Super Mario RPG

[Zephyr]

So, how many of you are just playing this for the first time now with Wii VC? Does the game still stand up to today's standards? I bought the game back when it came out and I'm still loving it!

[Antipode]

It is the only one just for me.

[The Author]

Then I find out I'm stuck in Geno's maze...

[JH Sounds]

Give me frog coins, give me ice bombs, give me fright bombs, give me mushrooms...

[Chickenwarlord]

I need those damn frog coins to pay off all my credit problems!

[The Mutericator]

Then I find out I'm stuck in Geno's maze...

There are many secrets in this game!
Many of which drive some peeps insane!
Why we trynna' cheat on a really good game?
Just looks like crap and it makes you look lame!

[HideousBeing]

So, how many of you are just playing this for the first time now with Wii VC? Does the game still stand up to today's standards? I bought the game back when it came out and I'm still loving it!
It's my favorite Super Nintendo game. When Square and Nintendo combine their efforts, you either get a cataclysmic explosion or a game like this is produced.

[Antipode]

~ Like the moon over ~
~ the day, my genius and brawn ~
~ are lost on these fools ~

[nrich]

It was exceptionally entertaining back in 1996, and still is twelve years later. I'm glad the game was revived for a new generation to enjoy.

[The Author]

I've been playing it, and it aged well. And I finally own it. Take that mom with your "you already own enough games"

[Reaif]

This is kind of funny that this thread should show up all of a sudden. About 2 or 3 days ago, my sister from Korea was visiting my house, and we decided to sit down and play this game. If not for school and jobs and things, we might have finished the game in a few days, but we were only able to get 3 or 4 of the stars before she had to go.

I love this game immensely. I even have an original copy! Though I might do the VC thing because my sram battery is dying. :( Does anyone know what kind of battery you have to get to replace it?

[Antipode]

Yeah it's pretty much amazing and reminds me of my childhood. I wonder how people would react if Square and Nintendo came back together for a new Mario RPG (of course I guess now that Nintendo has way stricter standards for its main franchise characters it wouldn't be as "different" from regular mario as Mario RPG was back in the day).

[Nekofrog]

sIt's a great game, I rented it when it came out and kept it for like three months. That was a huge late fee, I tell you what.

Still, the Paper Mario series (sans the awful Wii Super Paper Mario) has more charm, humor, and is overall stronger than Mario RPG.

[EvilZereno]

Do any of you still have the original Strategy guide book for this game? This is the only game I've used it and gotten every last secret possible.

...Of course... that was before someone decided to steal my SMRPG cartridge and never return it... So I have no proof of my amazing accomplishment of getting everything. :(

[nrich]

Do any of you still have the original Strategy guide book for this game? This is the only game I've used it and gotten every last secret possible.

...Of course... that was before someone decided to steal my SMRPG cartridge and never return it... So I have no proof of my amazing accomplishment of getting everything. :(

The cover was ruined after a mysterious glass of water was spilt upon it, but I miraculously still have my copy. :D

[Bleck]

sans the awful Wii Super Paper Mario

hey now it wasn't that bad

[DrumUltimA]

I just bought it after seeing this topic. omnomnomonomonom

[MechaFone]

Holy. Fucking. Shit. It's out? IT'S OUT?!?! Why oh why did I have to discover this AFTER budgeting and we have no more money oh shit. sigh.

[DrumUltimA]

sIt's a great game, I rented it when it came out and kept it for like three months. That was a huge late fee, I tell you what.

Still, the Paper Mario series (sans the awful Wii Super Paper Mario) has more charm, humor, and is overall stronger than Mario RPG.

fuck you, now i have to play that series again

[Nekofrog]

hey now it wasn't that bad

It was fun, but awful compared to Paper Mario 2. That game is AMAZINGLY top tier; I have trouble recalling a single flaw.

SPM loses a ton in its transition to platformer-over-RPG. NPCs were bland and had no real shine to them, the "chapters" seemed lifeless and dull. How do you go from a game with an amazing train murder mystery, the awesome Rock Hawk chapter, etc., to that?

Just felt like Nintendo was phoning it in.

[Bleck]

Okay, I mostly agree with that. Comparitevly, it wasn't that good at all. But by itself it was still a much better game than most.

It's like Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 3 - with the exception of the better controls, MP3 is terrible compared to MP. But on it;s own, MP3 is still pretty good, you know?

Edit: Also I think it should be obvious, but Count Bleck is one of my favorite villains. A pretty unique character design, the most catchy theme song since Kefka, and a backstory easily more deep than any other Mario (or even Nintendo, for that matter) villain.

[Nekofrog]

Not to say SPM didn't still have outstanding moments. Luigi's expanded role was great, taking him from ally to foe to ally to foe and back again. His dialogue overall was above the rest of the game.

Almost every other secondary character failed to hit me with the same appeal. Most of them showed up and had little impact on the story, quite the opposite of Thousand Year Door. Even secondary characters and NPC's had good background information and some effort was given to explain them.

Bleck was one of the only truly redeeming factors of the game.

[Antipode]

You guys know what you've done to me? Now I have to go play all the Mario RPGs again.

[JCvgluvr]

It's like Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime 3 - with the exception of the better controls, MP3 is terrible compared to MP. But on it;s own, MP3 is still pretty good, you know?

MP3 was 90% as good as MP1. Seriously, terrible is an awfully strong word.

I'm gonna pick up SMRPG just as soon as I finish up some previous gaming commitments (like Majora's Mask).

[Aninymouse]

~ Like the moon over ~
~ the day, my genius and brawn ~
~ are lost on these fools ~


Did the flashing animation of the Spike Link hurt anyone else's eyes? I think I would close my eyes on the timed hit on my second playthrough, just because of how it irritated my eyes with that huge white flash.

[Bleck]

MP3 was 90% as good as MP1. Seriously, terrible is an awfully strong word.


no no no this is wrong wrong wrong

The only well designed environments were SkyTown and Phaaze, the latter of which is tainted by the awful gameplay twitch forced upon the player.

The music is okay, but that's it. Not good like MP or great like MP2.

The enemies mostly look ridiculous. I'm not sure why the Space Pirates and Metroids needed to have their appearance changed to something ultimately more silly looking than the previous titles.

The three other hunters were welcome additions - indeed, one of the things I was looking forward to was interaction with other characters (as opposed to just blowing them up and reading their logs), and the three of them had pretty interesting designs (especially Rundas, who looked very similar to Noxus from MPH, so I had assumed they would tie into that. Of course they didn't.). And they were all implied to have a previous relationship with Samus, which had the potential to give not just them but Samus herself a bit of actual development.

But boy, was I disappointed when not even 20% into the game, they suddenly become bad guys for stupid, stupid reasons. The least they could have done was either have them corrupted near the end of the game, or had them not just die and be 'absorbed' by Dark Samus whenever you beat them. That was a lazy, lazy move of them.

No multiplayer - ridiculous. As shallow as it was, the multiplayer in MP2 was one of it's best assets.

And finally, the bosses were just so so so bad. Especially compared to MP2s bosses. Mogenar was slow and unimaginative, Helios was pathetically simple, and Omega Ridley is almost a copy of Meta Ridley from MP.

Don't get me wrong, it's still top of the line when it comes to Wii titles in general. But for it's series - it was a disappointing low.

[Scufo]

I bought Mario RPG on VC a few days ago, this being the first time I've played it since renting it at some point in the distant past. It may have actually been the first RPG I ever played...either that or Pokemon. Regardless I sucked and recall losing horribly to Croco after being shocked at his ability to heal himself.

I gotta say, it's good, but I don't think it holds up to today's RPGs. The lack of random encounters and action commands (to use the Paper Mario term) must have been a breath of fresh air when it came out, but they're implemented better in both Paper Mario's. Combat could stand to be a little deeper too. I also find myself wanting some kind of hub area to return to after getting a star piece, but that's just me being biased towards Paper Mario.

Also, I agree heartily with everything that's been said about the Paper Mario series.

EDIT: As long as we're talking about MP now I will say that MP1 is far superior to the others. The game's environments were just incredible. They were beautiful, but at the same time alien and, more than anything, lonely. Talon Overworld, Phendrana Drifts, Chozo Ruins, and the crashed frigate in particular come to mind. MP was a game that managed to be extremely immersive, without making it painfully obvious that that was the devs' intent *cough*Oblivion*cough.* You could really step into Samus's shoes and feel her plight. This was aided by the game's excellent scan system.

[Weirdboyscott]

This is my favorite SNES game and even though I played it about a year ago I'm going to play it again at the same time as a friend of mine who is going to play the game for the first time since it came out on the VC.

[HideousBeing]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00002SVG3/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1221373786&sr=1-1

Wow, my copy just got pretty valuable to me.

Also, bigger digits are funner, for which I like SMRPG more. It's annoyingly repetitive to deal damage in absolute digits. And starting at one? You gotta be kidding me. It was funner when hoping for a bonus role that would take out a baddie that would normally take two hits.

Debate: Who's cooler? Grubba, or Johnny?

[Bleck]

FUNNER IS NOT A WORD.caps

[Weirdboyscott]

There is no part of Metroid Prime 2 that was even remotely better than anything in Metroid Prime 3.

[Antipode]

I know this isn't a Metroid thread, but I beg to differ - Prime 2 still nailed (not as much as the first Prime, but better than 3) the isolated atmosphere Metroid relies on. Plus, Torvus Bog and particularly the Sanctuary Fortress were just plain awesome (and Prime 2 had a lot more area to explore what with the dual worlds). What's more, I think Prime 2 had the best boss fights of the series. Prime 3s were still very well done, in my opinion, but not as good. Prime 3 sacrifices atmosphere and traditional Metroid play for awesome control and a coherent and more important storyline. Depending on how important each of those is to you, I can easily see people liking either over the other.

But yeah. Mario RPG.

[Ray Falling]

Since the game never made it to Europe, I don't have them childhood memories of it that some of you have ;_;

I do remember uhm >_> downloading it one day to play it on my PC and I did love the game a lot. Even though it was in French and I didn't get a single word whahahaha (how I managed to finish it in the first place is beyond me).

Anyway, I wanted to get it for the VC but for some reason my Wii can't connect to the net anymore. So I figured I'd just play the rom version on my old PC.

Overall it is a very entertaining game with a great battle system and well-balanced gameplay.
One problem I had with it was length though. I finished it pretty quickly, and I think they could have made it tons bigger as it comes nowhere near say...Final Fantasy 6.

Then again, I tend to play a game non-stop when I get it so it'd probably last for more days if I'd spend only a few hours a day playing.

Like in Paper Mario 64, your level will actually max out at 30 which I thought was kind of a shame. Then again, you're pretty much at the end of the game by that time so there's no real need for levelling up beyond that. That's why I'd have loved to see more content...like say, more or longer dungeons between getting stars.

I don't exactly get the hype around this game, but overall it is a pretty good game with tons of memorable moments. :)

[DrumUltimA]

FUNNER IS NOT A WORD.caps

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/

[LuketheXjesse]

Ahh...SMRPG...one of my childhood favorites! I remember getting it for my...6th, 7th birthday? I just remember my parents hating it because it wasn't the platfoming goodness they remember. I, however, thought it was the best game ever made (at the time). I mean, there were few RPGs then that had the fun and charm this one had. Seriously, everything was memorable almost. It was a MAGICAL game. And know what else? It had AWESOME music. You know what that means ;) I think it's time OC Remix gets a project on this thing PRONTO!

[Schwaltzvald]

Obligatory post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB-lIcHHPQ

[Zephyr]

I do remember uhm >_> downloading it one day to play it on my PC and I did love the game a lot. Even though it was in French and I didn't get a single word whahahaha (how I managed to finish it in the first place is beyond me).

How you made it through the puzzles in bowser's castle is beyond me...

Sidenote: Jinx is awesome.

[LuketheXjesse]

Believe me when I say I was VERY good as a kid. And yes Bowser's castle was hard but I managed. I beat the game at least 5 times as a kid.

One of the greatest things about the game, now that I think about it, is that you can't miss anything in it. There are many RPGs where you can miss things and I think that's just bad game design.

[megadave]

The thing I didn't like about it is that it doesn't allow you level up past level 30 or somewhere around there. That really annoyed me. Dammit, I'm trying to finish another RPG before I download this game, but I'm tempted to do it right now.

[zircon]

I LOOOOVE SMRPG. Back in 5th grade or so that was a favorite rental of mine... I remember getting stuck at the underwater ship, where you have to put in "PEARLS" as a password. GameFAQs wasn't around at this point, or at least, I didn't have access to it. One day, I randomly asked some kid in my class - who I heard had an SNES - if he knew how to get past that level, and he said, "Yeah! Want to come over to my house?" This guy then went on to become one of my best friends :)

The game is just so well done in almost every respect. The perfect blend of traditional gameplay, action puzzles, minigames, and secrets. The Lazy armor does make things a little easy if you give it to Peach, and doing over 20-25 super jumps is next to impossible (I could never do it) but it's still awesome.

[Cottus&Gyes]

Oh Culex, how annoying you are.

[atmuh]

and doing over 20-25 super jumps is next to impossible (I could never do it)

my record was 40

[Lizz]

I never really got into this game, even back in the day. Something just seemed too... square... about it. Not to say it was bad (it wasn't) but I enjoyed Paper Mario far much more. I still have my copy, though.
Now, if only EB made it to VC. I have a copy of that too (game and guide on ebay for $7) but it'd be wonderful to see it.

[MechaFone]

So does anyone remember how to level up far beyond that of your toughest enemies right before you get to them?
When you're chasing Croco, there's an invincibility thing in the third or fourth segment. Get it, use it. Now die. You'll start back where you last saved (preferably two segments back) and you'll keep your exp points. Keep doing it until Croco is gone with one flame attack (I've gotten to level 11 before even getting to Croco this way.)
Also, in the sunken ship, after the stairway with the starfish, there's a Dry Bones tucked away in a corner with a Mushroom in a box. Inside are two Dry Bones, two Reapers and a...some monster. Defeating this group will earn you nearly 30 exp points. The great thing is, Dry Bones keeps getting back up! You can repeat this procedure over and over again. They're pretty tough, but keep it up and you can destroy them all in one hit with Mallow's first thunder spell. I believe I got all my characters up to level 18 before I carried on. Johnny and his crew couldn't deal more than 2 damage at one time. So history.

[Imagist]

I also find myself wanting some kind of hub area to return to after getting a star piece, but that's just me being biased towards Paper Mario.

This is the worst convention of the Paper Mario series and I hate it with a passion. I mean it worked all right once, but using it in every single one of them just made them all feel too similar, plot-wise.

Believe me when I say I was VERY good as a kid. And yes Bowser's castle was hard but I managed. I beat the game at least 5 times as a kid.

One of the greatest things about the game, now that I think about it, is that you can't miss anything in it. There are many RPGs where you can miss things and I think that's just bad game design.

You do realize he wasn't talking to you about Bowser's castle? He was talking to Ray Falling, who was playing the game in another language, which makes the puzzles in Bowser's castle very improbable to beat without ridiculous luck.

Also, if you think you can't miss anything, two words:
Lazy.
Shell.
Actually, two more words:
Star.
Egg.
Both are so incredibly easy to miss I didn't know they existed for almost ten years.

Oh Culex, how annoying you are.

Safety Badge on one of your party members, Lazy Shell armor on another, plenty of Pick Me Ups for the third, and then go at him with the Star Egg. Sure the animation gets bloody KILL-YOUR-FRIENDS-TO-STOP-THE-MADNESS annoying after the fifth or sixth time, and the tactic mind-numbingly repetitive, but when all else fails, use the Star Egg.

[LuketheXjesse]

?????

You can get either of those at any time in the game. I mean, after a certain point I mean. When I say you can miss items, I mean you can never get them after you pass a certain point. There is nothing like that in SMRPG. You can miss the Lazy Shell and Star Egg out of pure ignorance. I never heard of the Star Egg until I heard about it in a magazine. I found the Lazy Shell on my own however. Not my first time through though, that's for sure.

One game you can miss stuff and never get it is Final Fantasy IX. Great game, but it's really aweful in that aspect.

[LuketheXjesse]

I never found Culex too bad after awhile. Though I must say the very first time I found him in SMRPG (9 years old?) I went giddy with excitement because I had a new boss to fight. Got pwned though >_>

[Radiowar]

This is definitely my favourite game ever. I set up my snes a couple months ago to play through it again for the first time since I was like 8 years old and it was weird because I sort of instinctively knew where all the secrets and hidden chests were without actually knowing what I was doing.

Still can't get 100 super jumps though.

[Ray Falling]

You do realize he wasn't talking to you about Bowser's castle? He was talking to Ray Falling, who was playing the game in another language, which makes the puzzles in Bowser's castle very improbable to beat without ridiculous luck.


Whahaha, yeah. I think what I did was take the 2 rooms with the battles, and then the 2 with the maze-like puzzles. You only had to do 4 out of 6 right? or was it 6 out of 8? 0_0;

It really is a miracle I got through the game not even knowing what the heck people were saying. I did the same with Secret of Mana (also in French).

In any case, playing a US version not too long ago, I didn't have much trouble with Culex, but I did try to rush through the Axem Rangers. I ended up with 2 dead guys and 1 lazy shell Mallow, effectively dealing only 1 to 5 damamage each turn u_u; it took ages to get through whahaha. Of course I never got more than 1 damage myself either. So much for that Optimus Prime and his silly ray!

[HideousBeing]

Last summer, just for kicks, I actually leveled Mario all the way to 30 only in Mushroom way. Basically, the first chance I got to cap out, I did it there. Before even following Toad to Mushroom Kingdom.

It got sooooooo monotonous. It would take about an hour to level up near the end IIRC. It was awesome to trash Mac in a couple of hits. It was also funny, because while Mario was capped out, all the other party members would join at their normal levels.

I'm just glad I didn't pursue this goal with FFVII. I'd still be doing it.

[Zephyr]

Easy way to beat this game;

Mario (with Lazy Shell)
Peach (with Lazy shell armor... and of course the frying pan)
Bowser

^This team can beat anything.

I often swap out bowser for Geno though, just because Geno is amazing.

Geno for Brawl!

Also, I don't know if I've ever used a single Kerokerocola... I compulsively save them in case I need them at some point, I don't even use them on smithy for some reason...

[Drack]

Lazy Shell armor = dead Culex.

[Weirdboyscott]

I know this isn't a Metroid thread, but I beg to differ - Prime 2 still nailed (not as much as the first Prime, but better than 3) the isolated atmosphere Metroid relies on. Plus, Torvus Bog and particularly the Sanctuary Fortress were just plain awesome (and Prime 2 had a lot more area to explore what with the dual worlds). What's more, I think Prime 2 had the best boss fights of the series. Prime 3s were still very well done, in my opinion, but not as good. Prime 3 sacrifices atmosphere and traditional Metroid play for awesome control and a coherent and more important storyline. Depending on how important each of those is to you, I can easily see people liking either over the other.

But yeah. Mario RPG.

Who cares about the isolation factor of Metroid Prime 2? I thought a lot of the fun in Metroid Prime 3 came from how you got to interact with the Galactic Federation and your hunter buddies, and it was a nice change of pace. There were only 2 songs in the entire game that were listenable beacuse of the whole idea that dark dimension songs were more ambient... but you ambient up an already extremely ambient song and you just get a held note with some blips. And saying that Prime 2 has more area to explore because of the 2nd dimension is pretty cheap, it wasn't interesting exploring Dark Aether it was just a chore making long travel between the two to solve something a total bore.

Good boss fights? Right... half of them had very obvious and lame strategies like the big bug you had to use multi-missiles on and the one you had to spider ball bomb, not to mention with such inspired names like "Jump Guardian" and "Bomb Guardian."

But anyway... back to SMRPG, am I the only one here that feels guilty for using the Lazy Shells? I only really can feel good about using both of those shells on Culex, otherwise it just feels too cheap. Although I do really like the whole bit with the gardner in Rose Town when he babbles so quickly... one of the most memorable little optional encounters along with tickling the village elder in Seaside Town.

Ohh... and everytime I get to Marrymore I always have to save my game and totally screw around with the suite, I just can't help myself every time I play through this game. I'll order the suite and keep the bellhop waiting by jumping on the bed of the sleeping guy in the regular rooms, of course I'll never tip. It's always great to take at least two showers and bounce on the beds before you go back and tell the bellhop to get lost. Several showers and like an extra week later of staying in the suite it is pretty fun trying to sneak out and then have to work for the hotel for a while.

[Imagist]

Who cares about the isolation factor of Metroid Prime 2? I thought a lot of the fun in Metroid Prime 3 came from how you got to interact with the Galactic Federation and your hunter buddies, and it was a nice change of pace.

The "isolation factor" is what makes Metroid Metroid. "A nice change of pace" made it, while still a good game, an entirely different game than Metroid ever was. Granted, this trend started as far back as when the series returned, with Metroid Fusion, so the fact that both Hunters and Prime 3 continued that development could have been expected, but part of why Prime 2 (and especially Prime) worked is that it adhered to the traditional, isolated atmosphere of the series.

[Zup]

I'm just waiting for Super Metroid RPG. I hear Mother Brain joins your party!

[Nekofrog]

The "isolation factor" is what makes Metroid Metroid. "A nice change of pace" made it, while still a good game, an entirely different game than Metroid ever was. Granted, this trend started as far back as when the series returned, with Metroid Fusion, so the fact that both Hunters and Prime 3 continued that development could have been expected, but part of why Prime 2 (and especially Prime) worked is that it adhered to the traditional, isolated atmosphere of the series.

Exploration is what makes a Metroid a Metroid game, not isolation.

Seriously, Samus exists in an almost endless universe with an endless number of races and people. She has to run into them SOMETIMES, and the whole "stick Samus on a planet all by her lonesome" schtick is REALLY old.

She needs to start interacting with the rest of the galaxy, that is infinitely more interesting. That is the ultimate Metroid game; exploring its own galaxy and mythos.

[Schwaltzvald]

She needs to start interacting with the rest of the galaxy, that is infinitely more interesting. That is the ultimate Metroid game; exploring its own galaxy and mythos.

So... a super mario galaxy rendition of Metroid..?

Sadly I'm having a difficult time what else the bounty hunter will go or do. Unless there's a new race of metroid like creatures out needing to be eradicated..?

Or ya know... a remake of Metroid 2: Return of Samus from the GB done right without being in developement hell..?

[Nohbody]

The "isolation factor" is what makes Metroid Metroid. "A nice change of pace" made it, while still a good game, an entirely different game than Metroid ever was. Granted, this trend started as far back as when the series returned, with Metroid Fusion, so the fact that both Hunters and Prime 3 continued that development could have been expected, but part of why Prime 2 (and especially Prime) worked is that it adhered to the traditional, isolated atmosphere of the series.
True. In MP3 I was like who the hell is this pink woman I want to be alone.




They should make a Metroid RPG, without other people. That would break the mold.

[Antipode]

Exploration is what makes a Metroid a Metroid game, not isolation.
There's no single thing that totally defines any series. Up until Prime 3, isolation is just as much a factor of the atmosphere as the exploration and backtracking. WBS, I agree that a lot of the fun of Prime 3 is finally being able to interact with other characters. I still hold, though, that this sort of interaction felt out of place in the Metroid series. Thankfully Prime 3 seemed to integrate it pretty well and still provide at least some of the vibe of the previous games (which to me, is the very most important thing). One thing Prime 3 did excellently on that I agree with Nekofrog on is the expansion of the storyline. The Metroid universe is extremely rich and wide-open and it seems a shame not to regularly go a bit more indepth on some things. I would DEFINITELY not complain if they kept up this level of storytelling in future games.

About the bosses - WBS, I meant that the bosses of Prime 2 were the best of the series in that they were simply the best designed. Each relied at least in part on the item you recently got while still requiring some ingenuity to figure out the puzzle. Plus, each one was usually lengthy with multiple forms and had a good amount of challenge to it! I LOVE bosses that require you to switch into morph ball and back, or ones that make you switch visors back and forth to keep up, and Prime 2 had this in spades (though I'll grant you their names weren't very interesting). Still, I liked the idea very much of each boss having one of your stolen abilities that you had to fight to "earn back". I won't defend most of the Dark World music you ragged on because it wasn't really music...but the main game's music I still feel was much more Metroidy than Prime 3's music (which, no matter how you slice it, is very important to continuity of the trilogy). In a nutshell, I like Prime 2 more than Prime 3 because it fits in better and I'm crazy about continuity and I found the scheme of deep exploration of the dual-world to be way more engaging than light exploration of multiple worlds.

But yeah.

Mario RPG.

[jmr]

Or ya know... a remake of Metroid 2: Return of Samus from the GB done right without being in developement hell..?
http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
I dunno if that fits your definition of 'done right', but if Nintendo were to release a remake like that, I know I'd buy it.

[Bleck]

Sadly I'm having a difficult time what else the bounty hunter will go or do.

Samus is a bounty hunter. Obviously, she'd be flying around capturing/killing people for cash.

[SwordBreaker]

LOL @ zircon for the PEARLS puzzle. I was stuck there too back in the day! My mom helped me with that one. That just brings back some good memories.

Super Mario RPG was my first RPG ever so I have very fond memories of it. It's the first time that I got familiar with Square as a developer. You can say this game is the reason I'm a Square-Enix and RPG fanatic. Really changed my gaming tastes back then. I still own my copy yet I bought the VC one for the hell of it! Talk about nostalgia.

And recently Square-Enix and Nintendo start developing together to make...Mario Hoops?! Seriously, that's bullshit. Give me Mario RPG 2 for crying out loud!

Gotta agree with Nekofrog on how AWESOME Paper Mario 2 is. It's the best in the series because of how solid the gameplay is and how hilarious the dialogue can get. Hawk Rawk is awesome and Bowser's sequences were just made of WIN. The series lost a lot of its charm with Super Paper Mario, but that game is as hilarious as PM2. Let's not forget Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Loved that game because it reminded me of Mario RPG the most for some reason.

[Schwaltzvald]

Samus is a bounty hunter. Obviously, she'd be flying around capturing/killing people for cash.

If I wanted that I'd go watch Walker Texas Ranger reruns along side with dog the bounty hunter shows; and that gets boring real fast, unless I get the actual cut of the prize money. I mean in terms of events that affect more than say ten lives when it comes to Samus...

[Weirdboyscott]

I remember that I rented this game and completed it before I had to take it back before I eventually got it for Christmas. Ohh god... that's PEARLS password! I was so pressed and worried for time when I rented it and I had read the "L" as an "I." I got all the password clues and I was still totally lost. Like SwordBreaker my mother tried to help me out with it, I went with her to Half Priced Books and searched through the dictionaries and scrabble dictionaries and stuff... but it was a total bust.

On the way home she had the idea to go into Blockbuster and just sneak a peek at the strategy guide, and when I figured out that was an "L" and not an "I" I totally flipped out.

[Imagist]

At first I thought the password was "corals." Silly me.

[MechaFone]

Samus = Ellen Ripley. Let's have some Metroid/Alien action.

[Bleck]

Just beat this, watching the credits right now.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I played it to death and frankly, the SNES one will do. Nintendo actually heard a hardcore gaming opinion. zomg

[LuketheXjesse]

I remember that I rented this game and completed it before I had to take it back before I eventually got it for Christmas. Ohh god... that's PEARLS password! I was so pressed and worried for time when I rented it and I had read the "L" as an "I." I got all the password clues and I was still totally lost. Like SwordBreaker my mother tried to help me out with it, I went with her to Half Priced Books and searched through the dictionaries and scrabble dictionaries and stuff... but it was a total bust.

On the way home she had the idea to go into Blockbuster and just sneak a peek at the strategy guide, and when I figured out that was an "L" and not an "I" I totally flipped out.

Guess what? I needed my parents for help on that too. Guess we all sucked at that part as kids. :P

[Schwaltzvald]

Nintendo actually heard a hardcore gaming opinion. zomg

Then Cho Aniki came in... no pun intended...

>:L

[LuketheXjesse]

Just beat this, watching the credits right now.

I think emulators take away from the magic ;_;

That's why I've refused to play SMRPG on an emulator 'til I get another copy on Ebay.

That's right...in middle school I SOLD SMRPG because I was greedy and wanted money. I deeply, deeply, regret that decision. Then again, didn't we all make bad decisions in Middle School?? :p

[Schwaltzvald]

I think emulators take away from the magic ;_;

That's why I've refused to play SMRPG on an emulator 'til I get another copy on Ebay.

That's right...in middle school I SOLD SMRPG because I was greedy and wanted money. I deeply, deeply, regret that decision. Then again, didn't we all make bad decisions in Middle School?? :p

Not at all, made sure I made good friends and kicked the asses of those that wish to rebel against me.

[SoloGamer]

Guess what? I needed my parents for help on that too. Guess we all sucked at that part as kids. :P
My parents are Mexican immigrants, so I was shit out of luck when I got to that part in my first playthrough (I was pretty close though. I originally tried OYSTER). Luckily it was a rental, so I just screwed around in another person's save file.

I had better luck on my second rental and made it all the way to the Valentina fight. Finally beat it in 2001 when I bought a used copy from Funcoland.

[Cottus&Gyes]

Oh Funcoland, how you backstabbed me in the face.

[The Mutericator]

Just beat this, watching the credits right now.

Russel Cox's "Farewell Star Guardian" can still make me tear up. Geno was the first real "badass" character I'd ever seen in a video game, and still one of my favorites.

Also, throw me onto the "needed help with PEARLS" pile, though I actually asked my Grandma for help in that one. I wrote down all the clues I could remember and the next day she called me back and told me to try PEARLS, and when I beat the game I called her back and thanked her. xD

[Argle]

Great game with a fantastic soundtrack.

[Airwalker]

I asked my sister about the "PEARLS" thing. She beat the game before me. :oops:

[Secret Agent Man]

I, too, had to ask about the PEARLS riddle. I could never get through that 3D maze... Incidentally, I had a friend who I asked about it, and he told me. Ah, the days before the Internet took over my life.

Oh, and I enjoyed vastly overspending at the luxury suite too.

[atmuh]

i still have my copy in the box and everything

[Zephyr]

Hehe, I managed the PEARLS by myself, (and yes I was as young as you all) I managed to beat all of the puzzles to get the clues, I always remember the 3d maze... Also how you can sneak past the reapers into the puzzle rooms if you're uber sneaky.

[Weirdboyscott]

That 3D maze in the sunken ship was a bitch but you know what was worse? The barrel counting quiz in Bowser's castle, that always frustrated me.

[Bleck]

It's funny, though. As much as I love Geno, now that I've played the game again after all these years - there isn't really that much to him. He barely even has any speaking parts throughout the game.

[Weirdboyscott]

I guess Geno was so cool beacsue of his backstory and his character design, I mean he just oozed cool all over, but even then I still think it was the most badass thing ever to have Bowser team up with you. I remember after that getting into Super Mario 64 and wondering what the hell Bowser was doing fighting Mario still, and it felt so out of date. I also remember playing Mario 64 at a Blockbuster and the lowest save file was 1 star and I just had to delete it because I thought they had gotten pretty far! But that was of course before I knew that Mario 64 had 120 stars instead of 7.

[Zephyr]

Geno also has the wicked cool ability to do 9999 damage with Geno whirl. You can take out the sword (Exor I think?) in one hit with that, it's just really hard to do. I'm pretty sure I've done it once though.

I love belome too, but being turned into a scarecrow sucks... especially if it happens to your whole party... at once... AARGH!

[MajLink]

Played straight through it when it came out last week on the VC. Love Mario RPG especially the Lazy Shells. The game is practically over once you get them. Oh and the theme music to Nimbus Land, love the music in Nimbus Land.

[LuketheXjesse]

Having Bowser on team was so cool. And Yes Geno oozed cool simply because of his design. Let's face it, he's one of the underdogs of gaming with a lot of fans. I mean, didn't we all want him in brawl? Yes. Did we get him, or, for that matter, anyone else we wanted in Brawl? No ('cept maybe Wolf :3). But I'm getting off topic.

What boss was the most difficult for you in SMRPG the first time?

For me? Yardovich. Probably the most difficlut in my opinion.

[The Author]

What boss was the most difficult for you in SMRPG the first time?

For me? Yardovich. Probably the most difficlut in my opinion.
Last fight with the Axem Rangers.

I actually dread this moment in this new playthrough.

[Ruby_Moon]

So, how many of you are just playing this for the first time now with Wii VC? Does the game still stand up to today's standards? I bought the game back when it came out and I'm still loving it!
I haven't played it on VC, but I still have my SNES and the original game. I may get it on VC just because it rocks.

[Sag Ee Mana]

SNES emulated on the PSP, so I play it at work when I have to stay the evening.

I don't know if I'll fight Culex again, but the fun is there for now. (and I have of course the original game with the Super Nes)

[atmuh]

SNES emulated on the PSP

is the emulation still awful

[LuketheXjesse]

Last fight with the Axem Rangers.

I actually dread this moment in this new playthrough.

OH WOW. Forgot about that fight. That one MIGHT be tougher than Yardovich.

[MajLink]

OH WOW. Forgot about that fight. That one MIGHT be tougher than Yardovich.

Yardovich is tough, but Axem Rangers take the cake (and no I'm not referring to the boss that is an actual cake in the game.)

[Gollgagh]

is the emulation still awful

I can't stand it, if that says anything.

[Bleck]

what are you all talking about the axem rangers are a piece of cake

[atmuh]

I can't stand it, if that says anything.

ya its still awful then

[LuketheXjesse]

Another thought: Super Mario RPG; best RPG ever? What do you guys think? For its time it just might be. Skies of Arcadia comes close in my opinion.

[Bleck]

the best RPG ever will always be FF6

[The Author]

the best RPG ever will always be FF6

FF4...

FF6 started the sad trend of "I am a martial artist, however, I shall use magic because frankly, quick ultima ultima is pretty cool...!"

[LuketheXjesse]

...

I hate you now. I completely forgot about that one. And yet at the same time it makes me happy there's so many glorious games I can actually forget some of them.

Yes, FF6 truly is one of the best games ever. Hmm...maybe better than SMRPG...it definetley doesn't have as much magic as SMRPG, given, but better gameplay I must admit.

[Nekofrog]

Another thought: Super Mario RPG; best RPG ever? What do you guys think? For its time it just might be. Skies of Arcadia comes close in my opinion.

Not even remotely close. Don't make stupid statements like this.

[LuketheXjesse]

It's my damn opinion. How's that stupid? It's stupid that you're posting a completely unproductive comment and not even going to the trouble to explain why you think my comment is "stupid". Can you at least say WHY my comment is stupid?

Of course, the above might not mean a thing and you could just be trying to be an attention whore.

[Arek the Absolute]

dont
just dont bro

also much love for smrpg

[Prince of the Stars]

Not even remotely close. Don't make stupid statements like this.

Asshole post of the thread.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

So, how many of you are just playing this for the first time now with Wii VC? Does the game still stand up to today's standards? I bought the game back when it came out and I'm still loving it!
This game will be an all time favorite for me and I'll probably show it to my children.
I think it exceeds today's standards for gameplay and story, just give the game some really cool cell-shaded graphics and it would be a hit once more.

[LuketheXjesse]

Lol. Well said both of you.

Moving back to the subject here. What about SMRPG's music? I liked ALL of the games' battle music a lot...and that's about all I can come up with off the top of my head. I'd have to research the rest to remember it.

[LuketheXjesse]

This game will be an all time favorite for me and I'll probably show it to my children.
I think it exceeds today's standards for gameplay and story, just give the game some really cool cell-shaded graphics and it would be a hit once more.

Hmm...I think some games are not meant to be remade...

...and SMRPG is NOT one of them :)

A remake of SMRPG would be a magical experience. But not on a small-time thing like DS. No, a full-fledged console remake, with Square (Square-ENIX) taking the lead yet again.

[Schwaltzvald]

Not even remotely close. Don't make stupid statements like this.

To elaborate, Nekofrog's point being is that there are other rpgs that actually, holy shit wait for it... are better than SMRPG.


What SMRPG has running for itself is the nostalgia factor along with it's own unique, if not, imo, simplified introduction to the RPG genre.

To blatantly say that "it's the best rpg out there" with nothing to really support that claim just makes one look foolish and worse, a fanboy that ought to be shunned.

I enjoyed the game as much as any one who've played it the first time and went back to find everything, but I don't consider it the best rpg out there... Possibly a good game to introduce the RPG genre for newcomers, but not the best...

[Weirdboyscott]

The mimics are always the enemies I dread the most... you know the really tough monsters hiding in treasure chests the like to summon monsters to fight with them and heal themselves as well. Technically they aren't bosses but they're still a huge pain in the ass, and I always end up forgetting which treasure chests are which and still open them.

[Nekofrog]

To elaborate, Nekofrog's point being is that there are other rpgs that actually, holy shit wait for it... are better than SMRPG.


What SMRPG has running for itself is the nostalgia factor along with it's own unique, if not, imo, simplified introduction to the RPG genre.

To blatantly say that "it's the best rpg out there" with nothing to really support that claim just makes one look foolish and worse, a fanboy that ought to be shunned.

I enjoyed the game as much as any one who've played it the first time and went back to find everything, but I don't consider it the best rpg out there... Possibly a good game to introduce the RPG genre for newcomers, but not the best...

I was going to reply to him but then I read this, so, this.

[I-n-j-i-n]

I think it's fine to say SMRPG is one of the best traditional JRPG style RPGs. The overworld system with the Mario jumping aspect is still one of the best over-world systems out there. The battle is simplified, but it doesn't feel dumbed down or too long in the tooth by the time you fight the final and extra bosses. I'm still partial towards games like Vesperia now (AMAZING battle system) and FF7 (still the best overall JRPG story IMO) and Suikoden, Xenogears/saga and Star Ocean games. But I think SMRPG is a great mention. I would say it is probably one of the most tightly made JRPGs and to me, easily the best Mario spinoff. But then again, the five Paper Mario games were pretty amazing too. But they didn't quite have the burst of original ideas SMRPG had with the attack/defense timing, the real time overworld (Paper Mario games had some and then just blew open that aspect with Super Paper Mario. Pretty shallow game but great at that overworld stuff I guess), etc.

[Arrow]

Anybody remember back in those days in the 90's when our "knowledgeable" friends and classmates claimed Culex was a hidden boss in FFIV?

Good times, good times.

[LuketheXjesse]

The mimics are always the enemies I dread the most... you know the really tough monsters hiding in treasure chests the like to summon monsters to fight with them and heal themselves as well. Technically they aren't bosses but they're still a huge pain in the ass, and I always end up forgetting which treasure chests are which and still open them.

Tough time with those myself. After beating the game a couple of times, however, they weren't too bad.

[Sag Ee Mana]

is the emulation still awful

Yes, the emulator has some issues with game speed, it's slower with mode 7 and some animations.

But it's ok for me, I don't play enough SNES emulator to be tired of that, hopefully PSX games are there too, and work perfectly. (example : I've put PSX Chrono Trigger, not SNES original one.)

[Nekofrog]

Yes, the emulator has some issues with game speed, it's slower with mode 7 and some animations.

But it's ok for me, I don't play enough SNES emulator to be tired of that, hopefully PSX games are there too, and work perfectly. (example : I've put PSX Chrono Trigger, not SNES original one.)

Also problems with sound effects from time to time.