ORC 123: The fruit of the loop

[Doulifée]

- The Original Remixing Competition -

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2296/orcyn7.png (http://www.doulifee.com/prc/Orc/orcwinner.php)

Welcome to ORC123.

Source Material
Last month winner was protodome and like the other the title was quit disturbing, thinking about it it can't be worse than RZ the founder of the contest who was always calling his song noname or untitled. So now let's move to the next step, a link to protodome's MIDI:

Protodome - It was better when it was in FL - MIDI (http://compo.thasauce.net/files/materials/ORC123_This%20Sounded%20Better%20When%20it%20Was%2 0in%20FL....mid)




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Good luck everyone.[/I]

Deadline
20th September Midnight US East Coast
http://compo.thasauce.net/sigs/compo/ORC

The contest is a monthly contest so the deadline is programmed to be the 3rd sunday of the month. Voting stage will follow till the 4th sunday of the month. Next context will start again the first of the next month.

The Quick Rules Rundown

Step 1 -Submission:-

1. Anyone can enter regardless of your remixing ability.
2. Filesize is limited to 8 meg.
3. You may only enter one piece. but can collab on a second one.
4. When you've finished your entry, post it in the compo tha sauce system. HERE (http://compo.thasauce.net/rounds/view/ORC123).
5. You may submit your piece as a MIDI, MP3 or OGG file.

Step 2 -Vote:-
Voting will be done via Thasauce. Voting stage will last 1 week from the 20th to the 27th Midnight .



About the comment:
You are now allowed to comment anytime EXCEPT during the voting stage..
that mean that once a mix is posted, you can feedback it, until the submission process is over. Remixer are able to fix/enhance it until the deadline. The date in the PM/Email will be used to upload the most recent one.

About a draw in the result:
It happen sometime. Both remixer are still officially Winner, but i'll ask the remixer with the less "Win" to send me his song.

[PROTO·DOME]

But it was better in FL! Stupid Loopyfruits changing all the velocities when it rendered. Silly program. However I do love it to pieces. ^o^

[jabond23]

SUUUUUURE it was! ;) :D

Anyways. Since i missed out on the last couple contests, i might actually do this one. I just subbed my entry for the PCR 152 challenge. I'm really diggin this tune though and since its not due for about 3 weeks now, i've got plenty of time to get it right. :)

[Gario]

Hey, I hear a classic 5-6 chromatic descenting progression there, don't I? I'll see if I can come up with something, but I do have my plate full. Nonetheless, I'll take a shot, I think.

Give me two and a half weeks to do nothing then freak out on the last few days :nicework:.

[hewhoisiam]

Hey, I hear a classic 5-6 chromatic descenting progression there.

BAH. Every time I poke around where Gario is; he's talking about things I don't know again...:oops:

I'll see if I can't get somefin worked out. At least 2, maybe 3 hours before the deadline.

[WillRock]

BAH. Every time I poke around where Gario is; he's talking about things I don't know again...:oops:

Don't worry about it, gario speaks in crazy theory talk to confuse and annoy people :<

[PROTO·DOME]

Hey, I hear a classic 5-6 chromatic descenting progression there, don't I?

1-5-minor5-4 actually. But yes! You win! Correct!

*cheering*

Yay! Go Garrrriiio!

[hewhoisiam]

1-5-minor5-4 actually. But yes! You win! Correct!

*cheering*

Yay! Go Garrrriiio!

Rub it in whydontcha?

[PROTO·DOME]

Rub it in whydontcha?

Awww! C'mon man! You did an awesome theoretical break-down for "Who am I"!

[hewhoisiam]

Awww! C'mon man! You did an awesome theortetical break-down for "Who am I"!
I'm flattered :-)

[Gario]

1-5-minor5-4 actually. But yes! You win! Correct!

Wait, your right... Ah well, the bass IS descending chromatically, right? :-x

Roman numerals are fine, too - most people know what they are (I - V - v - IV). Slippin' in the minor dominant to throw my analysis off, aren't ya?!

Hewhoisiam, your analysis was waaay better than my short one here - yours had something like twelve chords in it (while mine has a measly four). Give yourself more credit :<.

[jabond23]

ummm..... YEAH!!! I was TOTALLY going to say that, but gosh darn the luck. Gario beat me to it! :D :D :D :D

[hewhoisiam]

But I cheated, cause I wrote the ting :tomatoface:

It's harder to werk backwards

[PROTO·DOME]

Wait, your right... Ah well, the bass IS descending chromatically, right? :-x

Roman numerals are fine, too - most people know what they are (I - V - v - IV). Slippin' in the minor dominant to throw my analysis off, aren't ya?!

Yeah, I guess so, however the bassline isn't that straight forward- but for simplicity’s sake that's a yes. I wasn't too sure how many people understood the numerals- but that's cool, you're right I-V-v-IV but there's a bunch of nineths and sixths in various places too. ^o^

And hey! I like my piece only having four chords!!!

EDIT-

You'll find that there's a chromatic note decending but not really in the bass. I'll give a break down in C major:

We have a C chord which then goes to a G. The chromaticism is in the first note of C to the third in G. We get the third flattened in Gminor and decends again to the third in F. Meaning we get a run of C, B, Bb, A. Whilst I do utilise this in the bassline (perhaps- I can't remember) the chromaticism is more implied through the harmonies. I dunno if you've noticed but I tend to do this a lot in my chord sequences. A big favorite of mine is C, Gminor, F, Fminor. There's no chromaticism between the C and the Gminor, but from then on it works under the same principle, a decending third.

[jabond23]

And hey! I like my piece only having four chords!!!

Damn does four chords ever now how to pah-TAY!! :)

[hewhoisiam]

...And I've gone cross-eyed again...

:puppyeyes:

[Gario]

You don't know what can of worms your opening when you make a theory assault on me, ProtoDome :twisted:. I'll be nice to you, though - you know not what you do, lol.

If you want to know what is going on harmonically, your suspending the tonic root throughout the song in the bass (well, in most of it, anyway). Functionally speaking, therefore, you are not moving in chords at all - instead, your cycling through a series of passing motions that keep returning to the tonic chord again. For example, the chromatic descending portion is moving from C, B, Bb, A, G (which is from the C chord again), while most of the other notes follow suite in a similar manner. Thus, technically the entire song (except for the beginning which does not have this sustained note) is simply an expansion of the tonic with cool color motion to keep things interesting.

The illusion of chords comes from the fact that you move your voices so they continually create chords above the tonic root in the bass - and the lowest of those notes create the descending chromatic pattern that we all hear and love. Indeed, the 'bass' in that case is using the motion, but the roots, of course, do not. You are using the chords (with figured bass) I - V6 - v6 - IV6 which does complete the chromatic descending pattern in the bass (if you ignore the root tonic that is sustained through the entire piece, of course).

I think I have to remix this, now - I've spent too much time analysing it to ignore it, now. I'm going to change the structure a bit when I remix this, though, just to change things up a little. Rawr :<.

[jabond23]

i think i have to remix this, now - i've spent too much time analysing it to ignore it, now. I'm going to change the structure a bit when i remix this, though, just to change things up a little. Rawr :<.

awwwww snap! :d

[PROTO·DOME]

And I really can't argue with you there Gario, you're right. I really dig the whole tonic pedal thing, it's annoying me that I didn't point that out earlier- a heck loada my stuff does that. Perhaps laziness? If we're working under one key essentially then the melodic line can remain simple and doesn't have to deviate anywhere when the 'chords change'.

And anyway, I do change chords, if you noticed the other two chords that resolve back to the root. ¬__¬

But yeah, looks as if you've gotta remix now... *whistles*

[Hardbeat Acolyte]

*Is overwhelmed by all the theory talk*
I might perhaps try to mix something up for this, if i can make anything cool in time =p

[Kyle Nin]

Only two days left and still no entries.

[PROTO·DOME]

Yeeeeaaaahhh! C'mon guys!

[jabond23]

Its an awesome source, and i'd love to remix it. The problem is that my DAW won't let me export anything as a MIDI file. Only mp3, ogg, wav, or wma. That, and i don't know how to fully use FL 8...

[WillRock]

I'm sorry to say I probably won't be submitting an entry...

I'm in no state to remix at the moment :| sorry proto! :puppyeyes:

[PROTO·DOME]

I'm sorry to say I probably won't be submitting an entry...

I'm in no state to remix at the moment :| sorry proto! :puppyeyes:

But Jaques... *sob*

[Gario]

Jabond, your submission should be in an Mp3 format. If you win, your original composition should be in midi format. You can sub your Mp3 file without a problem :).

I've got something in the works, so hang tight ProtoDome - you'll have at least one submission (two with JaBond, three with Setokaibarocket). We will presevere!

[jabond23]

That i understand. I'm just not sure how i'm gonna get an original midi for you guys. IF i win. ;)

[Gario]

You could try some of the free midi programs (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Editors-Recorders/Anvil-Studio.shtml) out there, or if you have FL I'm sure it can export in midi.

C'mon, just make a submission for the poor guy :<.

[PROTO·DOME]

C'mon, just make a submission for the poor guy :<.

*sob*
Whoever wins I promise to remix yours next month. I'll give it all the love you never gave mine...

...

I'm looking at you Will. I shall remember this! Kira won't forget.
Hehehehe.

[jabond23]

I GUESS i could. I do have :35 of my remix done so far. :D

[PROTO·DOME]

^o^ (10char)

[jabond23]

WAIT!! I've now got an almost full 2 minutes! :D

I had to finish up my entry into the PRC. Even though i had about 3 weeks to do both. :/ ;)

[PROTO·DOME]

^________^

[Kyle Nin]

Only three hours left!

[JerryTerry]

Well, I made a remix =) Just one problem (Brace yourselves for a long-winded and rather improbable story xD) :

After 'finishing' the mix (Well, not perfectly finished, but in a state where you could call it so) I rendered it to mp3 and put it on my PSP (For some reason I like to test it on my PSP). This was like a week ago. Some time between then and now,my laptop died. It completely spazzed out xD But at least I still have the MP3

Soo, I'll get to my problem now - My mp3 is 7.5 megs, the upload limit for the competition is 6 megs, I can't re-render it in a lower quality due to a dead laptop, the deadline is in around 2 hours.

So, I'll try and find some easy way to compress it, maybe with reaper or something, but might not make the deadline. It wasn't particularly good anyway. Oh well, may the best remix win (Assuming anyone actually submits anything)

*edit* Well, that was easier than I expected. The lower quality makes it see kinda muffled and wrong to me, but whatever. I'm gonna upload now, though don't expect anything amazing. (In fact, expect something below mediocre xD)

[Gario]

Well Jerry, you could upload the music on another site (such as box.net or something) and one of us could compress the Mp3 file down to an acceptable size. Just be sure to do it within the hour! Wait, you've fixed it, nm :P

Got mine up, Proto - there's now at least two settings of your song (and probably three, with Jabond).

[jabond23]

I'm just about to upload mine, finally.

See Will, you've got some love this month. ;)

[Gario]

Will? ProtoDome made the source, Jabond, lol. I understand, though - Will seems to have the most attention in these compos :tomatoface:.

Not a bad turnout, considering there were no entries about an hour or so ago.

[jabond23]

Holy crap. I meant Proto. I think Will won last round?

[PROTO·DOME]

No! Mr ProtoDome did! Willrock? Pah, more like Protorock amirite?! Hahaha, oh wow I'm modest.

Y'know there's nothing more awesome than hearing your source remixed- thanks a lot guys! Enjoying the entries a lot! ^o^

[WillRock]

Holy crap. I meant Proto. I think Will won last round?

No, its was my source last round :lol:

[jabond23]

I have no idea what's going on anymore!!!! AHHHH!!!! :D

[analoq]

My mp3 is 7.5 megs, the upload limit for the competition is 6 megs, I can't re-render it in a lower quality due to a dead laptop, the deadline is in around 2 hours.

The system doesn't enforce that limit, so in cases of extenuating circumstances you can upload a little more than 6 megs (though I don't recall where the hard limit actually is). But I do appreciate you making the effort to comply with our 6 meg guideline nonetheless.

Also, /voted

cheers.

[Gario]

I think the actual contest guidelines say the limit is 8 megs, but the compo site doesn't want more than 6, so if Jerry could have gotten around that he would've been okay.

Of course, keeping it under 6 megs is a pretty good habit, all around, so... yeah.

[JerryTerry]

Oh, cool. I thought the hard limit was 6. Now I know it isn't,I can bend the guidelines in the future ;)

And /voted =] I am allowed to vote, right? I remember reading on the comp homepage that I can vote (As long as I don't vote for myself), though I can't find the page anymore, so I'm inclined to believe that it might have been a dream xD

Edit: *Facepalm* Found it. Who'd have thought that you could reach the homepage by clicking the big banner that says "Original Remix Competition"? xD

[Gario]

Great - actually, you're encouraged to vote, if you're a mixer (as long as you don't vote yourself, like I did during one compo :|). Otherwise it puts the mixers that voted at a disadvantage (like me :puppyeyes:).

Best of luck :)

[jabond23]

Well, i guess i didn't actually expect to win this round, lol. I should've really spent more time on it. I still like it though and the results came in pretty close to each other. :D

[JerryTerry]

Holy crap! I won? Damnit, it thought Gario's was way better xD

It was kinda repetetive I know, I intended to go back and add stuff and change it up a bit, but due to the unfortunate (And rather 'convenient') Laptop complication, alas I could not. (You may be glad to know that my laptop has made a reasonable recovery)

(Oh, and in response to the "Where's the panning and soundscapes" comment in the votes, I kinda went overboard with the file compression to fit the apparent 6mb limit, and seemingly the mild lfo on the lead, slight panning, and kinda-dynamic effects seem to have been lost - or at least dulled beyond recognition. Oh well.)

So, I'm supposed to make some kinda midi for the next competition now right? So, um... being a complete newbie to this place, what exactly is the system here for doing this? (And any standards on length, content, etc.?)

*edit* Oh, and now that you (Protodome I believe) mention it, I hear the slight mario reference, assuming you mean World 1-1 from super mario land on the gameboy. It wasn't intentional though.

[jabond23]

I believe you can make your original midi any length you want. Probably wanna keep it around 3 minutes or so. As for content, it could be any style or genre. Just make sure your ending product/source is a midi file for the rest of us to remix. :)

[PROTO·DOME]

Well done Jerry!!!! W00t! Nice! Looking forward to your source next month! It will be awesome I'm sure. Oh and Gario- yay! I rule this time! Not Will!

(Protodome I believe)

No! It was Gario! What's with the name swapping this thread?! Heh heh.

[jabond23]

No! It was Gario! What's with the name swapping this thread?! Heh heh.


I'll be honest. I don't read anything, ever, lol.

[JerryTerry]

Looking forward to your source next month! It will be awesome I'm sure...

Great, no pressure then ¬¬

I generally use Anvil Studio for all things midi, but it's quite a pain to use. I suppose I could try and figure out how to make midi with FL studio, or I could just use another easier program. Any suggestions? (Oh yeah, and what date do I have to send it in by? Better yet, where do I send it? Even better yet, why the hell don't I just get this info from the competition homepage? Who knows...)

*Edit* Ah, the answer to the latter seems to be because the information is rather vague on the homepage. So do I just PM the midi to Doulife when It's done or something?

Sorry for being a complete 'noob' xD (for some reason I hate that word)

[PROTO·DOME]

Nah, no pressure at all!

Just write a normal song in FL, replace all the instruments with "MIDI out" and then select the instrument you want in the plug-in pop-up menu thing; that's how I do it. Yeah, PM Doulife- soonish- before next month preferably.

Don't worry! And I prefer "newb" for this circumstance. N00b is more an insult than anything.

[Gario]

*growl, grumble*

Congratulation on the win, dude - be sure to post an awesome source for us all! And yeah, I was totally thinking the Mario Land 1-1 song. It does sound like it in parts of your mix, lol.

Get workin' on the source, now!

[JerryTerry]

Great, sounds easy. I'll just brush the many gnawed chicken legs off my piano and start from there (Chicken legs and piano - the source of many a creative tune xD)

And thanks for the tip, Protodome, this would've taken me ages in Anvil studio.

By the way, if I take too long, or pass whatever the definition of "Soon-ish" is, feel free to PM me or find some metaphorical (Or even literal if you wish) way of slapping me in the face, just to wake me up. I'm sure I'll be fine, but you never know.

Oh, and by "Before next month" You mean like in a day? it's next month in 2 days isn't it? >.< Gah, the pressure!

[Gario]

Yeah, basically got two days to get it done (seriously), so get to it!

[JerryTerry]

Christ, really? Well, I'm gonna have to speed up then. (Unless of course you were joking, but I take it you weren't?)

By the way, Protodome, (I suppose I could easilly just find some kinda tutorial on this, but there's no harm in asking, right?) How exactly do I get drums when using midi out in FL?

[PROTO·DOME]

Ah! Yes! The dums! A tricky thing indeed! Set the drum track to "channel 10" on the little plug-in window thing and export! Yay!

(And no, Gario isn't joking- this compo is harsh when you win.)

[JerryTerry]

Awesome, thanks for the help ^_^ . I'll try to stop asking stupid questions now and get to work xD

(I'm starting to regret winning now xD)

[PROTO·DOME]

Awesome, thanks for the help ^_^ . I'll try to stop asking stupid questions now and get to work xD

Nawww, those questions weren't stupid- took me ages to work out the channel thing in FL (which was silly of me because I always knew the drum channel in MIDI was 10).

Also~ you're english too! Hurray!

[JerryTerry]

Yup, completly english :-D Not sure if I should be too happy about that any more though, I hear our country isn't doing too well xD

Great, all seems to be working perfectly now. It's annoying having to convert all the channels back to midi-outs every time I want to test it, but it's still much more bearable then Anvil studio.

I also knew that the drum channel is 10, but for some reason it just seemed too simple to just set the channel to 10, so I never thought to try it.

Thanks for the help, I think I might be actually able to meet the looming deadline now =) Just don't go expecting a masterpiece or anything, it's sounding horribly mediocre at the moment ¬¬

[WillRock]

Also~ you're english too! Hurray!

Maybe we can have an english party and have cups of tea :-P

Nice work guys :D

[PROTO·DOME]

Maybe we can have an english party and have cups of tea :-P

Nice work guys :D

May sound silly... But I would. Hahahahahaha! Oh gosh I love tea.

[JerryTerry]

Maybe we can have an english party and have cups of tea :-P


Hell yeah! I mean... sounds spiffing old bean. Just let me dust off my bowler hat and we'll... Oh fiddlesticks, some blighter's pinched it. Whoever took it is in for some serious fisticuffs!

- Tally Ho

[jabond23]

Pip Pip, cheerio, and all that sort of rot my good fellow. See, i'm British too! ;)

:D

[JerryTerry]

Ookay, finished :-D as expected it's not exactly brilliant. Or good at all, for that matter xD

Now to just post it to Doulifée and I'll be on my merry way =)