OCR TF2: New Server forthcoming - new server IPs and other stuff [Archive] - Page 34

Brushfire

02-09-2010, 04:01 AM

As far as what you did to get banned, and what you do to piss admins off, a lot of it stems from perceptions of how you act on the forums. Your insistance on using lowercase letters is annoying, your constant passive aggressive whining angers mods, and your playing the victim when someone drops the ban hammer is just childish.

Personally my only beef with you is you telling me how to do my job.

I don't like that, but we have moved on from that, so no need to revisit it.

The thing is, when you first came back from your banning waaaaaay back in 08ish timeframe, you were fine. You were respectful, and did a lot to help the OCR TF2 community. Then something in your brain snapped and you became an insurmountable douche for what appeared like no reason (though I suspect that mini 4chan board you frequent had something to do with it).

Now to the task at hand. You were banned for griefing, and the offense was you placing and then immediatly destroying a sapper. Doing so caused another regular to complain, and as you turn off voice, you did not hear the warning that was given to you by Garian. We have been discussing this and most admins agree that turning off voice is not an excuse. Ignorance of the Law doesn't keep people from trouble. I have my problems with you, but I would personally lift your ban if you would apoligize to Garian.

Seriously, that's all you have to do.

I have said my peace on the matter.

Garian

02-09-2010, 04:13 AM

SIX DEMOMEN. SIX.

wait, were they all stickybombsmen? because that'd make just about anyone rage. 3 and 3 sword 'n board/stickybombs mixed wouldn't be nearly as bad

ParanoidDrone

02-09-2010, 04:17 AM

Would you prefer 3 Snipers? Is there any other way to play Dustbowl?
Actually, yeah. It's easier to dodge 3 bullets than 24 sticky bombs. :P

wait, were they all stickybombsmen? because that'd make just about anyone rage. 3 and 3 sword 'n board/stickybombs mixed wouldn't be nearly as bad
Yes, all Sticky Launchers and Scottish Resistances. No Demoknights.

(Compounding my frustration is that either I or another Medic died with full Uber at least 5 times. And the Ubers we did pull off were mostly ineffective. I think I'll go do something else before I get too much steam.)

atmuh

02-09-2010, 04:17 AM

Now to the task at hand. You were banned for griefing, and the offense was you placing and then immediatly destroying a sapper. Doing so caused another regular to complain, and as you turn off voice, you did not hear the warning that was given to you by Garian. We have been discussing this and most admins agree that turning off voice is not an excuse. Ignorance of the Law doesn't keep people from trouble. I have my problems with you, but I would personally lift your ban if you would apoligize to Garian.

Seriously, that's all you have to do.

I have said my peace on the matter.
griefing generally is doing something to piss off someone on your own team so doing things to screw with the other team (like going crazy with the dead ringer when it was a joke) is just simply messing with the other team, which is somewhat similar to what i did, but thats besides the point i guess
sure turning off voice may be no excuse but i have said many many MANY times that i have voice off a great deal of the time and many of the admins (including you) take that into consideration when warning my about something that im doing that you dont agree with, and i appreciate that

i DID apologize to garian in irc and basically he turned to the "dont bother playing here because we dont like you" defense which really is what set me off i mean sure there are some people that i have a problem with that play on the ocr server but its not that difficult to just play the game and DEAL WITH IT so id appreciate if the people that dont like me could simply do the same thing

so yes i apologize to whomever i piss off either ingame and in this thread and ill go back to taking the game super seriously and saying basically nothing ingame so as to not potentially piss someone off

Brushfire

02-09-2010, 04:31 AM

griefing generally is doing something to piss off someone on your own team so doing things to screw with the other team (like going crazy with the dead ringer when it was a joke) is just simply messing with the other team, which is somewhat similar to what i did, but thats besides the point i guess
sure turning off voice may be no excuse but i have said many many MANY times that i have voice off a great deal of the time and many of the admins (including you) take that into consideration when warning my about something that im doing that you dont agree with, and i appreciate that

i DID apologize to garian in irc and basically he turned to the "dont bother playing here because we dont like you" defense which really is what set me off i mean sure there are some people that i have a problem with that play on the ocr server but its not that difficult to just play the game and DEAL WITH IT so id appreciate if the people that dont like me could simply do the same thing

so yes i apologize to whomever i piss off either ingame and in this thread and ill go back to taking the game super seriously and saying basically nothing ingame so as to not potentially piss someone off

Again this is the passive aggressive behavior that I mentioned earlier. Now most of our admins do take into account that you play with voice off, but you gotta remember that there are a couple that have much less patience with people, especially one with a rich history as you. I won't say that some of us don't have a bug up our butts about certain members and regulars based on how hey act on the boards and in games. Take A2Z4 for example. Most folks hate him, but I tolerate him because he doesn't mean any harm. He is an idiot sometimes, but he is respectful of the other players and the rules, mostly. Not to point fingers, but you have a less than stellar way of dealing with people and what not. You will argue with everyone given the chance, and then will try to play innocent if someone levis some kind of punishment. I will be the first to admit that I have handed punishments that don't fit the crime against players and even you, but the fact of the matter is that perception of an individual is quite influencial when justice is supposed to be blind.

atmuh

02-09-2010, 04:42 AM

yeah i cant stand a2z4 but i also agree that theres no reason that he should be banned, because banning someone just because people dont like them (even if EVERYONE doesnt like them) is just silly
and yes i like to argue
its interesting because i absolutely hate arguing in real life but i always enjoy a good internet argument
i guess its how i get all my aggressions out or something as i am also not aggressive at all usually
i was able to cool it for a while but its hard because i enjoy arguing on the internet so much!

The Mutericator

02-09-2010, 07:14 AM

Jesus Christ, atmuh, just leave already. Admins, I support you 100% for banning him permanently. I rarely even play on the OCR server, but just trying to follow the thread here is annoying as hell thanks to the constant stream of atmuh whining about whatever has most recently caught his fancy. Maybe now that he's off the OCR server he'll stop posting entirely here, too... that'd be nice.

atmuh

02-09-2010, 07:58 AM

boy you sound mad buddy and you dont even play tf2

Mrs. Bark

02-09-2010, 12:10 PM

Once again my brain has been hijacked, and refuses to sleep. I would like to share why. It probably won't make sense unless you were in-game during the relevant conversation.

BUHLLETED BY LIONTAMER MALWARE WARNING FROM GGOOOGLEZ OH SNAPP

BUHLLETED BY LIONTAMER MALWARE WARNING FROM GGOOOGLEZ OH SNAPP

I apologize for interrupting the conversation in progress with my nonsense!

Garian

02-09-2010, 12:24 PM

i DID apologize to garian in irc and basically he turned to the "dont bother playing here because we dont like you" defense which really is what set me off i mean sure there are some people that i have a problem with that play on the ocr server but its not that difficult to just play the game and DEAL WITH IT so id appreciate if the people that dont like me could simply do the same thing
insincere apologies and passive-aggressive bully tactics are no match for a banhammer at your side. so what that it isn't fair that some admins don't like you and keep banning you, my patience has worn thin enough and i'm willing to take the word of anyone else over yours because you've been given far too many "last chances." the reason you were banned is because you were deliberately spamming the place sapper and destroy sapper commands and i received multiple complaints about it, in fact many people assumed you were using a script knowing it would be more than merely annoying such as standard sapper spam. as for the ban being permanent, i feel that people let you off the hook too easily and that it's far more constructive for you to appeal each time considering your history.

edit: thank you mrs. bark, i love you so much for letting me get first post on this page :)

Bleck

02-09-2010, 01:16 PM

passive-aggressive bully tactics

http://ocremix.org/images/template/header_alt.jpg

ParanoidDrone

02-09-2010, 02:51 PM

I don't get it, Bleck.

edit: thank you mrs. bark, i love you so much for letting me get first post on this page :)
Not when you change your posts per page settings, nyah~ :P

(Mrs. Bark, I dearly wish I was present for the conversation in question.)

Black Waltz

02-09-2010, 03:05 PM

I don't get it, Bleck.

Not when you change your posts per page settings, nyah~ :P

(Mrs. Bark, I dearly wish I was present for the conversation in question.)

You pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say, haha.

Darlos9D

02-09-2010, 03:28 PM

Wow Bark, I wasn't exactly expecting that when I came here. Good show.

Also, damn Narf for getting the Axtinguisher trophy.

Garian

02-09-2010, 03:34 PM

Not when you change your posts per page settings, nyah~ :P
hyuk, i hadn't thought of that. DEFAULT FOR LIFE!

DarkeSword

02-09-2010, 03:37 PM

Once again my brain has been hijacked, and refuses to sleep. I would like to share why. It probably won't make sense unless you were in-game during the relevant conversation.

http://www.witc hscauldron.net/temp/drmrsbarkthemusical.jpg

http://www.witc hscauldron.net/temp/drmrsbarksoundtrack.jpg

I apologize for interrupting the conversation in progress with my nonsense!

Fantastic, though the moratorium on that joke is still in effect when I am present. >:|

The Mutericator

02-09-2010, 04:15 PM

Piddler on the Roof

This had me cracking up a lot. Well played!

Darlos9D

02-09-2010, 05:37 PM

Fantastic, though the moratorium on that joke is still in effect when I am present. >:|I was wondering about this...

atmuh

02-09-2010, 06:00 PM

insincere apologies and passive-aggressive bully tactics are no match for a banhammer at your side. so what that it isn't fair that some admins don't like you and keep banning you, my patience has worn thin enough and i'm willing to take the word of anyone else over yours because you've been given far too many "last chances." the reason you were banned is because you were deliberately spamming the place sapper and destroy sapper commands and i received multiple complaints about it, in fact many people assumed you were using a script knowing it would be more than merely annoying such as standard sapper spam. as for the ban being permanent, i feel that people let you off the hook too easily and that it's far more constructive for you to appeal each time considering your history.

edit: thank you mrs. bark, i love you so much for letting me get first post on this page :)
how has your patience been worn thin i havent played with you in months
and what would be the difference if i was using a script or not
theres nothing banworthy about scripts

Eulogic

02-09-2010, 06:04 PM

why can't everyone just love everyone

Black Waltz

02-09-2010, 06:06 PM

why can't everyone just love everyone

We can all gather in a circle around a campfire and sing kumbaya.

Bleck

02-09-2010, 06:51 PM

why can't everyone just love everyone

because that wouldn't be elitist

Dr. Tran!

02-10-2010, 01:54 PM

Hoo boy, I haven't posted in awhile :o

As it is, Atmuh, what you were doing was griefing. It was complained about, and an admin dealt with it. This isn't a democratic whatchamacallit, so I could theoretically get on the OCR server one day, say "hi" in chat, and get banned. The admins have full reign over what they do on their server.

Compound the fact that you were griefing with the fact that you have a history of doing this, (and lying about it. "I haven't !votebanned in ages" then a few posts later "ok so I did it 5 days ago), means that the admins, when they're faced with you causing issues again, are going to be far less lenient about it. Do you have to like it? No. It's their rules. And I can't suggest enough that if you don't like it, don't play here.

I haven't been here long enough to know your entire history (only the snippets I've heard about), but from what I've seen of your mannerisms here on the forums, I entirely believe you've been a pain in the past and that the admins are finally just done giving you chances.

Also I totally need to play tf2 more, but every time I get on, Miyako is playing demoman and makes me hate the game with how good he is compared to me. /shakefist.

ParanoidDrone

02-10-2010, 05:31 PM

I actually haven't seen Miyako play Demoman much recently. Then again, I'm on at rather odd hours.

atmuh

02-10-2010, 08:40 PM

(and lying about it. "I haven't !votebanned in ages" then a few posts later "ok so I did it 5 days ago)
those are two completely different things

Powerlord

02-10-2010, 11:18 PM

Jaswald:
I see your Steam nick is currently "Jaswald: still no Reserve Slot"
Why exactly do you think you don't have a reserved slot? It was added at the same time I added ST Turnip, Crit-Magnet, Dr. Waltz, Overcoat, and Mrs. Bark; on January 8, 2010 at 10:40 PM EST.

Powerlord

02-11-2010, 10:53 AM

ParanoidDrone

02-11-2010, 01:13 PM

I updated the stats program both on the webserver and the server plugin. Hopefully this prevents some of the weird stats we've seen in the past... oh and if it made the ribbons/daily awards that weren't working before work, that's all the better.
I'm loving some of the new artwork they have for the awards. Lucky Duck in particular.

Necro

02-11-2010, 03:47 PM

I updated the stats program both on the webserver and the server plugin. Hopefully this prevents some of the weird stats we've seen in the past... oh and if it made the ribbons/daily awards that weren't working before work, that's all the better.

Very cool. I see ribbons for the Soldier and Demoman weapons. Does this mean that the new weapons are now being tracked in the global weapons stats? And does anyone find all the information in Hlstats really addictive?

Powerlord

02-11-2010, 06:59 PM

Very cool. I see ribbons for the Soldier and Demoman weapons. Does this mean that the new weapons are now being tracked in the global weapons stats? And does anyone find all the information in Hlstats really addictive?

Yes, the new weapons are being tracked now.

The upgrade was easier than I thought it would be. I'll have to make sure I keep up with the HLStatsX updates rather than letting a bunch of versions go by.

Also, I'm going to manually redo Sourcemod on RED soon. Right now, it's an exact copy of BLU's but with one file different. However, each files is individually linked at the moment, and that extremely fragile. I'm going to change it to link entire directories except the configs directory, which will be linked on a per-file basis.

ParanoidDrone

02-11-2010, 11:10 PM

Very cool. I see ribbons for the Soldier and Demoman weapons. Does this mean that the new weapons are now being tracked in the global weapons stats? And does anyone find all the information in Hlstats really addictive?
Yes, it is addictive.

And lol @ "Skill Rockets" and "Skill Stickies." Or whatever the Direct Hit/Scottish Resistance awards are called. "Skill" is in both of them.

chivesontheweb

02-12-2010, 08:27 PM

I was really into Stats until we changed stat systems or whatever so they reset.

I still check them occasionally and they are still pretty cool.

Powerlord

02-13-2010, 12:10 AM

Updates to Team Fortress 2 and Day of Defeat: Source have been updated. These are just contain client-only fixes. The specific changes include:

- Fixed a case of client-side hitching caused by writing a file to the hard drive too frequently

Also, sorry that I haven't been on too much this week. I've been bogged down with homework, plus my Internet connection has been sucking... I need to call my ISP and complain.

Eulogic

02-13-2010, 05:18 PM

I think jimmy still doesn't have reserve slot.

Powerlord

02-14-2010, 07:30 AM

I think jimmy still doesn't have reserve slot.

What's his in-game name? I dunno about the other admins, but I tend to lose track if people ask for them in game.

That and we post them for one other admin to approve, and I think all the ones in that request list have been processed.

Edit: Also, the program we use for stats has been updated again, but I haven't updated our install yet. I'll probably update it sometime on Monday afternoon (I have Monday off because it's a federal holiday).

atmuh

02-14-2010, 07:32 AM

jerrybean
he changes his name a lot
his steam id is STEAM_0:1:23915679

Brycepops

02-14-2010, 01:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNnftq744I - I don't even...

Secret Agent Man

02-14-2010, 02:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNnftq744I - I don't even...
Brilliant!

Clefairy

02-15-2010, 02:09 AM

Brilliant!

Seconded.

Not to drudge up an old debate, but I'm still holding out that the Pyro is a woman. An ironically pyrophobic woman with horrific burn scarring over most of her body, granted, but a woman nonetheless.

Brushfire

02-15-2010, 05:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNnftq744I - I don't even...

That video had the cutest ending ever.

As for the whole Pyro is a girl, that would still rule.

Darlos9D

02-15-2010, 04:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNnftq744I - I don't even...
Wow, I really should've seen the ending coming. Lulz were had.

And yes, I can dig girl Pyro. Chances are Valve will never reveal anything about the Pyro though. Hell, the Spy WISHES he was that enigmatic.

Still we need Meet The videos for both the Medic and the Pyro. C'mon Valve!

Powerlord

02-15-2010, 06:58 PM

I've updated Sourcemod to 1.3.1, HLStatsX CE to 1.6.7, HLStatsX's SuperLogs plugin to 1.4.6, and one or two other things that seem to have slipped my mind. Report any errors you find.

atmuh

02-15-2010, 07:19 PM

Still we need Meet The videos for both the Medic and the Pyro. C'mon Valve!
there are problems with the medic voice actor which is why they havent released a meet the medic and probably wont
as far as pyro i dont really know (or care to be honest)

Powerlord

02-15-2010, 07:20 PM

Oh, I changed some permission flags around to fix a bug that let anyone (even pub users) use !cancelvote, so if anyone who has a reserved slot is missing admin menu items, let me know.

Hemophiliac

02-16-2010, 02:24 AM

i was about to come in here and post the spy and pyro vid and noticed someone already had...

all i can say is...wow

well made, but wow

(long time since i posted here) x.x

Powerlord

02-16-2010, 08:54 PM

So, I found that I need to make a configuration change for Superlogs for it to track heavy sandvich eating for the Hungry, Hungry Heavy Daily Award.

I'll change it later when I'm not in class.

ParanoidDrone

02-16-2010, 09:05 PM

Sounds like when it didn't track backstabs.

Powerlord

02-16-2010, 09:13 PM

Sounds like when it didn't track backstabs.

Well, in this case, they just aren't be logged at all, rather than simply not being tracked correctly.

All the other achievements appear to be working. The only ones not awarded yesterday are some of the taunt-kill ones, Baseball kills ("Fly Ball"), Chargin' Targe kills ("Got something for ya!"), shovel kills ("Gravedigger," because people rarely use the Shovel), Bone Saw kills ("The Saw," because people rarely use the Bonesaw), some of the deflect ones, the pumpkin bomb one (only available on harvest_event), and the telefrag one ("Lucky Duck").

Hungry Hungry Heavy and Got something for ya! are the only two awards to never be awarded; I'll see if there's something to fix the targe one while I'm looking.

On a different note, my most used Weapon is The Huntsman now rather than The Knife. This apparently changed the last time I played... which incidentally was also when I passed 300 hours as Spy.

Edit: OK, who's the joker who changed RED to harvest_event?

Powerlord

02-16-2010, 10:51 PM

Although, now that I look, it's possible to disable logging of backstabs with Superlogs, it's just that it defaults to on.

Anyway, I turned on all the logging options, they'll take effect on the next map change.

atmuh

02-16-2010, 11:28 PM

Edit: OK, who's the joker who changed RED to harvest_event?
whats wrong with harvest event?
id say its more fun than the regular harvest

Kenogu Labz

02-16-2010, 11:46 PM

It's always fun to just stand there and listen to the heavies screaming like little girls with their heads cut off.

Oops, there I go mixing expressions.

Powerlord

02-17-2010, 12:01 AM

Miyako stole my Wayne (Revolver kills) global award!

More people need to play tonight so I can steal it back!

(I gained the global Urine for a Surprise (Jarated players) award at the same time, though)

ParanoidDrone

02-17-2010, 12:34 AM

I'm mostly disappointed that Chili managed to steal the global backstab award from me. I'll need to get that one back eventually. I don't think I need to worry about losing Diplomatic Immunity anytime soon, though. (Ambassador kills.)

EDIT: Well, I assume that the update came with a stat wipe. Or something. Because the numbers are totally mixed up from what I remember. This'll make things easier. >D

Brushfire

02-17-2010, 02:56 AM

I lost the global Flag Caps award to !!, but no one will ever take my Global Backburn award. That plum is mine for life.

SporkNinjaDraken

02-17-2010, 10:25 AM

Huh... lost my global flaregun award to Narf even though before Brushfire was my closest competitor and my total flaregun kills went from 100-something to 40-something.

Well that sucks Flaregun was my only global award D: and I doubt I'll get it back.

Sporknight

02-17-2010, 12:50 PM

I lost the global Flag Caps award to !!, but no one will ever take my Global Backburn award. That plum is mine for life.

That's because nobody wants it. Duh.

Brushfire

02-17-2010, 01:18 PM

That's because nobody wants it. Duh.

I know that, but I don't want to admit it...

SporkNinjaDraken

02-17-2010, 03:57 PM

I know that, but I don't want to admit it...
I kinda want it.

Just so you have some competition but then again whenever you Pyro you gain a pocket medic...

(which I am guilty of doing)

so I doubt I'll ever get near it.

chivesontheweb

02-17-2010, 08:38 PM

To be honest, I'm willing to give the Backburner another try, mostly for the lols. Maybe I could make a video about it. However, I don't have any Backburners right now because I've crafted them all away. I'll have to wait for a drop.

Joseki

02-17-2010, 09:00 PM

How do I have the Skill Rockets award? I haven't used the Direct Hit in a looong time...

Powerlord

02-17-2010, 10:38 PM

How do I have the Skill Rockets award? I haven't used the Direct Hit in a looong time...

If it's the global award, then... actually, I dunno. I don't think Direct Hit kills were tracked until just a few days ago...

Oh, speaking of stuff, I have the Revolver award back... and increased my lead on the Urine for a Surprise award (74 Jarates yesterday. :D)

Also, I managed to get 3 Huntsman headshots in a row before being headshotted by an enemy sniper with a rifle on ctf_well yesterday. :D

Necro

02-18-2010, 01:45 AM

Also, I managed to get 3 Huntsman headshots in a row before being headshotted by an enemy sniper with a rifle on ctf_well yesterday. :D

That was pretty cool.

It seems like the only global award I lost was Scout Bat Kills. I should fix this soon. On the good side, I now have Global Scattergun Kills as well.

Powerlord

02-18-2010, 01:46 AM

That was pretty cool.

It seems like the only global award I lost was Scout Bat Kills. I should fix this soon. On the good side, I now have Global Scattergun Kills as well.

I want to play tonight to see if I can eventually steal some other (Huntsman?) awards, but I have homework to work on... and it looks everyone jumped off of the server anyway.

ParanoidDrone

02-18-2010, 01:47 AM

If it's the global award, then... actually, I dunno. I don't think Direct Hit kills were tracked until just a few days ago...

Oh, speaking of stuff, I have the Revolver award back... and increased my lead on the Urine for a Surprise award (74 Jarates yesterday. :D)

Also, I managed to get 3 Huntsman headshots in a row before being headshotted by an enemy sniper with a rifle on ctf_well yesterday. :D
Once the War Update went live and I got a few kills with the new weapons, they appeared in the list of weapons for my personal stats, but there was no name/picture associated with it. I'd assume the HLStats update merely attached awards and pretty cosmetics to the data that was already there.

Powerlord

02-18-2010, 01:48 AM

Once the War Update went live and I got a few kills with the new weapons, they appeared in the list of weapons for my personal stats, but there was no name/picture associated with it. I'd assume the HLStats update merely attached awards and pretty cosmetics to the data that was already there.

You're probably right with that. Good point. I'm not sure exactly what the database updates they've made between versions changed.

SporkNinjaDraken

02-18-2010, 04:35 AM

I think it was counting kills with the Eyelander as Knife kills for a while since it was telling me my favourite weapon was the Knife for quite a bit then after the update went up it changed to eyelander.

chivesontheweb

02-18-2010, 01:58 PM

Working on a cool little TF2 project. I just have to put some finishing touches on the preview and it'll be ready to upload. Hope you guys like it.

atmuh

02-18-2010, 02:05 PM

shotgun heavy video
you got beat to it!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzjlXdTdIY)
just kidding ill watch it

chivesontheweb

02-18-2010, 02:10 PM

I knew it was a bit obvious haha :-P

I assure you my video will have a wildly different style than Meatvich. When I started Shotgun Heavy I didn't even know that somebody else had already 'done it', so to speak. Doesn't really matter.

Meeting_Gman

02-18-2010, 02:12 PM

there are problems with the medic voice actor which is why they havent released a meet the medic and probably wont
as far as pyro i dont really know (or care to be honest)

What are the problems? Any time they release any video with the Medic having some part in it, they always use old voice clips for him, so I just assumed they didn't have a contract with that particular voice actor anymore or that he was currently busy doing other work.

Either way, disheartening news to hear.

ParanoidDrone

02-18-2010, 03:17 PM

Darlos9D

02-18-2010, 08:29 PM

shotgun heavy video
you got beat to it!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzjlXdTdIY)
just kidding ill watch it
I need to try some shotgun heavy. I tend to love the shotgun. Hell, I think I kill more people with it than the flamethrower as Pyro.

I know what I'm doing tonight...

atmuh

02-18-2010, 08:39 PM

Hell, I think I kill more people with it than the flamethrower as Pyro.
shotgun+poofing for defense pyro is the only decent way to play pyro

chivesontheweb

02-18-2010, 10:21 PM

Okay guys. Enjoy the preview, although it also stands on its own because I will not be using the same music or footage in the resulting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLXphBE5aw&hd=1

FireSlash

02-19-2010, 02:06 PM

shotgun heavy video
you got beat to it!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzjlXdTdIY)
just kidding ill watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mC6b-h7hWo

Meeting_Gman

02-19-2010, 02:31 PM

AFAIK, unlike the other class voice actors, the Medic's voice actor is actually a professional, so they keep running into scheduling conflicts. He voiced Travis Touchdown, for instance, so I'm sure he was tied up with No More Heroes 2 until recently.

I was reading his Wikipedia entry yesterday. It blew my mind that he had voiced Travis Touchdown. I guess that explains why Travis has such ear piercing screams.

atmuh

02-19-2010, 05:49 PM

Okay guys. Enjoy the preview, although it also stands on its own because I will not be using the same music or footage in the resulting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zLXphBE5aw&hd=1
you should get someone to capture the video in fraps for you that has a nicer computer

chivesontheweb

02-20-2010, 01:27 AM

Why fraps? The video quality is great until Windows Movie Maker has its way with it. I might look at other programs, maybe.

Or were you referring to something other than video quality?

The Mutericator

02-20-2010, 01:45 AM

Necro

02-20-2010, 03:49 AM

What is the HUD in that video?

It might be Flame's Hud. It looks similar, if nothing else.

http://code.google.com/p/flamehud/

miyako

02-20-2010, 04:21 AM

m0re's hud

ParanoidDrone

02-20-2010, 04:47 AM

In the spirit of the Winter Olympics, imagine the Heavy in a figure skating competition.

"GET EN POINTE, STUPID!"

The Mutericator

02-20-2010, 05:43 AM

In the spirit of the Winter Olympics, imagine the Heavy in a figure skating competition.

"GET EN POINTE, STUPID!"

Goddammit, Paranoid, I cannot unimagine this.

ParanoidDrone

02-20-2010, 05:45 AM

Someone who can draw needs to get on this, STAT.

atmuh

02-20-2010, 10:37 AM

Why fraps? The video quality is great until Windows Movie Maker has its way with it. I might look at other programs, maybe.

Or were you referring to something other than video quality?
well it looks like youre recording with dx8 and the textures on low

also yeah use sony vegas

Necro

02-20-2010, 05:30 PM

m0re's hud

Link to more's HUD for the lazy.

http://m0re.nocrits.com/index.php?site=files&cat=3

chivesontheweb

02-20-2010, 07:12 PM

well it looks like youre recording with dx8 and the textures on low

also yeah use sony vegas
Yes, DX8 but textures are on high. That's how I play so that's how I record.

And yeah, I'll go "find" Sony Vegas. :-P

atmuh

02-20-2010, 07:14 PM

oh yeah it looks a LITTLE better imo if you turn all custom stuff including huds back to the default for capturing or maybe thats just a little thing that only bothers me

chivesontheweb

02-20-2010, 07:32 PM

ParanoidDrone

02-20-2010, 08:09 PM

I'd suggest the default TF2 HUD in whatever mode makes it take up less space. It's in the option menu somewhere. But that's me.

atmuh

02-20-2010, 08:51 PM

Understandable, but I prefer to show how I actually play. That works well for most of my videos but with a new frag video I should turn the production values up a notch...

I might see if I can't change the HUD a bit. A few things like the lime green crosshair and such could go during recording demos. I'll look around and maybe will use a prettier minimalist HUD for recording videos. I'd appreciate more people telling me what they would like best.
yeah as paranoid said just turn on the minimal hud
its how i play the game normally actually even though i used to have one of those fancier huds (that i made myself because i hate all the ones people have posted for various reasons) but it got deleted during an update and i didnt back it up and didnt care enough to do it again

if you wanna get 1920x1080 (since youtube does 1080p now) all settings max captures just send me your demos and ill do em for you

ParanoidDrone

02-20-2010, 09:20 PM

if you wanna get 1920x1080 (since youtube does 1080p now) all settings max captures just send me your demos and ill do em for you
That's pretty kickass of YouTube. And my monitor is 1920x1200. 8O

Now if only I could get the "startmovie moviename avi" command to play nice...

atmuh

02-20-2010, 09:23 PM

ive tried using that so many times
it NEVER works dont bother

ParanoidDrone

02-20-2010, 11:50 PM

Powerlord

02-21-2010, 03:48 AM

So, by popular request, koth_harvest_event (the Halloween map) will be back on the BLU nomination list.

I also added the arena maps back, but eh.

Brushfire

02-21-2010, 04:22 AM

I also added the arena maps back, but eh.

WOO HOO!!

Also atmuh, I am looking to get a new TF2 hud, and was wodering if you know of a repository of huds somewhere on the internet, that isn't FPSbanana. FPSB kinda blows in that respect.

Black Waltz

02-21-2010, 07:06 AM

So I just got out of a game of ctf_well and I have to adamantly motion that we remove it from rotation.

Brushfire

02-21-2010, 07:35 AM

I agree, let's put Turbine back in.

atmuh

02-21-2010, 08:51 AM

Well, it's either that or the command that gives you a bunch of .tga files and a .wav that you need to make into a .avi yourself, which a) requires extra software and b) eats up a FUCKTON of memory. So I'd rather not go down that route if I can help it.
ill capture your stuff if you want
WOO HOO!!

Also atmuh, I am looking to get a new TF2 hud, and was wodering if you know of a repository of huds somewhere on the internet, that isn't FPSbanana. FPSB kinda blows in that respect.
by huds what do you mean
if you mean like the fancy PRO style im not sure if you mean replacements for the characters theres http://mods.fightingamphibians.org/ (use mine)

and turbine is the best ctf map

ParanoidDrone

02-21-2010, 05:51 PM

ill capture your stuff if you want
I'll keep that in mind if I ever get fed up with the process beyond belief.

chivesontheweb

02-21-2010, 07:26 PM

ctf_well is one of the maps I like to play every once in a long while but is never rtv'd to, along with cp_egypt, plr_pipeline, koth_nucleus, and some variety of sawmill. I don't think ctf_well should be on rotation but I'll never get to play it otherwise.

But we're attempting to appeal to the majority, aren't we? So the most agreeable maps go in rotation and if the majority decide they want to play a map that's not on rotation we rtv for it. That's the fair way to do it.

ill capture your stuff if you want
Tempting, but I like the process I have for recording my own videos right now. But maybe I'll change my mind before it's all over, which won't be too soon.

Black Waltz

02-21-2010, 09:11 PM

ctf_well is one of the maps I like to play every once in a long while but is never rtv'd to, along with cp_egypt, plr_pipeline, koth_nucleus, and some variety of sawmill. I don't think ctf_well should be on rotation but I'll never get to play it otherwise.

But we're attempting to appeal to the majority, aren't we? So the most agreeable maps go in rotation and if the majority decide they want to play a map that's not on rotation we rtv for it. That's the fair way to do it.

Yes, I agree with this; egypt, pipeline and nucleus have the potential to be fun if not played too often, but too bad the majority only wants to play dustbowl or badwater. Is there anyway to remove dustbowl and/or badwater from the rtv list so it's only playable in rotation?

atmuh

02-21-2010, 09:15 PM

egypt is a good map

Powerlord

02-21-2010, 09:22 PM

Is there anyway to remove dustbowl and/or badwater from the rtv list so it's only playable in rotation?

Now, if you said dustbowl, goldrush, and 2fort, I'd agree.

egypt is a good map

Egypt has way too many height-based areas in a game that really isn't built balanced for it. Egypt Part 1, Point B is by far the worst capture point I've ever seen in a map shipped with the game*. Incidentally, this is also the issue between points A and B on frontier.

tl;dr egypt is the cp version of hoodoo.

*Ignoring arena and payload maps.

atmuh

02-21-2010, 09:27 PM

Egypt Part 1, Point B is by far the worst capture point I've ever seen in a map shipped with the game*.
dustbowl 3-2 and junction 3 are worse

btw junction is a good map

Black Waltz

02-22-2010, 12:42 AM

Now, if you said dustbowl, goldrush, and 2fort, I'd agree.

Egypt has way too many height-based areas in a game that really isn't built balanced for it. Egypt Part 1, Point B is by far the worst capture point I've ever seen in a map shipped with the game*. Incidentally, this is also the issue between points A and B on frontier.

tl;dr egypt is the cp version of hoodoo.

*Ignoring arena and payload maps.

TBH, I haven't played goldrush in the longest time, so I kind of miss it. And 2fort is a given, so don't think I actually enjoy playing that map.

Egypt 1-2 is probably the only reason I don't always nominate the map. It's usually just a clusterfuck of sentries, snipers and demospam for RED and BLU never has a proper approach to take everything down.

EdgeCrusher

02-22-2010, 03:50 AM

Bitches love my towering pillar of hats.

ParanoidDrone

02-22-2010, 05:18 AM

I officially have a vendetta against Ubel and his Level 1 Sentries that my team is incapable of taking out.

That is all.

</bitter>

Kenogu Labz

02-22-2010, 05:31 AM

When I get killed by Level 1 Sentries, it terrifies me more than being blatantly squashed by a Level 3 Sentry. Probably because they're so stinking hard to uproot from corners. Stupid knockback... *mutter, grumble*

chivesontheweb

02-22-2010, 01:42 PM

atmuh

02-22-2010, 02:04 PM

its a poorly designed map but i enjoy it

Necro

02-22-2010, 04:32 PM

its a poorly designed map but i enjoy it

Junction tends to get worse exponentially as teams expand past 6 VS 6. This combined with the difficulty with attacking the final point make Junction hard to like.

Necro

02-22-2010, 04:35 PM

I officially have a vendetta against Ubel and his Level 1 Sentries that my team is incapable of taking out.

That is all.

</bitter>

It didn't help that our team had 3 Soldiers patrolling the point and roof with a Scout doing rounds and hunting down Spies.

Necro

02-22-2010, 04:36 PM

Bitches love my towering pillar of hats.

Congrats. Your profile is now a full foot taller. I put you in charge of reaching high places and the top shelf.

Necro

02-22-2010, 05:04 PM

Someone was complaining about how often we play Gravelpit so I thought I bring this map to attention since there has also been talk about map rotations.

It's a new map called Takeback Moutain. It plays like Gravelpit, attack A and B then attack C. They released the final version just yesterday. If we were looking to add a new custom to the rotation this might be worth a look.

I did a quick run through of the map.

It has large open spaces similar to Gravelpit
It has several places offering height advantage
It has several places for Spies to take cover and de-cloak
There are multiple ways to assault each point.

Thread detailing the map. (http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?t=35245)

Walkthroughs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGceXemK2qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ycZ2BvqWNA

Download. (http://users.tpg.com.au/jez261/)

Server running the map 24/7:
southside.zapto.org
(Warning: Austrailia)

atmuh

02-22-2010, 05:40 PM

gravelpit is such a great map

ParanoidDrone

02-22-2010, 05:55 PM

atmuh

02-22-2010, 07:44 PM

i should do this more often (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYiU08oIhU)

Vivi22

02-22-2010, 07:54 PM

i should do this more often (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYiU08oIhU)

That was awesome.

Powerlord

02-22-2010, 11:00 PM

Woo, global award for Pumpkin bombs. I love them Pumpkin bombs.

Is Junction a good map? I only hear bad things and whenever I play there (I think I've played there 3 times) I get lost real bad. Then again, Steel used to lose me something fierce and that map isn't that bad.

Like was already mentioned, Junction is just too small.

It also has some odd bugs, like how BLU can still cap A despite RED also being on the point (this doesn't happen with B or C on the same map).

Someone was complaining about how often we play Gravelpit
Really? I remember complaints about Dustbowl; Badwater; Gold Rush; and Steel, but not about Gravelpit.

Also, iirc too many customs was why cp_furnace (http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5889) got yanked from rotation, and it's also a 3-point Gravelpit style map.

Eulogic

02-22-2010, 11:59 PM

It was probably me. I've complained about pretty much everything.

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 01:20 AM

Also, I think Brushfire is right that the stats that awards are based on got reset at some point.

The global award numbers are all messed up now, too.

Either that or the globals are now affected by the 28 day thing like old weapon data are, which doesn't make sense for global awards.

Edit: As a reminder, stats and ban info is on the OCRTF2 (http://www.ocrtf2.com/) site.

ParanoidDrone

02-23-2010, 01:32 AM

Really? I remember complaints about Dustbowl; Badwater; Gold Rush; and Steel, but not about Gravelpit.
Someone -- can't remember who -- said something to that effect yesterday. It came across as more of a complaint about their team, though.

Also, I think Brushfire is right that the stats that awards are based on got reset at some point.

The global award numbers are all messed up now, too.

Either that or the globals are now affected by the 28 day thing like old weapon data are, which doesn't make sense for global awards.

Edit: As a reminder, stats and ban info is on the OCRTF2 (http://www.ocrtf2.com/) site.
True. I used to have several thousand backstabs; now it's only a few hundred. Our total points, ribbons, and those rankings you get for total kills didn't get reset, but action counters and weapon kills were. It's weird.

EDIT: I wouldn't be surprised if this happened with the update that prettified the new Soldier/Demo weapons and stats.

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 02:50 AM

Only way to fix it:

STATS RESET WOOO!!!!

Necro

02-23-2010, 03:12 AM

STATS RESET WOOO!!!!

<sarcasm>You say it as though stats are unimportant numbers that have no bearing on anything. Are you mad? </sarcasm>

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 03:29 AM

<sarcasm>You say it as though stats are unimportant numbers that have no bearing on anything. Are you mad? </sarcasm>

Just trying to drum up some competition for Back Burner awards man.

But Frogg is at 50000 or so, and a reset wouldn't kill everything.

Necro

02-23-2010, 03:42 AM

Just trying to drum up some competition for Back Burner awards man.

But Frogg is at 50000 or so, and a reset wouldn't kill everything.

Sorry how that came off. I meant it as a joke. But I think you will be hard pressed to find competition for the Back Burner award. The only two people that I have seen using the Back Burner in the past week are Firered and Gamemaster.

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 03:50 AM

The only two people that I have seen using the Back Burner in the past week are Firered and Gamemaster.

And they are no match for my record.

ParanoidDrone

02-23-2010, 04:05 AM

I told Kamikaze earlier and she refused to believe me, but she does in fact have the most Pyro kills on the server. Proof. (http://www.ocrtf2.com/stats/hlstats.php?mode=rolesinfo&role=pyro&game=tf)

Vahn_Paktu

02-23-2010, 04:46 AM

Eulogic

02-23-2010, 04:50 AM

holy crap jimmy has the most demoman kills

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 05:10 AM

When we get the stat reset, lets get rid of that crit kill negative thingy.

/notatallselfserving

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 02:09 PM

OH HEY DOUBLE POST!!

Since atmuh isn't around in chat, lemme answer this for him here.

<atmuh> Joining Frogg's team and pocketing him instead even when you first joined and the team was rolling.
<atmuh> That is teamstacking.
<atmuh> The only reason people don't complain about it is because you don't have matching tags.
<atmuh> But clanstacking isn't whats against the rules, it's general teamstacking
<atmuh> The fact that you even ask "how" is rather comical in of itself.

So, opening a soda, and joining Red team, having no prior knowledge of who was winning, losing, or whatever counts as teamstacking eh?

Maybe in crazy atmuh world where everyone is out to get atmuh for being a douche.

Also, there was a scramble right after, and I got moved to your team among things.

Yeah, total teamstack there, as you go to OCR, and so do I.

If anything you were breaking the rules too. So we should both be banned, because that is the stupid ass logic you use to try to win arguments.

atmuh

02-23-2010, 05:50 PM

im pretty sure if i joined with one of my steam friends and they pocketed me every map id get banned

and what rule was i breaking

Meeting_Gman

02-23-2010, 07:12 PM

i should do this more often (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYiU08oIhU)

How did you do that? I recall that telefragging doesn't work on an Ubered person. The two just become stuck inside one another.

atmuh

02-23-2010, 07:41 PM

i honestly have no idea

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 08:27 PM

How did you do that? I recall that telefragging doesn't work on an Ubered person. The two just become stuck inside one another.

Wasn't that fixed a while back?

Also, the stats listed on the global stats may be a bug, showing the wrong number. I'll take a closer look at it later.

WindStrike

02-23-2010, 08:32 PM

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 08:36 PM

I'm not opposed to a stat reset.
On a similar note, due to the new stat tracking. Airshot Rocket (http://www.ocrtf2.com/stats/hlstats.php?mode=actioninfo&action=airshot_rocket&game=tf), Airshot Headshot, (http://www.ocrtf2.com/stats/hlstats.php?mode=actioninfo&action=airshot_headshot&game=tf)Mini-Round Win, (http://www.ocrtf2.com/stats/hlstats.php?mode=actioninfo&action=Mini_Round_Win&game=tf) should get extra points.

Airshot Rockets - This stat is clearly bugged; it's counting all rocket shots as airshots.

Airshot Headshots - Headshots are already awarded extra points.

Mini Round Win - Isn't a player event, so it awards team points instead.

atmuh

02-23-2010, 08:37 PM

For some reason, everyone on my friends' list has been wiped, and I'm not seeing a Steam announcement about it either. Anyone else have this issue?
its happened to a lot of people

and i KNOW ive gotten a few airshot headshots but i dont think they counted

also a stat reset sounds nice

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 08:42 PM

When we get the stat reset, lets get rid of that crit kill negative thingy.

/notatallselfserving

Kills award between 2 and 25 points depending on the skill difference between the players (and subtract half that score from the person killed iirc). Losing 1 point isn't a lot.

Edit: This is before the weapon modifier. For instance, most Melee weapons award 2x the score, the Sandman is 1.75x, a baseball kill is 2.5x, Taunt kills are based on the number of seconds they take (3x-5x), Deflected weapons are 2x, except Deflected Flaregun which is 20x.

Strangely, there is no deflected baseball stat... can you not deflect those?

atmuh

02-23-2010, 08:53 PM

Edit: This is before the weapon modifier. For instance, most Melee weapons award 2x the score, the Sandman is 1.5x, a baseball kill is 2.5x, Taunt kills are based on the number of seconds they take (3x-5x), Deflected weapons are 2x, except Deflected Flaregun which is 20x.

Strangely, there is no deflected baseball stat... can you not deflect those?
you cant reflect flares anymore fyi
and yes you can reflect baseballs

i like the -1 for crit kills for everything but headshots so imo add 1 extra point awarded for headshots and leave it as is
i guess the same could work for backstabs

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 09:04 PM

you cant reflect flares anymore fyi
and yes you can reflect baseballs

i like the -1 for crit kills for everything but headshots so imo add 1 extra point awarded for headshots and leave it as is
i guess the same could work for backstabs

Headshots and backstabs currently award 2 extra points, but I'm not sure if the stats code takes into account that 1 would be subtracted for the crit kill or not.

Also, this is a comment about the beta version of Superlogs 2.0, fixed from 1.4.5 (the version we use):
FIXED airshot_rocket/airshot_headshot should no longer trigger on swimmers.

Which means airshots are bugged in the current version, which explains why the rocket launcher ones are so high.

atmuh

02-23-2010, 09:09 PM

Headshots currently award 2 points, but I'm not sure if the stats code takes into account that 1 would be subtracted for the crit kill or not.
they award 2 points but 1 is subtracted so they only award 1
itd be much nicer if they awarded 2 as they actually require skill to accomplish

are there any posts that you dont edit powerlord??????

atmuh

02-23-2010, 09:24 PM

well there goes that about flares

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:

Engine
-Fixed servers being inappropriately delisted from the master server

Team Fortress 2
Updated CTF_Doublecross
-Improved clipping to prevent players from getting to unintended places
Updated CTF_2Fort
-Fixed Blue players being able to block the Blue spawn room doors to lock in teammates
-Moved the Blue team Sniper wall down to match the Red team Sniper wall
-Updated Russian localization strings
-Fixed the Pyro not being able to deflect enemy flares
-Fixed pipebombs not being removed if they explode in a func_nogrenades zone

Powerlord

02-23-2010, 10:20 PM

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released.

Yeah, and now the Steam servers are screwed up. I can't tell if someone already updated our server, but when I took down RED to update one of them, I got this on startup:
No installation record found at ../orangebox

However, it did eventually pick up which directory the game was in.

Edit: Also, my friends list is now empty following the latest Steam client update.

Edit 2: Both RED and BLU are now back up with the updated files.

Edit 3: "We are aware of an issue that is causing friends not to show up in the friends list. We are working on a fix and hope to have it released soon. Please do not create Support Tickets for this issue." -- Steam Support

Brushfire

02-23-2010, 11:41 PM

Looks like the friends issue was fixed!!

Meeting_Gman

02-24-2010, 02:27 PM

For some reason, everyone on my friends' list has been wiped, and I'm not seeing a Steam announcement about it either. Anyone else have this issue?

Whoo stat reset! ... plus I've been sucking recently, so I'm not opposed to it.

The very same thing happened to Crowbar Man.

Wasn't that fixed a while back?

I wonder...

Also, didn't we have a stat reset just a little bit ago? I had assumed that this: http://www.ocrtf2.com/stats/hlstats.php?game=tf was the new stats page to replace this http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php

I have no preference either way, a stat reset sounds swell.

Now I just wish more lads and lasses would be on the server earlier in the day.

atmuh

02-24-2010, 04:36 PM

im not playing again until they fix this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVEAp7HuQwg)

atmuh

02-24-2010, 09:41 PM

Powerlord

02-24-2010, 11:19 PM

thanks for the quick fix valve

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The major changes include:

Engine
-Fixed servers with bots reporting incorrect player numbers

Team Fortress 2
-Fixed pipebombs not colliding correctly with players

I both left work late and roads are pretty bad right now, so I'm just getting around to updating the servers now.

Edit: Both servers are updated and restarted.

Not sure why BLU hadn't updated earlier, as the master server usually sends a restart required message, but RED hadn't been updated yet and it uses the same files...

ParanoidDrone

02-25-2010, 05:04 AM

By popular request, I recorded demos of what can only be described as the most hilarious French recipes ever. Dropbox link. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2954268/frenchchef.zip)

Darlos9D

02-25-2010, 02:53 PM

Looks like the friends issue was fixed!!
The friends issue is never fixed.

So ronrey...

Powerlord

02-25-2010, 10:50 PM

atmuh

02-25-2010, 10:56 PM

I've been trying the Steam Beta UI that FireSlash (I think) mentioned earlier. It's pretty slick.

It also ditches the IE rendering engine.

The only problem I've seen is that the Library (formerly Games) area is slow to load if you have a lot of games... and I have over 100 games bought through Steam.
i have 154 games and yeah i hate how it organizes games now
i also dont like how in the friends list theres a ton more empty space on the left side so you need to stretch the friends list to see full names (same with steam chat)
i also dont like how it changed chat boxes from being called "name" to "chat with name"
that may seem minor but it makes a difference to me when im managing 3-4 steam chat boxes at once
i also had to restart steam after buying a game to actually install it
another minor thing but its kinda silly how when you click on a game in a store the trailer automatically starts playing but its also automatically muted, the old way was a lot nicer

so yeah i guess it looks nice but i definitely prefer the old steam

Kiyobi

02-25-2010, 11:46 PM

I'm in the UI beta too, it's totally slick, but they're very sloppy about screen real estate. There's so much empty space! D8

ParanoidDrone

02-26-2010, 04:29 AM

I didn't really notice the empty space, but I'm easily distracted by the shiny when it comes to new interfaces.

Jenga

02-26-2010, 08:43 AM

Ever since the new TF2 update my framerate has gone screwy.

Kiyobi

02-26-2010, 10:15 AM

So it's not just me?

Actually, I'm not sure when my TF2 framerates started dropping...

Vivi22

02-26-2010, 01:06 PM

The only problem I've seen is that the Library (formerly Games) area is slow to load if you have a lot of games... and I have over 100 games bought through Steam.

I like having access to the info and everything for games right there when you click on them. It's nice to have info on TF2 updates right in front of me every time they happen for example.

But even with 38 games on my Steam account it's slow as fuck when you first load it. They really better work on that because 38 really isn't that many games.

Powerlord

02-26-2010, 10:47 PM

I made an important change to your server configuration files.

Ha, really very important stuff. Even though I didn't ask first!

atmuh

02-26-2010, 10:50 PM

god no
even though it IS better than final

Kenogu Labz

02-26-2010, 10:59 PM

Yessss, it's on rotation at last! :twisted:

ParanoidDrone

02-26-2010, 11:19 PM

I made an important change to your server configuration files.

Ha, really very important stuff. Even though I didn't ask first!
i c wut u did thar

atmuh

02-28-2010, 01:47 AM

so what IS the current rotation

Powerlord

02-28-2010, 02:00 AM

so what IS the current rotation

koth_viaduct
cp_granary
pl_badwater
cp_dustbowl
cp_yukon_final
cp_gravelpit
cp_gorge
pl_goldrush
ctf_well
cp_badlands
cp_steel
ctf_doublecross
koth_harvest_event
cp_waste_v2

atmuh

02-28-2010, 02:13 AM

odd its played multiple arena maps as if they were on the rotation

Powerlord

02-28-2010, 02:21 PM

I just restarted all the servers.

Apparently, there was an issue with the master servers returning
A2C_PRINT from [master server address] :
No challenge for your address.
A2C_PRINT from [second master server address] :
No challenge for your address.
on every heartbeat.

So, hopefully this will fix the issue with the item drop rate being non-existent, despite loadouts working.

(Since the master servers never actually disconnected, the game servers weren't smart enough to reconnect.)

Edit: It's been a few hours, but the same problem has reappeared. Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 12:45 AM

I'm not exactly sure why I'm the only one that ever says this, but virtually every single time I see frogg on the server and Brushfire joins he always always ALWAYS joins frogg's team and medics him. I don't really get how in any way that's not teamstacking. I know plenty of times in the past there were occasions where even 2 ZUZ or nQa people would join the same team instead of autoassigning and people would complain about it and nowadays the ZUZ guys generally all autoassign which is much nicer, so how is this any different? It's especially silly since the people playing on the OCR generally are always the same bunch, so you're playing with virtually the same people every single night. There's really no reason that you HAVE to play with a specific person every map. You could just as easily autoassign every map and if you do happen to end up on a team with a specific player that you enjoy pocketing then fine go ahead and pocket him then. I do that all the time. I could understand Rambo and Bonzai, since they were a couple, although that did annoy me but at the same time the reasoning was understandable, and Rambo would always wait until most of the people had joined a team so that he could select the team with the "weaker" players to lead to a more balanced match, which usually was the outcome. But in this case, I don't THINK at least that frogg and Brushfire are a couple, but hey if I'm wrong congratulations! I think especially the admin should be setting the example in this case, and as I said before I'm fairly certain that if I got one of my friends that I play on other servers with to hop on the OCR server and pocket me for an entire night people would complain and I'd end up ultimately banned.

By the way I'm not complaining about frogg at all, as he always just autoassigns and Brushfire always joins his team later on.

ParanoidDrone

03-02-2010, 12:50 AM

But in this case, I don't THINK at least that frogg and Brushfire are a couple, but hey if I'm wrong congratulations!
This made me lol. Just saying.

Brushfire

03-02-2010, 01:22 AM

By the way I'm not complaining about frogg at all, as he always just autoassigns and Brushfire always joins his team later on.

First off, yes you are complaining if you went at that length to talk about this.

Secondly, the TF2 gods either love me and frogg, or hate you. As I did a little experiment with auto-assign and got 4 autos in a row that put me on Frogg's team.

Yeah, total stackage there d00d.

Edit: Also Pocketing is one thing, but I heal uniformly across the board.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 01:36 AM

First off, yes you are complaining if you went at that length to talk about this.

Secondly, the TF2 gods either love me and frogg, or hate you. As I did a little experiment with auto-assign and got 4 autos in a row that put me on Frogg's team.

Yeah, total stackage there d00d.
I said I was complaining but that I wasn't complaining about frogg. That really wasn't that difficult to discern. And it really doesn't matter if now you decided to mess around with autoassign and that it put you on frogg's team a few times. What does matter is that you explicitly joined his team numerous times in the past week+ (I could give exact dates and times and logs don't lie, as well as demos), and that you still deny that there is anything wrong with it.

Brushfire

03-02-2010, 01:43 AM

I said I was complaining but that I wasn't complaining about frogg. That really wasn't that difficult to discern. And it really doesn't matter if now you decided to mess around with autoassign and that it put you on frogg's team a few times. What does matter is that you explicitly joined his team numerous times in the past week+ (I could give exact dates and times and logs don't lie, as well as demos), and that you still deny that there is anything wrong with it.

When did I ever say that there wasn't anything wrong with it? So stacking is what I am on trial for, but you seem to conveniently forget all those times that teams were indeed stacked, and I scramble teams, even though I am so desperately trying to win, that I always join Frogg's team.

Hmm...

I seem to be failing at team stacking pretty hard when I want to keep the teams even.

So yeah, I will ask one last time, stop trying to pick a fight with me.

Just stop it, leave me and my business out of your daily routine.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 02:10 AM

When did I ever say that there wasn't anything wrong with it?
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> I totally teamstack
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> Whatcha gonna do about it?
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> Nothing.
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> That's what I thought
So stacking is what I am on trial for, but you seem to conveniently forget all those times that teams were indeed stacked, and I scramble teams, even though I am so desperately trying to win, that I always join Frogg's team.
I've never seen you scramble the teams, especially when you join frogg's team, which happens quite a bit. There was one time that I remember that someone !votescrambled and the vote passed and you were placed on a separate team and it stayed that way, but that was the only time I ever saw that happen.
I seem to be failing at team stacking pretty hard when I want to keep the teams even.
Oh come on. First you say:
20:31 | <<Brushfire>> Yeah, cause when I join a team that has one less than the other, and it so happens to have frogg, it stacking
and now you're somehow saying that you're making an effort to keep the teams even? With the distribution of skill on the OCR server with the current playerbase teams are usually pretty balanced with everyone just autoassigning. And really, I remember one game one week ago (I remember the exact date and time and map and the logs are all there) in which you joined a dustbowl game and RED was rolling BLU (RED had tons of dominations on the board and BLU had none) and both teams had 11 players and you elected to join RED (which incidentally frogg was on) instead of autoassigning which would have placed you on BLU so please don't preach to me about joining specific teams in an attempt to keep the teams even.
So yeah, I will ask one last time, stop trying to pick a fight with me.
I'm not picking a fight with you. I'm asking you to abide by the rules that you're so eager to enforce.

Brushfire

03-02-2010, 03:11 AM

20:24 | <<Brushfire>> I totally teamstack
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> Whatcha gonna do about it?
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> Nothing.
20:24 | <<Brushfire>> That's what I thought

(See right here is what I am talking about. Sarcasm that you spin for your own amusement. Don't bother posting the rest of the convo either while your at it.)

I've never seen you scramble the teams, especially when you join frogg's team, which happens quite a bit. There was one time that I remember that someone !votescrambled and the vote passed and you were placed on a separate team and it stayed that way, but that was the only time I ever saw that happen.

(You play hardly half the time I and Frogg are on. Not my problem you are only half researching everything)

Oh come on. First you say:
20:31 | <<Brushfire>> Yeah, cause when I join a team that has one less than the other, and it so happens to have frogg, it stacking
and now you're somehow saying that you're making an effort to keep the teams even? With the distribution of skill on the OCR server with the current playerbase teams are usually pretty balanced with everyone just autoassigning. And really, I remember one game one week ago (I remember the exact date and time and map and the logs are all there) in which you joined a dustbowl game and RED was rolling BLU (RED had tons of dominations on the board and BLU had none) and both teams had 11 players and you elected to join RED (which incidentally frogg was on) instead of autoassigning which would have placed you on BLU so please don't preach to me about joining specific teams in an attempt to keep the teams even.

(When I joined Red, I was unaware of the team setup, dominations, or any other thing related to that game AS I OPENED A FUCKING SODA AND CLICKED RED)

I'm not picking a fight with you. I'm asking you to abide by the rules that you're so eager to enforce.

(So ask, I am a civil man myself. You lack tact.)

Now if you want to discuss this further, I would like you to next time your on, talk to me directly, with a microphone. I want to hear you say with your own voice, your side of the story. And we will debate this like two grown men, in front of everybody else in the server.

I am serious about this. We are going to discuss both mine and your actions directly.

If you are as civil as you say you are, then by all means, indulge me.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 03:22 AM

Why would we even need to debate this further? I don't get it you're just going around in circles instead of admitting your mistake. And my mic doesn't work anymore but nice try to get me to talk (or even enable voice when you're on the server).
And what of my actions is there to discuss I mean really?

And even if there was something to discuss, why would we do it on the server? I'm not sure about everyone else but when I load up TF2 and join a server, wherever it may be, I only want to PLAY TF2. If I try to talk to or type to people I just get distracted and play poorly and then get upset at my performance, so I ignore most of the ingame communication and don't participate (on any server) unless it really has something to do with the game itself. I leave discussions for DISCUSSION BOARDS like threads and out of game communication on IRC and other things like that.

Brushfire

03-02-2010, 03:36 AM

First off, your passive aggressive way of handling situations that are better handled with direct contact. Instead of going to the person directly, you flaunt any kind of grievence you have in chat or on the forums.

Next, going back to something that you agreed to stop doing, but still continue to do for some strange reason, telling admins how to do their job. You did fine on this for about 3 days before you started doing it again. It was small at first, but it continually escalates until we have a full on forum battle like this.

You say that I am not admitting that I am wrong. I understand where you are coming from. You think I am going out of my way to join Frogg's team. On the other hand, you disregard luck of the draw. Have I purposely joined Frogg's team before? I'd be lying if I said I didn't. Have I been doing it recently? No, I haven't. If it will set your mind at ease, I will go out of my way to auto-assign.

But you are going about this situation the wrong way.

All you have to do is ask, and I'd be more than happy to oblige.

Also, yeah you caught me. I was totally trying to make you talk and not disable voice and prove that you aren't as douchey as you pretend to be.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 03:38 AM

no matter what i say or how i say it ever in any way you always label it as "passive aggressive" and take that as your wild card

and telling you that i think YOU are breaking the rules is not me telling you how to do your job

and to seriously say that recently EVERY TIME its been luck of the draw is insane being that when ive been there alone i know it had to be at least 10 maps and i dont play half as much as you do
those odds are ridiculous

Brushfire

03-02-2010, 03:40 AM

Perception is 9/10ths of the of the internet drama.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 03:47 AM

only on ocr

Black Waltz

03-02-2010, 04:41 AM

I think we should all just chill out.

I'm sure Brush isn't intentionally joining Frogg's team whenever he doesn't auto-assign for the sake of Frogg. He has other friends that he might want to play with as well that just happen to be on Frogg's team. And Brush doesn't pocket. I've clearly heard him say on mic "Hold on [insert name here], I'll be right there!" and immediately heal him/her whenever someone calls medic.

ParanoidDrone

03-02-2010, 04:45 AM

Also, if you're calling someone out for teamstacking just because they're glued to Frogg as a Medic, then you may as well call out every damn Medic on the server. Frogg's well known as an excellent Heavy that can protect his Medic, so it's only natural for Medics to respond and give him preferential treatment when it comes time to choose who to pocket with.

In unrelated news, Jesus H. Christ I SUCK as Scout.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 04:48 AM

i didnt deny that
i just said that theres no reason to join his team every map

and black waltz basically every time hed join his team hed go medic and yes hed be glued to him wherever i saw him
if you really really really need me to post demos i would but i really dont want to

also im pretty awful as scout but im playing it more and more now

oh and i should have another comical video done sometime soon

Vivi22

03-02-2010, 10:56 AM

and black waltz basically every time hed join his team hed go medic and yes hed be glued to him wherever i saw him
if you really really really need me to post demos i would but i really dont want to

You mean a guy who's a pretty good Medic was on the same team as FROGG and decided to play as Medic and would even go so far as to support him when he's running into battle? The nerve of that guy actually playing smart!

Also, I've seen Brush heal the whole team often enough, even with a really good player on his team, to pretty much be able to say drop it atmuh.

EdgeCrusher

03-02-2010, 11:29 AM

Brush does heal everyone. Even me as a pryo. It's just the "atmuh troll machine" in full effect.

DarkeSword

03-02-2010, 12:30 PM

Atmuh, just drop it.

Sporknight

03-02-2010, 04:01 PM

Clearly, we should just ban Frogg from the server, and none of this would be an issue. :eyeroll:

FireSlash

03-02-2010, 04:14 PM

Congratulations to The Bark and ParanoidDrone for their promotions to Brushfire's whipping bo-- err, Admin!

Meeting_Gman

03-02-2010, 06:42 PM

Autoassign can be pure bunk sometimes. A nice thing to do would be to just look at both teams before you join, we play here often enough, we are familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of others in the game. Take a look at the teams and think to yourself which team you would be more helpful to.

This is unrelated to the current topic at hand.

Necro

03-02-2010, 09:34 PM

In unrelated news, Jesus H. Christ I SUCK as Scout.

Everyone does poorly with Scout at first. I didn't really see any improvement in the way I played till I hit quite a few hours. Your lack of skill is simply likely from a lack of practice. You have less than 10 hours as Scout and it is your second least played class. Practice makes perfect. Luckily your Spy playtime can translate into correct flanking situations, the best thing for a Scout.

Some fun things to do as Scout.

Airstrafe
Watch for low health enemies calling for Medic and pick them off.
Outdamage a Heavy at long range because your pistol does more damage.
Hunt down Spies, you know where they hide.
Harass Heavies at point blank. (Does not apply to all)
Relish Demomen with the Targe. They can do nothing to you.
Pick off Medics, the most important thing.
Steal health from enemy territory.
Abuse the random scatter spread on the server to do 16 damage at long range.
Crouch randomly to avoid Snipers.

There are too many to list.

atmuh

03-02-2010, 10:30 PM

Everyone does poorly with Scout at first. I didn't really see any improvement in the way I played till I hit quite a few hours. Your lack of skill is simply likely from a lack of practice. You have less than 10 hours as Scout and it is your second least played class. Practice makes perfect. Luckily your Spy playtime can translate into correct flanking situations, the best thing for a Scout.

Some fun things to do as Scout.

Airstrafe
Watch for low health enemies calling for Medic and pick them off.
Outdamage a Heavy at long range because your pistol does more damage.
Hunt down Spies, you know where they hide.
Harass Heavies at point blank. (Does not apply to all)
Relish Demomen with the Targe. They can do nothing to you.
Pick off Medics, the most important thing.
Steal health from enemy territory.
Abuse the random scatter spread on the server to do 16 damage at long range.
Crouch randomly to avoid Snipers.

There are too many to list.
yeah scout takes a TON of time to get good at
combined between before and after i reset my stats, ive got over 220 hours as scout and im just starting to improve at it FINALLY but still missing easy meatshots is the most frustrating thing

a few things that id like to add to that list though
take advantage of crit pistols
theyre ridiculous as they do 45 per hit which on a full clip is just insane if you hit with most or all of them
any demo is an easy kill not just targe demos
the only prayer any demo has is well aim pipes which thankfully most demos arent very proficient with them
but really getting a jump on basically any person playing any class no matter how good they are at the game unless MAYBE if theyre an overhealed heavy thats constantly aware of where theyre getting shot from is basically an automatic kill as a scout and why scout really is the most powerful class in the game (unless its dustbowl)

also combat text was an incredibly huge buff to the scout
it helps every class to some degree but id definitely say that it helps the scout most in that after you get a decent meatshot you know EXACTLY how much damage you did which was a lot of guesswork in the past especially with random shotgun spread
its a huge confidence boost to be up against anyone, even a heavy thats staring right at you to see that you just hit him for 110 and can easily finish him off in 2 more shots as you jump around him like a lunatic

oh and hey according to steams game hour calculation (which is shaky but i think mine is fairly accurate) i have just hit 2000 hours playing tf2
im sure a great deal of that is from running steamstats.exe 24/7 back in the day but still

ParanoidDrone

03-02-2010, 10:45 PM

atmuh

03-02-2010, 10:48 PM

I'm not convinced that missing pretty much a full clip of meatshots at point blank is simply because I don't play Scout much.
it is
your ambassador aim is solid so its not your aim itself thats bad
youre just not used to the speed of the scout so you miss as youre moving

one thing i was told many times over but didnt really understand until i really started to practice focusing on is as a scout to aim with the wasd keys and not with the mouse
you miss a lot less

ParanoidDrone

03-02-2010, 10:53 PM

Duly noted.

Tonight I think I'll be Spying most of the time, though. I need to reclaim the Super Sapper global award. <.<

Powerlord

03-02-2010, 10:54 PM

Duly noted.

Tonight I think I'll be Spying most of the time, though. I need to reclaim the Super Sapper global award. <.<

MI... oh wait, I don't have that one.

Although, it IS only you, mrflea, and myself in the contending for it. Strange, since I haven't been playing Spy that often.

ParanoidDrone

03-02-2010, 11:01 PM

MI... oh wait, I don't have that one.

Although, it IS only you, mrflea, and myself in the contending for it. Strange, since I haven't been playing Spy that often.
I attribute it to my recent tendency to play classes I don't normally pull out (Heavy, Demoman, Scout) in a deliberate attempt to broaden my skill. But I still have a reputation to uphold, dammit. <.<

atmuh

03-02-2010, 11:13 PM

Demoman.....skill
but you play sword demo....

ParanoidDrone

03-03-2010, 02:01 AM

but you play sword demo....
I use the Eyelander. I don't necessarily use the Chargin' Targe. Learn the difference, please.

Currently I have the Scottish Resistance equipped, if memory serves.

Chili Con Carnage

03-03-2010, 02:58 AM

I found that Unreal Tournament is wonderful practice for Scout. You move about as fast. Now that I'm getting the hang of Spying around back, though, I'll probably try to get more Scout practice. It's fun.

atmuh

03-03-2010, 03:22 AM

I use the Eyelander. I don't necessarily use the Chargin' Targe. Learn the difference, please.

Currently I have the Scottish Resistance equipped, if memory serves.
i never understood why people did this
well theres always the tactic to get 4 heads with the targe then go swap for the sticky launcher and go nuts but i dont see the logic in using the eyelander without the targe
you really shouldnt melee all that much if youre playing regular demo anyway and if you do and youre on a server with crits on part of the aim when meleeing (at least in many of the times id been forced to) is to get a crit melee and do 195 and that will never happen with the sword unless you use the targe too

but hey i dont mind when opposing demos use the eyelander because uncharged headshots do 150 and the sword is the difference between you dying instantly and being able to go heal

Powerlord

03-03-2010, 04:15 AM

So, was Valve's blog post (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539) about the (cut) Engineer Repair Node mentioned yet?

ParanoidDrone

03-03-2010, 04:40 AM

Clefairy

03-03-2010, 04:48 AM

So, was Valve's blog post (http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3539) about the (cut) Engineer Repair Node mentioned yet?

That was a good read. A lot more insight into Valve's process than usual.

If they do offer unlockable buildings, I hope they come as a set in a different PDA. The mixing and matching discussed in the post seems entirely too troublesome.

atmuh

03-03-2010, 04:53 AM

Atmuh, you're forgetting I play Spy. I'm already used to my melee not critting and dying when the wind blows the wrong way. Besides, I thought the Blutsauger proved that "No critical hits" is pretty much worthless as a tradeoff? (Granted, melee crit rate > normal crit rate, but still.)

Hell, with the Ambassador, I NEVER get random crits as Spy.
the blut was different because the lack of crits was replaced with an overwhelming benefit
in the case of the eyelander youre getting no crits and a huge downgrade

with the blut you only wanted to hit the enemy a few times as you were escaping not kill him because thatd still heal you
in the case of the eyelander to get the bonus you need to nail a killing blow with it which is rather difficult when it only does around 50-60 or whatever the damage is

still the nocrits so its balanced thing is pretty annoying especially since i spend the vast majority of my pubbing on a server with crits off
without crits the eyelander is definitely more inviting but i still dont like getting killed by snipers super easy

and yes melee crits are a lot more powerful than regular crits

oh and now i remember why i prefer regular harvest over harvest event (even though i really hate them both)
my framerate on final is 60 and event is 10