OCR01844 - Chrono Trigger 'JESUS CHRIST IT'S A DINOSAUR GET IN THE EPOCH'

[djpretzel]

What do you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

[KyleJCrb]

Best remix title EVAR.

Very awesome to hear a percussion arrangement. Extremely creative, and definitely a nice break from the usual Schala and Zeal. You're living up to your moniker, DrumUltimA.

Now we just need a remix of the Pause music from Battletoads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhl9pJB-2Ak).

[MechaFone]

Okay, I'm digging the percussion for the intro.
All right, I checked out the source material. Turns out it's little more than a bunch of bongos!
This remix takes a simple set of big, wooden drums and turns it into something more. The rhythms and the drum patterns here are really something else, taking a simple, primitive song into something eloquent and exciting! Great job!

[Ryo242]

And quite good too if that's all live as stated. Not to mention I think it'd be hard to make a remix out of something that's all just a few drums, but very nice work.

And a really great title. Wow.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Pure unadulterated sexy badness.

[Durinthal]

You know, I didn't think a remix consisting entirely of unpitched instruments could be done very well. Glad I was proven wrong.

Of course, it helps that the source material is basically just that too.

[Skullbullet]

I kinda knew this was going to come up at some point - after all, this track (Rhythm of Wind Sky and Earth) is perc-only on a soundtrack full of lush melodies that people have already ReMixed to hell.

That said, really glad it was DrumUltima - he kicks out all the best stuff, no holds barred, and this track is certainly exemplary of that quality in his music. The rhythms here are groovy, baby, really swank. And with a title like that, who can lose? ;)

[yosefu]

Very interesting percussion mix. For some reason it reminds me of africa. Overall this is pretty sweet and the name is just priceless.

[ProjectSpam]

Yes! I've been wondering if someone would ever approach this song, and I'm glad you did! So cool.

[CarnCarby]

This is fantastic. It honestly has even more to listen to than a lot of the more typical remixes on the site. Way to turn kind of boring source into really interesting listening. I'll second Liontamer re: cymbal swells (What?) but that in no way detracts from the excellence of the mix.

[BlackPanther]

All's I got to say is...

Wow lol good shit man.

[abg]

I've always wondered if anyone would do this track. Totally awesome! This remix is really well done!

[artemisjaeger]

YES YES YES YES

This makes me a happy man. A happy man indeed.

[Sir_Downunder]

Pure unadulterated sexy badness.

This is indeed a very sexy remix.

[SoulinEther]

I too got the african vibes. This stuff is nice!

But this makes me wonder.. could a remix of a percussion-only source be remixed by expanding on the percussions and having a melody inserted on top of those percussion instruments as well? I know there are many remixes written in genres that require some drums (and some which have to do away with them due to the choice of instrumentation)... just a(nother) thought.

Essentially, I think was great and obviously achieved its goal, but... I was itching for some small melody. Something to make this sound really epic? Like chanting or something...

[halc]

this is good stuff cheif

[Escariot]

Okay... Honestly... I don't really know what to say... I, too, am a percussion guy, as I am about to start my 5th year of instructing marching bands and drumlines... I'm also very familiar with the source.

On that, I'm relatively disappointed in this ReMix. Let me remind you that chromatic percussion is also percussion, in the same boat as auxiliary percussion. It's a hard-to-use source, but I wouldn't call the source a "song" so much as "audio texture".

Doug, I love you to death, bro, but in my opinion, this isn't a song remix as much as an extrapolation on rhythmic audio texture.

Something like this would have been REALLY great as an amelodic interlude between two other CT pieces, or a percussion break in the middle of one, but not a submission on its own.

[Monobrow]

haha doug, good job doing something that was thought THE IMPOSSIBLE<E<B<E

[Abadoss]

If I end up saying nothing else, the title makes me think of Eddie Izzard. :P

You've got some guts, Doug. This is pretty cool. You should see about sending this off to a drum corp or two and make mucho moneys off the royalties... aside from SquareEnix taking the money away for copyright infringement, that'd be pretty awesome. :P

[WillRock]

Whats this? All Percussion Remix? On OCR?

YAY

Awesome stuff man, amazing remix to say the least :P

[Tensei]

I was there when this mix got named. Great stuff, Doug.

[Nekofrog]

Okay... Honestly... I don't really know what to say... I, too, am a percussion guy, as I am about to start my 5th year of instructing marching bands and drumlines... I'm also very familiar with the source.

On that, I'm relatively disappointed in this ReMix. Let me remind you that chromatic percussion is also percussion, in the same boat as auxiliary percussion. It's a hard-to-use source, but I wouldn't call the source a "song" so much as "audio texture".

Doug, I love you to death, bro, but in my opinion, this isn't a song remix as much as an extrapolation on rhythmic audio texture.

Something like this would have been REALLY great as an amelodic interlude between two other CT pieces, or a percussion break in the middle of one, but not a submission on its own.

good thing you're wrong

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Okay... Honestly... I don't really know what to say... I, too, am a percussion guy, as I am about to start my 5th year of instructing marching bands and drumlines... I'm also very familiar with the source.

On that, I'm relatively disappointed in this ReMix. Let me remind you that chromatic percussion is also percussion, in the same boat as auxiliary percussion. It's a hard-to-use source, but I wouldn't call the source a "song" so much as "audio texture".

Doug, I love you to death, bro, but in my opinion, this isn't a song remix as much as an extrapolation on rhythmic audio texture.

Something like this would have been REALLY great as an amelodic interlude between two other CT pieces, or a percussion break in the middle of one, but not a submission on its own.

I wholeheartedly dissagree. He took a source and interperetted and expanded on it, the textbook definition of a remix.

Furthermore, it took some real creativity, not to mention some serious balls, to do something like this. This is groundbreaking, Doug has done something here that no remixer on the site has ever done before, which is no small feat considering that it's the site's 1844th mix.

[zircon]

Let's not hate on Escariot, guys. Initially, when Doug first showed me this mix, I basically had the same opinion - that it wasn't a valid source. It wasn't until I conferred with the other judges and spoke with Doug more that I was finally convinced of its legitimacy. So, while we might not agree with him, it's still a valid opinion.

As for the mix - despite my initial view that the original source wasn't valid, I still loved it when I first heard it. Doug certainly earns his name. His arrangements are always good but it's a real treat to hear him perform live parts like this.

[Scaredsim]

I can only agree with Escariot on this one.

[anosou]

This is what makes me want to have babies with a man. That man is Doug.

[Vitor Machado]

This is probably how the source would have sounded if Mitsuda had more resources to work with.
And this is not a bad thing, not at all... This ReMix is really great! :razz:

Oh yeah and the title is great too lol! :mrgreen:

[artemisjaeger]

This song would not be half as good with pitched percussion or melody of any kind. Just my two cents.

[anosou]

This song would not be half as good with pitched percussion or melody of any kind. Just my two cents.

This man speaks truth.

[Karrde]

Well, as usual, it takes a really awesome mix to make me comment on anything. This is really something. I love percussion arrangements. Probably my love for traditional east asian and polynesian music, along with my taste for improvised music (think shows like stomp, or utilizing the environment for percussion sounds). This is really great. I can easily pick out the source themes from 65,000,000 BC (or w/e the original piece was called). Straight percussion is music just as much as melody without percussion is music. Besides, all the drums have their own tones.

[Dafydd]

While I didn't personally enjoy this very much, I think it's fun to see something like this pass the panel. Congratulations!

[TheKrow]

Simply amazing percussion work, it gets an A from me. Although I am a bit curious to how the name developed; it's freaking epic.

[avaris]

Awesome dude! The production is excellent, this sounds incredible with some kick ass subs.

Beyond all the hoopla I am happy I got to hear this mix on OCR. Friggin sweet dude, keep em coming!

[metaphist]

FINALLY!

I was blown away when I first heard this. I couldn't stop smiling the whole track through! I couldn't believe anyone would pull something like this off with flying colors.

I was WIP'ing this for a long time, waiting for the writeup to see how it would fly. I pratically promised myself I'd disown OCR if they didn't pass this master piece. I'm glad to see they came through ;)

Amazing on many levels, this is music in it's purest form, my friend: the drum. Definitely makes the top 10 most memorable remixes on the site.

[niu]

that's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind
great job doug! that's the kind of arrangements that i'd like to hear more often on the site

Amazing on many levels, this is music in it's purest form, my friend: the drum. Definitely makes the top 10 most memorable remixes on the site.
which are the other nine :?:

[Bleck]

drumultima saved me from a burning building once

[Antipode]

Okay, this is badass.

[bananabomberman]

Nice beats. I can definitely hear the 6.5million BC in there. And drums only is music. If rap counts as music. drums do so much more.

However, I can't say I like the title really.

[djpretzel]

I received a complaint that this mix's title, "JESUS CHRIST IT'S A DINOSAUR GET IN THE EPOCH," was profane because of its usage of Jesus Christ as an expletive. Here is my response:

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I thought we might receive an email like this when I posted the mix. I might direct your attention to the mix previously posted, which contains the lord's prayer in Swahili, as a recent and immediate example of almost the exact opposite situation.

We've posted a mix with "Niggaz" in the title that of course some folks objected to, but it remains on the site under that title, as will this mix unless the artist himself requests that it be changed. We only invoke censorship when it is imperative to do so, in situations where it is obviously a form of hate speech or designed specifically to provoke. In this instance there is no mean spirit or desire to provoke (that we could ascertain), and I think what you're offended by is not really that the name "Jesus Christ" itself is profane in any way, but rather that the usage doesn't treat this figure with the same specific form of reverence that you do.

I believe that when any religion - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name it - demands that everyone else behave and conform to its own set of expectations and beliefs, that's a form of intolerance. When riots & violence ensue because a cartoonist depicts Muhammad, to me that's sad, and while this is a far tamer complaint, it stems from the same idea: that everyone should treat religious figures of any kind with the same respect that members of those religions do, or else it's "profane". That position would leave no room for satire, parody, or even certain forms of analysis & questioning, all of which I believe are part of a healthy debate on religion and spirituality. While in this case the usage of "Jesus Christ" is not meant as satire or parody, but is essentially gratuitous, your taking offense suggests that other more crucial forms of speech would also be offensive and therefore excluded. I recommend that you consider these points, and consider that substance and meaning - neither of which in this case were designed to denigrate or offend - are more important than pomp, circumstance, and sacrosanctness.

[Tricon]

I completely agree. Thank you for using your head.

[Catharsis]

djpretzel,

First off, let me say I have been visiting this site on and off for several years, and I love the community of musicians that have expressed the creativity they possess.

As for the subject at hand...

It is a little comforting to know that I am not the only one that sent in an e-mail when I saw the title. I must adamantly disagree with your (and I guess, therefore, OC Remix's) position on this.

I'd simply like to reword what you have said to show that your definitition of intolerance in entirely subjective. For example, what if I were to say...

I believe that when any [website - ocremix.org, you name it] - demands that everyone else behave and conform to its own set of expectations and beliefs, that's a form of intolerance.In this situation, that set of expectations and beliefs is that using Jesus Christ, niggaz, etc. is OK to use flippantly and however one would like, and I don't care if it offends anyone or blasphemes anyone or anything.

So, there is "intolerance" all around, and the intolerance we're speaking of is entirely subjective and relative. There WILL BE intolerance in life. It is unavoidable AND necessary. If there were no intolerance, we would have no laws, murder would be OK with no consequence, etc.

I am all for open discussion, debate, etc. That is entirely different than satire or parody. Your lumping together "satire and parody" and "certain forms of analysis & questioning" is not helpful. They are not the same. Satire and parody care nothing for inquiry, debate, and the like. They only seek to make light of something and/or mock it.

Do I believe in Mohammed? No. Do I understand the rioting and reaction? Yes. Even if someone is a post-modernist, they still understand what "sacred" and "holy" mean to a certain degree. Everyone has something or someone that is holy (specially important and set apart) to them. It is not wise to quickly trample all over that, even if they are wrong. That is a hateful thing to do.

[Dafydd]

Hooray for DJP!

The way I see it is - DJP had a choice here. Do we or do we not force this remixer to change the title of his ReMix because it may offend some people?

And he chose not to. While I have no love for the title myself, using "jesus christ" in this way is extremely common among christians and non-christians alike. To some people, the word "devil" is extremely offensive. Should we show our respect to those people and change the title of the 5 or so remixes containing that word in their titles? Where do we draw the line? How many people should we tolerate to be offended without changing the title?

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I believe that when any [website - ocremix.org, you name it] - demands that everyone else behave and conform to its own set of expectations and beliefs, that's a form of intolerance.

OCR isn't demanding that you do anything.

The difference is location; it's unreasonable for a religious organisation to try to make us show that level of reverence here on OCR, because OCR is not a religious organization.

If we were to, say, walk into your church and fail to show proper reverence to your beliefs, you would be within your rights to take offense. But quite simply, this is OCR's turf, not the church's. Therefore OCR's rules are accepted over the church's. Any attempt to censor somebody else's actions on their own turf based on what would be offensive on your turf is, by definiton, intolerant.

I think Dave's post was absolutely correct.

[djpretzel]

Well said, Taucer.

I might also add that when you appeal to OCR to change the title, you're basically asking for censorship. When you appeal to the artist, you're asking them to reconsider based on the merits of your argument, and it becomes their personal decision. I'm not trying to pass the buck, here, but as a forum for artists I'd prefer decisions come from them rather than me or "OC ReMix" as an entity.

[Gario]

Personally, I've been waiting for this remix for quite some time due to the title (it IS provoking, so it naturally perks people's interest). The title is perfect - provocative and get's my interest before even listening to the music, thus assuring that I (and I'm sure many others) will listen to it in the end (that's the goal of a title, by the way).

That aside, I'm glad that you did this one. It brings OCR a lot of respect from me (not turning down something due to it's lack of traditional melodies/harmonies). Now, all artistic stuff aside, it IS oddly entertaining to listen to, despite the lack of melody. It sounds very African in it's use of drums. I really like African drum circles so I really enjoy this song. Nicely done!

[Elex Synn]

I'm diggin' this mix. Should stay on my play list for a while.

I nearly fell out of the char in laughter when I saw the title. Though this had more to do with the thought of Chrono and the gang first appearing in the past and seeing a towering t-rex, then offending some peoples beliefs.

[jacfalcon]

My thoughts on the title... (I havn't been on in a while, but I saw the Tweet)

I'm a Christian, a strong one. I'm actually going to a bible college here soon (for a bit o background info). I of course dislike the usage of Jesus Christ in a disrespectful and profane usage. But on the other hand, I would not in any way see it right to FORCE a remixer to change it. And I'm gonna download it and listen to it, too.

...and I'm thankful that God has blessed you with such a gift for music ;)

[Seifersythe]

I am all for open discussion, debate, etc. That is entirely different than satire or parody. Your lumping together "satire and parody" and "certain forms of analysis & questioning" is not helpful. They are not the same. Satire and parody care nothing for inquiry, debate, and the like. They only seek to make light of something and/or mock it.


Satire and debate are intrinsically linked. Some of the greatest discussions of topics have used satire as a medium, such as A Modest Proposal or many of Mark Twain and Benjamin Franklin's works.

As for the mix, it's honestly not suited for my tastes. I'm not a particular fan of percussion and rhythm as the focus of songs in general. However, that fault is my own and I can see that it's well made with a clear basis in the original track yet develop and breathing on it's own. Good work.

[Nekofrog]

djpretzel,

First off, let me say I have been visiting this site on and off for several years, and I love the community of musicians that have expressed the creativity they possess.

As for the subject at hand...

It is a little comforting to know that I am not the only one that sent in an e-mail when I saw the title. I must adamantly disagree with your (and I guess, therefore, OC Remix's) position on this.

I'd simply like to reword what you have said to show that your definitition of intolerance in entirely subjective. For example, what if I were to say...

In this situation, that set of expectations and beliefs is that using Jesus Christ, niggaz, etc. is OK to use flippantly and however one would like, and I don't care if it offends anyone or blasphemes anyone or anything.

So, there is "intolerance" all around, and the intolerance we're speaking of is entirely subjective and relative. There WILL BE intolerance in life. It is unavoidable AND necessary. If there were no intolerance, we would have no laws, murder would be OK with no consequence, etc.

I am all for open discussion, debate, etc. That is entirely different than satire or parody. Your lumping together "satire and parody" and "certain forms of analysis & questioning" is not helpful. They are not the same. Satire and parody care nothing for inquiry, debate, and the like. They only seek to make light of something and/or mock it.

Do I believe in Mohammed? No. Do I understand the rioting and reaction? Yes. Even if someone is a post-modernist, they still understand what "sacred" and "holy" mean to a certain degree. Everyone has something or someone that is holy (specially important and set apart) to them. It is not wise to quickly trample all over that, even if they are wrong. That is a hateful thing to do.

You do NOT have a right to not be offended.
You do NOT have a right to impose your beliefs on everyone else as a standard of living.
You DO have the right not to come here.
You DO have the right not to participate.

You DO have a right to complain.
We DO have a right to dismiss you for it.

[The_Mighty_KELP]

Can we PLEASE not turn this musical review area into a religious flame war? If it offends you, then leave the site and never come back. If you're that sensitive, we probably won't miss you.

I'm a Christian myself, and I don't like seeing my Lord's name taken in vain, but that won't stop me from enjoying this remix. I'm just gonna re-name the MP3 anyway. =p

Haven't actually listened to the mix yet. Knowing DrumUltimA, it's sure to be great. I thoroughly enjoyed his xylophone remix on Thieves of Fate (get that thing posted, already!!), so I'm sure this will be awesome as well! =D

[Sinewav]

You do NOT have a right to not be offended.
You do NOT have a right to impose your beliefs on everyone else as a standard of living.
You DO have the right not to come here.
You DO have the right not to participate.

You DO have a right to complain.
We DO have a right to dismiss you for it.

Neko summed it up best. I am very christian myself, but I did not take offense at the title. I don't expect people to operate within the christian ethic if they aren't christians. Also, the title parodies my favorite lolcat pic evar, so that helped too.

As for the song, I've been waiting to see someone try to do this source for a long time, and I'm glad it was Doug who finally did. It's even better than I could have imagined. Mad props to the judges for letting something so different than usual make it to the main page.

[prophetik]

But on the other hand, I would not in any way see it right to FORCE a remixer to change it.

i'm a christian, went to a christian college, grew up in a christian home, go to church, all that stuff. i cuss occasionally (as people on the pokemon project know). all that said, i agree with everything this dude said. he should post more.

in regards to the mix:

love the beat, love the variety in instrumentation you've used here. i think it's awesome! i saved it (with a slightly altered name) and will continue to listen to it as a landmark in our musical community. i just wish that this landmark had been done with a bit more 'oomph'. to a point, i agree with escariot. i'm not as hard-line as he was, but i really think that more could have been done, particularly since what's here is what someone like me (who slathers on ethnic percussion like jam on biscuits) would use as the backing track for a song, nothing more. hell, i HAVE been using percussion tracks like this for songs on the game i'm scoring currently. i realize that everything here was performed live, but with some slight alterations it'd be possible to do it all using various loops from different sets. i'm not into that as much.

there's been several mixes in the past that have taken extremely minimalist source tunes (my track for link's awakening comes to mind, source is just an arpeggio, nothing else) and added melodic material that was wholly derived from the arranger's mind rather than the composer's original music. i LOVE this idea! expanding on the original composer's intentions is the point of remixing. all that said, this is still a great piece by OCR standards of percussion performance. it ain't landmark in the world of percussion ensemble rep, obviously, as referenced by the significant lack of time changes, timbral exploration, and pitched instrumentation, but it's still a really awesome piece that's fun to listen to and is a good 'war music' kind of piece.

doug i love you

...you know that right

edit: before someone repudiates my post, listen to a few days worth of percussion ensemble music. then attempt to coach your response in words that make sense for this discussion (aka, arguing that the usage of a variety of afro-cuban hand percussion counts as timbral exploration, which i don't think it does). been performing in a group for years, and i feel that i know what the standard is for this stuff. you probably don't (unless your name is doug or you perform this rep regularly). so don't go saying OMG AWESUM U SUK before you actually know what you're saying. and no, listening to metal or something doesn't classify as knowing anything about classical percussion ensemble repertoire.

[Harmony]

Dude, haha! Doug, this is great work! I must admit that it's taken me a little while to catch some of the themes, but once I did, I really enjoyed the arrangement.

Two comments, one original, one borrowed:

1) There's a left panned bass drum after about the one-minute mark that feels out of place to me. I know there are no hard and fast rules about anything in music, but I would think that it is generally a good idea to keep the stuff with predominantly low frequencies in the center field. I could see a brief use of the bass panned left or right in some sort of a cinematic cue - it could really make the sonic field feel more dynamic to go along with the on-screen action. But in a audio only music-for-music's sake kind of thing, the constant hard panning is distracting imo. I wonder what the formally trained musicians think about this.

2) Had I not read Escariot's comment, I probably wouldn't have thought of this, but I agree that some chromatic percussion could have "kicked this up a notch." I wouldn't be looking for it in a lead melodic role, but as a supporting instrument I think it may have added some tone to the already rich texture.

As said, nice work. DrumUltimA indeed

[Catharsis]

Any attempt to censor somebody else's actions on their own turf based on what would be offensive on your turf is, by definiton, intolerant.
I completely understand that, however, that wasn't all that he said. He made an absolute claim that was beyond OCR's "turf" when he said:
I believe that when any religion - Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, you name it - demands that everyone else behave and conform to its own set of expectations and beliefs, that's a form of intolerance.
If he is representative of OCR, then OCR is reaching beyond its own turf and making universal claims. This is what I was addressing.

However, if you are saying that is the official, iron-clad position of OCR, then OK -- no point in talking about it here.


You do NOT have a right to impose your beliefs on everyone else as a standard of living.

Why is the first reaction of so many people to say this? Who was imposing anything? In fact, OCR is imposing rules on music submissions, but everyone seems OK with that. Are you going to say this to them?

Also, where are you getting all these "rights" from anyway? Where are they written down? I've never read them anywhere.

Oh, nevermind. I don't have the energy to continue all of this.

[big giant circles]

Good then, there's a place for all types of discussion. This place is designated to be for reviews and comments pertaining specifically to the mix.

Doug, again, I really enjoyed this track. It's refreshingly unique. I'm not saying I'd rock out to this song for hours or anything, but this with the Zelda Heineken are two of the most stand-out and innovative tracks OCR has seen in a while, and despite whatever anyone may say about their own musical preference or tastes, I don't believe anyone can legitimately argue that they are not.

[yoshi1001]

Actually, the first thing I thought of when I saw the title was, "Is this an OCRemix or a Fall Out Boy Song?" I'm glad to hear it won't become "OC Remix Made Us Change The Name of This Song So We Wouldn't Get Flamed". ;)

Pretty cool. There probably aren't very many source materials like this in video games, so this is a rare treat indeed.

[Alexis]

Are you guys done arguing about Jesus Christ? Is it safe to comment now? I didn't think this was PPR...

Anyways, I'm so happy to hear a percussion remix up on the site. A couple of my friends from college are percussion majors and they both really got me into percussion ensemble stuff. It's so refreshing to see something like this pop up on the site. It's different, and you did a great job with it.
Plus the title is damn funny. I'm Christian, and I have no problem with that. Come on people. Get the stick out of your asses.
(Yes, go ahead and tell me I'm going to hell. I was a Greek Orthodox Christian at a Catholic university. According to the nuns there, I'm gonna burn in hell anyways for not being Catholic.)

[a_d]

DrumUltimA is def one of my favs. About using Jesus' name (I'm a Christian), this isn't a Christian site, don't expect it to act like it. You're gonna have to risk running into stuff like this if you're gonna hang around here

[Salluz]

Offense to the fact that "Jesus Christ" was in the title of the song? :? OK. I mean, it's better than the F-Bomb. C'mon, it's not like we're "using his name in vain" or "forcing beliefs". :< Besides, what would you say if a dinosaur did show up and you had a working time machine?

...

"JESUS CHRIST IT'S A DINOSAUR GET IN THE EPOCH!"

Lemme hear the song again. Edit: heaven... Edit 2: the people who said that notes would take away from this mix were right; more stuff = less emphasis on drums. Drums can be very suffiecient by themselves when done right. Unfortunately, as of now, hip hop doesn't make a good example of this theory.

[prophetik]

...it's not like we're "using his name in vain"...

not to derail again, but that's exactly what people's issue is. using Jesus's name as an expletive.

[ZealPath]

This is one of those songs I had always had in the back of my mind, wondering if anyone would try to do a mix of it. Well someone did, and it is awesome! Personally, I've always remembered the source very well, despite the fact that it is only some primitive sounding drums, and have always considered it just as much a song as the rest of the OST, so I'm very glad (most) people were able to get over that aspect of it.

The mix to me sounds a little like what I think it would have sounded like were the game made today and they were going for a similar feel. It's similar, just with many more layers and variation, very cool, and low key enough that I can listen to it several times a day and not get bored of it, awesome stuff!

Personally I found the title hilarious, though I can see the arguments from both sides, it doesn't strike me as intended to offend at all though and would be best forgotten about if it truly does offend you.

[Nobbynob Littlun]

Songs like this are what OCRemix is all about.

[Vosur]

I'm normally an individual who likes to remain invisible by just downloading the music I enjoy, but this one has quite a bit of curiosity stirred inside of me. I normally stick to music by Rize and Sixto Sounds, but this one is definitely a percussive romp through the Prehistoric Ages.

Now, as for the details on the name... it just doesn't seem to match the "mood" given off by the music in my opinion. That would lead me to think that this one would be faster, more "drive" in it (hence the title to "get in the Epoch"), but otherwise no complaints. Sounds like something I could cut a rug on (or a saber-tooth tigerskin on the floor?). Which reminds me... I need to make Crono and crew dance in the Millenial Fair's prehistoric section.

[metalsnakejuice]

Slick sounds man, l love it.

[phillbato]

It has a decent beat. That said, I would hope that Doug would be a little more thoughtful in titling future submissions. I realize that not everybody in this world or on this site is a Christian and I can respect that. However, it seems to me that using Christ's name in this context had little purpose other than to inflame Christian visitors / users. Yes he has a legal right to title his piece whatever he likes, and I'm not saying that he should try to please everybody, but at the same time, don't go out of your way to piss people off. Furthermore I'm not asking that he or anyone else on this site believe as I do (not saying that he doesn't, but that's the impression I get from the way he used Christ's name in the title); I am simply asking that if you don't, that you be respectful of people such as myself and who / what we believe.

[KyleJCrb]

Someone is obviously not familiar with the meme (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Lion). It's a referential joke, man. I doubt DU was deliberately intending to "inflame" Christians.

[CuNaMo]

To KyleJCRB:

Your point and link are both irrelevant to what Philibato is saying. There are two reasons why:

1- The joke that you gave a link to can be insulting to Christians in itself, because it uses Christ's name inappropriately as well. So if DrumUltima is referring to a joke that is insulting to Christians it is no different than if he was telling the joke in the first place. A better example is if someone told a racist joke that they heard from someone else. Just because the teller of the joke didn't invent it, doesn't make it any less racist. So DrumUltima is still guilty of religious intolerance.

2- Even if the joke wasn't insulting to Christians DrumUltima should either understand that not everyone is in on his reference, or he should provide a link as you did to clear up confusion.

I am a Christian and I am not angry or anything because I know that neither you nor DrumUltima are purposefully trying to insult me or my beliefs, but you still need to understand that there are many people who make jokes like this with that intent, and to Christians these jokes are as insulting or insensitive as racist jokes are to non-white races. So please just be polite, that is all Philibato was saying.

[prophetik]

read the thread, man/woman.

[Bahamut]

I hate to hijack a review thread, especially for a preachy post, but some people seem to be missing the point even after reading posts responding to their complaints.

OCR isn't a site based on religion or anything like that. It is a site purely based on artistic expression to honor video game music. You're surely going to get people who use words differently than others may in a free-to-express place like this.

In this particular situation, you have complaints about the usage of 'Jesus Christ', that it isn't deferential. Not everyone is a Christian though - what do you do if one artist doesn't share your views here? People say 'Jesus Christ' all the time in colloquial usage as an expression of frustration/exasperation/etc., just like 'goddamn' - do you choose to rebuke every person each of those times?

In addition, Christians are supposed to be examples of their faith. Wouldn't it be considered petty if when faced with a non-Christian, and you choose to rebuke him/her for complaining about the usage of 'Jesus Christ'? I can't say doing so would constitute as effective evangelism, nor does it look good because you're complaining about something so minor in comparison with many other things such as someone following bad advice (i.e. they're angry at someone over something, but under someone else's advice chooses to avoid talking about it with that person and hold it against them).

Lastly, I know that Doug did not use this to offend. I'm a Christian and I find it hard to even be offended by his usage. It's not like the mix title is something like "Jesus Christ Did Not Exist". Even then, I would think the wise course would be to temper anger and foster discussion on the existence, not point fingers and say "You're wrong," or "This is offensive". Such direct phrases seldom get you anywhere, and here is no different.

[Monobrow]

Doug, way to be an asshole... You should have titled this song as:



Jesus Christ! It's a Leviathan get in Noah's Ark!

[phillbato]

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but all I requested by my post was that people be a little more thoughtful in the titling of their submissions. Yeah, I'll survive. Yeah, I've heard about a billion people use Christ's name irreverently. True, not everybody is a Christian. Not everybody is of African descent either, yet that doesn't mean it's ok to use the "n" word recklessly, or at all for that matter. Likewise, using Christ's name in such a manner is inappropriate, although I suppose it is your right to do so if that is what you choose. I suggested being considerate in titling future submissions, not trying to force him to change the title; it just needed to be stated that no, this isn't cool with me, and a number of people that share my viewpoint. No, this isn't a Christian site, but to my knowledge it isn't anti-Christian either; there are a plurality of views held by folks both who use and contribute to this site, and it would seem like a good thing to be respectful of that.

[Nekofrog]

Oh look, equating jesus with nigger.

good going

[Kizyr]

Oh look, equating jesus with nigger.
good going
On that note, I enjoyed Doug's remix about as much as this one (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01125/). Though for entirely different reasons.

Anyway, awesome mix. First there's the fact that it takes a lot of skill to pull off an all-percussion remix that still has recognizable elements of the source tune. It wins on originality alone (at least in terms of what's made it through the judging process here). The fact that it's still really damn good is a bonus, though, and shouldn't be understated. KF

[Tensei]

Why, hello there, Christian standards, what are you doing here? Oh I see, trying to get imposed on a secular website?

[phillbato]

Yes, because a request for a little courtesy is the same as imposing religious values on people (sarcasm). Come up with a response that's a little less cliche and makes sense given the context, will you.

[Liontamer]

Look, as long as it's not hate speech or patently offensive, we're gonna allow it. Didn't you see djp's response (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?p=548268&postcount=39)?

VERDICT: ALLOWED

[zircon]

He wasn't asking for djp to change it, he was asking the ReMixer to take into consideration this kind of thing and be more creative with titling. Come on, Larry, your reading is better than that. :-)

[Liontamer]

He wasn't asking for djp to change it, he was asking the ReMixer to take into consideration this kind of thing and be more creative with titling. Come on, Larry, your reading is better than that. :-)

I know that. I ALSO know the remix title is not presented with hate, the titling IS creative, and there's absolutely no point in pressuring the artist in this manner with political correctness gone overboard.

LET IT GO! :tomatoface:

[Nekofrog]

He wasn't asking for djp to change it, he was asking the ReMixer to take into consideration this kind of thing and be more creative with titling. Come on, Larry, your reading is better than that. :-)

Whilst equating using the phrase "Jesus Christ" with calling a black person a nigger.

Yeah.

Makes perfect sense.

[phillbato]

Whilst equating using the phrase "Jesus Christ" with calling a black person a nigger.

The point is that both are disrespectful (not Christ's name in and of itself, but rather its usage in this context.)

[Nekofrog]

If you think calling a black person a nigger is "disrespectful" you just need to stop right here and now.

You are probably the most ignorant person I've ever encountered on these boards.

[Tensei]

The point is that both are disrespectful (not Christ's name in and of itself, but rather its usage in this context.)

Except that everyone can relate to racial slurs being disrespectful if you have any kind of common sense. Yelling "Jesus Christ" on the other hand really doesn't do anything for me :/

[phillbato]

If you think calling a black person a nigger is "disrespectful" you just need to stop right here and now.

You are probably the most ignorant person I've ever encountered on these boards.

Obviously there's no point in discussing anything with you since you already have it in your head that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. Ironically, such a closed-minded attitude is itself characteristic of an idiot.

[Nekofrog]

Yes, there is no point in debating me, because you are incredibly short-sighted and just plain stupid to think that calling a black person a nigger is the same as saying the phrase Jesus Christ.

[Tensei]

Yup, this analogy is dumb. It would be more accurate if you compared calling a black person 'nigger' to calling a christian 'christfag' or some other derogatory slur based on their beliefs, and even then, discrimination of race is arguably worse than discrimination of religion.

[Monobrow]

What does that mean for da Jewsz?

Anyway, look, it's against your religion for you to "take the Lord's name in vain" but this is YOUR belief. You speak for yourself. You have the right to complain, yes, but guess what? The people you are complaining to have the right to listen to whether your complaint is valid enough to warrant some kind of response. In this case, djp was kind enough to offer a response to you that was at least thought-out and informative as to why he chose to not do as you requested. (which was obviously to change the name of the song)

Doug is a really nice guy, and I am completely 100% sure that he meant no offense to anyone.

As a Christian, your set of standards is different from those that are not, and there is plenty of offensive material out there for you to become offended by. So to this, I offer a little advice. Pick and choose your battles a little more carefully. The world is way to big for you to get offended by something like this... I mean yeah it's your right, but you're just going to be met with the same kind of resistance and you'll just get sad/hurt/disappointed/angry again and have another fight on an internet forum.

In this case, you played the role of a victim over this. This would indicate that the ReMixer (and the site) are abusing you and your sensibilities. But the people that know DrumUltima also know that he's not an abusive individual and he just don't roll that way. They used their noggins and they decided that this was a pretty ridiculous request. He's not abusive just because his definition of what is sensible to say is different from you. As has been said before, try to think of "why" he would use this in the title, and understand the context. I really think that's the best way to get along with anybody in general, and there are a whole lot of people out there to try this with. Less people would be alienated if both parties tried it out.

So anyway, I just think that wasn't the right way to go about this at all, I would go as far to say that it's not even the "Christian" way to go about it, and it happens far too often in the name of Christ. Maybe if your grandmother's name was Jesus Christ and she was eaten by a dinosaur, maybe you'd have more of a case, and maybe those in charge would take more pity.

What a waste of precious energy, you know?


ALSO DOUG THIS IS A GREAT SONG. REALLY IT IS A GREAT SONG YOU ROCK, GREAT JOB, WHAT A FUNNY NAME TITLE! Hey guys what do you think about this ReMix?????

[Rozovian]

It's one thing to have a differing opinion, another to request ppl respect yours, and yet another to discredit and ridicule ppl's opinion and belief. Let me try that last one, tho. Certain ppl must be really insecure about their beliefs if they post here only to shit on the ones that post here to show that they take offense at the title - especially when said ppl say nothing about the remix itself.

I like this remix. I heard it way back on the wip board, and liked it then. It's nice and refreshing to have rhythm without any melody, maybe it'll spawn a whole lot of new and creative remixes doing things different. Beer bottles, anyone?

Yeah, I said refreshing to have rhythm without melody. That brings us to some of the issues brought up in the Evolution of OCR thread. There's an abundance of kind'a thick songs that in the long run make it difficult to enjoy ocr music. This breaks free from all that, and I'm grateful for it. Not only is this enjoyable, but it also spices up the other remixes on my playlists.

I re-read the wip thread and found Joren's echo of zircon's concerns for this approach, something I didn't understand myself. Why wouldn't a distinct rhythm be eligible material to interpret? You're the right guy to do this, and you did it well. Excellent remix, my only criticism is the title.

[marcio772]

Why u're talking about Jesus?
its a SIN!

nice remix, but I dont want the name of Jesus here.

[Nekofrog]

Oh, for Christ's sake

Good thing we don't care what you want/do not want here

[Dafydd]

People are still debating this?

[marcio772]

Well, I dont want do nothing here, I want only the songs. thanks.:<

[Mtlbro]

Very talented mix . .

Can someone explain to me the . . um title ??

Edit: Oh I get it !! Funny :)))

[Martin Penwald]

I don't know the source, so I cannot comment on the arrangement, but as a stand-alone song, this piece is brilliant. Even without a melody, this song has more energy to it than many of the more elaborate remixes posted here.

About the title: I, too, was a little annoyed when I saw it on the front-page; not because it has Jesus Christ in its name (to be honest, I never thought that someone could get as worked up about it as some of the people who posted in here did), but because I am tired of the meme and don't really need 4chan jokes in my remix titles.

Anyway, great job, DU.

[BogusRed]

Haha I have to say this is a really interesting remix. I love it. I love the title and I love the music. DrumUltimA really captured the essence of the original tune. Thank you judges for allowing DrumUltimA to stretch the limits of OCR's library.

[DragonAvenger]

This track is just amazing. Doug, you rock. What's really great is that throughout the mix you can still feel the original source. I know I would be very easily tempted to go off onto something not related, but Doug keeps the track firmly within the source and gives it some awesome treatment.

Wonderful job.

Also, I couldn't wait for this to be posted because of how hilarious the title is.

[progressive]

Brilliant.

[Tmansdc]

Pretty good song. Love what you did with the already limited source.


Plus, this has got to have one of the best titles on a remix ever (not trying to start favorites, I am not! :) )

[OA]

Pretty good stuff- great rhythms and a very unique take on the source. I didn't think it could be done, but here it is. Nice work. :-)

[Emunator]

Way to stun us all, Doug! Every one of your remixes feels monumental in one way or another, but in terms of the legacy left on the site I think this might be his most important one yet.

The rhythms are great especially in light of how it's been expanded from the source tune. I don't have any technical feedback to bestow here but regardless, it's a brilliant endeavor and one that I'm really glad to have hit the front page!

Also, JESUS CHRIST!? I AM OFFEND! :-x

[SiriusBeatz]

This was actually one of my favorite tunes out of Chrono Trigger. On the one hand, I'm pretty glad to see it arranged, but on the other hand, after this, I really doubt anyone could pull off a better take :<

[tweek]

A drumming only remix? Go figure it came from Doug :)! Right out of the gate, the sounds are great. Whether they are sampled, live, or both, they sound wonderful. The arrangement is really where this bad boy is at. The attention to detail in this is immaculate. Being a drummer myself, these kinds of piece enthrall me. Doug uses single hand drums as a solo lead instrument with great success. Very reminiscent of a Cuban drum circle. I love it. He brings in great dynamic shifts here and there to give this plenty of variety. The syncopation is awesome, and Doug makes good use of it during the "solo" sections or he'll have multiple drums do it to accent an area of the track. Bottom line, masterfully done by Doug.

[melody]

rhythm of earth, wind, and sky is a song, and a song by nature can be remixed, which is what we have here, right?..

[Nekofrog]

what the hell is with this title
i am highly offended

ocr is anti christian
BOYCOTT OCR

[Gario]

oh comon, dont be antiantichristain thats just discriminatory