OC ReMix StarCraft Tournament! Round 2 Begins! See Page 18

[Garian]

Ok guys! I was saying the other day on IRC that we should have a small-potatoes SC tournament, and even offered to donate 20 dollars for a prize (either cash or whatever you guys would deem appropriate)! I was hearing that there is already some interest (most notably Nekofrog, Tensei-san, and Battousai) and wanted to see if there were other folks who'd want to get in on something like this. I was figuring that we could even record the replays with commentary if people were comfortable having other folks watch their games... even though I doubt many of us here are really "good enough" to warrant actually having a VOD, it'd be nice to see our own flaws and compare strats.

What do you guys think? You can message me on IRC or Steam (add me: https://steamcommunity.com/id/garianse) but please not here because I hardly ever check my messages or email.

Update May 22:
It seems most people want to have two tourneys, a 1v1 series and a 2v2 series pairing people by their skill. Each round of the tournament will be decided by a best of 3 matches. I'm thinking that we should maybe aim for a mid-to-late June date to begin playing, but I don't want that to be set in stone until we've got some more of the details hammered out. If you're wanting to "sign up," go ahead and make a post with the race you play and the name you'll be playing under. Check this post for future updates!

Update May 25:
For clarity's sake, there will be no prizes. Most folks had no opinion and didn't post about them, and the few who reply about prizes were generally against having them. Signups have been opened up as per the last update and I'll probably close that off some time in the next week at the latest.

Update May 30:
Signups will close sunday night at 12AM Eastern (that means MONDAY MORNING at 0000), and I'll get a randomly generated tournament bracket and map order on Wednesday. After that, you'll have one week to submit your replays (PLEASE Date and timestamp them). Since it will be a best-of-3, I expect 4 or 6 replays for each match-up, more if there are observers. The reason I want replays from both players is simply just to ensure there is no goofiness going on... I trust you guys are all mature enough to not game the system. Try not to have any hurt feelings if you're paired up with one of our better players and get stomped, it's just for fun and there's a lot that can be learned!

Update May 31st:
SIGNUPS ARE CLOSED! No more participants for the first tournament! Format is Single Elimination, Best of 3. Preferred multiplayer option is Battle.net, but VPN (like Hamachi) and PVPGN is allowed if BNet is not an option-- PROVIDED that both parties agree. As stated yesterday in of my posts, BNet users will be given preference if they are unable to accommodate playing on an alternative connection. The 3 maps for round 1 will be decided by coin toss, one each of a 2 player, 3 player, and 4 player map with the unused maps being used in round 2.

If things kinda seem like they're kinda weird, keep in mind that this is my first time organizing any form of competitive play so I'm just trying to see what works and what doesn't, given our skill level.

IMPORTANT:
If you signed up but didn't specify your race (or random), you still have time to declare. I'll have a complete list of participants tomorrow and if there is an odd number, will join in myself. There's still plenty of time to practice so don't worry about being rusty!

ALSO! OCRSC2 will be Team Melee, partnering up experienced and inexperienced players... We can work out the partnering details and more as we go through OCRSC1.

Thanks guys! It's definitely a blast getting the ball rolling :)

Update June 1:
For the replay naming format, you should use an abbreviated form of your name (I would use Gar for myself), the level of the tournament (use some convention like "Ro 1" or "Set1"), and finally "Game" and the game number. When you send me your replays to me, they should appear similar to "Gar Ro1 Game1.rep" "Gar Ro1 Game2.rep" and "Gar Ro1 Game3.rep."

Update June 3:
The match-ups and groupings are in my last post, on page 10!

Update June 4:
I should probably give you guys my email, in case you need to email me your replays. garian[at]thasauce[dot]net.

Update June 15:
Nekofrog and Eddie have gotten their first VOD up on youtube, Game 1 between Nekofrog and SynthesizedStampede! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPs5XLbKTPI ... Also, Eddie drew up a nice bracket for us which is also on page 16. If someone is capable of drawing up a banner for the first OCR SC Tourney, that'd be tops too! Even though we're all amateurs, it's really exciting to play such a fantastic game, and we should strive to be as professional as possible so that maybe it helps shape the opinion about playing sc competetively in a more positive fashion.

[linkspast]

I would like to play. Provided I have the time and can find my disc.. Its been a long time since I have played though..

[Bleck]

I would do this even though I am the worst the very worst at starcraft

also I do not actually own this game so I probably can't anyways???

[Dyne]

Alright, I'll jump in on this.

[Nekofrog]

I'm in

and don't be offended but

battousai is my only challenge in the lineup

[Garian]

it's great to see that some folks are interested! We should do some planning though, i'd hate to just say 'tournament on X-X-XX signups by Y-Y-YY' and have it go at that. Is there anyone around who has had experience setting up tourneys in the past? Which do you guys think would be better, round-robin or single/double elimination? I was figuring the former might be a bit more fair because we don't really know anyone's skill levels, but the latter would be more efficient.

Also what are people's thoughts on a prize? I'm just about to start up tf2 for the night... I won't probably respond until tomorrow. So if you guys could just toss up some ideas and try to bash them out, that'd be great.

[Nekofrog]

Best of 3. Random matchups.

[friendlyHunter]

I would do this even though I am the worst the very worst at starcraft
Haha I believe I am the worst the very worst at starcraft! Are you asking for a CHALLEEEEEENGE!?!?

Best of 3 sounds like a good idea. I think double elimination or round robin would be good.

[Abadoss]

I'm a crap player, but I can give you some of the maps I made when I was more involved in the SC community...

[Tensei]

I'll play, obviously!

I'd say we should mostly play on the iccup maps, if you're familiar with those, since they allow for other people to watch the match.

[Garian]

We'll probably play on some of the maps that they use in some of the professional leagues, they're quite common ground for folks who follow the game and are a lot more fairly balanced than many of the original Blizzard maps. Does anyone know what maps the GOMTV Averatec/Intel classic is using this season?

As far as the matchups go, yeah, best of 3 for sure. Random matchups are probably going to be the most fair way to go, because I'm certain that the skill levels are pretty broad. Also judging from the number of folks that do enjoy the game, it'd be pretty time consuming to do a whole round robin with 2-3 matches each.

Thanks for the feedback so far!

[Native Jovian]

I'm down for it, but much depends on what exactly we'd be working with. The biggest question on my mind is whether or not we'd be using money maps. I loathe money maps with a raging murderous passion -- it takes all the strategy right out of the game.

I generally suck 1v1 anyway, I'm much more used to working on a team. We should do team matches too! 2v2s or 3v3s would be awesome.

[Garian]

There will be no money maps, I was hoping that that would be clear. Maps I am thinking of would be like Hannibal (the ubuntu map) and Andromeda (one of the maps used in the Averatec/Intel Classic on GomTv). I haven't been watching the Classic season 3 so I don't know all of the maps they've used this time around, but generally the maps that are designed for pro-league starcraft tend to be the most balanced. One of the largest hurdles in balancing maps has been the lack of upwards facing slopes from higher/lower ground, though some of the mapmaking utilities have been able to manage custom doodads that work around the issue. Of course, some maps do favor one race over the others but that's inevitable due to the nature of the SC metagame.

[Lord Obsidious]

Hmmmmm? This has me piquet. Although I'm generally no where near an expert or moderate player, I still do enjoy the game a fair bit; and I have watched a lot of replays with experts in them (A la Mondragon). I've played more 'Use map settings' games, but I think the replays, along with with whatever regular game experiance I did have, has given me a few pointers.

So yeah, assuming there isn't a bit problem with time constraints, consider me in. Might get killed in the first round, but who knows.

[Tensei]

Definitely use Python as a map. iirc that map gets used really often on Gomtv.

[Nekofrog]

I wouldn't be opposed to two tournaments; a 1v1 series and a 2v2 series. Pair the more experienced players with the inexperienced (ie don't put battousai and myself on a team).

[Lord Obsidious]

I agree with Neko. I'd be nice to see what's like to be in teams, and give the inexperienced players a chance to have some fun, as the more experienced ones will be able to back them up.

On another note, will there be a chance to do warm-up matches and such? Or should we just start off cold?

Oh yeah, and it's a little difficult to decide on my current playing level; yes, I'm being a bit picky if you read the last post. Right now, I'm going to judge myself as an inexperianced - like, say, I haven't played in a long time and haven't played moderately on normal games. I think it depends on what we consider to be inexperienced and experianced.

[JadeAuto]

Hell yes. I'd love to get in on this. If only we can run it over hamachi, I seem to have an unresolved latency problem on battle.net - I can connect, but my ping is retarded for some reason.

Dosen't affect any other game I have. Just starcraft. I'm in anyways :D

[ProjectJusticeX]

I'd totally be down for this.

[Red Shadow]

if this actually happens i really want to see an archive somewhere down the road with all of the maps used and replays of all the matches

[HalcyonSpirit]

if this actually happens i really want to see an archive somewhere down the road with all of the maps used and replays of all the matches

Agreed. Even if I don't play, I'd love to watch the matches.

Speaking of which, I'd love to jump in on this. However, that depends on whether my new computer (thanks prophet!) will be more cooperative in running the game... my laptop won't run it properly at all. We'll see when I get the computer.

[SynthesizedStampede]

Ooh, sounds like a good idea. But fear not, despite everyone's claims, I still feel I am possibly one of the worst Starcraft players to date. The last time I actually went online and played my record was like 2-17 :-(.

[Elesarana]

I'd totally play if I could find my god damn cd key. I'm a god at sc

[vega12]

I also would be interested in this. I'll follow this thread and wait until signups start.

[zyko]

needs moar zyko

YEScond.

[Garian]

Great guys, there's definitely enough interest. Does anyone have any experience actually managing a tournament, or know of any decent utilities for doing so? I could probably whip something up very quick/dirty in c++ but I haven't practiced any of that stuff since 2007 :V

Also no one has really said anything about prizes! I'm actually kinda surprised, but it's nice to know that you guys are more interested in the game. So I guess we'll see on that for now.

edit: I was going to say this in the update but this post iwll probably get more reads... There has been some mention of lost CD keys-- Should we set up our own PVPGN server for playing the tournament?

[Nekofrog]

Does there have to be a prize?

[Garian]

Not at all, I figured people'd be enticed to play if there was one!

[Nekofrog]

I don't want to take anyone else's hard earned money :\

Maybe if it was an officially sponsored OCR tournament and it involved some kind of prize that didn't come out of the pockets of someon else... though it still would in a way.

[Lord Obsidious]

I relatively don't care much about winning any prizes, to be honest. I'm just here for the fun and game.

On another note, when are we having this. I'm currently taking an intensive course, so I may or may not be too busy to play. It all depends on how much work I'll have to do and all. Weekends would generally be good with me (Although my course end some time at the beginning of June).

[Gario]

lol, I'll join. The D2 patch is taking way too long for my tastes, so this would be a nice diversion until then :P

If I do this, I totally claim a match-up with Garian. Gario vs Garian... admit it, it would be cool, in a strange sort of way. I agree with Nekofrog, though - prizes are probably not necessary for this. I'll play either way :P.

I haven't played this game in ages, though - I wasn't terrible at it, but you know how things are - you play against a Korean that's training for the world tournament and it crushes you hopes at ever being any good at it and you give up (he raped me with his insane terran metal madness - I lost my starcraft virginity that day :puppyeyes:)

I think I've finally gotten over it, though - just tell us the match-ups and times. I'll go practice for it before so I won't be a complete failure by the time it starts :tomatoface:.

By the way, are the maps you all are suggesting somewhere on the internet? I haven't played bnet in ages so I don't know what new maps have been floating around.

[friendlyHunter]

Ooh boy... I tried some SC games yesterday on Bnet and got totally destroyed most of the time. WHY do people host "1on1 noob only" games just so they can do some cheap-ass build order and reaver-dorp the poor newb who didn't have a chance in the first place?? That kind of assery is like paying big bucks for higher levels/items in MMORPGs, and then running around killing low-level newbies for no reason... except that it's wasting my time.

The only good game I had was a "1on1 noob only" game that I hosted, and a newbie ACTUALLY joined, but it was borderling "too easy" by the end of the game. Well, and there was a 3on3 that was good until an ally left, and a barrage of archons and high templars completely ripped me apart...


With that said, I'm signing up for the tournament ^_^
Is it possible to choose my race before each match? ...because I really don't know what race I'm good with. Can I choose "random" for every match?

[Garian]

Yay for not reading the "please post your race and the name you'll be playing under," :P but I haven't started compiling a list of players yet. Like I said in the updated OP I'm aiming for a mid-to-late June for the first tourney, which will be the 1v1. From the looks of things, I'll just track down a little programming project from my one year of college and build a bit of a tournament manager from that. Or at least use the C++ STL's random number generation system to create the initial brackets and track it by hand.

As far as the maps go, I'm thinking we'll go with some typical pro-league maps. Nekofrog, Tensei, and Battousai have all been faithfully watching the Averatec-Intel Classic on GOMtv and could probably make some suggestions for each of the rounds. The maps I've already mentioned (Hannibal, Andromeda, and Python) can be obtained from teamliquid.net (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/). Some of the other maps from that list that I've played on are Longinus, Baekmagoji, Katrina SE, and Hwarangdo, and they're mostly pretty great maps and are designed for the balanced nature of professional/competetive SC gameplay.

--Ah, it seems that friendlyHunter posted while i was writing this. With regard to choosing random: if that's what you want to play, that's fine by me! We'll still track what race you played in the replays and in the wins/losses. Also if you're thinking you're really a newbie, you should hop on #ocremix irc and chat with nekofrog and battousai, they are very good players and could give you a lot of pointers and might be willing to play with you. Also you should catch some VODs (videos on demand) to see some techniques that the pros use, a lot of them are actually quite easy to pick up and use even in casual play. Another thing you might want to try is learning all of the hotkeys, and press F1 some time during play for the in-game help menu. It has a LOT of useful tips that you might not know about!

[Solaris1110]

Hey guys, i'm new here, and just noticed this thread. There is a program called Tio Tournament organizer that can very effectively run tournaments like this.

Here's the link: http://allisbrawl.com/tio/ if you have any questions about the program, just ask me.

also I might be interested in this tourny =)


-All the best, Solaris1110

[Tensei]

Right, signing up: Tensei, Terran.

[Nekofrog]

Nekofrog, MY LIFE FOR AIUR.

[Lord Obsidious]

Well, here I go: Lord Obsidious: FOR THE SWARM!!

(Hehe, hey look, each race has been filled up by a player XD)

[Tensei]

MY LIFE FOR AIUR.

MY WIFE FOR HIRE lol

[WindStrike]

Wind_Strike - I'M ABOUT TO DROP THE HAMMER... IN THE FACE OF INDISCRIMINATE JUSTICE! (<== Siege Tank... goin' Terran)

I'm hoping you're putting these tourneys on weekends, right?

[Gario]

Sorry, the name - Gario.

Race - Random (seriously, it's nice not letting the other player know what you are, and that's the only way of doing it :twisted:)

...and thanks for the maps :)

[Tensei]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd5tK9svnIQ&fmt=18 I HAVE to post this here. Watch it.

[Garian]

Sorry, the name - Gario.

Race - Random (seriously, it's nice not letting the other player know what you are, and that's the only way of doing it :twisted:)

...and thanks for the maps :)

haha, well, if you're not sure what race you're going to get until you actually get into the game you're probably going to have to come up with your build order on the fly! that's the way I usually played when it was just playing around with a bunch of guys. I'm not sure if I'm going to join in or not yet, I might just watch this time around :S

tensei: holy crap. double proxy barracks. and then that dragoon WOULD. NOT. DIE. that terran had no chance against the upgraded dragoon range. in pro-league it always comes down to like one or two units and a crucial upgrade, thanks for posting.

[Lord Obsidious]

*Long whistle*

Wow, what a microfest. That was a brilliant idea to put up a shield battery; and then I LAUGHED when I realized the Goon had upgraded range and the marines didn't :P. Awesome find Tensei. Really shows that even outnumbered one to ten, you can still do a lot of damage with the right moves.

Also, it seems a few of the maps mentioned I've seen before; primarily in the All Star Tournament. Too bad we probably won't have commentary to add to any replays, "Tasteless." (Not that I expect there to be any commentary to begin with).

[Nekofrog]

Some of our more knowledgable players (myself, battousai) could probably commentary on skype and record it during matches.

That'd actually be kind of fun.

[Wild Armor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd5tK9svnIQ&fmt=18 I HAVE to post this here. Watch it.

Go Goon go! This is how intense the commentating will be, right? There has to be ridiculous amount of screaming.

I'll sign up, I'll just post my information in my next post... need to reboot the game and chose what name I'll go under. Oh, skill level is around average, so if we do pairings, just throw me wherever..

[JadeAuto]

JadeAuto: JadeAuto, Lurkin around the Zerg swarm.

Going to try and fix my lag issue before the tourney, would love to play! :)

[Garian]

Nekofrog pretty much hit it on the nail, he and Battousai are pretty knowledgeable about the game and would be perfect for commentating. I was figuring we could either use Observer versions of the maps and have live commentating recorded from a skype session, or we could take the replays and have commentating done "after the fact."

Wild Armor: you should come on IRC in the late-night/early morning tonight (2AM Pacific) and watch the Averatec-Intel Classic (http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/live/) with us and see just how insane it really is with english commentary as well!

Also, just in case anyone's wondering: One of the reasons I want to wait until mid-June is to give some of the less experienced players some time with the maps and to get some practice time. There are pretty good chances that people will be matched with someone who's been playing for a while and knows plenty of tricks and builds, I'd hate for someone to get utterly stomped without at least half-expecting it from some of the competition. Also if anyone wants to get some practicing in, hop on the IRC channel and speak up, sometimes someone will be around who'll be willing.

jadeauto: welcome aboard! what kind of lag problem? Apparently a lot of routers do some sort of NAT filtering which royally fucks up starcraft (and starcraft alone it seems). hope you get it fixed! :S

[Little_Bill]

I would love to play but 1) I lost my starcraft cdkeys and 2) I'm a warcraft player by all means. Although, if I had a pair of keys I would definitely play all the time haha.

[Lord Obsidious]

I can actually get onto the IRC channel via mIRC, although I'm a little peeved that you have to pay for a more permanent version (I'm using the trial version). I'm a teensie bit shy to ask out to either Tensei or anyone else in the channel that might have a practice match with me; as it'll feel awkward to ask it in a channel where people might be discussing music.

I assume I have the right channel, though. enterthegame, correct?

Also, RL interruptions are a slight concern for me, but I'm pretty sure I patch that down.

[JadeAuto]

jadeauto: welcome aboard! what kind of lag problem? Apparently a lot of routers do some sort of NAT filtering which royally fucks up starcraft (and starcraft alone it seems). hope you get it fixed! :S

I'm almost positive it's a router issue, though it's weird. I have the proper ports for SC forwarded, and I've gone sofar as to turn my main computer into the DMZ zone with all firewalls off... yet I still get the worst lag ever as soon as I hop on B.Net.

I've googled to try and solve the problem, but to no avail currently.

Running a Linksys WRT54GS2 at the moment.

WC3 and WoW work just fine, as do L4D, TF2, and any steam product I have. It's frustrating.

[Garian]

Lord Obsidious: Don't worry about interrupting any discussions, we talk about a lot of things in there. Also, there are alternatives to mIRC such as x-chat, pidgin, and trillian that don't cost money to use.

JadeAuto: I'm not 100% certain but IIRC it could simply be the router's built in NAT (network address translating). Starcraft wasn't designed with broadband in mind, so there's a lot of times where it may not work without configuration of the router. The DMZ and no firewalls thing is really a dangerous option, and as you said it hasn't helped at all so you might want to get yourself protected again. My only real suggestion is to check for some NAT filtering option and try toggling that. We've had similar problems with some guys who have multiple clients running behind the same router and some guys who can't connect to multiple clients in a game but can 1v1 just fine... it always turns out to be bad NAT redirection :S

[JadeAuto]

My only real suggestion is to check for some NAT filtering option and try toggling that. We've had similar problems with some guys who have multiple clients running behind the same router and some guys who can't connect to multiple clients in a game but can 1v1 just fine... it always turns out to be bad NAT redirection :S

No ability to turn it off, either on the router or on the modem. /sigh

Two to one I could get it working on Hamachi (fake networks ftw), but Bnet wants to spite me

[HideousBeing]

I might suggest that anyone who joined OCR after this thread was made should not be allowed in. Don't want to check myself, but it's possible people might join just to win the prize money and/or recognition. I want people to recognize the winner as someone who has been in the community.

I am not joining if you thought that influenced this suggestion.

[SynthesizedStampede]

I might suggest that anyone who joined OCR after this thread was made should not be allowed in. Don't want to check myself, but it's possible people might join just to win the prize money and/or recognition. I want people to recognize the winner as someone who has been in the community.

I am not joining if you thought that influenced this suggestion.

:-\, I sorta feel you on that one. I mean, GOOD people might join the forum just to win the prize, but then again, just normal people who happened to join uber-recently will be excluded.

I just don't understand why there has to be a prize of some sort. Nobody can have fun just playing a game anymore?

[Lord Obsidious]

Ummmm, since when was there mention of a prize to be won here? The last I recall, the guy in charge of the tournament didn't seem interested in prizes; and a few other as well (Nekofrog and myself included).

[Tensei]

I think it's pretty obvious from this thread that no prize is required to get sufficient people to participate.

[Garian]

Thanks Tensei, yeah, I've been meaning to edit the OP but just haven't gotten around to it yet, no prize this time around it looks like, no big deal. Just some good games between friends and bragging rights~

JadeAuto: if you can do 1v1 on hamachi that's fine, just make sure to save the replays :)

[Lord Obsidious]

http://www.gomtv.net/classics3/vod/738

Thought I might post this in case nobody has yet seen it. Definitely a very good game to watch, and very tense too.

[Tensei]

Part 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_GogofeJCc&feature=related&fmt=18
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGXKIw2msA&feature=related&fmt=18
Time for another fascinating match! Watch this, and don't spoil it for yourself by reading the comments. It's both hilarious and awesome (and inventive).

Skip to about 8:00 in the first vid if you don't want to watch the whole match.

[Nekofrog]

When he uses an infested marine to take out a batch of canons, the camera cuts to Kal who is now visibly sweating pretty badly.

This was probably his reaction when he first saw it.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8088/1243345626701.png

[Native Jovian]

Wait are we supposed to commit to a particular race for this tournament? I tend to switch it up based on the map and what my opponent's playing and the position of Jupiter compared to Betelgeuse etc etc.

My b.net name is NativeJovian, though. If I have to stick to one race I'd go Zerg. (And complain bitterly all the while!)

[Battousai]

Sounds like fun. If we're playing on battle.net I recommend people save the replays and send them to garian or whomever. Then we can do casts of the games off the replays. Live casting is more difficult and also can contribute to game lag, which we don't want.

[ProjectJusticeX]

I'm not entirely sure why you should have to stick with one race if random is allowed.

[Sensai]

Ugh. Now you people have got me excited about SC2 and wanting to play/watch more SC1.

[Garian]

heehee sensai.

Allowing random is really just a concession, but if someone WANTS random, then they should have to stick with it for their matches, it'll make it a lot harder for the player to come up with a build order and plan than someone who is playing their primary race. I used to play against koelsch1 a lot and he had a nasty habit of speedlot rushing, and playing random against him meant it was a 1 in 3 chance of being able to counter his typical build easily (i was always slow to get lurkers, and i never made enough zealots, so firebats were how i coped).

IMPORTANT:

Signups will close sunday night at 12AM, and I'll get a randomly generated tournament bracket and map order on Wednesday. After that, you'll have one week to submit your replays (PLEASE Date and timestamp them). Since it will be a best-of-3, I expect 4 or 6 replays for each match-up, more if there are observers. For commentaries we'll just have to wait until after the replays are in, to prevent game-lag like Battousai said. Preferably the games will be played on Battle.net, but if for some reason you can't use Bnet then you can use Hamachi-- provided your opponent agrees. Maybe in the future we can set up a PVPGN server, or use one that someone else is hosting :S

[Tensei]

God, I'm so excited for this. I'm still really out of practice, though, so if anyone else feels like sharpening up their ZvT, PvT or TvT against me, I'd LOVE to do some practice matches.

[Rozovian]

Argh, to join or not to join...

[Garian]

I was talking with Tensei on IRC a few minutes ago concerning maps, I settled on picking 6 different maps for now, and barring any major disagreements from anyone who will be playing, I'll flip coins on wednesday to see which 3 will be used for round 1. SO! Tentative maps!

Destination (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/188_Destination) download (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20destination%201.1.scx)
Sin Chupung-Ryeong (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/193_Sin_Chupung-Ryeong) download (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20sinchupunryeong2.1.scx)
Tau Cross (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/3_Tau_Cross)
Neo Medusa (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/202_Neo_Medusa) download (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20neomedusa2.0.scx)
Othello (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/178_Othello)
Python (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/147_Python)

Hopefully you guys can get some practice time in on all of the maps, like I said I have no idea which 3 we'll be using. If you have an issue with any of the maps, please let me know as soon as possible so we can discuss the issue, and if necessary find a suitable alternative.

edit: noticed some maps didn't have download links at team liquid, tensei hooked me up with his archive of iccup versions of the maps. happy crafting :S

[JadeAuto]

Preferably the games will be played on Battle.net, but if for some reason you can't use Bnet then you can use Hamachi-- provided your opponent agrees. Maybe in the future we can set up a PVPGN server, or use one that someone else is hosting :S
If I have to install on my laptop and play from a sekrit source, so be it. I *think* 1v1 will work on bnet, and i'll continue to test today :)

any way you look at it, this'll be fun!

*edit - if anyone wishes to help me test hamachi to make sure I have a viable way of not failing by default in this tournament, pm me or message me on steam: JadeAuto
Second edit*: 1v1's on bnet work fine for me, so I'm good there. More than 1v1? I am le screwed.

Play you all soon!

[SynthesizedStampede]

Hey, I'll actually sign-up right now.

SynthesizedStampede: Protoss

And about that battle.net issue, apparently I'm one of those people who have trouble playing on it haha. What my friend has showed me that's worked is Garena, but unfortunately it's sometimes laggy on there. I haven't tried Hamachi with Starcraft though...hmm...

[Lord Obsidious]

Downloaded all the maps onto my hardrive. Already tested on in an actual game play with a computer (I was surprised to actually beat it quite easily) Of course, I intend to play actual people to help me practice.

A few things that might be an issue for me. I'm still doing an intensive course, and it'll be ending around next week (Thursday I believe). The good news is that I at least come home around 1 to 1:30 the latest; of course, it's an intensive, so I might have a bit of work on my plate to do. The only other issue might be with my wirless network, but it hasn't hiccuped on me for a while. Plus when it does, normally it should reconnect before I get dropped.

Anyway, I give a late thanks to Garian for the advice, and also to him for organizing the tourney, even if I might not show up due to work. I am hoping to have a practice round or two sometime before them match with anyone. I wouldn't mind have a go with you Tensei.

[Tensei]

I sort of have vacation now so I can basically play whenever (unless I'm asleep), I'm Tensei on battle.net US east.

[friendlyHunter]

Hmmm.... I'm hesitant to sign up until I know what dates the competition starts and ends, since I'll be busy between certain dates. But if it's double elimination, I'll probably be eliminated pretty fast anyway :nicework:

Chances are I'll be ok. What the heck, I'm in:
BNet name: FriendlyWarlord
Race: random

[Garian]

LordObsidious: There won't be any set "match times," instead I'll let the players submit their replays to me throughout the week of each bracket. Hopefully that should be enough to accommodate even the busiest folks, if not, once the brackets ARE posted PLEASE contact me and your opponent so we can work something out!

friendlyHunter: I not sure on when the tournament will be over, that's depends on how many people enter! BUT we'll be beginning wednesday and when you get in contact with your opponent, play as much "warm-up" as you like, but you should play each map successively when you decide to get into it. It's a little lax but I get the impression that most guys here are casual players, I want everyone to have a good time and feel they played to their best ability. On wednesday I'll have the proper replay filename convention ready, I've gotta work out a couple of issues regarding how SC handles file names (it doesn't really give you enough characters).

[Tensei]

Just measured my APM (Actions per minute). 107 average, bitches! Yes I know this isn't even close to average

[ContinueTheEnd]

Garian, I have a question: I'm still in college right now and finals are coming up in two weeks. I'd love to sign up for this tournament, but there's no way I'll be able to play any matches until about three weeks from today. I'm going to be studying like mad, plus I'm taking a one-week trip right after college lets out. If you expect players to start playing next week, then I can't join...however, if there's still several weeks until the tournament actually starts, then I will definitely join. Please answer as soon as possible - the signup deadline's almost here. Thanks.

-ContinueTheEnd

[ProjectJusticeX]

Sign me up for this shit, Terran

[Garian]

ContinueTheEnd: Hm, I'd like to see what some other folks think, but from what I gather there is a lot of anticipation to see how folks stack up against one-another. I won't say that there is a definite "Not possible" until we get a bit more feedback, I'm not too inflexible! And if you have to sit this one out, there's always the next :)

Also: I'm thinking, after our first "OCR Community" tourney, I'd like to host one that's a bit more open to some of the other communities I'm in and taking signups by email or something. What do you guys think?

[JadeAuto]

The more tournaments, the better.

[Lord Obsidious]

Just measured my APM (Actions per minute). 107 average, bitches! Yes I know this isn't even close to average

O.o I don't think I'm quite capable of doing that just yet. I'd need to get myself rather organized. Also, how does one measure their APM?

On another note, having very little real-time fighting experience, I decided to try out the maps while duking it out with the computers before tackling real players; just to get myself a bit warmed-up. I mostly just did ZvP games, and before, the only way for me to win was Lurker rushing (Although I accidently Zergling rushed one successfully). I later decided to try a different build knowing it wasn't good to rely on tha strategy; a burrow defense build, and while it hadn't gone as successfully as I hoped, I did managed to win in the long run by containing the bugger. It was a struggle since I had to micromanage so many units, but it was a good starting experiance for me nonetheless. Now I just need to have a game with an actual player for good experiance.

Oh, and I got up around 5 AM to watch the next Classic series of GOMTV. I was skeptical at waking up at such a time, but it was well worth it with the fun games. I especially enjoyed the ZvZ bloodfest and Efforts play.

[Tensei]

O.o I don't think I'm quite capable of doing that just yet. I'd need to get myself rather organized. Also, how does one measure their APM?

On another note, having very little real-time fighting experience, I decided to try out the maps while duking it out with the computers before tackling real players; just to get myself a bit warmed-up. I mostly just did ZvP games, and before, the only way for me to win was Lurker rushing (Although I accidently Zergling rushed one successfully). I later decided to try a different build knowing it wasn't good to rely on tha strategy; a burrow defense build, and while it hadn't gone as successfully as I hoped, I did managed to win in the long run by containing the bugger. It was a struggle since I had to micromanage so many units, but it was a good starting experiance for me nonetheless. Now I just need to have a game with an actual player for good experiance.

Oh, and I got up around 5 AM to watch the next Classic series of GOMTV. I was skeptical at waking up at such a time, but it was well worth it with the fun games. I especially enjoyed the ZvZ bloodfest and Efforts play.

http://rockify.net/zdd/APMDetector.rar
Just run the executable, then run starcraft and press alt+z at the start of the match to start up the counter.

I'm not a zerg player at all, but I think hydras are generally a favorable matchup against goons. Most of the pro ZvP matches seem to go with a combination of lots of hydras and lurkers against goons, zealots and templars. I guess it mostly comes down to whoever has the better micro/macro at that point.

The comp plays completely differently from a human player though, 9 out of 10 times he'll go for a 2gateway zealot rush so you often need to get up some early defenses even when you're aiming for a fast expansion or fast tech build.

[Nekofrog]

A group of hydras will always tear up a group of goons, everything else being equal. Their rate of fire of higher (but range is lower).

If the hydras do not have hydra speed, you could micro the dragoons to tear apart the hydras with shoot-and-move, but at that point in the game hydra speed is always evolved.

[Tensei]

Also, please, if anyone is up for a practice 1v1 match against me (Terran), I'm idling in channel ocr on US east, I really need the practice.

[Red Shadow]

i hope this does better than the brawl tournament did

[ContinueTheEnd]

ContinueTheEnd: Hm, I'd like to see what some other folks think, but from what I gather there is a lot of anticipation to see how folks stack up against one-another. I won't say that there is a definite "Not possible" until we get a bit more feedback, I'm not too inflexible! And if you have to sit this one out, there's always the next :)

Also: I'm thinking, after our first "OCR Community" tourney, I'd like to host one that's a bit more open to some of the other communities I'm in and taking signups by email or something. What do you guys think?

Alright...I'll sit this one out; it sounds like I would just be hindering all the people who really want to play. I know how frustrating that can be, heh. Hopefully there'll be another tournament after this one. I definitely plan to join it if there is.

[Garian]

Red Shadow, so far I've got 11 people who've formally signed up (9 in the thread, and 2 from real-time chat), and although I'm foreseeing Battousai and Nekofrog rolling through everyone it should be some good times. What exactly happened with the brawl tournament?

ContinueTheEnd: Fair enough, I'm not sure how soon after we finish this tourney we'll start the next, but I'm hoping it's a bit more open to incorporate some other communities... Tumult and AE are pretty good for casual players, and they have a friend who played at a more hardcore level, micromanaging multiple fronts while maintaining his army size :S

And here's a bit more info! The matchups will be random, I repurposed a silly win/loss ranking utility I made a few years ago (for the same reason) to assign a random number to entrants and then sort them from highest to lowest number (I was really having a hell of a time getting that to work, it was supposed to sort the other way, lowest to highest). Like I said before, once I post the match-ups, you'll have ONE WEEK to record 3 consecutive replays. I still need to work out a format for the replays to make it easier to manage :S Also, like I said before, if you cannot use Battle.net for ANY reason, you aren't necessarily disqualified... try to work out playing on a VPN like Hamachi with your opponent. Battle.net users DO get preference (meaning if your opponent is unable to use a VPN like Hamachi or a PVPGN server, you'll be forced to concede), but hopefully everyone will work to accommodate each other.

Thanks again everyone, and there's still about 6 hours left to sign up so if you're even remotely interested, please do!

[vega12]

Just to make sure my post declaring my "interest" wasn't passed over, I'm now signing up.

[Dyne]

Not sure if I'm going to be able to do this. It sucks, because I want to, but I'm moving out of my house in two weeks, so I don't know when I'll have the computer back up and running.

[Garian]

Ok guys! I've got a tentative list of players, just working to confirm/deny a few people who showed interest but never formally declared their name/race (I can be flexible!).

Confirmed:
Nekofrog - Zerg
Tensei-san - Terran
Elesarana - Protoss
FriendlyWarlord - Random
LordObsidious - Zerg
Wind_Strike - Terran
Gario - Random
JadeAuto - Zerg
SynthesizedStampede - Protoss
ProjectJusticeX - Terran
Bleck - Random
Vega12 - Protoss
NativeJovian - Zerg
Battousai - Zerg
WildArmor - Random

Unconfirmed:

linkspast
Zyko

If we end up with an odd number of confirmed entrants, I'll throw my name on in as well just to even it out, playing Random with the name "garian." Remember, there's still plenty of time to practice, and you can take as much time to warm up as necessary... just be sure that once you start your matches that you save the replays.

For the replay naming format, you should use an abbreviated form of your name (I would use Gar for myself), the level of the tournament (use some convention like "Ro 1" or "Set1"), and finally "Game" and the game number. When you send me your replays to me, they should appear similar to "Gar Ro1 Game1.rep" "Gar Ro1 Game2.rep" and "Gar Ro1 Game3.rep." It would be best to zip all three up with a text file stating the winner as well, but that is optional and mostly for my convenience-- I won't let Neko or Battousai know the results of any games that they cast if they choose to do so so that the commentary is fresh!

[JadeAuto]

This is going to be good!

[Red Shadow]

The problem with the brawl tournament was the eventual inability of participants to get themselves organized and get online to play someone else.

Starcraft players are typically a little different mindset so lets see!

[Garian]

OK guys! Zyko and Linkspast never contacted me so they are being dropped. We also only had 15 people signed up so I will join in to even it out. Here are the matchups!

* elesarana protoss (random value: 975)
* Gario random (random value: 964)

* wildarmor random (random value: 888)
* wind_strike terran (random value: 880)

* nekofrog zerg (random value: 874)
* SynthesizedStampede protoss (random value: 855)

* ProjectJusticeX terran (random value: 528)
* nativejovian zerg (random value: 446)

* tensei terran (random value: 355)
* FriendlyWarlord random (random value: 332)

* Battousai zerg (random value: 327)
* bleck random (random value: 248)

* jadeauto zerg (random value: 185)
* garian random (random value: 168)

* LordObsidious zerg (random value: 73)
* vega12 protoss (random value: 23)

Remember, the format is single elimination. I also seperated each group of 4 with seperate lists for clarity's sake; the winners of the first round in each group will play each other. Take as much time to warm up as you need, but once you start your matches please play until the best of 3! If you have any trouble contacting your opponent, please get in touch with me via IRC or Steam chat (I'll also check my messages, but that will be less frequent).
BE SURE TO SAVE YOUR REPLAYS! Also make sure they are named in a similar format to "Gar Ro# Game#.rep"

Good luck and have fun :)

EDIT: I forgot the map list, sorry guys!

Tau Cross (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/3_Tau_Cross) for game 1
Python (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/147_Python) for game 2
Sin Chupung-Ryeong (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20sinchupunryeong2.1.scx) for game 3

[friendlyHunter]

Oh my... am I correct to assume I'm toast? After I'm finished, I'll have to arrange some games with other eliminated players =p

[SynthesizedStampede]

NOOO NEKOFROG??? *sad face*

Losers bracket, yes? Haha, just kidding. Man, I'm gonna get owned ^_^

[JadeAuto]

hehehe, I get the random injection against the tournament leader first round. Joy!

Note: If you're up against me, message me on Yahoo (see user info), Steam (JadeAuto), or PM me. I check most spots daily.

[Gario]

DAMN! I wanted that matchup!

Oh well, that's what 'random' will do to ya :nicework:.

[JadeAuto]

Unless your name is Random and you have a pack of Trumps.... then who knows what would happen....

[Tensei]

Oh my... am I correct to assume I'm toast? After I'm finished, I'll have to arrange some games with other eliminated players =p

Haha, please don't overestimate me. I'm alright at micro and I generally get my build up quite fast, but I have trouble looking at the big picture of stuff and adapting my strategies to my opponents. If it's any consolation, I've lost to Neko, Lord Obsidious and garian in practice matches.

[Rambo]

Garian! You should have bugged me about this. I would definitely have joined! :<
Next time!

Also, I want to see your replays! :razz:

[Nekofrog]

I'm available any time.

Hit me up on aim.

[Tensei]

How do we decide which map to play on though?

[Sensai]

I want to see the replays. :-D I may suck at the game, but I do enjoy watching it.

[Rambo]

I want to see the replays. :-D I may suck at the game, but I do enjoy watching it.
You WOULD want to see the replays.
I bet you're one of those kinda guys who would un-allie at the very end of a match and off your teammate while he's weak. Aren't you. AREN'T YOU.

[Garian]

How do we decide which map to play on though?

OH CRAP, SORRY! I was too busy wanting to get into TF2, i've got some quarters right here, flipping now...

Tau Cross (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/3_Tau_Cross) for game 1
Python (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/147_Python) for game 2
Sin Chupung-Ryeong (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20sinchupunryeong2.1.scx) for game 3

The third map is the tiebreaker, of course. I COMPLETELY forgot last night, sorry about that!

[Lord Obsidious]

Now that I've finished my intensive courses, I should be free for most of this week and a few of the next ones as well, so I'm open to a match then. I'm normally on AIM, my name being Lord Obsidious

[WindStrike]

Fyi, due to not using my BNet account for forever, I created a new one and the account name is WindStrike and not Wind_Strike (no underscore). Just a quick fyi.

... also, I found that I don't know how to do a siege tank rush without getting killed right off the bat by 12 zealots. Though I do know how to lurker rush/dark templar rush, except that I'm Terran, so whatever...

On another note, those are some awesome frigin' maps.

[Tensei]

Fyi, due to not using my BNet account for forever, I created a new one and the account name is WindStrike and not Wind_Strike (no underscore). Just a quick fyi.

... also, I found that I don't know how to do a siege tank rush without getting killed right off the bat by 12 zealots. Though I do know how to lurker rush/dark templar rush, except that I'm Terran, so whatever...

On another note, those are some awesome frigin' maps.

Scouting is your friend. If you scout out your opponent and see that he's got 2 gateways up already, you can tell that he'll probably go for a quick zealot attack, as opposed to teching to DTs/templars/whatever. Depending on the circumstances, you should respond by either getting an academy and getting a bunch of firebats to guard your chokepoint, or keep on teching like you'd normally do and get a few vultures (which do quite well against zealots). Once you shrug off the initial rush, you should send your vultures to harass his supply lines, while you tech to tanks, set up another factory etc. He should soon be overwhelmed since he put most of his money on the initial zealot rush.

[vega12]

Well, for TvP you want more than just a few vultures. They act as a meat shield to keep the toss units away from the tanks while the tank fire tears into the toss army, and, like you mentioned, they do full 20 damages per shot against zealots, so a pure zealot army would disintegrate in face of that. Tanks by themselves are quite vulnerable. Firebats typically work very well against zealots too of course, but one advantage with vultures is they are way more multi-purpose. They are faster, you can lay mines, and you can rush past defenses for peon raids. Not to mention that with proper micro, you can kill off zealots without taking any damage, whereas firebats have to get in melee range to engage.

[Wild Armor]

Well, I'm all set to play. Had to find my cds to install and ran through the first map. Hah, I was a bit rusty, but I did fine against the computer, but that doesn't mean anything until I vs. a human.

[WindStrike]

Ah, good to know. I look forward to killing you soon! (or vice versa)

Still gotta warmup in a 1v2 computers real fast, but no rush for the match on our part.

Actually, after asking a friend that actually knows how to do a siege tank rush, I think I can pull it off. And after that comes the battlecruisers. Whee!

Edit: That's why it worked... we always played on an edited version of Killing Fields for fun (dubbed Great Killing Fields) that added a bunch more resources... namely a second vespene geyser at starting locations! Now vultures with spider mines followed up with battlecruisers later... that would work.

[Garian]

JadeAuto and I just played our matches! I won't announce who won just yet, I was curious if anyone would be interested in joining Nekofrog and Battousai for doing some skypecasting to the replays. Since there is a maximum of 24 replays possible, we'll only cast 1 from each set for the first round. Please respond to Battousai or Nekofrog ASAP to set this up.

Also, how are you all doing in getting your matches set up? I had a few thoughts that we may have to extend the deadline by a few days if people are hard to contact or busy... From what I've seen though most of you are fairly active though, so I might just be a bit worried over nothing!

Remember! You can email your replays to garian[at]thasauce[dot]net either as attachments or links to a download!

[Nekofrog]

Haven't heard from my opponent

[vega12]

I've already sent a PM to Lord Obsidious regarding our match, but in case they don't check PMs, I'll post here to let them know to check. Maybe I should just get AIM, but no one else I know uses it :razz:

[Halt]

I won't be able to play StarCraft, have to save money.

[Tensei]

JadeAuto and I just played our matches! I won't announce who won just yet, I was curious if anyone would be interested in joining Nekofrog and Battousai for doing some skypecasting to the replays. Since there is a maximum of 24 replays possible, we'll only cast 1 from each set for the first round. Please respond to Battousai or Nekofrog ASAP to set this up.

Also, how are you all doing in getting your matches set up? I had a few thoughts that we may have to extend the deadline by a few days if people are hard to contact or busy... From what I've seen though most of you are fairly active though, so I might just be a bit worried over nothing!

Remember! You can email your replays to garian[at]thasauce[dot]net either as attachments or links to a download!

I'll be joining Neko and Battousai for the skype cast.

[Lord Obsidious]

JadeAuto and I just played our matches! I won't announce who won just yet, I was curious if anyone would be interested in joining Nekofrog and Battousai for doing some skypecasting to the replays. Since there is a maximum of 24 replays possible, we'll only cast 1 from each set for the first round. Please respond to Battousai or Nekofrog ASAP to set this up.

Questoin: What will us other members being doing when we join the skypecasting? Other commentary, or something else?

Either way, I'm totally up for joining. Just need to update Skype.

[Garian]

well, i suppose if it was your replay you could give us some insight as to what was going on in your head... other than that i'd assume you'll just be cheering on the action and doing co-commentary!

[JadeAuto]

Just say when the skypecast will occur. It'll be fun!

[Gario]

I can't seem to get in touch with my opponent... It doesn't look like Elesarana frequents OC often enough to get my PMs. Does anyone know the best way to get in contact?

[friendlyHunter]

I know I get my PMs emailed to me automatically... but for whatever reason there's a PM limit, so if your inbox is full I'm not sure if you can get new ones.

[Tensei]

I can't seem to get in touch with my opponent... It doesn't look like Elesarana frequents OC often enough to get my PMs. Does anyone know the best way to get in contact?

I've seen her in #ocrtf2 a few times but that's it. I mostly know her from playing TF2, but I'm sure garian knows her better so he'll help you out.

[SynthesizedStampede]

Hey Neko, I think I left a message on your page, but if you didn't get it I'll just post here. Is there any time that you are free in the coming week? I'm usually free around 2pm to 5pm Pacific Time on weekdays, and from mornings to 4pm on weekends.

[Tensei]

I already told garian, but I'm throwing my match. I need to practice way more to be ready for tournament play. Maybe next time.

[friendlyHunter]

Aww, really? I thought that match was pretty close, right up until I made those guardians at the end :puppyeyes: And I don't know what they heck I would've done if I was Protoss or Terran.

I was hoping to get some matches with someone near my skill level... On BNet, most 1on1 "noob only" games are against players who aren't actually newbies, but I play them anyway or else I'd never be able to play any 1on1 games. And 2vs2 noob only games depend almost completely on the skill of my ally (especially if he's good enough to tell me what to do ^_^)

But I am pretty busy this week. Well, time to get ready for...

Battousai!!!1 :O


Well there's always next tournament.

[vega12]

Lord Obsidious and I just played our matches. Following Garian's lead, I also won't announce the results yet. Not sure exactly what the protocol is here, so I'll just leave it at that and email my replays to Garian.

[Nekofrog]

Still waiting to hear from my opponent :\

[Native Jovian]

Ditto tenchars

[friendlyHunter]

If anyone doesn't show up, I'd volunteer to replace them... but unfortunatley I won't be able to play next week =(

....Unofficial "losers tournament" anyone?


Also Battousai and Bleck: since I'm unavailable next week, can you let me know when you're finished your matches so we can do ours ASAP? I doubt I can win, but I long for combat, as it were.

[Wild Armor]

That was fun.

[Tensei]

If anyone feels like practicing, I'm usually idling on IRC in #ocremix so we could set something up.

[Garian]

nekofrog: both you and your opponent have AIM, has he not been logged in? He's posted in the thread since the matchups were announced as much as you have so maybe you guys are just missing each other. Set yourselves up a time today and get it on!

Gario: I TOTALLY dropped the ball, last night I was playing l4d with Elesarana and didn't say to set up a game with you. If I see her on steam before I go to work I'll tell her to check her messages here, and certainly will after work tonight.

Native Jovian: If your opponent doesn't get in contact with you you'll advance since your opponent has not responded since the match-ups were announced. Sorry that you have to take a bye-week if that's the case, if you want a game I'll be up for one tonight :)

[Gario]

Don't worry, Garian - she got in touch with me a few days ago. I'll send an e-mail to try to arrange times today (although if you can get in touch by way of steam, that wouldn't be bad - I don't have steam, so it's not an option for me :puppyeyes:).

[JadeAuto]

Steam is free. A bit bloated to just use as an IM client (where's my trillian steam-chat plugin when I need it?) but it does well.

Plus, it's a good way to get ubercheap games.

/endsidetrack

Can't wait to see the 'casts of the games, as well as round 2!

[Gario]

I'll look into it - Thanks, JadeAuto!

[Nekofrog]

I added him to AIM a longass time ago, and posted on his personal board.

[Nekofrog]

I'm online all day every day for the next 7 days and have had you added on AIM for like a week dude, still don't see you.

[Garian]

Hate to do it but today was the deadline... Nekofrog and Native Jovian will be proceeding to the next round as their opponents were no-shows. I've been in contact with both of them on IRC and it's kinda frustrating that it happened. Part of that too was the informal nature of our first tournament, for the team tournament we'll have established match times so that we don't have a repeat offense.

Bleck informed me that he's dropping out because he's not familiar with the game, so Battousai also gets a freebie. :\

Gario and Elesarana are the last matchup that I need replays from and as I've been in touch with both AND was informed that they were setting up a time to play, I'll grant them an exception to the deadline. I'm not going to penalize anyone for not saving their replays since I've got replays for the other matches (thanks vega12 and windstrike!) I'm going to review all of the replays and send the ones I think are going to make for the best commentary to Nekofrog and Battousai, talk with them about joining the skypecast. I'm fairly certain that Battousai will be recording it as well, in order to sync the commentary to videos of the replays :)

Sorry I've been kinda lax about the management guys, hopefully round 2 will go a bit smoother!

[Wild Armor]

Who'll be commentating on WindStrike and our matches? I was lost in the fluff on that one.

[SynthesizedStampede]

Haha it's alright Garian, we just played today and I lost both games anyway :-(. Good stuff though haha.

[WindStrike]

I guess it's anyone goes for our matches (well, match... only one replay is being used). Group commentary anyone?

[friendlyHunter]

Check your PMs Battousai. LET'S DO THIS!!! :D

[Gario]

Cripes, today was the deadline!? I didn't know it had one - sorry about that!

I'll try to get something going with her tomorrow or something (in other words - ASAP :|).

[Garian]

It's fine, Gario. We have most of the replays to be casted whenever Neko and Eddie set up a time for that, once they get recorded I'll host an archive of the first round replays and the second round will begin. Good luck :)

[Nekofrog]

We're casting as we speak

[Gario]

Alright, Nekofrog - I've got my match set up for tomorrow afternoon. Sorry about the delay... I'll send our replays to you as soon as the matches are finished (I'm sorry if that screwed you up at all :|).

[friendlyHunter]

We're casting as we speak
Hey, still casting? Tell Battousai that I'm on BNet right now, if it's not too late tonight =)

[Garian]

haha friendly hunter, round 2 can start after we have all of the casts finished, i'll announce the winners of the matchups and then we can start. AND! since the second round will all be people who were around during the first we shouldn't have any no-shows :)

if you have steam or use IRC get in touch with me and i'll play against you some time :)

[Gario]

I can't get on Bnet, at the moment (or for a while, by the looks of it). I'm afraid I've got to forfeit the match. Sorry - I'll enjoy watching what you guys got, though.

Thus, Elesarana would be winner by default... Gah! I wish I could find my original CDs to reinstall the damn thing so I could fix this, but I lost them (I wouldn't have this problem if I had them :banghead:).

[friendlyHunter]

haha friendly hunter, round 2 can start after we have all of the casts finished, i'll announce the winners of the matchups and then we can start. AND! since the second round will all be people who were around during the first we shouldn't have any no-shows :)

if you have steam or use IRC get in touch with me and i'll play against you some time :)

The problem is I only have one or two days left to play, since I wasn't expecting to make it past round 1... and since I know I can't beat Battousai twice (ok, MAYBE I can, but I doubt it), I don't have to worry about round 3. Also Bleck (Battousai's round 1 opponent) and Tensai (my round 1 opponent) both dropped before we started our matches, so anyone who reads this thread already knows who "won", and there's no casting to be done for our matches.

How's the casting going by the way?


Thus, Elesarana would be winner by default... Gah! I wish I could find my original CDs to reinstall the damn thing so I could fix this, but I lost them (I wouldn't have this problem if I had them :banghead:).
My Broodwar CD literally exploded inside the CD-ROM drive. There was a giant POP! and it cracked into many many pieces. Thank God for Alcohol.



[Edit]

And I've yet to get a reply to my PM to Battousai. Don't let me win this round by default!! =P

[Lord Obsidious]

We're casting as we speak

Sweetness, I'm totally looking forward to what you guys have to say for every match. Have fun casting.

[Battousai]

Casting's taking a while. I'll be working with Neko to get these churned out this weekend. By Monday you should know the results of all the games (we're only casting one game from each series)

Also I have a method for those of you who can't get on bnet due to illigetimate cdkeys. I'll share it with garian so that the next one of these can be taken care of more smoothly.

[Gario]

My Broodwar CD literally exploded inside the CD-ROM drive. There was a giant POP! and it cracked into many many pieces. Thank God for Alcohol.

Yeah, I've been using the ISO for some time now... but without the keys on the CD case I can't reinstall it...

... and how the HELL did you make your CD explode?!

[friendlyHunter]

Hmm, since I likely can't play next week, maybe it's best to wait until Wednesday (not next Wednesday, but the one after - June 24th). In the meantime maybe I'll play a practice match or two with someone =)



... and how the HELL did you make your CD explode?!
I got Zergling rushed so bad it caused terrible terrible damage to the CD :<

But seriously, it must have been something wrong with the CD drive. The CD probably got jammed on something while it was spinning, or maybe the CD got bent too much and it snapped and shattered. I wasn't playing StarCraft when it happened, so only after opening the CD tray later that day did I realize what the loud pop noise was.

I couldn't even remember which CD it was, until recently when I went looking for the Broodwar CD in anticipation of this tournament.

[Garian]

So, Gario, Elesarana said she had to forfeit, which means you move on. Talk to battousai about some options for playing because he's better at giving directions than me.

Also, Eddie and Nekofrog are in the process of getting all of the VODs up, and after they're on YouTube the winners will be announced and we'll take a week-long break to allow for some practice.

I would've posted something sooner but I was waiting on Ele/Gario's games to happen (which they didn't)... We haven't given up yet and Round 2's games are certainly going to be exciting!

[Battousai]

Here's a bracket to get you guys excited. The rest will be filled in once we've got everything done and taken care of.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4672/ocrscbracketrev1.jpg

This is only taking into account the forfeitures.

[Battousai]

Okay, guys, the first video is up. Sorry for the shoddy quality; we're still working out all the bugs. I'm working on improving my own casting - you'll see improvement throughout. Since it takes 40+ minutes to upload each video, and I'm not on a super fast UL, I'm going to link the results. As garian mentioned, we all have a week to practice before scheduling the games, so take your time and work out the kinks in your own play.

Nekofrog vs SynthStampede game 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPs5XLbKTPI casted by Nekofrog and myself

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5711/ocrscbracketrev2.jpg

[SynthesizedStampede]

Never thought I'd enjoy seeing one of my losses on youtube. I never really managed to play any normal games like these on b.net because there are money maps everywhere. Now I can finally see what I'm doing wrong.

[vega12]

Great work on the cast guys! Some comments I guess about the match between Nekofrog and SynthStampede.

Nekofrog played well, all around, but made a huge mistake of not sending a drone to the other position to scout the toss player out earlier. Also, sending the drone out for the natural hatchery way before you could afford it was a bit of lost mining time. It was just sitting at the natural expansion alone for some time. Both parties microed pretty well though. Sneaky 2nd expansion was a good move too.

The SynthStampede had a good rush, but didn't follow it up as well as should've. Constant probe production is key. Gotta keep the pylon count up as well, as was pointed out in the cast, but by far the biggest thing was economy. If you are constantly pumping probes, and producing pylons as needed, and gateways when you can afford to, you will be able to macro up a large army. Of course when rushing you sometimes have to cut probes, but it's important not to cut for too long. Cutting probes that long is basically an all-in thing. If your attack fails, and you aren't getting probes all the while, your economy won't let you last long after your attack force is destroyed.

[Gario]

So, Gario, Elesarana said she had to forfeit, which means you move on. Talk to battousai about some options for playing because he's better at giving directions than me.

Um...what? You didn't get that mixed up or anything, right?

I told her that I forfeited the match because my key isn't working on Bnet anymore, and I can't find the keys to reinstall it. You know that I'm unable to participate without a proper key (it won't even let me install updates, so I can't play with other people due to that :?), right?

[HalcyonSpirit]

Um...what? You didn't get that mixed up or anything, right?

I told her that I forfeited the match because my key isn't working on Bnet anymore, and I can't find the keys to reinstall it. You know that I'm unable to participate without a proper key (it won't even let me install updates, so I can't play with other people due to that :?), right?

Shouldn't you be able to get the updates off the Blizzard website? That's what I used to do. Don't need a key for that.

[Wild Armor]

How many forfeits are we up to? If you are hankering for a match, I'll volunteer myself to fill that forfieter's place. :-p

[Tensei]

Haha yeah same here, if there's any more people forfeiting, I'd be interested in taking their place, playing on iccup made me a bit more confident. :P

[Gario]

Shouldn't you be able to get the updates off the Blizzard website? That's what I used to do. Don't need a key for that.

I got it from Blizzard's site, but the update doesn't install. It tells me the key is bad and I need to reinstall.

[Battousai]

Guys. There's a way you can download the game from iccup and play on there. Also I have a custom gateway to share with you if your game works but your key is not totally legit (the private gateway doesn't require a key.)

We have a week to iron these details out. I'll try to find the file right now and respond when I can.

UPDATE: I found the file. If you need it, send me a private message.

[Gario]

Alright, if the private gateway works I'll check it out and see if I can still be in this (Here's hoping :P).

[JadeAuto]

One note on the video - sounds ultra quiet for you, Eddie. Can we get a volume boost eventually?

[Battousai]

Keep us updated!

It's been a day, so I'll put this in an img tag (if you didn't see it yesterday thanks to my nifty lemon chiffon)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5711/ocrscbracketrev2.jpg

Yeah my voice is a little low compared to Nekofrog, so I'll have it upped for the next casts. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Garian]

all of the replays that were sent in are located at http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ocrt1. i never got replays from synthstampede/nekofrog's game, and i omitted my replays from the games with JadeAuto because he sent his in.

enjoy

[vega12]

Great work!

So what's the map lineup going to be for round 2?

[SynthesizedStampede]

Gotta keep the pylon count up as well, as was pointed out in the cast, but by far the biggest thing was economy. If you are constantly pumping probes, and producing pylons as needed, and gateways when you can afford to, you will be able to macro up a large army. Of course when rushing you sometimes have to cut probes, but it's important not to cut for too long. Cutting probes that long is basically an all-in thing. If your attack fails, and you aren't getting probes all the while, your economy won't let you last long after your attack force is destroyed.

Ah, I see. I'll keep that in mind whenever I manage to play against another human again. :-( I guess it didn't help that I played Warcraft 3 extensively before I even thought about starting Starcraft. They played so differently that I had to rewire my whole thoughts on strats and whatnot. Can't wait for the next OCRemix tournament though, and hope I get to play another newbie haha.

[Garian]

If I recall correctly, the maps we didn't use are othello, destination, and neo medusa. hope that helps!

If you guys want some practice, come to #ocremix (the IRC chat) and ask around.

[Lord Obsidious]

So I decided to download Pidgin as an alternative to mIRC, however, it appears that I'm no quite sure how to use it. I know I have to 'add' some kind of IRC account, but I can't recall ever making an account in the first place. Further more, the only thing that I see that I might be able to add #ocremix to is in 'Server.'

So I'm now sure what to add and where exactly. Also, if I do have to make some sort of account, how do I do that? If you're not familiar with this program but with another free program - one that might be easier to use - go ahead and tell me.

[Battousai]

Did you download pidgin cause you don't like mIRC? the server is irc.enterthegame.com and once you get connected you'd type /join #ocremix to get to the channel. There really ought to be a guide somewhere on these forums for getting to the chatroom.

[Garian]

i used pidgin for irc for about 2 seconds before going back to xchat gnome on ubuntu. it's absolutely retarded for irc. BUT if I recall correctly, all you have to do is create an "account" (it's actually just local settings that pidgin uses) and then tell it which network to connect to (in our case, irc.enterthegame.com) and the channel you wish to join (#ocremix). i MIGHT be wrong though, so you should check the pidgin documentation if it doesn't work that way.

[Lord Obsidious]

It's not that I don't like the program mIRC, I just don't want to have to get the full registration by paying for it; even if I now can pay with credit and it isn't much. I was never big in paying online, and I find it rather silly since a lot of other chat programs are free.

I've placed irc.enterthegame.com as the server, but I get bugger all. I can't enable it for some reason, no matter how many times I click it to be enabled or re-enabled. Does this have anything to do with the password and Username I have to put, 'cuz I don't remember creating a profile on IRC.

[Garian]

ETG does not support nickname services, so you don't want to put a password in at all... here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=using+IRC+with+pidgin :P

Also mIRC still allows you to run even after the "evaluation" expires, the notification is merely a nag. it got old to me earlier this year so i finally paid up like a chump.

[JadeAuto]

Bump

Vega and I had our round two last night. It was fun.

Going to wait for all the other results before posting ours. Garian knows :)

[Garian]

Keep us updated!

It's been a day, so I'll put this in an img tag (if you didn't see it yesterday thanks to my nifty lemon chiffon)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5711/ocrscbracketrev2.jpg

Yeah my voice is a little low compared to Nekofrog, so I'll have it upped for the next casts. Thanks for pointing it out.

Ok guys! go ahead and get those round 2 games going, and be sure to maintain the format "Gar R02 G1.rep" and here are the three maps you will need:
Destination (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/188_Destination) download (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20destination%201.1.scx)
Neo Medusa (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/202_Neo_Medusa) download (http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ICCup%20neomedusa2.0.scx)
Othello (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/178_Othello)

[Gario]

Okay, nothing works... and I mean nothing works (Diablo II, Warcraft 3, etc.) on any online server. I'm beginning to suspect that the problem is much larger than I had first anticipated, as these things used to work (a few months ago I played DII with Tensei, so it worked, then).

Yeah, in short, I'm really up a creek with this tourney... I suspect that it's something to do with my connection, as it's incredibly unreliable with live feedback and such on the internet (I can't connect on IRC either, for example), so I really think I can't do anything about this one.

Sorry, but I really do need to forfeit this (I really did try to get it working though :puppyeyes:) - by the time I get this working again you guys will be done with the tourney. Thanks for trying to help though, Garian and Battousai.

[WindStrike]

Maybe it's a firewall problem? I figure you've already tried that, but just making sure if you've turned firewall off or not.

Well, I guess I got lucky for that round... maybe I'll bug Tensei for a match just so I can send in a replay... dunno.

[vega12]

So how is round 2 coming along? This thread hasn't seen much activity lately I see.

[Garian]

well, nekofrog and battousai have a lot of stuff coming up, neko is running on a laptop right now and is more obsessed with getting tf2 to run at >9 fps, and battousai is preparing for his trip to korea, and neither of their opponents have contacted me either, so i'm kinda just sitting back and waiting. Gario is still having connectivity issues so windstrike is getting a bye week... I've seen native jovian on IRC but he hasn't actually been active, stuff may have come up for him too.

Right now though, I'm just taking a bit more of a laid back approach, we can let things fall in their place, no "deadline" to get your games done or anything-- and if you're hungering for some games, tensei has been playing on iccup a lot and i assume he would appreciate the ability to practice against someone against specific builds without actually having it be a ranked game... try sending him an email/pm or come on IRC and wait for him to pop on, he's usually active during the morning/daytime for the USA users (hooray netherlands time~).

[friendlyHunter]

Hey Battousai, have you seen my PMs? Pick a time. We'd better get this over with before you leave :D

[JadeAuto]

Bump.

I'm up for some friendly 1v1's anytime.

[FireSlash]

I've recently discovered just how facesmashingly awesome a good 1v1 can be, so if anyone's interested, hit me up on IRC or Steam (ID: FireSlash)

Fair warning that I've only played two real matches (ie not against AI), so I'm not that good yet:tomatoface:

[Tensei]

We now have a somewhat official irc channel, #ocrsc on irc.enterthegame.com, and I'm basically up for 1v1 whenever I'm around, so feel free to drop by :)

[JadeAuto]

time to set my irc client to autojoin a fourth channel. yay

[WindStrike]

So uhhh... anyone know just what the heck this is and where it came from?
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?etyu3ytyjmz
It's this random thing I picked up from someone else, but I never found out anything else about it... except that it's funny, messed up, and made of Starcraft (and someone terrible with grammar).

Also, I encourage the #ocrsc channel, for it and everyone in it is awesome.

[friendlyHunter]

Well it sounds like someone who knows English is reading stuff written by people who don't know English. At first I thought it might be chat text from a multiplayer game, but it must be a REALLY bad fanfic about the StarCraft campaign. Personally I prefer reading hilariously bad fanfics to listening to them. Having an intelligent person read it to you just makes it less funny.

[Garian]

Sorry about the lack of updates guys, i was REALLY hoping Eddie and Nekofrog would be able to get their games in order, but too much crap has been happening for both of them right now... So they're both DQ'd and we're moving on to the semifinals. You'll have to give me a little bit of time to pick a new map or two to bring into the rotation, but we should have them by friday, and you'll be free to play your games as soon as I post the maps.

Also: if someone can 'shop the fancy bracket that Eddie made a few pages back, that'd be super :)

[friendlyHunter]

Sorry about the lack of updates guys, i was REALLY hoping Eddie and Nekofrog would be able to get their games in order, but too much crap has been happening for both of them right now... So they're both DQ'd and we're moving on to the semifinals.

Wait... so I'm in the semi-finals without playing a match yet? VERY NICE! :nicework:

Unless by "DQ'd" you mean "Dairy Queen'd". I think both Neko and Battousai deserve a Blizzard ^_^

Also: if someone can 'shop the fancy bracket that Eddie made a few pages back, that'd be super :)
But we don't know all the winners (or at least I don't). With Battousai and Nekofrog busy, I assume that means no replay-casting for round 2? =(

[Nekofrog]

I'd be able to play again if only my laptop keyboard wasn't stupid retarded. The biggest issue being that the CTRL key is completely misplaced making hotkeying almost impossible.

Also windows key where the ctrl key is supposed to be means constantly hitting it by accident. Fuck this laptop keyboard.

[Garian]

jade auto won his match... i've gotta go to work soon so i'll figure some stuff out tomorrow.

[friendlyHunter]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5711/ocrscbracketrev2.jpg
Gario is still having connectivity issues so windstrike is getting a bye week...

Wait... so this means I'm against wind_strike right now? Since both of us didn't get to play round 2, do you think windstrike and I could play round 3 using round 2's maps, instead of waiting for the new round 3 maps? If that's ok with windstrike of course. We played two games and each won one, so this should be an interesting series ^_^

[WindStrike]

I only remember the match where you kinda owned me (though I screwed up pretty badly to start with).

I'm fine with that... if garian is too.

In other news, hooray for the recent implementaion of any music in Brawl... and it further screwing up my sleep schedule.

[friendlyHunter]

I only remember the match where you kinda owned me (though I screwed up pretty badly to start with).
The first one was when I built the all the sunken colonies too far away from my drones, so your marines gunned down all my drones from behind the minerals and I completely died =p (That was against you, right?)


In other news, hooray for the recent implementaion of any music in Brawl... and it further screwing up my sleep schedule.
Looks like we're on even footing in that respect...

[WindStrike]

Yeah, that was me. Actually, I wouldn't have gone around if the sunken colonies were further up, and then who knows what would've happened the rest of that match.

I'm probably not gonna touch Starcraft till Monday... still caught up in the music editing.

[Garian]

sorry guys, i've been pretty distracted (tf2, l4d, sf4, work). the matches are going to be JadeAuto vs NativeJovian and FriendlyHunter vs Wind_Strike

The maps will be:
Heartbreak Ridge (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/199_Heartbreak_Ridge)
Garden of God (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/198_God%27s_Garden)
Destination (http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/188_Destination)

take about a week to get your games played, then email me the replays... i'll post jade and vega's replays to http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ sooner or later

[WindStrike]

So I guess that means FriendlyHunter and I can't use round 2 maps? Eh, fine by me either way.

[Red Shadow]

yay im good at predicting stuff

sorry for the jinx if youre superstitious

[Garian]

we had a lot of guys decide to back out in the beginning, and then technical difficulties with gario and nekofrog. the next one should do a lot better but i'm the worst person to be in charge of anything ever so i might try to delegate or something.

anyway it wasn't a complete failure, but it wasn't "huge success" either.

[JadeAuto]

It's the first attempt. They're always rough. :D

NJ, I hope you kick my ass.

[Garian]

as soon as we know the contenders in the final match, we should get that set prepared!

also: we should excpect commentary from nekofrog and battousai on the other replays whenever they are both able to commit time to casting. AFAIK battousai won't be online until he returns from his trip to korea, and nekofrog will be quite busy in a few months and won't be available. so maybe we should find other casters...? :V

[Battousai]

That's probably a good idea. I won't be home for another couple of weeks~

[friendlyHunter]

Windstrike and I finished our matches. I'd email the replays but I can't find your email address Garian ><

[JadeAuto]

Native Jovian, where art thou? We are the holdup of round three. I wish to battle!

I'll be waiting... :)

[JadeAuto]

Bump. #OCRSC for a game anytime. Keep the fun alive!

[friendlyHunter]

Does that mean you're still waiting for Native Jovian?

[Garian]

i talked with jovian on irc last night, he seemed surprise that he got byes all the way to the semis. i just told jade in a private message that if he can get replays by monday i'll count 'em, otherwise i'll post again that he's in the finals.

sorry about dropping the ball so much, just been a weird year :S

[JadeAuto]

Heh, I just sent NJ a /msg on IRC - best i can do. (happens to be in my desktop screenshot in another thread)

I really don't want a freebie. But, what can you do? :roll:

[Garian]

jovian, you're out!
jade, you're in!

windstrike vs friendly hunter semifinal matches:
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ocrt1/FW%20R03%20G1.rep
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ocrt1/FW%20R03%20G2.rep
http://hosting.thasauce.net/users/Garian/Starcraft/ocrt1/FW%20R03%20G3.rep

[JadeAuto]

I won't turn this into an image for a day or two more, but if you don't care to see the results of the tournament through watching the replays, here's the brackets as they stand:

Click me for the tournament status (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/jadeauto/ocrscbracketrev3.jpg)

Garian, what can the final two call their map selection?

[Tensei]

So what's going on here?

[friendlyHunter]

I think the finals are being held up until Garian announces the map list.

How are things going on the commentator side of things? I'd love to watch the finals matches with commentary =D

[Tensei]

Battousai only has been on very sporadically lately and I'm not sure if Neko even has a working mic currently. So yeah, I don't know about commentary.

[Garian]

[09:14:45] <garian> tensei pick 3 maps for the finals
[09:15:58] <Tensei> Longinus, Outsider, Python, garian
[09:16:28] <garian> tensei, looks good

sorry about the delay, i like to shirk my responsibilities and play team fortress 2. also i was really kinda hoping that buttousai and nekothug would be available for live casting but it was just a pipedream

[Tensei]

I could do commentary on a few of the games if there's interest for that, I have a decent recording setup for both vids and audio.

[friendlyHunter]

Commentary is best with more than one person... I'm sure the Korean girls in your sig have a decent recording setup ;)


...I mean, at least one of them must be a Starcraft fan, right? They probably have a song about Starcraft.

[JadeAuto]

[09:15:58] <Tensei> Longinus, Outsider, Python, garian

Longinus or Longinus2? Looks like there's mineral placement changes between the two.

1:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/7_Longinus.jpg

2:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/121_Longinus%202.jpg

[Tensei]

Longinus or Longinus2?

I only have Longinus (without the 2) :P

Edit: Yeah I don't really see any significant differences between the versions. I guess go with 2 then since that's the more recent and prolly more balanced version then.

[JadeAuto]

Friendly and I just played our matches - and Damn. We seriously need to vidcast these games.

They are quality. They are epic. There's even drama and suspense!

I look forward to the 2nd inaugural OCR Starcraft Tournament. :-P

[friendlyHunter]

There's even drama and suspense!
And romance.

Anyone here want to cast alongside Tensei? I guarantee it'll be fun!! =D

[Souliarc]

Ah ha! I've been looking for some people to play with and not have to go through really random maps and scenarios with random peeps on battle.net! Then it occured to me... OCR, tada! Read a few pages of this thread and it seems the first tournament is already over? Count me in for the next one or if anybody just wants to play.

I've actually installed SC: BW on my computer at work and I have A LOT of downtime there sometimes so please, save me from boredom :)

For Adun!

[WindStrike]

No clue if there will be a second tournament or not, but...

There's a Starcraft channel on IRC on the server irc.enterthegame.com and the Starcraft channel is #ocrsc, where you can bug other people for matches. Dunno how active it'll be, but more than likely, given it's a sensible time of the day, someone will be there to duel you or something (I have school now and am attempting to break my procrastination habits, so you won't see me around there much at all).

[Souliarc]

Friendly and I just played our matches - and Damn. We seriously need to vidcast these games.

They are quality. They are epic. There's even drama and suspense!

I look forward to the 2nd inaugural OCR Starcraft Tournament. :-P

Who won? Would love to check out the replay.

No clue if there will be a second tournament or not, but...

There's a Starcraft channel on IRC on the server irc.enterthegame.com and the Starcraft channel is #ocrsc, where you can bug other people for matches. Dunno how active it'll be, but more than likely, given it's a sensible time of the day, someone will be there to duel you or something (I have school now and am attempting to break my procrastination habits, so you won't see me around there much at all).

Thank you, I'll definitely be hitting that up!

[JadeAuto]

Who won? Would love to check out the replay.

Seeing as I don't think the vods will come soon, it was FriendlyWarlord in game 3. I was a lame duck in game 1, and i squeezed out a win in game 2, but game 3 was where it was at.

If only I had better micro vs storm. :)

PM me your email address and I'll send you the replays.

[Battousai]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs195.snc1/6574_644588876628_6718021_37800558_2762546_n.jpg
Jaedong approves of this thread.

[Red Shadow]

so whats the progress?

[friendlyHunter]

Well, the tournament's over, but the OCR SC irc channel #ocrsc on irc.enterthegame.com is still around. And there may or may not be casting for the tournament's final matches, but it's already been a while since they've been played.

(And watching the replay for the final match, it looks a lot more one-sided than it seemed during the game... only the sides do switch on at least one occasion =p)

[Souliarc]

Just to see where I stand, and I know it doesn't mean everything, but around where does your alls APM average? Me around 70... haha.

[friendlyHunter]

Well, I thought I was the worst ever at StarCraft, but after three months of practice and watching some pro videos, I managed to beat my only two opponents in the tournament. I recently started ICCUP and played a couple dozen ICCUP games, and I'm hovering between D- and D with a ~25% win ratio. And I have no clue what my APM is, but I'm sure it's quite low. So, chances are you'll fit right in ^_^

Although, the two best players in the tournament weren't available to play, and they probably would've mopped the floor with me given the chance. If I'm lucky maybe I'll find Battousai or Nekofrog in the irc channel some day and we can play some matches =D

[JadeAuto]

My APM is around 45~50.

I'd love to do another OCR tourney if there's enough interest. :)

[Garian]

hey guys, brushfire agreed to cast with tensei if we had videos recorded of the replays. i'd rather one of you two do the recording so that the commentary remains funky fresh and the results aren't spoiled for everyone, but i might be able to figure something out soon enough. the only issue afterward would be streaming the video to both guys for recording and reacting to one another but we can cross that hurdle sooner or later.

also the second tournament should NOT be run by me, i'm terrible at managing my time... but i suppose i could do it :V

[friendlyHunter]

hey guys, brushfire agreed to cast with tensei if we had videos recorded of the replays. i'd rather one of you two do the recording so that the commentary remains funky fresh and the results aren't spoiled for everyone, but i might be able to figure something out soon enough. the only issue afterward would be streaming the video to both guys for recording and reacting to one another but we can cross that hurdle sooner or later.

Is that how it was done for the other game that was cast, the video was recorded first? Hmm, might be tricky to figure out what to center the camera on, but technically I can do it. But ideally the casters would want to be able to move the camera wherever they want to see what's actually going on.

Actually, what might work best is if the two casters open the replay in SC and pause it immediately, and then do a countdown in the voice chat - "5, 4, 3, 2, 1, NOW!" and they both start the replay at exactly the same time. That way they'll be able to see what's going on on the entire map, see the players' tech, etc, instead of just where the fights are taking place. But that might be tricky to pull off, because for some stupid reason the replay starts at the "fast" speed instead of "fastest", so the commentators will have to sync their two "speed up" button presses as well. Actually, that'll probably sync it close enough.

And... and then AFTER the commentary's done, someone can record a video of the replay with the audio commentary, starting the replay and turning the speed up at exactly the same time the casters did, and centering the camera on what the casters are actually talking about. Whether it's me or Jade or one of the casters who does this, it doesn't matter, but that would be ideal. Actually, if we get a third (possibly silent) person to join in the casting and hear the live audio, they can record the video DURING the casting.


also the second tournament should NOT be run by me, i'm terrible at managing my time... but i suppose i could do it :V
Haha, I'm terrible at managing my free time, but I'd probably spend TOO MUCH time in this thread if I were to run the competition =p

[Red Shadow]

that is exceptionally complicated fh

[friendlyHunter]

Yes, but only because I explained it badly, since I came up with the idea as I was typing it and didn't want to erase everything I had typed five times. :nicework: Here's the short version:


1. The 2 casters plus the "camera guy" all fire up the audio chat thingy, one guy does a countdown and everyone starts their replays at exactly the same time.
2. ???
3. Profit!


Even if the video is recorded first, there still needs to be a countdown or syncing of the visuals for all parties involved. The only added complexity of casting inside SC as opposed a pre-recorded video is:
- All parties must pause the replay as soon as it starts (as easy as pressing the pause button on the keyboard)
- Game speed must be changed from "fast" to "fastest" (and that can easily be synced by having multiple small countdowns instead of just one countdown)

And the benefits of this are:
- The casters actually know what's going on in the match and have something to talk about besides terrible terrible damage. This is good, unless the casters want to be just as surprised as I was when JadeAuto ********************************* and *********************.
- Alternatively, the guy recording the video can record the stuff that's good to watch, as opposed to constantly checking out what we're building and researching.

[vega12]

I'm definitely in for the next tournament. I'm still disappointed in myself for losing in the 2nd round, so I want to do better next time. Thanks for your work organizing this tournament, Garian!

And to answer that question, my APM is 90-120 for my main, Protoss, and like 70-80 for the other two races.

[Garian]

yeah i'm absolutely retarded. i think what we'll need to do is have a third party play 'cameraman' and stream the video from their computer through something like VLC to tensei and brushfire, as well as record the stream so we could sync up the commentary with the camera work. alternatively we could record the camerawork before hand but it would take away from some of the spontaneity of a "live recording."

[friendlyHunter]

yeah i'm absolutely retarded. i think what we'll need to do is have a third party play 'cameraman' and stream the video from their computer through something like VLC to tensei and brushfire, as well as record the stream so we could sync up the commentary with the camera work. alternatively we could record the camerawork before hand but it would take away from some of the spontaneity of a "live recording."

Naw, I'm just saying that the casters should be able to see whatever they want on the map, as opposed to just the tiny area that the camera guy is recording. Sending or streaming a video of any kind, no matter how live, will not solve this.

Normally I wouldn't care, but that final match makes no damn sense unless you know what's going on behind the scenes, away from the action.

Also I don't want to end up in video-sound-syncing hell; I've been there several times, and it's not pretty. :?

[Tensei]

140-160 apm terran, 110-130 zerg/toss

Also I don't know about casting, it seems like too much of a hassle to set up at the moment.

Also you people are thinking too complicated: I can record the replay using aviscreen and just record post-commentary :/

Also brushfire would be a terrible co-commenter because he would just be making fun of me for knowing that much about mechanics.

If I'm lucky maybe I'll find Battousai or Nekofrog in the irc channel some day and we can play some matches =D

Also my Terran is better than both of them >=|

[friendlyHunter]

Also you people are thinking too complicated: I can record the replay using aviscreen and just record post-commentary :/
Ah, if you don't want to do it "live" style, then that's perfect =)


Also my Terran is better than both of them >=|
Awesome, then I'll have to play you again too :nicework:

[Battousai]

Also I don't know about casting, it seems like too much of a hassle to set up at the moment.

Also you people are thinking too complicated...

Also my Terran is better than both of them >=|

Agreed on all counts. Tensei would wipe the floor with either me or Neko.