: if you are on the same team as me, every round we stand an 87% chance of failing our objectives spectacularly)

[Zephyr]

I definitely agree with Sensai about RTV, I know you don't make RTV Baha, but if there are some options that you could change that would be spectacular. I still get sick of having the rtv menu sitting there for 10 minutes because I didn't want to vote (then forgot to vote to rid the menu after the rtv failed). NoVote option and more people for rtv (4? 5?) would be great... Thanks.

[Bahamut]

RTV doesn't have the option to vote against changing the map. There is an extend vote option (I think you type extend into the chat), but no one seems to use it.

[Xerol Oplan]

What are the mods coded in?

[OverCoat]

No love for Harbl Hotel? :[

AH JEEZ

[Bleck]

I would play Harbl Hotel

[Brushfire]

I would play it too.

Despite it's 4Chan upbringing. It has a blender!!

Also I'd like to commission a sig for the boards. Willing to pay sorta big bux! Any takers?

[Bahamut]

What are the mods coded in?

I think C++

[Effef]

I once was a medic with an uber saw and it took me 4 shots to kill an eating Heavy..

Thats nothing. I was a scout last night and i stood point blank to a eating heavy and it took me 7 scattergun shots to kill him.

Seven shots.

[SirChadlyOC]

Thats nothing. I was a scout last night and i stood point blank to a eating heavy and it took me 7 scattergun shots to kill him.

Seven shots.

Like, I know, rite?

The server now has too many awesome maps that deserve to be played. The cue must be ridiculous. I'm sure RTV makes the rotation less useful, but here are a few suggestions I have nonetheless:
1. Exclude cp_badlands (since arena badlands is better IMO)
2. Remove or lessen 2fort. It's just too old.
3. Continue using Dustbowl and Goldrush only once.
4. ◕◡◕
5. Is it possible to add "extend map x minutes" to the rtv list that comes up? If so, yes please for 15 minutes.
6. As much as I looove unofficial custom maps, now is not a good time for them. Keep using the new official maps for another week or so until we all get sick of them, then we should start finding different ones like Orange, Warpath, etc.

[Bleck]

Remove or lessen 2fort. It's just too old.


no no no no no

[The Mutericator]

There are a myriad of 24/7 2fort maps, some with people playing all the time. Use one of those to get your fix, the rest of us wanna play something new.

[Bleck]

then go to a server with arena maps on and play on those

we're not going to remove maps that other people like playing just because someone barges in and demands that we play more arena or whatever

[Imagist]

5. Is it possible to add "extend map x minutes" to the rtv list that comes up? If so, yes please for 15 minutes.

we already have this, it's called "don't vote"

[SirChadlyOC]

we already have this, it's called "don't vote"

Ah yes, but with the new longer rotation, the map length changed from 45(?) to 30 minutes. This would be a way to put it back to 45 if people wanted to.

But I think what Bahamut was saying is that it's possible to "vote extend" in chat instead of RTV? I'll have to try that next time and see how it goes.

ALSO: I've been taking a lot of screenshots recently. I'll look through them sometime soon and post some good ones, especially ones that might be sig-worthy. So if you want a screenshot of you killing me, you better try to kill me first! :<

[Tensei]

Remove or lessen 2fort. It's just too old.


Over my dead fucking body.

[atmuh]

Ah yes, but with the new longer rotation, the map length changed from 45(?) to 30 minutes. This would be a way to put it back to 45 if people wanted to.

But I think what Bahamut was saying is that it's possible to "vote extend" in chat instead of RTV? I'll have to try that next time and see how it goes.

ALSO: I've been taking a lot of screenshots recently. I'll look through them sometime soon and post some good ones, especially ones that might be sig-worthy. So if you want a screenshot of you killing me, you better try to kill me first! :<

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7249

[Didaji]

Omg this is my kind of luck, Orange box is soldout where i live *cry*

[atmuh]

steam .

[Didaji]

Yea thats a alternative :)

[SirChadlyOC]

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7249

Are you suggesting that my screenshot idea will result in a year-and-a-half-old graveyard of failure, and participation may have a correlation to bans?

[atmuh]

im saying we should revive that thread i like those threads

[Powerlord]

Over my dead fucking body.

That could be arranged, but I'd rather 2fort stayed as well.

[Sensai]

then go to a server with arena maps on and play on those

we're not going to remove maps that other people like playing just because someone barges in and demands that we play more arena or whateverI agree with Bleck here: it seems silly to remove map choices, especially popular ones like 2fort, Goldrush, etc simply because they're 'older.'

That being said, I would like to see some newer ones in the RTV menu. Or at least let us nominate them.

[Zephyr]

Payload map user rated 9.9; pl_hoodoo http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/62351

2 way payload map (both teams attempt to push the cart to the other team's base) high 9's; pl_pushme_pullme http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/62695

[Powerlord]

I agree with Bleck here: it seems silly to remove map choices, especially popular ones like 2fort, Goldrush, etc simply because they're 'older.'

That being said, I would like to see some newer ones in the RTV menu. Or at least let us nominate them.

I find it weird that the nominate command doesn't appear to work in game.

Edit: Also, since I've had the game before the Gold Rush update, calling Gold Rush old seems... weird.

[Sensai]

@ Powerlord: Jeah, I've had it for a long while too and to me Gold Rush isn't old either.

But I couldn't think of anything else since if I had said Dustbowl, I woulda been crucified 'cause that map is apparently everyone's favorite thing ever. I guess I coulda said Gravel Pit or something like that.

/shrugs

[Zephyr]

I'm currently working on a TF2 map, ctp_epsilon, it's ctf but you must capture the control point and bring the flag to it while you own it to score. I'm looking for critique and gameplay advice right now so if you want to give a few tips check out; http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=3392
and critique me there or just send me a PM the advice if you don't want to sign up over there.

Thanks!

[DarkeSword]

I'm currently working on a TF2 map, ctp_epsilon, it's ctf but you must capture the control point and bring the flag to it while you own it to score. I'm looking for critique and gameplay advice right now so if you want to give a few tips check out; http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=3392
and critique me there or just send me a PM the advice if you don't want to sign up over there.

Thanks!
Sounds interesting; I'd like to request that you use the Alpine assets instead of the Desert stuff if you can. :)

[EdgeCrusher]

Payload map user rated 9.9; pl_hoodoo http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/62351

2 way payload map (both teams attempt to push the cart to the other team's base) high 9's; pl_pushme_pullme http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/62695

We actually had a discussion in #ocrtf2 a few weeks back about a map with 2 carts, one for each team. This sounds like fucking fun.

[Bahamut]

Just for reference, the map rotation is currently:

pl_badwater
arena_lumberyard
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush
arena_ravine
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
ctf_fastlane
arena_well
cp_granary
pl_badwater
arena_lumberyard
ctf_2fort
cp_steel
cp_dustbowl
arena_badlands
pl_badwater
cp_well
cp_badlands
arena_granary
tc_hydro
pl_cave_b6

If there's any requests for changes, let me know, although I won't be able to change them until late today.

[Bleck]

I do not like how we still have dustbowl in there twice

[Xerol Oplan]

The current rotation (without votes) would take more than 11 hours to go through, dustbowl comes up less than once per typical session.

[Zephyr]

I like that rotation, I'm fine with the 2 dustbowls and I like that server setup. All good by me.

[Syka]

cp_steel? Moar liek cp_where_the_f***_are_any_of_the_points, m i rite?

[Powerlord]

cp_steel? Moar liek cp_where_the_f***_are_any_of_the_points, m i rite?

It's pretty quick to learn, though.

[Tensei]

cp_steel? Moar liek cp_where_the_f***_are_any_of_the_points, m i rite?

Yeah because huge letters pointing to the corresponding cp are very hard to follow, right?

[EdgeCrusher]

cp_steel? Moar liek cp_where_the_f***_are_any_of_the_points, m i rite?

More like cp play it more than 2 rounds, kthx.

[Pyrion]

cp_steel? Moar liek cp_where_the_f***_are_any_of_the_points, m i rite?

Play the map for five minutes and either you'll get it and remember it for life, or you couldn't find your ass with a map and a compass.

[zyko]

like a drug

[Bleck]

like a virgin

touched for the very first tiiiime

[Brushfire]

Like a vir-r-r-r-gin?

[DoctorDevice]

like a sur-r-r-r-geon?

[sephfire]

I have caved. Downloading TF2 on my wife's PC as we speak.

[Bleck]

finally jeez

[Powerlord]

I have caved. Downloading TF2 on my wife's PC as we speak.

Excellent! Another vict... er... player.

I updated my Introduction to TF2 classes (http://powerlord.livejournal.com/99385.html) post when I copied it to my LJ.

[Brushfire]

Hey is the server down for maintenance or somethin?

[Powerlord]

Hey is the server down for maintenance or somethin?

Well, it's definitely down... whether that's for maintenance or not, good question!

Hey, does anyone have the Bahamut summon? He'll know!

[Weirdboyscott]

Well I didn't know OCR had a TF2 server until today when I saw the thread pop up while getting a few missing songs... And I'm trying to decide if I should change my Steam name for when I play there.

I've decided to check it out today, and just a heads up my regular Steam name is Suomynona.

[atmuh]

Well I didn't know OCR had a TF2 server until today when I saw the thread pop up while getting a few missing songs... And I'm trying to decide if I should change my Steam name for when I play there.

I've decided to check it out today, and just a heads up my regular Steam name is Suomynona.

fyi the server is down right now FOR SOME REASON
also dont change your name when you play there tagz r 4 fagz

[Dhsu]

Pretty sure I saw you with a Remod tag.

[SirChadlyOC]

Tags are for people who would be anonymous without it. Like me, when nobody knew who I was before I played TF2. LOOK GUYS I'M ON YOUR SIDE!

EDIT: I have leveled up! I am now an Eggplant Wizard. Also, I learned Cure.

[Tensei]

tagz r 4 fagz

except [BACON] right? ◕◡◕

[Powerlord]

except [BACON] right? ◕◡◕

Out of curiosity, is BACON a clan name or a running gag?

'cause as long as you keep using it, expect "It's Bacon!" jokes from me.

[EdgeCrusher]

Oh boy, now we got WBS here. This is gonna suck.

[atmuh]

Pretty sure I saw you with a Remod tag.

ya i had that for about an hour once and was like wow this is dumb bye tagz and then NEVER AGAIN

except [BACON] right? ◕◡◕

no that too

[OverCoat]

I played the 4chan server last night >_>

there's a really fun map called Wacky Races though. Holy fuck that was awesome.

[EdgeCrusher]

I played the 4chan server last night >_>

there's a really fun map called Wacky Races though. Holy fuck that was awesome.

SA servers > * > 4chan server

[OverCoat]

You just can't appreciate the micspam :D

[atmuh]

ya
if you dont like someone micspamming
JUST MUTE THEM

the only time i get mad at micspam is when im actually trying to play in arena because arena makes me so mad as it is

[Bahamut]

ya
if you dont like someone micspamming
JUST MUTE THEM

the only time i get mad at micspam is when im actually trying to play in arena because arena makes me so mad as it is

Or the micspammer could just as easily *gasp* not micspam! Novel idea!

Hence why micspamming isn't really allowed on the OCR server - sure, you can mute annoying players, but it's even easier for the person to not be purposefully annoying.

[Dhsu]

ya
if you dont like someone micspamming
JUST MUTE THEM

the only time i get mad at micspam is when im actually trying to play in arena because arena makes me so mad as it is
Just mute them.

[Weirdboyscott]

Oh boy, now we got WBS here. This is gonna suck.

Quiet, you. I've been playing TF2 since it came out and I thought it'd be fun to play with fellow OCR people.

[EdgeCrusher]

But you're an OCR tradition!


And the 4chan server doesnt just suck for micspamming. The fucking sound files they play on command is fucking retarded.

[OverCoat]

Atatata
We Must Construct Additional Pylons

[atmuh]

Or the micspammer could just as easily *gasp* not micspam! Novel idea!

Hence why micspamming isn't really allowed on the OCR server - sure, you can mute annoying players, but it's even easier for the person to not be purposefully annoying.

but to some people that is entertaining so why take away their entertainment if you can alleviate what you personally find annoying in an extremely simple way that will benefit everyone

[zircon]

Go on to another server to micspam. Not all players know how to use the mute function. New players on the server have to waste time, either complaining about the spamming player OR finding them and muting them. For those that are enjoying the micspam and leaving it on, their ability to communicate and play effectively is severely diminished. So, fuck micspamming, do it somewhere else. I'll ban anyone who does it here.

[EdgeCrusher]

I hate mic usage all together. I don't like a 12 year old kid whos balls just dropped yelling at me to uber him.

[Bleck]

hey guys let's ban people because people are too fuckstupid to learn how to mute people

[Brushfire]

I agree anyone who hasen't gone through puberty should not be allowed to play online games for what is known as the "Halo" factor. Unless they show at least an ounce of maturity.

[DarkeSword]

Why do people have to micspam? To have fun? I don't get it; you're already playing a game that features a large Russian man eating a sandwich. How much more fun could you possibly hope to have?

[Bleck]

I dunno lol

[Weirdboyscott]

Well I played for like 5 minutes but I kept getting pushed out due to reserve slots, ahh well. You haven't seen the last of me!

[EdgeCrusher]

Well I played for like 5 minutes but I kept getting pushed out due to reserve slots, ahh well. You haven't seen the last of me!

Oh yes we have.

[Weirdboyscott]

I don't see why you continue to be a monumental douche bag to me after all these years, Edgecrusher.

[EdgeCrusher]

Just making up for the times you tried to be to me. Don't you have a couch to jerk off on?

[Bahamut]

but to some people that is entertaining so why take away their entertainment if you can alleviate what you personally find annoying in an extremely simple way that will benefit everyone

And this is irrelevant.

Conversely, why take away most people's entertainment at just playing the game by having to deal with micspammer douches? Sorry but that is just a dumb line of thought.

[atmuh]

And this is irrelevant.

Conversely, why take away most people's entertainment at just playing the game by having to deal with micspammer douches? Sorry but that is just a dumb line of thought.

i said it just before
you dont have to deal with them everyone what doesnt like them can mute them!

anyways anyone who plays on the occasional afternoon knows that tons of the ocr people have loads of fun micspamming


i find people with admin things changing maps a zillion times MUCH MORE ANNOYING THAN mic spamming or smth like that

[EdgeCrusher]

I don't know about micspamming, cause I turn all mics off. Type if you want to talk to me.

[Powerlord]

I don't know about micspamming, cause I turn all mics off. Type if you want to talk to me.

Lets see... which is more likely to happen before you die?
1. Me holding down "v" and saying "Edgecrusher, spy behind you!"
2. Me hitting "y" and typing out "Edgecrusher, spy behind you!"

Hint: I talk faster than I type.

[SirChadlyOC]

Once someone has mic spammed, it's too late. My ears already hurt and I'm already pissed off. I can mute them to make it stop, but the damage has been done to (temporarily) steal my fun. Then I lock myself in my room and play Linkin Park while dreaming of running away from home cuz nobody appreciates me anymore. :puppyeyes:

[Bahamut]

i said it just before
you dont have to deal with them everyone what doesnt like them can mute them!

anyways anyone who plays on the occasional afternoon knows that tons of the ocr people have loads of fun micspamming

And even easier for everyone, the micspammers could have just not hit V and spammed?

You're not helping your case for micspamming here.

[sephfire]

Ok, if you happen to see a guy named catf00d in the server before it fills up and he gets booted, that was me. :<

[Sensai]

I forgot that V was the letter most people hit for mics...that's weird, haha.

:-/

[OverCoat]

my talk key is MOUSE5 :3

[atmuh]

And even easier for everyone, the micspammers could have just not hit V and spammed?

You're not helping your case for micspamming here.

ive never micspammed silly but i do enjoy when other people do most of the time

other people do to!

[Dhsu]

So do it when they're around (i.e. during the afternoon or on another server).

Or would you rather have another fun and hilarious micspamming session on Arena!

[atmuh]

arena just makes me so ANGRY

[Bahamut]

ive never micspammed silly but i do enjoy when other people do most of the time

other people do to!

I'm not saying you micspam - it's that you're trying to justify it, and from what I've found, most people generally don't like micspam, and on the OCR server it's no different. Personally I'm fine with it if the people don't get obnoxious with it, which is all too easy to do since most micspammers don't have a social sense in knowing the line. As soon as it's bad enough to distract people from the game or to prevent legit voice communication, that's when it's out of line and out of place.

[Tensei]

which is all too easy to do since most micspammers don't have a social sense in knowing the line.

I resent that statement >=|

My personal rules for playing music are:
- Only if nobody explicitly states they are against it.
- Only if it's less than 6 people, UNLESS everybody explicitly asks me to play some music.

Is it necessary to play music to have fun? No, but three heavies alternating between eating sandviches and punching each other with the soviet national anthem playing in the background definitely has a certain charm.

[Bahamut]

I did say most Tensei. Considerate micspammers are generally in short supply, with many more interested in playing obnoxious sound clips often, or playing their music as soon as they are in the game.

[EdgeCrusher]

Most micspamming is retarded stuff like baha said, stupid sound clips and for some reason the people that like rap or really shitty pop music want to play their whole setlist for everyone to hear. I can understand being retarded a little, but if I want to hear music, there's radio stations, my itunes, and cds around for that.

[Tensei]

Most micspamming is retarded stuff like baha said, stupid sound clips and for some reason the people that like rap or really shitty pop music want to play their whole setlist for everyone to hear. I can understand being retarded a little, but if I want to hear music, there's radio stations, my itunes, and cds around for that.

Are you saying you wouldn't appreciate my hot disco classics? :<

Edit: AWESOME vid I found, check it out. http://www.gamevee.com/viewVideo/Team_Fortess_2/PC/Epic_final_capture_fail/741916

[atmuh]

tensei and bleck play the best stuff

[EdgeCrusher]

My swedish death metal trumps your disco.

[bonzai!]

omg omg omg omg omg

my laptop is fixed AND i have internet

YOU ALL BETTER BE PLAYING THIS WEEKEND

[duckyboycantfly]

omg omg omg omg omg

my laptop is fixed AND i have internet

YOU ALL BETTER BE PLAYING THIS WEEKEND
Can't wait.

[atmuh]

and so returns the MUST BE ON GIRLS TEAM mentality with pretty much everyone

[Bleck]

bleck <3s bonzai it is a secret

[SirChadlyOC]

Scythful hates SirChadly, it's not a secret.

[Weirdboyscott]

Atmuh sounds like Garfield the cat.

[Brushfire]

Atmuh sounds like Garfield the cat.

You mean he sounds like Lorenzo Music as Garfield the Cat.

[atmuh]

i was vre sleepy

[Weirdboyscott]

You mean he sounds like Lorenzo Music as Garfield the Cat.
Yeah that.

[bonzai!]

bleck <3s bonzai it is a secret oh okay, shh, we won't tell her

[Sensai]

Hm, glad to see you back bonzai. Hopefully, this means we'll have someone who plays medic, meaning some random idiot who only heals the heavy won't have to.

Gah. Some medics are just fuckin' stupid.

[Zephyr]

Hey everyone, I just got a downloadable of my map (ctp_epsilon) up, take a look at it if you get the chance, it probably won't be too interesting by yourself, but I'm hoping to get it playtested sometime soon! PM me any critique/problems, I'll take any comments.

download- http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=3466
WIP forum- http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=3392

Please let me know what you think (and no, I'm not done texturing it, I'm seeing how it plays first) it might not be amazing now, but hopefully will be soon with your critique.

I've also sent a PM to Bahamut asking about getting it put up on the server for testing (not necessarily in the rotation), if you'd be interested in testing it sometime, say so!

Thanks.

[Powerlord]

Hm, glad to see you back bonzai. Hopefully, this means we'll have someone who plays medic, meaning some random idiot who only heals the heavy won't have to.

Gah. Some medics are just fuckin' stupid.

The complaining about medics is why I generally don't play medic anymore. There's no way you can make everyone happy; why bother trying? You're just going to get the blame if your team loses anyway. I don't need to deal with that sort of shit, kthx.

[Sensai]

The complaining about medics is why I generally don't play medic any more. There's no way you can make everyone happy; why bother trying? You're just going to get the blame if your team loses anyway. I don't need to deal with that sort of shit, kthx.

No, there's definitely no way to make everyone happy, and that's just simply unrealistic. That's not what I meant at all.

The guys I'm referring to as 'dumb' are the ones who join a game and do NOTHING but heal heavies, thinking that's the best plan. That's just silly. If you're heavy's sitting at 450 health and you got a lit-up scout right next to you, about to die...who would you heal?

Answer this question with the heavy, and you fall under a category I like to label as dumb.

Also: I really like Zephyr's map. If you haven't done so already, you should download it and look over it, as it's really damn cool.

[Bleck]

If you're heavy's sitting at 450 health and you got a lit-up scout right next to you, about to die...who would you heal?

if the scout was colin then the heavy of course

[Powerlord]

No, there's definitely no way to make everyone happy, and that's just simply unrealistic. That's not what I meant at all.

The guys I'm referring to as 'dumb' are the ones who join a game and do NOTHING but heal heavies, thinking that's the best plan. That's just silly. If your heavy's sitting at 450 health and you got a lit-up scout right next to you, about to die...who would you heal?

It depends on circumstances. For instance, if an uber is going on, I'd stay on the heavy. Or if I suspect the scout is a spy. Especially if it's a combination of the two.

Here's a double standard I "love":
1. People complain when, as a medic, I don't check for spies behind us.
2. People complain when, as a medic, I stop healing them to shoot at suspected spies.
3. People complain when, as a medic, I try to kill a spy.

Note that 1 is mutually exclusive with 2 or 3.

[Bleck]

why don't you just tell the heavy there is a spy

also arena is for fags who play counter-strike

[Powerlord]

why don't you just tell the heavy there is a spy

also arena is for fags who play counter-strike

'cause some people *coughedgecrushercough* have voice chat disabled or don't realize I'm speaking to them.

[Bleck]

oh well that's pretty terrible of them

[Xerol Oplan]

What gets me is when someone with 100% uber and no other obvious healing targets nearby refuses to follow or uber me to make a push on offense.

[EdgeCrusher]

bonzai did an awesome job today of ubering me during goldrush. Great job.

Edit: is there a way to set rtv to only be usable after a period of time. Seriously, these new people showing up and rtving 5 seconds into arena is annoying. I don't want to play dustbowl again.

[Tensei]

Just have to say that Bleck is absolutely right about soldiers being noobcannons in certain maps. I have barely played the class but I tried for shits and giggles on Dustbowl defense 3 and I went with a 4:1 k/d rate (which was aided by the fact that a kritz-happy medic paired up with me, but still..). Even on maps like Steel where I didn't have a constant medic buddy I did relatively well. :<

On the topic of medics, gotta love the ones that just pop a uber without asking when you're not even close enough to the enemy sentries or when all your weapons need reloading. IMO if you're playing medic you just need to use voice comm to be as effective as possible.

[duckyboycantfly]

It's official. My number one cause of sleep deprivation is this server.

Though, late night is some awesome times.

Furry porn

[SirChadlyOC]

On the topic of medics, gotta love the ones that just pop a uber without asking when you're not even close enough to the enemy sentries or when all your weapons need reloading. IMO if you're playing medic you just need to use voice comm to be as effective as possible.

I'm sorry I don't have a mic! :cry:

[Helo]

I'm curious: what servers do you all typically play on when the OCR server isn't up and running?

Also, I'm a medic - look for me in game as Dr. Rogers (steamname: rogersj3).

[zircon]

I pretty much exclusively play on the OCR server.

[Bahamut]

Same here, the OCR server is a lot less painful to play on than the others I've been on, and with some fun moments to be had.

[Bleck]

I haven't played on any server but this one for a very long time

[Zephyr]

I've ventured out to the odd server sometimes, but I always come back to OCR, same people all the time = more fun.

[EdgeCrusher]

I play on the 2fort2furious mario kart 100% crits server sometimes, and the SA servers.

[Jarvi]

I finally got back into TF2 so expect to see me on the server more, I usually play pyro, but I swap to whatever I think is needed

[Bahamut]

So, so far there has been mixed reception with the arena maps - what do you all think about them?

Just a reminder, the map rotation is currently

pl_badwater
arena_lumberyard
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush
arena_ravine
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
ctf_fastlane
arena_well
cp_granary
pl_badwater
arena_lumberyard
ctf_2fort
cp_steel
cp_dustbowl
arena_badlands
pl_badwater
cp_well
cp_badlands
arena_granary
tc_hydro
pl_cave_b6

[atmuh]

you know my opinion about arena maps and also i hate turbine so id REEEALLY be happy if you could make turbine NOT come right after an arena map

i think im the only one that still loves constant dustbowl

[EdgeCrusher]

Dustbowl.

Nuff said.

[Bleck]

needs significantly less arena

[Sensai]

You guys know that I love Arena.

That being said, the majority of the people on the server seem to have some kinda...I dunno, hatred for it. We had JUST started arena_well and pretty much everyone RTVed.

I figure if we just have an arena every 5 maps, that'd be fine with me and would be a small enough number for the people who don't like it.

[EdgeCrusher]

we need custom map night. How about it?