OCRA-0014 - Final Fantasy IV: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption

[OA]

Welcome to the Final Fantasy IV: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption feedback and opinions thread! Feel free to leave your thoughts about this remix album here.

You can download the project and read more about it here:


http://ff4.ocremix.org/


Thanks to everyone who had a part in putting this album together, large or small! We hope you all enjoy it!


Here is a fantastic video put together by Jose (http://www.ocremix.org/artist/4598/jose-the-bronx-rican) showcasing the project:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-65yJFGMw

[BlackPanther]

OMG it's about darn time!! I've been waitin for this for a while but I'll give my feedback, which is already gonna be positive, after I listen to the whole album lol. Thanks Andrew you da man!!

[KyleJCrb]

Awesome! Glad to see it's finally out. Congratulations to all of the contributors who kept this thing together and saw it through to completion.

[Liontamer]

Nice work!

[HitoriJaNai]

Having already listened to the album in its entirety (amazing party, w00t w00t), I can say for certain that this is absolutely brilliant. The level of ability on each track stays consistent all over, and it sounds extremely good.

It's like an early Christmas present. :-P

[Black Mage]

God I love it when a project drops out of the blue!

Torrenting now!

[Level 99]

I absolutely hate it, it's garbage.

But seriously, I'm constantly reminded of the incalculable dedication, creativity, and musical mastery of every track's contribution in this project. Kudos to everyone involved, it was a real pleasure working on it with you all, and I hope to do so again soon.

I would like to point out specifically that the flow of the album, which ranges from slow emotional transition to sudden shift, really reflects how each song is used in context of the game. The story itself can practically be told by the music this way, and no matter what genre you're a fan of, you're sure to find something you like on this one.

GO SCUBA DIVING!

[KyleJCrb]

God I love it when a project drops out of the blue!

Haha, you must REALLY have not been (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24370) paying very much attention (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=567882&postcount=49). :lol:

[Nutritious]

So proud to be a part of all this. Everyone really did a great job in all aspects of the project. Props especially to OA for the huge amount of work he's done in music, administration, art, etc.

[Zarggg]

Yay! I've been waiting a long time for this one. :D

[Otakatt]

Yes! *Amazing* job to everyone involved in this masterpiece of an album. <3<3<3 I'm totally writing something more indepth on it later when my eyeballs don't feel ready to drop from the sockets.

[evktalo]

*screams for joy*

Actually, I've almost finished listening already. I love the game, the music, I was pretty excited about the project and I'm feeling very happy now it's out! Sounding really good too. :)

--Eino

[avaris]

Thanks to everyone who has taken a huge amount of their time to make this project as big as it is. We never imagined when this first started it would get such an awesome response; especially from so many people who shared such a deep love for the game and it's music. Thanks dudes! :)

[WillRock]

Downloaded it, but can't listen this minute... :( will listen later, expectations are high :D

[baconium]

I nabbed this yesterday by lurking i nthe listening party thread and finding the torrent link~

Been listening to it pretty much nonstop between gaming sessions and the whole thing completely blows me away. Loving every minute of it. You've all got my thanks for putting out an amazing project; excellent work by everyone involved. :)

[anosou]

I heard this was pretty good! Thanks for including me in the video too, really slick stuff.

[HitoriJaNai]

What else can I say?

...besides that this is awesome, I mean. :-P

[Nero_XIII]

Just listened to the first CD. Amazing stuff as always with a great variety of genres.

Good work!!!

[Cyril the Wolf]

This is my first venture into OCR
OH YEA WONNNG!

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Home page video is great. Very well done! :)

I def have a lot of favorites on this album and it's great audio fidelity will soon be an official OC ReMixer. He's earned it. Superb job everyone.

You'll also find 3 of bLiNd's superior tracks on the project album. It's his best work up to date. Thanks to OA for this project.

[John Revoredo]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET VIDEO!!!!!!!
Plus!..the album is so freaking awesome. I'll be hearing this over and over for a couple of months now on.

Also, thanks for putting my track right on the video!!!!!! hahaha.. The video makes my mix sound better than what it actually does in real life LOL.

[LuketheXjesse]

So far, so good.

Maybe I'll go back and give a more detailed synopsis of the album sometime.

Metal bias makes me instantly like Kidd Cabbage's song >3 (although I will say his guitar tone sort of bothers me)

[ChaosisDelightful]

Very Very nice. Lots of love for FF IV and now THIS!

[Hale-Bopp]

Thought you guys might like to see this if you haven't already: http://kotaku.com/5318013/final-fantasy-iv-gets-overclocked

[prophetik]

hey, this album is absolutely awesome. i forget whose little brother is the one yelling, but it's really funny.

[prophetik]

hey, this whole thing is really great. congrats to everyone who contributed.

[1337 1]

I'm just about to head off on my holiday, but I'll leave this seeding for the next five days while I'm away. You guys couldn't have picked better timing! :<

[atrocity]

Anywhere else I can get the torrent from. Download doesn't seem to work for me. :(

[TimeToKill]

The torrent doesn't work for me either. It adds it to my uTorrent but it doesn't actually download anything.

[atrocity]

I can't even get that far. Seems like the bt.--- server is having load issues is my guess. Anybody else have the torrent and can post it somewhere else for now?

[Abadoss]

hey, this album is absolutely awesome. i forget whose little brother is the one yelling, but it's really funny.

I believe that's Cyril's brother...

[Abadoss]

This has been a real pleasure to work on. I think in a sense, we've all become a bit like family... *cricket, cricket*... uh, good friends... *cricket, cricket*... solid acquantences because of this experience. :P Seriously though, I've had a lot of fun and I've really appreciated the comradarie that I experienced in the process. Good job everyone! This thing seriously rocks!

[Matt E. Waldman]

I'm SO getting this. FFIV is my favorite Final Fantasy(game and music-wise).

I'll definitely be sure to spread the word on this as much as I can, too! :)

[k-wix]

Took me about 12 or so tries to get the torrent going, the link must be getting slammed, but I got it and its going.. a little slow now but whichever! Super excited to check this out ^_^ The preview sounded awesome! can't wait!

[prophetik]

torrent works fine for me, but the ocr tracker is on and off.

[Nekofrog]

Thought you guys might like to see this if you haven't already: http://kotaku.com/5318013/final-fantasy-iv-gets-overclocked

The Kotaku community once again proves itself one notch above the GameFAQs community but one notch below the NeoGAF community in stupidity and utter ignorance.

Honestly, I am usually pretty blasé about these re-interpretations (they're not remixes, I wish people would use that term properly) of game music. It is very, very hit or miss.

Oftentimes they're put out by folks who - like in this case - are very technically capable, but don't seem to know crap about music, thematically or even just what sounds good. The ritualistic butchering of the last battle theme in this particular package, I think, illustrates this pretty well.

When they're good, they're very good, but that by and large comes from having good source material in the first place, and none of that can be attributed to these "remix" authors.

I do always enjoy checking them out though.

I've found that the quality of OC ReMixes has declined in the last several years. It's become like VGMix, where nearly anybody who can put chords together could submit.

Do you remember the high quality of mixes released in the first few years, when djpretzel still made emulation comics? That isn't to say that the new mixes all suck, but rather that there's so much coming out of the site that you have to stay dedicated to listening to posted songs to weed out the bad ones.

And when I say "high quality", I mean Alexander Prievert, McVaffe, Mutagene, Scott Peeples, ailsean, AmIEvil, etc.

Hell, McVaffe, AmIEvil, and ailsean have what are probably the most well-known remixes on the site, with AmIEvil's and ailsean's Terra remixes being the pinnacle of Final Fantasy mixes, and McVaffe is just generally awesome.

Incidentally, the OC albums that have come out in recent years haven't been that good, with the best one being the Super Turbo HD Remix soundtrack, which was good, but not great.

[prophetik]

can i point out i've got 74 posts in the project thread (total: 714 posts)? that makes me kind of important, right?

edit: ninja neko, i KNOW! there were people there saying that this site's quality level has dropped off recently, and nothing beats scott peeples. i mean, seriously! scott peeples!

[SoulinEther]

So far, I'm loving it. I am going through all of it instead of skipping to my favorites from the original.

[The Damned]

I would love to get this, but you seem to have broken the interwebs. Every torrent I try to get fails to load, and a lot of the trackers don't have this listed yet.

Why did you make an album that would break its delivery system once people heard how good it was?

EDIT: Oh, good. It finally managed to connect and start downloading.

[Kureejii Lea]

Congrats to everyone involved!

[Final Hero]

Awesomeness. The Home Page video is rockin', and I'm already on my second play-through of my favorites of the songs. Great job, everyone!

[prophetik]

The Kotaku community once again proves itself one notch above the GameFAQs community but one notch below the NeoGAF community in stupidity and utter ignorance.

don't know crap about music? what a tard. like that poster (who i doubt is over the age of 16) knows anything about what we do here.

[42]

So, I was just browsing Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5318013/final-fantasy-iv-gets-overclocked)..... :<

[Level 99]

I would love to get this, but you seem to have broken the interwebs. Every torrent I try to get fails to load, and a lot of the trackers don't have this listed yet.

Why did you make an album that would break its delivery system once people heard how good it was?

EDIT: Oh, good. It finally managed to connect and start downloading.

We broke the interwebs with our release? Sounds like a win to me. Completely blown away by how many people are trying to connect to torrent right now.

[K.B.]

Nice work!
I demand a photoshopped Cecil nwg. Now.


I finally, just re-beat the game and am now fully awash in nostalgia. So I shall give a critical listen to this over the next couple/few days. But from the second half that I was able to tune in for at the irc kickoff, I was made very happy. Thanks guys. Remixing my favorite game of all time and doing an awesome job at it makes you all officially kickass in my book.

Also, I am so, so incredibly giddy that I have THREE FULL ALBUMS (and then some) to listen to. You guys covered... well... everything, didn't you? I couldn't ask for more.


Question: as tracks get posted on ocr, will there be any that are submitted/posted differently than they appear in the album? I ask because this might save bandwidth (at least from my downloading)... if I know a track is the same as on the album then I won't dl it, but if I think it could possibly be different then I'll dl it anyway. If that sounds AR, well, maybe it is, but I've found (subjectively, at least) better ocr versions before.

[Didaji]

Cool, downloading the album now :)

[Cyril the Wolf]

I believe that's Cyril's brother...

Da, it is. :D

Love the "Lil Wolfie" moniker.

[Abadoss]

There will be some OCR radio edits...

[K.B.]

Carpets Co and I agree again! Wholeheartedly! I might like this guy.

Yes yes so everyone torrent, listen, and give praise in the album review thread. And continue bumping this one for good measure!

[ZealPath]

After having this for a couple days (well, not quite yet I guess) I just have to say I'm so glad this project has come to fruition. Not that I had any doubts, but with this being the first FF game I had ever played, and having come to know what to expect from OCR, the bar was set high, and this album definitely lived up to the hype.

I'd definitely like to do a more in depth breakdown of my opinion of the tracks once I've come to know them all a little better, but right now I'm just glad it's here, and having now experienced the entire album, it's safe to say the album is pretty friggen sweet.

Thanks to everyone involved for a serious dose of awesomeness!!!

PS: I think the Scuba Divers are my new heroes!! I knew as soon as I heard the Team Gato reference that I would love it, but having read that one dude's interview beforehand (the guy who hated it, if you read it you'll know what I'm talking about) I can't help but just laugh more.

[Liontamer]

edit: ninja neko, i KNOW! there were people there saying that this site's quality level has dropped off recently, and nothing beats scott peeples. i mean, seriously! scott peeples!

Brad, stop being a idiot all the time. You don't need to shit on other artists just because some other idiot said something stupid.

[mv]

Enjoying it so far, good work everyone!

"Smiling Hilltop for Four Hands" by Long Dao is fantastic, really enjoyed this one most.

Edit: damn "Somewhere to Hide" is incredible too! and Fallen Dragoon! and..! Yeah I'll write a bigger review when I'll be done listening to them all :P Great stuff!

[pu_freak]

Congrats guys! I'll attempt to review whenever I get the time

[Nosferax]

Any chance we can get a direct download link for whole album? (not rapidshare)... The place I work at is very restrictive and blocks about everything that doesn't seem completely legit (including torrents and rapidshare).

[dPaladin]

Great album, great listening party! I've got a nice little 20:1 share ratio going right now on the torrent too... school's connection is blazing fast during the summer when no one is using it.

[Bahamut]

So, I was just browsing Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/5318013/final-fantasy-iv-gets-overclocked)..... :<

So I clicked it because I rather see what they posted about the FF4 project over their garbage site...and man there were a lot of garbage comments & misconceptions about the site over there. Also it was pretty sad to see one still bitter person post an off-base and incorrect comment there after the unmod deletion (get over it - an article about an album project has nothing to do with your eternal vague grudge).

[prophetik]

Brad, stop being a idiot all the time. You don't need to shit on other artists just because some other idiot said something stupid.

yessir 10chars

[Harmony]

Congrats!! Can't wait to get a chance to sit and listen :)

[Isoitiro]

I've had the CDs since I got it at the Otakon panel and started listening to it as soon as I got home yesterday.. I didn't bring my laptop.. :sleepdepriv:

Anyway, this is completely awesome! I've never played IV but I've heard the music both remixed and not, and I have to say this was done really well. Also now I really want to play some Final Fantasy.. 8-O

[OA]

So I clicked it because I rather see what they posted about the FF4 project over their garbage site...and man there were a lot of garbage comments & misconceptions about the site over there. Also it was pretty sad to see one still bitter person post an off-base and incorrect comment there after the unmod deletion (get over it - an article about an album project has nothing to do with your eternal vague grudge).

a lot of misconceptions by about 15 people tops, when the story has around 12k views. I can live with that. :<

also, 'Eternal Vague Grudge' is an awesome remix name, and I call dibs on it. \m/ :-)

[OA]

Any chance we can get a direct download link for whole album? (not rapidshare)... The place I work at is very restrictive and blocks about everything that doesn't seem completely legit (including torrents and rapidshare).

i'll be doing some minor edits to the site tonight, and i'll link up a complete mp3 + art zip. :-)

[BardicKnowledge]

Listening to disc3 / bonus tracks now, and they are just as good as the first two discs. Absolutely amazing work, everyone!

[orso]

hey, i'm new to the site but this album is amazing.. i never even knew this community existed before winning the CD at otakon! anyway, i ripped the entire thing earlier today and uploaded it so here's a direct download in case there's a lack of seeds, etc.
also i'm really thinking about contributing some bass to future projects. you guys are amazing.

[impurfekt]

I am absolutely blown away by the amount of work the community put together. The range of styles, creativity and quality is amazing. When I heard the little kid in "Metal Mage" I about died laughing. Best remix EVAR. I absolutely love this game and so many of the tracks bring back warm memories. Thanks so much OCReMixers!

I so want to be involved in one of these projects!

[Avatar of Justice]

I've been looking forward to this dropping ever since I heard about it at the OCR MAGFest panel. The Might of Baron is one of the most badass songs I've ever heard. Good job guys!

[Level 99]

I am absolutely blown away by the amount of work the community put together. The range of styles, creativity and quality is amazing. When I heard the little kid in "Metal Mage" I about died laughing. Best remix EVAR. I absolutely love this game and so many of the tracks bring back warm memories. Thanks so much OCReMixers!

I so want to be involved in one of these projects!

This makes me smile so much. :-)

The amount of exposure this site has received lately, and the album inparticular this weekend, is astounding. How badly the site was getting hit last night, and the BT tracker...that much interest, just speaks volumes of the quality all of us strive to bring out of our musical and video game passions. I'm gonna stop talking now. :tomatoface:

[Hyperion5182]

When i try to download the torrent it says access denied. What's going on?

[Cyril the Wolf]

also, 'Eternal Vague Grudge' is an awesome remix name, and I call dibs on it. \m/ :-)

GAR! How dare you get here first. D:

;) It is though.

[Final Hero]

I have a question, now that I come to think about it: Does anyone have a list of which songs were used in the video, and in which order?

I've been able to figure out most of them on my own, but there's like two that I can't quite place.

[OA]

I have a question, now that I come to think about it: Does anyone have a list of which songs were used in the video, and in which order?

I've been able to figure out most of them on my own, but there's like two that I can't quite place.

osv theme of love
theme of love for guitar duet
full of courage
goodbye cid...
ana(pro)logue
there are no angels in the skies for us
rhymes with elixir
metal mage
almost fell for the trojan..
of fiend and man
golbez 'n goblins
fighting for tomorrow
the might of baron
OMFG! GET OUT OF THERE!!
step into the light
somewhere to hide
the flying machine

[Final Hero]

osv theme of love
theme of love for guitar duet
full of courage
goodbye cid...
ana(pro)logue
there are no angels in the skies for us
rhymes with elixir
metal mage
almost fell for the trojan..
of fiend and man
golbez 'n goblins
fighting for tomorrow
the might of baron
OMFG! GET OUT OF THERE!!
step into the light
somewhere to hide
the flying machine

Awesome! Thanks. "Of Fiend and Man" and "The Flying Machine" were the two that I was having trouble placing... which is odd, because "The Flying Machine" is one I've listened to a lot, lol.

[DarkeSword]

hey, i'm new to the site but this album is amazing.. i never even knew this community existed before winning the CD at otakon! anyway, i ripped the entire thing earlier today and uploaded it so here's a direct download in case there's a lack of seeds, etc.
also i'm really thinking about contributing some bass to future projects. you guys are amazing.

orso, thanks for your consideration, but please don't distribute a version that you ripped from the CDs and tagged yourself. The digital copies we're distributing were meticulously tagged with the proper artist information and album art. If you want to help out with distribution, just download the files from the torrent and seed that. :)

[John Revoredo]

Awesome! Thanks. "Of Fiend and Man" and "The Flying Machine" were the two that I was having trouble placing... which is odd, because "The Flying Machine" is one I've listened to a lot, lol.

Yeah!!! Flying machine 4 THE WIN! haha!

bLiNd's golbez 'n goblins was one of the most awesome shit i've ever heard. That guy's skills on techno beats are amazing.

[DragonAvenger]

There's so much that I want to say, but I can't remember it all to post.

The amount of sites that I was able to check out that are featuring the album is astounding. I can't wait to see everyone's reactions to this wonderful project.

I don't think many people can understand just how hard OA worked on this. I talk to him a lot on AIM, and there were very few times he WASN'T working on this in some shape or form. I can't give him enough praise for what he did to really make this project come alive. Thank you, OA.

[JH Sounds]

Incidentally, is the album registered at CDDB or whatever?

[orso]

alright, sorry about that. i had already uploaded everything before even checking the site out and finding out there was a direct download being made anyway. anyway the album is incredible and you guys are amazing, even though i was called ringo starr and insane at the panel, hahaha.

[Abadoss]

alright, sorry about that. i had already uploaded everything before even checking the site out and finding out there was a direct download being made anyway. anyway the album is incredible and you guys are amazing, even though i was called ringo starr and insane at the panel, hahaha.

Those are terms of endearment, I'm sure...

[Deathtank]

WOO!!! Congratulations to all the people who were involved in this project! Can't wait to listen to it... :sad:

[richter]

The source material is very dear to my heart (I've played through every version of this game, some multiple times), and I'm already a grumpy old man, so forgive me if I'm overly brutal. Anyway, here are my (terse) reviews:

Full of Courage Sample quality is pretty good. Nice and loud for an orchestral piece, that's usually a problem but not here. Transitions are pretty abrupt. Sounds almost like a "how many themes can you fit into 4:46?" contest entry. Just enough time to recognize the theme, then move on.

The Might of Baron Out of guitars, orchestral and chiptune sounds, I usually only like 2/3 being used, not all 3 together. Sounds messy otherwise. That said, the guitars are really prominent and enjoyable. It's a busy song without sounded too cluttered. Starting around 3:00, the sample quality is pretty low, and the transitions into new themes is again very abrupt. Lead guitar gets buried under the rhythm in the later part of the song. Ending is really sloppy, feels rushed.

Tellah's Prophecy They sound good separately, but not digging the string lead with the otherwise very cool synthy sounds. Given that it's a medley, it doesn't sound like it changes much except for throwing the various themes in. Pretty enjoyable though!

Journey to Solace Again, not a fan of heavy synth with orchestral sounds. This is a really dull song, very unventful with uninteresting sound choices. 2:35 is an awkward transition, feels clumsy. And the second half is pretty verbatim. Not a fan of this one.

Prologue Really enjoying the bright synth sounds. The first lead is a little cheesy. Gets really fun around 1:05. Haha Balloons wtf?? The other themes thrown in made me smile. Reminds of of a Sonic ending theme or something. Good times!

Read the Sine Chris is obviously very talented but I've never cared for the squealy synth sounds he likes to use. This has some really interesting sounds though.

The Skies Hold No Angels for Us Holy shit epic, you guys nailed this. Gets weird in the middle … Still good though.

Golbez 'n Goblins As amazing as usual from bLiNd! Even love the title. This guy's good ;)

That's as far as I got. Hopefully more later!

I left out some of the songs between because I had nothing positive to say about them. I feel that a lot of these should have been cut instead of dumping out 50+ songs, that's really excessive IMO. Again, sorry if I'm a bit harsh. Hope you guys don't mind some (sometimes) constructive critism :)

[JadeAuto]

Posting my partial thoughts on the album (will edit later for full review)

Golbez 'N Goblins: Awesome. bLiNd is totally upping the ante, turning a gloomy piece into some fantastic trance. This. Kicks. Ass.

Somewhere to Hide: Wow. Just... Wow. I love this piece, and I'm so going to make it a ringtone on my phone. Just trying to figure out which of the awesome parts of it to do so with. The vocals combined with the back and forth of the piece just nail the mood of this song. I can so see this playing properly and fitting perfectly while playing FFIV.

More to come.

By the way, has anyone thought of a "Let's Play" FFIV, and taking it a step farther by subbing in the Echoes, Light soundtrack in place of the original? Heh....

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Somewhere to Hide: Wow. Just... Wow. I love this piece, and I'm so going to make it a ringtone on my phone. Just trying to figure out which of the awesome parts of it to do so with. The vocals combined with the back and forth of the piece just nail the mood of this song. I can so see this playing properly and fitting perfectly while playing FFIV.

Finally, someone comments on this one. I LOVED this one. hy bound needs more attention!! :P

[Tmansdc]

I hope to have this all downloaded by thursday night. I only get access to real internet 12 hours a week cause of some stupid reason i don't want to say.


Maybe I can give a good review of this by Sunday!


Plus I need to learn music theory/terms/etc. better lol.

[prophetik]

i like how my track is so generic that no one notices it.

the first two tracks, the ones by nutritious and audio fidelity, are really spanking. love them both. nutritious's track is really well crafted - excellent use of original and vg material.

[DuoNishiki]

I'm just about done listening to each and every song to its entirity. I'm currently on the Genesis of Destruction mix, and I'm utterly blown away by the complete epicness of this song. It's so good that I'm lost for words. About all I can say is that it reminds me a lot of Black Wing Metamorphosis in terms of epicness, and that I felt like I just got off of Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster rollercoaster after I finished listening to it. I'm hard pressed to say which is better, so I'll simply say that they both rock out hard.

Final Fantasy IV is my favorite Final Fantasy out of the entire franchise (that's a whole lot of Fs for you), so this album is officially going on my "eternally the awesomeness" list.

Thank you, to each and every ReMixer and individual that made this project come alive. Props to each and every mixer for each and every song.

Or to sum it up like a true internet junkie, OCREMIX FTW!!!1!11!

[Nutritious]

i like how my track is so generic that no one notices it.

the first two tracks, the ones by nutritious and audio fidelity, are really spanking. love them both. nutritious's track is really well crafted - excellent use of original and vg material.

Thanks, dude, I appreciate it. As for your track, I actually only discovered it recently and find it extremely catchy. It's literally been in my head the past two days. I plan on reviewing it when it's posted on the front page (you did sub it, right?)

[K.B.]

"Smiling Hilltop for Four Hands" by Long Dao is fantastic, really enjoyed this one most.
I concur. I started my serious listening with trepidation due to the uncertainty of what might be done with my second-favorite vg track of all time. Once I heard Dao's take, I smiled the biggest smile. And I cried a little. Beautiful. So perfectly articulate; every emotion, every significance is enhanced.

1:10.

LD nailed it. Phenomenal. Thank you so much.


Edit: The in-game significance of the "four hands" part of the title hit me this afternoon, then the entire title clicked. He surely was smiling. I never thought about it quite that way before... how agonizingly bittersweet and touching.

[Monobrow]

Question: as tracks get posted on ocr, will there be any that are submitted/posted differently than they appear in the album? I ask because this might save bandwidth (at least from my downloading)... if I know a track is the same as on the album then I won't dl it, but if I think it could possibly be different then I'll dl it anyway. If that sounds AR, well, maybe it is, but I've found (subjectively, at least) better ocr versions before.

My bonus track, Smooth Sun of Magma will probably be submitted within the next month or so, so you won't see it for a while.

The story with that song was that in late June, audiofidelity asked me to give him an old, unfinished version for the bonus that I collabed with Long Dao on. However I said F THAT and said I would redo it... I had to redo it from scratch because I no longer had the same sample library or even the project file.

Anyway I redid it some last month, but did most of the work on it July 10th (all night while packing before camping) and turned it in on the 11th. While I think the song is nice for the album, I am really not happy with how a lot of it turned out because I have been so busy and it was pretty damn rushed. Also Protricity basically did most of the drums that night as well.

The version I will probably submit will be much cleaner and have better drums, that I will redo (again) myself. So yeah, expect it to be a bit different if you hear an OCR version.

THE END!

[Chernabogue]

Awesome job, congratulations to every person who worked on this project ! Every ReMix is great ! :nicework:

[Nec5]

bLiNd's Bridge to Eternity is easily the best song on the album. It captures the heart and soul of the original and takes it up several notches. As for the rest, many strayed into the hard rock or rock opera area. A pity.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

bLiNd's Bridge to Eternity is easily the best song on the album. It captures the heart and soul of the original and takes it up several notches. As for the rest, many strayed into the hard rock or rock opera area. A pity.

Yeah.. it's always that damn rock or orch on this website. We need more electronic for sure. :P

[tweek]

bLiNd's Bridge to Eternity is easily the best song on the album. It captures the heart and soul of the original and takes it up several notches. As for the rest, many strayed into the hard rock or rock opera area. A pity.

As a project that has been labeled and marketed as more of a "Rock Opera" production, I fail to see how it's a pity that many of the tracks reflect that.........

[audio fidelity]

I just want say that I love this album and every track on it.

To all the remixers - you all did an awesome job with your tracks and I hope you all are proud of the finished product.

I've met some amazing people because of this project and the experience of making music with all you guys has and will always be the best part.

Thanks everyone for making this happen.

And to all the fans of FFIV, this is for you and I hope you give each track a chance because to me this album stands only together as a whole.

[pikes]

I registered just so I could comment and give my support to you guys. FFIV is my favorite FF game and I LOVE the music. I can't wait to hear the entire thing. You guys are great!

[Tostilism]

I joined up to comment on this because I couldn't let this go unaddressed. Final Fantasy IV is my favorite game of all time and I'm very familiar with the tracks supposedly being covered. I really didn't care for this at all and have been looking forward to it for quite some time. With the exception of 2 tracks, the other 44 strayed so far from the source material that it was just uninteresting. Every time I thought one was headed in the right direction (track 2, CD1), things started spiraling downhill. The routine in almost every track seemed to be to play the cover song through once and then, for the rest of the track, play whatever you want with a few vague hints here and there of what you're actually covering. I certainly recognize the talent involved here (with the exception of one track* in particular which I'll address), but it just seems to have been misused. Most of this sounds like it should be on a demo CD promoting yourself and your own areas of expertise in the music world rather than on a compilation meant to cover songs composed by someone else. :?

*The Chocobo rap song...wow. You're doing it wrong. I couldn't even make it through that disrespectful piece. :-x

[Nekofrog]

Look up the words "remix" and "arrangement".

Thank you.

[KyleJCrb]

*The Chocobo rap song...wow. You're doing it wrong. I couldn't even make it through that disrespectful piece. :-x

That's the best track on the whole thing.

[Tensei]

*The Chocobo rap song...wow. You're doing it wrong. I couldn't even make it through that disrespectful piece. :-x

Man are you tripping, that song is arguably one of the better ones.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

With the exception of 2 tracks, the other 44 strayed so far from the source material that it was just uninteresting.

You didn't say, but which 2 did you only like?

[quintin3265]

You didn't say, but which 2 did you only like?

I agree with the assessment that most of the songs strayed too far from the source material. I kept waiting for some arrangement to hit the original out of the park, but that didn't come.

One weakness of OverClocked albums is that many artists contribute to them. In one way, that's great, because lots of tracks are submitted, but it also creates so many different styles that the album lacks cohesiveness.

This album contains great music, worthy of listening to many times, but I don't think it's as strong when considered as a story, or when considered as remixes of FF4 songs.

[Tostilism]

I assure you, I'm quite educated and know the meaning of both words. My expectations were clearly different from yours, that's all. Thank you.

About the rap song, may I remind that it's just my opinion I shared. I care for very little rap in general so, naturally, I wouldn't care for this.

I enjoyed the tracks titled "Bridge to Eternity (Within the Giant)" and "Facing (Epilogue)."

[MichaelTheCrow]

As quoted from the track Metal Mage (Palom and Porom):
"That was AWESUM!"
Pretty much my outlook on the entire album.

[Sonaeru]

I actually won one of the 3-disc album sets they were giving away at the OCR panel at Otakon this past weekend. I'm halfway through disc 3, and I can't find the words to describe how amazingly well-done it is. Props to everyone who worked on this incredible remix album.

Great job on the panel, too. :3

[Sole Signal]

Simply, a great selection of tracks from a great selection of artists. As for the arrangement critiques (applied to my track by way of sweeping generalizations), it would have been very easy to just plug a midi into a sequencer and update the sounds. Where's the enjoyment in that? The artists here did a fantastic job of balancing each source with a fresh new feel.

Let's do it all again sometime.:tomatoface:

[Bahamut]

So a lot of people know that I love various tracks, and continually find more to appreciate with each listen of the project.

However, I want to take this post to compliment Lisa Bela (Genesis of Destruction) & Nutritious (the two bonus tracks with him for Genesis of Destruction) for their voices - great job you two, and I hope to hear more of both of you in the future!

[<Eclipse>]

Very cool album! A big thanks goes out to everyone involved in creating it!


Out of the whole thing, there were really only a few tracks I didn't care for, two of which are simply because I don't like the original versions of those specific tracks to begin with. However, putting aside the few flaws I had issue with, this has been a very enjoyable album to listen to, and has been almost the only thing I've listened to for the past couple days.

It always seemed that FF4 was one of the forgotten Final Fantasy games, as it was quickly overshadowed by later games in the series. One key issue was that the graphics and sounds became quickly outdated soon after FF4, and although I enjoyed that game, I always wanted to hear a different take on the music.

[revenge_of_quatermass]

Awesome job, congratulations to every person who worked on this project ! Every ReMix is great ! :nicework:

EVERY? c'mon one shouldn't be on there, it's an embarassment to the site and the project. It cheapens and lessens everybody's contributions, it's shameful even it's on there.

[Tansunn]

I demand a photoshopped Cecil nwg. Now.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb318/tansunn/NiceWorkCecil.jpg


Now that that's out of the way, I just have to say that this was an amazing album. With the exception of a few tracks, I had a smile on my face from start to finish. I was pleased to hear the uniqueness of the arrangements, not only in relation to the original soundtrack, but from track to track. I honestly believe that everybody can find something to like on the album, even if they're not a fan of Final Fantasy.

I don't feel it necessary to comment on the tracks I didn't like since it's a matter of personal taste, and I wouldn't say the tracks I didn't like were badly done*, just not my style.


*Except for one. What the hell is up with "Zeromus the Serialist"? It sounds like someone took a MIDI file that was intended for a variety of instruments and then set every channel to piano, including the drum track, resulting in a horrible chaotic mess. And it's touted as a "bonus" track. I thought a bonus was supposed to be a good thing. That's like loading up a DVD and going through the bonus features only to have it shoot pepper spray at you.

[Otakatt]

That photoshop just killed me... haha.

Okay, I didn't write up anything immediately afterwards, because I wanted some time to absorb the album so when I wrote about it it wouldn't be a big fapfest. Well, it still is, for the most part, but I do give some honest criticism. :x

So yeah, I wrote up a very informal TL;DR "review" of the album on one of my blogs that no one ever really reads. Figured more exposure couldn't hurt? I didn't review each and every track, though. But yeah, here it is!

http://mscatlady.blogspot.com/2009/07/final-fantasy-iv-echoes-of-betrayal.html

The gist of it is that you guys totally rock and are awesomesauce!

[audio fidelity]

*Except for one. What the hell is up with "Zeromus the Serialist"? It sounds like someone took a MIDI file that was intended for a variety of instruments and then set every channel to piano, including the drum track, resulting in a horrible chaotic mess. And it's touted as a "bonus" track. I thought a bonus was supposed to be a good thing. That's like loading up a DVD and going through the bonus features only to have it shoot pepper spray at you.


AWESOME!

i totally feel elated that i did my job with that track :P ha

and yes you are completely right about the delivery and presentation - it's not a serious track - and i actually would have preferred not including it on the torrent - i hope you made it out alive

[Tansunn]

Nope, I died. The rest of the album more than made up for it, though.

[Tensei]

About the rap song, may I remind that it's just my opinion I shared. I care for very little rap in general so, naturally, I wouldn't care for this.




The fact that you have an apparent genre bias does not in any way make this particular ReMix 'disrespectful'.

[Fishy]

-++I enjoyed the tracks titled "Bridge to Eternity (Within the Giant)" and "Facing (Epilogue)."

Probably beacuase I took no risks whatsoever with my arrangement while I was rushing to meet the deadlines :p.

I have no problem with changing up tracks radically, as long as you can still clearly hear the original. I think its fair to say sometimes OCR likes to blur that line a bit, but its not usually as bad as people say it is. They just want to hear the original so uh... listening to the original?

[prophetik]

you know that the scuba divers track was a joke, right?

[prophetik]

Probably beacuase I took no risks whatsoever with my arrangement while I was rushing to meet the deadlines :p.

what a hack

so, if you subbed this, it'd get auto-accepted, right? YES OVERRIDE?

[Nutritious]

So yeah, I wrote up a very informal TL;DR "review" of the album on one of my blogs that no one ever really reads. Figured more exposure couldn't hurt? I didn't review each and every track, though. But yeah, here it is!

http://mscatlady.blogspot.com/2009/07/final-fantasy-iv-echoes-of-betrayal.html

The gist of it is that you guys totally rock and are awesomesauce!

Thanks for the extended review, Otaku! I'm glad you enjoyed my music.

Just a note, I collaborated with OA on Fighting for Tomorrow, not AF :)

[prophetik]

A Long Way to Go is probably the piece from the game I'm least familiar with. It's just kind of... there. And not terribly interesting to me. But it got love too, just as all the other tracks did. Long Time Gone from the prophet of mephisto is a pretty catchy track, but I have trouble relating it to FFIV. It's not through any fault of theirs or anything, just my own personal infamiliarity with the source. Sorry!

it's one of those tracks that uematsu used occasionally just for the heck of it. i liked the melody when i was listening to the available tracks, and so i jumped on that one. it's nowhere near what i originally thought it'd sound like, either, considering that my first version was orchestratal with drums and guitar, and then i wound up being super-electronic.

[Level 99]

So yeah, I wrote up a very informal TL;DR "review" of the album on one of my blogs that no one ever really reads. Figured more exposure couldn't hurt? I didn't review each and every track, though. But yeah, here it is!

http://mscatlady.blogspot.com/2009/07/final-fantasy-iv-echoes-of-betrayal.html

The gist of it is that you guys totally rock and are awesomesauce!

Just so you know, it's stuff like this that has kept my heart melted in a puddle on the floor this entire week thus far in absolute glee.

[OA]

I don't think he was talking about the scuba divers track...

>_>

<_<

[DragonAvenger]

you know that the scuba divers track was a joke, right?


Why do you immediately assume that he's talking about "Rhymes with Elixer"?

>.>

<.<


EDIT: AUGH beaten

[OA]

ok that is freaky right there.

[DragonAvenger]

Psychic connection = go

[Level 99]

Quick note: how come so many of us have quotes from OA in our sigs? I think he's invaded all of our minds by now.

Edit: and by so many, I mean three of us.

[Majin GeoDooD]

bLiNd's golbez 'n goblins was one of the most awesome shit i've ever heard. That guy's skills on techno beats are amazing.

Agreed.. I was a bit skeptical at first of that song being performed in that style but once it got going OH MAN. I can't stop listening to it.

[prophetik]

you know that the scuba divers track was a joke, right?

i was joking

[zenrat]

I love this set. So far my fav track is "Ana(pro)logue" I love the 80s music just kinda snuck in towards the end.

[OA]

Quick note: how come so many of us have quotes from OA in our sigs? I think he's invaded all of our minds by now.



i think it's more like the lack of sleep i've gotten recently has made me say some weird stuff.

[DJ-star]

This Looks (and sounds) AWESOME!!

I just join not to long ago (so this site release free albums like that from time to time?)
eather way I'm so telling my friends about this site.

[audio fidelity]

Just a note, I collaborated with OA on Fighting for Tomorrow, not AF :)
i just helped with the choir, koto, and some bass - Nutritious did all the orchestra

[DragonAvenger]

i think it's more like the lack of sleep i've gotten recently has made me say some weird stuff.

OA wants to have DrumUltima's babies.

[OA]

OA wants to have DrumUltima's dragon babies.

fixed it for you

[prophetik]

aren't you married or something?

[OA]

yes, and I love my wife very much.

But dragon babies are different.

[Otakatt]

Glad you like the review!

I edited it to change AF to Nutritious where pointed out, and to fix a surprising number of typos I made. ~.~

[anosou]

This thread is filled with strange but amusing project-participant-incest. I approve.

[nrich]

i'm really glad to see the heavy promotion worked and how well received the project's become. granted i wasn't there from the beginning for the painstakingly long process of production and release, but i knew it'd be an outstanding follow-up to the success of voices of the lifestream

great job to everyone. looking forward very much to the next endeavor

[SwordBreaker]

Just downloaded the album and I'm listening through. I'm in Act 2 and there's some good stuff thus far. Just wanted to plug in this...Chocobo Chocobo surprised the hell out of me! Honestly never expected an arrangement like this at all. The beat is really cool and dark compared to the lightheartedness of the original...but then the rap and lyrics come in and change the track completely. Kind of reminds me of D12's "Fight Music" in a way. Lots of Crazy Crackaz in there, too. Nice work, Scuba Divers. Despite not being my cup of tea, I'm really digging this mix.

BTW, just wanna be sure on whether or not Liontamer actually rapped on this or just did the intro. 'cause that first part kind of sounds like Larry...then again I haven't heard him perform before so...

I'll be back with more detailed impressions. Loving what I'm hearing though.

[prophetik]

bone me plz

[DragonAvenger]

bone me plz

You're not a dragon yet. Also, on a similar note....OA refused.

On a REAL topic related note, hanging out in the chatroom for the live radio stream internet show promoting EOBLOF was fun!

[DragonAvenger]

Just downloaded the album and I'm listening through. I'm in Act 2 and there's some good stuff thus far. Just wanted to plug in this...Chocobo Chocobo surprised the hell out of me! Honestly never expected an arrangement like this at all. The beat is really cool and dark compared to the lightheartedness of the original...but then the rap and lyrics come in and change the track completely. Kind of reminds me of D12's "Fight Music" in a way. Lots of Crazy Crackaz in there, too. Nice work, Scuba Divers. Despite not being my cup of tea, I'm really digging this mix.

BTW, just wanna be sure on whether or not Liontamer actually rapped on this or just did the intro. 'cause that first part kind of sounds like Larry...then again I haven't heard him perform before so...

I'll be back with more detailed impressions. Loving what I'm hearing though.

Larry only is part of the intro.

Also, for some extra information, MomAvenger is also in Rhymes With Elixer!!! No one will ever guess where, though.

[audio fidelity]

ah! i didn't know this! way to go momavenger!

[SwordBreaker]

LOL. Go MomAvenger! I'm guessing that she's part of the audience. :P

Thanks for the info, dudet. Scuba Divers came out of nowhere in any case. Never heard of them before this track. Cool group.

[DragonAvenger]

She is specifically the whistling you can hear in the intro. Specially recruited for that crucial part.

[caitsith2]

Took me a bit to figure out what parts are song together, and how, in Act 3-12, under


Together, we'll fight for our world,
And protect it from this fiend
(Fire from within)
We must prevail
*Let me teach you how to suffer,
My hate is supreme,
And you will not stop me!*
(Essence born of hate)
Never we will lay down to,
Your sick and twisted lunacy
(Cleansing bloodstained wings)
*Life will cease when all is destroyed,
I will bring the end,
So come and meet your fate!*
(Deep beyond Hell's gates)


Happens like this. (Grouped, where 1 & 1 is together, 2 & 2 is together, and so on.

1 Together, we'll fight for our world,
1 (Fire from)
2 And protect it from this fiend
2 (within)
3 We must prevail
3 *Let me teach you how to suffer,
4 My hate is supreme,*
4 (Essence born)
5 *And you will not stop me!*
5 (of hate)
6 Never we will lay down to,
6 (Cleansing)
7 Your sick and twisted lunacy
7 (bloodstained wings)
8 *Life will cease when all is destroyed,*
9 *I will bring the end,*
9 (Deep beyond)
A *So come and meet your fate!*
A (Hell's gates)

Yes, this track is awesome.

-----

Also, who skipped putting in the lyrics for 2-02 Metal Mage? Anyway, it consists of these lines.

Come on people, I want metal
faster, faster
yeah
break it down
yeah
guitar solo
That was Awesome

[KyleJCrb]

BTW, just wanna be sure on whether or not Liontamer actually rapped on this or just did the intro. 'cause that first part kind of sounds like Larry...then again I haven't heard him perform before so...

Larry is far too white to be able to rhyme like that. He sounds more like this (http://olremix.org/remixes/99).

[audio fidelity]

thanks caitsith! - you got it

documented :D

[Didaji]

I have now listened to all tracks. Its so awesome.

Great job everybody involved !!!! :)

[Wander]

I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this post, but I think MY OPINION MATTERS ALSO I'M COMMUNIST. Anyway, formalities aside...

I was thoroughly disappointed with this project, especially after having downloaded the FLAC version (took off a good 1.5 GB of my 10 GB cap). I do appreciate the amount of work that has been put into this, but I cannot deny my dissatisfaction.

First of all, the whole concept of "remixing" doesn't sit well with me. Listening to the old SNES version of the FFIV soundtrack brings back memories. Makes me feel nostalgic, even. After listening to this remixed album, I couldn't stop shaking my head. The songs I knew - someone had taken what was once a masterpiece and turned it into their own "interpretation".

Second, the general flow of the album - it's weird. Especially since it's a collaborative album, the songs each have an incredibly different feel to the last. Given its operatic (I mean the whole all-in-song style, not crazy sopranos belting it out) presentation, I would have thought that I would be addicted to beginning to end. This was not the case. I found myself skipping through tracks that didn't sit well with the mood the last one put me in.

Let's take a look at Jesus Christ Superstar, by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. Now, granted, none of you (the 'mixers) are on par with a composer like Andrew Lloyd Webber, but regardless, I'll make the comparison. Jesus Christ Superstar is a rock opera, in that the whole production is in song. When listening to on a soundtrack, it still gives the feel that a story is being told. From the Overture to John 19:41, the whole album simply works when listened to in order. The songs flow into the next very well, especially in Act II where the tension of the characters builds up very well. What I found with Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption (bad name, by the way) was that it was simply everyone setting off and doing their own "thang" and then coming back and sticking the songs in order. This is where it fails as an album. The mood is absolutely wrong. For those of you who haven't listened to Jesus Christ Superstar, you should. It's a great audio experience.

That being said, however, there are some genuine gems in the album, though I won't name any to avoid butthurt. I must say that overall, it's a thumbs down from me.

[Rozovian]

I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this post....

(here be a tale of broken expectations and distaste for interpretation, starring Wander, co-starring Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice with special guest star Jesus Christ)

That being said, however, there are some genuine gems in the album, though I won't name any to avoid butthurt. I must say that overall, it's a thumbs down from me.

Who gets butthurt by having their track named a gem? This is the internet, everybody hates. :D Just name the gems, the artists would probably appreciate that much more than hearing the album they contributed to was overall a disappointment to you.

[DragonAvenger]

First of all, the whole concept of "remixing" doesn't sit well with me. Listening to the old SNES version of the FFIV soundtrack brings back memories. Makes me feel nostalgic, even. After listening to this remixed album, I couldn't stop shaking my head. The songs I knew - someone had taken what was once a masterpiece and turned it into their own "interpretation".

I have little problem with the rest of your post, but this bothers me in the fact that the entire site is dedicatd to "remixing" (as you put it). If you went to a VG cover site and heard an album like this, then yes, I could understand why you would complain, but on OCReMix what were you expecting to hear aside from 'remixed' songs?

[drougnor]

I just want to start off by saying I'm a new poster, but a long time listener. This collection is absolutely fantastic and lives up to the expectations I have grown with every release over the years.

With that, something has to be said . . .

I joined up to comment on this because I couldn't let this go unaddressed.

Specifically about the post I am quoting from. Where to start . . .

Final Fantasy IV is my favorite game of all time and I'm very familiar with the tracks supposedly being covered.
and
I really didn't care for this at all and have been looking forward to it for quite some time.

Don't start off with obvious 'entitlement' and follow it up with 'bastardly entitlement' if you want the rest of your post to be taken seriously. Just a suggestion. The pedigree of your fanboy/fangirl'ism won't win you any points when you intend to tear down someone's art. Nor will it 'endear' you to those you are about to tear down.

With the exception of 2 tracks, the other 44 strayed so far from the source material that it was just uninteresting. Every time I thought one was headed in the right direction (track 2, CD1), things started spiraling downhill.

I struggle to 'follow' the complaint. EVERY track I have listened to stays VERY faithful to the source material to my ear. I really just don't get where you are coming from.

The routine in almost every track seemed to be to play the cover song through once and then, for the rest of the track, play whatever you want with a few vague hints here and there of what you're actually covering.

Oh, wait, I think I'm seeing what's happening here. You seem to have the concept of an OC Remix 'cover' album (The term you were reaching for was Remix, not cover) confused. The 'problem' you describe is exactly the INTENT of every OCR album I've ever listened to. These people are artists who are inspired by well known source material, and as such, include the source in their own work, but don't set out to make a slavish reproduction. Any competent instrumentalist can do that.

I certainly recognize the talent involved here (with the exception of one track* in particular which I'll address), but it just seems to have been misused.

Again with the 'backhanded entitlement'. By stating that you recognize the talent, it seems to me that you are trying to engender some support for the upcoming negative statement. Really, it just makes you look like a dick. Not a personal attack, just keep that in mind when giving a critique.

Most of this sounds like it should be on a demo CD promoting yourself and your own areas of expertise in the music world rather than on a compilation meant to cover songs composed by someone else.

I agree that these artists should be promoting themselves, shamelessly, even . . . But they do the albums they do out of love for the art. Oh, and once again, you miss the intent - your usage of 'cover' implys to me that you think they should only slavishly 'recreate' instead of what they call it: ReMixing.

And lastly -

*The Chocobo rap song...wow. You're doing it wrong. I couldn't even make it through that disrespectful piece.

So, just what did they do wrong? I heard a piece that caught my ear in such a way that I look forward to it playing again every time I listen to the compilation. You state later that you dislike rap, which is no crime. I happen to dislike MOST rap with a fiery passion, yet, I loved the HELL out of this song. It was a great performance that, in my opinion, comes out of left field, kicks you in the stomach to grab your attention, holds your attention the entire time and leaves you with a smile, wondering if you just heard what you just heard. I had to rewind it three times just to verify I wasn't insane.

I challenge you to go back and listen to the ENTIRE compilation once if not twice to listen for the very reasons you listed that you dislike the album. Ignore that there are changes to the source. Allow the artistry to come through. Otherwise, what you are saying is that you'd rather extract the tracks from the cartridge and listen to them in their original VG sound format, which is also a great idea, but TOTALLY makes your bothering to download this album something you did just so you could complain.

Anyway, I plan to go back and write up a much more comprehensive review other than my above "This was great!" and will try not to ramble on about other's needlessly attacking the art.

This has simply been my $.02. Take it or leave it . . . Just try to leave me some change, eh? Inflation's a killer these days.

d

[Level 99]

Wow, looks like someone beat me to the punch! Anyways, here's what I was gonna post:

Just doing my normal chiming in here:

Thus far, I've heard a lot of people's reactions to the album. Some people, like myself, love every track on the project. Also some people, like myself, did work on the project so may have a little bit of a bias there :-P but regardless, many people who weren't a part of it said they love it all, many people have said they like a lot of song, quite a few have said they like at least one or two songs, and I may recall a small few saying they didn't like anything. Regardless, the vast majority have found that they like at least ONE song, and honestly, for that, the project should be considered a success. This truly is a "there's something for everyone" project, and from both a video game arrangement standpoint and even listening to it without knowing the source (there aren't many, but I'm sure someone has!), I think it all was worth it. Even if it was all garbage, we still had a blast making it and after all the work we did it was released for free. I guess the only complaint then would be that we took 3+ hours of your life away if you listened to every track, but just like Hans Moleman said: "I would have just wasted them anyway." :-o

I'll slip back into the shadows now.

And with that *slip*

[prophetik]

hey, it's an album. take what you want, ditch what you don't. just don't complain unless you make your own music.

was mine one of the ones that was true to the source? because i used all the original chords and ripped the melody straight from the midi. i'm guessing it wasn't one of your midirip gems, because i attempted to add other stuff in there that wasn't originally part of the track. does that make it worse? no, it doesn't.

also, commies run this place so i'll bet they love you :<

[Executives]

It's been a long time since I played this game, but I remember just how great the battle themes were. Watching my brother play the DS version makes those fun nostalgic memories come back. That being said, I did not like the treatments to the battle themes.

Of Fiend and Man

Standard battle theme that you hear throughout the game. The original theme was faster than this version. I thought the guitar effects were fun, but the song started to sound a bit like Kashmere, and that's bit slower than what I wanted.

Virtually the same beginning measures are repeated and elaborated, but you don't progress to the rest of the battle theme. OR, if you do, it wasn't in a noticeable way, and that was disappointing, since that is one of the more memorable moments in the song.

Survival Instinct

The song starts out very Britney Spears 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' ish. The electronic sounds are interesting, but I was disappointed at the sound effect used for the main theme. It made me think of some strange electro-circus. Listening to early Depeche Mode albums would help understand to this.

The countermelody that ran the same time as the main was overpowering for me, and took me away from the main melody. This would've been fine had the countermelody been interesting to me. It, however, wasn't, so it proved annoying.

The quiet breakdown around 2:40 is neat, but then the instrumentation that I didn't like from before comes back in, so I am disappointed once more.

The beginning measures of the theme seem to play a lot, and there is not enough of the second half of the melody present. Much like Battle Theme 1, I think this wasn't expressed enough.


Overall, I agree with a sentiment that was expressed earlier. These songs are well done and demonstrate a thorough understanding of music composition and generation. However, I believe it did not convey enough of the original songs to make me happy. I didn't get any goosebumps listening to these.:sleepzzz:

[audio fidelity]

i really enjoy tweek's track when i get the image of a battle that just doesn't want to end hehe - it's a pretty unrelenting aggressive take on the source

and anyone who doesn't like depeche mode isn't a friend of mine ha - jk

We also have interviews for the remixers of the project at:
http://highermusic.wordpress.com/

there will be more going up over the weekend - check it out and get an inside scope of the album

[Mirby]

I respect your opinion, Wander, because everyone (except Hitler) is entitled to their opinions. But, why would you visit this site if you like the originals and don't like when people remix them? I like this site because I like the original tracks, and seeing how other people have interpreted said tracks and made them their own is pretty darn cool. The original OST is one of my favorite soundtracks too. And, ever since discovering this site (for the fifth time), I love the work here. Sure, there are some tracks I don't like, but all in all, what they do here is pretty cool. And the video game music industry obviously likes it. Regardless, I hear your opinion, and I respect. My own opinion? This album kicks ass!

That is all.

[<Eclipse>]

I'm a bit amused by some of the people who aren't so interested in remixed versions of VG music, yet they decided to download the album, and even bothered to register to post in the forum. It's really simple: If you don't like remixes, don't even bother coming to this site. You can listen to the original tracks if that's what you really prefer. The remixes on this site are the reinterpretation of the remixers, and sometimes the results are incredibly different from the original. If you don't like a person's interpretation of a song, you are perfectly capable of not listening to it.
If you're expecting the remixers to basically follow the songs 100% faithfully, with only the instrument samples updated, this is the wrong site to visit. It's all about the remixes and creative reinterpretation. Over the 8 or 9 years I've been visiting OCremix (I can't believe it's been that long!), it's always been like that.

Of course, there are times when a certain remix just doesn't work for me, but I just go on with my life and delete the file. It's not a big deal.

[Wander]

I'm a bit amused by some of the people who aren't so interested in remixed versions of VG music, yet they decided to download the album, and even bothered to register to post in the forum. It's really simple: If you don't like remixes, don't even bother coming to this site. You can listen to the original tracks if that's what you really prefer. The remixes on this site are the reinterpretation of the remixers, and sometimes the results are incredibly different from the original. If you don't like a person's interpretation of a song, you are perfectly capable of not listening to it.
If you're expecting the remixers to basically follow the songs 100% faithfully, with only the instrument samples updated, this is the wrong site to visit. It's all about the remixes and creative reinterpretation. Over the 8 or 9 years I've been visiting OCremix (I can't believe it's been that long!), it's always been like that.

Of course, there are times when a certain remix just doesn't work for me, but I just go on with my life and delete the file. It's not a big deal.
I've been here in the past as a guest and I've found some pretty cool remixes of the songs that I liked, though some of them would be better named "arrangements" than remixes. While I did say I generally disliked remixes, FFIV's soundtrack is one of my favourites and I saw an ad posted on Kotaku for it and felt obligated to take a listen.

Also, people who say "THEN DON'T LISTEN TO IT" really piss me off. It's like when I try to review someone's bad fanfic and someone tells me "WELL IF U HAET IT SO MUHC THEN DUN REED IT". I'm entitled to listen to songs that I don't like, even if it is solely for the sake of reviewing.

[Nekofrog]

There's nothing wrong with stating that you were disappointed with the album, or even that you don't like it.

But it's absolutely retarded to download a REMIX album, put out by overclocked REMIXERS, and then complain that you don't like REMIXES and just want straight covers (as someone else has done here).

That's where I find this whole thing to be pretty dumb. If you don't like remixes in the first place, what are you doing downloading a remix project?

[Executives]

There are several examples on this site of great remixes by many artists. I was disappointed in hearing how some of the remixes from this album seemed to deviate so much from the source material, that the recognizable melodies become lost in the remixer's interpretation.

I suppose it becomes difficult to decide whether you're enhancing an original piece or polluting it.

I'm a bit amused by some of the people who aren't so interested in remixed versions of VG music, yet they decided to download the album, and even bothered to register to post in the forum.I thought it was important to post my opinion in the place where the artists would see it. Some obscure board in Internetland has very little chance of being seen by the remixer, no? :-o

[DragonAvenger]

I've been here in the past as a guest and I've found some pretty cool remixes of the songs that I liked, though some of them would be better named "arrangements" than remixes. While I did say I generally disliked remixes, FFIV's soundtrack is one of my favourites and I saw an ad posted on Kotaku for it and felt obligated to take a listen.

Taken directly from the site's FAQ

OverClocked ReMix is a not-for-profit site that accepts high-quality submissions of arranged or "ReMixed" video game music from talented ReMixers the world over. These arrangements are more than just updated versions of the original tracks, but are reinterpretations, often in an entirely different musical genre than the source material. What sets OverClocked ReMix apart from other video game music sites is the breadth of its content. We offer music from almost any style imaginable. Hillbilly, techno, rap, orchestral—you name it—we accept ReMixes from virtually any console or computer game soundtrack. Anything from Shinobi to Portal is fair game.

In reality, OCReMix is an arrangement community. The term "ReMix" has been coined by the site.

Also, the full name for the album is Final Fantasy IV Arrange: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption. It is stated that it was an arrangement album from the beginning.

[prophetik]

durr the only good musics are the 8-bit ones everything isn't chip enough

[<Eclipse>]

I don't think most people have a problem with people reviewing the album and giving criticism, even if some of it is negative, but it shouldn't be a generalized statement of how much you don't like the album. I think people would prefer to have constructive criticism backed up by examples of the problems you had with certain songs. "Executives" at least made an attempt to do that, and that allowed people to see what his/her problem was with some of the songs.

You can try to talk about differences between the terms "remix" and "arrangement" all you want in order to sidestep the issue, but the truth is that if you've visited this site before, you should have an idea of what to expect, no matter the term used to describe the music on this site.

Of course, everyone is entitled to like what they like and hate what they hate. I'm not saying it's absolutely wrong to dislike this album. After all, preferences are preferences. However, if you really don't like anything about it, you really don't have to listen to it. Is it really so wrong to say that?
I mean, I personally don't think mayonnaise is fit for human consumption, but I don't try to push people to stop eating it. I just don't eat it myself, even if I'm the one who made it.

If you want to do a review for something you don't like, then, at the least, do it properly. In all honesty though, it seems a little ridiculous to try to do a review when one wanted the original source material, rather than the remixed/arranged versions that OCremix is known for.

[K.B.]

durr the only good musics are the country ones everything isn't bluegrassy enough
Yeah, this whole album sucks ass. Fixed for no particular reason.


Question time! Can someone (AeroZ?) please provide a breakdown of sources used in Tellah's Prophecy? I've heard five for certain (listed below in secret writing!!!), but I know I've missed some and I absolutely, positively, need to know what other source tunes were used. I know OA is sick of my fanboyish enthusiasm by now, so can someone else help me here?
holy crap he wasn't lying: main theme, fight 1, within the giant, cry in sorrow, long way to go
Also, can I draw out others' ARness in determining what other sources were used in various tracks? Here's what I've found unlisted thus far:
102: The Prelude
105: ......
106: Into The Dark
302: The Prelude
If no one else cares then ok, fine, I'll stfu. But I really enjoy placing every source tune used, so if you're like me in that regard then... let's do this! [If this really pisses people off we can do this in another forum]

Finally, track-by-track love is forthcoming. I should have each one sufficiently adored in two week's time (job interference next week, sorry).

[audio fidelity]

david - i'll ask sebastian personally to come on and break it down :)

[OA]

fabul is in there for sure.

[KyleJCrb]

The Prelude and Main Theme of FF4 were in every song.

[Nec5]

Regardless, the vast majority have found that they like at least ONE song, and honestly, for that, the project should be considered a success. I liked and kept five songs. Thanks for sharing them.

[Tmansdc]

Whew I just finally got down downloading the FLAC versions!


Yeah, started tuesday, got halfway done, didn't get on a computer yesterday, got back on today and FINALLY!


Can't wait to put it on my sansa fuze and listen to it!

[prophetik]

The Prelude and Main Theme of FF4 were in every song.

both are actually in mine, if you can hear it.

[Abadoss]

The Prelude and Main Theme of FF4 were in every song.

They weren't in my two...

[Emunator]

I'm in the process of doing a track-by-track checklist-style review, for those of you that can appreciate the feedback of someone who knows next-to-nothing about music :P Here's my two cents on the first disc.



1-01: Nutritious – Full of Courage

+ Typical Nutritious-quality samples and arrangement
+ Flute at 2:16 was exquisite
+ Appropriate song to start off the album
- Doesn’t take many stylistic risks –very solid song but doesn’t particularly stand out compared to other orchestral arrangements by Nutritious (if you can really count this as a negative. I suppose this just comes with the genre, I'm not sure what else could have been embellished or added without possibly ruining what you've already got here.)

1-02: audio fidelity – The Might of Baron

+ Drums, marching sounds, and rhythm guitar create excellent mood during intro
+ All samples are extremely well used
+ Keyboard (?) at :53 onward adds a nice touch
+ Orchestral and rock sounds have rarely, if ever sounded so good together!
+ Great flow throughout the song - Interlude at 2:40 fits nicely in context, then transitions perfectly back into the rock verse without a hitch.
+ One of the best songs on the album!

1-03: AeroZ – Overture ~ Tellah’s Prophecy

+ Cello at 1:53 was very enjoyable, reminded me of something from Bond.
+ Outro was well done, this is where the cello playing seemed the best to me.
- Took a long time for the song to really click with me. Didn’t have me fully convinced that the song was going anywhere until 1:53, and then it kind of meandered back into questionable territory a few times after that
- Not as solid as AeroZ’s other contributions to the project, in my opinion

1-04: avaris – Journey to Solace

+ Loved the evolution of the percussion throughout the song
+ Transition at 1:02 felt perfectly natural and took the song in a wonderful direction
+ 3:04 piano was a nice instrument choice, and also sounded nice for the outro. Good piano sounds for both sections.
- Parts of the song felt a bit lacking melody-wise (though this might be a result of the source.)

1-05: AnotherSounscape – Ana(pro)logue

+ Somehow even happier and bubblier than Anso’s usual work.
+ Source tune works PERFECTLY for this style of music
+ Great use of different synth sounds, each one seems suited for the notes that it is attached to
+ Hilarious cameos!
- Lolwut @ the robotic “1-2-1-2-3” voice
- Fadeout?

1-06: John Revoredo – The Flying Machine

+ At just over 2 minutes, it came, did its thing, and didn’t overstay its welcome. One of those times where shorter is better
+ Beautiful samples and mixing, song sounds wonderful
- Arrangement felt a bit repetitive even for such a short song

1-07: Mazedude – Read the Sine

+ Typical Mazedude quality work – song is completely out of left field and is structurally weird, but it totally feels cohesive and almost beautiful.
+ 1:43 was unexpected but a completely awesome transition
- I keep getting this god-awful buzzing noise on the low frequencies regardless of where I listen to this. I can’t determine if it’s something in the song that’s off, or if I’ve just got cheap speakers/headphones :P

1-08: Cyril the Wolf – Emerald Beauty

+ One of the most beautiful arrangements on the album – establishes a mood early on and sticks with it, but switches things up often enough to stay fresh throughout the whole song
+ All of the live instruments sound wonderful, especially the sax
+ Good bass writing
- The fake violin brings down the mood of the whole song, unfortunately. Everything around it sounds so natural and organic, so this one element does put a damper on an otherwise-amazing song. I’d kill to hear a version of this song with a live violin by nonsensicalexis or someone else willing to offer their talent.

1-09: Children of the Monkey Machine & audio fidelity – RDX Necklace

+ The Bomb Ring “explosion” in the beginning was pretty awesome, established a great mood
+ CotMM does what he does very, very well.
+ The guitar adds a nice industrial sound to the song
? I’m no expert in the genre so it’s hard to objectively review something where I don’t truly understand the intricacies of the music being created. Therefore, I’ll refrain from offering criticism here.

1-10: Tweek – Of Fiend and Man

+ Nice drumming after 1:47
+ The outro at 1:15 was awesome.
- The outro sounded like it was leading into something completely awesome and the song was finally about to take the song to the next level, but instead, it just… ended.
- Lead guitar sounds too drowned out, though I can see how that might have been intentional
- Honestly, this song didn’t sit well with me. It seemed to hover in the same mood/range and never really progressed anywhere except for a few spots. It never really captured my attention.

1-11: DragonAvenger – Interlude ~ Yay!

+ Um… yay?
- I think this would have sounded better after Audix’s track, personally

1-12: Level 99 & audio fidelity – The Skies Hold No Angels for Us

+ The subtle vocal samples in the intro were cool
+ Great guitar tones, playing all across the board
+ 2:03-3:17 was absolutely awesome, the dueling guitars sounded beautiful together!
+ The piano came in at just the right time, and the children samples in the back reminded me of Skrypnyk’s “A Moment of Tolerance”
+ One of the best songs on the album, hands down! Bravo to both of you!
- The lead guitar at :50 felt like it came in just a bit too abruptly (this is the only negative I can find for this track. I had to really be picky about things here :) )

1-13: Abadoss & James George Edward’s Dream Quartet

+ The mixture between live and synthesized instruments was completely seamless, I couldn’t tell the difference!
+ Page flipping effects between segments was a nice touch that only adds to the realism created by the wonderful samples
+ Good job expanding the mood of the song as it progressed. It had a nice balance between ‘sticking close to the source’ and ‘going off on tangents so the song doesn’t become boring’
+ Plucked strings were definitely a good choice for the 4th section of the song, nice job mixing things up a bit!
- It’s too long for casual listening, so this probably won’t be going on my playlist. However, I can still appreciate what the two artists brought to the table here, it’s clear that a lot of talent went into this one!

1-14: Golbez ‘N Goblins

+ The drum buildup at :13-:14 (that appears numerous times later in the song, too) always struck me as plain awesome!
+ Nothing less than I’ve come to expect from bLiNd in terms of production and arrangement
- My least favorite bLiNd track from the album (which isn’t really so much of a shot at this song as it is a compliment to his other two contributions!)
- I’m not a fan of the short vocal clips used

1-15: OA, Nutritious & The Fabul Men’s Choir

+ Completely unique, original effort that was epic in scope and didn’t even seem doable to me, but it panned out in almost every way imaginable!
+ While the choir is the most amazing part of this song solely for the amount of effort that went into planning it, the rest of the instrumentation is flawless and should definitely be acknowledged too!
+ OA’s synth/guitar work is as stellar as ever!
+ It’s nice to see Nutritious put his talents into different styles of music, he’s just as good with this as he is with traditional orchestral arrangements!
+ !!!!

[Tostilism]

Why is it that if someone comes on here and leaves a comment that isn't 100% positive about the compilation, they're attacked from all angles? It's garbage. Those of us that didn't particularly care for it as a whole are just as entitled to our opinions as the rest of you are. Nobody attacked any of the composers that I saw, yet we get accused of not being able to appreciate art and are basically told to leave the site. I think both strong opinions against the album (Wander and myself) were posted in a very diplomatic way. If you don't like something, you don't like something, end of story, and according to the homepage, this is the place to post about it.

And by the way, to the ass that joined up just to comment on my post, this is for you: Have you ever bought something or been given something that you were looking forward to and after you got it, it didn't quite meet your expectations? That's what happened here with myself and at least one other, so don't you dare insult our taste or our opinions. We're capable of appreciating art and creativity as much as you are, we just didn't like this work as a whole. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

[audio fidelity]

hey tostilism - just stick around and enjoy the music - your more than welcome - there's lots on here you will find you'll like

i know i have

[Ronyn]

I did not care for this album.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Gilmore Girls marathon to get back to.

[Rozovian]

Why is it that if someone comes on here and leaves a comment that isn't 100% positive about the compilation, they're attacked from all angles? It's garbage. Those of us that didn't particularly care for it as a whole are just as entitled to our opinions as the rest of you are. Nobody attacked any of the composers that I saw, yet we get accused of not being able to appreciate art and are basically told to leave the site. I think both strong opinions against the album (Wander and myself) were posted in a very diplomatic way. If you don't like something, you don't like something, end of story, and according to the homepage, this is the place to post about it.

And by the way, to the ass that joined up just to comment on my post, this is for you: Have you ever bought something or been given something that you were looking forward to and after you got it, it didn't quite meet your expectations? That's what happened here with myself and at least one other, so don't you dare insult our taste or our opinions. We're capable of appreciating art and creativity as much as you are, we just didn't like this work as a whole. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

You're entitled to your opinion, expectations, but it's one thing to say it didn't meet your expectations, another to say talent was misused. Kind'a like saying I recognize that you're thinking but then say you're wasting brain power having thoughts. Not respectful, so don't be surprised or take it personally when some of the responses you get are just as disrespectful.

Especially when, if you're the least bit familiar with ocremix, you should know what we do.

[Wander]

Are you all retarded, or did you just not read my post properly?

I did not say that I came here expecting rehashed songs. I merely stated that remixes did not sit well with me. I never once stated that I wasn't going to give it a try, or expect otherwise.
I don't think most people have a problem with people reviewing the album and giving criticism, even if some of it is negative, but it shouldn't be a generalized statement of how much you don't like the album. I think people would prefer to have constructive criticism backed up by examples of the problems you had with certain songs. "Executives" at least made an attempt to do that, and that allowed people to see what his/her problem was with some of the songs.
I reviewed it as an album. I don't have time to sit around and point out my problem with every single song.
In reality, OCReMix is an arrangement community. The term "ReMix" has been coined by the site.

Also, the full name for the album is Final Fantasy IV Arrange: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption. It is stated that it was an arrangement album from the beginning.
Was this supposed to back me up, argue against me, or was it a a piece of information?

But it's absolutely retarded to download a REMIX album, put out by overclocked REMIXERS, and then complain that you don't like REMIXES and just want straight covers (as someone else has done here).
I've been here in the past as a guest and I've found some pretty cool remixes of the songs that I liked, though some of them would be better named "arrangements" than remixes. While I did say I generally disliked remixes, FFIV's soundtrack is one of my favourites and I saw an ad posted on Kotaku for it and felt obligated to take a listen.
It's usually a good idea to read posts. For the record, the title of the album says "Arrange" in it. For the last time, I did not say I wanted straight covers. Nor did I have much clue what I was in for when I downloaded the album.

Good job on making yourself look like a douchebag by putting words in my mouth.

[Ronyn]

Are you all retarded, or did you just not read my post properly?

Are the two mutually exclusive? I for one, am completely retarded, and I take BUNNYS offense to that.

"Why should you want to know?
Why are you obsessed with fighting
Times and fates you can't defy?
If you knew the path we're riding,
You'd understand it less than I."

Well I know I might take shit for this (I promise I'll act surprised though), but while the words in your review were fairly well arranged, I have to say you're no Tim Rice. You have some gem posts there but I will not mention them for fear of crotch rot. Your posts as a whole though, they just don't match the mood that follows. Great work though I hope you didn't find this inflammatory what-so-ever because it would certainly be an overreaction on your part.

Now who wants to re-enacts Cats?! I get to be Mr. Mistoffelees!

...man I'm sleep deprived...weeee

[DusK]

I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. Great stuff.

[Wander]

Are the two mutually exclusive? I for one, am completely retarded, and I take BUNNYS offense to that.

[Why should you want to know?
Why are you obsessed with fighting
Times and fates you can't defy?
If you knew the path we're riding,
You'd understand it less than I.]

I don't even get that D:

[Ronyn]

I don't even get that D:

It's Jesus @#$!ing H. Supercats! You didn't know? hmm.....mmmmmmMMMMMEEEMMORRIIIEEEESS! *rwar*!

(my wife is forcing me to bed for fear of hurting myself, l8rs!)

[Wander]

It's Jesus @#$!ing H. Supercats! You didn't know? hmm.....mmmmmmMMMMMEEEMMORRIIIEEEESS! *rwar*!

(my wife is forcing me to bed for fear of hurting myself, l8rs!)

I meant I didn't understand the context you used it in. That's Jesus' second verse from "What's the Buzz".

[HoboKa]

Pretty impressive project here guys. Good work :<

[DragonAvenger]

Are you all retarded, or did you just not read my post properly?

I did not say that I came here expecting rehashed songs. I merely stated that remixes did not sit well with me. I never once stated that I wasn't going to give it a try, or expect otherwise.

I guess I misread your post, but you originally stated that you were dissapointed that we as an album added our own interpretation to many of the songs. I took that as you not liking that they were arranged. If you could, could you explain what you were hoping for? Honestly I am confused. You seem to have clarified now that the mixes didn't work for you, and that's fine, but your original statement, to me at least, was misleading.

I reviewed it as an album. I don't have time to sit around and point out my problem with every single song.

You took the time to register for the site and leave a comment, and then say that you don't have time to elaborate. I know I would appreciate in the future if you were to wait until you did have the time to elaborate before making a scathing post. First, it allows you to absorb the album a little more, secondly, if gives you more time to formulate your thoughts and provide the elaborations that we'd like to hear. Saying you don't like the album is fine, but it would be ten times better to backup your reasoning, and it would provide us the opportunity to improve based on yours (and other) opinions.

Was this supposed to back me up, argue against me, or was it a a piece of information?

My quote from the site was to explain to you why it(OCReMix) was called as it was. You ask if it's an argument or a piece of information: It's both. Thing is, if you'd done your research before posting, you would have figured out that the site is an arrangement site, not a 'remix' site as you originally were thinking. Check out the 'About' or even listen to some of the posted songs (not part of the project). It wouldn't take you long to have gathered that it wasn't just a cover site. As for the information part, you said something along the lines of "Why is it called a remix?", so I showed you.

It's usually a good idea to read posts. For the record, the title of the album says "Arrange" in it. For the last time, I did not say I wanted straight covers. Nor did I have much clue what I was in for when I downloaded the album.

Kinda stated this as before, but I honestly thought that's what you were hoping for.

However, there is a point to be made that many people who have downloaded this album might not know a lick about "OCReMix" and therefore don't understand the community. While this doesn't excuse them from taking the time to figure it out and get informed, I can now see where a lot of these comments are coming from in terms of "It doesn't sound like blah blah blah."

Good job on making yourself look like a douchebag by putting words in my mouth.

This is the sort of "int3rn3t dr4mu" I'm going to avoid, no comment about this one.

[drougnor]

Why is it that if someone comes on here and leaves a comment that isn't 100% positive about the compilation, they're attacked from all angles? It's garbage. Those of us that didn't particularly care for it as a whole are just as entitled to our opinions as the rest of you are. Nobody attacked any of the composers that I saw, yet we get accused of not being able to appreciate art and are basically told to leave the site. I think both strong opinions against the album (Wander and myself) were posted in a very diplomatic way. If you don't like something, you don't like something, end of story, and according to the homepage, this is the place to post about it.

And by the way, to the ass that joined up just to comment on my post, this is for you: Have you ever bought something or been given something that you were looking forward to and after you got it, it didn't quite meet your expectations? That's what happened here with myself and at least one other, so don't you dare insult our taste or our opinions. We're capable of appreciating art and creativity as much as you are, we just didn't like this work as a whole. Now go stick your head back in the sand.

Tostilism, In response to your disappointment, sure, that's fine. Happens all the time. Hell, that's part of life. The difference here between you and me? You got disappointed and told someone that they interpreted a piece of music and created art based on that interpretation incorrectly because it didn't please YOU. You have NO idea how much that pisses me off as someone who has performed music in the past. The key word is 'interpreted', as in 'filtered through your personal experiences'.

By saying, and I quote directly "*The Chocobo rap song...wow. You're doing it wrong. I couldn't even make it through that disrespectful piece.", you are not only ignoring that someone not only has personal experience different from your own, but are implying that they are not allowed to use that experience as their own filter in a project that you had no creative control over.

Really, think about that for a bit. I hope you come to realize exactly how insulting that can be to an artist.

You stated later that you have a dislike of rap music, which is also OK, but please try to see the difference between stating a dislike of something and laying out that kind of insult.

d

And as a post script - Why you two were come down so hard upon wasn't that you stated you disliked something . . . but it WAS the manner in which it was stated.

Last edit - I do apologize if I came on like I was trying to attack . . . That wasn't my intent. I admit I got a bit pissed, and I have explained why above. So, if I was in the wrong, mea culpa.

[Level 99]

Hey, look everyone! I made COOKIES! Mmm, chocolate chip, peanut butter, snickerdoodles, and oatmeal raisin. Why don't we all just take a step back and enjoy some with a glass of milk, hmm? 8-)

Oh, and the FF4 main theme and prelude were not in either song I worked on either, I believe.

[KyleJCrb]

Don't lie, I'm sure at least one note was the same as a note in both of those sources!

[Nutritious]

Don't lie, I'm sure at least one note was the same as a note in both of those sources!

To Kyle's credit, Main Theme and (to a lesser extent) Prelude were used in a lot of tracks in the album. Just an oversight on our part, I think.

[Rozovian]

To Kyle's credit, Main Theme and (to a lesser extent) Prelude were used in a lot of tracks in the album. Just an oversight on our part, I think.

It's a theme, not an oversight. :D

[KyleJCrb]

I understand why it's used, I just have to keep giving you guys shit about it.

[avaris]

Well many of the tracks have similar motifs throughout, so when we as arrangers sculpt and define a new arrangement we are sure to make some tracks sound like others. It's really the OST itself that's very similar. Read somewhere this was Nobou's intention.

For example bunch of people picked out a Red Wings reference in my track; but it was actually just my rearrangement of the "Cecil Becomes a Paladin" source; or better known as the beginning of the Cry in Sorrow source tune.

Tis all good; at the least the main motif in the OST is fuckin AWESOME! :)

To Kyle's credit, Main Theme and (to a lesser extent) Prelude were used in a lot of tracks in the album. Just an oversight on our part, I think.

[Monobrow]

Are you all retarded, or did you just not read my post properly?

I personally think we are all very very very very heavily retarded and are all typing to you on the weaver bus! :-D

Hey did you like my song, I just wanna know, what did you think about it.

To me it has the source all over it but some people say it is too liberal for them. So what do you think, hello....hello

[Wander]

This is the sort of "int3rn3t dr4mu" I'm going to avoid, no comment about this one.

I have failed in my quest.

[K.B.]

For example bunch of people picked out a Red Wings reference in my track; but it was actually just my rearrangement of the "Cecil Becomes a Paladin" source; or better known as the beginning of the Cry in Sorrow source tune.
Bunch of people is stupid, that's why. And - though I should quit doing this and just start work on a track-by-track - using that six-second source intro to start breakdowns highlighted it, added a fitting mournful touch, and made for great transitions. Those two references made the song for me.

Wait... no, they're right. The Red Wings are emo? I didn't want to make that connection!

fabul is in there for sure.
Bunch of K.B. is stupid. How did I not hear that before?!? Ugh, shame.

Hey did you like my song, I just wanna know, what did you think about it.

To me it has the source all over it but some people say it is too liberal for them. So what do you think, hello....hello
Hi! Hi! (this works in Nipponese too)

Too liberal? That's either completely subjective or, for submission standards, a matter for the almighty LT to decree. I heard the source (and the prelude, duh), and I think you covered it completely and kept on it (or them) for most of the song. Your interpretation was additive, not selective of or divergent from the source. So no, in no way do I think this was too liberal. It was also pretty darned cool.

[Aninymouse]

I AM ONLY GOING TO ASK ONCE

Please stop tagging album tracks with crap like "Act 1:3", etc. It's very time-consuming to go through and retag all these tracks. This is what we have track numbers for :]

THAT IS ALL, CARRY ON

[SoulinEther]

lol. some of the negative reviews are odd. and i think they've already been addressed MOVING ON

k. so ... i've been playing ffiv again right? And that one sorrow song brought tears to my eyes a few times. Whenever something depressing happens in the story. piano. arpeggios going on. it's like the main theme all down-tempo and stuff. yeah.

So rozovian makes a remix of it right? yeah. it's pretty enthralling stuff. you'd think that repeating arpeggio thing would get annoying considering how slow the rest of the work is, especially in the beginning, but it doesn't. it slaps you into a vibe. a vibe I like. And i'm going to capitalize this review a little ofF. Very nice stuff from rozo. What does lacrima mine? it means tear in latin. i looked it up. i think its a fitting title.

oh yeah. and that one guy. Audix. I would play your battle theme during the real battles in game... because it's just that awesome. i've heard talk of it sticking to structures. but the only thing it's sticking to is my mind. and maybe my ear(s). it's possible my earwax is playing it. and i might not be the only one suffering a case of your-song-being-stuck-in-my-head-and-or-ears syndrome. Survival Instinct is sexy. especially that transition into battle 2. s-e-x-y.

cyril. man. thank you. metal mage was trippy and fun, and rydia's theme was emotive. the words aren't coming, so trust that i am doing some sort of interpretive dance right now in front of my webcam-less computer to explain how i feel about these pieces of art. they're not leaving the party in my mind. or my phone.

if only mysidia were present. that was one hell of a strange place. hopefully i'll provide more non-drunk semi-drunk criticisms in the near future. this has been fun to write. and this album has been fun to listen to.

thanks. to everyone involved.

[Aninymouse]

Tracks I enjoyed the most, in no particular order!

Survival Instinct
Smooth Sun of Magma
Long Time Gone
Goodbye Cid...
Fallen Dragoon
Kinda Green
Read the Sine
Mystic Variations
Path of Deception

I'll be listening to these! Congrats on the album release and all the hard work, guys.

Also, I had a good laugh at Rhymes With Elixer. All in good fun.

Hey did you like my song, I just wanna know, what did you think about it.

http://remod.cakearmy.org/images/smilies/icon_eyyy.gif

[Rozovian]

k. so ... i've been playing ffiv again right? And that one sorrow song brought tears to my eyes a few times. Whenever something depressing happens in the story. piano. arpeggios going on. it's like the main theme all down-tempo and stuff. yeah.

So rozovian makes a remix of it right? yeah. it's pretty enthralling stuff. you'd think that repeating arpeggio thing would get annoying considering how slow the rest of the work is, especially in the beginning, but it doesn't. it slaps you into a vibe. a vibe I like. And i'm going to capitalize this review a little ofF. Very nice stuff from rozo. What does lacrima mine? it means tear in latin. i looked it up. i think its a fitting title.

Glad you liked it. I was almost shocked when I saw I had extended a short and repetitive source to 5 minutes, yet people like it. btw, I was also considering naming the track 'tear' in Finnish, OA felt Latin would fit the project better. Just as well, as it fits the project, and not many would correctly guess how to pronounce "kyynel". :D

For anyone interested, I've spent a few bored moments writing some quick thoughts about the tracks (http://rozovian.wordpress.com/), two discs done so far, probably gonna do the third later today.

[Cyril the Wolf]

SoulinEther: THANKS! I'm glad you liked those two tracks. :D

Roz: Haha, you hit OMFG! Get out of there! Right on the head, I did reference the space pirate music, because of the frantic nature of the theme and becuase... I wanted to extend it. I mean c'mon I had like 11 seconds of source to work with. Not a bad "Run" I'd say. ;-)

[K.B.]

Ugh, this track-by-track review business is tough to do right. I have disk one finished (oh... yay... another disk one review...), and I was all set to post it. Then I realized how massive my post would have been, so I signed up at wordpress (that's right, I got a blog just so I could review this album), and dumped it on their truck.

I don't know theory and I don't know remixing, but I have nice things to say! If you care to read, visit http://kbocr.wordpress.com/

[tweek]

I’m not feeling the gravity of the thing. I mean, they were just imps. Really now.

So I know, what the hell is an Imp??

[Dj Mokram]

So I know, what the hell is an Imp??
Something like that:
http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/vs/enemy/imp.gif
Perhaps....:mrgreen:

[DragonAvenger]

So I know, what the hell is an Imp??


He's probably actually talking about goblins; they're the weakest monsters in the game.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/5/58/Goblin-ffiv-gba.png

EDIT: Crap, was I beaten out?

[tweek]

Ah, now I understand the critique. I thought an "Imp" was some vague musical term that I hadn't heard of.

[StandingInMotion]

This may not be the place for this, but this is driving me crazy...

So, I downloaded the new album released here: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption, and there's a piece that's bugging me.

Spiraling Decay, by Children of the Monkey Machine... pretty much an hour of whispers, crackles, feedback... just sound. Since I'm at work, I figured I would try to listen to the whole thing as just background sound, but... during random intervals, it will fade out and go totally silent. I will take note of the time it started fading out, jump ahead a few minutes to hear everything's back up, then go a few seconds before the time it dropped out (following?) to hear no fadeout, and the piece continues to play normally. This happens countless times during the piece.

I've not tried it through other media players yet, but I don't see why that would matter... unless windows media player gets tired of playing the same file for upwards of ten minutes...

I bet my computer's possessed or something. Ho noes!

[Hy Bound]

Sound drops tend to be used on demos of audio products. Theres a good chance that whatever audio program you're using to listen to the track hasn't been activated or is a demo.

[StandingInMotion]

Sound drops tend to be used on demos of audio products. Theres a good chance that whatever audio program you're using to listen to the track hasn't been activated or is a demo.

Naw... this is Windows Media Player... I've had it on my computer for well over a year now, and it plays every other song just fine (even ones ranging into 20-minute length).

EDIT: And it's on a legit copy of Windows, and the player itself was downloaded through Microsoft's website, and validated using their validation software.

[Schwaltzvald]

It could be just the sound file itself have the artifacts and just needs some clean up...

Unless it was done for the artistic value...

I haven't listened to the album just yet, gonna soon this week though.

[Ravenos]

Afternoon all.
I've finally got online to get the latest Project down and am working my way through it.
Seems to have some very nice stuff, tho, I've not got the time nor the patience to actually review it track by track right now as I gear up for another day of... job searching and playing Disgaea on PSP or Disgaea 3 and Wipeout HD Fury on PS3.
But still, great stuff to go on so far,
Particularly AeroZ and AnotherSoundscape. :)

[suzumebachi]

This may not be the place for this, but this is driving me crazy...

So, I downloaded the new album released here: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption, and there's a piece that's bugging me.

Spiraling Decay, by Children of the Monkey Machine... pretty much an hour of whispers, crackles, feedback... just sound. Since I'm at work, I figured I would try to listen to the whole thing as just background sound, but... during random intervals, it will fade out and go totally silent. I will take note of the time it started fading out, jump ahead a few minutes to hear everything's back up, then go a few seconds before the time it dropped out (following?) to hear no fadeout, and the piece continues to play normally. This happens countless times during the piece.

I've not tried it through other media players yet, but I don't see why that would matter... unless windows media player gets tired of playing the same file for upwards of ten minutes...

I bet my computer's possessed or something. Ho noes!

Is it really an hour long? It could be that your screen saver is coming on or your computer is trying to go to sleep.

[StandingInMotion]

Is it really an hour long? It could be that your screen saver is coming on or your computer is trying to go to sleep.

The piece is 56:33... also, I'm using my computer at work, so I know it's not trying to sleep.

Oddly enough, I tried to open it in Adobe Audition, and it simply interpreted the file as pure static. I opened it in Audacity, and it only showed 35 minutes of the piece...

[audio fidelity]

the track should be about 30 mins and the only real silence comes in about the end

all the sounds used come from the original sounds in the song

[StandingInMotion]

the track should be about 30 mins and the only real silence comes in about the end

all the sounds used come from the original sounds in the song

Hmm... that's interesting...

This isn't the first file that's ever had an incorrect time length displayed in windows media player for me. There have been several others, although, they just end "early" instead of dropping out. I wonder what causes this...

[audio fidelity]

if your on a pc - just use winamp or itunes - you shouldn't be having a problem like that - i make no comment on products made by microsoft tho :P

[Level 99]

if your on a pc - just use winamp or itunes - you shouldn't be having a problem like that - i make no comment on products made by microsoft tho :P

Quiet, Mac-ie! :tomatoface:

I honestly would try redownloading the song again and trying that. If it's still acting all exorcist-y, winamp and foobar are great for windows, itunes for mac, and mplayer, banshee, or rhythm box (I know you're using windows, but this is the covering-all-bases thing).

Good luck, it's a great track to lose yourself in. I fell asleep to it one night and it gave me some really messed up dreams.

[audio fidelity]

brian - his comments about the imp is referring to where we put your track - in that it's intense and we say that in the game they have to go out and battle harsh foes at that moment - who just so happen to be imps :P heh

your track has def grown on me - and i think it will for others too - you keep a nice pacing - and what you did with the guitars :) came out pretty awesome

thanks for the read david - you have a good ear and picked up on so many things - very cool

[eternal Zero]

So I have listened to this in its entirety. And while part of me wants to just say, "Oh hey, it's OCR, it's mad good!" I really cannot. In my opinion this is decent at best. I have to agree with the review that OCR albums have been on the decline as it's really hard to stand up to projects like Kong in Concert or Relics of the Chozo.

It's not that the individual work put in is by any means bad though I will say there are some definite weak tracks that should not have been included. I will not mention names as mudslinging is next to pointless. Overall I did not find the tracklist as a whole very riveting nor did it quite keep my full attention the entire way through. There were some tracks that I did pull out specifically to keep in my regular playlists. If you ask me, what the upcoming albums need are more consolidated track lists that truly represent the best of OCR instead of having it feel overbearing, cluttered, and on the whole that much weaker. The recent Tales album also suffered from this.

We need another album of just the elite doing what they do best and really demonstrating to the world what quality comes from OCR. I don't see why tracks that normally would not make it past the judge's panel would be included on an album that is representing this very community. Now if what I said about not all of these tracks being OCR worthy please tell me otherwise or put them onto the site where they would belong.

[StandingInMotion]

Well, I got Winamp (WHY HAVEN'T I BEEN USING THIS BEFORE??!?!) and the piece plays just fine through that. Windows must interpret something incorrectly from the file or something... eh, whatever. Thanks for your all's help (I'd still like to know why this is, so if anyone has any thoughts that would be great)

[friendlyHunter]

Well, I got Winamp (WHY HAVEN'T I BEEN USING THIS BEFORE??!?!) and the piece plays just fine through that. Windows must interpret something incorrectly from the file or something... eh, whatever. Thanks for your all's help (I'd still like to know why this is, so if anyone has any thoughts that would be great)
LOL, a 2-page Windows Media Player help thread merged into an "album comments/reviews" thread? Ok. Good thing the problem is finally resolved, this isn't exactly the thread I would ask for help in ^_^ And yes, Winamp is great =D

I'll have to check out this album too... man, so many albums I've been meaning to listen to...

[Ravenos]

So I have listened to this in its entirety. And while part of me wants to just say, "Oh hey, it's OCR, it's mad good!" I really cannot. In my opinion this is decent at best. I have to agree with the review that OCR albums have been on the decline as it's really hard to stand up to projects like Kong in Concert or Relics of the Chozo.

It's not that the individual work put in is by any means bad though I will say there are some definite weak tracks that should not have been included. I will not mention names as mudslinging is next to pointless. Overall I did not find the tracklist as a whole very riveting nor did it quite keep my full attention the entire way through. There were some tracks that I did pull out specifically to keep in my regular playlists. If you ask me, what the upcoming albums need are more consolidated track lists that truly represent the best of OCR instead of having it feel overbearing, cluttered, and on the whole that much weaker. The recent Tales album also suffered from this.

We need another album of just the elite doing what they do best and really demonstrating to the world what quality comes from OCR. I don't see why tracks that normally would not make it past the judge's panel would be included on an album that is representing this very community. Now if what I said about not all of these tracks being OCR worthy please tell me otherwise or put them onto the site where they would belong.

Oh? I think that because of the sheer out of people turning up wanted to do remixes for OCR now, it's added diversity, which the albums benefit from. Yes, there was it before, but if you look at previous albums, they all seemed to be linear, maybe that was because the Project undertaken was linear, or because the ideas wasn't too great either.

Agreed, the Tales of and from what I've listened through of the FFIV project have not been as good as older projects so far, like my favorite two VotL, or Project Chaos, but, I think that it's somewhat a step in the right direction.

[eternal Zero]

So then album projects are the easy man's way to get his name into OCR? That sounds weak and a little underhanded to me. The first albums I was exposed to here at my stay at OCR were Kong, Relics, and Chaos. These were all phenomenal and I remember the first album I really felt disappointed with was the other Sonic one. Quality control is a necessary evil if you are going to spread these albums as ways to gather attention if you ask me. But I'm just voicing an opinion. The guys running the show should know what they're doing by now.

I'm being cynical and pessimistic about this on purpose just to put things in perspective from the gratuitous amounts of praise. Yes, it's warranted, but let's keep it real. ^ 3^

[prophetik]

projects aren't an "easy man's way" of getting your name out here. they're just the largest opportunity. take an album of fifty songs. there's usually eight or ten people that are contributing their first mix to the community. since project forums often are places where a lot of feedback is given - more than in WIP, at least - it's easy for a newcomer to improve their craft and their track, as opposed to the WIP forum where there's only three or four regular contributers.

[Rozovian]

True that, prophet.

Besides, with a project you kind'a know when your music will be out. With OCR you sub, wait, and then you hear if you have to wait for your remix to be posted or if you have to resub and wait all over again. Projects are more appealing in that way, especially to newcomers.

You're looking at it from an outside POV. Nothing wrong with that, but it's only a part of what they are. The projects are a community thing, they just happen to be released to the public and made a big deal of because they're an easy way for people to sample what ocr is about. To many of us, it's a way to share our music with each other and to contribute to the community.

Not cohesive enough? They've never really been. Not enough quality control? You're welcome to try out for any of the projects we've got running, see how it looks like from the inside.

Dare I suggest a rose-tinted rear-view mirror doesn't give you an accurate comparison between then and now?

[eternal Zero]

Dare I suggest a rose-tinted rear-view mirror doesn't give you an accurate comparison between then and now?

Oh you most certainly dare. The only response I have to this is that even if I have a rose-tinted rear-view mirror I can still listen to the albums I mentioned side by side today and come to the same conclusions. But let's leave that topic, it's a waste of time and in the end we're all going to say at the very least that the albums are all more than just okay because OCR even when not subject to the panel has some pretty high standards.

I understand I am strictly an outsider when it comes to such affairs. I have been around OCR a while mostly lurking and such and I personally have a hefty amount of musical skill, but I'm a performer not a composer/arranger. Touring Europe with an orchestra? That I can do. That I've done. Write a song/remix? Can't do it for the life of me. I'm really glad I pressed this point now because I didn't have that idea of what an album was for the actual remixers and those trying to get their names out there. Pretty cool, actually.

Though I wouldn't mind some more super quality albums anyway.:nicework:

[K.B.]

So I know, what the hell is an Imp??
He's probably actually talking about goblins; they're the weakest monsters in the game.
"And then I dealt the imp a mighty blow!"
Dating myself with the original FFII US translation, I suppose.

Also, I was being tongue-in-cheek with that bit, not seriously critiquing (in case that was lost).

[Wiesty]

So I have listened to this in its entirety. And while part of me wants to just say, "Oh hey, it's OCR, it's mad good!" I really cannot. In my opinion this is decent at best. I have to agree with the review that OCR albums have been on the decline as it's really hard to stand up to projects like Kong in Concert or Relics of the Chozo.

It's not that the individual work put in is by any means bad though I will say there are some definite weak tracks that should not have been included. I will not mention names as mudslinging is next to pointless. Overall I did not find the tracklist as a whole very riveting nor did it quite keep my full attention the entire way through. There were some tracks that I did pull out specifically to keep in my regular playlists. If you ask me, what the upcoming albums need are more consolidated track lists that truly represent the best of OCR instead of having it feel overbearing, cluttered, and on the whole that much weaker. The recent Tales album also suffered from this.

We need another album of just the elite doing what they do best and really demonstrating to the world what quality comes from OCR. I don't see why tracks that normally would not make it past the judge's panel would be included on an album that is representing this very community. Now if what I said about not all of these tracks being OCR worthy please tell me otherwise or put them onto the site where they would belong.

On the contrary. I would say that some of the latest albums have been the best. Radical Dreamers, Chrono Trigger, FF7 and this one. Not only do they show great musicianship compared to some of the earlier ones, but i think they show alot more diversity in style to. Its hard to sit through an entire album of DnB songs.

[Flexstyle]

I'd agree with several commenters that this album doesn't stack up so well next to some of the previous OCR albums. Production quality (basically what I judge almost any song by--sorry, just a personal thing, I'm a trained mix engineer) is lacking on many (okay, most, in my personal opinion) of the tunes. That said, there are some absolute gems here that make it well worth the download--bLiNd is a genius.

[KyleJCrb]

Final Fantasy remixes are SERIOUS BUSINESS

[tebian]

OverClocked ReMix Releases Free Fan Tribute Album, Final Fantasy IV: Echoes of Betrayal, Light of Redemption


Well I thought I would post this here and hope its ok with you all. I had got the go ahead to play this CD live on our radio from DJPretzel last week (congrates on your wedding). Friday, Aug 1st 8pm Est we will be broadcasting the whole set of music in a "live concert". I thought you all might want to listen in or join the chat at the our TV stream. I hope to have the game up at same time on the video stream and make it a small but fun event to show off this great work. The radio has a few streams including PSP for those who just want to listen.

This is the Event Page for the www.FinalFantasyRadio.com (http://events.finalfantasyradio.com) I have setup and our Facebook fan club plus a few other station fan groups around the world have been notified. Hope this helps to spread the news more about your great music here and the members who make up the OC Remix community. Keep up the great works here and thanks for the music.

[Level 99]

Well I thought I would post this here and hope its ok with you all. I had got the go ahead to play this CD live on our radio from DJPretzel last week (congrates on your wedding). Friday, Aug 1st 8pm Est we will be broadcasting the whole set of music in a "live concert". I thought you all might want to listen in or join the chat at the our TV stream. I hope to have the game up at same time on the video stream and make it a small but fun event to show off this great work. The radio has a few streams including PSP for those who just want to listen.

This is the Event Page for the www.FinalFantasyRadio.com (http://events.finalfantasyradio.com) I have setup and our Facebook fan club plus a few other station fan groups around the world have been notified. Hope this helps to spread the news more about your great music here and the members who make up the OC Remix community. Keep up the great works here and thanks for the music.

*jawdrops* What? Wow. This is almost too awesome for words. I'll be at a bonfire at the time but will bring my laptop to get on the chat and make my friends listen in by force if I have to. Feels like FF4 listening-party-v2. Thanks for the support!

Edit: This Friday is July 31st, and Saturday is August 1st...so, hmmm.

[Wiesty]

Production is important but then again so is the quality of song writing and what not. There comes a point when the quality of mix dosent really matter anymore, and it comes down to how enjoyable is it to listen to. I, and millions of others can listen to old Miles Davis and John coltrane recordings for hours, but none of them are incredible mixes with pristine stereo and eq, etc etc etc. They're just enjoyable, and the virtuosity of the musicians vastly outweighs the importance for a perfect mix.

[Level 99]

Production is important but then again so is the quality of song writing and what not. There comes a point when the quality of mix dosent really matter anymore, and it comes down to how enjoyable is it to listen to. I, and millions of others can listen to old Miles Davis and John coltrane recordings for hours, but none of them are incredible mixes with pristine stereo and eq, etc etc etc. They're just enjoyable, and the virtuosity of the musicians vastly outweighs the importance for a perfect mix.

I would have to say it really is a personal preference here. If what he was looking for is high-quality sound engineering, mixing and mastering, so be it, not all the songs may have been his cup of tea. I'm of your opinion, Wiesty, that production may not end up as the be-all-end-all deciding factor of a good mix, but in many cases, it plays significant part. Coming from a perspective where sound theory and mastering is still pretty new to me, many things I've found to sound good in my own mixes were done by mistake at first. Many of these arguments boil down to the personal opinion of the listener, as music is anything but objective.

And now, I'm giving everyone a big hug.

[tebian]

Friday, Aug 1st 8pm EstOops i was afraid i might have posted that wrong here too. We are doing two shows on Friday "July 31st" and then on Saturday August 1st, this was setup so if you cant do one we would have that 2nd show. Sorry about the mix on the dates.Really hope to see you all come out one of the nights.

I have made a shout out box for all to add there words of wisdom to the http://events.finalfantasyradio.com. Please leave a note to the audience if your part of the project. Anyone else of course who wants to post there is more then welcome to add information or notes or even url's of projects they are doing. I thought it would be another good way for the Final Fantasy community that listen to the station to meet Overclocked Remix.

I am sure our audience tonight would like to hear from the masters of remix.

[SoulinEther]

AeroZ. Did you know your moniker spelled backwards is "ZoreA"? As far as I'm concerned, it could spell "feces." Or "innocent bunnies being slaughtered by greedy farm hands" - it wouldn't change how awesome Fallen Dragoon is or how much your work and talent impress me.

Alright. Fallen Dragoon has its touching parts. That cello pierces my soul. It's so emotional. So is the melody and stuff. After.. 2:43. Everything after that is gold. A gold-tipped arrow that has reached for my heart and is now pushing its way out my eyes. Or a gold piece of jewelry that you look at and enjoy. It just depends. I usually am a fan of chiptunes but sometimes in this piece I just have to wonder if their color fits. Maybe I just wanted.. MOAR CELLO. Because I love cello. It's so emotional.

Anyway, the song in the OST is now engraved in my mind. Possibly forever. Thanks to this song.

(and your Mysidia remix is ... well, you took a really weird song and made it weird in an interesting and different way. I like it.)

[tebian]

Thanks to Limit99, Nitritious and OA for stopping into the concert last night. We had a great time and really appreciated the commentary. Tonight we should have all our FaceBook fan club in there and hope you all well come to enjoy chat at 8pm Eastern.

To the artist of the CD the music was well received by my listeners. We averaged about 80 listeners on the radio streams and 20 people in the TV chat room over the 3 hours. Thank you all again for some great music and I hope I showcase more of you work here on Final Fantasy Radio.

[Flexstyle]

It's true, I tried to make it clear that I was stating my opinion based on my personal preference. I'm less of a musician and more of an engineer; it's just the way I've been trained and have trained myself. After all, I hope to make a living (or at least part of one) out of mixing and mastering songs some day.

That said, I don't want to undermine the hard work that was definitely put into this! Props for getting the project done, to all involved!

[Nokonoko]

As someone for whom the game holds a lot of nostalgia, I may not exactly have fallen in love with every track, but I certainly did appreciate the project as a whole, so I’d like to add my voice to the multitude of other congratulations and thanks. :mrgreen:

In particular, though, I quite liked Smiling Hilltop for Four Hands — it’s such a nice piece — because it’s so rare to find quality piano renditions of the FF tracks outside of the official collections. I was wondering what my chances were of getting my hands on the sheet music … :oops:

[audio fidelity]

i'll ask long for you nokonoko - he probably still has the midi data

[Nokonoko]

Thanks so much! Oh, and just in case anyone isn’t aware of it, there are interviews with the composers here (http://highermusic.wordpress.com/?p=796).

[Joseph Collins]

This is one of those rare OverClocked ReMix albums that actually does the source material nothing less than absolute justice. Not one of the main album songs sucks. Not a one. If you loved the original Final Fantasy IV soundtrack (or any of the remixes), THIS ALBUM IS FOR YOU. This thing has it all! A number of styles, the complete soundtrack lovingly remixed, and even some epic singing on a few songs! Words don't do this thing justice. You just have to EXPERIENCE it for yourself.

Do it. You will not regret it.

[avaris]

This is one of those rare OverClocked ReMix albums that actually does the source material nothing less than absolute justice. Not one of the main album songs sucks. Not a one. If you loved the original Final Fantasy IV soundtrack (or any of the remixes), THIS ALBUM IS FOR YOU. This thing has it all! A number of styles, the complete soundtrack lovingly remixed, and even some epic singing on a few songs! Words don't do this thing justice. You just have to EXPERIENCE it for yourself.

Do it. You will not regret it.

Hey thanks dude! When we originally set out to make this project this was our #1 intention. We wanted to make the album a nostalgia trip for those who really loved FFIV. Thanks for the comment it really means a lot that the album got the nostalgia juices flowing! :)

[Ravenos]

This is one of those rare OverClocked ReMix albums that actually does the source material nothing less than absolute justice. Not one of the main album songs sucks. Not a one. If you loved the original Final Fantasy IV soundtrack (or any of the remixes), THIS ALBUM IS FOR YOU. This thing has it all! A number of styles, the complete soundtrack lovingly remixed, and even some epic singing on a few songs! Words don't do this thing justice. You just have to EXPERIENCE it for yourself.

Do it. You will not regret it.
Personally, although I have every FF album on my PC up to 11 Online without the expansions, IV isn't that great of an album musically. Nobuo matured as he created the music for V, VI and VII in my opinion. Then again, I can't say a bad thing about VII at all... the spin offs, yeah I won't go into them...

But. I have enjoyed this album. It is worth downloading to be sure. Still, nothing on VoTL for me. That and Project Chaos are my favourite two Projects.

[quintin3265]

Personally, although I have every FF album on my PC up to 11 Online without the expansions, IV isn't that great of an album musically. Nobuo matured as he created the music for V, VI and VII in my opinion. Then again, I can't say a bad thing about VII at all... the spin offs, yeah I won't go into them...

But. I have enjoyed this album. It is worth downloading to be sure. Still, nothing on VoTL for me. That and Project Chaos are my favourite two Projects.

I agree with this comment. The remixers did a good job with what they had. The problem I had is that there just wasn't enough source material for all the tracks that were on the remix album. Look at the VGMdb - the remix album is almost three times as long as the original is.

[KyleJCrb]

I don't think that has anything to do with it: I count 52 tracks for the OST (http://vgmdb.net/album/5681), and 46 for this album. The only track that is remixed more than once on EOB is Rydia. The reason the remix album is longer than the OST is because overall each song is longer, due to the nature of remixing, which involves extending sections, writing new material, changing keys, tempos, styles, etc. etc.

Unless you mean that there weren't enough GOOD songs on the original soundtrack to do a full remix album like this, which is entirely subjective.

[Retnuhytnuob]

Just found the site about 2 weeks ago while looking for which of chrono trigger's tracks were composed by Nobuo. I now have 11 of the albums, and much of the rest of the site's collection. :-P

FF IV (II then on my US SNES) is the first RPG I really had much experience with, and remains one of my favorite games to this point. As such, hearing these renditions of the soundtrack means a lot to me.

Excellent work on each track! (Including the 'Rhymes with Elixir' track for humor value, though I don't think it really fits with the rest of the album)

As an album I found that though the songs themselves excellent, but that the flow from song to song was... at times... awkward. This may be one of the factors with the people who dislike the album as a whole. While I am aware that the album is ordered as the tracks appear in the game, I will admit that I needed to reorder the tracks to get the full effect of the Betrayal, Strife, and Redemption themes without the song breaks destroying the immersion experience.

Concerning some individual tracks:

Fighting for Tomorrrrow perfectly captures the warrior monk aspect of Fabul, as well as the struggle and pride they have, even when facing almost certain defeat. These monks show hope even then, as was the case in game. I have chills each time I listen to this track

Full of Courage and The Might of Baron give the perfect beginning to the album, showing the strength of the hometown, and pride of the airfleet. The march in Might works excellently with the electric guitars, strings and trumpets in a wonderful rendition of this track.

Edward's Dream Quartet's string arrangement gives a wonderful break amidst the other tracks, giving a softer taste amidst the other electric/rock tracks (this track flows especially when played directly after Overture ~ Tellah's Prophecy)

The Skies Hold No Angels for Us is perfect for that city, and what has happened there just before you arrived.

All six battle songs (Of Fiend and Man, Interlude ~ Yay!, Survival Instinct, Treason, and the two Finale songs) play excellently. More than just capture the epicness of the battles, they enhance it. The voice work in the Finale, brings heightened emotion, as it does in Fighting for Tomorrrrow.

Theme of Love for Guitar Duet was a calming break amidst the strife of the events in the tracks surrounding it.

Long Time Gone is simply an enjoyable and at times invigorating track.

I enjoyed Golbez 'N Goblins, though overall the 'in and out' effect (and the sound edge it causes at the beginning) which is applied to much of the track (lasting till 2:15, and brought back in at 2:45) comes close to ruining the track for me, as the pressure changes strains my ears both when using headphones and when listening through a stereo. Fortunately, for most of the song other instruments keep this from completely overpowering. - Still, I will have to say that bLiNd'S other tracks here work better for me.

Somewhere to Hide has an excellent musical track. For me though, the Vocals (though well done) don't work as well for me as they do in other tracks, which makes them a bit of a distraction for me.

Of the other tracks, there are a few which buried the source a little too far, a few others which had some clipping problems that hurt them for me, and several that work well in context that I havent yet commented on.

These brought back some good memories. Thank you!

[Colma]

I have been a fan of this site for a couple of years but I absolutely adore this album, I signed up just to say that. I especially love bLiNd's tracks, it's all great though, there is honestly not a track on it that I don't enjoy.

[Moguta]

After listening thoroughly, gotta say that my reaction to the FF4 album is very mixed. There are tracks I personally think shouldn't have even made the album... but there are those too that I feel push the envelope for remix excellence. Thanks to "Fighting for Tomorrow" and "Genesis of Destruction", I can't get the idea of an entirely remix-opera (as opposed to genre-singular 'rock-opera') project out of my head. It's so exhilarating to hear full choir with such passion in a free fan-made VGM arrangement. Such efforts truly embody and signify just how far game music remixing has come.

On that note, congrats and kudos to all involved!

[Forgotten]

god i love the song B-02 I Love This Radio (Theme of Love) [Theory of Nonexistence] from the bonus CD

[audio fidelity]

Nokonoko just pm'd you with long's info

[prophetik]

Long Time Gone is simply an enjoyable and at times invigorating track.

hey, thanks, man! i think you're one of the first people to comment on my track :<

[DrumUltimA]

My turn to post here!

While everyone's entitled to their own opinions, I will say I am surprised that so many people found this album "disappointing", or an example of a "decline in quality" on ocr. This album actually exceeded my expectations. There are a few weak tracks in my opinion, but I'm pretty genuinely enjoying everything I hear. I've been listening to it like crazy since it came out. Call me silly, but I don't think my standards are particularly low either...

I'm also surprised at how many people aren't picking up on the humor in some of these tracks. In fact, two of my favorite tracks are Rhymes with Elixer and Zeromus the Serialist for that reason. I actually thought Zeromus the Serialist sounded really cool the first time I heard it... but I was probably biased knowing the guy who made it is not likely to have produced something like this out of inexperience ;)