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big giant circles
09-05-2009, 01:31 AM
This is inevitably going to turn into a PC vs Mac thread, and that's not my intention. But I do mean to talk about this thing objectively. I have the old one, not the wireless.

So anyway, this gadget absolutely SUCKS. It's not intuitive or ergonomic, the wheel shoots the cursor all over the dang place, and I find the wheel click atrocious. For whatever reason, the right click (mouse 2) button ignores me half the time. AND WHAT THE EFF is the deal with the 2" cable?

http://gbennett.whsites.net/zencart/images/products/mightymouse.jpg

I suppose while I'm at it, I may as well continue to question Apple's decisions on the direction of their keyboards as well. For one thing, I can't stand the feel of these "cutting edge" razor-thin, flat keys. I like to be able to feel my fingers pressing the keys. And who's idea was it to get rid of the number pad (and half the other keys) in the newer keyboards?

http://gregbelldesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/new-apple-keyboard-top-view.jpg

Also, their newer iMacs seem to only have firewire 800 ports, so you'd have to buy new cables to use all your FW gear.

Apple has some nifty things, sure, and I'm not here to argue about whether or not their computers themselves are any better or worse than PC's, but seriously, how can they possibly think that this crap is practical? I'm glad they like to make everything shiny and small and either round or flat[/sarcasm], but these are terrible decisions, and they frustrate me.

Moseph
09-05-2009, 02:59 AM
Yes, I have had the misfortune of using the Mighty Mouse. Scroll wheel's too small, the lack of separation between the two buttons is inconvenient, and the side buttons mean you have to readjust your grip on the mouse just to lift it up and move it without clicking. It is seriously the worst mouse ever.

Harmony
09-05-2009, 04:00 AM
maybe this is a naive question, but why not just go with a PC mouse that you like? I guess the keyboard is a little trickier, but that could be replaced too. Is there some functionality you'd miss out on?

big giant circles
09-05-2009, 04:04 AM
Well I do. Or rather, I did, my extra mouse recently went bad, so for the time being I'm back to using the mighty mouse on this computer.

I guess really the discussion is more than anything an excuse for me to see if there is anyone who can provide a compelling case that the Mighty Mouse is not completely retarded and poorly thought out in a huge way. Same goes for their new keyboard (which I actually don't have, but I remember seeing it for the first time and being totally dumbfounded).

Rozovian
09-05-2009, 10:21 AM
Having a scroll ball instead of a scroll wheel is the only good thing about the MM. I don't usually have a problem with right-clicking with my MM, but that scrollball gathers lots of crap and stops working from time to time, and there's no sensible way of opening and cleaning the mouse. Also bothers me that you can't lift the mouse while clicking without holding the side buttons with thumb and 5th finger... which is not ergonomic.

Apple's mouse during the 333MHz iMacs took a while of getting used to, too. APple should be a little more utilitarian and stop being so design/innovation-oriented. Nothing wrong with design or innovation, except when there's something wrong with the design or innovation. :(

As for the keyboard... yeah, stupid. You can get a full-sized keyboard for the same price tho, but you have to specify that when you order the machine. Also, getting an FW400 hub to plug into the 800 port isn't hard... but it's more work.

Even tho Apple is awesome ;) , they're not awesome at everything.

Zephyr
09-05-2009, 04:19 PM
I had a lot of trouble clicking with one of those the first time I used it, side buttons are nifty, but I can get those on a normal mouse, with normal clickers. Scroll wheel is teensy, looks shiny though!

DZComposer
09-05-2009, 05:34 PM
I firmly believe Apple should move back to the mouse that originally shipped with the Apple IIgs. ( http://apple2history.org/museum/peripherals_apple/a2gsmouse.html ) :P

On a more serious note, the Logitech G5 is the best mouse I've used to date.

Also, it isn't just Apple that has decided that the keyboard is more about looks than about how touch-typing feels. Some runs (but not others) of Dell's keyboards just feel squishy and nasty. With Dell, I think it's QC failure since some are fine, but others feel like I'm typing in jello. Also, what's with this trend of putting laptop keys on desktop keyboards?

I can tolerate those disgusting keys on laptops, but when I'm sitting at a desktop, I want the real feel.

What's next? The return of chiclet keyboards? *shudders*

Seriously, though. Aple's Form > Function approach is like a disease. Other companies are starting to catch it, too.

big giant circles
09-05-2009, 06:34 PM
I can tolerate those disgusting keys on laptops, but when I'm sitting at a desktop, I want the real feel.

What's next? The return of chiclet keyboards? *shudders*

Seriously, though. Aple's Form > Function approach is like a disease. Other companies are starting to catch it, too.

Lots of this. Yep.

Also, I think I disagree with the mouse-ball for all the reasons Roz stated. Plus, I just find it easier to wheel-click and then move in any direction like in Windows.

Yoozer
09-06-2009, 02:23 AM
I guess really the discussion is more than anything an excuse for me to see if there is anyone who can provide a compelling case that the Mighty Mouse is not completely retarded and poorly thought out in a huge way. Same goes for their new keyboard (which I actually don't have, but I remember seeing it for the first time and being totally dumbfounded).

The shape of the mouse assumes that your hand is completely symmetrical.

The keyboard assumes that your fingers are going to get longer from thumb to pinky.

Ergonomic keyboards don't look that cool, though. (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg)

big giant circles
09-06-2009, 05:33 AM
Ergonomic keyboards don't look that cool, though. (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg)

Says you, that puppy is awesome!

avaris
09-06-2009, 07:02 AM
Ahhh the keyboard itself kicks ass for the keys themselves; not necessarily the shape. When typing loooooong ass papers they are handy for typing fast.

The mouse does suck...royally

audio fidelity
09-06-2009, 07:31 AM
Why all the hate Jimmy?

I'm cool with the setup. Have the same issue with the ball. My roomate who works at the apple store suggests to rub some alcohol on your finger and use the ball to clean it.

I know peeps that have issues wiht the right click but I have never had an issue.

avaris
09-06-2009, 11:40 AM
Why all the hate Jimmy?

I'm cool with the setup. Have the same issue with the ball. My roomate who works at the apple store suggests to rub some alcohol on your finger and use the ball to clean it.

I know peeps that have issues wiht the right click but I have never had an issue.

So the correct way to clean your balls is with alcohol? :razz:

Harmony
09-06-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm cool with the setup. Have the same issue with the ball. My roomate who works at the apple store suggests to rub some alcohol on your finger and use the ball to clean it.Why don't they just give people the ability to open up the mouse to clean it like just about every other peripheral in the world :?. I'd have a bigger problem with not having that type of freedom with my hardware than any ergonomic issues.

big giant circles
09-06-2009, 04:01 PM
Why all the hate Jimmy?

Well I think I've made that pretty clear, don't you? ;)

But seriously, you can't deny that the mouse is less practical than virtually every other mouse that exists, can you?

Fishy
09-06-2009, 04:35 PM
I use a random pc mouse. I can't stand the little ball wheel, it just feels horrible. Likewise the new touch pad where you can click the whole thing is awful to me, dragging clicks just feel unnatural.

The keyboard on the other hand is amazing imo. It feels so nice to type on, as does the one on my macbook pro. Keyboards good, mouses soooo bad.

big giant circles
09-06-2009, 09:40 PM
The keyboard on the other hand is amazing imo. It feels so nice to type on, as does the one on my macbook pro. Keyboards good, mouses soooo bad.

Fair enough, but why did they get rid of half the keys? Who benefits from that?

theshaggyfreak
09-06-2009, 10:34 PM
While I'm not a huge fan of the Mighty Mouse, I do like their newer keyboards of which you can get with the full set of keys including the num pad. It's actually quite comfortable to use but it did take a little getting used to since it takes a lot less pressure to use than a normal keyboard.

rig1015
09-08-2009, 01:40 PM
I hate the MM and use a LogiTech wireless mouse instead, but I do use a full keyed razor thin keyboard and I like it better that traditional keyboards... just wish the keys lit up like the MacPro's keys.

Fishy
09-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Fair enough, but why did they get rid of half the keys? Who benefits from that?

I... didn't know they did that. As long as you can buy the numpad one still should it matter?

big giant circles
09-08-2009, 11:13 PM
I... didn't know they did that. As long as you can buy the numpad one still should it matter?

I suppose not. But remember again, this is more of a thread to see if anyone can offer/speculate WHY Apple makes these decisions, and what the intended benefit is. It's not an Apple-hate thread.

Fishy
09-08-2009, 11:31 PM
Well, presumably its because they get a lot of love for their laptop keyboards. I can't think that desk space is an issue for people buying imacs/mac pros; maybe they want something diddly to go with their mac mini's?

On reflection you're right; it doesn't make a huge amount of sense but apple have a nice history of answering demand for features so maybe a lot of people asked for the option?

rig1015
09-09-2009, 04:35 PM
I tend to notice that when a company becomes a fortune 500 company they start doing things that 1 consumer might find weird but 1000's of others don't. Apple always strives to make the future with computer technology, and a lot of us think that the future of computers is smaller and smaller. I can't blame Apple for thinking smaller, cleaner, tighter, is better. Maybe they know something about hands we don't.

Moseph
09-09-2009, 06:27 PM
I tend to notice that when a company becomes a fortune 500 company they start doing things that 1 consumer might find weird but 1000's of others don't. Apple always strives to make the future with computer technology, and a lot of us think that the future of computers is smaller and smaller. I can't blame Apple for thinking smaller, cleaner, tighter, is better. Maybe they know something about hands we don't.
You may have something there. If you only use your computer for web browsing and word processing, as a lot of people do, you don't really need a numpad.

Gario
09-10-2009, 02:03 AM
Mac's are alright, but their flair for 'innovation' isn't really helping them, atm. Seriously - no one was thinking of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA) when reading this thread?

Harmony
09-10-2009, 04:09 PM
their flair for 'innovation' isn't really helping them, atmatm, whatever they're doing, they should just keep doing that (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart3:symbol=aapl;range=ytd;indica tor=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues= 0;logscale=on;source=undefined). Innovation is what keeps them competitive, and without that cool factor they'd lose a huge part of their fanbase.

rig1015
09-10-2009, 04:17 PM
Gario not trying to stomp on your boner err anything...
Mac's are alright, but their flair for 'innovation' isn't really helping them, atm. Seriously - no one was thinking of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA) when reading this thread?
The Wheel?!? You can still type.... but it just takes a lot longer... and with that cricket battery you got what, 20min's before it expires. Probably couldn't even finish two sentences of your message like that. It just seems silly... like trying to mix without speakers.

Harmony
09-10-2009, 04:28 PM
Gario not trying to stomp on your boner err anything...

The Wheel?!? You can still type.... but it just takes a lot longer... and with that cricket battery you got what, 20min's before it expires. Probably couldn't even finish two sentences of your message like that. It just seems silly... like trying to mix without speakers.LOL. the Onion strikes again :)

rig1015
09-10-2009, 04:55 PM
LOL. the Onion strikes again :)
Shit. Did the Onion say something like that? Whatever :-P

Harmony
09-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Shit. Did the Onion say something like that? Whatever :-PThat news report is from the Onion :) They put in so much time, effort, and money to mock stuff. I <3 those guys.

rig1015
09-10-2009, 06:18 PM
That news report is from the Onion :) They put in so much time, effort, and money to mock stuff. I <3 those guys.

LOL. Ahh. I thought it seemed silly.

Zephyr
09-11-2009, 01:25 AM
I love it when people think the Onion is real. Especially when it's a company... and they quote it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_onion#The_Onion_taken_seriously

Gario
09-11-2009, 04:48 AM
(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart3:symbol=aapl;range=ytd;indica tor=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues= 0;logscale=on;source=undefined)atm, whatever they're doing, they should just keep doing that (http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart3:symbol=aapl;range=ytd;indica tor=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues= 0;logscale=on;source=undefined). Innovation is what keeps them competitive, and without that cool factor they'd lose a huge part of their fanbase.

Ah, point taken... but I'd personally like them better if they didn't feel the need to cater to the masses by making themselves out to be innovative.

Just personal feelings about 'em - I'm sure what they're doing is working fine for them.

Harmony
09-11-2009, 05:28 AM
I love it when people think the Onion is real. Especially when it's a company... and they quote it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_onion#The_Onion_taken_seriouslyInterestingly enough, I showed the onion report to two people at school today that I have a friendly ongoing Mac-vs-PC thing with, and they both thought it was real :) So Riggs you're not alone.

In defense of everyone who thought that was real, if you're not familiar with the onion (my two friends weren't) then the MacBook Wheel report is one of the more difficult jokes to catch imo. The reporters don't curse or make incredibly wrong or ridiculous claims, and if you don't read the ticker at the bottom, everything sounds like it could be legit.

But that's a problem! Even people who own and support Apple actually believe that the company would try to sell them an obviously impractical piece of hardware in the name of innovation. And successful or not, that's how you know that the company is too focused on design/innovation, as has been said.

big giant circles
09-11-2009, 06:08 PM
This isn't nearly as funny as the macbook wheel, but it's still worthy of a chuckle, and honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if there really are some people who are so ridiculously brainwashed by Apple's "innovations" that something like this doesn't seem quite so much of a stretch. :<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgls9IwWUyU

sefirosu
09-11-2009, 06:17 PM
"The 90s aren't important."
Not once do we get an idea of what that huge metal/glass ball does (except take up space. and look cool)
"The wealthier you are, the less expensive it will seem."

Arcana
09-11-2009, 07:05 PM
I don't know why you guys hate the keyboard so much. I think it's great because the keys aren't heavy. They travel enough to make you feel like you're pressing something but they're not heavy enough to make your hands tired. The keys don't "get caught" on the downstroke (something that occurs with keyboards as they age if they're not like IBM Model Ms) and the keys are spaced well, too.

I can type maybe 10% faster on the new Apple keyboard than I can on most "traditional" keyboards. My hands also don't get as tired, either.

The mouse isn't very good though, I always get a wired one with a new computer (since you can't opt to not get it) since it's okay as a backup mouse. The mouse ball is really, really awesome. I like it. But, I can't stand how the entire top clicks for BOTH sides.

Harmony
09-11-2009, 09:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgls9IwWUyUHaha, I remember seeing that a while ago :)

Moseph
10-20-2009, 09:10 PM
Bump.

THE MOUSE ITSELF IS THE BUTTON!!!!1111 (http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/)