OCR TF2: New Server forthcoming - new server IPs and other stuff

[Bahamut]

OFFICIAL OCR TF2 SERVER: 208.94.245.227 & 208.94.245.228
OFFICIAL OCR TF2 CHAT: #ocrtf2 on ETG (same server as #ocremix)
OCR Server PsychoStats: http://ocrstats.fireslash.net/
For a reserved slot, donate $2 a month to wesley.cho@gmail.com (thanks Bahamut!)
Custom maps used for server: (links below) (download into your TF2 maps folder, usually in /Steam/SteamApps/downloads/(your username)/tf/maps or something like that)
Tuesday OCR Nights PW: ocrtftuesday

For personal (Bahamut) reference: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=73104

Steam Community Group - http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ocremix

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When you send a paypal payment, please list your OCR handle, SteamID, and Steam ID # in the comment field - in order to get your Steam ID #, first make sure the developer console is enabled in TF2 (go to Options -> Keyboard -> Advanced and enable it), and then enter a game. Then press ~ and enter status. Find your steam ID and the # is STEAM_x: x: xxxxx (sans spaces) - copy that whole expression into the comment field. Just in case, send me a PM on OCR to verify the payment & all requisite info is sent.

For admins & reserved slot holders - admin commands are here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/Admin_Commands_(SourceMod) (http://wiki.alliedmods.net/Admin_Commands_%28SourceMod%29) (so entering sm_admin in the console or !admin or /admin in the chat brings up the admin menu). Admins get the full benefit, but reserved slot holders still get voting privileges, including vote kicks/bans (I think).

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Custom maps:

pl_dustbowl_b4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/54701

cp_warpath2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/52314

ctf_convoy_v2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/45247

ctf_hallofdeath: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/38584

ctf_royal_b3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/48291

cp_snowpath_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/46879

pl_cave_b6: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/57377

ctf_mach4: http://www.ozfortress.com/maps/TF2/ctf_mach4

cp_toy_fort_elite: http://tf2.net.pl/download/cp_toy_fort_elite.7z

ctp_epsilon_a2: http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=632

arena_mach2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/65313

arena_starship_v1: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/64649

pl_cranetop_b8: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/65823

pl_haywood_beta6: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/75297

cp_studio_rc4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/46179

cp_castle4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/53925

pl_great_heights_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/73905

ctf_2fort_night2_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/89753

cp_follower: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/92392

cp_industrial_b6: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/84367

pl_woodland_b4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/84206

cp_pacman_wtf: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/83712

pl_mill_b5: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/83135

cp_devilsbrew_final: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/91286

cp_roundhouse_1_2d: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/80130

tc_meridian_b5: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/78729

pl_waste_b4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/78364

dm_quake_castle_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/90688

cp_generator_b3b: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/90417

arena_storm_b1c: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/90318

arena_dailydozen_a2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/90264

arena_greek_v1: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/89946

ctf_staging_a11: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/88993

ctf_highlands_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/87467

cp_ironbowl_b8: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/87045

cp_powercore_b3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/87012

pl_jungle_a1c: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/86128

cp_redfort_b3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/96875

cp_resonance_b8: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/85668

arena_oasis_final: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/85639

cp_piratelife_b4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/95639

cp_rivers_edge_b5: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/85238

pl_zig_b9: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/75786

arena_dust2: http://www.nearlydeaf.com/files/arena_dust2.bsp

pl_frontier: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/74124

pl_repository_rc3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/75969

cp_blackmesa_final: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/94083

ctf_1fort_a5: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/82786

koth_signal: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/107342

pl_borax_rc: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/107298

cp_orange_toyfort_tbrv1: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/107293

pl_swiftwater: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/105583

pl_halfacre: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/72535

cp_glacier_rc: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/101085

[DarkeSword]

I love how I'm still not on the list. xD

[Bahamut]

If you guys play TF2, let us know your steam ID if it's not on the userlist! Feel free to join us on the server for game time.

The map rotation for tonight is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_fastlane
pl_dustbowl_b4
pl_goldrush
cp_granary
cp_dustbowl
ctf_2fort
pl_goldrush

[Powerlord]

This is really going to shock you, but my Steam ID is "Powerlord"

Edit: Oh, and I apparently need to play more, as my rank has now slipped like 40 places.

[Pyrion]

"[GD] Pyrion"

I thought that would've been obvious by now. :(

[Bahamut]

"[GD] Pyrion"

I thought that would've been obvious by now. :(

That's how you appear on the steam friend's list - this isn't the same as the name you log on though on Steam though right? (the one you have to enter the password for)

[atmuh]

love world fried candy




but steam is just atmuh but i probably wont friend any of you as im continuing my breaking away from internets

[Effef]

Effef - Doag Solutions

I likely wont keep that for long, but I always keep my E icon the same.

[NNY]

NNY - DetectiveNo27

And my buddy Mitch is Zombine.

[Dhsu]

Well my SteamID is currently Dhsu {RIMK} (short for "Rambo Is My Kryponite"), but my account name is deeshoo.

[Sporknight]

Nickname - Sporknight
Login - deterb

I woulda been there last night, but the ethernet in my dorm room was down for no reason and the wireless is spotty at best in the dorms.

[Triad Orion]

Nickname: [OCR] Triad Orion
Login: TriadOrion

The local crit rocket magnet's still in town, y'know. XD

[Xerol Oplan]

XerolOplan (surprise)

Edit: And join the TF2 Remix Compo (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17336)!

[Pyrion]

That's how you appear on the steam friend's list - this isn't the same as the name you log on though on Steam though right? (the one you have to enter the password for)

That I'd rather not give out cuz it hails from way back when a Steam login name had to be an email address.

[Master_Yoshi]

Are you guys at all noob friendly (as in someone that has not played this game before?)

[Vivi22]

Edit: Oh, and I apparently need to play more, as my rank has now slipped like 40 places.

I look forward to having to get my rank back up when I get back in a month. A month of not playing is going to suck.

[DarkeSword]

Are you guys at all noob friendly (as in someone that has not played this game before?)

Yes, just make sure you mention it and nobody will yell at you. xD

[Λxem]

Hey please add me to the list :razz:

Nickname: Λxem

[Bahamut]

Here are some map downloads for people (put it in your tf2 maps folder):

pl_dustbowl_b4: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/54701

cp_warpath2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/52314

ctf_convoy_v2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/45247

ctf_hallofdeath: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/38584

ctf_royal_b3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/48291

cp_2skyscraper_b3: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/47607

cp_snowpath_b2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/46879

cp_wolf2_b1: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/50849

pl_cave_b4_2: http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/download/57377

[atmuh]

Are you guys at all noob friendly (as in someone that has not played this game before?)

just dont play on my team or learn that i pretty much yell at everybody no matter what

[Effef]

full server is full

[Bahamut]

just dont play on my team or learn that i pretty much yell at everybody no matter what

I'm the one who yells at bad teammates haha.

But if you say you're a noob, then I'm more forgiving.

And people, download the maps ahead of time - having 10 people download the map at once is not cool. tomorrow pl_dustbowl_b4 will be in the rotation again, so hopefully everyone downloads it ahead of time.

[Sensai]

Is there somewhere where we can download the maps beforehand? Cause, I'd love that. [Edit:] The link to the downloadable maps on the original post is down. That's why I ask.

I had a great time tonight, guys. Thanks for the fun.

Oh, and sorry I had to leave. The girlfriend was getting a little upset. :-/. I hope you guys ended up kicking ZUZ ass.

[Edit:]

And my Steam ID (the thing I log in with) is Antrae, but the name that shows up when I'm playing is LGD|Sensai. Here's a link. Ironically enough, the name attached there is SensaiOpti. I guess I wasn't that decisive when I did all this.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/sensaiopti

Going to join the OCR group now, too. :-D

Like I said earlier, jee jees earlier tonight. Had a lot of fun figuring out Dustbowl, push-the-cart-style with you guys. Glad we won, too. :-D

[Bahamut]

I posted them on the first page :razz:

[Xerol Oplan]

That was an awesome 2fort run. Especially the first one with the scout chain.

[Sensai]

Bahamut, like I said: I ask because the link to the maps is down. It gives me a 404 error when I click the link.

[starla]

TF2 samplepack compo up in this (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?p=431579)

[Bahamut]

Weird, the links work for me right now - try again?

Also the map rotation for the day:

cp_dustbowl
tc_hydro
pl_dustbowl_b4
pl_goldrush
cp_dustbowl
cp_granary
pl_dustbowl_b4
ctf_2fort
pl_goldrush

[Zephyr]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the game, but I've picked it up quick. See you at gametime!
Login: Zephyr_Tread
Nickname: [OCR]Zephyr

[atmuh]

I'm the one who yells at bad teammates haha.

ya i just yell at everyone

[Xerol Oplan]

The server was empty this afternoon so I went around playing some other servers, and some maps I haven't tried before. Toy Fort was one of my favorites, but it's pretty small and simple, so I don't know how well that would work with 12v12.

[Xerol Oplan]

Weird, the links work for me right now - try again?


He means this from the first post:
Custom maps used for server: http://oceansend.com/5502/ocr/tf2/ (download into your TF2 maps folder, usually in /Steam/SteamApps/downloads/(your username)/tf/maps or something like that)

[Powerlord]

That I'd rather not give out cuz it hails from way back when a Steam login name had to be an email address.

Yours too?

Still, my login name and Steam ID are different, as shown by this url: http://steamcommunity.com/id/powerlord

[Sensai]

OFFICIAL OCR TF2 SERVER: 8.9.9.102:27015
OFFICIAL OCR TF2 CHAT: #ocrtf2 on ETG (same server as #ocremix)
OCR Server HLstatsX: http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/
Current Map Rotation: Dustbowl, Fastlane, Turbine, and Goldrush
For a reserved slot, donate $3 a month to wesley.cho@gmail.com (thanks Bahamut!)
Custom maps used for server: http://oceansend.com/5502/ocr/tf2/ (download into your TF2 maps folder, usually in /Steam/SteamApps/downloads/(your username)/tf/maps or something like that)
That last link, the 'Custom maps used for server:' link, does not work for me in any browser I have (Opera, Firefox, Internet Explorer).

[atmuh]

i found my mic :D
i dont think they liked it lulz

[Bahamut]

That last link, the 'Custom maps used for server:' link, does not work for me in any browser I have (Opera, Firefox, Internet Explorer).

Ah don't worry about it, it's kinda outdated.

And so it looks like pl_dustbowl_b4 is getting some popularity - any suggestions for maps for tomorrow?

[Sensai]

2fort, Dustbowl (normal), ctf_mach4, any Orange map....

I actually really enjoyed Hydro tonight, which is rare. I fuckin' hate that map. But tonight, it was a lot of fun.

[Rambo]

ctf_mach4

I actually like this map quite a bit. It's a great map for pretty well all the classes (maybe not heavy). Though I haven't played it in over a month, and perhaps I'll hate it now. lol

Also, Atma's voice is really scary.
EDIT: And I believe my steam account is Heavy_Damage

[Xerol Oplan]

Suggesting Toy Fort again.

[Garian]

oh, i didn't realise steamid actually meant login, mine is garianse but i appear as garian

you guys start 2 hours early for me (except when i decide to hang out with my friend, his days off are tuesday and wednesday), but you know i'll be there when i can. got a chance to check out payload dustbowl, it's actually kinda weird, but i was playing with a small group so that might've been why... i haven't really encountered any maps i dislike, though... also i'm pretty sure i'll go ahead and download the other maps before i start up after work tonight, i spent like 20 minutes downloading pl dustbowl :V

[Bahamut]

So the map rotation atm is:

cp_dustbowl
ctf_mach4
pl_goldrush
cp_dustbowl
cp_granary
cp_orange_x3
ctf_2fort
pl_goldrush

I don't want to put more than 2 custom maps per rotation as they do have a habit of killing the server, but at the same time custom maps are fun.

Thoughts on this rotation?

[Dhsu]

I like. I think I'll tour the maps in advance this time so I'll actually know what's going on.

[Effef]

Orange x3 is really not all that fun, if im honest.

[Xerol Oplan]

ctf_mach4: http://www.ozfortress.com/maps/TF2/ctf_mach4


Getting a "Database Eroor" on this one.

Nevermind, works now.

[Powerlord]

I don't know about you guys, but I've taken to just connecting to empty servers running the maps I want to download and getting them that way.

[Sensai]

I actually just finished downloading a torrent filled with 350 or so (3.91gigs) of TF2 maps.

I think I'm set for a while. :-D

[Edit:]

And Orange is either a hit or miss map. I really enjoy it...but I can see where people would not.

[EdgeCrusher]

I got my new computer last night, so Im ready to play some TF2.

[BardicKnowledge]

I'll play Monday nights and during the off-hours on weekdays -- other evenings I'm spending time with my wife (unfortunately, I don't think I'll get her to play!)

[Bahamut]

So Orange_X3 wasn't so great today - any suggestions for tomorrow night's rotation?

[Sensai]

My bad about suggesting Orange. It's a lot of fun, but you need a full server for it to be decent....my bad.

And I'm retracting my suggestion for Mach4. It's not the map that I thought it was (although it was still kinda decent).

I'm going to nominate Hyrdo (something I thought I'd NEVER do) and Turbine (which is the map I was talking about when I suggested Mach4). I'll leave the other maps up to you guys.

Had a GREAT time tonight, what with a good majority of it being the sillyness which was a full team of engies/spies/demo/etc.

[Edit:]

I'm just now finishing going through my 350+ maps torrent...I discarded a lot, but I've picked up quite a few. I'm going to be pretty upset if I have to download anything anytime soon.

[FiremanJoe]

Anybody here play from other continents/regions?

I'm in Aus; would it be worth participating, or too laggy?

[SirChadlyOC]

Anybody here play from other continents/regions?

I'm in Aus; would it be worth participating, or too laggy?

It never hurts to try. I'd guess your ping would hover around 125-150, which should be fine. Having ping above 180 starts to cause problems. Again, you should stop by sometime and see how it goes!

OTHER TOPIC: So around 2:30 p.m. EST yesterday, the server was empty. I decided to boot up Team Fortress Classic (Not TF2) just for funzies. Man, I had no idea what was going on. Every character looked exactly the same as everyone else, and I got really sick of hearing "hah" every time someone jumped. Grenades were like impossible to spot, and it really made me glad that they are gone from TF2. It sure was weird that everyone had like 4 guns, especially for the pyro, who suddenly has a rocket launcher to accompany a rather worthless flame thrower.

Team Fortress 2 is a really great game. I can't believe I spent so much time playing TFC back in the day, because it sure feels like a horrible game today.

[atmuh]

such a joke

[SirChadlyOC]

such a joke

YOUR COMMENTS AS OF LATE HAVE BEEN RIDICULOUS.

[Vivi22]

It sure was weird that everyone had like 4 guns, especially for the pyro, who suddenly has a (worthless) rocket launcher to accompany a rather worthless flame thrower.

Fixed.

I still love TFC myself. Though TF2 is technically a better designed game the original is still incredibly fun. The only exception to the fun being if you play Pyro in the original. It was always fun using weak-ass weapons and setting yourself on fire.

[Dhsu]

Last night was just...oh my.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8784/stackedga5.png (http://imageshack.us)

We went through every class except Soldier. And lost. Every time.

At least we'll be prepared for the next free weekend!

Edit: Also here's a freezecam shot I thought was pretty great. I dunno if it was intentional or not, but...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4670/gamekidislookinggoodje2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

CARDSNIPER

[EdgeCrusher]

Im telling you, try Steel_b4. Best map ever.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/54183

[Bahamut]

FJ - presh plays and is from Aus, and he plays sniper just great.

So the map rotation is

cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
cp_granary
cp_toy_fort_elite
cp_dustbowl
ctf_2fort
pl_goldrush

As always, find a custom server that is running this map and download it from there, or just download it from the link on the first post.

[Sensai]

FiremanJoe: There's an amazing sniper who plays from Aus....I'm seriously afraid to walk outside when he's on the other time.

He pings in at around 230 or so.

[Dhsu]

I just explored Toy Fort a bit and it looks really sweet. Looking forward to playing on this one!

[SirChadlyOC]

Toy Fort + Low gravity = super happy fun times.

I'm sorry I missed mass classing. I seriously need to stop having other obligations and just play TF2 all day/night long. I don't think I'll be able to play tonight, either.

[atmuh]

YOUR COMMENTS AS OF LATE HAVE BEEN RIDICULOUS.

ive been beautiful

[DarkeSword]

Im telling you, try Steel_b4. Best map ever.
http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/54183

That map looks amazing. We have to try it out!!

[EdgeCrusher]

It really is. Most of the SA private servers play it, and its a blast. Im not a huge fan of CP maps but it rocks.

[Unstable Hamster]

I vouch for this map as well. I've really enjoyed the map with the little time that I have played it. It seems pretty balanced with enough wide corners and open spaces to keep it interesting.

[Brushfire]

What is the deal with this slot reservation? I wanna play too. For the first time I can actually connect thank to a slightly less shitty internet connection. My Steam ID is RecentElectronics.

[Sensai]

I ALSO throw in my vote for Steel. It's quite the amazing map.

[Bahamut]

I'll put steel in the rotation tomorrow.

[EdgeCrusher]

Woohoo I win :D

[Effef]

Steel is fun, but its nearly impossible to navigate until after you play a few rounds and get an idea of where everything is.

[Effef]

Also, Turbine gets really really old after about 1 round.

[Sensai]

I think tonight was pretty damn amazing.

Toy Fort was about 30x better then I expected. Turbine is one of my favorite maps now (I really don't see how anyone can think it gets old), and I'm looking forward to Steel tomorrow.

Also: I think until the Pyro craze dies down, I'mma try to get better with either sniper or spy...so, free kills for everyone on the other team!

[Bahamut]

Remember to download cp_steel_b4 into your maps folder people - especially this map, it's ~40 MB. I added the link to the first post.

[atmuh]

so how come the skins that i installed for tf2 only work when i go to create a server and run around alone and now when i play on other servers

[DarkeSword]

so how come the skins that i installed for tf2 only work when i go to create a server and run around alone and now when i play on other servers

Dunno, I've been playing TF2 on the OCR server with the Adidas vs. Nike skins for months now, and I don't have any issues. I also just tried out the Master Sword model (replaces the Scout's bat) and it works fine on the OCR server. :|

[atmuh]

Dunno, I've been playing TF2 on the OCR server with the Adidas vs. Nike skins for months now, and I don't have any issues. I also just tried out the Master Sword model (replaces the Scout's bat) and it works fine on the OCR server. :|

well the superhero v nazi works fine but all the weapon skins dont

[Zephyr]

Last night was just...oh my.



We went through every class except Soldier. And lost. Every time.

At least we'll be prepared for the next free weekend!


This was a great night, spy rush FTW! The all engie low grav round was awesome too. I hope every night is going to be as fun as that now.

Also, we should have the current rotation listed in the topic post :razz:.

Great rounds everyone!

[Pyrion]

The thing about mach4 is it's too small for typical fully-loaded pubs. It's ideal for match play, where you're typically looking at between 5 and 9 players per team, usually 6 or 8.

[Xerol Oplan]

Toy Fort with low gravity was amazing. Too bad I can't play right now, how long is steel staying in the rotation?

[Powerlord]

It seems too many people don't like Steel or haven't downloaded it... we went from 20+ players on the stage before it (Dustbowl?) to 8 players on it, then back up to 20+ players on the stage after it (2Fort).

[Bahamut]

I don't know - I'm loving the design of steel, but we need more people for that map to be viable. Even 12 people wasn't enough IMO.

Should I change the rotation for tomorrow or no? Currently it is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
cp_granary
cp_steel_b4
cp_dustbowl
ctf_2fort
pl_goldrush

[Xerol Oplan]

I think you should leave the custom maps in there a bit longer than a day so people can get a chance to get used to them. (Then again it's not like they're going anywhere, I guess they can get added back in later if popularity requires it.)

[Sensai]

@ Bahamut: To answer your question...

I really REALLY started to hate Granary today after the first round, and I'm pretty sure most other people (or at least everyone on my team) felt similarly.

I'd love to see 2fort replaced with turbine.

Keep Steel. It was a ton of fun. Put back in Toy Fort. It's a blast too.

So...my ideal rotation would be something like this:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
cp_toy_fort_elite
cp_steel_b4
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine

Given, that's 3 custom maps...but eh. Do what you feel is right, in your heart.

[Bahamut]

Isn't that 2 custom maps?

[atmuh]

2fort is awful

[Brushfire]

I cant get my .vtf file to work as a tag. I try to import it but it always comes up blank.
What am I doing wrong?

[DarkeSword]

Well I like2fort.

[Bleck]

I am sorry but that Steel map or whatever it was was awful.

[Dhsu]

I think 4 maps is good for a given rotation, meaning Dustbowl and Goldrush + 2 more. For tomorrow I'm feeling some Gravel Pit and Toy Fort. Maybe Granary if people are really craving more variety.

[Effef]

Gravel Pit is always fun. I seriously have never played a Gravel Pit match that wasn't fun.

[Bahamut]

Gravel Pit is always fun. I seriously have never played a Gravel Pit match that wasn't fun.

I have, and it's not pretty. That goes for all maps with stacked teams though.

[EdgeCrusher]

I am sorry but that Steel map or whatever it was was awful.

Thats cause you are stupid and suck at life. Steel is awesome.

[SirChadlyOC]

Steel's not something you just pop your head in on and can effectively evaluate as a map. It's so big that it takes a long time to figure out strategies and techniques. I still don't think I've played it enough to know whether I like it or not. But I do want to try it again and see if I do better next time.

[Bahamut]

So the map rotation right now is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
cp_steel_b4
cp_toy_fort_elite
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

[Powerlord]

Steel's not something you just pop your head in on and can effectively evaluate as a map. It's so big that it takes a long time to figure out strategies and techniques. I still don't think I've played it enough to know whether I like it or not. But I do want to try it again and see if I do better next time.

We also need more people to test it effectively.

However, our team nearly took point E once with two Scouts and a Soldier.

It seems odd having a point that can instantly end the match like that, but only reachable by a few classes (Scout, Soldier, Demoman).

Also, my opinion of Granary has gone way, way down as of late.

P.S. I happen to like 2Fort.

[EdgeCrusher]

Granary and dustbowl can lick my sack. They are like the teamjungle of TF2. Id rather see more custom maps to stop the "beating of a dead horse" feeling of the maps that Ive played for a year now almost.

[Brushfire]

What is with the slot reservation and why am I the only one who gets booted?

[Bahamut]

What is with the slot reservation and why am I the only one who gets booted?

It boots the person with the worst ping - sorry man.

[Brushfire]

That is the ballsack there Wes. Discriminating against us folk who don't have a ping of 8.

For shame...


Is there anyway I can combat this, like giving a substantial donation or something?

[Bahamut]

Well, $3 a month gives you a reserved slot if that's what you're asking.

[Brushfire]

Done and done. I will pledge 10/month for the time being.

My screen name is [OCR]Brushfire2004 and steam ID is recentelectronics

[Powerlord]

Done and done. I will pledge 10/month for the time being.

My screen name is [OCR]Brushfire2004 and steam ID is recentelectronics

He needs your Steam ID number (which is STEAM_0:1:18703087 according to this (http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=509))

[Bahamut]

He needs your Steam ID number (which is STEAM_0:1:18703087 according to this (http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php?mode=playerinfo&player=509))

Nah, I got it off of HLStatsX

[Sensai]

I also like 2fort...but if it's between 2fort and Turbine, my vote has to go with the latter.

And I need to agree with whoever said this earlier and once against emphasize: granary seems to have lost its favor with the crowd pretty quickly.

Gravel Pit is always fun, and it's a map where almost every class can be really good. I guess I can get behind that.

And for those that dislike Steel: When I first joined, I really hated it too; it's so damn big. I fuxxed around with it for a little bit and it's still big, but a little less overwhelming and I really enjoyed the time we spent there.

[Powerlord]

Steel... you really have to know the map... and also remember that taking point E will win the match regardless of the other points' status. That means that blue can win by sending Scouts, Demomen, and Soldiers to point E (quickest way is through the building next to point B).

This also means that Red has to remember to guard point E. Engineer turrets are excellent at this, as are Soldiers.

However, once point C is taken, bridges extend to point E, so it has to be more heavily guarded.

P.S. Because of the engineer turret factor, this is also an excellent map to play Spy on.

P.P.S. My Steam name is now [OCR]Powerlord.

[EdgeCrusher]

I love the option of a quick win due to point E. I actually racked up a lot of wins on another server due to people not knowing that when they started it in the map rotation. But it really helps the 20 minute stalemate matches if you can rush and destroy.

[Bleck]

now that I play again can I be on the list now please

[Bahamut]

So...map rotation for tomorrow?

[Bleck]

Dustbowl. At least once.

Also my handle is [OCR] Bleck.

edit: account name is bigboss930

[Sensai]

Man, the server (and my internet) was doing funny things tonight...meh.

Also, I'm getting kinda sick of Dustbowl. I know, I know...but it's getting a little bland.

I really like Turbine, but I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.

Eh, dunno what maps I suggest. I'm out of ideas.

@ Bleck: I <3 your signature and love that comic. I'm a little antsy about the movie, but I'm hoping it'll be good.

[DarkeSword]

Hey, just want to make something clear:

If you're gonna play on this server, leave your attitude at the door please. It's okay to be frustrated, but it's not okay to start trash-talking and shit-talking your own teammates. I had a guy (colin) tell me that I "cost us the whole game" when I accidentally messed up his chances of doing a ninja cap on dustbowl.

We won the round less than two minutes later.

Newsflash: the game is called Team Fortress 2. Just because you die doesn't mean the whole team's gonna lose the game.

Same guy said to someone else (his own teammate) later that night "Hey, do me a favor and stop sucking dick."

Sorry, there's no place for that on this server. I was a big advocate of OCR getting its own server so I could have fun without having to deal with assholes. If I see or hear shit like that again, expect to get kicked off the server. There are plenty of people who are always trying to get onto the server that have no problem just having fun.

[atmuh]

haha ds cant handle it when people get mad

[DarkeSword]

haha ds cant handle it when people get mad

Haha. Nah that's not really what I'm saying. I mean I can understand getting frustrated with the game, like when you're constantly getting sniped by the same guy, or getting killed by one rocket to the head, or even when a medic bails on you when he had an uber ready.

But in the end, it's a game, and there's never any reason to start being a total dick and whining on the voicechat.

[atmuh]

im a jerk on the server for the lulz and its good lulz let me tell ya

[SirChadlyOC]

or even when a medic bails on you when he had an uber ready.

I'm sorry.


I support the "kick D-bags" motion. I feel like sometimes even I'm an ass on the server ("teams are unbalanced, WAAAHH! I need someone to hold my hand") but sometimes other people are just ridiculous.

P.S. I surpassed the 100 hours played as an Engineer mark yesterday. I'm about 15 hours away for Medic.

P.P.S. Please add me to the first page. I think I'm ready for it now :<
STEAM_0:1:782615

[Bleck]

Same guy said to someone else (his own teammate) later that night "Hey, do me a favor and stop sucking dick."

that was meeee he said that to

[atmuh]

that was meeee he said that to

those arguments you had with him were so rofl
ok since were talking about colin i might as well go ahead and say out of all the people that play on the ocr server he is the number one retard faggot that i love to make fun of am i a bad person

[Dhsu]

Yeah, colin's a dork. :P Rambo says he's always like that when it comes to competitive games. What's funny is that he was actually a Free Weekender...I remember everybody yelling at him for being a noob. :D Then a couple weeks later he's telling ME how to play Medic, haha (it was actually good advice, though). So who knows, maybe he's just transferring his feelings after being yelled at all those times. :P

Anyway, I guess it's a good time to say now that I added the [OCR] tag to my ID.

[atmuh]

Anyway, I guess it's a good time to say now that I added the [OCR] tag to my ID.

atmuh will NEVAR

[zircon]

TF2 World War II

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CTGrjcgSeAA&feature=related

[Sensai]

Jeah, Colin is a little prick sometime, isn't he?

On the subject: Can we PLEASE get the ability to votekick people? I know it's been brought up before in the server, but I REALLY feel like it needs to be something that is paid attention to.

We really need it sometimes. :-/

[Effef]

Having votekick is generally a good idea.

[Powerlord]

Having votekick is generally a good idea.

Thirded.

Extra stuff so the forum will stop bitching about this post being shorter than 10 characters.

[atmuh]

ive been saying that forever also i dont see why me making votes for stuff is ABUSING if its calling for a vote!

[Zephyr]

Votekick probably wouldn't ever hurt, and it would come in handy sometimes.

also
So the map rotation right now is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
cp_steel_b4
cp_toy_fort_elite
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush
This sounds pretty good, although I think steel, or toy fort should be switched with the well or hydro in that rotation so that the custom maps are split up. Sounds good though.

Personally I really like turbine, and the few round of gravelpit that I've had have been fun, I haven't played steel enough to judge it, but I'm not against it. Orange is also pretty fun, but can turn into a huge useless fragfest sometimes, and I think it's better suited to less people.

[Bleck]

Why is Dustbowl on the rotation three times.

[Effef]

Why is Dustbowl on the rotation three times.

Yeah, make on of those cp_dustbowls pl_dustbowl.

[duckyboycantfly]

I joined this just for the reserved slot. I will donate August 1st.

Also hi guys.

I will never post here again.

[atmuh]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey whats up man

[Bahamut]

The rotation atm is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
pl_dustbowl_b4
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

The thing is, most people have a tendency to want to do dustbowl or goldrush after one of the other maps. And some have complained about Goldrush more recently. What do you all want the rotation to be?

[atmuh]

everyone prepare for something EXTRAORDINARY

i like the rotation

[EdgeCrusher]

wtf no steel?

[Bleck]

The thing is, most people have a tendency to want to do dustbowl or goldrush after one of the other maps. And some have complained about Goldrush more recently. What do you all want the rotation to be?


Who the hell complains about Goldrush.

I'm fine with anything that doesn't have Dustbowl every other map.

[Zephyr]

Most people seem to like having dustbowl and goldrush thrown in a ton of times, I don't mind too much, but I do get kinda sick of them sometimes.

[Sensai]

I'm getting kinda tired of Dustbowl...it's just a little old hat by this point.

That being said, I did get 42 kills in a single life on the second stage of it, on defense. T'was amazing. Thanks to the FRACKIN' AWESOME medics on my team on that rotation (I think it was warmeatball healing bonzai and PosiBolt healing me).

It seems like most people are getting tired 2fort, too.

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
pl_dustbowl_b4
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

And this looks fine to me, except the fact that for a little bit it's Dustbowl, map, Dustbowl, map, Dustbowl...which'll get boring.

[Edit:]
http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php/sig/361_random.png

[Bahamut]

Well as I've said, I'm open to suggestions for the rotation.

Also, I have a question about reserved slots for people - upon a little more searching, if I'm reading right, it seems like Mani Mod supports reserved slots in the following fashion: if someone with a reserved slot joins to make it 24/24, then nobody gets kicked, but if someone leaves the game, then the reserved slot frees up again and only someone with a reserved slot can join.

Do people support the current way, where reserved slot holders should have 0 problems joining, or this new way?

[Effef]

Is there a way to make it so that reserved slots don't take up normal slots? It is really annoying to wait to connect and almost join only to be kicked because of reserve.

[Sensai]

I'm with Effef. If it's at all possible to have 24/24 and then kick someone when a paying person wants to join, I'm for that. Whatever that method is.

Seeing as I don't think that's possible, my support goes behind the current way. I think it's fine to have 23/24 all the time.

Also: we NEED a votekick. Please.

[Tensei]

Well, dunno about you guys, but I had a blast yesterday, even if it cost me valuable hours of sleep (I dropped out somewhere after turbine, at 3:30 AM for me/9:30 PM EST). Teams seemed reasonably well-balanced and competent, and it seemed to me like everyone was having a lot of fun. Let's hope it'll be as good again today.

Also, I like how Bahamut is now at the top of the list of people I killed. ;)

[DarkeSword]

(I think it was warmeatball healing bonzai and PosiBolt healing me).

It seems like most people are getting tired 2fort, too.

Yeah usually when those guys are playing medic, you're good to go.

As for 2fort, I don't understand everyone's beef with it. I love that map.

[atmuh]

yesterdays final dustbowl game before i left was the most rofl thing ever
bleck you know what im talking about

[zircon]

I'm getting kinda tired of Dustbowl...it's just a little old hat by this point.

That being said, I did get 42 kills in a single life on the second stage of it, on defense. T'was amazing. Thanks to the FRACKIN' AWESOME medics on my team on that rotation (I think it was warmeatball healing bonzai and PosiBolt healing me).

It seems like most people are getting tired 2fort, too.

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
pl_dustbowl_b4
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

And this looks fine to me, except the fact that for a little bit it's Dustbowl, map, Dustbowl, map, Dustbowl...which'll get boring.

[Edit:]
http://ocremix.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php/sig/361_random.png

AGH I didn't know you're an OCR forum member. I hate Pyros. I hate the Backburner. I hate you. I hate being on fire. :(

[atmuh]

AGH I didn't know you're an OCR forum member. I hate Pyros. I hate the Backburner. I hate you. I hate being on fire. :(

im pretty sure he joined BECAUSE of the server

[Triad Orion]

As for 2fort, I don't understand everyone's beef with it. I love that map.

It's the turtling effect. A lot of people can relate stories of spending hours on the same 2fort not getting anywhere. That's such a demoralizer that many don't want to play it anymore. At least with Dustbowl at worst you'll be spending 25 minutes defending one point. And yeah, that's bad when it happens. But most of the time you're fighting the clock, and that really helps keep the pace.

[Super-Duper Sombrero]

The custom maps really destroy the server population. They're can be really fun, but when the server starts dwindling to non-regulars, and it switches to a custom map, everybody leaves.

I think the rotation should be the basic default maps, but have the custom maps available via rockthevote. We'd still be able to play them, but it wouldn't clear out the server since the people who voted for it would play it, and it is a majority-wins vote.

[Sensai]

im pretty sure he joined BECAUSE of the server

Nope. Joined 'cause of the music and eventually ran into the server. I love TF2, so it just clicked.

This IS however the only thread I check consistently on here.

And @ zircon: That made me laugh really hard.

@ DarkeSword: I'm not sure why people don't like that map either. I really enjoy it (although I prefer Turbine).

[Powerlord]

This IS however the only thread I check consistently on here.

Same here. Occasionally, the board stops emailing me new post notifications, too, so I go "Hmm, weird, no new TF2 posts lately?" and check the topic manually.

[duckyboycantfly]

Also, I have a question about reserved slots for people - upon a little more searching, if I'm reading right, it seems like Mani Mod supports reserved slots in the following fashion: if someone with a reserved slot joins to make it 24/24, then nobody gets kicked, but if someone leaves the game, then the reserved slot frees up again and only someone with a reserved slot can join.
I hate this with a fiery passion. It's the main reason I'm getting a reserved slot, since I always see a 23/24, try to join, and can't. Nothing more frustrating than "woo slot open.... oh fuck"

Custom maps can be fun. Stress on the can. RTV customs would be awesome, but once a rotation is fine enough for me.

I guess I lied...

[starla]

2fort is fun for about 5 minutes, then it makes me want to kill myself. I can't explain it - it just stops being fun after a while :P

I had a lot of fun last night, we had a really great talkative team until i got autoswitched for balance :( i was right in the middle of the scores too, i thought that it only autoswitched people that hadn't been there for a long time or had lower scores or something. Is there any way to manually change teams or move people around with admin powerz?

[Dhsu]

Stress on the can.
Not too much though...don't wanna get hemorrhoids.

[duckyboycantfly]

Not too much though...don't wanna get hemorrhoids.
Now I know why I don't come here.

[atmuh]

2fort is fun for about 5 minutes, then it makes me want to kill myself. I can't explain it - it just stops being fun after a while :P

I had a lot of fun last night, we had a really great talkative team until i got autoswitched for balance :( i was right in the middle of the scores too, i thought that it only autoswitched people that hadn't been there for a long time or had lower scores or something. Is there any way to manually change teams or move people around with admin powerz?

press . to change teams and wait for there to be an opening on the other team
i prefer that particular team especially since colin is on it and i can continually make fun of him


its ok duckyballs this is a fun place im here that makes it a fun place!

[Zephyr]

Well as I've said, I'm open to suggestions for the rotation.

Also, I have a question about reserved slots for people - upon a little more searching, if I'm reading right, it seems like Mani Mod supports reserved slots in the following fashion: if someone with a reserved slot joins to make it 24/24, then nobody gets kicked, but if someone leaves the game, then the reserved slot frees up again and only someone with a reserved slot can join.

Do people support the current way, where reserved slot holders should have 0 problems joining, or this new way?
Being someone without a reserve slot (I'll get around to it eventually) I would prefer to have it fill up to 24 then kick if someone else wants to join, it's really annoying getting kicked even though there's still a spot for you. Also, I love the custom maps, maybe if there was a warning or link to the fpsbanana page where you can download them, less people would have to download them in-game.

I also love 2fort and turbine, but unlike others I've only had the game for about 2 weeks.

[Vivi22]

Being someone without a reserve slot (I'll get around to it eventually) I would prefer to have it fill up to 24 then kick if someone else wants to join, it's really annoying getting kicked even though there's still a spot for you.

Not only that, but it's incredibly annoying not being able to use the auto-join feature because steam will try to join when there's one slot open, but you can't since that slot is reserved. It means I have to sit there until there are 22 people on. It doesn't matter to me that much since I plan on getting a reserved slot eventually anyway but it is annoying. Only reason I put it off was that I knew I'd be gone all this month and wouldn't even get a month out of it.

[atmuh]

with all of this oh ill get a reserved slot blah blah blah i plan on it sometime blah blah blah


ITS THREE FREAKING DOLLARS

[EdgeCrusher]

Seriously, if I can afford it you all can too.

[Vivi22]

Seriously, if I can afford it you all can too.

Never said I couldn't, but I'm stuck in a residence with the only computer I own capable of running TF2 some 500kms and another province away. As soon as I get back I will be getting a reserved slot, I just wanted to point out the whole 23 people thing because I knw there are probably plenty of people who come and go who might not know how they could get a reserved slot because they don't frequent these boards. I know it annoys me when I can't use auto-join on other servers so I figured it was worth mentioning.

[Powerlord]

On a loosely related subject, the Backburner lost its health bonus. 'bout freaking time.

If anything, it should have a health loss to balance it against the normal Pyro flamethrower, since it's more powerful.

[DarkeSword]

Never said I couldn't, but I'm stuck in a residence with the only computer I own capable of running TF2 some 500kms and another province away. As soon as I get back I will be getting a reserved slot, I just wanted to point out the whole 23 people thing because I knw there are probably plenty of people who come and go who might not know how they could get a reserved slot because they don't frequent these boards. I know it annoys me when I can't use auto-join on other servers so I figured it was worth mentioning.

This is OCR's server. They should frequent the boards.

[IckesTheSane]

I'm sure most of you noticed, but they released an update:

http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=posts&id=1717&s=0,25,609,636,482&i=0,300,440&cc=US&client=1

I was reading through it... mostly fixing little glitches, etc, when I saw this:


Removed health bonus from the Backburner


So, hopefully that'll change the pyro dynamic (and ill feelings towards them) some?

[zircon]

rotflmao you have NO idea how happy this makes me. The Backburner is (was) the most overpowered weapon in the entire game bar none. Needing three rockets and up to four stickies to kill a single pyro was absolutely retarded, but giving them autocrit from behind when they're already the most brutal close-range class was lunacy.

[Bahamut]

Steam updates for people: http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=posts&AppId=440&filter=updates&cc=US

[Tensei]

While I agree with the nerfing of the backburner, this essentially makes it inferior to the standard flamethrower, especially (or so I've heard) since the 100% crits from the back mechanic is kind of wonky. Compression blast for soldier pwnage over that any day. IMO the best solution would've been to nerf it to only grant +20-30 hp. Or just fix the crits mechanic.

[Bahamut]

So it looks like the new patch broke the server atm. It is strongly looking like Valve's fault, which just pisses me off with their continual coding problems. Hopefully this will be fixed asap - I will let people know on the IRC channel when this is fixed.

[DarkeSword]

While I agree with the nerfing of the backburner, this essentially makes it inferior to the standard flamethrower, especially (or so I've heard) since the 100% crits from the back mechanic is kind of wonky. Compression blast for soldier pwnage over that any day. IMO the best solution would've been to nerf it to only grant +20-30 hp. Or just fix the crits mechanic.

Nope. If you play Pyro enough, you know how to line up that backburner kill to make it nearly as quick as a Spy's backstab.

I can't say I'm thrilled about nerfing the HP, but Backburner is still a beastly weapon.

[Powerlord]

Nope. If you play Pyro enough, you know how to line up that backburner kill to make it nearly as quick as a Spy's backstab.

I can't say I'm thrilled about nerfing the HP, but Backburner is still a beastly weapon.

I've been playing around with the setup on my (now defunct) server, and it crashes if certain plugins are loaded when the server starts, most notably the Oil Metamod plugin.

I'd recommend disabling various other mods to see if you can isolate which one is causing the problem.

Edit: The TF2 server seems to be up again now.

[Sensai]

Reading over the patch notes:

~Players killing themselves will now give a kill credit to the last enemy who damaged them

Look, Bahamut, Rambo, they added something to make it so that I still get points when you guys decide to a'splode yourselves. MWAHA.

~Removed health bonus from the Backburner.

I'm probably the last person you expected to hear this from, but I'm glad to hear this. The Backburner is just stupid overpowered, and maybe now I can play Pyro without feeling guilty for their being 234098109243 other ones at the same time.

[atmuh]

they forgot to add one other thing to the list of things added in the patch
kills all possible mods

[Rambo]

Reading over the patch notes:

~Players killing themselves will now give a kill credit to the last enemy who damaged them

Look, Bahamut, Rambo, they added something to make it so that I still get points when you guys decide to a'splode yourselves. MWAHA.

~Removed health bonus from the Backburner.

I'm probably the last person you expected to hear this from, but I'm glad to hear this. The Backburner is just stupid overpowered, and maybe now I can play Pyro without feeling guilty for their being 234098109243 other ones at the same time.

I agree with both of your sentiments!!! I know that suiciding is homo, but I assure you I never robbed sandroid of a kill this way, cuz I know he uses the standard flamethrower. I only intentionally do it to avoid being dominated (and that only usually happens against buffed backburning pyros. :<) or if its being done to me (like Baha)!

I'm very happy with all the updates.

[SirChadlyOC]

And I just got the freaking backburner today. It took me until today because I didn't achievement whore to get it. Rats.

EDIT: Fixed grenades, rockets, and flamethrower being able to fire through grates at round starts

Oh thank God. That's about 6 months too late, but I'll take it!

[Bleck]

I got my Ubersaw today, and realized that I really like playing Medic.

[Brushfire]

I haven't gotten any new weapon for achievements yet. It makes me sad.

Anyone know when they are gonna update the Heavy?

[Bleck]

Soon enough, I suppose. It is the next one they're doing, at least.

[Brushfire]

I can't wait. The Heavy is my favorite class to play, provided that there is a medic or a pyro to watch my back.

[Sensai]

Aaaaaaaaaah, I just got done playing with a hacker. So much fun.

Sad thing is, he was absolutely terrible. He was 100% critting with his scout, and couldn't take my combat medic (a.k.a., only Ubersaw) on. Ahahaha.

Also: are the mods fixed?

[Bahamut]

I fixed the mods - turns out Gameservers didn't update their Metamod: Source installation link.

Also, now reserved slot holders have change map and cvar privileges, so check them out with /admin in chat.

Any abuse will result in your privileges taken away of course.

[SirChadlyOC]

I'm going to be disappearing from the server for a week and a half (again). Rambo was doing such a good job holding my No. 1 ranking that I decided to let him keep it! :-p

Actually, I'm vacationing to Canada for a while and will be away from my computer. And civilization. No, I'm not going to visit Rambo or Bleck to stab them in the back in real life.

When I get back, I'll finally get a slot reservation since the server is too popular for casual playing anymore.

Take care, gentlemen!

[atmuh]

I fixed the mods - turns out Gameservers didn't update their Metamod: Source installation link.

Also, now reserved slot holders have change map and cvar privileges, so check them out with /admin in chat.

Any abuse will result in your privileges taken away of course.

what is cvar

also what qualifies as abuse anyways isnt everything done by vote?

[Sensai]

Yay for changemap! Maybe now we won't have to play Dustbowl 24/7 anymore!

Also: can they please get a votekick option? I know it seems like I'm obsessive about this, but there really needs to be the option for it.

[Bahamut]

Yay for changemap! Maybe now we won't have to play Dustbowl 24/7 anymore!

Also: can they please get a votekick option? I know it seems like I'm obsessive about this, but there really needs to be the option for it.

Only problem is that it seems in order to give that privilege, I have to give the kick option, which I definitely don't want to give arbitrarily.

[Dhsu]

Is there a way to have a votemute/gag instead? That should be enough to deal with most people.

[Powerlord]

I fixed the mods - turns out Gameservers didn't update their Metamod: Source installation link.

Ah, OK... I thought that might be it, but I didn't realize Gameservers had their own link to it (I just assumed you could upload the new .dll/.so to addons/metamod/bin/).

[Sensai]

Only problem is that it seems in order to give that privilege, I have to give the kick option, which I definitely don't want to give arbitrarily.

Well, just give it to people who you know won't abuse the power.

[Bahamut]

Also, I have to add do NOT make the gravity higher than the default setting (800) - there seems to be a bug where it affects sticky bombs, even if you reset it to normal.

[Powerlord]

Only problem is that it seems in order to give that privilege, I have to give the kick option, which I definitely don't want to give arbitrarily.

You can override (http://wiki.alliedmods.net/Overriding_Command_Access_(SourceMod)) that.

Also, I assume that "vote, kick" in the list (http://wiki.alliedmods.net/Admin_Commands_(SourceMod)) means that anyone with vote or kick can use said command, because there doesn't seem to be any way to require multiple flags for commands. Although I could be wrong.

[Bahamut]

Only people with vote & kick are able to use votekick normally it seems. I used the override to change that though, and to disable gravity for everyone but admins.

[Zephyr]

Yay for pyro nerf! I've only had the game for about two weeks, so no backburner for me yet, but I was getting sick of going up against people that I knew I was better than, but having them win because of the health bonus.

[atmuh]

Yay for pyro nerf! I've only had the game for about two weeks, so no backburner for me yet, but I was getting sick of going up against people that I knew I was better than, but having them win because of the health bonus.

or because they were better than you

[EdgeCrusher]

I very rarely got to the point health wise that the bonus was a factor. I either dominated or died. So with or without it your ass will be on fire.

[atmuh]

as long as youre right behind someone they can never kill you

[Secret Agent Man]

I'm sure you guys have enjoyed my 999ms ping playing skills.

I play as Depo 007, and will actually have a good connection come August 23rd.

[Powerlord]

There, I finally got tired of not being able to get on during peak hours and signed up for a reserve slot.

[Bleck]

I have enough money for a slot but I do not have Paypal.

[Zephyr]

I have enough money for a slot but I do not have Paypal.
Simple enough solution, just send check or money order to;

Zephyr
#1337 Drury Lane
The Internetz, America

[Brushfire]

That seems kinda suspect but you got a trustworthy face, Zeph.

$.25 is on it's way.

[Bahamut]

Alright so I want to change up the map rotation for tomorrow. The current rotation is:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
pl_dustbowl_b4
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

Any suggestions for a good rotation?

[duckyboycantfly]

Alright so I want to change up the map rotation for tomorrow. The current rotation is:

cp_dustbowl
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
cp_dustbowl
pl_dustbowl_b4
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
pl_goldrush

Any suggestions for a good rotation?
Looks perfect to me.

[Brushfire]

Needs more Gold Rush. I love that game mode.

[Bleck]

a million trillion dustbowls

[Sensai]

cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
ctf_well
cp_steel (or whatever it's officially called)
tc_hydro
pl_goldrush
cp_castle4 (Seriously, this map is amazing. We really, DESPERATELY need to check it out.)
ctf_turbine

Yes, I know, Goldrush and Dustbowl are only on there once. I'm growing tired of them and this is my fantasy rotation, so shove it.

[Bleck]

I have played more than twenty hours the past few days and I have played dustbowl ONCE

[Sensai]

I have played more than twenty hours the past few days and I have played dustbowl ONCE

That is either a MASSIVE exaggeration or...I dunno. Really poor luck on one of our parts.

[Tensei]

I wish we could play cp_lazytown, it's such an awesome map :(


Oh and Bahamut, I got this paypal thing working here and I sent you the 3$, you should have it some time soon. :]

[atmuh]

i wanna play cyberpunk once for the lulz

[Zephyr]

That seems kinda suspect but you got a trustworthy face, Zeph.

$.25 is on it's way.
Now I can buy a gumball! WOOT!

I like sensai's rotation,

cp_dustbowl
cp_gravelpit
ctf_well
cp_steel (or whatever it's officially called)
tc_hydro
pl_goldrush
cp_castle4 (Seriously, this map is amazing. We really, DESPERATELY need to check it out.)
ctf_turbine
I'm not a fan of hydro really, but I'm manage to survive... also, castle has all ratings in the 9's, so it must be decent... (http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/53925)

as for what I think would be the perfect rotation...

cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl
cp_dustbowl

... just kidding

[Bahamut]

How's this for a rotation for tonight?

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
cp_gravelpit

Also, I'll put on Castle4 on the server sometime, just right now I'm too lazy haha. I have a feeling that a lot won't like it though.

Edit: [12:49pm] Tensei-San: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyZxJYo_Q4I

[Sensai]

I really think that the main problem with pyro (pre BB, mind you) is that the flame's are not NEARLY consistent enough. Like, I can be in a group of people and holding down the burner and swinging about like mad...and no one catches on fire.

And as long as we eventually get to play Castle, that's fine. It's a big place, but tons of fun.

[Bleck]

Soldier is still cheapest class

[zircon]

I think the Demoman is pretty powerful, definitely can seem cheap. I don't think the Soldier is though - he's quite slow.

[Powerlord]

I think the Demoman is pretty powerful, definitely can seem cheap. I don't think the Soldier is though - he's quite slow.

All the classes are pretty powerful in their own way, but they all have their weaknesses, too.

Here are their weaknesses, starting from the left (I play Spy a lot, so I have the order memorized):

1. Scout's primary gun sucks at range and only holds a few shots.

2. Soldier's primary weapon is quite slow and can rarely be used in short range combat without killing oneself.

3. Pyro's long range sucks.

4. Demoman has an abysmally slow rate of fire.

5. Heavies don't do that good of damage at distance and it takes time for their gun to come up to speed... they can keep their gun spinning, but their movement is slowed even further.

6. Engineers have a weak offense power. Their sentry guns are also rather stupid... plus they stop shooting while sapped.

7. Medics don't have a lot of health or offense.

8. Snipers have to be zoomed in for a few seconds before their shots work that well. They also have limited movement while zoomed in). The zoom resets after each shot, too.

9. Spies can be detected fairly easily by shooting at allies, or by trying to run through them. Cloaked spies also show up for a second when they run into someone or take damage.

[Bleck]

The thing about the Soldier that in my opinion makes him cheap is the fact that crits are determined somewhat by how much damage you have been doing that life. Seeing as though the Soldier's main weapon is powerful and does splash damage, they can rack up damage pretty quickly. This is why, and I believe many will agree with me on this, Soldier's seem to get more crits than any other class. And since a crit rocket can kill you in basically one hit unless you're an overhealed Heavy, I think this isn't very fair.

This could technically apply to the Demoman as well, but the Demoman has less health (unlikely to stay alive as long) and his projectiles are usually easily dodged.

[zircon]

Yeah, but in my opinion rockets are pretty easily dodged too. They travel slowly and lose damage over distance. Sure, they're brutal close-range weapons, but lots of classes have brutal close-range weapons so it's not TOO different. Demo is more effective at taking out structures and neither of their weapons lose damage over distance. Also, stickies move faster than rockets AFAIK.

[Powerlord]

Hmm, usually the server is full by this time of day, but there's only 9 people on right now... does everyone hate ctf_well or something?

[EdgeCrusher]

Well was the first map I ever played for TF2, and it didnt do anything for me then, or now.

[DarkeSword]

Hmm, usually the server is full by this time of day, but there's only 9 people on right now... does everyone hate ctf_well or something?
I hate Well period.

[Bleck]

Well is the second worst map next to Gravel Pit imo

[Tensei]

A Demo will get totally raped by just about any class that manages to get in close (even engies or snipers) unless he has excellent aim with grenades, can predict his targets movements with stickies, or just gets lucky in melee. That said, if you round a corner and you meet a pyro, soldier or scout, you're dead.

This is why I think the demoman is overall a very carefully balanced character, he has great mid and long-range capability (can go toe to toe even with soldiers and heavies), but his ability to fight at close range flat out sucks unless you have mad skills.

Of course getting hit by a crit mid-air sticky can feel unfair, same goes for a soldiers crit missiles, but really any class can seem to have an unfair advantage in the hands of a capable player (especially scouts, I hate em), but, as far as I can tell, everything seems pretty well balanced.

[Triad Orion]

Crit Rockets aren't really broken in that rockets are one of the more difficult weapons to hit with. If they didn't do splash damage, soldiers would be worthless at killing anything but Sentries. Splash damage is *life* to Soldiers. And while yes, crit rates get boosted by doing damage, but consider that most of the time a rocket won't be doing full damage unless the soldier is a crack shot and the target moves like a target drone.

The Crit Rocket is the haymaker Soldiers need to do their jobs in the long run. Yeah, it does kinda suck to get instagibbed by a Crit Rocket. Bahamut's done it to me countless times. But with so many other things that instagib you in TF2 now? Sticky traps, Backburnering Pyros, et. al? Crit Rockets are a small matter.

Moreover, all of this is offset by the long reload and small capacity of the Rocket Launcher. It's not like soldiers can spam rockets all day because we run out and we have to reload, and that's when we're vulnerable. It's a pretty glaring weakness if people can learn to exploit it. AND, to make matters tougher for soldiers? The Pyro Patch gave pyros a reflector to push away incoming missiles. It's hard to do, granted, but it can turn the tables on a soldier. Bahamut and I have both been on the receiving ends of each others' reflected crit rockets and I can tell you from personal experience that such a thing isn't fun.

So yeah. The Soldier's not cheap. He's supposed to be the main, bread-and-butter, versatile offensive class. He's well rounded and strong, but he's not invincible. If you're playing as a niche class like Scout, you have to use your niche well to beat the Soldier.

Really, here's the rule of thumb and it's really quite simple:

*Don't think you can beat the guy with the rocket launcher in a straight fight.*

[Bleck]

you don't have to really beat a soldier in a straight fight if he is shooting rockets from the other end of the map into the place where you come from

[Triad Orion]

Well, that's a whole other set of bullshit to deal with on its own.

FYI, use a Spy then. :P

[atmuh]

so we were on granary and there were 3 scouts on our team (i was one of them) and baha was yelling at us to change the ENTIRE match but we didnt
colin is like the best scout ever and ive pretty much been playing scout exclusively the past few days
dunno who the other guy was

ANYWAYS this resulted

[00:03:15] <atmuh> rofl at bahas ban thread
[00:03:18] <atmuh> threat
[00:04:17] <Bahamut> I have little tolerance for team griefing and blatantly keeping it
[00:04:38] <atmuh> what
[00:04:41] <atmuh> i wanted to be scout
[00:04:52] <atmuh> and you spent the whole freaking match telling me to change
[00:04:55] <atmuh> and i didnt want to
[00:04:56] <atmuh> so i didnt
[00:04:59] <atmuh> omg ban
[00:05:08] <Bahamut> well considering it's called TEAM Fortress
[00:05:10] <atmuh> i was trying to win
[00:05:19] <Bahamut> that's exactly griefing
[00:05:26] <atmuh> ts not lie iwas being an idiot
[00:05:29] <atmuh> youre ro rofl
[00:06:07] <Bahamut> well if I see that shit from anyone
[00:06:07] <Bahamut> it's a ban
[00:06:07] <Bahamut> don't care who you are
[00:06:08] <Bahamut> it's called total bullshit
[00:06:14] <garian> what's going on?
[00:06:21] <garian> oh
[00:06:23] <Bahamut> this applies even to reserved slot holders
[00:06:24] <garian> team griefing
[00:07:04] <atmuh> because i cant pick a class that i want to be
[00:07:35] <Bahamut> if the choice causes an unbalanced amount to ruin a team, yes
[00:07:50] <Bahamut> it's called griefing, and no amount of excuses changes that
[00:07:54] <atmuh> ya ill just
[00:08:00] <atmuh> stay off your team :D
[00:08:20] <atmuh> because no one else has ever said ANYTHING about me being whatever classes ive been
[00:08:21] <Bahamut> I can easy find out the class distribution of any team
[00:08:33] <atmuh> omg atmuh is scout
[00:08:36] <atmuh> ban him
[00:08:41] <atmuh> so what if i am
[00:08:43] <atmuh> no one cares
[00:08:45] <Bahamut> I was ready to ban all 3 scouts
[00:08:48] <atmuh> we have
[00:08:49] <atmuh> FUN
[00:08:54] <garian> i goof around a lot but if the team tells me to stop it i usually do :\
[00:08:56] <Bahamut> it wasn't unique to you, but giving me lip for it is deserving of a ban
[00:09:10] <atmuh> you guys are scouts i dont want you to be scouts
[00:09:13] <atmuh> ban ban ban
[00:09:21] <PosiBolt> Hey wes, is #ocrtf2 mentioned in the server info?
[00:09:29] <Bahamut> don't think so posi
[00:09:34] <PosiBolt> We should.
[00:09:49] <Bahamut> no, it's "I don't want 3 scouts when we're getting rolled due to nothing to hold them back"
[00:09:53] <PosiBolt> Get some more people this way, maybe get some more people interested in #ocremix while we're at it.
[00:09:58] <Bahamut> and then "but I want to be a scout waaaaaaaah"
[00:10:13] <garian> "getting rolled" as in you guys were defending, and had 3 scouts?
[00:10:19] <PosiBolt> Mention server and chat room info, and maybe a link to a page with instructions for IRC n00bs.
[00:10:27] <Bahamut> want to be a crybaby about doing something stupid to cause a big reason a team loses, then you're not wanted on the server, simple as that
[00:10:47] <Bahamut> and it proved to be the case as we were able to push back for a win after
[00:10:49] <atmuh> uh
[00:10:52] <Bahamut> with just having 1 scout
[00:10:54] <atmuh> you were the crybaby
[00:11:04] <atmuh> you were the one who was whining the ENTIRE MATCH
[00:11:06] <Bahamut> I was pointing out the shittiness of 3 scouts
[00:11:13] <Bahamut> you were whining about wanting to stay scout
[00:11:34] <atmuh> i didnt say anything
[00:11:38] <atmuh> until the end
[00:11:41] <atmuh> and what i said was
[00:11:41] <atmuh> no
[00:11:43] <Bahamut> sorry but if you want to distort shit and giving a deceitful argument, I'll just ban you right now
[00:11:43] <atmuh> that was all
[00:11:49] <Bahamut> this server will have none of that
[00:11:50] <atmuh> READ THE LOGS
[00:11:53] <atmuh> all i said
[00:11:55] <atmuh> was NO
[00:11:59] <atmuh> and then
[00:12:00] <atmuh> lolololol
[00:12:03] <atmuh> thats it
[00:12:14] <Bahamut> yeah, you were purposely being a griefer and troll
[00:12:18] <atmuh> much more than your SCOUTS STOP SCOUTS STOP EVERY FIVE SECONDS
[00:12:21] <atmuh> uh no
[00:12:24] <atmuh> i play scout now
[00:12:27] <atmuh> i have for days
[00:12:31] <Bahamut> continue one more line of your toolboxness and you're banned now
[00:12:40] <atmuh> check the logs that you so love to refer to
[00:12:46] <atmuh> ive been so much scout the past few days
[00:13:52] <Bahamut> I did warn you one more line, so your reserved slot is now gone
[00:14:00] <Bahamut> one more line and you're permabanned
[00:14:34] <Bahamut> I don't run the server to put up with this type of bullshit
[00:14:44] <Bahamut> if you want to act stupid, go to another server
[00:14:54] <Bahamut> cause this server is not for that
[00:14:56] <atmuh> YOU MAD A BIG DEAL OUT OF NOTHING YOURE CREATING THE SITUATION
[00:15:13] <Bahamut> k adding steam ID # to banlist
[00:18:18] <Bleck> I am confused as to what just happened
[00:19:09] <Bahamut> basically atma supported team griefing and started trolling for it, which is grounds for permaban on this server as per server rules
[00:19:26] <atmuh> i was neither griefing nor trolling
[00:19:32] <atmuh> and youre just being a dick
[00:19:43] <Bahamut> I've banned others for less, but as a reserved slot holder I was willing to give leeway for
[00:19:55] <atmuh> OMG YOU DIDNT WANNA SWITCH CLASS
[00:19:58] <Bahamut> but it doesn't mean a free pass for team griefing
[00:20:09] <atmuh> yeah and i SWITCHED teams and you know what?
[00:20:16] <atmuh> they had no problem with me at all!
[00:20:22] <atmuh> they were happy i was on their team!
[00:20:26] <atmuh> you know why?
[00:20:30] <atmuh> because they have FUN
[00:20:36] <Bahamut> uhh others noted the stupidity of 3 scouts
[00:20:39] <Bahamut> you just chose to ignore it
[00:20:54] <Bleck> we've had more than 3 scouts on the server before and nobody seemed to care
[00:21:06] * Bahamut (~wesleycho@pool-141-155-150-216.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has left #ocrtf2
[00:21:06] * Bahamut (~wesleycho@pool-141-155-150-216.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #ocrtf2
[00:21:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Bahamut
[00:21:09] <atmuh> yeah and colin was like im the best scout
[00:21:10] <atmuh> and he is
[00:21:11] * Bahamut sets mode: +b *!*@pool-71-125-17-168.nycmny.fios.verizon.net
[00:21:12] * You were kicked by Bahamut (Bahamut)


come on im not the only one that thinks this is a little extreme am i

[Bleck]

I have never seen, in any class-based game, someone call someone a troll because they played as a certain class. And I'm sorry, but disagreeing with the order to do such is not 'griefing' in the least. If every player who has ever killed me as a scout is a griefer, then basically half the gamebase needs to be banned.

I'll be the first to agree that this is a little extreme, and probably the only other person than atma ballsy enough to say that this is probably just prejudice against atma. The fact that everyone I know with dislike of atma is now defending someone (a certain someone many others who have nothing against atma mostly agree is either a troll or very much pushing the limit) who, citing Bahamut's zero tolerance policy against trolling, should have been banned, is simply proof of this.

I think it's important that everyone say what they think about this. Opinions are important in a matter such as this.

[starla]

Why couldn't one of the other two scouts have changed? I don't understand why Atma was singled out :|

[atmuh]

and dont tell me that you we equal to all of them because your ban threat was to me specifically

[F4T4L]

k question... wtf is "griefing"?

and wtf. lol. is there no free will for the players to be whatever class they choose? I understand it's a team game, but the team is composed of individuals, and unless it's some strict clan match with a gameplan where everyone has rules issued to them to carry out for victory, then stifling someones ability to be whatever class they want to be is a bit ridiculous. If I joined a server, and someone told me to be a certain class and I refused because I suck with said class, and they banned me, I'd be outright f'n livid to think someone has a say in what class I choose to be in a game.

Just remember, it's only a GAME. The users deserve SOME freedoms that are within the boundaries of actual rules where they can enjoy the game. I am the furthest person from an Atma supporter, but from what I've read, this sounds a bit like abuse of power only because it's Atma, and there are far worse crimes in an online game than not changing their class to someone elses liking. But I guess I had to be there to really understand what happened.

[Bahamut]

No, the trolling was for purposely being petty for self pleasure through giving lip just because I pointed out a gaping problem in strategy.

The griefing is for purposely choosing not to switch from scout when there were 3 scouts on Granary and it was clearly causing the team to get rolled badly - one pointed out that he was the best scout so that was fine, but I was prepared to kick the other two for not working out any changes (not banning). Considering this is called TEAM Fortress 2, I don't see how anyone can disagree with this.

I'm far more level-headed about any of this moderation than most of you as I have almost 4 years of experience doing it, half of it at a former community that numbered over 100k people, and I always make sure to lay out exact reasons for any action on my part to remain consistent in general - unfair actions leave a bad taste in people's mouths who never had anything to do with the problem. Griefing is mentioned in the MOTD every time you log on though, and all my previous actions on prior griefing such as the older demo glitch abuse, demo sticky spawn camping, mic spamming, etc. were a warning, and if the person showed no clear intention to stop or a clear intention to flout the warning, a swift permaban. In this case, I gave ample warning even, and didn't even ban. Even initially when Atma chose to defy the clearly flawed strategy and gave a clear indication of mocking me, I just kicked, not permabanned, or even removed the reserve slot. He then came back on and joined the opposite team. The removal of the reserved slot and to be subsequent banning from the server is for continuing to ignore the crux of the situation and to bring irrelevancies into it.

Given my track record on dealing with problems on the server so far, he has gotten quite more chances than most do because I don't wish to be as harsh to reserved slot holders as they are regulars. However, Atma did not wish to play a team game and wanted to ruin the experience for the rest of the team, which probably would've ragequitted if the trend continued as always does with teams getting rolled that badly, all just to spite my constructive criticism of our class balance.

[Rambo]

I get extremely pissed off when people stack classes. Especially unnecessary classes for the situation, or a class I'm already playing. (because then I feel obligated to switch) And a lot of the time I ask, and then maybe yell at the worst player to switch. This is when I'm extremely frustrated. But all in all, it's just a game. And moreover it's just a PUB. You're gonna get a handful of people bad and good, new and veteran, having fun or being competitive. And that's the way a PUB is supposed to function. I'm sure Bahamut was just frustrated in this particular instance, and lost his cool. This happens to everyone. I'm sure he'll lift the ban tomorrow when things have calmed down.

To Bahamut,
if it's something you actually will actually never tolerate, you'd better make that ALOT more clear. We've had entire teams going the same class. Every class. Just having fun. And ALOT of cases where teams have had retarded amounts of the same class dragging people down. This isn't even close to being an isolated case in that respect. I suggest making a class limit in the server if you're serious about this, because it's almost impossible to regulate.

EDIT: I'm reading the posts that were made while I was typing this.

[Bahamut]

To Bahamut,
if it's something you actually will actually never tolerate, you'd better make that ALOT more clear. We've had entire teams going the same class. Every class. Just having fun. And ALOT of cases where teams have had retarded amounts of the same class dragging people down. This isn't even close to being an isolated case in that respect. I suggest making a class limit in the server if you're serious about this, because it's almost impossible to regulate.

The thing was, most of the people in all class teams agree to do it and that I have no problem with that - I even participate in it on occasion. But it was clear that most of the people on the team wanted to play a regular game in this instance from the way they played and from the classes the others chose, and here was an instance of 2 people dragging it down for the rest. One was silent about it, while the other chose to make an irrelevant complaint about it is the difference.

[atmuh]

No, the trolling was for purposely being petty for self pleasure through giving lip just because I pointed out a gaping problem in strategy.

i didnt say a thing until the end of the match and then switched teams
i wasnt laughing because we were doing bad i was trying to help

one pointed out that he was the best scout so that was fine, but I was prepared to kick the other two for not working out any changes (not banning).

[00:08:45] <Bahamut> I was ready to ban all 3 scouts

In this case, I gave ample warning even, and didn't even ban. Even initially when Atma chose to defy the clearly flawed strategy and gave a clear indication of mocking me, I just kicked, not permabanned, or even removed the reserve slot. He then came back on and joined the opposite team. The removal of the reserved slot and to be subsequent banning from the server is for continuing to ignore the crux of the situation and to bring irrelevancies into it.

that makes absolutely no sense i joined the other team because i could have fun there!

Given my track record on dealing with problems on the server so far, he has gotten quite more chances than most do because I don't wish to be as harsh to reserved slot holders as they are regulars. However, Atma did not wish to play a team game and wanted to ruin the experience for the rest of the team, which probably would've ragequitted if the trend continued as always does with teams getting rolled that badly, all just to spite my constructive criticism of our class balance.

or i just joined the other team because they were cool with me
and everyone was happy

also when the heck else have i almost gotten banned

[Zephyr]

On a lighter side, this made me laugh...

[00:09:21] <PosiBolt> Hey wes, is #ocrtf2 mentioned in the server info?
[00:09:29] <Bahamut> don't think so posi
[00:09:34] <PosiBolt> We should.
[00:09:49] <Bahamut> no, it's "I don't want 3 scouts when we're getting rolled due to nothing to hold them back"
[00:09:53] <PosiBolt> Get some more people this way, maybe get some more people interested in #ocremix while we're at it.
[00:09:58] <Bahamut> and then "but I want to be a scout waaaaaaaah"
[00:10:13] <garian> "getting rolled" as in you guys were defending, and had 3 scouts?
[00:10:19] <PosiBolt> Mention server and chat room info, and maybe a link to a page with instructions for IRC n00bs.

Serious discussion/argument going on, and posibolt is just chatting away... I lol'd

You may now continue the thread...

[Brushfire]

You gotta remeber that Atmuh likes to start out as a low pressure front. Then over time he will evolve into a dram hurricane that he personally derives pleasure from.

In short, Atmuh is just being Atmuh. It's kinda his thing to act immature.

I am in no way saying that what happend should be allowed however. If he was doing it with the sole purpose of making his team lose, then that is team griefing like Bahamut said.

The point is this: if you are playing a team based game, and are hurting the team dynamic, you Matt Watts will end up with a stapler in your eye!!

Edit: I had a pic to go with this to make the joke funnier, but it isn't working.

[Monobrow]

You don't think banning someone over a game is immature? :U

[Bahamut]

i didnt say a thing until the end of the match and then switched teams
i wasnt laughing because we were doing bad i was trying to help

And ignoring the balance like that was helping the team how?



[00:08:45] <Bahamut> I was ready to ban all 3 scoutsOk, so I may have said that in IRC out of anger for your ineptitude to figure out the line of events, but in actuality I would've just kicked at first. colin did give a good reason for him to remain scout though, hence why I mentioned 2 in that post.

that makes absolutely no sense i joined the other team because i could have fun there!That last sentence refers to your bringing it to IRC and pestering me with that bullshit you pulled and refuse to acknowledge.

or i just joined the other team because they were cool with me
and everyone was happyAnd what does that have to do with what you did beforehand? Oh, I see, nothing. Irrelevant to the discussion. If you really wanted to disagree like that, you should've switched beforehand instead of giving lip. The fact that you didn't puts the blame squarely on you.

also when the heck else have i almost gotten bannedI was referring to this situation in comparison with how I deal with situations involving someone breaking the server rules. As mentioned in the post you're quoting from, I normally ban quickly after just one warning, not 2 or 3 or more. However, taking account of all of what has transpired in all of this, it surely is more worthy of a ban than some of the other things I have banned for.


If you want a second chance, I'm willing to give it, but keep in mind the server rules and why they're there. I have little tolerance for people stepping over the line or trying to test the boundaries I set with my actions as you see tonight.

Edit: You don't think banning someone over a game is immature? :U

This would only be a ban from the game server, not related to the forums. In any case, does this validate not punishing someone for negative actions? That line of reasoning is greatly flawed.

[atmuh]

And ignoring the balance like that was helping the team how?

that is to say i was not griefing aka intentionally sucking balls and loling about it
i was simply practicing my scout which i have been doing and i have heard nothing but positive things about until i forgot that i never join your team



the fact that i switched to the other team shows that i was willing to finally concede if id have stayed after saying stop whining now thats griefing
and you should know by now i cant leave without throwin in my two cents

[Bahamut]

that is to say i was not griefing aka intentionally sucking balls and loling about it
i was simply practicing my scout which i have been doing and i have heard nothing but positive things about until i forgot that i never join your team

It was intentional, but just with a different purpose. You consciously and purposely chose not to switch. That makes it intentional. I never said you did it with the paramount intention for the team to lose, but that it was a clear consequence that you just chose not to think about.

[atmuh]

the only one constantly saying things was you so this is basically a case of play the game as i wanna play it or gtfo
usual baha fun not allowed rule

[Rambo]

Guys this topic has worn a little thin. Not to say stop discussing it, but If it's opinion cases and not server related, take it to PMs.

[Bahamut]

the only one constantly saying things was you so this is basically a case of play the game as i wanna play it or gtfo
usual baha fun not allowed rule

More like you wanted to ruin everyone else's fun. Sorry but the only one on the team that agreed with you was you - everyone else was silent about it and focusing on doing what they could or they affirmed what I said.

[atmuh]

so you assume that the silence means that they are definitely supporting you?
thats a little silly come on

[duckyboycantfly]

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[Rambo]

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Holy crap, ducky joined other forums!!

[Bahamut]

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Too bad I'm gonna stop with this right now :razz: .


I gave my final comment on resolution on the issue a few posts back. I'm not going to say anymore because I laid out a crystal clear explanation, filled with sentences that cut to the heart of the issue, not bringing in an irrelevant aspect to the argument that would detract from the point. It would be worthwhile to continue it if someone had a legitimate complaint with the specific line of argument, but nobody has brought up anything that addresses or is suggestive of what would be wrong with anything in this reasoning, so any productive discussion on this is dead and will be modded out of the thread.


As for map rotation, what did people think about the rotation tonight? To recap it:

cp_dustbowl
cp_well
pl_goldrush
ctf_2fort
tc_hydro
cp_dustbowl
ctf_turbine
cp_gravelpit

[Sensai]

/settles in to read the thread that has come down to a whole bunch of fighting

Look what TF2 is doing to us!!

/reads

[Edit:]

Done reading, but apparently the conversation is closed. If no one objects, I'd still like to give my two cents:

I think that this was just blown outta proportion. I think that Bahamut was a little upset that the team was losing when they should've been winning (something I can totally sympathize with) and there's Atmuh, playing a class that coincidentally has 2 other people already playing it. I think that Bahamut kind of went off the deep end a little because Atmuh is...well, Atmuh (voting for gravity and friendly fire all the time, haha) and it just escalated.

I'm hoping that people sleep on it and wake up to some great epiphany.

Also: I like that rotation, as I'm pretty sure that it was the one I made! I'm happy!

[Xerol Oplan]

Yeah it's all just too much bullshit and no one will even let me play without constantly riding me about every stupid thing i do that's 100% outside of my control so i'll just ifnd other servers

[atmuh]

I think that Bahamut kind of went off the deep end a little because Atmuh is...well, Atmuh (voting for gravity and friendly fire all the time, haha) and it just escalated.

aw come on i only did gravity twice!






and xerol in all seriousness (ok everyone sit down im going to be serious) the thing is you do a lot of typetalking very similar to your irc style (which usually boils down to whatever is going on on your computer with it breaking all the time and stuff) and really no one wants to hear that stuff so people like me will say to stop stop stop
youll notice when you yell at a sniper or about coming so close to a medpack i never say anything because everyone gets angry about that stuff and voices that anger
i mean if youre gonna type irrelevant stuff at least make it amusing like me so people dont get mad at you but instead laugh and whatnot

and as far as yelling about classes and stuff im almost never serious when telling you (AND ONLY YOU SO IM SERIOUS WHEN I YELL AT THE REST OF YOU) that youre awful because youre xerol!
if youd like me to stop doing that i (probably for the most part) will but dont take me seriously about that stuff
i honestly have no idea if youre good or not (except i know im a better sniper than you which means youre probably pretty bad)

[Dhsu]

Yeah, don't take the jabs so seriously. It won't get better on other servers, and at least here you know we're kidding half the time.

[Bahamut]

Xerol plays on a not so great comp - I've seen him try to play on his laptop at zircon's place during the Philly meetup, and wow that was terrible. I know the desktop isn't as bad, but I don't blame him for dying cause of that - I actually get happy when I see that Xerol kills someone, especially me, cause it shows that he tries to do what he can despite the computer and/or internet connection.

Yeah, don't take the jabs so seriously. It won't get better on other servers, and at least here you know we're kidding half the time.

Yeah, it's always far worse with random gamers. Some people are far more ascerbic in their complaints than any you see on the OCR server, and it's more regular. The only other server I consistently have enjoyed playing on is the Evil Avatar server (run by LiquidRain, the one who runs the Rainwave stream), but that's because I post on the forums there sometimes so it's not as random. When I get back to my apartment at school I want to be playing on there a little more often (maybe once a week or something like that) just to play with some others on another community.

[Rambo]

Yeah, don't take the jabs so seriously. It won't get better on other servers, and at least here you know we're kidding half the time.

If you don't play TF2 tomorrow night, I will delete all your songs off my MP3 player.


And add them back later.

[Brushfire]

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Great big Lulz!!

[Effef]

loldrama

You guys are like a butch lesbain couple: All of the bitching, none of the sex.