Chrono Trigger: Chrono Symphonic - History

[Last Crusader]

well, so i dont keep my hopes up, I'm just allready expecting this album to come out in about 2 more years.

I agree. And thankfully I still believe it'll be worth the wait.

[paperCrane]

I've been hearing about Chrono Symphonic while catching up on VGDJ podcasts and finally decided to check it out. Lo and behold, there is no website....

[Subz1987]

I've been hearing about Chrono Symphonic while catching up on VGDJ podcasts and finally decided to check it out. Lo and behold, there is no website....

Website's down for a while... it'll be back

[operawonderdude]

So uhmmm...what happened to your guys'
website n' stuff? I get a 404 error when I
Go to it. Hmmmm...

[Zeality]

Sorry to interrupt with something trivial, but

Eon_Blue

is the last person remaining for the interview questions. Since he's moving and all, I'm simply posting this as a last ditch attention-getter.

Well, I guess he's second to last, since I haven't heard from mv either. But I didnt' get answers in May from mv, so my hopes aren't that high.

[Jillian Aversa]

You can always try posting in mv's livejournal if you're desperate, Zeality. PM me if you want the username. ^_~

[Zeality]

zircon said after my post that he'd try and get in touch with him for me, so it should be good.

[DrumUltimA]

You can always try posting in mv's livejournal if you're desperate, Zeality. PM me if you want the username. ^_~

IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT

[Eon_Blue]

Sorry to interrupt with something trivial, but

Eon_Blue

is the last person remaining for the interview questions. Since he's moving and all, I'm simply posting this as a last ditch attention-getter.

Well, I guess he's second to last, since I haven't heard from mv either. But I didnt' get answers in May from mv, so my hopes aren't that high.

Eh?

Ok, I'll PM my responses. The questions didn't come through my email properly (I had to view source to read them - I think I'm getting rid of that email altogether).

There was also a PM I sent to Claado regarding the album art that I needed an answer to before I moved forward.

Edit: I've forwarded what I feel to be the final versions of the album art. I don't currently have a printer to test them on though.

[mikelee]

Sorry if this is off-topic at all, but I was looking at the site (and the album art) and noticed that the track "The Final Battle" no longer belongs to PLBenjaminZ (on the site) and seems to be a different remix altogether (according to the album art).

If I missed anything about this in the preceding hundred pages of this thread, my apologies, but what happened to this track? It was actually one of my favorites out of the WIP's, despite it being very obviously a WIP.

[Compyfox]

If I'm not mistaken (from the files on my HDD), "The Last Battle" wasn't finished and then there was a HDD crash involved from the side of PLBenjamin. He's still on the project with "Denadoro Climb" however.

[SirRus]

i had a dream last night that i was downloading Chrono Symphonic.

it was a wet dream.

(im serious about sentence 1 and facetious about sentence 2 although I wouldn't have been surprised).

[Zeality]

Has anyone attempted a short chronology of the project? I can add it to the sidebar in the Extravaganza. Speaking of which, I now have updated interviews for all the regular remixers. I'm still trying to track down Unknown, though.

[Compyfox]

One thing:
Release is not Sep 29th anymore, but more like "december 2005"


Nevermind the pic, it's huge, but it's (finally?) in there. (just thought it might be at the top)

[Fusilliban]

http://chrono.ocremix.org[/url]]Big image that says 'GOTCHA.' (http://starzander.webhosting.tant102.mine.nu/_gotcha_/logo.jpg)
404. The requested address is no longer available within the realm of tant102.mine.nu's servers.

:(

[StarZander]

http://chrono.ocremix.org[/url]]Big image that says 'GOTCHA.' (http://starzander.webhosting.tant102.mine.nu/_gotcha_/logo.jpg)
404. The requested address is no longer available within the realm of tant102.mine.nu's servers.

:(

Lost my account at that place, so it's on a temporary mirror until a better place to upload it is presented. Noone has redirected that address yet, that's all. The temporary mirror is here:



http://xthost.info/starzander/Chrono/

[Claado Shou]

I PMed DJP about switching the addy a few days ago but apparently he doesn't like the PM route, so I will attempt to get that changed another way. For now, just standby.

~.C.S.~

[KyleJCrb]

I PMed DJP about switching the addy a few days ago but apparently he doesn't like the PM route, so I will attempt to get that changed another way. For now, just standby.

~.C.S.~

IRC is the best way to get a hold of him, so if you can get into #ocremix on ETG, you can talk to him there.

[Fusilliban]

If this is a regular problem, it might be best to also acquire an address at DynDNS (http://www.dyndns.org).

[Claado Shou]

IRC is the best way to get a hold of him, so if you can get into #ocremix on ETG, you can talk to him there.

Sweet. Thanks.

If this is a regular problem, it might be best to also acquire an address at DynDNS.

It's really StarZander's show, in regards to where and what website to get. I just tell him what goes up there, so I'll leave all this kind of stuff to him.

~.C.S.~

[Kal aMari]

Cannot find server - The page cannot be displayed

;_;

[Compyfox]

Dudes... if you'd read at least one time that there's a mirror, read the posts from the last couple of pages, it's mentioned there at least 3 times.

[Fusilliban]

As someone who only recently found this thread, I find the prospect of reading all 100 pages of its 14-month history extremely daunting. Where I'm from, pertinent information such as 'here's the new, actually-up link to the website' gets edited in to the first post so it can be found easily.

That said, it *is* good etiquette to read at least the last couple of pages before posting, if not the entire thread.

[herograw]

Ya know, you guys could have (at just about any time) made a mirror at the subdomain I provided. It's hosting most of the linked media anyways.

just a thought...

[Claado Shou]

Alright, some updates:

1) The project will be released next week. Exact date is unknown, but it'll be before the weekend. And more importantly, before Christmas. Yay!
2) The website is going to be transported to a new server, a reliable one, and all that jazz. You'll like it, I promise. StarZander does, at least.
3) The Special Edition of the project will be a little late (Compy has some more stuff to work out), but it will be forthcoming. As such, updates will as well.

And now, to all MIRRORERS:

PLEASE BE READY THIS WEEKEND AND IN THE NEXT WEEK TO RECEIVE LINKS FROM ME FOR THE TRACKS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A MIRRORER OR NOT, CHECK THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT POST.

That is all. For now...

~.C.S.~

[KyleJCrb]

*prepares for a major influx of bandwidth usage*

READY CAP'N!

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

Alright, some updates:

1) The project will be released next week. Exact date is unknown, but it'll be before the weekend. And more importantly, before Christmas. Yay!


You, sir, are a LIAR. We both know it's more like next Christmas, Memorial Day at best ;)

[Compyfox]

Well looks like I'm on my old schedules with "nights put through". I just did some final tweaks for "Schala and the Queen", also for "To Far Away Times", finished a bonus track earlier that day (waiting for aproval from the creator). Now I'm on to "Manifest Destiny" that SirRus and I reconstructed.

It's 1:26am atm, I try to stay up till 6am/7am, then sleep a bit, grab a snack, watch Ninja Turtles (at 4pm) and then back to work. And that till the releasedate.


Stay tuned, you don't have to wait that long anymore.

[Fusilliban]

I don't have the bandwidth for a full mirror, but I'll happily help seed any BitTorrent that comes out.

[I.Medley]

Well looks like I'm on my old schedules with "nights put through". I just did some final tweaks for "Schala and the Queen", also for "To Far Away Times", finished a bonus track earlier that day (waiting for aproval from the creator). Now I'm on to "Manifest Destiny" that SirRus and I reconstructed.

It's 1:26am atm, I try to stay up till 6am/7am, then sleep a bit, grab a snack, watch Ninja Turtles (at 4pm) and then back to work. And that till the releasedate.


Stay tuned, you don't have to wait that long anymore.

Wow, you really are putting in a lot of work into making this project sound excellent.

Keep up the hard work! Make sure not to overexert yourself.

I am looking forward to this.

[Eon_Blue]

Hey, there should be a listening party on IRC or something.

Give everyone some time to download, then play through all the tracks together while chatting.

That'd be pretty cool, but we'd need to coordinate.

[Aurora Firestorm]

I'll be checking this thread every single day of next week. :)

[Patrick Burns]

Well looks like I'm on my old schedules with "nights put through". I just did some final tweaks for "Schala and the Queen", also for "To Far Away Times", finished a bonus track earlier that day (waiting for aproval from the creator). Now I'm on to "Manifest Destiny" that SirRus and I reconstructed.

It's 1:26am atm, I try to stay up till 6am/7am, then sleep a bit, grab a snack, watch Ninja Turtles (at 4pm) and then back to work. And that till the releasedate.


Stay tuned, you don't have to wait that long anymore.

Glad to see you're getting SOME rest. Tired ears don't help.

[Compyfox]

Well breaks every other hours are essential. I can work on stuff for a couple of hours straight. But in terms of mixing, it's a bit different.

[herograw]

I HAVE 500GB OF BANDWIDTH TO WASTE AND WILL BE VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED IF ALL OF IT ISN'T USED UP BEFORE JANUARY

[Claado Shou]

I HAVE 500GB OF BANDWIDTH TO WASTE AND WILL BE VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED IF ALL OF IT ISN'T USED UP BEFORE JANUARY

As will I. We'd better get some mad-crazyyyyyyy downloading going on, or I'll be fairly unhappy. This had better break OCR Site Project records.

I'll be checking this thread every single dayof next week.

As I said before, I'll inform you all as SOON as I have the finished files, and you'll be well aware of times and all that jazz.

~.C.S.~

[Jillian Aversa]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[Arek the Absolute]

Dang it...there goes some mirror support for my project.
Haha, oh well. Good shit, good shit. I expect myself to be quite pleased with this soundtrack.

[Terial]

the internet will soon expierince one of its few, yet tremendous hiccups when this is released...

[Compyfox]

ARG THAT Fsk*n SH*T! <continues coursing and swearing but with massive beeps>

Three hours of work on "Manifest Destiny", bouncing (which took almost an hour), mixing, finding a major bug in Cubase (yay) and then... I realise that I recorded at the wrong bpm! The ending is getting a bpm degration and I totally forgot that. Somehow Cubase removed the master bpm settings and all got recorded at 105bpm.

F*CK!

Such issues slow other things down. At least Cubase didn't crash in the middle of chosing samples and writing sections, as it did last night.

Yay... short past midnight. Oh how will I love the next 7 hours of work on that track. *sigh*

You see... it's not always working how it should be. And I wanted to write that off my soul.

[sephfire]

*pats Compy's head*
we all feel for ya buddy. :(

[Claado Shou]

No worries. Compy assures me we'll be good to go next week, and I have every confidence in his wanting to get this the HELL out of the way.

Good stuff.

~.C.S.~

[Bongo Bill]

Gasp! It's an Atheist-Kids-Get-Presents Day miracle!

[KWarp]

Yay! It's coming out.. again. :P

[Chef]

What does the special edition have that the normal does not?

[Arek the Absolute]

What does the special edition have that the normal does not?
My comments on how the project kicks ass.
It is a hidden easter egg.

[KyleJCrb]

What does the special edition have that the normal does not?

It is, how you say...A secret to everyone.

[Sleepy Emp]

Oh yes!

[Claado Shou]

Yay! It's coming out.. again. :P

Hush, you. :oops:

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

Alright... I know that waiting is cruel, and giving you a teaser too, but I'll do it anyway. Now sit down and please take a listen:

:arrow: Chrono Symphonic Sneak Peek (http://www.studio-compyfox.de/Chrono_Symphonic_Sneak_Peek.mp3) (2:09min, mp3, 2,5MB)

This is a small insight of how the sound of Chrono Symphonic changed compared to the old available versions. One thing to keep in mind though (it's also written in the ID3v2 tags, but just in case):


This sneak peek doesn't necessarily reflect the final product! Final changes are still in progress.

It's as with game/movie trailers. Sometimes there's a scene in it that's not in the final release. Can happen in terms of mixing, too. See it more like as "temporal timestamp". BTW: All used tracks are already the new mixes, who just need final treatment.

Have fun while listening.

[sephfire]

accent FTW. :lol:

I'm beside myself with anticipation.

[Compyfox]

At least it's not "ze prooojeckt" or something like that, yo. ;)

*everyone digs my accent... what the hell?!*

[Antelucan]

I'm beside myself with anticipation.

[Aurora Firestorm]

I am drowning in drool. The voices in Schala and the Queen! They make me melt with total happiness and awe and ALL THAT. I am dancing in my chair! I was hoping it would be even cooler than before. The way-back-when WIP was awesome, but this...WHOA.

You all own the world. All you people that helped. :)

Do the lyrics mean anything in another language?

(And your accent is cool. You sound so much happier compared to you yelling at us to shut up about release dates ;))

[Compyfox]

The lyrics are in japanese and the translation (or the original english ones) will be released along with the track. If you think this sounds already good, then wait till the final version (cause I'm still working on it, among with other tracks).

And be happy that you don't hear me shouting to keep quiet, even though I could record that. heh.

[Ice Dragon]

I have a question. Will there be a bittorrent of this project? Will there be a bittorrent with lossless files?

[KyleJCrb]

I have a question. Will there be a bittorrent of this project? Will there be a bittorrent with lossless files?

I think I can safely say yes, and yes, respectively.

[Trenthian]

wow...

from the one comparison, its obvious that all the haters about "omg roland is taking forever," or "compy is messing up the tracks" need to STFU right now.


its an incredible difference.

[sephfire]

wow...

from the one comparison, its obvious that all the haters about "omg roland is taking forever," or "compy is messing up the tracks" need to STFU right now.


its an incredible difference.

Definitely. Next week can't come soon enough. It will have been worth every week of waiting before it.

[Jillian Aversa]

Your accent is adorable, Compy! ^o^ Thanks for the teaser!

[SirRus]

yeah dude killer accent.

[The Dual Dragons]

The lyrics are in japanese and the translation (or the original english ones) will be released along with the track. If you think this sounds already good, then wait till the final version (cause I'm still working on it, among with other tracks).

And be happy that you don't hear me shouting to keep quiet, even though I could record that. heh.

wow.. so we have Vocalists in here that can sing in Japanese?.. thats amazing and very interesting as Im thinking of composing a J-Pop/Fantasy song.
Anyways, this track really sounds promising, It sounded very nice.. and Im sure it will be a great release! :D

[Spoom]

Someone has to send a link when this is released to Yasunori Mitsuda, I think he'd really like it.

Really looking forward to the release of this. I have a feeling the tracks will be staying on my playlist for a long time. Great work Compy.

[ellywu2]

Sounding good as always compy :)

Ok, i was looking on the internet and i came across this..

http://videogameslive.com/index.php?story=22

basically it says
"That was just... wow. Amazing! Me and my friends cornered Tommy before he got inside and had a chat with him about OCRemix and the Chrono Symphonic CD. I got a hug (and an autograph) from him! *fanboys over it and drools*. Definitely coming back next year. Best night of my life."

Was that someone here? or are there random people talking to tommy tallarico about CS?
either way woo publicity!

[Claado Shou]

Tommy Tallarico knows about Chrono Symphonic? Really?

That's perhaps the coolest thing I've ever heard. Only slightly better would be Yasunori Mitsuda e-mailing me about the project. I would die.

Holy sh*t this is badass. Thanks for the link, ellywu. Sweetness.

I have a question. Will there be a bittorrent of this project? Will there be a bittorrent with lossless files?

The torrent will be lossless files (if memory serves...) and the downloads from the site will be MP3, for ease of download. Compy has that all wrapped up in a box shrouded in secrecy and an enigma here and there, but it will be high-quality stuff no matter how it rolls. Eh?

(P.S. No, I'm not Canadian. I'm from Delaware. Feast on that juicy tidbit.:roll:)

~.C.S.~

[Ice Dragon]

I must have listened to that comparison 30 times trying to get a clear idea of the difference. Tell me if I'm not too far off, but it sounds like the music has a bit more depth to it, with the treble being clearer and the bass more defined. From the small snipit it's hard to tell how much of an overall difference to the quality of the sound this process has done, but I imagine it will be significant. Hopefully all the songs will mirror the quality of that small snipit :)

[Zeality]

If anyone is in contact with Unknown, he is the last person I need for an interview. The new Extravaganza is almost complete; all the remixers have added new questions, and the ones who were left out of May's Extravaganza are featured now.

[Compyfox]

I must have listened to that comparison 30 times trying to get a clear idea of the difference. Tell me if I'm not too far off, but it sounds like the music has a bit more depth to it, with the treble being clearer and the bass more defined. From the small snipit it's hard to tell how much of an overall difference to the quality of the sound this process has done, but I imagine it will be significant. Hopefully all the songs will mirror the quality of that small snipit :)

Well significant changes are the panning and mix in general. I just messed with "Manifest Destiny" that was hard to reconstruct (still working on it, as I also work on "Schala and the Queen"). Compared to the original it has a completely different mix in terms of volume (instruments) and panning.

And this counts to almost all tracks. Of course you can't get the "very same sound", but I tried to get a unity out of everything.


And Tommy Talarico is interested in C.S.?
Woha! Even more preasure. I also contacted Bob Katz as I started working on it. Leading audioengineer in terms of mastering standards. Oh... hell... yeah...

[Blake]

Sounding good as always compy :)

Ok, i was looking on the internet and i came across this..

http://videogameslive.com/index.php?story=22

basically it says
"That was just... wow. Amazing! Me and my friends cornered Tommy before he got inside and had a chat with him about OCRemix and the Chrono Symphonic CD. I got a hug (and an autograph) from him! *fanboys over it and drools*. Definitely coming back next year. Best night of my life."

Was that someone here? or are there random people talking to tommy tallarico about CS?
either way woo publicity!

I was the one who talked to him about OCReMix and Chrono Symphonic, but not the one who hugged him. It was probably my friend John. There is another person who was there with me who's on these boards (COUGH COGH operawonderdude). Boards are down so I don't know who posted it.

[Claado Shou]

Updated the front page. The release is now THIS WEEK (as per it being Sunday), and (now don't quote me on this) the projected release date is December 22, this Thursday night, EST. Yet again, PROJECTED, so don't make plans quite yet.

Also, I figure I should give you all something to chew on:

WHICH PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED SONG ARE YOU WAITING TO HEAR THE MOST?

>Track 05 - Darkness Dueling (LunarHeart)
>Track 06 - Lucca's Arrival (Zas)
>Track 07 - Revelation of Fire (Claado Shou)
>Track 08 - Hymn of Valor (Red Omen)
>Track 14 - Door to the End of Time (Blake Perdue) [to be posted on release date]
>Track 17 - The Third Guru (Claado Shou)
>Track 18 - Beneath the Surface (Rellik)
>Track 20 - Crono's Dream (DarkeSword)
>Track 22 - A Parting of Ways (Unknown)
>Track 23 - The Last Stand (RoeTaKa)
>Track 24 - The New Beginning (Sleepy Emp)

Please post some responses.

~.C.S.~

[extrakun]

The Last Stand would be neat...

[The Joker]

A Parting of Ways!

[Compyfox]

Well I know all tracks, so I'm out of the race. What I want to hear the most though, is a well engineered thing, and a good balance.

Some tracks were driving me nuts while in.depth engineering. Seriously.

[Aurora Firestorm]

Revelation of Fire or Lucca's Arrival. It's about time someone did something good with Lucca's theme. It's an under-appreciated piece of music.

Also, even though it was previously released, I can't wait for the improved version of Confronting the Mystic. The melody was so buried in drums last time -- is it still drowned out like that? The melody was the best part of the original song...

[Compyfox]

I guess I let sephire take care of that (along with the collab with him and SirRus). Also have an ear out for "Schala and the Queen" (now that I finished it) and "Manifest Destiny" (which also was just completely reconstructed).

Some tracks couldn't be reconstructed or improved in terms of postproduction, due to HDD crashes, already deleted files, etc:
Track 09: Frog's Intervention (ellywu2)
Track 21: The Chrono Trigger (Russell Cox)
SE02: In Search of Light (SirRus - still hope he get's to me in time)
SE03: Determination (or Determinded) - PLBenjaminZ

So, sorry if they will sound a bit out of place in the final product.

[Zeality]

Darkesword's Crono's Dream. I can't lie; it will have the Ocean Palace in there.

[ProjectSpam]

Door to the End of Time... I've always wanted to hear that great, underrated track ReMixed.

[DarkeSword]

Darkesword's Crono's Dream. I can't lie; it will have the Ocean Palace in there.

I think you're confused. Crono's Dream didn't have the Ocean Palace in it. I did, however, do a piece for this project that arranges the Ocean Palace theme.

[Claado Shou]

Darkesword's Crono's Dream. I can't lie; it will have the Ocean Palace in there.

Uh...I think you mean "The Rising". "Crono's Dream" has Morning Sunlight and Peaceful Day as the themes. Also, Rellik's piece is entirely Undersea Palace (plus some GREAT rearrangement) and all that.

Also, when you said "Lucca's theme" above, Aurora Firestorm, which song off of the ST is that? There is no song named that. Also, "Revelation of Fire" uses The Hidden Truth/Singing Mountain, and "Lucca's Arrival" uses Far Off Promise/Battle with Magus. So if it's not one of those...sorry.

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

I guess it's about time you list what track covers what theme, Claado.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

pixie's japanese singing has improved.

this stomps all over project chaos. :wink:

[KyleJCrb]

Now that I know what theme it covers, I'm totally down with Beneath the Surface.

On a related subject: Who did Schala's theme? :P

[Arek the Absolute]

Good job guys. You got it done nicely. I give you props for all the hard work you put into it.
Can't wait for the release *and release show by larry* :)

[Claado Shou]

I guess it's about time you list what track covers what theme, Claado.

Don't WORRY...it's all taken care of. When StarZander gets the new site layout up and running (on the new server, BTW) then you all will see the plethora of info provided. And more than just source tunes, too...well, you'll see.

As for the songs with Schala, Tracks 16 and 19 both include Schala's Theme. It wasn't heavily used in the project, but Track 16 REALLY uses it, so...should be good.

~.C.S.~

[Jillian Aversa]

pixie's japanese singing has improved.

this stomps all over project chaos. :wink:
A year (so far) of studying and singing in the language-plus my summer in Japan- would help, eh? Yay for obsessions! ^_^

[OmegaDonut]

"Lucca's Arrival", simply because it contains Battle with Magus. I'm a sucker for Magus' theme song. ^_^

About the mirrors, though... I want to be able to get the tracks to my friend so he can set up the mirror before the release. Is there going to be enough time before the release date for the mirror set-up?

[Rellik]

http://tinypic.com/fekw34.jpg

Secret anti-semitic/stereotyping message, or something else?

:P (emoticon means I'm assuming it's the latter)

Anyway, really looking forward to the final release. Should be a cool release with lots and lots of publicity and fan-mail and such - so much anticipation! And I want to hear how Compyfox made my track sound!!

[Compyfox]

Ah I can't decide (but I have to) which room (fingerprint/convolution) I will chose for the files. That's why I asked the mixers for "clean versions".

I'm still thinking about the following halls/recording environments. Thought of something like Sydney Opera Hall or something similar like the Atherton Auditorium from the Delta College in Stockton, CA. But that adds a too strongs and agressive reverb trail.

Hard to decide, but these are the halls I'm thinking off (and will test the next couple of hours):


SMA - Cello Studio - Los Angeles, CA
SMA - Todd-AO Scoring Stage, Los Angeles, CA

MED - 350 seat hall (don't know where it's from)
MED - Arts & Science Building, Utrecht Conservatory, Netherlands
MED - Clairmont Hall - Tel Aviv University Academy of Music, Israel
MED - Ingram Hall - Blair School of Music, Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN
MED - Philips Hall, Netherlands
MED - Wisseloord Studios, Netherland

MED/BIG - Atherton Auditorium - Delta College, Stockton, CA
MED/BIG - Promenadikeskus Concert Hall, Pori, Finland
MED/BIG - Ryman Auditorium (Grand Ole Opry), Nashville Tennesse
MED/BIG - Stanforn Dinkelspiel Auditorium, Stanford University, CA

BIG - Amsterdam Concertgebouw, Netherlands
BIG - Vredenburg Hall, Utrecht, Netherlands

*BIG - Large Environment
*MED - Medium Size
*SMA - Small Size


Still hard to decide, ain't it? I'll keep you updated on what environment I actually used (I have some favourites, but nothing set yet). One thing's for sure... it will be "subtile", not full bled over everything. It still is a "digital produced soundtrack" after all. ;)

[watkinzez]

Beneath the Surface, even though Rellik's too lazy to think up an original name (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01242/). :wink:

[Rellik]

Beneath the Surface, even though Rellik's too lazy to think up an original name (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01242/). :wink:

But I didn't come up with that name! :( I'd just been calling it "Chrono Trigger Undersea Thing"

[Aurora Firestorm]

By "Lucca's Theme," I meant the fanfare music. Well, it does come on just about every time Lucca does something. Pity that no one ever uses it. *shrug* It would be interesting to see someone do something with it.

Nevertheless, I'm such as sucker for Magus' theme, so I'll take Lucca's Arrival anyway ;)

[Compyfox]

Okay, after a couple of testhearings I ran into big trouble. You know... a good hall/reverb is like finding the needle in hay. But sometimes the hay also stings. And this is my problem.

I narrowed it down to 6 Halls/Environments and I can't decide. Guess it'll be a close run. One reverb works good on the vocal tracks, but then it's too less on the other arrangements (even though reverbless some samplepacks like EWQL Silver, GIGA or Garritan have a prerecorded reverb). On some arrangements it sounds totally awesome, then it's piercing on the vocals and mud them up. *sigh*

Again... a long night, and I guess the next days will be made through or something like that.

Narrowed it down to these:


SMA - Todd-AO Scoring Stage, Los Angeles, CA

MED - Arts & Science Building, Utrecht Conservatory, Netherlands
MED - Philips Hall, Netherlands

MED/BIG - Atherton Auditorium - Delta College, Stockton, CA
MED/BIG - Promenadikeskus Concert Hall, Pori, Finland

BIG - Vredenburg Hall, Utrecht, Netherlands

*BIG - Large Environment
*MED - Medium Size
*SMA - Small Size


Like I said... hard to decide. I like all sounds, but in the end, it can only be one "hall".


BTW Rellik:
Everytime I read you name, I have to think of "Beneath the Surface" from Machinae Supremacy. But it's okay. Both are great tracks. One of it is just more... depressing and rock-like though. heh.

[watkinzez]

Beneath the Surface, even though Rellik's too lazy to think up an original name (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01242/). :wink:

But I didn't come up with that name! :( I'd just been calling it "Chrono Trigger Undersea Thing"

Well, that's an infinitely better name already.

[KyleJCrb]

BTW Rellik:
Everytime I read you name, I have to think of "Beneath the Surface" from Machinae Supremacy. But it's okay. Both are great tracks. One of it is just more... depressing and rock-like though. heh.

Good call. I was about to mention that.

[Claado Shou]

I came up with "Beneath the Surface". No, I've never heard either of those other songs named the same thing. And it's a great name for the song. Whatcha gonna do about it?

As for the themes used...well, I guess I can give you guys that small treat. The rest will be saved for later.

1) Inciting Incident - Presentiment, Chrono Trigger
2) Morning Sunlight - Morning Sunlight, Peaceful Day, Wind Scene, At The Bottom of Night
3) Blue Skies Over Guardia - Guardia Millennial Fair
4) To Lands Unknown - A Strange Happening, Magus' Castle
5) Darkness Dueling - Battle 1
6) Lucca's Arrival - Far Off Promise
7) Revelation of Fire - The Hidden Truth, Singing Mountain
8) Hymn of Valor - Courage and Pride, Wind Scene, Frog's Theme
9) Frog's Intervention - Frog's Theme
10) Denadoro Climb - Wind Scene
11) The Masamune - Frog's Theme
12) Darkest Omen - Black Dream
13) Confronting the Mystic - Battle with Magus, Lavos' Theme
14) Door to the End of Time - The Brink of Time, Frog’s Theme, Wind Scene, Lavos’ Theme, Peaceful Day
15) Manifest Destiny - Corridors of Time
16) Schala and the Queen - The Day the World Revived, Schala’s Theme, Corridors of Time, Battle with Magus, Last Battle
17) The Third Guru - Sealed Door, Wings That Cross Time
18) Beneath the Surface - Undersea Palace
19) The Rising - Undersea Palace, Battle with Magus, Schala's Theme
20) Crono's Dream - Morning Sunlight, Peaceful Day
21) The Chrono Trigger - At The Bottom of Night, Far Off Promise
22) A Parting of Ways - Battle with Magus
23) The Last Stand - Battle 1, Battle 2, Boss Battle 1, Boss Battle 2, Last Battle, Chrono Trigger
24) The New Beginning - Peaceful Day, Millennial Fair, Frog’s Theme, People Seized With Life (Chrono Cross), The Frozen Flame (Chrono Cross/Radical Dreamers)
25) To Far Away Times - To Far Away Times

That should whet your appetite, peeps.

~.C.S.~

[Rellik]

How about:

"Thunder on the Ocean Floor"

"Lights Beneath the Salt Foam"

"Storm in the Lightless Sea"

"Enter the Silent Deep"

[KyleJCrb]

5) Darkness Dueling - Battle 1

And for this I say thank you.

[Aurora Firestorm]

So much Magus' Theme. That just rules. The Last Stand seems pretty neat -- all the battle themes together.

Whoa, A Parting of Ways is solely Magus' theme? Nice...can't wait to hear!

[Antelucan]

24) The New Beginning - Peaceful Day, Millennial Fair, Frog’s Theme, People Seized With Life (Chrono Cross), The Frozen Flame (Chrono Cross/Radical Dreamers)
I'm intrigued by the cameo appearance of some Cross themes in this song. :)

[mikelee]

Okay, after a couple of testhearings I ran into big trouble. You know... a good hall/reverb is like finding the needle in hay. But sometimes the hay also stings. And this is my problem.

I narrowed it down to 6 Halls/Environments and I can't decide. Guess it'll be a close run. One reverb works good on the vocal tracks, but then it's too less on the other arrangements (even though reverbless some samplepacks like EWQL Silver, GIGA or Garritan have a prerecorded reverb). On some arrangements it sounds totally awesome, then it's piercing on the vocals and mud them up. *sigh*

Again... a long night, and I guess the next days will be made through or something like that.

Narrowed it down to these:

-snip-

Like I said... hard to decide. I like all sounds, but in the end, it can only be one "hall".

Hmm, maybe I'm not sufficiently well-versed in audio engeering to understand why you can't have more than one hall, but I feel like using more than one would certainly take care of the problem of pre-recorded reverb on the instruments and the fact that you have vocals on only some tracks (I definitely have classical albums where the pieces were recorded in different places, particularly albums where there are different scale ensembles, like orchestra vs. string ensemble vs. chamber group).

However, if you definitely have to stick with one, maybe it would be better to stick with something more conservative (like a midsized one) to mitigate the adverse effects you're describing. Just a thought. Other than that, I defintely would like to see the one that gives you the best acoustics (i.e., a hall that was designed with symphonic music in mind). The university I go to has a performance hall that has exactly this problem -- its acoustics are terrible for a symphony orchestra as it's designed more for talks and addresses. On the other hand, the school my brother went to has a good music school and thus has a performance hall that sounds great when a symphony orchestra plays in it.

Just thought I'd share my two cents on the matter.

- Mike

[Compyfox]

Well after blasting my ears for the last 6 hours, I'm still not sure what to use. But I pinned it down to three stages:

- Vredenburg Hall, Ultrecht, Netherlands (a large orchestra hall)
- Philips Hall, Netherlands (a 400 seats hall, fairly neutral sounding)
- Todd-AO Scoring Stage, Los Angeles, CA (well known recording environment for soundtracks)


Each have their advantages and disadvantages. The Vredenburg for example sounds very rich if I use the "center to far" setup (18m away from the soundstage, omni mics, 8m apart) but muds up the vocals with that setup (unless I customise it which takes hours). The Philips hall sounds nice and dry for everything (the Promenadikeskus is even better), maybe a bit too dry for some tracks. And the Todd-AO is fairly harsh and I need to turn the reverb up a lot to add "flavour" to some tracks.

I wanted to use the "Promenadikeskus Concert Hall" (also around 350 seats) in Porj, Finland. But those samples are only for "non commercial use".

Then again... it's a free videogame soundtrack project. Not to mention that all Orchestras are synthetic... *headscratch*

*sigh* I guess i'll decide in the last minute as soon as I get up again.

[Spoom]

Well, assuming there are no plans to license the original music from Square Enix and sell the album, I would think a "non-commercial use only" soundstage would be fine.

And for my choice of track, I choose Track 24 - The New Beginning (Sleepy Emp) because I recently played through Radical Dreamers again and the music is familiar. ;^)

[Compyfox]

Well I just realised that I have to "think different" (what a slogan) anyway. I can't simply go and layer a master reverb over the vocal tracks. That'd totally mud up the long and carefully engineered vocals up (the realization comes always last). I have to go "in depth" here - which is fairly easy as I have vocals and piano/orchestra seperated.

And now the fun starts again: Which soundstage.

Then again... now I can use smaller ones. And for this, the perfect solutions would be (in order of size):
- Promenadikeskus Concert Hall, Porj, Finland
- Philips Hall, Netherlands
- Todd-AO Scoring Stage, Los Angeles, CA

*starting biggest to smallest*

Still not easier to chose from. But now I can focus on certain sounds: Small Orchestra recordings compared to Film/Game Score recordings.

And there goes the night for me. I'll keep you updated.


EDIT:
OMG VGDJ (www.vgdj.net) was just released with the trailer of Chrono Symphonic... and it sounds sooooo different. *not to mention that SatQ was changed about 3 times since then*

[ZenithYoda]

Since I don't wanna read all the pages, has there been any talk of if there is gonna be a torrent for this?

It looks like you have enough mirrors, but I like bittorrent....

[Compyfox]

A torrent will be available.

[ZenithYoda]

wow, quick answer. I like bittorent since it makes me feel like I am giving back and not a grubby pirate like I used to be.

[Sleepy Emp]

I vote for "The Last Stand". I'm into battle themes :)

[Claado Shou]

The Last Stand is a really good song. RoeTaKa definitely blended the songs together well, and the ending perfectly suits the escape from the castle.

As for alternate names to Rellik's track...all the album art and all the other stuff have already been done, so...if you REALLY want it changed (I highly discourage, but it is your track), I need a new name right away (i.e. tonight) so I can have it altered. All the names you have there are too long, just so you know. I like the current name, though, so...take that as you will.

ALSO, I made an oopsies...Track 6 does not include Battle with Magus as a source tune. I shall change that immediately. Sorry for the confusion, if there was any.

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

After hours of prelistening, testing, even more listening to material, switching effects on and off and hours of indecision (8 hours at least!), I finally found the right "sound". Or in other words... finally the needle in the hay.

Chrono Symphonic will be 'presented' in the "Promenadikeskus Concert Hall" in Pori, Finland!

http://www.studio-compyfox.de/guestartist/chrono_symphonic/Convolution_Reverb.jpg

It took me a while and the last contenders were the Vredenburg Hall in the Netherlands, the Philips Hall in the Netherlands, the Todd-AO Scoring Stage in Los Angeles and the Promenadikesus Concert Hall in Finland. The last one got the deal. It sounds warm, natural, not too fuzzy (the Todd-AO was standing till the last minute, but it's reflections were either too harsh, or not even there). A nice environment for a 40-60 seats orchestra.

The vocal tracks won't be engineered with a "master reverb". Instead the piano/orchestra only get's the reverb and the vocals stay fairly clean (only minimal reverb as send). With this in-depth engineering I make sure that the vocals don't drown, but then again are still fitting to the whole setup.


Info about the Prominadikeskus Concert Hall:
The 700 seat hall was designed by Architect Company Guttner and built in 1999. The acoustic consulting was provided by Akukon Oy Consulting Engineers. The hall is roughly shoebox shaped with dimensions of 33 x 23 x 15 m (length x width x height) yielding a total volume of approximately 9300 m2. here are balconies on both sides, and the floor rises towards the rear part of the hall. A variety of diffusers has been installed on the walls, and the hall has a set of hanging reflectors above the stage projecting more early sound both to the audience as well as to the musicians. The upholstered seats have a folding seat cushion with perforation on the bottom plate, yielding a relatively small difference between the absorption of an occupied and an unoccupied seat. The first three rows of seats can be removed but they were present during the measurements.

More about the convolution project can be found here:
http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/projects/poririrs/


Now that this is off the table, I have to get back to work.

[Duckman]

awesome!! compy fox you rock, and eveyone who has a track on the new album! it sounds so freakin awesome! I cant wait!!!! :):):):)

[Rellik]

Hey Claado, I don't care at all :P a name's just a name.

Glad to hear you've made your decision, Compy - the place is kind of an eyesore, but of course it's the IR that counts.

[Compyfox]

Wait wait wait... fill me in. Why is it an eyesore?

Because it looks like a school audience hall from first sight? Well I had like 3 others at least that looked the same (and more cold). Or is it because it's not a hall in the US but Finland?

[Navi]

soo....someone hit me up with that mirror info, again?

[FM]

FYI, Lucca's arrival also uses the Battle music and a very small portion of Magus's theme.

[Claado Shou]

It DOES? Which battle music? Let me know so I can tell SZ before the site goes up.

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

Okay... I got something new for you. This time no fancy narration or stuff. I just can't concentrate atm and I was fooling around with the impulse response of the Promenadikeskus Concert Hall. Remember, those files don't necessarily reflect the final product:

The Masamune (clean without any effects) (http://www.studio-compyfox.de/Chrono_Symphonic_The_Masamune_clean.mp3) (0:52min, mp3, 1.04MB)
The Masamune (Impulse Response Fingerprint only) (http://www.studio-compyfox.de/Chrono_Symphonic_The_Masamune_IR.mp3) (0:52min, mp3, 1.04MB)



Just another quick hookup of what to expect in terms of "sounddesign".

[Rellik]

I just think the looks of the place are kind of ugly, that's all - the colors seem too bright for my tastes, the materials don't look particularly attractive, and the surfaces seem very flat and there aren't alot of embellishments. Just a matter of tastes.

Thanks for the little demo - the hall sounds nice (rather subtle), and who is The Masamune by? 8O

[Compyfox]

Masamune is by EllyWu and the FX was turned to 30% wet. Not very subtile if you do a direct comparision.

[Blake]

Okay... I got something new for you. This time no fancy narration or stuff. I just can't concentrate atm and I was fooling around with the impulse response of the Promenadikeskua Concert Hall. Remember, those files don't necessarily reflect the final product:

The Masamune (clean without any effects) (http://www.studio-compyfox.de/Chrono_Symphonic_The_Masamune_clean.mp3) (0:52min, mp3, 1.04MB)
The Masamune (Impulse Response Fingerprint only) (http://www.studio-compyfox.de/Chrono_Symphonic_The_Masamune_IR.mp3) (0:52min, mp3, 1.04MB)



Just another quick hookup of what to expect in terms of "sounddesign".


Nice. :D

[Kal aMari]

Dammit, I've been reading this topic too much. My dinner's cold. :)

SatQ sounds pretty good.

And I just dropped my fork listening to Masamune. 8O

[Red Omen]

WHICH PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED SONG ARE YOU WAITING TO HEAR THE MOST?

>Track 05 - Darkness Dueling (LunarHeart)
>Track 06 - Lucca's Arrival (Zas)
>Track 07 - Revelation of Fire (Claado Shou)
>Track 08 - Hymn of Valor (Red Omen)
>Track 14 - Door to the End of Time (Blake Perdue) [to be posted on release date]
>Track 17 - The Third Guru (Claado Shou)
>Track 18 - Beneath the Surface (Rellik)
>Track 20 - Crono's Dream (DarkeSword)
>Track 22 - A Parting of Ways (Unknown)
>Track 23 - The Last Stand (RoeTaKa)
>Track 24 - The New Beginning (Sleepy Emp)

Track 8, definitely. I've never heard that artist before, but he sounds really good.

o wait

[Claado Shou]

Alright, peeps, Compy is going to be posting in a little bit with some...news, so stay tuned for that. Meanwhile, my computer is going to be in pieces in my car as I move out of my apartment and into a hotel for the next few days, so internet access will be limited, at best. Sorry.

Anyway, I will see you all later, when I'm in Jacksonville.

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

Bad news, everyone. And yeah... you can blame it on me, it's only fair as I screwed up more than once.

"Chrono Symphonic won't be released before X-Mas or on X-Mas." - or in other words "not this week" (hell even the teaser is wrong now).


There're reasons Why it isn't happening. And most of them will be only excuses for you. For example that I can't force myself on working on it 5+ days in a row from teh point I stood up, till I went to bed. Or private issues I had before, being sick 3 times in between (last time knocked out for over a week), constant headaches the longer I work on the material, concentrating issues. I... simply need a break, can't take it anymore, everything is crushing down!

*sigh* Like I said... All're excuses (however with a truth behind it).


I'm really terribly sorry. Both Claado and I (and especially I) promised you to get this done by the 22nd. "My" deadline was the 20th to get things done. And I failed... again. *Maybe I'm just not made for this*

I can't and won't give you a new releasedate (even if there is one already), neither can I give you any other news other than I'll be also quiet for a bit. Forcing myself to work on that project doesn't make it better, it's the other way around.


Again... I'm terribly sorry for being such a hassle (and whatever else you wanna call me) to you. I guess i's back to the old habit again - which means... "waiting".

Again, I'm terribly sorry.

*reminds me of Working Designs - ironic, isn't it?*

[Liontamer]

Not a big deal to me. As long as you get it done before New Year's Day, that seems fine to me, as 2005 is supposed to be the 10th anniversary year of Chrono Trigger. That's just to preserve some of the symbolism there.

As you work on the project and hear from nothing but fanboys and people who want the tracks out, one's point-of-view tends to become too insular. The big picture is that when it's out, it's out. No one's really gonna remember or care about any delays, as they'll be a moot point.

As far as I'm concerned, just keep doing what you're doing.

[Spoom]

From what it sounds like, you've been working as hard as you could on the project. I don't think anyone's blaming you for it being late, I mean, it's been more than a year, another few weeks won't matter that much. :)

Is there anything we can do to help you out?

[Compyfox]

There's unfortunately nothing than just waiting.

[The Suicide Machine]

Well, it reminds me of every major game development cycle...where are you, FFXII and LoZ:TP...AND WHERE ARE YOU CHRONO SYMPHONIC!

But, in all seriousness, take your time, I'd rather have a good product, especially since it's already been worked on for so long, but maybe don't announce the release date until you're completely finished.

[Blake]

Who cares. (Well, I sorta do, but I mean yeah.) A New Years release would still be just as kickarse as a Christmas one.

[Red Omen]

From what it sounds like, you've been working as hard as you could on the project. I don't think anyone's blaming you for it being late

I BLAME THE LIBERAL MEDIA

[Astantia]

That's fine, just make it good.


(Even the tenth year thing isn't necesary, as Chrono Trigger is essentially timeless...)

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

At this rate, it won't be out until 2300 A.D.

Naw just kidding, get your rest. I'm sick too! I just wanted to post that lame quip ;(

[RoeTaKa]

LOVE FOR COMPY CAMPAIGN
-----------------------

Seriously, when you finish a post in this thread, put "<3 Compy" at the bottom, he needs the love, the dirty german! Haha, just kidding. But, nice work man and kudos on your part.

Release is soon ay? Can't wait to hear it. I hope I'm on par with the others work, don't want to be a sore bum. Orchestral isn't my main dig, but I enjoy it.

Woop, yep, that's it.

<3 Compy

[Aurora Firestorm]

Well, I'll amuse myself with music I got for Christmas while I wait. Maybe it'll be out when I'm back after vacation, which is around New Years, anyway.

And then it'll be the reason why I'm not paying attention in school and knocking over people in the halls because I'm not watching where I'm going, only listening to my shiny new iPod...with Chrono Symphonic on it.

Then again, no one guaranteed it would be New Years. I guess we're all just getting our hopes up again?

Oh yeah -- <3 Compy :)

[Eon_Blue]

Naw, that just means I can put off finishing the cover for a while longer.

Take your time compy, as long as it takes.


<3 Compy

[Kal aMari]

No apologies necessary. As long as it all turns out good, I don't care when it's released (unless I die beforehand. :) ).

[Bongo Bill]

My host just upgraded my account for some reason, with the result that I now have 500GB per month. You may now use my site as a higher-priority mirror than you may have been planning to. I'm not doing anything else with that bandwidth until the downloads slow down.

[SirRus]

<3 Compy

[Last Crusader]

Couldn't you just release it as is?

The source material is great, and I trust the mixers are proficient, so I can suck it up and adjust the volume by hand if necessary.

I fear that if you attempt to make it immaculate, it shall never be done.

[Eon_Blue]

Couldn't you just release it as is?

The source material is great, and I trust the mixers are proficient, so I can suck it up and adjust the volume by hand if necessary.

I fear that if you attempt to make it immaculate, it shall never be done.

lol.


Seriously, too much effort has been poured into this project to simply call it quits now and release it.

I'd be more than happy to wait.


<3 Compy

[Hoopla]

less than compyfox! :D

[sephfire]

Couldn't you just release it as is?

The source material is great, and I trust the mixers are proficient, so I can suck it up and adjust the volume by hand if necessary.

I fear that if you attempt to make it immaculate, it shall never be done.

Compy's job is a bit more complicated than just that. Even we mixers would much rather let him finish his work. Trust us when we say that production makes all the difference in the world.

[Trenthian]

Hem hem.

As King of the Kingdom of Trenthia, I too shall express my warmest regards to the wonderful German Fellow known as Compyfox.

May he continue to Kick ass and Chew bubble gum, but run out of Gum forevermore.

<3 CompyFox

[Compyfox]

"Damn... that's the second time those alien b4stards shot down my ride!!!"

*cough* Okay okay... thanks for everything all that jazz. I'll keep you updated. And yeah... it's "Compyfox" or just "Fox". But nice campaign you started there, Roe.

Till in a couple of days or so.

[Eon_Blue]

chrono.ocremix.org

Is that the final address for the site? It's clearly down right now, but will it be linked to through that redirect? It'd be great if that was the official address - nice and short.

[Ice Dragon]

This project is definitely generating a bit of excitement *looks at topic views*

[MDarkbladeM]

Do not push yourself too hard Compy.

<3 Compy

[StarZander]

chrono.ocremix.org

Is that the final address for the site? It's clearly down right now, but will it be linked to through that redirect? It'd be great if that was the official address - nice and short.

That will be the address later on, as it was before. The site is just being moved to a new location, and won't be showed until the project's release.

[ellywu2]

Holy shitcakes, that reverb on the Masanume sounds nice!

<3 compy

[PLBenjaminZ]

Hey everyone, it's not released yet!?
Haha, oh well, here's a cookie for everyone waiting for the release;

Doh, ran out of cookies... :P

It's my Final Battle track that I never finished. It's not going to be on the album so I guess I'll share it with you guys so you have something to listen to while waiting for the release. It's still not done but oh well lol... Hope you like it, and you can expect the quality of the tracks on the album to be a lot better (<3 Compy :P ). Happy Holidays everyone!

Edit in response to the below post: sorry, that's because I deleted on accident, I'm re-uploading it now lol...

2nd Edit: updated it D:

3nd Edit: My bandwidth like died because too many people were downloading lol... :P

4th Edit: I spelt 3rd wrong... damn copy n' paste laziness :roll:

[Aurora Firestorm]

Angelfire rejects remote links...and Save As doesn't work. I think the url itself (the .mp3 one) is messed up, because your site won't find it, either.

[Claado Shou]

Cool song, Ben. I'm glad you finally finished it...a bit too late, however.

As for the rest of the posts made in my absence, I REALLY appreciate the fact that you guys aren't calling for our public executions. It means a lot to me that you guys are willing to go through one disappointing release date after another all for the sake of the music. And Larry had it right...no one will remember the long wait, they'll only remember the glorious first listen, and the second, and then the many ones afterwards.

So again, sorry that St. Nick didn't bring you Chrono Symphonic for Christmas, but maybe St. Claado can bring it to you for New Year's. Or something equally clever.

<3 Compy.

~.C.S.~

[SirRus]

It's my Final Battle track that I never finished. It's not going to be on the album so I guess I'll share it with you guys so you have something to listen to while waiting for the release.

Very nice and nice timing... Thanks for sharing man.

[sephfire]

It means a lot to me that you guys are willing to go through one disappointing release date after another

Come on, man. We're gamers. Tolerating one release delay after another is what we do.

[Blake]

It means a lot to me that you guys are willing to go through one disappointing release date after another

Come on, man. We're gamers. Tolerating one release delay after another is what we do.


End of thread. Er, if this were some big ol' unmod argument or something. BUT TRU DAT.

[Methiea]

kick ass PLBenjaminZ, i like it.

<3 compy

[ellywu2]

Come on, man. We're gamers. Tolerating one release delay after another is what we do.

Yeah, i'm still waiting for Duke Nukem Forever.

[The Joker]

I've given up hope for Duke Nukem Forever. I think that's how long it will be before it's finished. I'm counting on ""Duke Nukem 360", or heck ""Duke Nukem: Viva la Revolution".

This project though, it's something worth waiting for. Let we get glitchy music that freezes when I save wrong or put on the damned wraith mask at the wrong time!

<3 Computerfoxes

[Claado Shou]

Alright...well, StarZander has finally gotten all of the site layout stuff revamped, as per my request, and though you can't see it until the project is released, it is AWESOME. I had to take some artistic liberties with what I had, but the end result is still a feast for the detail nut.

Anyway, the official site addy will be http://www.vizzed.com/chrono and is active now, although still in the un-updated state. However, this will be the site that the OCR sub-domain forwards to, so check it out until then. See you all when I have more updates to give.

~.C.S.~

[Aurora Firestorm]

Come on, man. We're gamers. Tolerating one release delay after another is what we do.

So true, so true. Homeworld 2 had two years of delays. So I say, we'll stick it out :)

Glad the site is up and ready for the future release. Can't wait to see it! I'm sure it will rock our worlds several times over ;)


<3 Compy.

[DarkeSword]

Please keep posts in this thread on-topic. This isn't a community thread; it's a project thread.

[Compyfox]

Some news about the release(s):

:arrow: Chrono Symphonic will feature 25 tracks only!
That means that the audition tracks won't be included in this release. The "Regular Edition" will be a mp3 only version as of late, too.

The release date is still a thing to be posted, but it will be "this year". Not 2006!


:arrow: Chrono Symphonic will also be released as "Special Edition"!
Before anybody screams that we do a mp3 only release: The Special Edition will be released as lossless version (only). Or in other words - CD images. A Special Edition won't be one without some "bonus material". I won't spoil anything yet, but one thing is for sure... the waiting is totally worth.

The Special Edition will be released in January. No set release date either.


I keep you updated...

[Claado Shou]

What he said. Also, we have another mirrorer on board, so yay bandwidth! At least we won't burn out our hosts (hopefully)...

~.C.S.~

[DarkeSword]

Which of the releases is going to be tracked on the OCR tracker? You need to work out the logistics of this release.

I would recommend that you just release the special edition as the normal one, even if it takes a little more time, rather than doing a stunted MP3-only release, and then setting up a brand new torrent for the special edition.

[Compyfox]

If it goes by me, the MP3 only version via the OCR tracker. DJP offered me the first time this came up to do an additional seeding on his tracker, too, if there will be something like an 'enhanced edition'. He just needs to adjust his tracker on the mainpage.

The main reason we do a mp3 "only" release are bandwidth issues (as in some listeners are still on dialup, especially over the holidays). Of course there can always be changes in the last minute (like maybe adding a lossless encoded version), but if you remember - "Relics of the Chozo" was also first released as OGG version only. A couple of weeks later (and due to popular demand) came a CD ISO.

I mean... "Hedgehog Heaven" was released as MP3 only project, so was "Bound Together" (not OCR), "Duck Hunt: Repecussions of Foul Lamentation" (also not official OCR) or "Relics of the Chozo". "Kong in Concert" was released as lossless version from the start, "Dark Side of Phobos" and "Kirby Rise of the Star" was released as "multiversion" (mp3/flac). Not to sound defensive or impolite, but do we really need to stick to that standard?


That's what the "Special Edition" is for.
It's like a DVD release - take the "Lord of the Rings" DVDs for example. First they were released 3/4th a year later than the cinema release to fresh up the storyline for the next part, and a couple of week/moths later came a Special Extended Edition. It's kind of similar for our case too. First we release the "Regular Edition" to celebrate the "10th Anniversary" of Chrono Trigger (better late than never) and a couple of weeks later, to keep the party "running", we release an enhanced version and show even more hommage for this game.




BTW: The "Special Edition" is planned to be released as Torrent via "Studio Compyfox" as main tracker. Mirror/Backup is ThaSauce so far. Of course a lot can change till the release of the special edition. That's why I said I can't go in-depth on that yet.

More soon.

[DarkeSword]

I just think that it makes more sense to do a multiversion like we did with Doom and Kirby. Have the mirrors host the lossy-encodes (MP3s), and have the torrent distribution contain both lossy and lossless encodes in a selectable multifile torrent. Bandwidth issues solved.

Two versions creates more confusion for the end-listener, and if you do ONE torrent, it'll have a longer life than if you run two torrents parallel to eachother; running one torrent is more efficient as well as far as tracking and leeching.

Chrono Trigger was released in March '95 in Japan and August '95 in the US. We're still in the 10th anniversary year, so I don't think it's ridiculously important to do a release before January of 2006.

I think it's more important to do one cohesive release with everything available rather than to split it up with what basically amounts to an MP3-teaser release.

The only project to ever do multiple releases was Relics of the Chozo and that's because it was the first one, and there was a demand afterwards for lossless. We've come a long way since then, and we understand the demand associated with these big releases. I don't think we should complicate the release by doing two versions. Release the whole thing and be done with it.

We've been waiting patiently for over a year now. A few more weeks isn't going to kill anyone.

[Ice Dragon]

We've been waiting patiently for over a year now. A few more weeks isn't going to kill anyone.

Except me.

[Compyfox]

It's not a "mp3 teaser", it's a regular release!
Claado wanted to release it this year as he's occupied starting at the dawn of the next. It was also my fault (as mentioned a couple of times) that this release was postponed that often - Murphy's Law, can happen!

Another thing is that I still work on a lot of the bonus material, meaning that some stuff has yet to be finished too. Even if I wanted to, I can't release it (and by "it" I mean the "Special Edition") before new years eve.


If there're "releasing standards" for remixing projects now too, great... We can't (especially I can't) and won't do it any different.

And what's so confusing on different releases and/or release dates? Like I said... it's not any different with DVDs, video games, audio CDs, etc. Now if we do a torrent release "later" than the regular one, then there'll be screams for "why there is no torrent release" and that it's not good to "release it via homepages only - in modern internet times" (again that bandwidth discussion again). I don't get it why we have to give in, do it like somebody else started it cause he felt like it, and now all others adapt that idea? (mp3/flac release).


This is no stunt we try to pull off here. This is how we planned it in the last couple of weeks. You "still" get the lossless version - but a couple of days later. And if another project would have done it that way, I'd have gotten both versions too.

However I'm not the project coordinator. Claado has the final word on it. But I don't think that there will be massive changes anymore.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I think it's a decent idea if you want to get it out early. I'd say wait, but the Special Edition idea is pretty cool, as long as you pack in extra content.

[Compyfox]

You bet. But I'll keep quiet regarding the content. ;)

[Eon_Blue]

You bet. But I'll keep quiet regarding the content. ;)

Speaking of which, I need some details on that, get on irc, man.

[Vague Rant]

Just figured I'd throw in another point of view on dual releases (i.e. MP3/FLAC torrents). Personally, I've never really gotten the point. I don't really see why anyone would want both the FLACs and the MP3s. If all they want are something small and listenable, MP3s are fine, if they want something at its original quality, they can get the FLACs. If the torrents are being used as largely separate entities (one group sets the MP3s to Do Not Download, the other sets the FLACs to DND), there's not really much point in their being a single torrent in the first place. The only reason I can think of to have both is if one wanted a FLAC set for archival purposes (or to burn a CD) and an MP3 set for listening purposes (e.g., on a flash DAP). However, if they're already downloading the FLACs, they can encode their own portable files, in whatever format they wish, at whatever bitrate they wish.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts. See user name and sig before responding. :wink:

[I.Medley]

No one is expected to download both FLAC and mp3 files. In fact, people are usually encouraged to download only one type of file, to save bandwidth.

However, by having both files on one torrent, it becomes easier to manage; as Darkesword said, it is more efficient to have one torrent than two parallel ones.

I will say that, since I will most likely not be able to download the project until late January, I leave the decision of the release up to the project coordinator.

[Compyfox]

Discussions about that are still taking place. We'll inform you (or better: you'll see it for yourself) when we release Chrono Symphonic.

[Claado Shou]

Just posting a little something something for the short wait ahead of us (really really short, yo)...

I've gotten a sneak peek of some of the songs from the project, fully refurbished via Compy's amazing talents, and if there were a verb to describe what you people will do when you hear the final product, "freak the f*ck out" would be the only applicable one.

So get settled in for the new year, people...it's not the only thing worth celebrating!

~.C.S.~

[Linearity]

I can't contain my excitement!!!

[Ab56 v2 aka Ash]

You better be! Man, Last night around 11 Compy's irc nick was Compyfox|ChronoSymphonic. Twelve hours later and it's the same thing. Is this guy human!? I appreciate it.

[Compyfox]

Trust me, I am.

[Boz]

I strongly think about to bring a toast to Chrono Symphonic at New Year's eve. And perhaps to Compyfox too. :)

[mDuo13]

Looking forward to this release.

But I'd rather see two separate torrents than one. I don't know how to use "do not download" though I could probably figure it out. I bet many, many other people who would be torrenting it will ALSO not know how, and some of them won't realize they can or should. So it may be easier to manage to have one torrent, but two parallel torrents will probably cut bandwidth usage and ease of use for downloaders significantly.

[Claado Shou]

THE RELEASE IS NIGH. THIS THY HOLY SITE PROJECT OF OCR HAS COME FROM HITHER THITHER AND THON AND WILL NOT BE SILENCED.

So cheer (and drink) up.

~.C.S.~

[Eon_Blue]

THE RELEASE IS NIGH. THIS THY HOLY SITE PROJECT OF OCR HAS COME FROM HITHER THITHER AND THON AND WILL NOT BE SILENCED.

So cheer (and drink) up.

~.C.S.~


Soooooooo, tonight?

[Dybbek]

*refresh*

Not released yet.

*refresh*

Not released yet.

*refresh*

Yes! It's... wait, no. Not released yet.

EDIT: Oh, release date. Yay!

EDIT 2: Delayed again!? [insert cliche Darth Vader "Nooooooooooooo!"]

[Red Omen]

THE RELEASE IS NIGH. THIS THY HOLY SITE PROJECT OF OCR HAS COME FROM HITHER THITHER AND THON AND WILL NOT BE SILENCED.

So cheer (and drink) up.

~.C.S.~

And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and...

[Compyfox]

Fear not, cause I'm wit' ya!
*and I mean that seriously*


Waiting won't be that long anymore... trust us. And no... not today anymore.

[Terial]

so... you're telling methe release date is new years eve....

you sir, are a LIAR!!!

<3 Compy

[Claado Shou]

It's not the Doom or Kong project...
*no it's not*
It's not the Metroid or Kirby project...
*no it's not*
It's CHRONO SYMPHONIC

To all you orchestra-haters out there,
WE'LL BLOW YOUR PROJECT UP


^melody to the crappy lyrics above courtesy of Star Wars Gangsta Rap

Seriously, though...don't be hatin'.

~.C.S.~

[Eon_Blue]

Chrono Symphonic Wallpapers - show your support for the project to your mom, boss, significant other, pet, etc:

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/wall1.jpg

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/wall2.jpg

They're basically larger versions of my sig - two versions of the planet - one before Lavos, and one after; with corresponding in game quotes to match.

They're both 1024 x 768. Extra points for using one on each monitor in a dual screen setup.

[fivre]

It's not the Doom or Kong project...
*no it's not*
It's not the Metroid or Kirby project...
*no it's not*
It's CHRONO SYMPHONIC


Everything listed there except for DSoP was freakishly awesome.

Does this imply that CS will be... Not freakishly awesome?

[neminem]

So yeah. I hear that you guys might be wanting an additional mirror? If so, let me know how big the zip would be, and I'll let you know whether I could help. I've got pretty darn near unlimited total bandwidth, but fairly limited size (on the order of maybe a 100 megs, if I scrap a bunch of other stuff that's currently there).

[Bongo Bill]

It looks like all the files together are 107MB.

[Compyfox]

I just hope I didn't f*ck up the project. The more I listen to it, the more I get the feeling, something's gone terribly wrong.

But for now... sleep. *and one or two days off*

[Antelucan]

I just hope I didn't f*ck up the project. The more I listen to it, the more I get the feeling, something's gone terribly wrong.
:?



<3 Compyfox

[Red Omen]

Chrono Symphonic Wallpapers - show your support for the project to your mom, boss, significant other, pet, etc:

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/wall1.jpg

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/wall2.jpg

They're basically larger versions of my sig - two versions of the planet - one before Lavos, and one after; with corresponding in game quotes to match.

They're both 1024 x 768. Extra points for using one on each monitor in a dual screen setup.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7354/chronomen1td.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2592/chronomen1zg.jpg

I feel like an asshole for screwing with your beautiful wallpaper, but I couldn't resist.

Compy, I don't think that's possible.

<3 Compy

[Linearity]

I feel like an asshole for screwing with your beautiful wallpaper, but I couldn't resist.

Compy, I don't think that's possible.

<3 Compy

QFE on all accounts. Ah, just kidding you, Red Omen.

Anyway, I imagine that what CS meant was that it will be...let me wrap my mind around this...more than freakishly awesome of the "Kong in Concert" sort? That's the sort of tall tale you tell to your grandchildren...

"And then, yes, there's more. And THEN, THE BIG ONE came out..."

[Chef]

YES! The waiting has been moved from whenever it is done to, 12.31.05 so about 30 hours. Now how long will we have to wait for the special edition?

[Jillian Aversa]

GAHHHH, I can't wait! I guess I'll have to see the project from Zircon's computer in NYC, because here I go to the meetup!

[Claado Shou]

Crap.

From StarZander (the website guy):

I'm extremely sorry, but I can't make it. It's too little time. I made the script for the random link first, but then it didn't work properly. It opened the song in the browser instead of downloading it, and I couldn't change it no matter what I did. So I started encoding something else, more simple, but then I ran out of time. If I had known that the deadline for the website was New Years Eve, then things might have been different, but you never told me about that. I've been stressing all morning to get it all to work, but I just ran out of time. I have to hurry now, to catch my train. I will finish the website when I get back, on sunday, and then e-mail you. You will have to let everyone know the bad news, unfortunately. Blame me if you want, but I just ran out of time.

Well, you'll hear from me again in a few days, and sorry again for ruining the whole thing. I tried, atleast.

New releasedate: January 2nd, 2006.

Sorry, guys. It'll have to be a few days late. Unfortunately. AGAIN.

Argh.

~.C.S.~

[zircon]

You can't be serious. AGAIN!??! Can't you just release the damn thing?

[Last Crusader]

You can't be serious. AGAIN!??! Can't you just release the damn thing?

Just whip something up in html or something, just give us a page with a bunch of raw text links.

I beg of you, I am losing faith. When it was promised before New Years Eve... I didn't believe it. Please give me something to believe in!

[Chocolate Supra]

when my grandchild asks me "what was YOUR first post on OCR, grampa?" I'll be able to proudly say "upon the Chrono Symphonic thread."

I think that when we tell our kids about this legend of legends, we should still tell them it was released New Year's Eve. Whadda y'all say? ;) CT 10th, right?

[Terial]

told ja :(

EDIT:
btw, welcome to OCR chocolate_supra :D.

my first post was also in a project thread, Project Chaos.

[Subz1987]

well, at least the music is ready...

2 days won't be so bad. Just get it done properly and smoothly. That's what matters

[TheWanderer]

You can't be serious. AGAIN!??! Can't you just release the damn thing?

Just whip something up in html or something, just give us a page with a bunch of raw text links.

I beg of you, I am losing faith. When it was promised before New Years Eve... I didn't believe it. Please give me something to believe in!

Agreed. I could actually care less about what the website that hosts the files looks like (I do agree that Chrono Symphonic does deserve the high quality stuff starzander can produce, but that can wait), just do something like a soft opening of it and create a temporary page for a few days.

I think everyone agrees that we just want to hear what is going to be one of the best projects to be released on this site. Whatever the case, keep up the great work everyone. :D

Edit: Alright, I sort of overlooked the issue of what was actually being edited on the site. For some reason I thought it was only the page's design, not the random scripting for the links. That definitely would warrant a delay as stressing out bandwidth is a bad thing.

[Antelucan]

At this point, a gorgeous website is of secondary importance to getting the project released if everything else is finished.

[RoeTaKa]

Somebody add another 10 days to the project release, just to annoy people! Haha.

Seriously people, waiting is for people at the back of the line, do something else with your time and wait!

The baby is a little overdue but I'm sure with some drugs the whole thing will speed up a little quicker.

You will go deaf if I hear another peep out of you mister!

rarar.

Time to go partaaaay!

[Tyler Heath]

hahah, I was seriously beginning to wonder if I'm the only person involved that isn't foaming at the mouth waiting for this thing to be released.

everyone needs to chill and just let the people in charge do their thing.

[Aurora Firestorm]

I agree with Last Crusader, Zircon, and TheWanderer. Just get it out there; so many of us don't care if the website is sparkling. The point is the music, and we've been waiting for the music. Why not just release the finished music when it's done and then put the website in with the "special, highly slicked-up with new content"-edition package? Then, people who want all the extras will have a site o' awesomeness to boot, but people will still get the music. It's not like we won't go back to see the special edition, anyway. I will, at least, for sure. For the sake of having it out in 2005, which would be such a cool New Years gift...why not?

[herograw]

You can't be serious. AGAIN!??! Can't you just release the damn thing?

Just whip something up in html or something, just give us a page with a bunch of raw text links.

I beg of you, I am losing faith. When it was promised before New Years Eve... I didn't believe it. Please give me something to believe in!

Agreed. I could actually care less about what the website that hosts the files looks like (I do agree that Chrono Symphonic does deserve the high quality stuff starzander can produce, but that can wait), just do something like a soft opening of it and create a temporary page for a few days.

I think everyone agrees that we just want to hear what is going to be one of the best projects to be released on this site. Whatever the case, keep up the great work everyone. :D

Why would we want any aspect of the project to be rushed if we've been willing to wait this long? My only gripe with this delay is that now it's going to be released at the beginning of the month. That means my unused bandwidth for december (a considerable amount) will be squandered.

oh well..

[Tegeran]

It's not about having a pretty site, it's about showing a little courtesy to those of us about to serve up >100MB worth of MP3s to hundreds of people free of charge. The load needs to be distributed, or one or two servers are going to be saturated and unusable for the duration, while all the others sit there doing nothing because human nature is to just click the first link.

Personally, my server has other things to do, too, like handling email and serving up several websites. I've got a ton of bandwidth to spare, but I can't afford to have everyone who wants to download Chrono Symphonic hit my server at once. The load needs to be distributed among the mirrors as much as is practical.

[RoeTaKa]

I agree with Last Crusader, Zircon, and TheWanderer. Just get it out there; so many of us don't care if the website is sparkling. The point is the music, and we've been waiting for the music. Why not just release the finished music when it's done and then put the website in with the "special, highly slicked-up with new content"-edition package? Then, people who want all the extras will have a site o' awesomeness to boot, but people will still get the music. It's not like we won't go back to see the special edition, anyway. I will, at least, for sure. For the sake of having it out in 2005, which would be such a cool New Years gift...why not?

Cause sometimes, the production, finishing the final package, ends up with a more enjoyable and complete looking project. It's like if you have cheese on toast and go "fuck it, im just gonna have dry toast cause I don't have time to go to the shops to buy myself some cheese, and maybe some worcester sauce to liven it up" YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?!?! If I made time to go to the shop, I could get WORCESTER SAUCE with my cheese to go on the toast. The theory is - You wait a little longer, and your penis gets bigger. Same with the cheese and worcester and toast, and same with CHRONO SYMPHONIC. Wait a little longer and man, might get some ham with it too.

[Linearity]

Lollercakes.

Anyway, at first I was thinking "are you fucking joking?" But on second thought, from everything I hear, this deserves to be a spectacular event, not a fade-in. Would you, today, tell the Binnie of the past to release KiC early, without the awesome site to pay visual tribute to its aural grandeur?

SZ, I know some of the frustration in web design. You take the time you need to make it tight; we'll all be grateful for your hard work.

Edit: and, after all, "you wait a little longer, and your penis gets bigger."

[Zeality]

What are you guys takling about, exactly? The site looked fine to me -- minimalistic and well arranged.

[Compyfox]

I could have worked one extra day on it, and not mde the night through and slept all day.

I'm also for simple textlinks... like Dark Side of Phobos (and all other projects). Which is simple, nothing special. No random link script needed.

[gkey]

No... No... No... Sigh... Sigh... Sigh...
My new year was about to be a lot more happier ;_;

Maybe using text links (or a simple js snippet that displays a link at random between available mirrors) could save the day...

Anyway, thanks for trying to meet the deadline,
gkey

[Last Crusader]

I agree that polish is a fine thing, but I think that we're at the point that when we get the cheese and sauce, the bread is on the brink of turning green.

A lot of announcements have been made over the past months, and I believed all of them until yesterday, words mean nothing anymore.

[Blake]

I agree with Last Crusader, Zircon, and TheWanderer. Just get it out there; so many of us don't care if the website is sparkling. The point is the music, and we've been waiting for the music. Why not just release the finished music when it's done and then put the website in with the "special, highly slicked-up with new content"-edition package? Then, people who want all the extras will have a site o' awesomeness to boot, but people will still get the music. It's not like we won't go back to see the special edition, anyway. I will, at least, for sure. For the sake of having it out in 2005, which would be such a cool New Years gift...why not?

Cause sometimes, the production, finishing the final package, ends up with a more enjoyable and complete looking project. It's like if you have cheese on toast and go "fuck it, im just gonna have dry toast cause I don't have time to go to the shops to buy myself some cheese, and maybe some worcester sauce to liven it up" YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?!?! If I made time to go to the shop, I could get WORCESTER SAUCE with my cheese to go on the toast. The theory is - You wait a little longer, and your penis gets bigger. Same with the cheese and worcester and toast, and same with CHRONO SYMPHONIC. Wait a little longer and man, might get some ham with it too.


Wow. Well put. :D

[MagiNinjA]

Seriously though, ClaadoShou, you shouldn't have delayed it. It just makes Compyfox feel worse for whatever reason he is feeling bad for, and IMO, the music shouldn't have to be released WITH the site.

12/31/05 - 12 PM EST - May it live.

[DarkeSword]

Stop whining.

Claado already apologized, and if StarZander can't get the distro script done in time, then you'll just have to wait. It's an important aspect that alleviates server stress.

It's not the end of the world. In any case, I'm going to lock this to prevent further complaining. Claado, since you're a coordinator, you can still post, bump, and reply. I'll also add Compy to the coordinators group so that he can post here as well.

[Claado Shou]

I believe of all the posts made when I was gone, DarkeSword's was the best. Thank you for doing that.

All you people have to do is wait. I have to pack up everything I own, drive 20 hours to New York, and still find time to release the thing. StarZander has to get the script running properly on the site, and make the website proper because IT'S THE OFFICIAL RELEASE AND IT NEEDS AN OFFICIAL SITE. And DJP needs to operate remotely as well, and we all three need to coordinate our efforts.

So as DS put it, stop whining. Larry's words from before still live on..."nobody will remember the delay, only the project itself." It won't kill/maim/injure/insult/hurt you to wait. So wait.

~.C.S.~

[Compyfox]

I'd also like to ask the "mirrorers" to keep the files for themselves and not pimp them around anymore. You had the chance to listen to the project "sooner". But that doesn't mean you can tease all others. Please be fair.


If everything calms down a little, I'll think about unlocking this thread. Maybe I'll also post a small "demo" of Chrono Symphonic with all tracks like I did for "Hits & Misses" by Joe Cammisa, but only maybe. Else... like Larry and Claado said... the music is important, not how often it was delayed.

Till then...

[Arek the Absolute]

I am sorry for bumping this, but this is damn ridiculous *sp*. How the hell can you guys seriously bicker about it not being released. Jesus christ. It isn't like those of you that are complaining actually DID ANYTHING to help the project!
The project will get out when it gets out. Be patient and shut the **** up.
If you had ANY respect for those putting their hard work into it, you would accept what is going on and keep quiet. jeez...

[KWarp]

I feel the need to second that. It's one thing for fans to "support" the project when it's in full stride and making progress. It's quite another for those same fans to start whining when the project trips.

This project's been in the works for over a year. 400+ days. Surely just 4 days, less than 1% of this project's time, can be used to polish everything.

Claado, StarZander, and the musicians: I wish you all the best. :)

[DarkeSword]

Now that anyone everyone has had a few days to cool off, I'm going to unlock this thread. If you have anything constructive to say, you can say it, but needless whining, complaining, moaning, etc is not welcome.

Please take note that even though it's 2006, we are still in the 10th anniversary year of Chrono Trigger, as the game was not released until mid/late 1995, so nobody missed the 10th anniversary and Chrono Trigger is still awesome blah blah blah.

This thread will remain open after the normal release comes out so that project members and the general community can discuss the pending release of the Special Edition.

All FEEDBACK/REVIEWS of Chrono Symphonic must be posted in the feedback and comments thread that will be created upon the release of the project. Any reviews that are written in THIS thread will be deleted. I made this text big because I just know that people are going to post reviews here anyway. You've been told the procedure in obnoxious, size 18, bolded text. Follow it, and don't complain when your review gets deleted.

[The Dual Dragons]

Am I the only one that haven't complained AT ALL in this thread?..
I say take your time guys.. excellent work needs time sometimes..
Ill be here when its released.. :D cheers..
And I think the website should be up at the same time as the music is released, not after, it would feel like everything is in pieces.. so I stand by that decition..

[Antelucan]

I think much of what was interpretted as whining was more actually an expression of frustration. When such a beloved project stumbles "for reasons beyond control," it creates a feeling of helplessness for many fans, myself included. It's hard watching something you care about falter and not being able to do anything about it. Frankly, I'm surprised more fans haven't voiced their enthusiasm for this project. I apologize on behalf of any comments that were perceived as threatening or seemed to question the decision to delay the project further, but hopefully the project team can see that many of these comments were born out of devoted affection, not selfishness, particularly from the many of us who have followed this project since its inception more than a year ago.

The first and foremost priority is to release an outstanding project, and, if that means taking some extra time, that's fine with me.

<3 Compy, Claado Shou, StarZander, each and every one of the track artists, all the mirrorers, and anyone else I missed.

[Nineko]

Am I the only one that haven't complained AT ALL in this thread?well, I never posted here at all.

[Binarynova]

I for one have been excited about this Remix Project since I first heard about it. Chrono Trigger was one of my two favorite SNES games, so I am obviously excited about the prospect of hearing a complete project like this one.

And like others before me have said, there are a lot of us who are just plain bleeding from our ears to hear it. We've been ready as long as the project has existed. Some of us have been watching since it's inception. I'm typically an impatient person, but I understand that an undertaking like this one requires a lot of time and effort to accomplish. There are two or three games that I'd like to see Remix Projects of, but I *know* I don't have the time and effort (and ability for that matter) to see any of those off the ground myself. I'm just glad there are people out there who do have those qualities.

I've been more or less cool with the delays. The only thing I'd have to say that bothered me at all is the fact that there are people out there listening to it right now. =\ But I guess if I had a server capable of mirroring then I could have had that privilege as well. I'm just glad the BitTorrent technology exists or I wouldn't be able to help this project at all.

Also, after seeing the public "outcry" when more delays were announced just reminded me of why so many game companies just flat out got rid of the idea of announcing release dates. Blizzard's motto became "The patch will be out when it's done," simply because they know that there are some times (ok... when it comes to Blizzard: SEVERAL times) circumstances that are beyond their control. So they announce a day, miss it, and all their loyal fans and subscribers call them a bunch of liers (with various explatives included). So they pretty much abolished that practice. Perhaps not such a stringent deadline should have been applied. I mean, as you said yourself DarkeSword, as far as the 10 year anniversary goes, you have until the middle of 2006. Perhaps it would have been best to stick with, "Chrono Symphonic will be released as soon as it's finished."

Anyways, I can't wait to see/hear the finished product. I've got many other OC Remix projects on my computer but I really think this is shaping up to be the best one so far.

A big thanks to everyone involved. <3

[Arek the Absolute]

"Hey guys, excited for mww?"
"MWW, wuts that lawl"
-_-

Anyhow, darke, bold or not, people are going to still review in here hahah.
This project has been like the most anticipated project yet, so safe to say that it will be a success and a huge fan favorite for a long time.
Goodjob to everyone on this. You guys are participating in something ground breaking on OCR until MWW comes out :).
Goodshit guys.

[Compyfox]

Well, we'll have an extra feedback thread for that, so please stick to that one. The thread remains open for questions only in terms of the "Special Edition". I'll get into that shortly, but fist of all, an apollogy.

An apollogy to all those who got dissapointed with the 5 or so releasedates and this whole thing still got postponed. It can happen. Most of the delays were on my behalf, the last one just wasn't expected. Simply... Murphy's Law... if you think everything goes well, it sure doesn't

The Second apollogy goes to all you listeners. In the last couple of days after I was done uploading the files for the people mirroring/the torrent release, I had the chance to take a deeeper breath and listen to the "regular edition". And as stuff like that always happens, I found some flaws in it in terms of mixing.


Which brings me to the next point, the "Special Edition" itself. I don't want to spoil that much "yet", but a little teaser and info for you, to keep things running.

:arrow: Chrono Symphonic - Special Edition will be completely "remastered"
Meaning that I'll take even more time for it and fix some issues with some tracks I'm not happy with (mainly reverb and EQ issues). This doesn't mean that the regular release is bad. It just means that even I are only human and with the tight timelines, problems while mixing with Wavelab, PC crashes (I lost count how often that happened), etc some minor flaws crawled even into this release. Again, I'm sorry about that.


:arrow: The Special Edition will have at least 35min of extra music material
You'll notice that there're the "audition tracks" missing in the "regular release". Those will be included in the Special Edition, along with a handful of new and previously unreleased tracks


:arrow: The Special Edition is aimed to have 3 CDs and will be released as ISO's (via Torrent)
Yup, that means "lossless" right from the start. It is planned that the CDs are prepared beforehand so that you can burn it straight to CD after you downloaded the torrent files. A mp3/FLAC release is not planned this time, but I consider at least a "remastered" mp3 release of the "Regular Edition", also available via torrent.


:arrow: The Special Edition will contain additional bonus material
Namely: Outtakes, Production Report, Trailer, Artwork, Songtext, Interviews, etc. So far it is planned to include all that on the 3rd CD as "Data Track" like some audio CDs have that too. I'm still sorting out the material so I can't say yet whether or not there will be a 4th CD just with those material only.


:arrow: Chrono Symphonic - Special Edition rough estimated release date
I can't say anything about a definite releasedate yet(!), but I aim for january 2006 (february latest). No guarantee on that yet, though. So please don't scream at me if it comes out a little later (remember, we're still have CT's 10th Anniversary till September). As soon as I think the "pack" is completely finished and ready for release, I'll give out a proper releasedate.



This is all I can give you for now. I'll keep you updated. I hope you'll enjoy the "first" release of Chrono Symphonic, but please stay tuned for the Special Edition, too.

[Linearity]

Wow, you are one hell of a perfectionist! I can't wait to hear this, because I can tell you nitpicked the sound quality like...something that nitpicks...I will certainly look forward to the special edition, but damn, with that sort of devotion to quality, I'm sure your not lying about the second release not implying anything bad about the first.

I'm breathing deeply, trying to curb my enthusiasm.

[Compyfox]

Yeah I am. Guess that's what makes me so "special", but slow too and "bad" in other sections.

[hobo]

That Special Edition sounds incredible.

<3 Compy
<3 Claado
<3 Chrono

[Aurora Firestorm]

Outtakes? Like...outtakes from Pixietricks' singing, or what?

And I'm assuming that "songtext" is lyrics -- does that mean there are no lyrics given with the Regular Edition?

[Terial]

sooooo... the release is tommorow. the 2nd... of january... of the 2000th and sixth year...
what time should I expect to be giddy as a school girl to DL Chrono Symphonic? ...or will Chrono Symphonic become truly timeless with another delay? :wink:
<3 all

[Compyfox]

Dunno what's up to with the page. However Claado told me that the lyrics (yeah ment that, sorry) will be included on it. The outtakes have a different purpose, though. But I won't say anything about that "yet". ;)


Edit:
I haven't given an update on the "release", so I can't say a thing about it. But it was planned that way. "When" it will be... sorry... can't say either. Folks... you starting that thing again. Don't force me to lock the thread if that goes out of hand.

[Eon_Blue]

That Special Edition sounds incredible.

<3 Compy
<3 Claado
<3 Chrono

Aw no <3 Eon?

After all, *I* was finished my part on time.

OH SHI-

I guess I should fix those wallpapers with the dates on them too. Versions with no date on them will be out with the torrent anyway, I believe.

Is anyone actually using them? I've gotten a few people mentioning they'd like versions with no logo or quote on them whatsoever. It's still related to the project, but it's not as much of an advertisment as the original. Anyone want unblemished versions? I'm up for it if people are after it.

[Antelucan]

I guess I should fix those wallpapers with the dates on them too. Versions with no date on them will be out with the torrent anyway, I believe.

Is anyone actually using them? I've gotten a few people mentioning they'd like versions with no logo or quote on them whatsoever. It's still related to the project, but it's not as much of an advertisment as the original. Anyone want unblemished versions? I'm up for it if people are after it.
GO FOR IT.

Also, if you make a 1920×1200 version for my widescreen laptop, I'd most definitely use it.

<3 Eon

[Spoom]

The Special Edition is aimed to have 3 CDs and will be released as ISO's (via Torrent)

I would really prefer it to be released as FLACs, as ISOs will just waste download time for something I'll be converting to FLAC anyway. (FLAC is bit for bit exactly the same as the original audio, only smaller. The compression process actually stores an MD5 of the track (http://flac.sourceforge.net/features.html) to make sure of this.)

Anyway, definitely looking forward to the release, keep up the good work everyone.

[Compyfox]

*sigh* Not "that" discussion again. Look... if you don't want to download the ISO's, then don't do it. But I won't make different versions this time. ISO's are already lossless, packed up in RAR they eat as much as FLAC's "non packed". You can do the encoding for yourself.

No discussion on that this time. I plan this for weeks now. And my opinion won't change. Sorry. Same with the mp3s. I said "maybe there will be some", but it's not a "must" for me. Also the SE is no must, but I've been working on C.S. for so long now, with a couple of extra material that went on "behind the scenes". Why not push it out?


Sorry if that doesn't please you or even offend you. But these are my rules this time.

And think about this: You get 3(!) CDs with music, professionally engineered... for free. You'd usually pay at least 35bucks for such a project "minimum", and then it's barely a 2 CD release.

[Terial]

id rather have ISOs than lossy formats anyday, im glad you went with that decision for the Special Edition. =)
<3 Eon

I would love a high resolution BG for my laptop as well :D

[Claado Shou]

Unfortunately, considering that I won't have internet access the entire time the next few days (I'm currently at a Jameson Inn using a wireless connection, on my way to New York), I probably won't be able to announce the release previous to it happening. So the best I can tell you guys, and the best you're going to get, is that it SHOULD be the next two days, the 2nd or the 3rd. I have to wait until I, DJP, and SZ are all available at once, and then it will come out. Trust me, I want NOTHING more than to do this quickly. But we're gonna do it right too.

And also, Compy and I are mentally and emotionally done with people complaining or asking for something different than what they're getting. You're not paying for the privilege of hearing this, and you're not the ones that are sacrificing time and energy and other important aspects of your busy lives for doing this. And just because it's a Fan Project doesn't mean that you, the fans, have any say in how it happens. ISO is the release format of the Special Edition, that's that. I appreciate everyone that isn't badmouthing the decision, but to you others...please wrap it up.

And now back to other business...thanks to DarkeSword for deciding to keep the thread up and running during the SE release. Just wanted to say that.

~.C.S.~

[movally]

I will say this. Without giving too much lead into things, this album is definitely worth the wait. I won't go into too much more detail because of the big, 16 inch font message on page 116, but it definitely rocks and the team should be very proud of themselves.

The Special Edition seems to be a good idea as well, almost a "just before you thought we were done, we aren't"type deal.

[vaxne]

wow, i feel so ignorant posting this....

anywhay i was just wondering what an ISO format was :oops: and i was just curious on how to listen to them, b/e from the sound of it it sounds a lot better format then mp3s.
*so embaracing* lol

[Compyfox]

ISO's are 1:1 images from CDs. Due to the fact that I have to make a CD anyway before I can put this into MP3, we cut everything else and just release the ISO.

Listen to it? Burn it with your favourite CD burning tool or "mount" it... done.

[Spoom]

Usually I use Daemon Tools (http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/download.php?mode=Download&id=34) (linked is the last non-adware version) for that sort of thing. It is pretty easy, just a waste of space IMHO.

Please don't take it as an insult or anything that I made that suggestion; no "badmouthing" was happening. I wish people wouldn't take things the wrong way.

[Compyfox]

Like I told you already... I won't release a FLAC/mp3 version this time. If that's a waste of space in times of 400+GB HDDs... your thing. Final word on that.

[Murmeli Walan]

Like I told you already... I won't release a FLAC/mp3 version this time. If that's a waste of space in times of 400+GB HDDs... your thing. Final word on that.

The main computer I use has a HD of just under 20 gigs. My new computer has under 30. In fact, I don't know anybody who has a computer with over 100 gigabytes.

That aside, though. I apologize if this has been said before in the thread, but what size are we talking about for these ISO files? If it's just enough that I can store until it gets burned, then that'll be fine.

[Red Omen]

That Special Edition sounds incredible.

<3 Compy
<3 Claado
<3 Chrono

Aw no <3 Eon?

After all, *I* was finished my part on time.

OH SHI-

I guess I should fix those wallpapers with the dates on them too. Versions with no date on them will be out with the torrent anyway, I believe.

Is anyone actually using them? I've gotten a few people mentioning they'd like versions with no logo or quote on them whatsoever. It's still related to the project, but it's not as much of an advertisment as the original. Anyone want unblemished versions? I'm up for it if people are after it.

I'm using them. And hey, if it's easy to release unblemished versions, I wouldn't turn them down.

[movally]

Most ISOs are between 650 to 700 MB if the entire CD is used. There are some CD'sthat can go up to 900 MB, but those are very, very, very rare and I can't think of anyone who has ever released anything using that capacity (possibly because by that point, the data is more prone to becoming corrupt?)

So...going with 700 MB iso images...

700 * 3 = 2100 MBs or roughly 2 gigs. Due take into account the crudeness of this equation.

Now, this is presuming they use all three CDs to their entirity (SP?).

So, you are set. Furthermore, it is NOT that hard to buy a new, 80 gig HDD. When I bought an EXTERNAL HDD back in the States, it was roughly 80 U.S.D. By now, things should be even cheaper, perhaps 60 U.S.D. I know I was able to snag a 40-gig notebook drive (a much smaller, thereby more expensive drive) for about 50 U.S.D. So, even if you are in desperate need for space, you can always go that option. And once you have burnt the album, you can still use that drive for a good couple of years, even using it from one computer to another...

[Compyfox]

The main computer I use has a HD of just under 20 gigs. My new computer has under 30. In fact, I don't know anybody who has a computer with over 100 gigabytes.

Well I have over 380GB. A friend of mine is already over 1TB.

That aside, though. I apologize if this has been said before in the thread, but what size are we talking about for these ISO files? If it's just enough that I can store until it gets burned, then that'll be fine.

CD1 has 47min, CD2 has 39min. Dont't know how big CD3 will be. Just think of 3x700MB. Even though I will pack them. And of course, the less material on the CD, the smaller the packed files. Or in other words: I can't say you anything about that yet.