OCR01245 - Final Fantasy Adventure 'Begin the End of the Beginning'

[djpretzel]

What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

[Lyrai]

Wow. This is nice stuff. The imagery he described helped me enjoy it more, since more often than not, I'll listen to music by itself, rather than as a background for gaming or such. Plus, it's (technically) a Seiken Densetsu mix.

[Blood_Hawk]

I enjoyed the beat very much, nice techno sound with a good fast pace. The intro was enjoyable as well, it opened the song very well for what was to come.

[Simoom]

Not a bad piece of techno, thing that i'm wondering the most about is why the name seems to be Smashing Pumpkins reference (who had a song titled "The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning")? stylistically, this remix doesn't really make me think of either the pumpkins style, or of the style of their song with the same title. Not that it really matters, might have just been a coincidence, just found it odd. maybe i'm viewing the world too pumpkin-centrically.

Cool stuff, i probably would have liked a little more variety in the instrumentation than the synth, but that's just me.

[Bahamut]

Whoa, this caught me off guard, but so far as I can notice, the beginning is not very inspired.

[big giant circles]

Not a bad piece of techno, thing that i'm wondering the most about is why the name seems to be Smashing Pumpkins reference (who had a song titled "The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning")? stylistically, this remix doesn't really make me think of either the pumpkins style, or of the style of their song with the same title. Not that it really matters, might have just been a coincidence, just found it odd. maybe i'm viewing the world too pumpkin-centrically.

Taken from an email to liontamer on the same subject:
Particularly, the name of the mix comes from the fact
that you are beginning the last part of the game,
which in fact became the first in a series--the Secret
of Mana. Thus, Beginning the End of the Beginning of
the series. *wink*

hope that helps. :)

[Debotron-6K]

Heh.. I thought about the Pumpkins song as well.

Great tune, I love the swirling-panning-flanging-statticy shit that flows in and out of the stereo field. I believe that this is a mix best enjoyed on a good pair of headphones.

Excellent drums and I love the bassline as well. Great music, this.

With this and Willed Assault, I am now coming to the realization that Seiken Densetsu had an excellent soundtrack. I kowtow to Mr. Ito.

[Xelebes]

This is not techno.

This is a hybrid between chemical breaks and big beat. Vastly different.

Okay, aside from the asinine dj-genreing talk (even if it would sound really out of place in a techno set..... ;) ) This is pretty cool though. Though at some points it has this muddy cycle going through with the toms and the mid-bass synths - it would have been better to have exagerated it a bit to help the breakbeats stand out it a bit more.

[Navi]

Fun stuff. Enjoyable to listen too.

Apparently not techno...;)

Where's Gecko when you need him?

[NinjaJonny]

I Like it, even though it caught me off guard in the part after the piano intermission. By the way, I like the piano intermission. Well done, a nice mix of techno and trance

[Brim]

I like this remix, even though I never heard the original. Its just such a great composition...yeah yeah I can't justify the awesomeness right now...

[Xelebes]

Well done, a nice mix of techno and trance

This is not a mix of trance and techno... AUGH!!!!!

Ok... I'm done for now. Time to bury my tail between my legs now....

*scurries off*

[Neonlare]

This is surberb, it (for me) Has the sense of adventure and glory, NICE JOB!

[Stones Jackson]

Gotta start with saying, "Great mix, I'll listen to it once a day." The constant transitions between the two songs really make it sound like a battle of good and evil.

But one thing bothers me. The first quote in the remix comments (http://www.ocremix.org/detailmix.php?mixid=OCR01245) says that the main character and the final villian were once allies, but they weren't. Julius (the final villian) was an ally of Dark Lord since the beginning of the game, and Dark Lord keeps the main character as a slave to fight monsters for his own amusement.

Also, FFA had 3 battle themes, Fight 1, Fight 2, and the Final Battle. This remix is of Mission of Mana, and Fight 2. But since the final showdown is 3 consecutive battles each with different music, I can't complain.

[big giant circles]

The first quote in the remix comments says that the main character and the final villian were once allies, but they weren't. Julius (the final villian) was an ally of Dark Lord since the beginning of the game, and Dark Lord keeps the main character as a slave to fight monsters for his own amusement.

Also, FFA had 3 battle themes, Fight 1, Fight 2, and the Final Battle. This remix is of Mission of Mana, and Fight 2. But since the final showdown is 3 consecutive battles each with different music, I can't complain.

you know, you're right. it's just been so long since i'd played it, i couldn't remember exactly. i did at least think that julius did help the main char. at some point, though, right?

also, since this is fight 2 music, which plays during the 1st round of (well, technically 2nd) the last boss, you are beginning (IMO) the the end of the game at that point, thus the title was dubbed :)

also, how did you find out the titles of the music?

[Terrisare]

The first quote in the remix comments says that the main character and the final villian were once allies, but they weren't. Julius (the final villian) was an ally of Dark Lord since the beginning of the game, and Dark Lord keeps the main character as a slave to fight monsters for his own amusement.

Also, FFA had 3 battle themes, Fight 1, Fight 2, and the Final Battle. This remix is of Mission of Mana, and Fight 2. But since the final showdown is 3 consecutive battles each with different music, I can't complain.

you know, you're right. it's just been so long since i'd played it, i couldn't remember exactly. i did at least think that julius did help the main char. at some point, though, right?

also, since this is fight 2 music, which plays during the 1st round of (well, technically 2nd) the last boss, you are beginning (IMO) the the end of the game at that point, thus the title was dubbed :)

also, how did you find out the titles of the music?

no, I dont think he ever did. he was just a gemma night that was in league with dark lord. what happened to dark lord? I know that you kill him in the remake (sword of mana), but I cant recall how he dies (if he does) in the original. bah, it doesn't matter. great remix, from one of the first games I ever played :D

[Stones Jackson]

you know, you're right. it's just been so long since i'd played it, i couldn't remember exactly. i did at least think that julius did help the main char. at some point, though, right?

also, since this is fight 2 music, which plays during the 1st round of (well, technically 2nd) the last boss, you are beginning (IMO) the the end of the game at that point, thus the title was dubbed :)

also, how did you find out the titles of the music?

I own the Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections album, complete with the original sound version and the concert version "Let Thoughts Ride on Knowledge". I also have the Sword of Mana Premiun Soundtrack, and the Sword of Mana piano book (which has japanese titles anyway).

In FFA, Fight 1 (Battle 1 ~Believe in Victory~ in Sword of Mana) is played during most boss fights and the first julius fight. Fight 2 (Battle 2 ~Courage and Pride From the Heart~) is played during the fight with Dark Lord midway through the game and the second battle with julius. Final Battle is played during the conclusive fight with Julius.

They're all good songs, almost too good for the gameboy (but hey, that's why we have OCR). And I'd rather hear Fight 2 remixed anyway.



ugh... so many fights/battles...

[big giant circles]

piano book, lol, that is truly awesome :D

back in the day i picked out most of the songs on piano and used to practice them quite frequently. they're all nuts to play--very fast and lots of movement going on, so it used to help me condition my fingers.

i'd love to hear a final battle mix. i don't know if i could do one that would give it proper justice, though. it'd be quite difficult with FL, methinks.

you know, i didn't even know they made a sword of mana remake until the other day. quite different than the original. it was actually kind of weird hearing the "new" soundtrack. cool stuff, though. i'd like to play it.

[Coucou]

IMO:
the beginning sounds like a recent version of Tubular Bells.
The "vibraslap"/"quijida" perc is fun, but a bit repetitive.
Good synth sounds and interessing bass line.

[Oruroku]

Pretty good; it seems kind of simple in an awkward way, even when it picks up fully.
I'm glad it was built up in the beginning and that the final beat wasn't slammed on us right away. Techno is always better when it's built up.
I liked the original song's melody, and this is no different. For some reason, I also really like the way it kind of distorts itself around 2:45...Minor, minor thing, but very neat. All in all, tight remix.

[Fray]

Oh I really really dig this. I do think the compression is on the heavy side; way more than I would have used, but it doesn't really hurt the piece much. It has a really nostalgic feel for me for some reason, perhaps because it reminds me of some of my favorite older OC Remixes.

[Transdecimal]

The first quote in the remix comments says that the main character and the final villian were once allies, but they weren't. Julius (the final villian) was an ally of Dark Lord since the beginning of the game, and Dark Lord keeps the main character as a slave to fight monsters for his own amusement.

Also, FFA had 3 battle themes, Fight 1, Fight 2, and the Final Battle. This remix is of Mission of Mana, and Fight 2. But since the final showdown is 3 consecutive battles each with different music, I can't complain.

you know, you're right. it's just been so long since i'd played it, i couldn't remember exactly. i did at least think that julius did help the main char. at some point, though, right?

also, since this is fight 2 music, which plays during the 1st round of (well, technically 2nd) the last boss, you are beginning (IMO) the the end of the game at that point, thus the title was dubbed :)

also, how did you find out the titles of the music?

no, I dont think he ever did. he was just a gemma night that was in league with dark lord. what happened to dark lord? I know that you kill him in the remake (sword of mana), but I cant recall how he dies (if he does) in the original. bah, it doesn't matter. great remix, from one of the first games I ever played :D

Actually, Julius *did* help the hero at one point near the start of the game - he disguised himself as a guy and helped you fight your way through the Marsh Cave (he shot fireballs). He did this because he needed to find out if the girl who Kett kidnapped was the one carrying the Pendant of Mana.

He then proceeded to kidnap her himself after you both reach the town of Wendel.

[ziwtra]

very nice... lots of nostalgic FFA themes in this one : ) I really like what you've done with the bassline.

on another note... maybe next summer (when i have time for music)... FFA remix project?? : D


yh

[big giant circles]

on another note... maybe next summer (when i have time for music)... FFA remix project?? : D


yh

I'm all for it :)

By then, hopefully I'll have mastered a couple of the techniques my mix showes I could improve upon ;)

Seriously, though. This game has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard. And I'm not talking about Sword of Mana. I'm talking about the original FFA. It definitely should warrent a "project".

[Stones Jackson]

on another note... maybe next summer (when i have time for music)... FFA remix project?? : D


yh

I'm all for it :)

By then, hopefully I'll have mastered a couple of the techniques my mix showes I could improve upon ;)

Seriously, though. This game has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard. And I'm not talking about Sword of Mana. I'm talking about the original FFA. It definitely should warrent a "project".

Yes! I would donate $50 to OCR if it hosted an FFA remix project! I'd suggest staying true to the order of tracks in Let Thoughts Ride on Knowledge (http://rpgfan.com/soundtracks/sd-arr/index.html) because it already has nice transitions, but you'd have to add in the missing songs like the second overworld music.

Oh and Transdecimal is right, Julius actually does help boy through the Marsh Cave, much like how Megatron helped the Maximals into his citadel so he could take command over Cybertron once again.

[big giant circles]

http://rpgfan.com/soundtracks/sd-arr/05.ram

lol... nice. ¡Olé!

[benevolensaurus]

I really liked the source material used for this one... and this remix takes it even further. It doesn't necessarily change it a whole lot (which in this case might have been a bad thing for the mix), but it is quite a bit more epic and nice and cool and stuff. I likes it. I likes it a lot.

[Bummerdude]

on another note... maybe next summer (when i have time for music)... FFA remix project?? : D


yh

I'm all for it :)

By then, hopefully I'll have mastered a couple of the techniques my mix showes I could improve upon ;)

Seriously, though. This game has one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard. And I'm not talking about Sword of Mana. I'm talking about the original FFA. It definitely should warrent a "project".

Yes! I would donate $50 to OCR if it hosted an FFA remix project! I'd suggest staying true to the order of tracks in Let Thoughts Ride on Knowledge (http://rpgfan.com/soundtracks/sd-arr/index.html) because it already has nice transitions, but you'd have to add in the missing songs like the second overworld music.

Oh and Transdecimal is right, Julius actually does help boy through the Marsh Cave, much like how Megatron helped the Maximals into his citadel so he could take command over Cybertron once again.
Nice parallel with Transformers, but I thought that that man in da cave was actually good, then at wendel he´s in town, says hallo, and when he comes to help again, he got backired outside by Julius. Or something like it.

And YES I´m also for a project of this game. It has some real cool music, I just cleared it 5 minutes ago so I know. I may not need to donate 50 bucks, maybe 10 since there are like 15 tracks in total I think.

Finally to the remix. Loved it.
I liked the beginning, very touching and calm with that marimba sounding instrument. FFA is a little mysterious, and then it all builds up to go over into a techno...No, trance,...Aww come on Xelebes, what are ya gonna call it. I just says techno-inspired piano arrangement, it fits fer me.

Ah, yes, the piano, very beautiful, I liked it very mucho, and for the overall feel to the remix, I liked it too. Maybe not that battle between that betrayed friend and Manahero mood that I expected, but I guess this goes for that too.
To sum it all up, it was awesome. For all those that got time to read through all this, DOWNLOAD IT!

[avaris]

Getting back in the mood for FFA for some reason I decided to revisit this remix. This seriously sounds like it came from the movie Blood Sport especially with those panning drums in the intro. Lots of variation and also this plays on alot of the themes from the game. The mix def keeps a good pace and feel the entire time. The build ups and breakdowns and thoughtfully done. Def good stuff.

[OA]

Nice intro build up, and then a totally Ziwtra style bass. I love it. :-)

Great leads, and some excellent drum patterns, this is a really kickin mix, some great progression, and a lot of attention to detail. Added to an amazing source track, and it's a total winner.

[Smarty]

man i love all this guy's remixes!

[The_Mighty_KELP]

BGC is one of my favorite artists, and so many of his remixes are REALLY good, so it was hard to pick my favorite of all. But I think this remix edges out "In Your Prime" for my #1 favorite BGC mix. FFA was pretty much the first action RPG I ever played, and like the fifth game I ever played, too, and after all these years, I STILL have the original cartridge and give it a quick play-through every six months or so. The musical score is sooooooo overlooked, it's not even funny - so imagine my jaw drop when I found that there were this many stellar remixes from two stellar artists all on the same website! The source tune for this remix is simply amazing, but this remix... oh, geez, this remix... it's better than the original. It captures all the emotion and amplifies it exponentially, and the sheer engineering of the song is amazing. It's just awesome.

Major kudos to BGC for this epic song, and I shall hope for the day that he and Ziwtra get back together and finish their project, because it is worth finishing. Well, to me, anyway. =]