Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Project Chaos - History

[Mr. Fox]

Shouldn't Boss 1 S3, Boss 1 S&K and Boss 2 come before Final Boss And Doomsday?

[Rexy]

Red Tailed Fox for the win. I just noticed that last night. 8O

[SnappleMan]

That's all to be decided later on. Right now it doesnt really matter.

[Nineko]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly.

[Coniferous]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly. Really? i like the way the are now, that way there in the order that they pop up in the game. just my opnion.

Also, on the issue of bandwidth... I seem to recall hedgehog haven taking somthing in the line of tens of gigabytes in 48 hours... thats somthing along the lines off 208 MB an hour... and seeing as this one isnt going to suck, i can assume we will need much more then that.

perhaps making the songs 128kbs to encourage people to download the higher quality bit torrent? the only problem i see with that is that people are impatient and download both, making the bandwidth problem worse. Hm.

Anyways, thats my two cents... *goes back to silent lurking*

[Rexy]

I don't know about the 128kb MP3s. There's bound to be some people who just can't use the torrents whatsoever, possibly due to firewall situations and whatnot.

[Internecivus Raptus]

Aye, I had to download and save the Mp3 tracks to my hard drive manually for Hedgehog Heaven.

[Coniferous]

I don't know about the 128kb MP3s. There's bound to be some people who just can't use the torrents whatsoever, possibly due to firewall situations and whatnot. ah, right.. good point. anyone ask Djprez if he'll donate the bandwidth? would he do somthing like that?

[SnappleMan]

The songs are being encoded on max quality variable bitrate. This results in the songs being twice the size they would be using 128kbps.

I will not use 128kbps because it sounds like a giraffe ejaculating in my ear. If I find someone encoding the songs from the project in 128kbps and distributing them, I will track them down and fuck their dog.

[jmr]

I will not use 128kbps because it sounds like a giraffe ejaculating in my ear.
That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

I'm glad you've made that decision. Anyone who uses 128 kbps (for anything other than streaming) should be dragged out into the street and shot.

[-RK-]

I will not use 128kbps because it sounds like a giraffe ejaculating in my ear.
That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

I'm glad you've made that decision. Anyone who uses 128 kbps (for anything other than streaming) should be dragged out into the street and shot.

Or having their dog vialated by a human version of a tasty cold beverage.

[Hemophiliac]

The songs are being encoded on max quality variable bitrate. This results in the songs being twice the size they would be using 128kbps.

I will not use 128kbps because it sounds like a giraffe ejaculating in my ear. If I find someone encoding the songs from the project in 128kbps and distributing them, I will track them down and fuck their dog.

i understand the reasoning behind not wanting to use 128kbps. however, if you're going to be using max quality vbr (320kbps) what's the point of even having mp3s? that literally isn't compression...hence my reasoning.

[Rexy]

I'm sure there'll be a fine balance between file size and compression. Think of it; at least it won't be the pain in the neck that is maximum CBR ;)

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

In case you're concerned about bandwidth:
- I will set up 3 mirrors for the album files only. Each one has tons of free Gigabytes and unlimited bandwidth (there should be 7 mirrors).
- I will set up a 100 mbits bittorrent seed if I'm provided with a .torrent
- I can host multiple encodings of the files if there's need to, this has yet to be decided.

Also, for websites hosting, I've just set up 2 mirrors, besides main hosting, and if bandwidth becomes a really big issue, I will turn them on (transparent & random redirection).

You can actually test and stress one of the mirrors right here (http://dediboite.poutred.net/~blue/), this way I'll see if it actually sense some sort of tickles (Don't even bother hacking, there's nothing yet).

Feedback about the mirror appreciated.

[Nineko]

however, if you're going to be using max quality vbr (320kbps) what's the point of even having mp3s?max quality VBR isn't 320kbps fyi...
EACH frame in a VBR file can vary from 32kbps to 320kbps, according to the complexity of that particular frame (silences are encoded by 32kbps frames, for example). the resulting bitrate is some value in the middle; the higher you set the quality, the higher will be the final bitrate. but it's almost impossible that ALL the frames will be 320kbps each.
when I encode VBR mp3s using the highest quality they usually end out to be somewhere in the 170-200 kbps range.
some good encoders give you also another option, called ABR. that is in fact VBR, but you set a "goal bitrate" instead of a quality, so the encoder will try to get the final bitrate to be *near* the wished one, but still in an average way.

[The Mutericator]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly.

Really? i like the way the are now, that way there in the order that they pop up in the game. just my opnion.

Ditto that, that's the way I always put them.

[Upthorn]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly.

I suggest to use the shuffle feature of your mp3 player.

[Nineko]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly.

I suggest to use the shuffle feature of your mp3 player.*sigh*

no one can see a joke.
I love to listen to tracks in order.

in other news, my mirror is set up and ready to go
http://digilander.iol.it/projectchaos/index.gif

[Red Shadow]

I will not use 128kbps because it sounds like a giraffe ejaculating in my ear.
That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

I'm glad you've made that decision. Anyone who uses 128 kbps (for anything other than streaming) should be dragged out into the street and shot.
Neither you nor snappleman like chiptunes, do you. :[

[The Mutericator]

I suggest to sort the tracks randomly.

I suggest to use the shuffle feature of your mp3 player.*sigh*

no one can see a joke.
I love to listen to tracks in order.[/url]

Fair enough, joke's on us, we panicked. Good jorb. Now release the project already, I'm hungry.

[jmr]

Anyone who uses 128 kbps (for anything other than streaming) should be dragged out into the street and shot.
Neither you nor snappleman like chiptunes, do you. :[I should have said:
Anyone who uses 128 kbps MP3 encoding (for anything other than streaming) should be dragged out into the street and shot.

[Hadyn]

there's this teaser website I have... that's very close to being released...

[PlastikBag]

there's this teaser website I have... that's very close to being released...
:!:

[Hadyn]

PRE-RELEASE TEASER SITE (http://s3k.ouiche.fr/)

that's right, we're online.

[Coniferous]

PRE-RELEASE TEASER SITE (http://s3k.ouiche.fr/)

that's right, we're online.wow... wow.. thats... thats effin sexy hadyn! what a fantastic job!

One question, the music button on the lower left, is that teaser music? or somthing not intended to be played right now?

[Hadyn]

Teaser music :)

[Mr. Fox]

Impressive.
Hadyn, you are the freaking master of sexy sites.

[Dark Phazon]

Wow. That is just plain awesome looking. Nice Work! :nicework:

[Hadyn]

Cheers guys!

Wanted to add that you should check back again every few days, we're planning on adding more bonus tracks to the media player to keep you all going until the official project release!

[Subz1987]

GASP!

Every song is completed?!?!?!

WOOHOO!

What's left to do?

[mike_taylor]

Fantastic teaser site. At SEGA Games Radio, there is huge support for this project!

I have just updated the homepage.

Click here to enter SGR (http://radio.emulationzone.org/chan1)

Congratulations guys, on a fantastic effort so far!

I am eagerly anticipating the final product EVEN MORE now!

[Xenon Odyssey]

Holy shit.

That is DAMN sexy.

:nicework: Hadyn. To the extreme.

[PlastikBag]

Wow, that site is secks.

[SnappleMan]

That teaser site will be getting updated with new demos and bonus tracks on a regular basis till the release! Keep checking back!

[KyleJCrb]

VERY impressive site. Nicely done, Hadyn. :)

[hobo]

Holy crap, that's an awesome preview site! Thanks for giving us something to do while you finalize the project.

[JackR]

Beautiful site. Completely different from what I was expecting actually, but it looks very professional.

On a related note, that Doomsday track (track 3 of 3) is :D

[Leon K.]

DOOOOOMMMMSSDAAAY!!!



<3


Good Lord Man....


Best.OCRProject.Ever?

[-RK-]

OMG HADYN!!!

That's badass dude. It's freakin sweet to hear that BG track I made in the background too.

Cheers man. :lol:

[Murmeli Walan]

OMG HADYN!!!

That's badass dude. It's freakin sweet to hear that BG track I made in the background too.

Cheers man. :lol:

Your track sounds like something out of Sonic Mega/Gems Collection. Very professional.

The teaser site is nothing short of fantastic. I'll be coming back to it constantly for new tracks until the release.

[Omatic]

The site is amazing. Great work.

[Eclipser1]

I've been watching this project since it started and I can't wait to get my hands on the final results. (and I wait until the end of the project to post encouragement...) From the teaser music, this will be well worth the wait.

Doomsday: goddamn, that is awesome. Is that something you threw away in favor of a different idea? If so, I can't wait to hear what the final version is like...

[SnappleMan]

That was the first demo of Doomsday I did a year ago. The song was finished, but the big crash I had ruined the project file (along with all my other projects). The version I am finishing now is simpler, but more fun to play :)

[SnappleMan]

On an unrelated note, my feelings go out to Blueberry, who's team just lost the world cup...

ITALIA!! WORLD FUCKING CHAMPIONS!!!! :D!

[Internecivus Raptus]

That is one fucking awesome teaser site! :D

[Vilecat]

Very nice site. It's clear and neat, even if it has a rather simple design. Good to see it doesn't need spiffy looking stuff in there to be anjoyable. Nice work, Hadyn :D

I'm wishing you guys the best for the outcome of the release. I've been following this project since the beginning, i'm positive the work that has been put in this will be rewarding for everyone.

[BrainCells]

I just have to say this teaser is amazing and very sexy too!!!!

And I have some italian blood, so hooray!!!!!!!!!
also, my team lost a lot to france, so hooray again!!!!

[Nineko]

I have some italian blood too. say, 100% :lol:

[Kureejii Lea]

Wow. Nicely done.

[JackR]

Hey, I just noticed a slight typo with the site. The opening line of About reads "Project Chaos sets out to be the game remix communities biggest...." It needs a possessive, I think.

[Hadyn]

True, but I'm busy and I think people know what I'm trying to say there anyway.

Thanks for all the positive feedback so far!

[Mr. Fox]

I have some italian blood too. say, 100% :lol:

Wanna give me some of that?

[SnappleMan]

So Marcos, do you FINALLY like my bass drum?!

[The Mutericator]

DOOOOOMMMMSSDAAAY!!!



<3


Good Lord Man....


Best.OCRProject.Ever?

Fails for you still being in End Boss Month ten days afterward.

[BrainCells]

So Marcos, do you FINALLY like my bass drum?!

hahaha, you took so long to talk about that!!!!
the kick is perfect, man, Rick Rubin couldn't have mixed it better. The drums are pretty much kicking ass all around and brought a new feeling to the song, it's like 10x heavier than before...

Now move your ass to Brazil so we can begin the ultimate metal band.
and bring Dennis with you

[SnappleMan]

Dennis will never leave Canada. He's too busy saying "Eh?" and enjoying free healthcare.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

score.

[Hetcenus]

Now move your ass to Brazil so we can begin the ultimate metal band.
and bring Dennis with you
Any room for a keyboardist?

[Nineko]

Now move your ass to Brazil so we can begin the ultimate metal band.
and bring Dennis with you
Any room for a keyboardist?two keyboardists?

[BrainCells]

Now move your ass to Brazil so we can begin the ultimate metal band.
and bring Dennis with you
Any room for a keyboardist?two keyboardists?

we can launch a Rick Wakeman tribute band :?

[supremespleen]

That is probably the sexiest website I've ever seen.

[Nashua]

Heh, I'm liking the teaser site. Good job, guys.

[SnappleMan]

I like the project site even better than the teaser site. Sleek black... it's so functional and sexy. I feel like paying Hadyn for his work.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

dude..... you and braincells murdered boss 2...... holy fucking jesus

[KyleJCrb]

I like the project site even better than the teaser site. Sleek black... it's so functional and sexy. I feel like paying Hadyn for his work.

Wow, and here I was expecting the teaser site to be the full site, just with more features upon the project release. Hadyn pretty much outdid himself here. Awesome. :)

[Internecivus Raptus]

I like the project site even better than the teaser site. Sleek black... it's so functional and sexy. I feel like paying Hadyn for his work.

Screens? http://www.apathbeyond.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif

[jmr]

I like the project site even better than the teaser site.uhh, is it even possible to top the awesomeness that is Hadyn's teaser site?
edit: spelling. ...sorry.

[-RK-]

Hoboy, I be excited.

[Hadyn]

I like the project site even better than the teaser site.uhh, is it even possible to top the awesomeness that is Haydn's teaser site?

It's probably more likely than somebody, say, spelling my name right ;)

[SnappleMan]

ZING!

[Holy Warrior Azar]

you and braincells murdered boss 2

I some how doubt that's even possible. :P

Unless "murdered" is a good thing. :?

[SnappleMan]

You have to take into account that KFC is black, so it's a good thing.

[housethegrate]

I'll state the obvious and say, fresh fucking teaser! I just made a thread on theshizz.

[SnappleMan]

Thank you, house! I will be sure to buy you a drink to show my gratitude for your incredible song and your pimpage of the project!

[Speedy]

DOOMSDAY!!! Damn, that's awsome! I'm liking the teaser site, I can't wait for it all!

[kurokikaze01]

Long time lurker, first time poster. Just wanted to say great job on the album/teaser site. That Doomsday track is awesome. Looking forward to the rest of the tracks. ;D

[CleverConveyence]

All I have to say is, "Secks."

[Kal aMari]

All I have to say is, "Secks."

[Red Shadow]

Any projected release date?

[Upthorn]

Any projected release date?

I'm sure the release date is still "when it's finished."

Perhaps a better question would be,
What still has to be done before it can be released?

[Hadyn]

I personally have to do stuff with the final release site, but I'm very busy right now and probably won't get onto it for another week or two. We also need to collect track bio's from each artist, find more mirrors if possible, and get some album cover art. There's probably more than just that, but yeah. I'd say there could very roughly be about a month worth of work.

On the bright side, new tracks will be added to the teaser site soon-ish... probably over the weekend ^^

[FlameStream]

About the album over art, fan submissions are allowed right? Depending on my mood, I might craft something for this special project in time =P

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

The website is now accessible via its brand new URL : http://www.projectchaos.info/.

Sorry, .com, .net & others were already registered.

This will be the final URL, home page will change uppon release.

Enjoy.

[jmr]

Will this project get a '.ocremix.org' address? Like, say, sonic2.ocremix.org (Hedgehog Heaven)?

And as for the torrent, will it be on OCR's tracker, or elsewhere?

[CleverConveyence]

I personally have to do stuff with the final release site, but I'm very busy right now and probably won't get onto it for another week or two. We also need to collect track bio's from each artist, find more mirrors if possible, and get some album cover art. There's probably more than just that, but yeah. I'd say there could very roughly be about a month worth of work.

On the bright side, new tracks will be added to the teaser site soon-ish... probably over the weekend ^^
More mirrors, huh?

Maybe I should ask the owner of the site I moderate at. Maybe we can help. Can't make any promises, but...

[Spoom]

/me rocks out to the third background track :D

[Ichitootah]

Nice site.

[Hadyn]

About the album over art, fan submissions are allowed right? Depending on my mood, I might craft something for this special project in time =P

Anyone's free to make their own art and if we like it we'll host it, otherwise you can just post it here :)

[JTD121]

Hey all,

I was wondering, is this going to be an online-only release? Or are you going to do what OneUp Studios did and release it on a mastered CD set and all that good stuff?

We should have like, a special account, PayPal or otherwise, to do stuff like this. People donate, and then the guys running the show can use it to pay for mastering the CDs, getting the album art and all that good stuff, and then sell it to us OCers. I certainly wouldn't mind donating a bit here and there, and then buying the final product.

But great work on the site and the tracks that are there! Can't wait!

-Josh

[jmr]

err, no.
at least I think not.

[Nineko]

why would you need that anyway?
just download all the tracks, buy 2 CDs, burn them.

[SnappleMan]

The album is actually intended for an MP3 release only.

There are two parts to it. the main soundtrack (which is bigger than one CD) and the special soundtrack. So if you want to burn it properly, you'll need 3 CDs.

[Nineko]

3 CDs??? :(

isn't a 90 minutes CD enough? maybe with a good overburn?

[Subz1987]

Hey all,

I was wondering, is this going to be an online-only release? Or are you going to do what OneUp Studios did and release it on a mastered CD set and all that good stuff?

We should have like, a special account, PayPal or otherwise, to do stuff like this. People donate, and then the guys running the show can use it to pay for mastering the CDs, getting the album art and all that good stuff, and then sell it to us OCers. I certainly wouldn't mind donating a bit here and there, and then buying the final product.

But great work on the site and the tracks that are there! Can't wait!

-Josh

You can't.

All the songs are copyright to Sega, and you cannot sell remixed versions of these songs without permission from Sega. OneUpStudios had permission from Sega to sell the songs they remixed. I'm guessing that OCR gets away with this because all the songs are given away without profit.

[jmr]

The album is actually intended for an MP3 release only.

There are two parts to it. the main soundtrack (which is bigger than one CD) and the special soundtrack. So if you want to burn it properly, you'll need 3 CDs.
WHAT? NO LOSSLESS RELEASE?!?

Also: I'd rather have the boss themes on Disc 2 instead of a 3 disc set with loads of empty space. Maybe you could re-arrange the tracks?

I guess none of that matters to those who use MP3 players...

[Nineko]

WHAT? NO LOSSLESS RELEASE?!?you don't need that.

I'd rather have the boss themes on Disc 2 instead of a 3 disc set with loads of empty space. Maybe you could re-arrange the tracks?maybe you can burn CDs REARRANGING THE TRACKS AS YOU WISH
you can even put Britney Spears between Hydrocity and Marble Garden if you want. it's not like that you download an 80 minutes long mp3. come on.

[SnappleMan]

This is OCR, there's no benefit to a loss-less release. A high VBR mp3 is as good as it gets.


And yeah, a 90minute CD should be enough. All I've ever used are the standard 70 minute ones, so yeah, I didnt even know those existed.

[jmr]

you don't need that.True, but I want it. Especially since the remixers (or at least I did, for both my track and Hetcenus' Ivory Gadget) sent in full-quality wave files.
If there's going to be no lossless release (wave, flac, shn, ape, or otherwise), at least the mp3s will be encoded at a decent bitrate (http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2483761#2483761).

maybe you can burn CDs REARRANGING THE TRACKS AS YOU WISHI know I could do that. But if there's going to be printable artwork... it's not as easy to re-arrange the tracklisting.

Meh, I'm just nitpicking. In the end, it doesn't really matter how it's released... just that it is. Soon.

[Vilecat]

Oh stop whining guys. If you want it on CD so badly instead, burn it as a mp3/file CD instead of audio. Problem solved, you'll have all the tracks on a single CD :) And if you don't have any way of listening to a mp3 CD and only audio, well... sucks to be you!

Geez, what's with people nowadays, being lazy and not using their common sense...


For the album art cover, has anything remotely specific been requested? Style, mood, required elements, etc.?
As for the tracklisting, it doesn't have to appear on the backcover, if there's more than a front side made.

[CleverConveyence]

Well, talked to the top admin Thrawn, he says it sounds like a good idea.

So, how about it? Would you guys care to have the album mirrored courtesy of DigitalPandemic? The server is very powerful...

thrawn147@gmail.com is his email. Talk to him, he'll hook you up. We have two servers. One is in California, that has a terabyte of monthly transfer. We also have one in the UK, which is unlimited. :)

[housethegrate]

you can even put Britney Spears between Hydrocity and Marble Garden if you want. it's not like that you download an 80 minutes long mp3. come on.

I would be honored to have my track alongside Britney.

[SnappleMan]

She's no longer jailbait, Alex. Why would you still be interested in her? ;)

[Internecivus Raptus]

Plus, she's as ugly as fuck. ;)

[Crabsmasher]

I'm digging the site. Nick Work! :nicework:

[Upthorn]

Nick Work! :nicework:

How do you even make that typo?

[Antipode]

When this project was introduced way back in March of '05, I was ambitious and I was just learning how to do this type of thing. I finished and submitted something that really was pretty bad (well, it was the first song I'd ever made), and I'm really quite grateful that someone better than myself now has the track I had done then.

Now, to put it simply, I know what I'm doing - I've done many originals and I may attempt another remix at some point - maybe an OCR submission. But really it was this project that got me going and it helped me to learn a lot about the process. At any rate, I think it's great that this project has finally, finally been finished and will be released soon - and I want to extend a hearty congratulations to all the remixers in the album for providing what may look to be the best project yet.

P.S. - Excellent site - very slick and professional.

[Claado Shou]

Damn. CS was just about to be the most-torrented project yet in about 2 more weeks, and now I have this sucker to contend with. Oh, fudgesickle.

J/K you guys. I hope this thing really, really takes off. Cause, you know, it's all for OCR, right?

Seriously, though, don't try and trump CS. You'll regret it. :evil: :roll:

~.C.S.~

[Moguta]

This is OCR, there's no benefit to a loss-less release. A high VBR mp3 is as good as it gets.
Such as using LAME 3.97b2 (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME_Compiles) with the high-quality -V 1 --vbr-new setting? Or something similar (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=LAME#VBR_.28Variable_bitrate.29_se ttings)?
I'm always dissapointed when I see a project releasing ~128Kbps MP3s and no lossless counterparts so I can encode them at a better setting. So it's nice to see you're thinking about the sound quality!

Oh, and the website rocks. Hope the project turns out to be just as rad. ^_^

[SnappleMan]

A bit of an update. I've been on vacation for the past few days. Most of my time has been spent trying to get some kind of setup going on this slow ass PC.

As soon as I configure a decent workspace and figure out what I'll be able to actually use, I'll start putting the finishing touches on the project and we'll be able to launch.

[Kanjika]

A bit of an update. I've been on vacation for the past few days. Most of my time has been spent trying to get some kind of setup going on this slow ass PC.

As soon as I configure a decent workspace and figure out what I'll be able to actually use, I'll start putting the finishing touches on the project and we'll be able to launch.

Hell yes.

Man, even I am excited about the release. Hurry up snapple lol. :D

[Internecivus Raptus]

This is going to be fucking awesome. :)

[SnappleMan]

Boy, will you guys be dissapointed when you finally do hear it...

[Kanjika]

Boy, will you guys be dissapointed when you finally do hear it...

LOL. I hope that's not true, cause it would suck...i just think it's cool that it's finally done after so long. It seemed like it would never get released.

[Nineko]

It seemed like it would never get released.<_<


>_>


it's not released yet, so wait!!! :P

[Kanjika]

It seemed like it would never get released.<_<


>_>


it's not released yet, so wait!!! :P

You have a point.

Will the project die in these few days and be lost forever?

OH NOES! :o

[Mr. Fox]

I dunno why everybody is so excited about this... it sucks anyways.

especially that last track on the first album, man that guy should be arested...

[FlameStream]

I dunno why everybody is so excited about this... it sucks anyways.

especially that last track on the first album, man that guy should be arested...

You're too modest~ XP

[Holy Warrior Azar]

This will still be finished quicker than Hedgehog Heaven was, so I guess that's a plus.

[GaMeBoX]

I usually hate my own remixes for a couple of months after they are done.. after that ill be able to listen to them and actually judge them for what they are.. luckily for this project, that period has already passed, so ill be able to enyoy my own remixes to! thats a plus.. hehe Its gonna be really interesting to hear the other remixes, i have barely heard anything from the project...

[Vilecat]

You hate the remixes you do during the first few months of its "life"? How does that work? Poor unwanted babies...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Now that I think about it guys.... we did a really poor job job on this project :'(

[GaMeBoX]

You hate the remixes you do during the first few months of its "life"? How does that work? Poor unwanted babies...

well, its because i listen to them to death while working on them... so i get sick of them... and its hard to not hear the things that didnt get as good as i wanted.. but after a while you learn to accept it as a finished piece of art...

[Nineko]

I just had an idea about the release...
to save bandwidth during the first rush days, why don't we upload the project on rapidshare? it can stay there for a month, and then it can be deleted.
this will help to save bandwidth from the other mirrors.

[Black Mage]

I just had an idea about the release...
to save bandwidth during the first rush days, why don't we upload the project on rapidshare? it can stay there for a month, and then it can be deleted.
this will help to save bandwidth from the other mirrors.

Could also just torrent. Easier than radipshare (probably faster, too, if my past rapidshare experience is correct), IMO.

[-RK-]

I just had an idea about the release...
to save bandwidth during the first rush days, why don't we upload the project on rapidshare? it can stay there for a month, and then it can be deleted.
this will help to save bandwidth from the other mirrors.

Could also just torrent. Easier than radipshare (probably faster, too, if my past rapidshare experience is correct), IMO.

Noble Idea, but I honestly think that rapidshare is shit. If we WERE to go the route of free hosting, file front or something along those lines would probably be better.

[Yellow 13]

I just had an idea about the release...
to save bandwidth during the first rush days, why don't we upload the project on rapidshare? it can stay there for a month, and then it can be deleted.
this will help to save bandwidth from the other mirrors.

Could also just torrent. Easier than radipshare (probably faster, too, if my past rapidshare experience is correct), IMO.

Noble Idea, but I honestly think that rapidshare is shit. If we WERE to go the route of free hosting, file front or something along those lines would probably be better.

There's also FileWire.com. Just putting my two cents in.

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

I just had an idea about the release...
to save bandwidth during the first rush days, why don't we upload the project on rapidshare? it can stay there for a month, and then it can be deleted.
this will help to save bandwidth from the other mirrors.

I have unlimited bandwidth on 3 mirrors... I've already released a video that generated more than 60 GB of bandwidth in less than 15 days. Besides, one of them will also act as a bittorrent seed...
The project's teaser site generated less traffic that I had originally planned, so I think we can handle it without free hosting websites.
My main mirror is a dedicated server, with a dedicated pipe at 100 Mbits... which means it can deliver up to 1 TB of data per day.
SnappleMan told me there was 4 mirrors, not counting the two more I set up in case the website would be down.

I seriously doubt bandwidth will be an issue.

Anyway, you can always test my bandwidth here (http://dediboite.poutred.net/~blue/) : tell me what speed you get, what speed you usually get on other mirrors, but so far I've been getting around 9 MB/s to various servers around the world.

[Nineko]

hey, I was just having an idea to save some bandwidth in the hot days...
the mirror I'm going to set up has unlimited bandwidth too, but still, I think a temporary release on rapidshare can be a good thing during the first month.

[Upthorn]

hey, I was just having an idea to save some bandwidth in the hot days...
This is exactly what bittorrent was designed to do.

[Fox_Starwing]

Wow, i'm a long tome user of OCR...and this is my first post. This project is the one I've been waiting for, I've had thoughts as I listen to S&K music like, "now you know what would rule, if snappleman or braincells, or maybe sir nuts remixed this." the foremost one in my mind is the boss two theme. Then I see that I get BOTH snappleman and braincells in the same song. I literally hollered at the top of my lungs, "OH YEAHHH!" when I saw this. So, can't wait for the release and keep up the good work!



Veni, Vedi, Vastum.
I came, I saw, I shot everyone in sight

[jontilton]

hey, I was just having an idea to save some bandwidth in the hot days...
This is exactly what bittorrent was designed to do.

i use bittorrent and i agree that it's a great way to save bandwidth, but some people dont like using it and/or aren't computer savvy enough to figure it out so i think using something like sendspace or rapidshare is a great idea

[KyleJCrb]

hey, I was just having an idea to save some bandwidth in the hot days...
This is exactly what bittorrent was designed to do.

i use bittorrent and i agree that it's a great way to save bandwidth, but some people dont like using it and/or aren't computer savvy enough to figure it out so i think using something like sendspace or rapidshare is a great idea

These guys make a good point, although I think that the unlimited servers could handle the traffic. It definitely wouldn't hurt to make the project available on some filesharing sites, though.

[SnappleMan]

I don't see why we can't make a torrent for this. All we need is a couple dedicated seeders, someone to make the torrent, and the internet.

[Red Shadow]

I would be all too willing to seed.

I leave my PC on all the time anyhow.

[hobo]

I want to say I did something for this project, so I'll seed too.

[jmr]

I can probably set up a bittorrent client on one of the computers at work to seed as well. It's left on all day, and no one's there from 4:30 in the afternoon to 9 the next morning. And even when there are others using the internet, it's at most 4 people.
I *LOVE* having no supervisor at work!

[JackR]

I'd be more than happy to seed this project while I'm sleeping/at work. I've only got 30KB/s upstream, but at least it's something.

[CleverConveyence]

Once again, if you'd like access to a server with unlimited bandwidth, email thrawn147@gmail.com . He's already said he'd be willing to help.

[supremespleen]

I'll seed.
Maybe give seeders access to the torrent early? That way, some people will be seeding when the project is released.

[PlastikBag]

I've got about 100 KB/sec up, and I'd be happy to seed this project. I'd be able to seed all day long.

[Hadyn]

All offers sounds good, but I don't know anything about torrents/how to make them/whatever. Also, I don't actualy have the project files - the songs, etc.

I'm going to leave it up to Snapps and blue to distribute that stuff to any hosts or seeders, if that's alright with them. There's just not heaps I can do in that respect.

[Nineko]

I suggested a non-torrent based solution because there are several people who can't (or doesn't want) to use torrents. I can't, for example.

I still think a Rapidshare (or whatever) free mirror will help a lot in the first days.
Yes, "unlimited bandwidth" are good words, but I don't know how the servers will react when hundreds of people will try to download songs at 200kB/sec, or even more.

I'm not worried about my server, of course. I just want that people can get an adequate download speed even in the first rush that will be obvioulsy a bottleneck.

but again, just my 0.02€

[hobo]

But if there's no torrent solution, then that'll mean that all the people who normally use torrents will be adding to the 'bottleneck'.

[Nineko]

of course, I never said that I don't want torrents.

[Spoom]

A direct download solution is good too but IMHO Rapidshare is kinda annoying to use... a download "wait" timer and they block you for ~1 hour if you download more than one large file at a time. If you could find a less annoying solution it would be much appreciated.

...Course, I'm likely going to be using the torrents anyway, so feel free to ignore this opinion. ;)

[Kanjika]

Well, I hope there's at least one good server, so I don't have to use torrents (which i can't). Thats is because I get wireless internet from my dad who thinks he has to have like 5 virus programs, 2 software firewalls, and the firewall in the modem turned on to be safe from "computer viruses". I've disabled the firewall many times, but now he put a password on rhe settings (working on getting around that). Right now no BT for me.

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

I do also find Rapidshare & alikes really annoying because of the timers, ads, & stuffs.
It's not something personnal, Nineko ;), I'll live even without the world cup :lol:

What there will be at launch time:
- at least 4 HTTP direct-download mirrors (if not 5-6). The project's website currently handles up to 5 links for each song. Clicking a link and instantly downloading the tracks is far less annoying than having to click 2-3 buttons, suffer from 4 more pop-ups and timers and finally downloading.
- a dedicated 100 Mbits BT seeder. Again, this is a fully managed machine, I have full access on it, it is monitored by 4 people including me, no personnal hosting as ISP may provide. I will make the .torrents, but can someone tell me who's in charge of OCR's tracker ? DJP hasn't replied my PMs yet.
- I have already set up 2 additional HTTP mirrors, in case of a (very unlikely) sudden failure of our servers.
- I came up with a transparent redirection script that can randomly select between mirrors. This would cause users to be redirected to a mirror website, having different links, etc.
- The main page, which currently hosts the teaser website (www.projectchaos.info) is hosted on another dedicated machine. There will be NO song hosted on this machine, just the websites.

To sum everything up, we DO have :
- 3 dedicated servers, 1 for the websites only (and I really mean professional hosting dedicated servers)
- 4 HTTP mirrors

3 days ago we released 2 50 MB videos on a pretty crowded website and we barely hit 3 Mbits/s average, 1% CPU, which litteraly begs for more load.
Plus, I will have some friends seeding the project uppon release.
As of yesterday, the teaser website got 15824 hits (each file, image, page is counted as one hit), and has generated almost 2 GB of bandwidth (~140 MB per day) which is far less than I expected.

I honestly think we won't have to bother with such annoying sites as Rapidshare, Megaupload, etc. as we already have far more ressources than is needed.

Anyway, trust me, during the first hours after the release I will be constantly monitoring my mirrors, if something looks like it's going bad, I will find backup solutions.

[PlastikBag]

I have to agree that rapidshare is just a bad idea. It would take away from the professionalism of this project. With a site as nice as you've constructed (if the teaser site is only a hint of what's to come), it would suck to link to a site infested with pop-ups, waiting in long lines, and putting in a code for average speeds.

[Nineko]

to be honest, I think that you are right.
I actually hate rapidshare. I thought it could be useful, but it seems that the servers will be powerful enough.

Now... where is the project?




<_<




>_>

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

Update! You may want to check http://www.projectchaos.info

And some people who were involved at the beginning of Project Chaos may also want to check their PM / mails :lol:

More updates in the next few days.

[KyleJCrb]

- a dedicated 100 Mbits BT seeder. Again, this is a fully managed machine, I have full access on it, it is monitored by 4 people including me, no personnal hosting as ISP may provide. I will make the .torrents, but can someone tell me who's in charge of OCR's tracker ? DJP hasn't replied my PMs yet.

DJP generally doesn't even bother with PMs, especially with the forums migration to new software happening soonish. You're much better off emailing him at djpretzel@ocremix.org.

[Xenon Odyssey]

Holy shit.

<3 GaMeBoX

Icecap 4 Life indeed.

OMG MORE LAVA REEF!

edit: page 98 already? dang...

[The Mutericator]

Something's wrong with the track changes on the teaser site - track 2 keeps playing when I move forward to track 3 (clicking "mute" and "play" a couple of times seems to solve the problem).

[PlastikBag]

I hope you plan on finishing those tracks Gamebox, because both of them are pretty cool.

[Hadyn]

It may have something to do with the speed of your internet, try clicking it just once and waiting, see what happens. Otherwise, I have no clue what's wrong...

[Coniferous]

site == dead

/sadface

[SnappleMan]

The site's fine. Have you made sure you're connected to the internet?

[KyleJCrb]

The site's fine. Have you made sure you're connected to the internet?

Did you press the power button on your computer?

[Coniferous]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/coniferous/cantping.jpg

Probably something on my end.. whats the ip address? Just to make sure its not a dns issue.

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

Try one of these mirrors for the flash website :
http://dediboite.poutred.net/~blue/s3k/flash/ (dedicated server)
Direct address: http://88.191.22.142/~blue/s3k/flash/

http://blueberrykiwi.free.fr/s3k/ (ISP hosting)
http://blueberry437.free.fr/s3k/ (ISP hosting)

It looks like your ISP is having DNS issues.
Try typing the following in a DOS console :
nslookup projectchaos.info
You should get this answer section:
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: projectchaos.info
Address: 87.98.197.40

(Don't bother accessing it via this IP, since I'm using vhosts it won't work. You may edit your hosts file though, to trick your system: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and add a proper line)

Another trick would be changing one of the DNS Server addresses in your network interface properties (TCP/IP settings) and use these ones : 4.2.2.1 / 4.2.2.2 (I've just checked: they DO have a record for the website).

Anyway, all the mirror websites are updated at the same time.
Hope this helps.

[SnappleMan]

Offtopic (but not really), I'm considering spacing the boss themes out between the songs. Like, every 4 zones get a boss theme thrown in after em. This will break up the huge chunk of boss themes at the end of the first album. Good idea?

[Nineko]

Offtopic (but not really), I'm considering spacing the boss themes out between the songs. Like, every 4 zones get a boss theme thrown in after em. This will break up the huge chunk of boss themes at the end of the first album. Good idea?I think so. Especially if you put the Sonic 3 boss between Sonic 3 tracks, and the Sonic & Knuckles boss between Sonic & Knuckles tracks. As for the miniboss, I have no idea. Somewhere in the middle, perhaps?

edit: you forgot a [/color] tag in your first post. delete this comment when you fix it.

[SnappleMan]

Well, the boss themes from both games is the same, it's the miniboss themes that are different.

[Nineko]

oh you are right, I just had confusion...
I meant, S3 miniboss -> S3 tracks; S&K miniboss -> S&K tracks.
boss theme -> somewhere.

[SnappleMan]

I'm thinking, S3 minoboss will come right after Angel Island, since that's the first place you hear it. Boss 2 will come at the end of Sonic 3 (so after Launch Base), S&K miniboss will come right after.... hmmm, Hidden Palace!

[GaMeBoX]

I hope you plan on finishing those tracks Gamebox, because both of them are pretty cool.

Thanx :) But both are pretty much abandoned (especially since icecap was made in fruity witch i have abandoned). They are pretty old (around 1 and 1/2 year), and not really comparable to the songs i got on the actual project. I will probably re-do icecap from scratch at some point, when vgmix is back up.


@snappleman >> when are we allowed to submit our remixes to OCR if we wish to do so ?

[Twilight in Zero]

The music for Launch Base was different between S3 and S3&K. If I may ask, which version will be used?

[KyleJCrb]

The music for Launch Base was different between S3 and S3&K. If I may ask, which version will be used?

Errr...No it wasn't. Are you getting Launch Base confused with Sky Sanctuary?

[Red Shadow]

SO WHEN DOES THIS RELEASE

[Xenon Odyssey]

SO WHEN DOES THIS RELEASE

WHEN IT GETZ TEH FINISHED!!

He might be confusing the music with the PC Collection music, which has different Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base music due to programming problems.

If not, then plus one! Yay!

[Internecivus Raptus]

Actually, I think the Launch Base Zone music in Sonic 3 was edited/different to that in Sonic and Knuckles/Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

[Nineko]

Actually, I think the Launch Base Zone music in Sonic 3 was edited/different to that in Sonic and Knuckles/Sonic 3 and Knuckles.NO
Xenon Odyssey is right. it's the PC mega collection, because of the Michael Jacksons issues.

[watkinzez]

it's the PC mega collection, because of the Michael Jacksons issues.

Grah misinformation. Programming problems was the reason, no?

[KyleJCrb]

it's the PC mega collection, because of the Michael Jacksons issues.

Grah misinformation. Programming problems was the reason, no?

How could it be? The songs in question have been recreated numerous times in fan-made MIDIs.

[Kanjika]

it's the PC mega collection, because of the Michael Jacksons issues.

Grah misinformation. Programming problems was the reason, no?

I think he means the whole "Micheal Jackson really made the sonic 3 music" theory. Who knows...could be true. Ever heard the Sonic CD music? A few tracks sound like his style of music. I can almost hear him singing over those....

[Liontamer]

@snappleman >> when are we allowed to submit our remixes to OCR if we wish to do so ?
For anyone it may concern, submit your tracks now if you were planning to and haven't already done so.

[Twilight in Zero]

Oh, sorry, you're right. The S3K mega collection for PC uses midi... The normal LBZ theme couldn't be handled by midi, so they made a different one instead. Sorry about that. :oops:

[Xenon Odyssey]

Oh, sorry, you're right. The S3K mega collection for PC uses midi... The normal LBZ theme couldn't be handled by midi, so they made a different one instead. Sorry about that. :oops:

It's all cool. Easy mix-up.

Those who don't know, here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JbVM-l2Oku4) is your Micheal Jackson/Sonic 3 comparison video.

YAY BEER!

[Internecivus Raptus]

What What What?

What is this Michael Jackson thing?

[kurokikaze01]

Wow and I thought I was crazy for thinking that Sonic 3's music sounded like something out of MJ...

[Coniferous]

Close, but not yet.

Thanks for the advice on the troubles i was having accessing the site.

[Kanjika]

Close, but not yet.




LOL

iwin

[Coniferous]

Damn you post mover!
/cry
/tear

[SnappleMan]

@snappleman >> when are we allowed to submit our remixes to OCR if we wish to do so ?
For anyone it may concern, submit your tracks now if you were planning to and haven't already done so.

Yeah, if anyones song so much as hits the judges panel before the project is released, I will kick them and their song off the project.

[The Joker]

A bit harsh. I'm pretty sure some people already sent in their submissions. Me not included... as i have no idea what track I'd submit.

Also, it's cool to have me & krispy's wip as a bgm in the teaser site!

[SnappleMan]

Well, under the right circumstances I can turn out a decent song in a day or two. It would be sad to lose anyone from this project, but, rules are rules.

It's harsh, yes. But most people don't know how this project was handled from the beginning. KFC and I split the tracklist and enlisted the artists that way. So half the album I pretty much had nothing to do with other than listening to demos or final versions of peoples songs. In the case of the people who I enlisted, I specifically told them the rules. If anyone asked me if they could do something with their track, chances are I'd aprove of it, but to have someone go over me and submit without asking, that's grounds for a boot in the ass.

Also, it's cool to have me & krispy's wip as a bgm in the teaser site!

Well, everyone put in so much hard work, waited so long, and produced such great tunes that we can't just forget and ignore the best of the WIPs. This way people can have alternate interpretations of their favorite songs.

Oh yeah, I added a new track to the album, check the first post.


We should all be kicking ourselves in the ass for not including that... :\

[Liontamer]

@snappleman >> when are we allowed to submit our remixes to OCR if we wish to do so ?
For anyone it may concern, submit your tracks now if you were planning to and haven't already done so.

Yeah, if anyones song so much as hits the judges panel before the project is released, I will kick them and their song off the project.
Well, since I'm gonna be involved with most of what hits the panel, nothing from the project will make it there yet. But it's better if stuff goes through the process now, so that there are tracks ready to post by the time the project is fully ready and goes live. Work it out amongst yourselves then.

[jmr]

Oh yeah, I added a new track to the album, check the first post.

We should all be kicking ourselves in the ass for not including that... :\Indeed we should.
Are you going to do both of the themes (Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles), or just one of them?

[KyleJCrb]

Oh yeah, I added a new track to the album, check the first post.

We should all be kicking ourselves in the ass for not including that... :\Indeed we should.
Are you going to do both of the themes (Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles), or just one of them?

Looks like the Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Or Sonic & Knuckles, since they were identical) version, according to the tracklist.

[SnappleMan]

Thanks Larry! :)

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

Hey people, here are some wallpapers I just made. Might ease the killing wait before release.
Also, remember to check the teaser site on a regular basis, more tracks will be added to the music player during the next few weeks.

Coming Soon & Logo alone
http://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/soon-thumb.pnghttp://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/logo-thumb.png

Sonic highlighted & Knuckles highlighted
http://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/sonic-thumb.pnghttp://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/knuckles-thumb.png

Project::Chaos & White Logo
http://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/chaos-thumb.pnghttp://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/whitelogo-thumb2.png

Download here : http://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/

Let me know if you want another resolution (up to 3333*2500 available). I can also provide the Adobe Illustrator file for the S&K logo.
Comments & suggestions appreciated, if you want more, give me some ideas.

[Nineko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlPLFzzsxLU

PROJECT CHAOS LOL
it looks like someone else used that name

[Kanjika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlPLFzzsxLU

PROJECT CHAOS LOL
it looks like someone else used that name

looks like a cool hack though

[hobo]

I can also provide the Adobe Illustrator file for the S&K logo.
Comments & suggestions appreciated, if you want more, give me some ideas.

Could I have that Illustrator file? I'm considering making some cover art, and that logo is perfect (credit would of course be give to you).

[Metal-Geo]

You seem to have misdone the blue shape in the logo. :)

Look at the bottom of Sonic's blue side.
http://www.projectchaos.info/wallpapers/soon/soon-1600.png
http://www.zonesega.com/covers/megadrive/Sonic%20&%20Knuckles%20%5BUSA%5D.jpg

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

I used that exact picture as reference material, but I did not intend to do the exact same logo, especially with bevels and edges.
There are a few glitches though, photoshop messed up with anti-aliasing on some rounded parts.
However, I like the way it is, I wouldn't have bothered re-making the logo if I wanted the exact same result. I still have the cartridge, and a scanner.

[SnappleMan]

Hahahha I just heard MP3s of the Sonic And Knuckles collection, they fucked up Carnival Night too!? hahaha

But one cool thing they did was add a kick ass arpeggio at the end of Final Boss, I think I'll go ahead and add that to my song as well!

[Kanjika]

Hahahha I just heard MP3s of the Sonic And Knuckles collection, they fucked up Carnival Night too!? hahaha

But one cool thing they did was add a kick ass arpeggio at the end of Final Boss, I think I'll go ahead and add that to my song as well!

The replaced songs sound so gay from the bits i've heard...

[SnappleMan]

Most of the changes are horrible, except for that arpeggio! Why didn't I think of it!?

[GaMeBoX]

Well, since I'm gonna be involved with most of what hits the panel, nothing from the project will make it there yet. But it's better if stuff goes through the process now, so that there are tracks ready to post by the time the project is fully ready and goes
live. Work it out amongst yourselves then.
Thanks Larry!

So, it is now approved to submit ??

[SnappleMan]

If your tracks weren't so good I'd kick you off the project, tracked down where you live and fuck your dog.

Yes, it's okay :)

[Subz1987]

Hahahha I just heard MP3s of the Sonic And Knuckles collection, they fucked up Carnival Night too!? hahaha

But one cool thing they did was add a kick ass arpeggio at the end of Final Boss, I think I'll go ahead and add that to my song as well!

Yeah, i know.

But think about this: The greatest Sonic Zone music was composed by Michael Jackson... (Ice Cap Zone)

[SnappleMan]

If I could ban you for that, I would.

[-RK-]

If I could ban you for that, I would.

Shit dude, do one better.

Fuck his dog.

[Subz1987]

If I could ban you for that, I would.

Shit dude, do one better.

Fuck his dog.

Been there, done that :wink:

BTW, the piece you forgot on the front page was Doomsday Zone, right? Did someone work on the piece before you found out or did you forget about it from the start?

[hobo]

It was the title theme.

[KyleJCrb]

Hahahha I just heard MP3s of the Sonic And Knuckles collection, they fucked up Carnival Night too!? hahaha

But one cool thing they did was add a kick ass arpeggio at the end of Final Boss, I think I'll go ahead and add that to my song as well!

Yeah, i know.

But think about this: The greatest Sonic Zone music was composed by Michael Jackson... (Ice Cap Zone)

Pssh, please. Michael Jackson doesn't compose music: He has a crew do it for him. Therefore, if anything related to Michael composed any music for Sonic 3, it was the crew that composes his songs, not Michael himself.

And besides, the best song is Hydrocity. :P

[Nineko]

Hahahha I just heard MP3s of the Sonic And Knuckles collection, they fucked up Carnival Night too!? hahaha

But one cool thing they did was add a kick ass arpeggio at the end of Final Boss, I think I'll go ahead and add that to my song as well!

Yeah, i know.

But think about this: The greatest Sonic Zone music was composed by Michael Jackson... (Ice Cap Zone)

Pssh, please. Michael Jackson doesn't compose music: He has a crew do it for him. Therefore, if anything related to Michael composed any music for Sonic 3, it was the crew that composes his songs, not Michael himself.

And besides, the best song is Hydrocity. :POMG a favorite thread!

(azure lake and the special stage)

[Coniferous]

Hydrocity act 2, by far.

[Xenon Odyssey]

Hydrocity, as Kanjika proves in the music on the teaser site.

Goddamn.

But I await in anticipation for chthonic's Special Stage. My god I nearly fell out the chair when I first read that way back when...

Fuck, I'll list them:
1. Hydrocity
2. Special Stage
3. Lava Reef
4. Ice Cap

Post deletion -1

[SnappleMan]

House's Hydrocity will destroy OCR as we know it.

[Leon K.]

Omg, so much Hydrocity love.

Hydrocity was my favorite level music of any game ever.

I listen to the stupid mp3 in my car and my friends laugh at me for it...

But wait! Whats this about Hydrocity on the teaser site??!!?

[Leon K.]

Pretty amazing :D

[SnappleMan]

We're releasing new songs on the teaser site every day, check back often!

[PlastikBag]

And besides, the best song is Hydrocity. :P

Truth. I can't wait for house's track.

Edit: Rayza's Azure Lake track was sweet.

[hobo]

Man, I remember all of this from back when the project started. I'd still have those WIPs, but I accidentally wiped my old hard drive. Good stuff though.

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

Man, I remember all of this from back when the project started. I'd still have those WIPs, but I accidentally wiped my old hard drive. Good stuff though.

Aaah, someone noticed at last ;)
Since the project started, they survived almost 3 or 4 hard drive chrashes or ipod deaths. I kept those preciousssses on my home server, and finally, they got what they deserved :)
But some WIPs are newer versions, or tracks that weren't posted at the beginning, so stay tuned :lol:

[Br26]

Seems pretty cool. I was asking a while ago if the "Theme of Knuckles' track from Sonic 3 (the scene that plays in the begining while Sonic is SuperSonic and such..

[GaMeBoX]

Seems pretty cool. I was asking a while ago if the "Theme of Knuckles' track from Sonic 3 (the scene that plays in the begining while Sonic is SuperSonic and such..

The "Theme of knuckles" (witch is more of a percussion/drum beat, than a song) is actually included in one (that i know of) song in the project, youll have to guess witch one though...

[Leon K.]

I betchu it's the miniboss from Sonic 3.

The Knuckles drum beat was just part of the miniboss theme.

[Nineko]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8420/mangia2kr4.gif

[q-pa]

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8420/mangia2kr4.gif
o_O ?
Finger-lickin' good?

Anyway, I was wondering if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.
And great justice.

Loving what I'm hearing so far. Can't wait :!:


Edit:
And besides, the best song is Hydrocity. :P

Truth. I can't wait for house's track.

Edit: Rayza's Azure Lake track was sweet.
You can tell how old the project is cause Rayza has a track in it. :P A bangin' one too!

[Coniferous]

Anyway, I was if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.

Yes. when the project is released... It does mention that you might have to unlock them somehow. I'm sure this wont be a big deal.

Hayden might want to clarify things.

[Subz1987]

Anyway, I was if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.

Yes. when the project is released... It does mention that you might have to unlock them somehow. I'm sure this wont be a big deal.

Hayden might want to clarify things.

Unlock them? How?

Collect 7 or 14 emeralds? Get all emblems? Press up, down, left, right, A and start at the title screen? :P

[Coniferous]

I'm just quoting the website.

"info on how to unlock the bonus tracks will become available when the project is officially launched"

[Xenon Odyssey]

Anyway, I was if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.

Yes. when the project is released... It does mention that you might have to unlock them somehow. I'm sure this wont be a big deal.

Hayden might want to clarify things.

Unlock them? How?

Collect 7 or 14 emeralds? Get all emblems? Press up, down, left, right, A and start at the title screen? :P

Judging that this is Sonic 3 & Knuckles, we'd have to collect the 7 Chaos Emeralds, and then the 7 Super Emeralds, along with the special Golden Emerald.

Or we could press <, <, ^, ^, >, >, while hanging on the first vine in Angel Island Act 1 to unlock the Sound Test.

[q-pa]

Anyway, I was if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.

Yes. when the project is released... It does mention that you might have to unlock them somehow. I'm sure this wont be a big deal.

Hayden might want to clarify things.

Unlock them? How?

Collect 7 or 14 emeralds? Get all emblems? Press up, down, left, right, A and start at the title screen? :P

Judging that this is Sonic 3 & Knuckles, we'd have to collect the 7 Chaos Emeralds, and then the 7 Super Emeralds, along with the special Golden Emerald.

Or we could press <, <, ^, ^, >, >, while hanging on the first vine in Angel Island Act 1 to unlock the Sound Test.
If it's like the Sonic 3 standalone version, UUDDUUUU as Sonic flies in on the title screen, I think I'm going to shoot someone. :evil:
Anyone who's ever tried it will know what I'm talking about...

[Subz1987]

Anyway, I was if the music on the teaser site will ever be released in MP3 form for mass consumption.

Yes. when the project is released... It does mention that you might have to unlock them somehow. I'm sure this wont be a big deal.

Hayden might want to clarify things.

Unlock them? How?

Collect 7 or 14 emeralds? Get all emblems? Press up, down, left, right, A and start at the title screen? :P

Judging that this is Sonic 3 & Knuckles, we'd have to collect the 7 Chaos Emeralds, and then the 7 Super Emeralds, along with the special Golden Emerald.

Or we could press <, <, ^, ^, >, >, while hanging on the first vine in Angel Island Act 1 to unlock the Sound Test.
If it's like the Sonic 3 standalone version, UUDDUUUU as Sonic flies in on the title screen, I think I'm going to shoot someone. :evil:
Anyone who's ever tried it will know what I'm talking about...

I've tried that cheat around 200 times...

And I only got it to work TWICE

[Coniferous]

/agreed

Its painful. Overly painful. its amazing how flawlessly i can pull off UDLR A Start in sonic one, but in sonic three, oh man.

[SlightlyOddGuy]

See that you have to do the code using a special pattern. UP (wait), UP, DOWN (wait), DOWN, UP (wait), UP (wait), UP (wait), UP.

Since the Genesis controler can't press UP-DOWN at the same time, you will understand that you have to succeed pressing UP and one fame and DOWN at the next frame with no interruption!
(wait) simply means you must have at least 1 frame of interruption between button presses.

Sonic 3 was made in Japan on 50 Hz PAL so I guess it's extreamly hard on NTSC 60 Hz. However, it is possible to do the code. I did this code with NTSC 60 Hz enabled in Gens. I succeed most of the times. I got the pattern from testing frames and key presses with a debugger, so this is the only way, and it works.

Original topic. (http://www.sws2b.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3055&st=0)

Anyway, glad to see this is nearly done. Loving the teaser tracks, site design is amazing, etc. :)

[Hadyn]

Maybe Hayden would like to clarify things, IF YOU SPELT HIS F*CKING NAME RIGHT.

I'm not really pissed off, I just thought I'd scare you.

Uhm, originally there was going to be a mini-game you had to complete to unlock the tracks, but I think it'll just be a straight download instead. The mingame never got further than a beta - that is to say it works, but isn't nearly polished enough for mass consumption. It was pretty cool though, I may still post the unfinished version. But yeah, bonus tracks will probably just be a zip file download, probably 128kbps.

Probably.

[SnappleMan]

I had a talk with DJPretzel a few days ago, and we've decided it be best to let OCR1500 go first. So once that's done and sunk in, we'll start the release process.

The website is done save for filling in the info and uploading the tracks to it. All mirrors will get the tracks early, once everyone is uploaded we will set up the site, take off the protection and let it loose on the world.

[hobo]

Oh damnit, I'm on holiday for two weeks starting monday. I assume the project will be out then?

[BLueBeRRyKiWi]

Speaking of mirrors, I e-mailed that guy, Thrawn, but haven't got any reply yet.

Anyone who's offering hosting, please contact me either by email, PM or MSN (pierrecap@yahoo.fr), we'll plan things up together.

It would be better if you had SSH access on the machine, or could provide an FTP account, as transfers would be done in no time. And I've been told the project's size would be around 170 MB, be prepared for a bit more (especially If you were to mirror the bonus tracks, as they currently use 30 MB).

I can't also estimate how much bandwidth it will generate, currently the teaser site hit 4.5 GB in 17 days, 27000 hits, and yesterday was the highest peak with 1 GB of transfer, getting higher and higher every day.

EDIT: We can also have partial mirrors, as links for each song are independent on the website. Even if I don't know the final size, people with only 150 MB should be able to host ther the main soundtrack or the special themes disc.

[Coniferous]

Whoopsy, my bad. Mini game sounds neat though, too bad it didn't pan out.

[hobo]

It would be cool to have some kind of reference to the old cheats from S3&K though.

[housethegrate]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

[Coniferous]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

Well, its not really too late. It's an amazing game.

You could always use an emulator... not that i encourage piracy, but the game is next to impossible to find these days.

Its really something, when you compare it to the rest of the games that were released on the sega it blows them out of the water, better graphics, game play and sound. They did a good job.

[Subz1987]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

If you have a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox, get Sonic Mega Collection and play Sonic 3 and Knuckles

[Coniferous]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

If you have a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox, get Sonic Mega Collection and play Sonic 3 and Knuckles Didnt they rape the music in those ones though? Sonic would never really seem the same to me without the music.

But yeah, bonus tracks will probably just be a zip file download, probably 128kbps.
Hm. I dunno, do you think it would be worth the bandwidth to zip the files? i can see people selectively choosing which ones to download, seeing as they can hear them in the background anyways. Even a directory listing seems better then forcing every song on people.

its not really that big of a deal... just a thought.

[Kanjika]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

If you have a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox, get Sonic Mega Collection and play Sonic 3 and Knuckles Didnt they rape the music in those ones though? Sonic would never really seem the same to me without the music.

Emulator.

[Dark Phazon]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

If you have a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox, get Sonic Mega Collection and play Sonic 3 and Knuckles Didnt they rape the music in those ones though? Sonic would never really seem the same to me without the music.

No. Sonic & Knuckles collection (which is a PC compilation of Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles) was the one that had the messed up music.

Mega Collection has the exact games/music/everything as they were on the Genesis.

[Coniferous]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.

If you have a Gamecube, PS2 or Xbox, get Sonic Mega Collection and play Sonic 3 and Knuckles Didnt they rape the music in those ones though? Sonic would never really seem the same to me without the music.

Emulator. Yeah, i personally think thats the best way to get the "sonic experience" if you will..

EDIT: Oh thank god, that crap is awful. You have two choices then housethegrate.

[CleverConveyence]

Speaking of mirrors, I e-mailed that guy, Thrawn, but haven't got any reply yet.

Anyone who's offering hosting, please contact me either by email, PM or MSN (pierrecap@yahoo.fr), we'll plan things up together.

It would be better if you had SSH access on the machine, or could provide an FTP account, as transfers would be done in no time. And I've been told the project's size would be around 170 MB, be prepared for a bit more (especially If you were to mirror the bonus tracks, as they currently use 30 MB).

I can't also estimate how much bandwidth it will generate, currently the teaser site hit 4.5 GB in 17 days, 27000 hits, and yesterday was the highest peak with 1 GB of transfer, getting higher and higher every day.

EDIT: We can also have partial mirrors, as links for each song are independent on the website. Even if I don't know the final size, people with only 150 MB should be able to host ther the main soundtrack or the special themes disc.

I'll tell Thrawn to check his email. He's been sort of busy lately (hasn't been on very much), so he probably hasn't looked.

[Zutnunzor]

Its awesome to hear some of the older tracks again!!
I managed to save a good amount of files back when this project first started, I can't wait to hear the finished project, prob be the biggest OCR project to date.

[q-pa]

Maybe Hayden would like to clarify things, IF YOU SPELT HIS F*CKING NAME RIGHT.

I'm not really pissed off, I just thought I'd scare you.

Uhm, originally there was going to be a mini-game you had to complete to unlock the tracks, but I think it'll just be a straight download instead. The mingame never got further than a beta - that is to say it works, but isn't nearly polished enough for mass consumption. It was pretty cool though, I may still post the unfinished version. But yeah, bonus tracks will probably just be a zip file download, probably 128kbps.

Probably.
I would love to see what you've come up with for the mini-game. I might even be willing to wait for it...
Else, imitating S3&K's cheats/debug mode would be cool.
--ooh! Or entering a code relating to the release date! (Yeah, that's never been done before! :wink: )


Might I also ask for higher bitrate encoding; like 160 or 192? Since this isn't OCR, you know that we can have higher filesizes than 6MB.

[Rexy]

I wonder if I'm the only one on this project who has never played the game. Blasphemy, I know. But I never owned any Sega systems.
It can happen. Like, I did some stuff on the Cave Story project and I have no intention of actually playing the game because of unreliable computer hardware.

Still, you have some good choices on playing the games through and through. Whether it be emulation or Mega Collection (presumably on your XBox?) I hope it goes down with you ;)

[q-pa]

Still, you have some good choices on playing the games through and through. Whether it be emulation or Mega Collection (presumably on your XBox?) I hope it goes down on you ;)
Fixed. :wink:

But whatever you do, don't play S&K Mega Collection for the PC (if you even can still). That was my 1st exposure to the game and it left a real bad aftertaste that lasted for years.



And oh yeah: Screw you DJP for delaying this project even more! :twisted:

Edit:
See that you have to do the code using a special pattern. UP (wait), UP, DOWN (wait), DOWN, UP (wait), UP (wait), UP (wait), UP.

Since the Genesis controler can't press UP-DOWN at the same time, you will understand that you have to succeed pressing UP and one fame and DOWN at the next frame with no interruption!
(wait) simply means you must have at least 1 frame of interruption between button presses.

Sonic 3 was made in Japan on 50 Hz PAL so I guess it's extreamly hard on NTSC 60 Hz. However, it is possible to do the code. I did this code with NTSC 60 Hz enabled in Gens. I succeed most of the times. I got the pattern from testing frames and key presses with a debugger, so this is the only way, and it works.

Original topic. (http://www.sws2b.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3055&st=0)

Sorry to keep off-topic, but even with my emulator slowed down to 25%, I can't do it.
For the love of God, can't anyone post a savestate?

[Internecivus Raptus]

Just get Gens, it has a built in Game Genie. Type in the codes, and you can have Super Sonic in Angel Island. ^_^

[Rexy]

q-pa, stop cleaning up my posts! :P

But still, while emulation is good, it's no good without the actual gaming setup, rather than sitting in front of a computer with a joystick. But that's probably me forcing my opinions on you O.o