Are we all the Pirate Bay? Hey Zircon come remix this song!!

[Deathtank]

I`d like to see Zircon remix this song!
http://thepiratebay.org/special/2009mmtpb.php
:lol:

[nrich]

A Zircon edit would be fantastic.

[Sinewav]

A Zircon edit would be fantastic.

That would be absolutely amazing. Just thinking of the irony of that makes me smile.

[Asaudan]

I've been wondering for ages why more artists haven't tried hopping on the let's be cool and progressive by speaking for piracy -bandwagon, because it's not like it's a new idea.

[SoulinEther]

This song misses the point so badly :(

There wouldn't really be any irony to zircon remixing this song. In fact if he so desired he could splice the lyrics to fit his own opinions.. lol.

Ugh. Controversy may ensue.

[Deathtank]

This song misses the point so badly :(

There wouldn't really be any irony to zircon remixing this song. In fact if he so desired he could splice the lyrics to fit his own opinions.. lol.

Ugh. Controversy may ensue.

well, we`ll have to wait and see. :roll:
oh and btw no editing is necessary, thanks.

[Meteo Xavier]

This topic seems awfully rude.

[Asaudan]

If he does do it I hope his lyrics aren't as cheesy and pandering as Montt's, although why he'd want to further this very obvious publicity stunt with controversy is beyond me to begin with.

[Deathtank]

Its just a little joke guys, I know Zircon hates TPB, and besides anyone who has skills ccan remix this song, iit's open to anyone who will to do so. :wink:

[Meteo Xavier]

I think all art of any kind should be free, public domain and all copyrights null and void. This will not only satisfy us but help society at large.

Here's how this works:

With art and music having no monetary value and being completely hobbyist, not to mention the real artists of the world getting pissed that they can no longer collect on their "masterpieces", the quality of art the world over goes down considerably. Art has less impact on the world and the world puts its focus on other things needing considerable interest: Volunteer work, scientific research, masonry, education, preservation of history.

With art no longer an egotistical springboard for pretentious misfits or a damn good way to get rich quick, children will focus that energy into other avenues where they can make names for themselves. "Hey! I want to discover the missing elements!" "Hey! I want to save the Congo from civil war!" "Hey, I want to synthesize a cancer vaccine from water and manure!" "Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"

Now that our genuine interests are practical skills again, humanity values education again and humanity finally evolves into Man 3.0 - our destiny is fulfilled and the skies are literally the limits again.

[zircon]

Uh... was that a joke? I couldn't tell.

[Asaudan]

You really think taking away people's livelihoods will make them move to Africa and push what's left of their bread down people's throats there? I believe in you and am willing to gamble on this.

[Petara]

Wow... that is freakin ultra-lame. :roll:

[Deathtank]

I think all art of any kind should be free, public domain and all copyrights null and void. This will not only satisfy us but help society at large.

Here's how this works:

With art and music having no monetary value and being completely hobbyist, not to mention the real artists of the world getting pissed that they can no longer collect on their "masterpieces", the quality of art the world over goes down considerably. Art has less impact on the world and the world puts its focus on other things needing considerable interest: Volunteer work, scientific research, masonry, education, preservation of history.

With art no longer an egotistical springboard for pretentious misfits or a damn good way to get rich quick, children will focus that energy into other avenues where they can make names for themselves. "Hey! I want to discover the missing elements!" "Hey! I want to save the Congo from civil war!" "Hey, I want to synthesize a cancer vaccine from water and manure!" "Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"

Now that our genuine interests are practical skills again, humanity values education again and humanity finally evolves into Man 3.0 - our destiny is fulfilled and the skies are literally the limits again.

That was beautiful but sounds like an utopia to me. :sad:

[zircon]

The point of copyrights is to allow people to monetize their work and create better work as a result. Take all that away and you're basically saying you don't ever want there to be any professional games, music, movies, or books ever again. By your logic, why not just ban entertainment entirely? It doesn't help society. It's pointless by definition. It's just for fun.

[Meteo Xavier]

"Hey, I want to synthesize a cancer vaccine from water and manure!" "Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"


Man 3.0 - our destiny is fulfilled and the skies are literally the limits again.


Should I draw you guys a fucking map too?

[Hy Bound]

I think all art of any kind should be free, public domain and all copyrights null and void. This will not only satisfy us but help society at large.

Here's how this works:

With art and music having no monetary value and being completely hobbyist, not to mention the real artists of the world getting pissed that they can no longer collect on their "masterpieces", the quality of art the world over goes down considerably. Art has less impact on the world and the world puts its focus on other things needing considerable interest: Volunteer work, scientific research, masonry, education, preservation of history.

With art no longer an egotistical springboard for pretentious misfits or a damn good way to get rich quick, children will focus that energy into other avenues where they can make names for themselves. "Hey! I want to discover the missing elements!" "Hey! I want to save the Congo from civil war!" "Hey, I want to synthesize a cancer vaccine from water and manure!" "Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"

Now that our genuine interests are practical skills again, humanity values education again and humanity finally evolves into Man 3.0 - our destiny is fulfilled and the skies are literally the limits again.

I'm sorry, but thats asinine. There are so many logic gaps there...

Human nature is people wanting to show everyone else they are better at something than everyone else... So the "egotistical springboard" will still be there.

The major hole in your idea, though, is that it takes money to make all art, whether its painting (paints, brushes, stuff to paint on) music (thousands of dollars to record/produce music along with buying instruments and printing CDs or buying bandwidth), or movies (i wont even go into how flippin' expensive that shit is to make). Its this idealism that starts the shitstorm-inducing utopia-based governments that destroy individuality which is the sole purpose for art.

Now as far as the pirate bay thing goes... Piracy is always going to be there because thievery is always going to be there. The only reason people want to draw a line between piracy and stealing is because they want to feel better about doing it. I'm not going to lie, I have used pirated copies of software before and am using two at the moment. However, I have always and will always either delete the programs when I'm done trying them out or buy the actual program as soon as possible.

However, I only expect 1% of the people who use the pirate bay to use it responsibly. Therefore I am totally fine with having to forgo a slight amount of ease in buying programs in order for the prices for the things I do buy to go down and the companies for which I enjoy the products they ship to get the monetary credit they deserve.

Thats my 2 cents anyway. Oh, and pirating music is wrong too.

[Native Jovian]

I can't tell if he's being serious or trolling.

But it's hilarious either way.

[Meteo Xavier]

Well if there are a lot of logic gaps, and its hilarious, the only logical conclusion is I'm ________________________.

C'mon, you're big boys, you can figure this out.

It starts with a j...

[Asaudan]

Should I draw you guys a fucking map too?

move to Africa and push what's left of their bread down people's throats

Pushing is the answer. You must go down the stairs.

[Meteo Xavier]

I'm half tempted to too.

[Hy Bound]

I guess im not very good at being sarcastic... I should prolly stop...

Anyhoo...

[HoboKa]

I think all art of any kind should be free, public domain and all copyrights null and void. This will not only satisfy us but help society at large.

Here's how this works:

With art and music having no monetary value and being completely hobbyist, not to mention the real artists of the world getting pissed that they can no longer collect on their "masterpieces", the quality of art the world over goes down considerably. Art has less impact on the world and the world puts its focus on other things needing considerable interest: Volunteer work, scientific research, masonry, education, preservation of history.

With art no longer an egotistical springboard for pretentious misfits or a damn good way to get rich quick, children will focus that energy into other avenues where they can make names for themselves. "Hey! I want to discover the missing elements!" "Hey! I want to save the Congo from civil war!" "Hey, I want to synthesize a cancer vaccine from water and manure!" "Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"

Now that our genuine interests are practical skills again, humanity values education again and humanity finally evolves into Man 3.0 - our destiny is fulfilled and the skies are literally the limits again.

Such a Republican view. For shame. Not everyone has a practical mind you know - and you're posting this on a video game remixing site. Do you realize how asinine you sound? Moreover, if you think that making profit off of art is what's holding us back as a whole, then you're one sad, misguided individual. For countries, especially America, invest in foolish endeavors such as war and reality T.V. shows, when they ought to be spending that said money in infrastructure, education and health care.
Finally, egotistical, pretentious misfits will exist until the end of time, no matter the medium from which they thrive in, whether it be art or "practical" professions. You are no such exception.

[HoboKa]

The point of copyrights is to allow people to monetize their work and create better work as a result. Take all that away and you're basically saying you don't ever want there to be any professional games, music, movies, or books ever again. By your logic, why not just ban entertainment entirely? It doesn't help society. It's pointless by definition. It's just for fun.

Yes quite...would you want a world where anyone can jack people's intellectual property for their own gain? I don't think so. It's good to know that not everyone on this site is eccentric and narrow minded. :<

[XZero]

Such a Republican view. For shame. Not everyone has a practical mind you know - and you're posting this on a video game remixing site. Do you realize how asinine you sound? Moreover, if you think that making profit off of art is what's holding us back as a whole, then you're one sad, misguided individual. For countries, especially America, invest in foolish endeavors such as war and reality T.V. shows, when they ought to be spending that said money in infrastructure, education and health care.
Finally, egotistical, pretentious misfits will exist until the end of time, no matter the medium from which they thrive in, whether it be art or "practical" professions. You are no such exception.

I'm going to agree with Meteo Xavier on this one. If I had musical talent, I think I'd be happier with a song posted on a site like this where I knew it was being enjoyed by as many people as possible than I would selling it. Musical artists sell CDs and concert tickets; concrete things. Music itself is not concrete. That's why I personally think there is a big distinction between walking into a Wal-Mart and stealing a CD (which is criminal and morally wrong) and downloading a song to see if you want to go and buy the CD (which may be criminal to an extent, but is certainly not morally wrong).

I don't like the idea of copyrights personally (and I'm in law school, with quite a bit of IP law knowledge). No, people should not copy your work and claim it as their own. But you know what? A real artist would rather have his or her work, in whatever form it comes, enjoyed by millions than sold to thousands.

Of course, that's my opinion, and people are free to disagree.

[SoulinEther]

I still think we should give peace a chance.

Mr. Xavier, your entire argument is DEAD WRONG because..

"Hey, I want to feed the homeless and shelter the hungry!"
you messed this one up big time.

[Meteo Xavier]

Well, I really do think our society gives art way too much credit in our lives, as part of a much larger thesis statement of disgust I have based on years of exposition in the art communities, but I'm really not a "republican", as if that were a bad thing.


you messed this one up big time.

That was actually real. My mom was doing a Hungry Hearts deal at our church and made them up for the banner. I think its the funniest thing she's ever done unintentionally.

[SoulinEther]

Very well, carry on.

[Sinewav]

Such a Republican view.

Uhhhh, what does that have to do with Republicans?

BTW, I am not a republican, and I don't particularly care for a lot of their views myself... I just don't see how this is a partisan issue at all.

[prophetik]

meteo, isn't that the basics of what makes the world dystopic instead of etopic? (dunno if etopic is a word, but it fits what i'm asking so i'll run with it).

[Dyne]

Well, by now, I think we're agreed that zircon isn't going to remix that song. Also, this entire thread was just a vacuum into which you were attempting to suck people to turn it into a pseudo-political debate. On top of that, you're attempting to argue a point that we're all very, very familiar with, some more than others, and one that you're sure to lose given the nature of this particular forum.

I would say not only are you outnumbered... But grossly mistaken. If all this was supposed to be was a request for someone to remix something, state that, and keep it there. I don't know why we're still having these types of discussions, I figured they'd be done to death by now.

Maybe it's just me. Ha ha ha.

Or maybe it's the fact that I'm super tired, and either reading too much into this, or not enough. Either way, I'm going to leave this one alone from here on out.

[Deathtank]

ok, 2 things:

1) Maybe what this artist wrote in TPB has something to think about for all you TPB haters: An artist has got to make a living just like everybody else, there's no doubt about it. And these are tough times, believe me I know. The thing is though, if I were to go back in time, 10 years or so, and tell the 15-year-old version of myself that over a night, 60 000 people had heard one of my songs, the first question I'd throw back at myself wouldn't be "how much money did I make?".
Don't get me wrong, I love money and I want to make a lot of it. Bathe in it just like Uncle Scrooge. But money isn't the main reason why I write songs. First and foremost I want people to hear them.
Times are so strange at the moment and a lot of people are angry and upset. Still, for each day that goes by I get more and more convinced that we shouldn't try to fight the future, we should embrace it. Try to see opportunities instead of catastrophys.

I've written a song. I call it "We're All The Pirate Bay". It's free and nobody will ever have to pay for it, though if you incist you are welcome to make a donation!

Take care, Monty

2) Maybe AnotherSoundscape want to take on the job? :?

[Meteo Xavier]

meteo, isn't that the basics of what makes the world dystopic instead of etopic? (dunno if etopic is a word, but it fits what i'm asking so i'll run with it).


Its all about balance. I'm not seriously saying we should do without art, but I do think it's in dire need of perspective, from those who start out to those who have been doing it for a while, from those who think they know shit to those who definitely don't (often the same people), from the costs and risks associated with getting into the art world to those who actually win what has gotten to be little more than a glorified lottery ticket.

Its a really huge digression I have and I'm going to skip all that, but I guess I'm just really sick of people treating Art like it is or is greater than Life itself. Art's great, but at the end of the day, its just a bit of fun is all. There is more to life than just fun. Art's not going to save you if you're trapped in a ravine. Art's not going to fix the car and, based on my experience, won't help you pay your debts because you spent way, way too much on it in the first place.

I just think its off-balance is all.

[SoulinEther]

Its all about balance. I'm not seriously saying we should do without art, but I do think it's in dire need of perspective, from those who start out to those who have been doing it for a while, from those who think they know shit to those who definitely don't (often the same people), from the costs and risks associated with getting into the art world to those who actually win what has gotten to be little more than a glorified lottery ticket.

Its a really huge digression I have and I'm going to skip all that, but I guess I'm just really sick of people treating Art like it is or is greater than Life itself. Art's great, but at the end of the day, its just a bit of fun is all. There is more to life than just fun. Art's not going to save you if you're trapped in a ravine. Art's not going to fix the car and, based on my experience, won't help you pay your debts because you spent way, way too much on it in the first place.

I just think its off-balance is all.This is a moderate viewpoint with which I can agree.