Apologies to the OCR crew

[NeoS]

Hi guys and gals,

I just wanted to tell you i'm sorry for being such a prick about my rejected tracks in the past and saying stuff about OCR being biased about trance remixes in general.

Why am I saying this? Well, last night I had an interesting conversation with another artist who really likes trance alot (I guess i won't have to tell his name, since if you know him, you know who I mean) and used to think just like me. We both used to think there was some kind of prejudice against 4-on-the-floor beats in remixes, if you will.

He pointed out something I've never actually thought about before. I guess most of the people on OCR haven't really.
You guys deliver a great stage for people who love videogames and the music in them, letting them express their artistic impressions towards some particular song they like best. It takes alot of work to get a site like this up and running, supporting a community with so many people.
I've been lurking around OCR for a long time now, and I of all people should know you guys put alot of effort into evaluating remixes and supporting new artists as much as you can.

So that's why I post this "apologies" thread. I hope someday one of my remixes will be accepted on this site, since I've been trying for quite some time now. But I realised that when they don't, I only have myself to blame.

So, again, i'm really sorry for being such an asshat before.
/end of rant

[KyleJCrb]

Kinda funny, since there is a small subset of folks out there who think that OCR is good for nothing other than "four-on-the-floor" trance remixes. Just goes to show how we all perceive things differently.

[SLyGeN]

We don't do trance here. Imagine what would happen if one of our trance mixers came down with a lethal disease.

[JH Sounds]

I still remember when you transformed a potentially OCR-worthy Zelda 64 mix into unintelligible trance rubbish. That collab was doomed from the start. :<

[Magewout]

Trance is the godliest genre on this earth, why would people dislike it O.o

[LuketheXjesse]

Trance is the godliest genre on this earth, why would people dislike it O.o

Replace "trance" with Progressive Metal.

Trance is awesome though.

[Scaredsim]

Replace "trance" with Progressive Metal.

Trance is awesome though.


Replace "awesome" with meh. :<

[Skrypnyk]

everybody knows ocr has a hate bias against speedcore.

also, jdgfgts and stuff.

[big giant circles]

What exactly is "trance"? Are we talking about some kind of music here?

[JH Sounds]

I believe it is a state of being.

[SoloGamer]

No, I think this thread is about FF IX

[LuketheXjesse]

Lol apparently noone here likes trance a whole lot.

I will say Trance isn't a genre to take uber-seriously, but rather just a genre for fun. You know what I mean? That's just how some genres are. Others can actually be appreciated for talent and whatnot.

EDIT: Of course it doesn't HAVE to have talent and imagination to actually be good to listen to. Just look at Trivium.

[Gollgagh]

trance is good if you're listening to good trance

otherwise it's shit to middlin'



Global-Trance knows good stuff btw

[Skrypnyk]

I will say Trance isn't a genre to take uber-seriously,

Question.

What genre then are you allowed to take 'uber-seriously'?

[LuketheXjesse]

Question.

What genre then are you allowed to take 'uber-seriously'?

Well, anything that you think took a lot of talent and imagination to make. Which isn't really restricted by genre. But it's not really all that often Trance goes there in my opinion.

Of course, the band with the most imagination and talent (in my opinion) is in my sig ;)

[Moseph]

Question.

What genre then are you allowed to take 'uber-seriously'?
18th century fugues of four or more voices.

[Toadofsky]

Trance isn't bad, but to me it has to keep me interested. Of course, whether or not a mix is good is a matter of opinion.

I consider Ecco Defender of the future to have a little elements of trance, but maybe I'm crazy...

I wish they'd port that game to wii, played like 5 minutes of it on Dreamcast, and loved every minute of it...

[LuketheXjesse]

Trance isn't bad, but to me it has to keep me interested. Of course, whether or not a mix is good is a matter of opinion.

I consider Ecco Defender of the future to have a little elements of trance, but maybe I'm crazy...

I wish they'd port that game to wii, played like 5 minutes of it on Dreamcast, and loved every minute of it...

The little bit of Ecco I remember was playing it on my cousins' Genesis. I always heard good stuff about the genesis version though.

[Global-Trance]

trance is good if you're listening to good trance

otherwise it's shit to middlin'



Global-Trance knows good stuff btw

As a trance DJ, I'm gonna put my two cents into this. The reason why I think trance isn't so well received here is because OCR trance is pretty abysmal if you compare it to actual good trance... only exception is one artist we all know and love... and as good as he is, he still has much progress to make.




Just saying.

[GigaShadow]

Question.

What genre then are you allowed to take 'uber-seriously'?

None. Taking something as broad as an entire musical genre as 'uber-serious' is silly.

[GeckoYamori]

Trance is the godliest genre on this earth, why would people dislike it O.o

A. Untzz untzz untzz untzz

B. People who think it's commercialized sugar-coated supersaw shit compared to its original incarnation

[LuketheXjesse]

A. Untzz untzz untzz untzz

B. People who think it's commercialized sugar-coated supersaw shit compared to its original incarnation

What exactly IS its original incarnation, if I may ask?

[Steffan Andrews]

Musical merit aside, trance relies heavily on production value to sell itself because of its minimal nature. I think that may be one area where people fall short simply by way of lack of technical experience. In terms of musical content, I don't have a problem with four on the floor as long as it's not just a copy and paste effort with a melody riding on top.

BTW, the "two finger madness" patches in Nexus are hilarious. I love those.

[Liontamer]

The reason why I think trance isn't so well received here is because OCR trance is pretty abysmal if you compare it to actual good trance...
Thems fighting words, Wu! Back 'em up!

[JH Sounds]

I just realized that OCR's trance has never entranced me.

[OA]

hey guys i seem to have lost my trance.




oh wait, I was confused. I mean to say pants.

[Shadow Wolf]

I wish to heartily applaud the author off this thread for making it and then being able to leave it the fuck alone while everyone inevitably makes fun of it and derails it.

Not that mockery and derailment is a bad thing, I mean carry on.

[Patrick Burns]

hey guys i seem to have lost my trance.




oh wait, I was confused. I mean to say pants.

what the hell

[Moseph]

hey guys i seem to have lost my trance.




oh wait, I was confused. I mean to say pants.

Next step: backwards tranceless hug.

[The Vagrance]

As a trance DJ, I'm gonna put my two cents into this. The reason why I think trance isn't so well received here is because OCR trance is pretty abysmal if you compare it to actual good trance... only exception is one artist we all know and love... and as good as he is, he still has much progress to make.




Just saying.

QFT

OCR in general has a bias towards more "traditional" forms of electronic music that make up the majority of the electronic music that is out there. A lot of good electronic genres rely on subtlety and time to make their point whereas video game music makes its point immediately, then loops the damn thing. One of my current favorite electronic songs, "Hi Friend" by Deadmau5 and MC Flipside, absolutely destroys dancefloors, yet the judges here would easily reject it, just because it is incredibly simple and contains very little melodic content.

Its not necessarily a bad thing, OCRemixes just have a certain sound to them, and only certain genres will fit into that hole. If you don't like it, don't submit to OCR, etc. etc.. If you feel the need to submit to OCR, prepare to modify your original intention.

[Synchronicity]

A lot of good electronic genres rely on subtlety and time to make their point whereas video game music makes its point immediately, then loops the damn thing.

Excellent point, you level up.

C'mon now, I'm not a heavy trance listener but I know there's some good Trance out there. I just can't listen to it for a long time or else I'll go insane (trance out) from the monotonous pounding.

[Evilhead]

Personally I can't stand trance. It's just a matter of taste I guess, beause I like other simple/formulaic music like punk and blues. I guess it's the fact that trance DJs spin the same damn song for 3 hours straight and it's so lame to dance to. Especially "famous" DJs. They are so into their little sub-genre of trance that they pick records that barely sound different from the last, mainly because all the music follows the same simple patterns, uses the same instruments, etc. Some psy-trance stuff is a bit more musical, but generally it gets old after about 15 minutes. Trance is a sure fire way to make sure a party is going to suck. Give me house any day. At least there are some samples in there to make things interesting and it's dancable as hell. When was the last time you had some girl grinding her booty on you at a trance show?

[V___]

I was gonna make some comments agreeing with Vagrance n Global Trance, and disagreeing with some others, but its kinda useless; everyone has different ideas of what trance is (also some people are sensitive and would take what I'd say personally when its said monotone and with respect; I dnt feel like defending my words). Check out this snippet of an interveiw with Armin Van Burren:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da6Gl8LhN-8

What people think is trance might not be. And what they think is good trance may be pop shit. I mean lets face it, the majority of the OCR listening demographic probably isnt old enough to get into a club to hear it in its prime location.

All arguements are moot anyway. Ultimately, its not that the judges do not appreciate or accept trance as music, its that the OCR guidelines do not allow it in its format (ie structure) to be posted on the site. Its like trying to get your orchestral mix on a dnb site; not gonna happen and its pretty obvious why.

[Shadow Wolf]

backwards tranceless hug.

untz untz untz untz zip zip untz untz zip zip untz untz


EDIT: Oh wait no. It'd be like untz untz untz *mute*....... zzzzzzzip *jingling belt buckle*.... feel the looooooove.

[Effef]

Personally I can't stand trance. It's just a matter of taste I guess, beause I like other simple/formulaic music like punk and blues. I guess it's the fact that trance DJs spin the same damn song for 3 hours straight and it's so lame to dance to. Especially "famous" DJs. They are so into their little sub-genre of trance that they pick records that barely sound different from the last, mainly because all the music follows the same simple patterns, uses the same instruments, etc.

See: Paul Oakenfold, Tiesto

Good trance is awesome.

Bad trance is god awful. There is no middle ground.

[audio fidelity]

Well, anything that you think took a lot of talent and imagination to make. Which isn't really restricted by genre. But it's not really all that often Trance goes there in my opinion.

Of course, the band with the most imagination and talent (in my opinion) is in my sig ;)

just wanted to respond to this - i am big fan of infected mushroom - and even though its psy-trance (from Israel) - these guys have four on the four beats with lots of complexity and are fantastic musicians - i remember reading the keyboardist was a big fan of Dream Theater - anyway - for you naysayers, here's some tracks that did it for me and made me a believer of trance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBoZC9VbzYg

http://www.imeem.com/jackhaal/music/Y6-Q0sP8/infected_mushroom_deeply_disturbed/

[DarkeSword]

Hi guys and gals,

I just wanted to tell you i'm sorry for being such a prick about my rejected tracks in the past and saying stuff about OCR being biased about trance remixes in general.

Why am I saying this? Well, last night I had an interesting conversation with another artist who really likes trance alot (I guess i won't have to tell his name, since if you know him, you know who I mean) and used to think just like me. We both used to think there was some kind of prejudice against 4-on-the-floor beats in remixes, if you will.

He pointed out something I've never actually thought about before. I guess most of the people on OCR haven't really.
You guys deliver a great stage for people who love videogames and the music in them, letting them express their artistic impressions towards some particular song they like best. It takes alot of work to get a site like this up and running, supporting a community with so many people.
I've been lurking around OCR for a long time now, and I of all people should know you guys put alot of effort into evaluating remixes and supporting new artists as much as you can.

So that's why I post this "apologies" thread. I hope someday one of my remixes will be accepted on this site, since I've been trying for quite some time now. But I realised that when they don't, I only have myself to blame.

So, again, i'm really sorry for being such an asshat before.
/end of rant
Hey thanks man.

[Global-Trance]

As a trance DJ, I'm gonna put my two cents into this. The reason why I think trance isn't so well received here is because OCR trance is pretty abysmal if you compare it to actual good trance... only exception is one artist we all know and love... and as good as he is, he still has much progress to make.




Just saying.Thems fighting words, Wu! Back 'em up!

It's quite simple really. Trance is all about the sense of drifting into space whether it's through some emotional high or uplifting vibe with the repetitive hook and its minimalistic progressions. Most video game songs don't translate well to trance at all because how they are originally written and composed. I'm not saying that the OCReMixes that are submitted as trance are poorly made. I'm just saying as far as the trance genre goes, I just don't really feel like I'm in a trance or drifting about space when I listen to any "trance" OCReMixes. Video game songs just aren't really fit for that. A good example that actually translated well to trance is SFLaValle's Devil's Mask from Ninja Gaiden. (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00338/) Also see just about all of bLiNd's more recent stuff for the more euphoric vibe.

Personally I can't stand trance. It's just a matter of taste I guess, beause I like other simple/formulaic music like punk and blues. I guess it's the fact that trance DJs spin the same damn song for 3 hours straight and it's so lame to dance to. Especially "famous" DJs. They are so into their little sub-genre of trance that they pick records that barely sound different from the last, mainly because all the music follows the same simple patterns, uses the same instruments, etc. Some psy-trance stuff is a bit more musical, but generally it gets old after about 15 minutes. Trance is a sure fire way to make sure a party is going to suck. Give me house any day. At least there are some samples in there to make things interesting and it's dancable as hell. When was the last time you had some girl grinding her booty on you at a trance show?

This I have to agree with. I love great trance but it really is hard to dance to without looking like a fool. Especially when the dance floor is not crowded. Trance is all about the atmosphere and if you don't enjoy listening to it by yourself, you definitely aren't going to really like it if you're at a trance club and it's not packed. First trance show I went to had 30,000 people. THIRTY THOUSAND. Made it fun as hell. No room to dance really but how do you even dance to trance really? You just sorta rock out with the masses. House works so much better for fun times no matter what and this is why I have expanded my digital crate to more than just trance. House calls for great times and lots of dancing whether or not the floor is packed. Also who doesn't love funk?

[Bleck]

I'd rather nothing but four on the floor trance remixes than nothing but big epic orchestral whooooosh ambient crap

unless it's by DarkeSword god damn

[SirChadlyOC]

When was the last time you had some girl grinding her booty on you --

Just stop there. You lost 95% of the OCR audience already.

Including me

[NeoS]

I'm glad you guys are taking this thread as seriously as me. At least one judge read what I was saying instead of "OMGROFLOLILIEKTRANCE!1!"
that's all i'm going to say about it. Go for it guys. Flame on.

[Bleck]

Flame on.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/VintagePS/HumanTorch.gif

[anosou]

Hi guys and gals,

I just wanted to tell you i'm sorry for being such a prick about my rejected tracks in the past and saying stuff about OCR being biased about trance remixes in general.

Why am I saying this? Well, last night I had an interesting conversation with another artist who really likes trance alot (I guess i won't have to tell his name, since if you know him, you know who I mean) and used to think just like me. We both used to think there was some kind of prejudice against 4-on-the-floor beats in remixes, if you will.

He pointed out something I've never actually thought about before. I guess most of the people on OCR haven't really.
You guys deliver a great stage for people who love videogames and the music in them, letting them express their artistic impressions towards some particular song they like best. It takes alot of work to get a site like this up and running, supporting a community with so many people.
I've been lurking around OCR for a long time now, and I of all people should know you guys put alot of effort into evaluating remixes and supporting new artists as much as you can.

So that's why I post this "apologies" thread. I hope someday one of my remixes will be accepted on this site, since I've been trying for quite some time now. But I realised that when they don't, I only have myself to blame.

So, again, i'm really sorry for being such an asshat before.
/end of rant

I'm glad you've had a change of heart. Even though your thread was hijacked :)

[Siamey]

Pretty cool, someone decides to view the OCR system in a different light and people flame the christ out of it. At least Shariq and Matt saw. Those are some of the guys who I think the message was meant for. It takes guts to say something like this and also express your appreciation for a community that you maybe haven't thought to thank. I think Neos has a good heart.

I recently had a similar awakening, through an interesting turn of events, and not to pose off Neos but I've taken another look at OCR and everything its meant to me, and what all the people have done for me, and realized that I owe a lot, and that I've being a douche in several situations.
Anyways, sorry. No one here, who has helped this community grow into what it is, deserves that. My anger and doucheyness has been misdirected and unjustified.

I have reconciled with the fact that trance, in the form that I usually listen to, consists of long spaces of uninteresting music, followed by somewhat bluntly introduced melodies which try so fucking hard to pluck at your extasy bone. Stepping outside the box of being a seasoned trance listener, I find it easy to see how unappealing certain aspects of it are to most people, and how tactfully a song must by remixed in order to be considered a quality piece of work that OCR can serve up with good peace of mind, considering the wide audience.

I've bitched and moaned about it so much here, in fact I probly wrote the book on whining about trancehate and judgfgts on the forums (arguably). That was the old me though. I'm turning over a new leaf. Im not saying that trance can't get on ocr, because it can. I just finally realize why the judges do what they do, and say what they say. The judges are not perfect, human bias can never truly be removed from the equation, but when you put down your angry defensive shield, and realize that you will never get ahead by bitching, you realize that these guys are a collection of highly talented music dudes, and they have some smart shit to say. My new mission is to learn to take constructive criticism, and grow in my musical ability as much as I can, because honestly, despite what I may have said in the past, I have never once accepted someones helpful criticism and allowed myself to grow from it, and that is sad. Time to throw away the angry shield and make some fuckin music!

Peace!

[GeckoYamori]

When was the last time you had some girl grinding her booty on you at a trance show?

Trance is one of the only electronic genres pioneered by white people. I think that says a lot.

[anosou]

Pretty cool, someone decides to view the OCR system in a different light and people flame the christ out of it. At least Shariq and Matt saw. Those are some of the guys who I think the message was meant for. It takes guts to say something like this and also express your appreciation for a community that you maybe haven't thought to thank. I think Neos has a good heart.

I recently had a similar awakening, through an interesting turn of events, and not to pose off Neos but I've taken another look at OCR and everything its meant to me, and what all the people have done for me, and realized that I owe a lot, and that I've being a douche in several situations.
Anyways, sorry. No one here, who has helped this community grow into what it is, deserves that. My anger and doucheyness has been misdirected and unjustified.

I have reconciled with the fact that trance, in the form that I usually listen to, consists of long spaces of uninteresting music, followed by somewhat bluntly introduced melodies which try so fucking hard to pluck at your extasy bone. Stepping outside the box of being a seasoned trance listener, I find it easy to see how unappealing certain aspects of it are to most people, and how tactfully a song must by remixed in order to be considered a quality piece of work that OCR can serve up with good peace of mind, considering the wide audience.

I've bitched and moaned about it so much here, in fact I probly wrote the book on whining about trancehate and judgfgts on the forums (arguably). That was the old me though. I'm turning over a new leaf. Im not saying that trance can't get on ocr, because it can. I just finally realize why the judges do what they do, and say what they say. The judges are not perfect, human bias can never truly be removed from the equation, but when you put down your angry defensive shield, and realize that you will never get ahead by bitching, you realize that these guys are a collection of highly talented music dudes, and they have some smart shit to say. My new mission is to learn to take constructive criticism, and grow in my musical ability as much as I can, because honestly, despite what I may have said in the past, I have never once accepted someones helpful criticism and allowed myself to grow from it, and that is sad. Time to throw away the angry shield and make some fuckin music!

Peace!

Cool to see you taking this approach as well. I for one really enjoyed TimeShock btw, nice work expanding your musical palette right there. Now let's hope other remixers-to-be are as intelligent as you guys ;)

[Deathtank]

mmmhhh...Im just wondering...what happens if someone submits an 8bit remix of any game music? would it be judged or would it be inmediately rejected?
Sorry to ask this here but I dont think that creating a new thread to ask that would be very smart...:<
Im asking this cuz this guy sez OCR is biased against (or he used to think) trance music, and I say OCR is biased against chiptunes....:sad:

[DarkeSword]

Pretty cool, someone decides to view the OCR system in a different light and people flame the christ out of it. At least Shariq and Matt saw. Those are some of the guys who I think the message was meant for. It takes guts to say something like this and also express your appreciation for a community that you maybe haven't thought to thank. I think Neos has a good heart.

I recently had a similar awakening, through an interesting turn of events, and not to pose off Neos but I've taken another look at OCR and everything its meant to me, and what all the people have done for me, and realized that I owe a lot, and that I've being a douche in several situations.
Anyways, sorry. No one here, who has helped this community grow into what it is, deserves that. My anger and doucheyness has been misdirected and unjustified.

I have reconciled with the fact that trance, in the form that I usually listen to, consists of long spaces of uninteresting music, followed by somewhat bluntly introduced melodies which try so fucking hard to pluck at your extasy bone. Stepping outside the box of being a seasoned trance listener, I find it easy to see how unappealing certain aspects of it are to most people, and how tactfully a song must by remixed in order to be considered a quality piece of work that OCR can serve up with good peace of mind, considering the wide audience.

I've bitched and moaned about it so much here, in fact I probly wrote the book on whining about trancehate and judgfgts on the forums (arguably). That was the old me though. I'm turning over a new leaf. Im not saying that trance can't get on ocr, because it can. I just finally realize why the judges do what they do, and say what they say. The judges are not perfect, human bias can never truly be removed from the equation, but when you put down your angry defensive shield, and realize that you will never get ahead by bitching, you realize that these guys are a collection of highly talented music dudes, and they have some smart shit to say. My new mission is to learn to take constructive criticism, and grow in my musical ability as much as I can, because honestly, despite what I may have said in the past, I have never once accepted someones helpful criticism and allowed myself to grow from it, and that is sad. Time to throw away the angry shield and make some fuckin music!

Peace!
Thanks man.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

just wanted to respond to this - i am big fan of infected mushroom - and even though its psy-trance (from Israel) - these guys have four on the four beats with lots of complexity and are fantastic musicians - i remember reading the keyboardist was a big fan of Dream Theater - anyway - for you naysayers, here's some tracks that did it for me and made me a believer of trance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBoZC9VbzYg

http://www.imeem.com/jackhaal/music/Y6-Q0sP8/infected_mushroom_deeply_disturbed/
Dude, I loved the song you posted, it was sweet.
Hopefully they have it on iTunes.

[LuketheXjesse]

just wanted to respond to this - i am big fan of infected mushroom - and even though its psy-trance (from Israel) - these guys have four on the four beats with lots of complexity and are fantastic musicians - i remember reading the keyboardist was a big fan of Dream Theater - anyway - for you naysayers, here's some tracks that did it for me and made me a believer of trance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBoZC9VbzYg

http://www.imeem.com/jackhaal/music/Y6-Q0sP8/infected_mushroom_deeply_disturbed/

Awesome song. Makes me wanna play any Donkey Kong Country game again :)

[DragonAvenger]

mmmhhh...Im just wondering...what happens if someone submits an 8bit remix of any game music? would it be judged or would it be inmediately rejected?
Sorry to ask this here but I dont think that creating a new thread to ask that would be very smart...:<
Im asking this cuz this guy sez OCR is biased against (or he used to think) trance music, and I say OCR is biased against chiptunes....:sad:

There was a big debate on chiptunes. Read more here (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-4024.html), and that might help clarify what's up with that.

Also, to stay slightly on topic. It takes guts to admit you're wrong. Good for you to stand up and do it.

[Global-Trance]

It would be great if there wasn't a bias against anything except for "poorly made."

[DarkeSword]

mmmhhh...Im just wondering...what happens if someone submits an 8bit remix of any game music? would it be judged or would it be inmediately rejected?
Sorry to ask this here but I dont think that creating a new thread to ask that would be very smart...:<
Im asking this cuz this guy sez OCR is biased against (or he used to think) trance music, and I say OCR is biased against chiptunes....:sad:
It's not a bias. Stop throwing the word bias around. We don't accept chiptunes because part of the point of this site is to take music beyond the hardware limitations of those old consoles. That's not a bias.

[LuketheXjesse]

It's not a bias. Stop throwing the word bias around. We don't accept chiptunes because part of the point of this site is to take music beyond the hardware limitations of those old consoles. That's not a bias.

So chiptunes are just music in 8-bit form? Pff, songs like that wouldn't be all that interesting anyway considering you couldn't go much of anywhere. Of course I've been wrong before...

[DarkeSword]

Pff, songs like that wouldn't be all that interesting anyway considering you couldn't go much of anywhere. Of course I've been wrong before...

And you're wrong now. I'm not making a qualitative statement on the musicality of chiptunes. Dozens of NES games have amazing soundtracks that are very well written; catchy, emotive melodies that deserved to be praised for far more than just nostalgic reasons.

[LuketheXjesse]

I'm not questioning NES era music at all. Not music FROM that era, anyway. Kirby's Adventure and SMB3 had my favorite music from that era. But this is now, and I haven't heard a chiptune from an artist from today that's impressed me. I also think that the experience of listening to the songs while playing those classic games makes them even better. A regular chiptune from an artist from today by itself would probably be boring though. But hey, I'm not being closed-minded. It could happen.

[KyleJCrb]

I'm not questioning NES era music at all. Not music FROM that era, anyway. Kirby's Adventure and SMB3 had my favorite music from that era. But this is now, and I haven't heard a chiptune from an artist from today that's impressed me. I also think that the experience of listening to the songs while playing those classic games makes them even better. A regular chiptune from an artist from today by itself would probably be boring though. But hey, I'm not being closed-minded. It could happen.

Obviously you've never heard this (http://remix.thasauce.net/song/RTS0004/).

[Siamey]

Obviously you've never heard this (http://remix.thasauce.net/song/RTS0004/).

lol a song written for the spc gets a downgrade to ricoh, cool

[ambient]

I still think there is a certain bias against true dance/club music progression on the site. Maybe because it is inherently hard to combine OCR arrangement requirements with dance music norms (or cliches, if you are a hater), but that in itself creates a bias. I think more remixers should try not to compromise either of the ideals, or we end up with OCtRance, which not a synergy but rather a chimera.

Now, some of the remixers, such as Blind, although VERY few in numbers, were able to achieve that synergy in their work. Unfortunately, this is less of a trend and more of an exception. But then again, majority of the mixers and the audience on this site are more video game music fans than dance music fans, so maybe the audience is getting exactly what they are looking for.

[Global-Trance]

I still think there is a certain bias against true dance/club music progression on the site. Maybe because it is inherently hard to combine OCR arrangement requirements with dance music norms (or cliches, if you are a hater), but that in itself creates a bias. I think more remixers should try not to compromise either of the ideals, or we end up with OCtRance, which not a synergy but rather a chimera.

Now, some of the remixers, such as Blind, although VERY few in numbers, were able to achieve that synergy in their work. Unfortunately, this is less of a trend and more of an exception. But then again, majority of the mixers and the audience on this site are more video game music fans than dance music fans, so maybe the audience is getting exactly what they are looking for.

Oh hey that's a good post

[SLyGeN]

majority of the mixers and the audience on this site are more video game music fans than dance music fans

Video game music isn't a genre on its own. I'm sure there's an example of every genre in video games. Therefore one can't really compare video game music as a whole to another genre.

F-Zero GX has plenty of four on the floor tracks.
Super Smash Brothers Brawl is orchestrated.
Metroid Prime had techno and orchestra elements.
Sonic has rock, metal, and some hip-hop.
Zelda has soothing, cultural pieces.

There's others, I'm sure. But that's a wide range of music style already.

So when you comparatively discuss video game music, you aren't saying much.

[Cerrax]

I'm not questioning NES era music at all. Not music FROM that era, anyway. Kirby's Adventure and SMB3 had my favorite music from that era. But this is now, and I haven't heard a chiptune from an artist from today that's impressed me. I also think that the experience of listening to the songs while playing those classic games makes them even better. A regular chiptune from an artist from today by itself would probably be boring though. But hey, I'm not being closed-minded. It could happen.

Yeah KyleJCrb has a great example. Also check out the Makeup and Vanity Set remix of The Protomen album. Really great stuff. Sabrepulse also does some neat things (granted most of his songs are more than just chiptunes, but a few of them are quite impressive to see what he accomplishes with only two Gameboys)

[The Vagrance]

Video game music isn't a genre on its own. I'm sure there's an example of every genre in video games. Therefore one can't really compare video game music as a whole to another genre.

F-Zero GX has plenty of four on the floor tracks.
Super Smash Brothers Brawl is orchestrated.
Metroid Prime had techno and orchestra elements.
Sonic has rock, metal, and some hip-hop.
Zelda has soothing, cultural pieces.

There's others, I'm sure. But that's a wide range of music style already.

So when you comparatively discuss video game music, you aren't saying much.

While that is true, video game music typically has a style and arrangement to it that most others don't, because game music is usually made for two purposes: looping and themes. There are exceptions, definitely, but compare the structure of a 4-on-the-floor F-Zero track with something like Strings of Life and you'll begin to notice some major differences.

[anosou]

Video game music isn't a genre on its own. I'm sure there's an example of every genre in video games. Therefore one can't really compare video game music as a whole to another genre.

F-Zero GX has plenty of four on the floor tracks.
Super Smash Brothers Brawl is orchestrated.
Metroid Prime had techno and orchestra elements.
Sonic has rock, metal, and some hip-hop.
Zelda has soothing, cultural pieces.

There's others, I'm sure. But that's a wide range of music style already.

So when you comparatively discuss video game music, you aren't saying much.

the issue is that most of the "frowned upon" genres doesn't arrange video game music either substantially enough for it to be considered a video game arrangement or (in the case of 8-bit) that it conflicts with our standards.
you should check 'em out sometime, a good read :)

[Deathtank]

There was a big debate on chiptunes. Read more here (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-4024.html), and that might help clarify what's up with that.

Also, to stay slightly on topic. It takes guts to admit you're wrong. Good for you to stand up and do it.

Wow I didnt know such a discussion happened, but I can understand the final resolution of that controversy, no problem with me.

Btw, I´d like to show these 2 excemples of good (at least to me) chiptunes songs, to show chiptunes can be good and entertaining.
Y.M.C.K. Tetrominon I guess you can guess what this song is based on, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFovsLA3Wc8
this one is mixed with "actual" sounds
Ram Rider. Hello 8bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SloUk-x7bVM

[Magewout]

I mean lets face it, the majority of the OCR listening demographic probably isnt old enough to get into a club to hear it in its prime location.

You win this thread. If you haven't experienced a huge rave you're not in the position to dismiss Trance as a boring/uninspired genre.

[Platonist]

omg all the people badmouthing trance can just grab themselves
everyone is different and therefore everyone's own perception of things is different ..
as a musician i've learned how to enjoy most genres .. there's still some stuff i can't handle but instead of judging through that i try to listen to that which is of musical importance, instead of judging the beat-type, the software in use, the style and genre or whatever that divides people

my opinion stands where it has always been (as long as i can remember) MUSIC IS MUSIC :.: no genre is better than the other, only TASTE differs and there's nothing we can do about it EVER...
so stop being childish and look yourselves in the mirror for once :sleepzzz:


EDIT:
"If you haven't experienced a huge rave you're not in the position to dismiss Trance as a boring/uninspired genre."
word

[FiremanJoe]

Question.

What genre then are you allowed to take 'uber-seriously'?

Cuddlecore. Nerdcore. Nu metal. :P


Also, everyone listen to G-T's mixes. He does some fine work. It's thanks to him and someone posting Above & Beyond's album Tri-State in Unmod a few years ago that I understand and appreciate the genre now. :)

He's right when he says OCR trance isn't very good trance. That's not to say that trance-styled remixes on the site aren't worth listening to, but they certainly aren't by any means in the league of producers such as Above & Beyond or Armin van Buuren.