It Finally Happened: Keanu to Play Spike in Cowboy Bebop

[The Damned]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/16/keanu-reeves-to-play-spike-spiegel-in-live-action-cowboy-bebop-movie/

I have to go sit down for a while.

[OA]

What's the issue? No need to train him before he can get into the role. He already knows kung fu. :-)

[SirChadlyOC]

http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/34006384/1241432

This is pretty horrible. Spike needs to be way cooler than Keanu. It has to seem like he's always thinking, not completely brainless.

AAUUGGHH!

[Bleck]

oh hey I'm gonna base my opinion of Keanu Reeves on the one movie I've seen with him and the farcical protrayals I've seen on such hit TV shows as Family Guy

[Lovely Peach]

I don't think Keanu's right for the part, but you never know - he may surprise us. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I see evidence that he'll be terrible in the part.

I'm hoping it's better than most video game movie adaptations. I love the animated Cowboy Bebop, hope they don't ruin it.

[AmazinJason]

Ya know,
I think if they get Steve Blum to make shitty voice-overs for Mr. Reeves, it might actually be a better picture.
The last thing I wanna see is Spike beating on Vicious while all the while having that stupid I'm-gonna-kick-your-ass-robot-clones face.
His hair better be damn accurate.

[Ferret]

You're one of those fags who only watches shitty subtitled anime, aren't you?

[Native Jovian]

I love the animated Cowboy Bebop, hope they don't ruin it.
Because a bad movie retroactively makes the anime series suck. Cowboy Bebop as we know it is in grave danger! :<

[Tricklozen]

Burn, Hollywood, Burn! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKIqW3cikgU)

Not surprising at all.
Hollywood = path of least resistance.
Keanu = Science fiction everything

This frequency is no longer operational.

[Lovely Peach]

Because a bad movie retroactively makes the anime series suck. Cowboy Bebop as we know it is in grave danger! :<
I suppose I should have clarified (although I thought what I meant was obvious).
I love the animated Cowboy Bebop. I hope the live-action movie adaptation doesn't suck.

[Tensei]

That's just so bogus, dude. Totally not righteous.

[Native Jovian]

I suppose I should have clarified (although I thought what I meant was obvious).
Yes, I realize that was what you meant. I was just taking the opportunity to mock people who get all butthurt about this sort of thing. If it sucks, oh well. It's not the end of the world. People get all upset about this sort of thing, as if a crappy live-action version will somehow diminish the awesome of the original.

[Gollgagh]

I still need to watch the anime.


I'll do it eventually.

[Schwaltzvald]

In the long scheme of things, do we reeaaally want something such as anime to become fully mainstream...? Somewhat off-topic, but I actually do hope it bombs. Lest hollywood actually succeeds in live action adaptations. then cause a good portion of the area/industry to eventually become lazy and emulate the shit that is hollywood now...

Especially there has not been one movie that made me really want to the theatre; except for maybe mall cop on account it looks like a parody to the first "Die Hard" movie to me. :lol:

[Mr Azar]

Just wait to see who they cast for Jet, Faye and/or Ed http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/AzarKing/Animated%20Icons/clap.gif.

[BlackPanther]

I really don't see the issue here all I hear is a bunch of babies who really have no idea how the movie is gonna turn out. With that bein said I kinda changed my mind on the dragon ball movie but they still coulda picked a way better goku than they did, so the decision to pick Keanu to play Spike isn't nearly as bad and I don't think Keanu will be that bad. One problem I DO see with it though is his monochromatic characteristics he seems to play this down in the dumps character with the same voice in every movie he plays let's hope he can fix that, but he certainly has the looks for a Spike though in my opinion.

[EdgeCrusher]

This is nowhere near as bad as the casting for the new Street Fighter movie.

[Tricklozen]

Still--most heinous.

[LuketheXjesse]

I still need to watch the anime.


I'll do it eventually.

You're missing out.

In the long scheme of things, do we reeaaally want something such as anime to become fully mainstream...?

Pff, no chance in hell, no matter HOW good the movie does.

Maybe the CB anime itself, but that's it.

[Skrypnyk]

oh hey I'm gonna base my opinion of Keanu Reeves on the one movie I've seen with him and the farcical protrayals I've seen on such hit TV shows as Family Guy

Sarcasm Overload!!!

u make me so proud.

[prophetik]

oh hey I'm gonna base my opinion of Keanu Reeves on the one movie I've seen with him and the farcical protrayals I've seen on such hit TV shows as Family Guy

i agree with this. reeves was awesome in 'replacements'!

yeah, i know it's a joke. but i do think he's a decent actor.

[Sindra]

Anime-based movies have no place in America's film industry. Period. We break everything.

[JH Sounds]

i agree with this. reeves was awesome in 'replacements'!

yeah, i know it's a joke. but i do think he's a decent actor.

Plus he already has experience performing in live-action anime.

[BooDidley7]

Keanu is OK for some roles, but Spike is a charismatic, subtly deep character, something Keanu has never really pulled off. Also, Spike is like 27, Keanu's almost 45. Spike practices Jeet Kune Do, and let's face it Keanu will never be that fluid or dynamic.

I'm hoping for a miracle, because that's really all we can do right now. Still if I'm casting for in the worst in the tradition of Hollywood I'd think it'd look like this:

Jett: Sylvestor Stallone
Fey: Paris Hilton
Ed: Shia LeBeouf
Ein: Gilbert Gottfried
Vicious: Ice Cube
Julia: Renee Zellweger

[Brushfire]

"Whoa, My name is Spike, and I will defeat you Vicious.

HUH HUH HUH."

So long as there is no Spike/Keanu sex scene, it can't be all bad.

[The Damned]

Kenau Reeves is just so flat and boring. Every role is like watching him read from a whiteboard someone is holding off-camera. That's why people don't like him, and that's why him being chosen for this role is considered a bad thing.

The odd thing is, he had way more range and personality in the Bill and Ted movies. It wasn't until he did the Matrix movies that he came across as lifeless.

[prophetik]

Kenau Reeves is just so flat and boring. Every role is like watching him read from a whiteboard someone is holding off-camera. That's why people don't like him, and that's why him being chosen for this role is considered a bad thing.

The odd thing is, he had way more range and personality in the Bill and Ted movies. It wasn't until he did the Matrix movies that he came across as lifeless.

because that's what neo was, man. that's what the movie required. you don't do a movie series with the scope of Matrix and not have it color your career.

wait, diddly, did you just ask for Paris Hilton to be cast as a character in anything? hint hint - she has NO marketable skills, she's not even pretty anymore with how skinny she is. note that i said no marketable skills. included in that is acting.

[BooDidley7]

The odd thing is, he had way more range and personality in the Bill and Ted movies. It wasn't until he did the Matrix movies that he came across as lifeless.

Yeah, I'd really like to see Ted "Theodore" Logan back in action again along with Bill S. Preston, Esquire.

He says "Woah..." better too.

[BooDidley7]

wait, diddly, did you just ask for Paris Hilton to be cast as a character in anything? hint hint - she has NO marketable skills, she's not even pretty anymore with how skinny she is. note that i said no marketable skills. included in that is acting.

That cast was for the worst imaginable of likely casting, since Keanu is such a poor start.

I left off Nicolas Cage. He should probably play Jett instead of Stallone, to assure the film is 100% awful.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

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I'm confused... I don't know what to say.. I think Keanu Reeves is awesome... but I dunno... sorry you all feel that way.. I know Hollywood messes up movies... but you may just never know.. Have faith! I hope it turns out at least decent. I've watched the entire series plus the movie... all brilliant.. I've been a fan for a while... I'm actually pretty excited.

[Strike911]

That's just so bogus, dude. Totally not righteous.

WYLD STALLYNS!

I'm excited about a Cowboy Bebop movie... although I'm very concerned it won't be done right.

Uhm... I don't know how I feel about Keanu though. Keanu is notorious for his blank stares and monotone performances. Spike is cool, but his level of emotional action doesn't really jump around all that much in the anime (with only a few exceptions)... he's just too cool to really overreact a lot of times. While it is a shot in the dark, it might end up okay with Keanu in that role.

That said, he wouldn't be my first pick for Spike at all.

AND, it doesn't account for Hollywood writers having the tendency to completely ruin original story lines.

I know I said it before in a different Cowboy Bebop movie thread, but as long as they keep that jazz feel and style in tact, I'll be happy. I'm not expecting much though.

[ifirit]

It wasn't until he did the Matrix movies that he came across as lifeless.
I think Johnny Mnuemonic did it for most people. (Those who actually saw it.)

[Bleck]

anyone who doesn't understand why Keanu Reeves played the role of Neo perfectly in The Matrix doesn't deserve to be making comments about film

[Petara]

Anime-based movies have no place in America's film industry. Period. We break everything then shit all over it.

fixed mustard

[FuriousFure]

I think it could be good, i do like the idea of him being dubbed over.

as for the hair, they have done it before. infact this actor is fabled to be who spike was modeled after.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2049/2348889888_09942f7849.jpg?v=0

Yusaku Matsuda. in the movie, he even had the circular sunglasses that spike has in the cowboy bebop.

Kneanu can play the part well, I'm sure.

in fact, spike is the least of my worries. Faye, Ed, and Jet will be even harder to capture their essence.

[Brycepops]

You guys saw the "...Kenji Uchida, Shinichiro Watanabe, Keiko Nobumoto, and Masahiko Minami are coming onboard as producers and production consultants..." part, hmm? I mean with these people there, it shouldn't be too bad, right? ....right? D:

[The Damned]

You guys saw the "...Kenji Uchida, Shinichiro Watanabe, Keiko Nobumoto, and Masahiko Minami are coming onboard as producers and production consultants..." part, hmm? I mean with these people there, it shouldn't be too bad, right? ....right? D:

I did, and it depends upon how much control they have over it. If they're just there for the sake of it, so the producers can say "Hey, look, we have the people that did the original in it, so it's going to be good! Trust us!", then it's meaningless.

I also fear for the music. I wonder if they will even bother trying to keep it anywhere near the original. Or maybe they will just ditch the styles for an all Top 40 Pop roster...

I think Johnny Mnuemonic did it for most people. (Those who actually saw it.)

I actually forgot that movie even existed. How ironic. (No, it isn'tironic, I'm makig fun of people that use irony incorrectly).

/hopes to avoid irony threadjack

[Dyne]

You're one of those fags who only watches shitty subtitled anime, aren't you?
Hm, last I checked, you weren't exactly someone in a position to judge anyone else. Mr. I-write-risqué-stories.

I don't think Keanu is right for the part either, but hey, maybe he really will surprise us...and maybe not... Whoa...

[Less Ashamed Of Self]

I am tired of live action remakes in general... but cowboy bebop the cowboy bebop universe sort of reminds me of the firefly universe... so it might not be all bad.

[Ferret]

Hm, last I checked, you weren't exactly someone in a position to judge anyone else. Mr. I-write-risqué-stories.

I don't think Keanu is right for the part either, but hey, maybe he really will surprise us...and maybe not... Whoa...

I never went into it thinking everyone would like what I wrote (though they certainly did at the time!), but the point I'm making--that I've made before--is that people in this country can be unfairly biased towards subtitles for inexplicable reasons.

By the way...









You're not in any position to judge, either, so long as you fit squarely into someone else's pocket.

[The Damned]

Dyne's an iPod Mini?

[Brycepops]

Dyne's an iPod Mini?

No, he's a MONSTER IN MY POCKET! D:

[Skrypnyk]

yay lets de-rail the thread even more.

WOOoooo

[The Damned]

I actually liked the dub the did for Cowboy Bebeop, even though it was a little flat. Something about hiring the cheapest voice actors... Mind you, most of the big names are flat and deliver their lines like they're telling someone directions. Remember Monoke Hime? I think Gillian Anderson was on Nyquil the entire time.

I'm not saying everyone needs to be Robin Williams as the Genie, but come on, put some goddamn effort into it.

[SynthesizedStampede]

Because Cowboy Bebop is one of my favorite animes (yes, I haven't watched much), I'm just gonna wait til more press is released such as screens. I mean, if the screenshots we get are say, the same absurdity of "Dragonball Evolution", then I'm totally going to pass it up. However, if it does show some promise via screenshots, I'll still be willing to give it a shot.

I'm just worried about the jazzy music of the anime the most. It gave it a sort of style and flair that made me fall in love with it, and the characters were very believable. Keanu Reeves as Spike may have hit a nerve for me, but Jet, Faye, Ed, and Vicious need to have great actors too for the movie to work.

*crosses fingers*

[Tensei]

biased towards subtitles for inexplicable reasons.


Call me biased, but having grown up watching nothing but subtitled (anglophonic) movies and series, I will ALWAYS pick subtitles over dubbed versions UNLESS I know that the dub is just plain better, which, nine out of ten times, it just isn't.

To be honest, I don't understand how for example Germans/Frenchies can stand to watch dubbed american movies.

[prophetik]

dubbed just sounds stupid. and their mouths look dumb.

[The Damned]

The majority of dubbed anime is not well done. This is usually because of one or more of three issues:

1. They try to follow the pacing of the mouth animation too closely. Often, you will have a character that seems to be trying to imitate an auctioneer. Just because there are eight frame of movement does not mean you have to put eight words in the script.

2. Tying to stick too closely to/avoiding the original script. Sometimes, things don't translate well from on language into another. You then have two choices: try to use it in an accurate way as possible, and risk losing your audience with something that makes no sense, or put something that kind of carries the meaning across using terms appropriate for the dubbed language. There are also script changes because of content that the company bringing said show over may be concerned about (remember two of the Sailor Scouts from Sailor Moon? In the original version, they are lesbian lovers, with very little to deny that. In the US version, they are cousins, and the taller "butch" one is a guy).

3. Using the wrong voice for the character. There have been lot of examples where a character gets dubbed with too high or low a voice, is expressed with mannerisms that aren't appropriate (Okinawan accents becoming Texan accents, feminizing/masculinzing a voice because of perceived sexuality/gender), or they hire people with no experience. The ones that are experienced are mostly decent at putting some sort of live into the characters. Sadly, there are only a handful of decent voice actors out there.

But luckily, we have had some really good dubs over the years. Golden Boy, for the fan service and shlock that it was, had above average dubbing. The Ah My Goddess! series was rather good, as were some of the Tenchi Muyo stuff.

Any way, I think I'm getting off-topic.

[Sindra]

http://fc65.deviantart.com/fs40/f/2009/016/3/8/Keanu_Bebop_by_sindra.jpg

[wiredzombie]

well...i think i'm now going to go into withdrawals
....fuckin shit...

[Toadofsky]

Oh well. Hollywood is out of ideas these days.

Because now they've shifted from comics, to Saturday kid's shows from the 80's/90's, Video Games (until they get it right), and now anime.

Honestly, I hated the ending to Cowboy Bebop's final episode. The series as a whole was good (I loved the music, every bit of it), but I felt like I was punched in the gut with the conclusion being what it was.

I honestly don't care that they're doing a Bebop movie. All I can say is good luck to the company trying to pass that title off to movie goers unfamiliar with the Anime.

I'm just curious who could play Lupin the 3rd, or Vash the Stampede for that matter.

[Dyne]

I never went into it thinking everyone would like what I wrote (though they certainly did at the time!), but the point I'm making--that I've made before--is that people in this country can be unfairly biased towards subtitles for inexplicable reasons.

By the way...









You're not in any position to judge, either, so long as you fit squarely into someone else's pocket.
First of all, I'm an anime fan, but I don't watch subtitled Anime for a simple reason: I can't watch the action and read at the same time. So I just watch the dubbed anime instead. Am I missing out on other anime that's only been subbed? Probably. Unless it's a series I'm absolutely excited about, then I don't worry about it.

Also, don't sit there and presume that I'm in anyone's "pocket". And I don't know what crawled up whatever and died, but you might consider dislodging it, and not attack me here on the forums. You want to talk about it, hit me up on IRC, or PM me. My comment was appropriate because you basically called someone a fag for watching something they enjoy. So apparently, it upset you. Well, you will get no apology from me. You deserve what you bring on yourself, and the same is true of me. But in this case, back off, sit down, shut up.

Oh, and in case you have forgotten, it's your attitude that got you banned from #ocremix. Put it in check before you respond to people, or you're going to get the same every time you hop on the forum.

On topic: I'm somewhat looking forward to a Cowboy Bebop movie, but not if it's a remake, and not if it's starring Keanu. Sorry, but the idea of Keanu with a 'fro just doesn't excite me at all. I also doubt that they could even get actors that could remotely fill each of the characters properly. It would honestly be like watching the Matrix mixed with a western set in space. And honestly, the ought to let The Matrix series stay firmly where it's at.

[LuketheXjesse]

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I'm confused... I don't know what to say.. I think Keanu Reeves is awesome... but I dunno... sorry you all feel that way.. I know Hollywood messes up movies... but you may just never know.. Have faith! I hope it turns out at least decent. I've watched the entire series plus the movie... all brilliant.. I've been a fan for a while... I'm actually pretty excited.

Did I find someone on OCR who's POSITIVE? Some one pinch me...

[The Damned]

Did I find someone on OCR who's POSITIVE? Some one pinch me...

Don't. That's bLiNd's woman, and I hear he's the jealous type. :<

[Dyne]

Don't. That's bLiNd's woman, and I hear he's the jealous type. :<
Bite yer head off man.

[JAXX]

I remember reading about the live action bebop movie on Japanator not long ago ( http://www.japanator.com/elephant/post.phtml?pk=8386 ), they had Johnny Depp as an ideal actor to fill spike's roll. I thought he'd be a good fit for spikes attitude, but not for body or hair (the hair is hella important). So I thought about it for a while after that and came to the conclusion that there really isn't an actor that could caputure spike, he's a character you can only dream up with a pencil and paper, which is the beauty of anime. Easily one of my favoirte fictional characters. Sounds like Keanu thought of this as a "dream project" and now everyone is pissed that it's going to happen.

I'm excited for the movie myself, I think I'm I'm going to take a stance where I'll seperate the movie as it's own interperatation apart from the anime. The anime IS my favorite anime, still haven't found anything that has fascinated me more in the anime world.

You could relate this situation to videogame remixing. First there is the original, then there is a dude (myself) that wants to interperate the original in the style of ska. Well, there might be a few folks that laugh and pass it by, but no one is going to freak out at me and say I am ruining the original and never should have tried to do it!! Well maybe there would be but I'll just say "screw you", I'm doing it anyways, and you can suck a binky and stop whining, cause I'm having fun, no one told you that you had to listen to my remix. But most likely thats not going to happen in the vgremix world. In the movie world it's different, like all of a sudden we live in a world full of whiny fanboys that demand this and that, and they'll do the "sign the petition!!" crap to stop a certain group of people (that happen to have the money and resources to actually make something worth watching) choose how they want to interperate the source. It's hiddious... If Keanu wants to do this "dream job", let him, don't take it from the dude, let him have fun and be creative, I've enjoyed his movies, maybe he's not the first person I'd think of as a spike. If you (all you freaky fanboys) want to see it done better then do it yourself and quit whinning, suck on your binky and enjoy some bebop.

I do however hope they keep the same flavor with the music, hell they should hire on Yoko Kanno to do the music, hopefully they don't turn it into matrix electronica crap (good for matrix, not for this). If the music was different, they might as well take the "bebop" out of the name. And personally, if they did a remake of any of the episodes, they should do either the mushroom one or the refridgerator one. Haha.
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[Brushfire]

Enh Whatever. Anime is terrible anyway.

So to offset fanboys, I will offer facts in Keanu's defense.

Fact: Keanu Reeves is one half of the greatest movie ever made: Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Fact: Keanu Reeves once stopped a bus from exploding, WITH HIS MIND!!

Fact: Keanu Reeves was the first choice for Luke Skywalker, but was already working on Bill and Ted so he couldn't do it.

Fact: Bill and Ted is actually a documentary on Keanu Reeve's teenage years spent with George Carlin and Beethoven.

Fact: Phil Collins once wrote a song about Keanu's nickname "Sudio."

Fact: Keanu caught all 150 Pokemon using only Pokeballs and Splash Attacks.

Fact: Keanu is the only person to get every single achievement for the Xbox 360's game library. Gamerscore currently sits at 2,234,869,395.

Fact: Keanu is the inspiration behind 97% of all Overclocked Remixes to date.

Fact: Keanu Reeves is an unlockable Super Street Fighter 2 character. You have to beat the game with all availible chaacters, including Sheng Long, without taking any damage.

Fact: Keanu once ate Texas.

Fact: Keanu has his own planet, in which the year lasts about 10 hours.

Fact: Keanu is friend to children and puppies.

Fact: Keanu Reeves created anime. You all like anime right?

Fact: Keanu is clearly a good choice when it comes to playing Spike from Cowboy Bebop.

Now lets stop all the fussing and the feuding, because he is gonna make the goddamn movie anyway and every single one of you fanboys are gonna pay $17 to see it.

/thread over

[OverCoat]

$17

Jesus christ what

[Tricklozen]

It's easy to dislike the casting of Mr. Woah, because he has become the default science fiction choice, and Hollywood (generalisation) is an insecure entity having trouble creating something original, thus following the path of least resistance (licensing existing ideas, remakes, or picking Keanu in a science fiction production).

At the end of the day, I really don't care what happens to narrow things like these popular productions (movies, remakes, television series, and the like), because I don't make it a religion. I assume this applies to most people, but the fact that so many people appear to express their interest in such matters in general (not just here) reflects how shallow existence is. :D

[OverCoat]

You could relate this situation to videogame remixing. First there is the original, then there is a dude (myself) that wants to interperate the original in the style of ska.

This is where I tell you to make a ska Cowboy Bebop cover for my animeremix site :3

I could totally see a Real Folk Ska happening, actually. FUND IT

[Bleck]

ahahahahahaha 17$

[friendlyHunter]

Jesus christ what
I think he meant $17 to see it multiple times, and then rent the DVD and then buy it, and then buy it on bluray, and then find $50 on the street so it evens out to about $17.

Fact: Keanu once ate Texas.
Ummm, some of your facts are a little wrong, especially this one. He ate Texas three times, at least.

[Brushfire]

I think he meant $17 to see it multiple times, and then rent the DVD and then buy it, and then buy it on bluray, and then find $50 on the street so it evens out to about $17.


Ummm, some of your facts are a little wrong, especially this one. He ate Texas three times, at least.

I was talking about inflated Japan movie ticket prices.

On the subject of Texas Consumptions however, only one time has been scientifically proven. As none of the residents of the Lone Star State noticed the passing through the digestive track of Mr. Reeves, only once has it been proven through medical and scientific means. The other two are currently under review.

Anymore times after that, are believed to have been caused by Lawrence Fishbourne on one of his "binges."

[Ferret]

tl;dr

You have this weird habit of inferring more than what's actually being said.

My comment stands. It's funny how you always seem to be the first to try and call me out on something--like you're not even reading what I say and are just blowing your rage-load the first chance you get.

In case you WEREN'T listening (and I know you weren't) I'll say it again.

People who treat subtitled works like they're godsent and infallible are fags for the pure reason that they prefer listening to someone jabber in a language they don't understand than in one they do.

And you're a fag for getting upset over something that wasn't even directed at you, therefore, derision.

[Wintermute]

Ahh, but Ferret, you are being extremely simplistic there.

For one, language is considerably more than the words you say. The intonation of the speech, timing, and emotional content is just as important as the actual words. What people who watch subtitled foreign films seek is the meaning of the words (which they get from the text below) as well as the director's original intention for the intonation, timing, and emotional content. Often dubbed works fail to include proper intonation, timing, and emotional content, meaning that they are exactly as effective as someone simply reading the words that the subtitle would have given the viewer.

That isn't to say that all dubbing is bad, note, just trying to teach you what people are actually looking for in a subtitle. People don't watch subtitled films/shows because they "like to hear someone jabber in a language they don't understand."

Make sense?

[JAXX]

I love subbed, but actually enjoyed the bebop dub

[Raziellink]

There already is a Cowboy Bebop movie, and for what it was, it was goddamn awesome.

[Sindra]

There already is a Cowboy Bebop movie, and for what it was, it was goddamn awesome.

Yes. This.



Yeah, I will say I really did enjoy the dubbed Bebop. Every once in a while, an anime will get a cast of voice actors that nails the characterization, and this was one instance of that. I really can't bare to hear anyone but Steven Blum talking as Spike.

[Brushfire]

Naruto is still terrible.

So is everything else.

Except Speed Grapher.

That rules.

And Keanu will play the main character whether you like it or not.

[EdgeCrusher]

keanu thread, now with asperger rage!!!!!!!!!

[Brycepops]

keanu thread, now with asperger rage!!!!!!!!!

Inorite? Brush, if you're hating so much why are you even posting in here :/

[Ferret]

more tl;dr

I'm talking about the people who specifically go out of their way to avoid watching dubs because they are dubs. As if the original voice actors are any better at what they do than the guys working for the five or six studios that are even bothering to license, translate, and distribute titles.

Not to mention that subbed shows are hit-or-miss, especially considering how not everyone who tries to translate stuff is any good at it. And it's not that hard to find examples of what I'm talking about, either.

As far as idioms and cultural nuances go, perhaps you do lose something in the translation, but then, we have our own sayings and aphorisms and things of that nature that probably don't translate accurately, either.

It's a two-way street.

And by the way, no, they will not do a better job than Knocking on Heaven's Door, though this is the Live-Action vs. Animated bias talking.

[RealFolkBlues]

Aw man. Hey, it could be good.




:cry:

[Wintermute]

So...weren't you just complaining about somebody not reading what you said? It appears you do the same. Furthermore, idioms and cultural nuances are not what I was referring to.

I don't avoid dubs as a principle, though, and consider the CB dub to be quite excellent.

[Dyne]

You have this weird habit of inferring more than what's actually being said.

My comment stands. It's funny how you always seem to be the first to try and call me out on something--like you're not even reading what I say and are just blowing your rage-load the first chance you get.

In case you WEREN'T listening (and I know you weren't) I'll say it again.

People who treat subtitled works like they're godsent and infallible are fags for the pure reason that they prefer listening to someone jabber in a language they don't understand than in one they do.

And you're a fag for getting upset over something that wasn't even directed at you, therefore, derision.
First of all, I don't recall anyone actually talking about how subtitled versus dubbed was good, bad or otherwise. If I'm wrong, then quote who said it, and that'll be fine. Secondly, you need to stop the name calling, and I'm saying this from a stand point that you have an attitude problem. Now it's funny, you can act like a decent human being in public at MAGFest, but when you're on the forums or in IRC, you act like a complete jackass. Pick one behavioral pattern and stick with it please. Preferably the nice Ferret we used to know and like. Because we all know you're a decent guy when you're not raging about something.

So, below is my quote which you responded to above.
First of all, I'm an anime fan, but I don't watch subtitled Anime for a simple reason: I can't watch the action and read at the same time. So I just watch the dubbed anime instead. Am I missing out on other anime that's only been subbed? Probably. Unless it's a series I'm absolutely excited about, then I don't worry about it.

Also, don't sit there and presume that I'm in anyone's "pocket". And I don't know what crawled up whatever and died, but you might consider dislodging it, and not attack me here on the forums. You want to talk about it, hit me up on IRC, or PM me. My comment was appropriate because you basically called someone a fag for watching something they enjoy. So apparently, it upset you. Well, you will get no apology from me. You deserve what you bring on yourself, and the same is true of me. But in this case, back off, sit down, shut up.

Oh, and in case you have forgotten, it's your attitude that got you banned from #ocremix. Put it in check before you respond to people, or you're going to get the same every time you hop on the forum.

On topic: I'm somewhat looking forward to a Cowboy Bebop movie, but not if it's a remake, and not if it's starring Keanu. Sorry, but the idea of Keanu with a 'fro just doesn't excite me at all. I also doubt that they could even get actors that could remotely fill each of the characters properly. It would honestly be like watching the Matrix mixed with a western set in space. And honestly, the ought to let The Matrix series stay firmly where it's at.

And this particular quote right here, should speak volumes to you, because honestly, you're not in a position to respond like you do to others, what the hell did they ever do to you?
Hm, last I checked, you weren't exactly someone in a position to judge anyone else. Mr. I-write-risqué-stories.

I don't think Keanu is right for the part either, but hey, maybe he really will surprise us...and maybe not... Whoa...

You're one of those fags who only watches shitty subtitled anime, aren't you?
This was your original post. Had you said PEOPLE instead of FAGS, I would never have responded how I initially responded. Therefore, learn the f***ing lesson already, and move on. It's not rocket science damn it. I'm not trying to s**t on you. I just don't want to see you get yourself into trouble. Geez.

I still don't believe that Keanu is right for the part. Honestly, they shouldn't even make this movie, it'll be a total flop. And yes, I agree, the Cowboy Bebop movie was excellent. I very much loved that film. And no, I watched it DUBBED, because again, I don't like to read while I'm watching a movie.

[Atomicfog]

Heh, Keanu Reeves is probably the most emotionless actor in existance, which actually made him perfect for some movies, though I suppose we'll have to see with this one. Regardless of what it is, it won't change the fact that the anime kicks ass, so I'm glad for its existence. And really, at the end of the day, it's pretty easy to bash Keanu, but we all know he's awesome. For this role? I don't know, but awesome none-the-less. He's fucking Neo.

[Brushfire]

Heh, Keanu Reeves is probably the most emotionless actor in existance,

Hayden "Doesn't like Sand" Christensen

And I am not hating. I find it rather nobel of Mr. Reeves that he is standing up for a cause that he believes in. I mean rumors have been going around the net about a Bebop movie for years and this is a step towards making it happen.

On the subject of sub watchers, if you can't keep up with the subs, FOR GOD SAKE PLEASE DO NOT PAUSE THE GODDAMN SHOW EVERY 5 SECONDS TO READ THE SUBTITLE THAT YOU COULDN'T READ QUICK ENOUGH. I had a roomate in Airforce Tech School that did that and my God, he was the worst roomate ever.

Now Dragonball Movie on thee other hand. OH GOD. No matter how bad your movie is, at least it's not Dragonball. Or Batman and Robin

[Brycepops]

And I am not hating. I find it rather nobel of Mr. Reeves that he is standing up for a cause that he believes in. I mean rumors have been going around the net about a Bebop movie for years and this is a step towards making it happen.



I meant about anime >_> I can understand that you don't like it (except speed grapher xD), but do you have to keep saying it?

[Chris8282]

Why would anyone turn an anime into a live-action movie? It's bad enough when it's in cartoon form.

[Ferret]

Even more tl;dr

The lesson here is that you're getting your feathers in a ruffle over something that WASN'T EVEN YOUR BUSINESS to begin with. I mean for fuck's sake, man, stop trying to protect everyone because you fucking suck at it.

[Meteo Xavier]

I want to post something, but I think I'll run like hell instead.

[glasfen]

......

I had hoped it was a rumor.

Do they think he resembles the character? What reason could they have for choosing him? Audience draw? Unless he was cheap, I'm stumped.

EDIT: All right, maybe, maybe it could be done... I just wish they would cast unknowns for a movie with this much potential.

[Jam Stunna]

Cowboy Bebop is my favorite anime ever. I don't care how you try to dress it up in some ironic sentiment about the dangers of fanboyism, but I love that show. And this live-action movie is going to be terrible, no matter how you slice it.

It has nothing to do with America "breaking everything" or the casting or the producers or anything. It's just not a conversion that can work. How do you condense all of the subtext of Cowboy Bebop into 90 minutes (it's an action movie, no two hours here)? How do you communicate the tragedy of an entire cast who's futures are doomed by their pasts?

It's not just that Spike was awesome, or Faye was hot, or Ed was funny. It was everything AROUND them: the syndicate, the ruined earth, the different architecture of the various planets in our solar system, the atmosphere of the show. That can't be put into a movie. That's exactly why they DIDN'T try it for the animated movie; if you didn't watch the series, the movie made no sense to you.

But they're going to try, and they're going to fail. They're going to try and market it to as a wide an audience as possible; the casting of Keanu Reeves guarantees that (no matter what you think of him, his services are by no means cheap). Which means they're going to try and make the movie self contained, so that people who didn't watch the anime can follow the story. It won't work, because it's impossible. What's not said in the anime is even more important than what is. How do you put that into a movie? And without all that subtext, it's just a standard revenge tale, and Joe Moviegoer has a hundred of those to choose from. He's not going to watch the one with the stupid name.

Call this a fanboy rant, because that's exactly what it is. This movie doesn't take anything away from one of my favorite shows ever, but it doesn't add to it either. So I don't want it to happen. I don't want all my nay-saying to be confirmed. Just leave it alone. You already got as much out of it as you could.

[EdgeCrusher]

Ferret, cut the internet tough guy gimmick, it doesn't suit you. You're just gonna get banned here like you did in the IRC channel, but if you want to keep going round and round with people, go right ahead.

On topic of course, the internet nerd rage is at an all time high on this one. It's like people's mothers are getting raped by keanu reeves. I'm enjoying it :D

[Ferret]

Hey, EdgeCrusher, I've got a newsflash for you.

Nobody asked you, and nobody asked Dyne, so:

Do yourself a favor. Take a step back, take a deep breath, and shut the fuck up.

Please, for the love of God. Neither you nor he have to come running to shoot your mouth off just because I say something. It's old. It's tired. And nobody appreciates it.

[EdgeCrusher]

And what puts you in the "no wrong" zone there mister? Don't come in here jumping on someone's case calling them a fag just for saying something about the series. But go right ahead and keep on asperging here and get banned. We will continue the cowboy bebop talk.

[starla]

It's too bad that ferret won't take other peoples advice to heart (obvious because rather than actually reposting it, he will do a "tl;dr") because people are really trying to help him out and ask him not to get himself banned. It's also too bad this thread is now about him.
I want to post something, but I think I'll run like hell instead.

This makes me sad. Please don't be afraid to post on our forums.

In my honest opinion, I feel Keanu Reeves would do well in this role. It's unfortunate that so many people don't understand that during a live action film there is no way to replicate everything that is done in a cartoon, so they need to expect something different. It's got a cool story, and I think Keanu is actually a really great choice for the role.

[Atomicfog]

Call this a fanboy rant, because that's exactly what it is. This movie doesn't take anything away from one of my favorite shows ever, but it doesn't add to it either. So I don't want it to happen. I don't want all my nay-saying to be confirmed. Just leave it alone. You already got as much out of it as you could.

So what if it doesn't add anything to it? There are lots of movies that don't add to other things, why does that matter? You can still watch the anime as much as you want, so really, I would like to know, why does it matter to you? I agree with you, there is no way they can do the entire series of Cowboy Bebop justice with only a movie, but that's not what it's intended to do. It's intended to be an entertaining live-action interpretation, nothing more, and similarly, the effect it will have on the show as it stands is nothing. In fact, if anything, it might inspire enough popularity within the series to warrant more episodes. As a Cowboy Bebop fan boy myself, I see no reason to rant.

[EdgeCrusher]

As long as they don't do a resident evil style setup where they go off in some random direction and have main characters in storylines that make no sense, then it can't be THAT bad.

[Stitch Faced Angel]

Cowboy Bebop is my favorite anime ever. I don't care how you try to dress it up in some ironic sentiment about the dangers of fanboyism, but I love that show. And this live-action movie is going to be terrible, no matter how you slice it.

It has nothing to do with America "breaking everything" or the casting or the producers or anything. It's just not a conversion that can work. How do you condense all of the subtext of Cowboy Bebop into 90 minutes (it's an action movie, no two hours here)? How do you communicate the tragedy of an entire cast who's futures are doomed by their pasts?

It's not just that Spike was awesome, or Faye was hot, or Ed was funny. It was everything AROUND them: the syndicate, the ruined earth, the different architecture of the various planets in our solar system, the atmosphere of the show. That can't be put into a movie. That's exactly why they DIDN'T try it for the animated movie; if you didn't watch the series, the movie made no sense to you.

But they're going to try, and they're going to fail. They're going to try and market it to as a wide an audience as possible; the casting of Keanu Reeves guarantees that (no matter what you think of him, his services are by no means cheap). Which means they're going to try and make the movie self contained, so that people who didn't watch the anime can follow the story. It won't work, because it's impossible. What's not said in the anime is even more important than what is. How do you put that into a movie? And without all that subtext, it's just a standard revenge tale, and Joe Moviegoer has a hundred of those to choose from. He's not going to watch the one with the stupid name.

Call this a fanboy rant, because that's exactly what it is. This movie doesn't take anything away from one of my favorite shows ever, but it doesn't add to it either. So I don't want it to happen. I don't want all my nay-saying to be confirmed. Just leave it alone. You already got as much out of it as you could.

I don't post often in the forums, so sorry to just drop in here.

I agree with Jam on this one. It is going to be hard as all hell to make a live action movie out of this, and it is going to be even harder for any fans, including myself, to even think that this is a good idea. To even think that someone wasted precious brain energy on an idea like this makes my head hurt in ways I never thought possible.

Regardless of everyone's opinions (including mine), this will more then likely be as good of a movie as say, the Dragon Ball Movie, Street Fighter, Hard Target, The Watcher, A Walk in the Clouds, Hardball, and Ewoks Combined. Just my opinion.

The series was something of style, and in depth story telling. If there is anything that American movie making has taught me over the years, is that it will take this series and and make it into something that will have little to know style, and will take the story line and make it into a monster with more tumors than the Abomination.

It is just going to be hard for a group of American film makers to take a 26 episode Japanese series (and movie) and make a 90 minute movie with an actor that has a resume of crap movies and about 5-7 good ones, and keep the vision that was intended from the original creators.

/rant

[Aninymouse]

Dakota Fanning as Ed!

[Sindra]

Heath Ledger could have been Spike.



Srsly.

[Tricklozen]

Maybe some good music will come out of this.(TM)

[OverCoat]

Why would anyone turn an anime into a live-action movie? It's bad enough when it's in cartoon form.

http://soundtempest.net/soc/imgswf/troll.png

[Skrypnyk]

leave it to overcoat to bring some sense into this thread.

[Dyne]

Well, I'm done talking to and about a person who simply refuses to take simple advice. Truly, I'm done.

On topic, however, I have to say that if they do this movie, at least let them get Yoko Kanno to write the music for it, and have none of that "Music Inspired By" bullshit. Also, I agree, Dakota Fanning as Ed, but can she pull off the insanity? Well, it's not really insanity, it's more like playful banter or something.

Let's just hope they don't make this movie suck, period. I really enjoyed Cowboy Bebop, and I honestly don't think it needs a live action movie. I mean, look at other live action movies that were based on game franchises, then look at how successful or unsuccessful they were. That should be enough to make them rethink this idea. Then again...it is Hollywood, and they're going to make money however they want to.

[OverCoat]

Yoko Kanno doesn't need to write any more Cowboy Bebop music. The full soundtrack plus the limited edition soundtrack is 14 CDs. That's like 10 or 11 more discs than the actual anime needs.

[Brushfire]

Still doesn't hold a candle to the full works of Neon Genesis Evangelion, which has I kid you not 22 different albums ranging from 1 to 6 discs a pop.

I know, I own them all...

I am kinda ashamed of that.

[Dyne]

Brushfire, don't be ashamed to own music, even if it's from an Anime. It's still music, and still good to have.

[EdgeCrusher]

Nothing wrong with Evangelion stuff. I got so much shit for having the complete series on dvd though. I thought it was good.

[I-n-j-i-n]

Wow. Hollywood and its weird fads again. Horrible anime transitions now?

I guess at least it'd be worth a laugh unlike the four or five DOG movies in the past few months. Hollywoods and fads. ugh.

[Brushfire]

Brushfire, don't be ashamed to own music, even if it's from an Anime. It's still music, and still good to have.

Your right Dyne. Shiro Sagisu did his best and made a worth while score.

He also did the music for Bleach too.

BET YA DIDN"T KNOW THAT DIDJA?? (Not directed at anybody in general)

[Infinity's End]

OMG did you guys see the photoshopped image from one of the commenters in the article? Here's the link:
http://www.nerdfellowship.com/archives/2497

[Bleck]

worst photoshop ever

[MechaFone]

lmao. Keanu from his role in Constantine. Now that was a role he could really get into. I actually read some of the comics. Sick stuff. He was perfect for that role.
That photoshop work is horrible, but you can almost see Spike in that picture. I think at least in looks he could pull it off, but I am worried about his ability to act the part. I think Keanu is a pretty good actor (when it comes to being himself-he doesn't have much range) but maybe he'll be able to land it.
Like many others, I'm more worried about other aspects of this film. The music is most important to me. It's my fave of all anime sountracks out there, or ever will be most likely.
This movie won't ruin things for me. Shouldn't ruin things for anyone, if they don't let it. We'll just have to wait for some trailers. I might go to see this movie just to laugh at it.

[Brushfire]

http://www.nerdfellowship.com/archives/2497

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

He just...with the hair... and the zaniness...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And I just made Little Mac!!

[Dyne]

Your right Dyne. Shiro Sagisu did his best and made a worth while score.

He also did the music for Bleach too.

BET YA DIDN"T KNOW THAT DIDJA?? (Not directed at anybody in general)
Actually, I did know that. :) Bleach is one of my favorite series, save for all the filler just like Naruto. I like them both, but I watch the dubbed, and there's nothing wrong with it. As a matter of fact, I checked out Angelic Layer one time, my best friend gave me this fan-subbed set, and I watched that. The anime itself isn't bad, but the subtitles could've used a bit more spelling correction and possibly grammar correction. Otherwise, great series.

[JCvgluvr]

Still if I'm casting for in the worst in the tradition of Hollywood I'd think it'd look like this:

Jett: Sylvestor Stallone
Fey: Paris Hilton
Ed: Shia LeBeouf
Ein: Gilbert Gottfried
Vicious: Ice Cube
Julia: Renee Zellweger

Ugh. I don't understand why it's getting so popular to bash Shia. I think he's a rather capable actor, and I don't really see why he's catching any flak for his roles...:?

[Bleck]

Ugh. I don't understand why it's getting so popular to bash Shia. I think he's a rather capable actor, and I don't really see why he's catching any flak for his roles...:?

agreeing with this

[The Damned]

Actually, I did know that. :) Bleach is one of my favorite series, save for all the filler just like Naruto. I like them both, but I watch the dubbed, and there's nothing wrong with it. As a matter of fact, I checked out Angelic Layer one time, my best friend gave me this fan-subbed set, and I watched that. The anime itself isn't bad, but the subtitles could've used a bit more spelling correction and possibly grammar correction. Otherwise, great series.
That's because a lot of fansubbers rush the subbing so they can get "FIRST!". It's kind of like a shitty race, except that the guys that coming somewhere around the middle are the winners. They usually have better source videos, translations, fonts and spelling.

I've actually downloaded fansubs, stopped watching part way through, and deleted them because the subbing was just so bad.

There's some decently done youtube rant about fansubbing groups I recall seeing here months ago that covered most of this, and while it was kind of nerdy to bitch about subbing, he did raise some valid points about presentation (the use of stylized fonts and color choices) and taking liberties with the dialog and leaving words and phrases in Japanese when it's not necessary.

[Velocifero]

Hahaha....

http://nerdfellowship.com/community/gallery/1_16_01_09_10_04_21.jpg

This is my favorite anime series and I've got the whole soundtrack. We'll see what happens.

[Nekofrog]

Ugh. I don't understand why it's getting so popular to bash Shia. I think he's a rather capable actor, and I don't really see why he's catching any flak for his roles...:?

Because he's incredibly overrated and aided in bringing ruin to the Indiana Jones franchise.

[RealFolkBlues]

lmao. Keanu from his role in Constantine. Now that was a role he could really get into. I actually read some of the comics. Sick stuff. He was perfect for that role.

?????

I highly disagree, good sir. John Constantine was a blond, British, devil-may-care scoundrel, not a black haired California surfer dude who moonlighted as a professional brooder.

I haven't read too much HellBlazer itself, but Keanu was definitely wrong for the role. They changed the role for him, which isn't the worst thing ever, but still.

Speaking of changing roles, I don't really think most of the characters would work as movie characters as they did in the show. Somebody (Jam Stunna maybe) brought up a good point in that much of the character development in the show comes from what the characters don't say, rather than what they do. That rarely works in a movie, especially an action movie.

They could make something of a variation on the show with a few changes to the roles; Faye could work, unfortunately, as a fairly cliche femme fatale, and they could hint at something more with some carefully scripted dialogue. Honestly, if they could get her, I think Angelina Jolie would do the part well. If not, maybe Helena Bonham Carter? Think Marla Singer in space.

Jet actually works pretty well in a movie, they just have to again make him more stereotypical gruff old guy with a past. Ron Perlman?

Ed is too damn weird for a standard movie format. Not too bad would be simply a playful girl genius. Dakota Fanning sounds alright to me. A perfect match would probably be an unknown though, and that sounds more doable.

Spike is difficult, at best. They can't sacrifice his humor, and they can't get rid of his seriousness either, or else the character's got no depth, and therefore a shitty centerpiece for a movie. I think Knocking of Heaven's Door did a good job of showing both sides, so follow its lead I guess. Jim Carrey? I know, his humor is usually too broad, but tone him down closer to his serious roles (Eternal Sunshine, Man on the Moon,) and he could just work. Plus, he's tall and lanky. The only problem is how to pull off action scenes.

If they do okay, I'll be alright with it. I'm not going to get my hopes up, and this movie won't affect my love for the series.

[The Damned]

Faye could work, unfortunately, as a fairly cliche femme fatale, and they could hint at something more with some carefully scripted dialogue. Honestly, if they could get her, I think Angelina Jolie would do the part well.The problem with casting Faye is that she's not a sex symbol, strictly speaking.

Faye's character is awkward. She's Alice after falling through the Looking Glass. It's decades later, she's aged, she has no contact with her past, and she has no idea what this world is like. Even after getting scammed and having to adjust to this fucked up world, she's never really part of it. She's a bounty hunter, living on a ship with an ex-cop, an ex-mafia, a kid hacker, and a dog that's smarter than all of them combined.

Having seem most of Jolie's roles in other movies, I think she's, at best, an average actress. Teens and some men think she's the height of sexiness, and that's why she's there. She's eye candy, a set of boobs and sometimes a passable accent. If she had been replaced by similar actresses, I wonder how much different those films would have been.

Mind you, if the movie is only two hours long or less, they may very well end up cutting her back story out completely, or even her character.

And then we get into the whole "butchering" thing where they cut out stuff. But that's another thing for Ferret to call us fags over...

[EdgeCrusher]

She's not even average to me. I don't even see why guys think she's the best thing ever.

[JAXX]

shai would not be good for ed, ed is a girl, although ed is sometimes confused about what sex she is, there is no confusion of what sex shai is.

it would be cool if they didn't work on backstory at all, and just picked up the movie during a "missing" episode, like the anime movie. Somewhere I read they were going to use the "bloody eye" drug as a topic for plot. Which would make a good 2 hour plotline, it was a great early episode, and it was before the series had gone into the depth of the characters.

Keanu does have the pretty boy look that spike needs, and thats why when I heard about it, I thought it wasn't the worst casting idea. Heath Ledger doesn't have that baby faced pretty boy look, but his acting would be good. Johnny Depp, back in the day (edward scissor hands) would have been sweet.

[djpretzel]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that it won't be the casting that primarily ruins the movie, but rather the screenplay/director. Also, in my humble opinion, directors should be chosen first and have influence over casting... the director is the single role with the most influence on how the whole thing will turn out, and while Keanu might actually make sense for a given approach, he could easily be an awful selection for another. I didn't see director mentioned anywhere, so I'm assuming Keanu's the only name really attached to the thing.

On a side note, whatever happened to this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2003-05-21/live-action-eva-press-release - ?

[EdgeCrusher]

I'd love to see a live action eva, just to see if they could work in the whole "I'm gonna jerk off on asuka in the hospital" scene. :D

[The Damned]

Nah, once you have to make it two hours, stuff gets cut all over the place. Then they localize it. Then they put Jessica Simpson music in everywhere they can.

Live action Japanese Evangelion might be kind of fun, but only because it would be laughable. Imagine everyone running around in Power Ranger like spandex and the cheesy CG for all the fights.

[EdgeCrusher]

The american market would probably pitch a fit about the christianity over tones and such too, and there would be protests. But I'm still waiting on the retelling movies that they are releasing in japan. So far the first one came out, and funimation got the rights to release it here.

[Brushfire]

The problem with casting Faye is that she's not a sex symbol, strictly speaking.



Bullcrap, she ain't no sex symbol. I've mast... err... thought about her character several times before.

If she ins't a sex sybol why does she hold the title "Madam Fanservice."

Also LONG LIVE SHIA!!

[Makai]

I just watched Knockin on Heaven's Door last night, which highlighted for me potential problems in the live action movie. I don't think bad acting, bad dialogue, or even a bad script would ruin the movie. Lack of stylization would kill it. The worst thing that could happen to this movie would be a soundtrack containing no jazz. Also, Keanu Reeves needs to spend most of his time not talking.

Instead of recapping the whole show into 2 hours or continuing it, they should do what Knockin on Heaven's Door did - make a new, long episode placed somewhere in the series.

Heath Ledger doesn't have that baby faced pretty boy look, buthis acting would be good.
I don't think he would work very well in a live action movie.

[LuketheXjesse]

Because he's incredibly overrated and aided in bringing ruin to the Indiana Jones franchise.

Everyone whines about that movie -_-

I thought it was pretty good, though the man eating ants were a little corny.

[FuriousFure]

Everyone whines about that movie -_-

I thought it was pretty good, though the man eating ants were a little corny.

you thought the ANTS were corny? not the monkies. or the ground hogs. or the prairie dogs. but the ants. huh.

anyway. yeah this is gotta be realistic and atsmopheric which is gonna be tough but can't seemed forced.

[EdgeCrusher]

Fuck shai, fuck the new indiana jones, and fuck anyone that liked it.

[LuketheXjesse]

you thought the ANTS were corny? not the monkies. or the ground hogs. or the prairie dogs. but the ants. huh.

I don't know what you're talking about with Ground Hogs or Prairie Dogs, but yeah the Monkeys were pretty homo.

[FuriousFure]

I don't know what you're talking about with Ground Hogs or Prairie Dogs, but yeah the Monkeys were pretty homo.

yeah, I was going to say either one but not both. but those CGI rodents in the desert, were completely unnecessary and not funny in the slightest.

but as for Faye, i think they would go for some unknown actress. and for ed?

hoooo boy, that's gonna be tough cause you need the childness to be present, and the silliness but without her looking like she high on something. and I don't think Dakota Fanning can pull of a child. i don't think she has the skills. she's like a minature adult and so damn annoying in her movies. (war of the worlds and man on fire)

[Jam Stunna]

Now that you mention it, I think Dakota Fanning would make an excellent Ed.

[BlueMage]

This is nowhere near as bad as the casting for the new Street Fighter movie.

New what?! Who on earth could top Raul? NO-ONE.

Mostly because he's dead :(

[Ferret]

Now that you mention it, I think Dakota Fanning would make an excellent Ed.

I know you're joking, and I know you're going to apologize for making such a bad joke...

[Toadofsky]

I really don't know about this movie, honestly, I could care less. I've seen Cowboy Bebop from start to finish. I hated the ending, I felt like I wasted my time watching it. It was a well made anime, I love the music, and it's overall style. But I just don't care for that ending.

This is just my opinion on it, you don't have to like it.

In regards to Shia Lebouf? I really hope he calms down the amount of movies he's in, he's gonna turn into Samuel L. Jackson, and what I mean by that, is that he'll be in every single film he can get his hands on, and just slowly become an irritant to cinema. Neither are bad actors, but they really need to just slow it down. Then again, that's really the media's fault of overexposure I guess.

I guess the easiest way to not support this movie would be to not see it right? And, ah forget it. Cause honestly, unless it looks interesting, I'd rather just pay a buck to rent it.

[Maco70]

I thought this was old news...

I'll repeat I guess.

I'll believe this movie when I see it.

[Brushfire]

In regards to Shia Lebouf? I really hope he calms down the amount of movies he's in, he's gonna turn into Samuel L. Jackson, and what I mean by that, is that he'll be in every single film he can get his hands on, and just slowly become an irritant to cinema. Neither are bad actors, but they really need to just slow it down. Then again, that's really the media's fault of overexposure I guess.



When did Sam Jackson become an irritant. I always thought of him as the "Clear Eyes" of the Cinema world. Sam Jackson is a great actor. And so is Shia Lebouf. And so is Meatloaf. Meatloaf was awesome in Spice World.

[BooDidley7]

When did Sam Jackson become an irritant. I always thought of him as the "Clear Eyes" of the Cinema world. Sam Jackson is a great actor. And so is Shia Lebouf. And so is Meatloaf. Meatloaf was awesome in Spice World.

Sam Jackson used to be pretty awesome, but after around 2000, most of the films he's done have been junk.

Going back to Shia Lebouf, I originally mentioned him cast as Ed as a cynical joke, because that's the typical Hollywood casting move. Take a hot young actor and squeeze them into a role in a film you're trying to force into a blockbuster, regardless of appropriate casting (you know, cause Ed's actually a girl...)

[Bleck]

Sam Jackson used to be pretty awesome, but after around 2000, most of the films he's done have been junk.

most movies that most actors do are junk

the only actor who's only ever been in good films is Daniel Day-Lewis

[Ferret]

Which would you rather have? A good actor in a bad movie or a bad actor in a good movie?

Choose quickly, this could determine the ultimate fate of the movie industry.

[Zeklan]

Dear God,

Why? Seriously, why?

[Bleck]

Which would you rather have? A good actor in a bad movie or a bad actor in a good movie?

bad actor, good movie

if it's a good movie then it doesn't matter how bad an actor is

but a bad movie is all bad no matter what

[I-n-j-i-n]

People make a big deal over the director and screenplay being heavily influenced or even being directly collaborated by the Cowboy Bebop production crew, but I think that could be a mistake. Most Asia-to-America transitions have failed horribly even when they included the direct help from directors and writers of the former shows and movies.

The only MAJOR exception to the rule was The Departed, which had a massive Bostonian overhaul to the original Hong Kong theme.

[BooDidley7]

People make a big deal over the director and screenplay being heavily influenced or even being directly collaborated by the Cowboy Bebop production crew, but I think that could be a mistake. Most Asia-to-America transitions have failed horribly even when they included the direct help from directors and writers of the former shows and movies.

The only MAJOR exception to the rule was The Departed, which had a massive Bostonian overhaul to the original Hong Kong theme.

Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it's generally true. I think it probably has something to do with it looking good on paper to say you're bringing in the original writers, directors, etc., for input, but then Hollywood ignores them. Or tries to simply plug their ideas into the typical 3-act structure with all the typical cliches that somehow pass for moviemaking nowadays...

Probably helped you had Scorsese helming The Departed, as opposed to some music video director too.

I'm just relieved that the American remake of "Oldboy" no longer looks like it'll happen...

[AJiLe]

FOX?! Keanu??! Cowboy Bebop..?!

Those words should never even be stored on the same hard drive together, and now these evil bastards are combining them in a movie. This is a total outrage. It's like making a live action Noir movie and casting Lindsey Lohan as Mireille.

I'm... I'm beyond pissed, and beyond disappointed--I'm like the Potaru earrings fusion of the two. We've got to do something about this! Does anyone have an address at Fox we can send "Please Don't" mail to? God I feel so powerless to avert this travesty...

I'm gonna go write a letter to my congressman.

[Sinewav]

Sam Jackson used to be pretty awesome, but after around 2000, most of the films he's done have been junk.

One of my film production teachers actually got to meet him back in the day when he was still doing stage plays. He said that "Sam Jackson is the kind of guy who would rather be in 6 bad productions than 1 good one. He's happiest when he always has work to do."

Also, Snakes on a Plane was one of the greatest films of the 21st century.

[Triad Orion]

And really, it looks like Samuel Jackson has a blast playing the parts he does. Even if he knows the movie's going to be bad, I think he tries hard just to have fun with what he does.

[Brushfire]

David Bowie as Jareth the Goblin King should be Vicious.

"Are you ready Spike? DANCE MAGIC DANCE!!"

[Native Jovian]

Samuel Jackson
Jet? I could see it!

[Bleck]

David Bowie as Jareth the Goblin King should be Vicious.

"Are you ready Spike? DANCE MAGIC DANCE!!"

YES so many characters

[FuriousFure]

although, she probably wouldn't want to. and nobody would want her to.

I think Christina Ricci, would be an awesome Faye.

http://mrchevyceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/cr.jpg

she's got the body and the look. She can play emotionally unstable people and characters who have problems but cover it up with a facade.

the only problems I see is

1) she was in speed racer as trixie (good movie btw) but that doesn't matter cause nobody saw it anyway.

2) a little too much fore-head. but that's just nitpicking.

also Mickey Rourke as Jet would work. deep voice. same build.

[BooDidley7]

although, she probably wouldn't want to. and nobody would want her to.

I think Christina Ricci, would be an awesome Faye.

http://mrchevyceleb.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/cr.jpg

she's got the body and the look. She can play emotionally unstable people and characters who have problems but cover it up with a facade.

the only problems I see is

1) she was in speed racer as trixie (good movie btw) but that doesn't matter cause nobody saw it anyway.

2) a little too much fore-head. but that's just nitpicking.

also Mickey Rourke as Jet would work. deep voice. same build.

Sorry, she'd be a terrible Faye, but I can see where you're coming from. I just think she's too tiny, and nymphish.

Since you mentioned her, maybe a bit younger and she could've been as perfect an Ed as you could realistically hope for though.

I don't know about Rourke as Jet. But he's a definite maybe. I kinda lean toward Ron Pearlman, because he might pull off the overall look better, but I'm not sure. Either would probably satisfy though.

[FuriousFure]

damn, never realized she was so short. she's about 5 inches short of faye.

Spike: 6' 1" Keanu: 6'1.25"
Faye: 5' 6"
Jet: 6'2" Rourke: 5"11 Perlman: 6'1" (with boots would work)
Ed: 4'6"
Julia: 5'7"

[Jam Stunna]

Sorry to bump this thread, but I've had a pretty significant change of heart regarding this movie. I heard that this is something of a fan project that Keanu Reeves has pushed through. True/False?

If it's a fan project, then that changes everything. I have complete faith that Reeves would ensure a high level of quality for the project. It wouldn't be like Dragonball, where they hired a guy to play Goku who's never actually seen an episode of the show. This would essentially be a fan-fiction with a major Hollywood studio backing it. That possibility actually has me very excited.

[cobaltstarfire]

If it is a fan-project, I'd still be a little suspicious of it, I mean it's not very often that good fan-fics come out of anything...

[Jam Stunna]

If it is a fan-project, I'd still be a little suspicious of it, I mean it's not very often that good fan-fics come out of anything...

It's also not very often that fanfics have multi-million dollar budgets. I mean, this site is the perfect example of what fandom can accomplish.

[Bleck]

If it is a fan-project, I'd still be a little suspicious of it, I mean it's not very often that good fan-fics come out of anything...

there are actually some fantastic fanfics out there floating around

you just have to look hard enough, unfortunately

[JAXX]

I'm still going to be positive towards this, it's old news now and people have settled down about it, but I'm going to have a good laugh if this movie turns out to be amazing. It seriously grossed me out how much junk smack talk this news got.

[JAXX]

by the way, most of the "ideal actor for jet" choices in this thread have been horrible. Jet is only suppose to be 36 years old, even though he seems older, (maybe 50's) in the series. He's balding, is a harry beast of a man and is a flippin badd ass.

Jason Statham would be one of my picks (he fits the age, and I think he looks like a decent Jet).

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/jason-statham/jason-statham-20061012-168235.jpg


but for an "older" feel for Jet, you could do Jeff Bridges al la Obadiah Stane (Iron Man)

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images//thumb/d/da/Obadiah_Stane.jpg/150px-Obadiah_Stane.jpg

But for some reason, I also like the idea of Liam Neeson as Jet, for some reason I feel like his personality fits jet's the best, and his voice is priceless.

http://scifipedia.scifi.com/images/thumb/c/cb/Liam_neeson1.jpg/300px-Liam_neeson1.jpg

anyways, they'll probably pick someone that will make the crowd gasp, and then we'll go through all the smack talk again

[cobaltstarfire]

It's also not very often that fanfics have multi-million dollar budgets. I mean, this site is the perfect example of what fandom can accomplish.

Yeah it is, but I wouldn't compare something like this to fan-fiction. Yes there is good fanfiction out there that you have to dig really hard for as Bleck mentioned. But really I'd be leery of it simply because of the "fanfic" aspect of it, most people just can't craft something good with the tools they are given.

A big budget does not a great movie make.

[Native Jovian]

But really I'd be leery of it simply because of the "fanfic" aspect of it, most people just can't craft something good with the tools they are given.
*facepalm*

The point is that this whole site is essentially fanfiction, except with music instead of writing. The point is that just because something's created by fans, that doesn't automatically make it suck. For example: all the music on this site.

[Bleck]

protip: music is very very very different from literature

[cobaltstarfire]

The point is that just because something's created by fans, that doesn't automatically make it suck. For example: all the music on this site.

And where did I say that anything made by fans is automatically made of suck?

Oh right I didn't.

[Ferret]

protip: music is very very very different from literature

Seconded.

Not to mention that half the people who have remixes up on this site either have classical education or were otherwise musicians before they started submitting stuff.

So yeah. OCR is not FF.net.

[Native Jovian]

And where did I say that anything made by fans is automatically made of suck?
Um, right here?
But really I'd be leery of it simply because of the "fanfic" aspect of it, most people just can't craft something good with the tools they are given.
I read that and get "if it's a fanfic it sucks because people suck". Apparently that's not what you mean?

Not to mention that half the people who have remixes up on this site either have classical education or were otherwise musicians before they started submitting stuff.
Which doesn't change the fact that they're video game fans creating derived works based on the video games that they like. That's all I'm sayin'.

[cobaltstarfire]

I read that and get "if it's a fanfic it sucks because people suck". Apparently that's not what you mean?



Apparently "most people" means "all people" now.

[Raziellink]

there are actually some fantastic fanfics out there floating around

you just have to look hard enough, unfortunately

Oh, you mean the one where they do it on the boat, and then in the bed, and then in the tub? zomglol.

[Brushfire]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail188.html