Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Project Chaos - History

[Mr. Fox]

Update!

Ok, I changed the whole intro and added a decent ending. Sorry if took a very long time! Link on the sig, feedback aprecciated!!!
:D

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

ANYONE WHO ISN'T IN QUALITY CONTROL NEED TO POST THEIR WIPS!!!!!!

[GSlicer]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/generalslicermusic.htm

[SnappleMan]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/generalslicermusic.htm

I recommend you turn down the volume on every track. About -6db on each. This should bring out the dynamics that aren't really there.

I also recommend you create a melody for this. Just a random rhythmic beat looping over and over does nothing musical unless it has a melody to back.

Change up that boring bassline. Add some more notes man. That's just 4 notes played over and over. Arpeggiate some chords in this bitch.

The drums need variance. It's very repetitive and not very creative. I mean, if you're gonna repeat something over and over, make it good.

The song is too repetitive overall. I recommend you not concentrate on adding length, but adding a melody, and structure.

The main piece of advice that I can give you, is to make something musical. This just sounds like a boring techno track that some stoned kids would dance to for 15 hours straight. You need to think about creating something that people want to listen to, something melodic and musical.

[The Joker]

Hmmm... I'll post my almost finished Hidden Palace mix... & my WIP of Doomsday within the next week. Or should I say I'll try, I got a lot of things going on, so, no promises.

[Hadyn]

ANYONE WHO ISN'T IN QUALITY CONTROL NEED TO POST THEIR WIPS!!!!!!

You have mine, but it's not there...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

This just sounds like a boring techno track that some stoned kids would dance to for 15 hours straight.

:lol:

well Hadyn, repost it.

[Hadyn]

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/heads%20up%20for%20tails%203.mp3

[GaMeBoX]

My synth died on me the other day, been used to death basicly.. Im now fresh out of synths since i just sold my triton. Witch means, basilcy, musicproduction is on halt. Working on getting a hold of a new one as soon as possible. I have no intention of dropping out! Later//steve

[Sir_NutS]

my wips have been released but aren't in the quality control thingo.
and..
This just sounds like a boring techno track that some stoned kids would dance to for 15 hours straight.

:lol:

OMG I MEAK TEH BOOM HISS!

[Hetcenus]

Mind, in terms of general arrangement, I felt that much of the compositional foundations have done well to add a more reflective side to the Chrome Gadget status (which in turn got more frantic as time managed to go on). I can still sense the theme there - a very thoughtful variation on the source by that aspect. It may be argued that it seemed to go against the frantic nature of the racing stage, however given the basic landscapes of the level itself I can easily imagine one of those reflective moments while residing within that zone itself. :)

But I have to agree with Sithlord that the quality seemed to be rather ridden with noise. I think the problem with that might have been that you ended up recording the track, then normalising it to its peak straight afterwards - big mistake, and that's what I learnt with my initial variation on Tomorrow's Wake. I suggest that before recording you test the mic input - make sure that the input levels are as high as they can go without clipping or peaking, and once that's done you're ready to be able to record.

I hope that helps you. If not, let me know.



Well, thank you very much. :D Actually I wasn't thinking of any of your comment when I was composing, I was just doing it as to make it the most different of the original and similar to a piano composition possible without losing its basic form. :oops:

I really would like to comment on your mixes (you all) too, but I'm too inexperient, probably I'd say a lot of things but nobody would agree... :cry:

[Sora]

Staff Roll:
http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3913

[Nineko]

Staff Roll:
http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3913the song is very nice, I already told you this. I like the style very much.
but PLEASE fix the EQ. maybe ask someone to help you but you can't leave it in the way it is now.

[Sora]

okeeee. I'll ask: "anyone wanna help me fix my EQ?"

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

NO.


What program do you use, I might can help

[nesper]

competition menu:

http://nespah.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/flippintwankieswip.mp3

sky sanctuary:

http://nespah.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/sky_sanctuary_wip.mp3

[Eon_Blue]

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/cover.jpg

.....

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

There are two things that surprised me about that last post. A.Eon made it and it wasn't negative and B. The cover was cool.

[UltimateSonicFan]

I never knew I included a sax into my song.... anyone want to take a listen and see if the bitrate boogeyman added it?

[SnappleMan]

A bit of news for people.

I've been actually working on this project for a little while now. Trying to get things straightened out, since I didn't think KFC was doing a good job.

I've gotten some people to work on the project, zyko has agreed to do a track with me, also, housethegrate, who you all should know from VGmix, has agreed to take a track or two (big thank you to him). I got a couple more maybes, but don't wanna disclose their identities till it's a yes. I'll also be doing a couple tracks for it.

Per KFCs request, I've kinda assumed the role of a co director of the project for a while. I really like these two games, and the music is some of my favorite game stuff around. So I wanna make sure this thing goes off well, and we get some real good quality stuff out of it.

I strongly suggest people start helping one another out. Try to do the best that you possibly can. We've got people from both extremes of the spectrum working on this, the seasoned veterans won't really need much help (and most likely wont be around much for discussion) but I urge all the moderately experianced people to help the new guys produce high quality stuff.

Also, if you have a few arrangements under your belt, and are comfortable with the process of creating music, please consider taking on more than one song. Getting multiple versions will ensure that we have a higher level of quality on the finished product. And, if you see someone doing the same track as you, talk to them and see about collaborating. Two minds usually work better together than opposed.

[The Joker]

Holy crap... either... thats a good one! Or... M. Night Shyamalan wrote the story of Project Chaos.

[Sir_NutS]

I gots another rough wip.

ftp://66.221.70.133/FS/Sir_NutS-The_Unseen_Wonders.mp3
piano players are messy yes, hopefully by collab partner will take them and make them sound more logic. anyways, you get the idea.

[Hadyn]

Holy crap... either... thats a good one! Or... M. Night Shyamalan wrote the story of Project Chaos.

Not a good one, a good thing. I've talked to Snapple, he really knows what he's doing.

It's all good.

[Sora]

NO.


What program do you use, I might can help
FL4 duh. I told you that already. And I was gonna just ask you anyway.

[Nineko]

sky sanctuary:

http://nespah.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/sky_sanctuary_wip.mp3the second lead here is wrong because it plays always the same notes while it's supposed to change.
here, I made a pdf for you with the correct version (of course, you must transpose it to your key): http://digilander.iol.it/sambevolley/skysanctuary.pdf
this should be right because it's a rip/conversion/transcription/etc of the original Gym.

however, this is only a technical issue. I'm not saying I like or I don't like your song (as style/interpretation...). The voting stage isn't begun yet. :wink:

[Rayza]

So which tracks is Snappleman working on? I don't see any clues on the first page..

[nesper]

the second lead here is wrong because it plays always the same notes while it's supposed to change.
here, I made a pdf for you with the correct version (of course, you must transpose it to your key

hey thnx fo tha help but i can't read sheet music. i also don't really know whatcha talkin bout when you say second lead. you mean when tha lead plays tha second part?

[SnappleMan]

So which tracks is Snappleman working on? I don't see any clues on the first page..

Doomsday, Last Boss, and maybe a couple more.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Big up to my man Snap for real. It was some stuff that could be improved, and with his help, it will make things alot better. I was not doing the job that I COULD have been doing, but thanks to him, I'm going to be doing WAY better. Go Snapple! Funny I'd start being friends with him lol.

[Bren]

Im thinking of doing an alternate version of my mix, since Im not completely satisfied with how its turning out. Im not trashing it, so dont worry about that...just seeing if I can come up with something better. Good to know you're with us and not against us Snappleman.

[analoq]

didn't see this coming. i thought snap was just whining about the project for whatever reason.
but seeing him step up to improve things shows he really does want this project to be good.
welcome aboard.

cheers.

[hobo]

I've been listening to some of the WIPs today during my art exam. Jesus, voting's gonna be tough.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Another Announcement -

LordMaestro (my buddy :()
And Red Tailed Fox have decided to depart from this project for similar reasons. They feel satisfied with their remixes and don't feel like making things better or changing things to meet the quality standards. Both will be missed.

[SnappleMan]

Hah, well it's nice to get such friendly responses!

I probably wont publicly post any demos till the songs are done. I like to surprise people.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Hah, well it's nice to get such friendly responses!

I probably wont publicly post any demos till the songs are done. I like to surprise people.

You can't post in this thread you asshole!!#@$#@!%%#, GTFO!

(Commented on your remix Nuts)

[jmr]

SnappleMan, glad to see that you are now involved in the project. Looking forward to hearing your tracks!

As for my mix, I've gone back and pretty much revamped the synth instruments. I may post a WIP this weekend, depending on how much work I get done.

Glad to see that the project is progressing well.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

[Vilecat]

Need a whip KFC?
True, semester finals and school projects are coming, but don't let yourselves be discouraged by it guys. I wish i could help more, but i can only help you with moral support :lol:

And how come there hasn't been any news on the S3&K project being moved to the Site Projects board yet?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Because we feel we need more progress first.

And I will not let people use school as a scapegoat. I'm going through the same thing as everyone else and I find time. Come on people, we have to make this AWESOME.

[Holy Warrior Azar]

Although I have nothing to do with this anymore, am I still allowed to comment on songs?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Yes.

[Xenon Odyssey]

Don't click this if you want a happy life (http://home.comcast.net/~xenon_odyssey/Xenon_Odyssey_-_Hydrolocity_-_v2.75.mp3)

CRA-TEEK ME! for I suck at teh ReMixing.

[The Joker]

I'm glad to see someone twalking & talking... the talk & walk. Whatever that means. Anyhoo, I pretty sure Snapple will make a great Rock (hopefully Electro Rock) Doomsday. I've been having trouble with ideas for it, so I' was most likely gonna drop it. My Hidden Palace is coming along great though. I'll try to have a full length version up soon. Not finished... but full "length".

[Hadyn]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Riiiigghhhhhhhtttttt...

This is a role reversal... Snap's being nice, and you're being an ass...

Chill out! Swearing at mixers gives them motivation for one thing only: quitting.

[-RK-]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Riiiigghhhhhhhtttttt...

This is a role reversal... Snap's being nice, and you're being an ass...

Chill out! Swearing at mixers gives them motivation for one thing only: quitting.

*Cough Cough*

I think Haydn has a point here. Lookee Lookee.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

If you don't agree woth what I said you missed the point.

[Hadyn]

If you don't agree woth what I said you missed the point.

That's like saying "my opinion is absolute, and everyone who disagrees is wrong".

Which is a bit arrogant.

I completely understood what you meant, but i disagree whith your attitude.

[Mr. Fox]

Guys...
You are fighting again!
Come on, can't you guys see that this thread is turning into some kind of "Who is The Big Asshole" reality show?

Hadyn, you are right, some attitudes make people want to leave (which was NOT my case, but I still believe this is truth).

KFC, Snappleman... I know you guys have your differences and bla bla bla... But the time to fix that is over, now is the time to forget it and start working.

KFC, you want this project to be AMAZING right? Cool, I think you have what it takes, just don't overdo it. You are still in control, but you could lose it if you start showing sings of despair. This is what you are doing.

Snnapleman, stop that crappy "I am your savior, I came here to save the project, bound before me, adore me" speech. It's not cool. I appreciated the move, but there's no need to act like that...

That's all I have to say.

[Rexy]

We all have our points - if we want this project to be amazing we need to cooperate together.

Going onto the whole business issue, I too have fallen behind that. I've got Music Technology coursework to hand in for two weeks' time as well as a secret project that I don't even want to tell much about until next Sunday. After that time I will be free to make more frequent visits, I assure you. ;)

But yeah, I'm sure we can all still pull something out of the hat :)

[SnappleMan]

Snnapleman, stop that crappy "I am your savior, I came here to save the project, bound before me, adore me" speech. It's not cool. I appreciated the move, but there's no need to act like that...

That's all I have to say.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Sir_NutS]

this thread is getting more and more stupid with each post.

what about, everybody stfu and go mix some S&K goodness? that would do wonders to this thread. Really.[/quote]

[SnappleMan]

Well, I said I wouldn't post any WIPs in this thread, but I will tell peeps that I'm about halfway done with Doomsday.

I'm planning to do the final boss theme after that, but I'm a little unsure about the structure.

I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

[DarkeSword]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

[Murmeli Walan]

I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

If it were up to me, I'd do both themes separately instead of one track.

But there are alot of tracks already, and doing both in one track would save some room. If you go that way, do Doomsday leading into Final Boss, or maybe mix Final Boss midway through Doomsday.

[SnappleMan]

I was thinking, Doomsday first, and it leads into final boss, but I don't know if it would work better the other way around. Any ideas?

If it were up to me, I'd do both themes separately instead of one track.

But there are alot of tracks already, and doing both in one track would save some room. If you go that way, do Doomsday leading into Final Boss, or maybe mix Final Boss midway through Doomsday.

Well, I mean as two tracks, but one transitions into the other. I just don't know which to transtion into which.

[Rexy]

Well I had suspicions that it would be Final Boss into Domesday, considering the order they appear in the game :? Interesting ideas, mind.

[Navi]

Snnapleman, stop that crappy "I am your savior, I came here to save the project, bound before me, adore me" speech. It's not cool. I appreciated the move, but there's no need to act like that...

That's all I have to say.

I didn't really want to involve myself in this thread but...what? Really now...

[Murmeli Walan]

Well, I mean as two tracks, but one transitions into the other. I just don't know which to transtion into which.

Oh, all right.

In that case, I'd transition Doomsday into Final Boss, mainly for the reason that it follows the order in the game.

[SnappleMan]

Well I had suspicions that it would be Final Boss into Domesday, considering the order they appear in the game :? Interesting ideas, mind.

Well, yeah, but the ideas I got sound better the other way around... so I'm stuck!

[Navi]

Go with what sounds better.

[SlightlyOddGuy]

Final Boss occurs before Doomsday, so keep it that way.

And honestly people, drop the hostility. You're all working together on this and flaming is the least productive thing you can possibly do.

[SnappleMan]

Final Boss occurs before Doomsday, so keep it that way.

Eh, I started Doomsday first, and it sounds better that way, so I'm keeping it Doomsday followed by Fina Boss.

[Rexy]

And honestly people, drop the hostility. You're all working together on this and flaming is the least productive thing you can possibly do.
We're not flaming - we're just trying to piece together this small part of the mixing jigsaw :P

Anyhow, fingers crossed that I might have something for tomorrow - gonna be a bitch mastering everything again... ^_^;

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

ehem, Pretty please start helping each other more. That will help things go along better. ^_^

[Vilecat]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.
You can still have the authority, without all the cussing in there. DarkeSword probably meant to not use the word fuck (at least not that often). And maybe not go too "personnal". If you have to blame someone, do it in a general way (example : All remixers need to visit the thread regulary/daily, not once in a while *you can put it in bold, caps, add !!!, or anything like that*).

This is also part of being a good leader. I'm not saying you're bad at it, but just mesure your words. As little the detail may seem, it's part of communication, and communicating between leader <-> subordinates (project coordinator <-> remixers) is a very important aspect in the realisation of a project. Like many other people, i do not want this project to fail, and i am certain you're not wishing this either. But if in any way you show some "sign of weakness", the repercussion will be felt on the rest of the team too.

Sorry for the semi speech, but i hope it can help you. Don't take it bad though, i'm not saying all this in a negative way. Watch out to not put too much pressure on yourself, you already have a lot on your shoulders.

And don't forget guys, don't give up! :wink:


... I'll mind my own business now :oops:

[SnappleMan]

Ok, a serious issue is on hand. And it's pathetic. You people just don't help each other like you should. This is a fucking team. But yet some of you don't even check the fucking thread. We all need feedback. Do you know we had a drop out because of this. You people need to shape up. Being busy is no fucking excuse. A few minutes of your time is nothing. I can't accept anymore of this shit. You people are acting as if you are in your own corner. SHAPE UP PEOPLE.

Never, ever, cuss out your remixers. :whatevaa:

You can say what you have to say without being pissy. Try to maintain some professionalism. :?

Dude. They didn't get the message when I asked. I even asked nicely. They need to get the message. I mean, if they don't understand when you ask nice, then what other way is there? Look, I'll start to ligthen up a little more, but there is still no real excuse.

EDIT - Thanks to the lack of teamwork and helping with each other we lost 3 mixers. THREE mixers. THREE.

You went from one extreme to the other. You've gotta know how to treat your team members. Just yelling at someone with obsenities does nothing. If you were someone without any real involvement in the project, then fine, swear all you want, but not as the project leader.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ok.Sure.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Announcement -

I have been super stressed as of late. Alot of things are hitting my life at once, and what was once easy to ignore is now getting worse and worse. And it shows in my posts. Being a hardass is one thing, but being a jackass is another. And I my friends, was a jackass. I apologize to everyone involved in the project because my attitude really does hurt the project more than help. And I shouldn't curse you guys either. Now that my chin is picked up, I feel much better now. I just gotta keep pressing on. Once again everyone, I am sorry. I 10000% Promise that I will keep a cheerful mood when dealing with the project, since that is what we all need.

[DarkeSword]

Announcement -

I have been super stressed as of late. Alot of things are hitting my life at once, and what was once easy to ignore is now getting worse and worse. And it shows in my posts. Being a hardass is one thing, but being a jackass is another. And I my friends, was a jackass. I apologize to everyone involved in the project because my attitude really does hurt the project more than help. And I shouldn't curse you guys either. Now that my chin is picked up, I feel much better now. I just gotta keep pressing on. Once again everyone, I am sorry. I 10000% Promise that I will keep a cheerful mood when dealing with the project, since that is what we all need.

DON'T FUCKING LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN

...

:P

[Xenon Odyssey]

DON'T FUCKING LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN

Quoted for emphasis greatly needed.

NOW,

My song (http://home.comcast.net/~xenon_odyssey/Xenon_Odyssey_-_Hydrolocity_-_v2.75.mp3).

Feedback? Anyone? Let's try to bring the thread back to the status it was before everyone got all pissy at each other.

[Hadyn]

lol, I was going to say something directed towards KFC... but I think Darkesword's taken very nice care of that.

Snappleman - the idea of a transition sounds cool, but what if my remix gets voted and not yours? Then the transition wouldn't work...

Of course, chances of me winning are probably quite low, but it's still a possibility, right?

Other than that, i'm looking to take on a second track. Anything you guys would like to see me do? I'm thinking Casino Nights, but yeah. I might even do two more, or three, even - but I'll see how I go ^^;

I'm at a College that literally is *full time* - we do a five year course in two years, and so, you know, if I get busy, then I honestly *don't* have time to work on music, but i'll try to find time whenever I can. After next week, I wont have another assignment for a little while :)

Xenon - Your remix sounds quite chaotic and monotonous - I think it's mainly the crappy synths you're using, and a lack of decent mastering, but my ears are blocked (sick) and I can't really hear it perfectly.

I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it all - the theme sounds very out of place in this style... I think the best advice I can give is to start again, if it's not too late. Maybe find a song in real life that you can copy the style and layout of, only using the Hydrocity melodies - that always works for me when I can't find ideas. Atleast that way you kind of have guidlines to follow :)

Sorry if that's not very helpful... i'm feeling pretty crap and drowsy... I'll post more critiques later.

[Sora]

I'd like to see you work on Carnival Night.
I think it's a great song for your style. 8)

[Xenon Odyssey]

Xenon - Your remix sounds quite chaotic and monotonous - I think it's mainly the crappy synths you're using, and a lack of decent mastering, but my ears are blocked (sick) and I can't really hear it perfectly.

I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it all - the theme sounds very out of place in this style... I think the best advice I can give is to start again, if it's not too late. Maybe find a song in real life that you can copy the style and layout of, only using the Hydrocity melodies - that always works for me when I can't find ideas. Atleast that way you kind of have guidlines to follow :)

Sorry if that's not very helpful... i'm feeling pretty crap and drowsy... I'll post more critiques later.

No, it's quite alright. It's the first criticism I've gotten besides KFC. Yeah, it does sound like crap. However, I've really no idea what I'm going to so about the synths and such, for the fact that I've only got FruityLoops 4 and honestly have no idea how to use soundfonts properly. Well, then again, it might sound bad because of the reverb that I've soaked into some of the instruments, trying to give that "watery" feel. And I've yet to add the main melody to the song, which will require recording (if I can manage to have it sound decent with the limited resources I have). Oh well. I have a set idea of how I want the song to sound on my head, so I just need to go back and try to form it so that it sounds similar to how I want it yet different enough to be labeled a remix.

...yet upon listening to it, I suppose the original song was chaotic, since all I did was take each individual voice from the song and place it with a different instrument, and then a drum sequence in the background.

Well, more feedback appreciated. Perhaps the more detailed kind, though I thank Haydn for trying while he is a bit sick.

[Hadyn]

all I did was take each individual voice from the song and place it with a different instrument, and then a drum sequence in the background.


That could actually be your problem ^^;

When you're going to change the style of a piece, it's a good idea to work it from the ground up, and not simply recycle the original. Put in the melody without altering it too much, and then add your unique basslines and supporting instruments, without too much regard for the originals. As long as people recognise the melody, it's okay to screw around and have fun with the other instruments, in order to make them better suit your style :)

I'm sorry again, that I can't really give detailed advice. I'll try and help some more when I get un-sick :)

Keep working on it, I look forward to seeing new versions!

[Sora]

wtf? are you always sick? it surtainly seems so :lol: and I thought my immune system was bad. :wink:

[Hadyn]

Sora, i'll get started on Carnival Night today. might not sound so great seeing as I can't properly hear things, but i'll hopefully have a little demo within the next 12 hours to show you guys :)

[Sora]

don't overwork yourself
stay in bed and get plenty of sleep so you can remix like hell tomorrow :D
we don't want a dead remixer

Nothing new for either of my mixes.
I don't even know if I'll work on Sky Sanctuary anymore. And Staff Roll is in the shop :wink:

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

We don't want a dead mixer unless it's SnappleMan :wink:

This is what I'm talking about. Working toghether :) I like it.

I look forward to the remix Hadyn. And hope you feel better soon.

[UltimateSonicFan]

Hey Snapple, you have it confused. The final boss (after the death egg zone) is before doomsday zone. Its unfortunately too late by now, but if its not, try it.

EDIT: Never mind. I fear this whole album is going to be butchered in its continuity. This is a Sonic 3 & Knuckles album and instead its coming together in a conglomerate of remixes. First it was the Sonic 3 ending, now the rearrangement of order. We're just going to end up with a mess of idea's that share no common thread on this CD if more people decide to go off on their own tangent. I don't want to critisize you KFC because it takes a lot of work to keep this going, but you need to be more of a sonic fan to really care about it. I do not know your intentions, but they are clearly not to make a full remix of every song in S3&K as I desire. My wish is not to manage this, but for you to apreciate what you are doing. You are heading the first S3&K remix album, quite possibly the most anticipated set of remixes of all time. Please do not fuck this up by steering away from peoples' expectations.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Hey Snapple, you have it confused. The final boss (after the death egg zone) is before doomsday zone. Its unfortunately too late by now, but if its not, try it.

EDIT: Never mind. I fear this whole album is going to be butchered in its continuity. This is a Sonic 3 & Knuckles album and instead its coming together in a conglomerate of remixes. First it was the Sonic 3 ending, now the rearrangement of order. We're just going to end up with a mess of idea's that share no common thread on this CD if more people decide to go off on their own tangent. I don't want to critisize you KFC because it takes a lot of work to keep this going, but you need to be more of a sonic fan to really care about it. I do not know your intentions, but they are clearly not to make a full remix of every song in S3&K as I desire. My wish is not to manage this, but for you to apreciate what you are doing. You are heading the first S3&K remix album, quite possibly the most anticipated set of remixes of all time. Please do not fuck this up by steering away from peoples' expectations.

LET ME TELLL.... whew... deep breath.... stay calm :)

Please don't question my fandom of Sonic. Just because my name isn't based around him, doesn't mean I'm not a huge fan.

I do not know your intentions, but they are clearly not to make a full remix of every song in S3&K as I desire.

Problem two my friend. This isn't about you. Just because the project is done to YOUR liking doesn't mean it will be bad. Just try to enjoy it when it's done. There are a lot of mixers that will disagree with what you said (based on the ideas expressed by them earlier) so I'm just telling you what most of the others think as well.

[Ichitootah]

I tend to think that if each and every remix is well done, the project will turn out well.

Continuity? Not as important... a nice extra feature, in my view.

[Murmeli Walan]

My only expectation is to hear some great music from a game I love playing.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

My only expectation is to hear some great music from a game I love playing.

Exactly.
When you hear a Final Fantasy arrangment album or piano collection or something, do you hear every single song from the soundtrack? Nope. Rise of The Star for example. Is it using every song in the soundtrack? Nope.

[Murmeli Walan]

My only expectation is to hear some great music from a game I love playing.

Exactly.
When you hear a Final Fantasy arrangment album or piano collection or something, do you hear every single song from the soundtrack? Nope. Rise of The Star for example. Is it using every song in the soundtrack? Nope.

Right. I also believe that the DOOM project isn't using every track, as well.

In short, don't let a little thing like continuity keep you from enjoying this project or the music. If you really end up not liking the project, let it be because of the music, not because Doomsday Zone is coming before Final Boss.

[Sora]

*nods* I hate all this complaining that "ooohhh noooo. the song I wanted isn't on there" too bad. "oh no this song isn't in the order I want it to be." well you see here: the problem is that you want it to be like you want it and only you. more people want it the other way.those you matter at least.

[Murmeli Walan]

*nods* I hate all this complaining that "ooohhh noooo. the song I wanted isn't on there" too bad. "oh no this song isn't in the order I want it to be." well you see here: the problem is that you want it to be like you want it and only you. more people want it the other way.those you matter at least.

Ok, that's enough. We explained to him what we thought, but he doesn't deserve to be talked down to.

Sorry if I offended you. I just don't want this to get out of hand.

[Sora]

heyyyy nonono. I wasn't referring to USF. I was reffering to other's who shall not be named. :wink:

[SnappleMan]

Snappleman - the idea of a transition sounds cool, but what if my remix gets voted and not yours? Then the transition wouldn't work...


Simple solution, my good man! If your track wins over mine, I simply redo the ending. It wouldn't be more than a 20 minute matter.

[SnappleMan]

Hey Snapple, you have it confused. The final boss (after the death egg zone) is before doomsday zone. Its unfortunately too late by now, but if its not, try it.

No, I don't have it confused. I've been playing this game for 11 years of my life, believe me when I tell you that I know it backwards and forwards.

It's simply a matter of what works musically. Continuity is great if it works that way. Once I get both tracks done, I will decide how to transition them, and if it sounds better in the correct order, I will do it that way, if not, then it'll be the other way.

Just reverse the tracks on your playlist and you should be fine :D

[ellywu2]

Does this project still need mixers? Sorry, i havent been keeping track of it as much as i should have.

[Hadyn]

Does this project still need mixers? Sorry, i havent been keeping track of it as much as i should have.

I'm not sure what KFC would say, but I'd like to see you onboard with this project.

[The Joker]

Heck yeah. I'd love some patented ellywu styled symphonica. Heck even straight orchestral from you would pwn (that's right "pwn").

On a side note, I started work on Death Egg Zone. I wasn;t sure how it'd go over, seeing as I changed the genre & mood of the song. It's now a in a lullaby.. or dare I say, Elfman-esque style.

It's was the only natural way to remix the song IMO. Here is the linkage.
http://joker.paletteswap.com/Remixes/S3&K%20-%20Joker%20-%20Destiny%20Awaits.mp3

[Hadyn]

Joker... I'm liking this an unusually large amount... It's by no means perfect, but the arrangement is really nice.

The mastering needs some work, and obviously it needs to be a little longer, but it's a very nice 'calm before the storm' sort of piece, which I like a lot.

Do you use FL? If so, I might ask you to send the file my way and maybe I can help out with some of the mastering? There're a few things i'd like to try, but only if it's cool with you :)

~Hadyn

[Hadyn]

Soooo, I had a shot at the carnival night thingo earlier on, in an electronic style... sounded way too crap and generic, so I scrapped it. Then, about an hour ago, I came up with a way that I could do a guitar version... Thing is, i'm sick/tired/clumsy, and so couldn't record my own guitar without stopping every five seconds to sneeze/collapse/or simply drop something. Sooo, I put my idea down in FL using Slayer.

Here's the basic jist of it:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/carndumbtest.mp3

Keep in mind that I'll likely start again when I feel well enough to record live, but yeah. I'm looking for comments on the overall feel and arrangement :)

~Hadyn

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Does this project still need mixers? Sorry, i havent been keeping track of it as much as i should have.

Sure ellywu2, you can hop aboard.

[SnappleMan]

Soooo, I had a shot at the carnival night thingo earlier on, in an electronic style... sounded way too crap and generic, so I scrapped it. Then, about an hour ago, I came up with a way that I could do a guitar version... Thing is, i'm sick/tired/clumsy, and so couldn't record my own guitar without stopping every five seconds to sneeze/collapse/or simply drop something. Sooo, I put my idea down in FL using Slayer.

Here's the basic jist of it:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/carndumbtest.mp3

Keep in mind that I'll likely start again when I feel well enough to record live, but yeah. I'm looking for comments on the overall feel and arrangement :)

~Hadyn

Hmm, I know that drum soundfont you're using. Some shitty power set from Hammersound, right? I don't think that sound works for the song. You need something that's more dry, and also other kinds of percussion too.

It would be really cool if you keep the originals carnival theme. Start it with a big fat bass drum, like the original, and then slowly build it up.

Tons of interesting percussion and a nice guitar lead would make this one really cool.

[Sora]

said exactly what I was gonna say.
more percussion would really give a nicer feel to C.N.. And the bass should be like the original.

[UltimateSonicFan]

Believe me KFC, I do not think that you are not a sonic fan because of your name, much less that I think you are not a fan at all. Its just that if you asked anyone from the sonic community what they would like, they would like to hear all the songs remixed, unabridged, and to share the same continuity the originals' had in the game. So when I said what I desire, what I meant is what the die-hard fans generally desire. Don't get me wrong, I like what we have so far. I hardly doubt that fans will be very disapointed. I'm saying that if everyone decided to do what "sounds better", we're going to have 5 songs on this album that have anything to do with the game.

On another note, it doesn't help me remix something by telling me to start over. Its like saying my WIP sucks. How the hell am I supposed to know what I did right and wrong? I've had numerous people tell me how they love the track, and several others who encouraged me to work more on it. I cannot believe my song is that bad. You told me what I already knew was bad- the samples, the messy "drum solo", the sax... *still does not know where the sax came in*. It is all supposed to be a placeholder anyways. I don't have an extra 100 dollars I can put down for symphony orchestra samples at any time I want as I have so many other expenses. I know you are more capable of telling me what is musically wrong than telling me to start over.

BTW: I apologize Snappleman. In an earlier post someone said that Final Boss came after Doomsday, and you went along with it. I assumed you thought this was the truth rather than thinking it was a technical aspect.

[ellywu2]

Cool! erm, what song do you need mixing? i noticed that they are all taken on the front page...
Or do i just pick one which takes my fancy?

[The Joker]

Thanks for the offer hadyn. I sent you a PM.

Anyway, on to you Xenon. I like your mix. But it sounds rather BGM instead of a real song. What I mean is try a little more production work. Take out that horrible sounding waterfall & get a better sample to put there. I suggest trackign down some sort of building geyser. You not. One that starts off with a low bass tremble then into an all out water blast. Vary the drums a bit. Heck, put in a electronica snare roll, it'll sound cool. I also suggest a dissonant synth to go along with the lead. And that guitarish ssound you have... doesn't sound to good. Maybe an fxed piano might sound better.

That' all I got for now.

[Antipode]

So, is the idea here that I need to repost my WIP? I don't know if I caught on to that.

[Holy Warrior Azar]

Soooo, I had a shot at the carnival night thingo earlier on, in an electronic style... sounded way too crap and generic, so I scrapped it. Then, about an hour ago, I came up with a way that I could do a guitar version... Thing is, i'm sick/tired/clumsy, and so couldn't record my own guitar without stopping every five seconds to sneeze/collapse/or simply drop something. Sooo, I put my idea down in FL using Slayer.

Here's the basic jist of it:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/carndumbtest.mp3

Keep in mind that I'll likely start again when I feel well enough to record live, but yeah. I'm looking for comments on the overall feel and arrangement :)

~Hadyn

Sounds similar to some of analoq's stuff. :wink: That's really cool. This would rock with some more expansion to it, and possibly a cleaner guitar. The percussion I think is good because it sounds a little more authentic then the stuff I'm used to hearing.

Joker, your arrangement is cool, but that tone is all over the place. I dont know what your using but if you can center the pitch a little better so it dosent have such a hollow echoed sound it would be cool. On a postive note I like that sort of chiming effect on the high notes at the end, that was pretty cool.

[Bren]

Meh...Im sick again. One of my professors came to class while recovering from a cold, and apparently it was just enough to get me sick again. My WIP might be a little late, as this has hindered my creativity muse.

[Hadyn]

Soooo, I had a shot at the carnival night thingo earlier on, in an electronic style... sounded way too crap and generic, so I scrapped it. Then, about an hour ago, I came up with a way that I could do a guitar version... Thing is, i'm sick/tired/clumsy, and so couldn't record my own guitar without stopping every five seconds to sneeze/collapse/or simply drop something. Sooo, I put my idea down in FL using Slayer.

Here's the basic jist of it:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/carndumbtest.mp3

Keep in mind that I'll likely start again when I feel well enough to record live, but yeah. I'm looking for comments on the overall feel and arrangement :)

~Hadyn

Hmm, I know that drum soundfont you're using. Some shitty power set from Hammersound, right? I don't think that sound works for the song. You need something that's more dry, and also other kinds of percussion too.

It would be really cool if you keep the originals carnival theme. Start it with a big fat bass drum, like the original, and then slowly build it up.

Tons of interesting percussion and a nice guitar lead would make this one really cool.

Cheers, i'll give all that a shot :)

Got any recommendations of drumkits I could use? I don't really have many, at that "Drums by Slavo" is probably the pinacle of my collection, so yeah... Help?

Sora - The bass in the original was just the same boom-boom thing I have going on, only I varied the progression a little to add interest and make it sound more interesting. Or do you mean the sample should sound similar?

Azar - cheers man, i know i'm on the right track when it's likened to analoq's stuff ^^;

I'm actually planning on a cleaner guitar, I just couldn't find one in the stupid slayer presets. But yeah, when I actually record live, it'll be nice and clean. Or atleast cleaner. As far as the percussion goes, I think I probably will change it. I want the song to be a bit... lighter, I gues. Just depends if I find some better kits/samples or not ^^;

~Hadyn

[Hadyn]

Damnit, I suck at this... I tried a bunch of ideas, but they all sucked. It's quite a difficult theme to remix... one of those ones that was really written to suit the specific style it's in... and yeah...

poop. Not sure if i'll keep working on it or not.

[The Joker]

I might try Carnival Night. I've been wanting to expand my musical making.... stuff. And that Death Egg mix was worked on for about an hour give or take. I think me & Hadyn may make it a collab. But to what extent the collab will be has yet to be decided on. That's is all.

[Kanjika]

Ok...heres my newest version of Sky Sanctuary. This version sounds alot more natural and a little smoother but things are missing that were in the previous version (mostly very minor things). The next version i post will be near 100% done

http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3789

[Hadyn]

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood.mp3

Yay, I made a demo that i'm happy with!

I'm gonna keep working on this one, methinks. What do you guys recon?

~Hadyn

EDIT:

version 2 of my latest WIP:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood2.mp3

I'm rather happy with how this is turning out, apart from two things:

1) the trombone stab section comes out of nowhere (although the lead-out is fine)

and

2) As Snappleman put it, "It needs to be cool and goofy. This is just cool"

He has a damn good point. I might try something a little crazier tomorrow or something, but for now, all comments and opinions on this are very appreciated.

[Antipode]

I'm assuming I need to repost my old WIP, as it's not in quality control, so here (http://www.paletteswap.com/music/?p=download&id=30) it is. The second version is on its way soon, there's just a few things I need to touch up on it still.
Oh, one other thing - to see what I'm probably going to change, I think I wrote it up on the other forum if anyone's curious.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I'm busy, so I will update tommorow, and UFC, I think you missed the point.

And as far as you WIP, it's not good at all, and I think you should hit the drawing board. Sorry man. :(

BUT, to be fair, I will PM you with a much better review :)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Cool! erm, what song do you need mixing? i noticed that they are all taken on the front page...
Or do i just pick one which takes my fancy?

Pick one.

[Hadyn]

Cool! erm, what song do you need mixing? i noticed that they are all taken on the front page...
Or do i just pick one which takes my fancy?

Pick one.

I know KFC's busy, so I'll elaborate.

You can pick any one you like, even if somebody else is doing it, and in the end there'll be a vote to see which one makes it on the project :)

~Hadyn

[SnappleMan]

Okay folks, we just got Master Hatchet onboard. He'll be doing Flying Battery and (maybe) an acoustic gutiar rendition of Game Select.

He's a very good musician, you can check out some of his work here:

http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3846

[Rexy]

Master Hatchet... dammit, his take on Ken's theme (Street Fighter II) for the past DoD was awesome, and it sounds great to have him on board.

Acoustic Data Select? Interesting. Given that source is the one that would start off the project (I think) I have good hopes for how this would come around :D

While I'm here, I can say I've been playing around with the re-writing of the middle portions of my contribution. Hopefully I might go back to it today, and with a bit of luck we may have a fresh MP3 on hold.

I've also been spending a lot of time yesterday doing something else relating to the project, but I'd rather keep that as a secret even to Sithlord ;)

[SnappleMan]

I'm trying to get that little punk Ashane on this too, but you know how he is about being productive... :D

[Hadyn]

Snappleman, this project needed you.

Not as a discredit to KFC or anything, but yeah. You're doing some amazing things. Keep it up :D

[ellywu2]

Well, if i choose one, write me down for Lava reef. I'll get a wip up as soon as i can.

[Hadyn]

version 2 of my latest WIP:

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood2.mp3

I'm rather happy with how this is turning out, apart from two things:

1) the trombone stab section comes out of nowhere (although the lead-out is fine)

and

2) As Snappleman put it, "It needs to be cool and goofy. This is just cool"

He has a damn good point. I might try something a little crazier tomorrow or something, but for now, all comments and opinions on this are very appreciated.

[Navi]

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood2.mp3

I'm rather happy with how this is turning out, apart from two things:

1) the trombone stab section comes out of nowhere (although the lead-out is fine)

Just a recommendation of what I would do in the immediate measure before the trumpet stabs/xylo come in (hey, you wanted goofy, right): halfway through the measure, do a hard volume cutoff and insert a giggling clown laugh. Cut the volume back right at the next measure with the stabs and calliope and whatnot.

Just a thought.

[Holy Warrior Azar]

we just got Master Hatchet onboard

That rocks. :wink:

[Master Hatchet]

Happy to be aboard! (whoa it's been a while since I've posted on the OCR Boards)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Okay folks, we just got Master Hatchet onboard. He'll be doing Flying Battery and (maybe) an acoustic gutiar rendition of Game Select.

He's a very good musician, you can check out some of his work here:

http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3846

Data Select... :( I'm doing data select...

Anyway, yeah SnappleMan getting on the project was just what the project needed. Welcome Aboard Hatchet.

Note - I might not be here for awhile, I'm having computer problems.

[Xenon Odyssey]

Goodbye to Hydrolocity (http://home.comcast.net/~xenon_odyssey/Xenon_Odyssey_-_Flavored_Water_-_v3.mp3)

Ok, I tried to take advice from the criticisms I recieve. I'd like to know how it sounds now. Yes, I believe there are some EQ problems (if not a lot). If anyone could please give me some helpful advice in that department, I'd greatly appreciate it (I use FruityLoops 4). Oh, and I'm trying to get the song to sound good, and then expand on it, without having to worry about going back and EQing it (because apparently I suck at picking up those kinds of things, unless they are REALLY obvious). This way you (the public) won't know how the rest of the song sounds like until I release it.

Rant Rant Rant.

[Mr. Fox]

Xenon, I will divide my feedback in three categories:

1 - Sound quality / Technical aspects:

Most of your problems lie here. Everything seems drowned in reverb, the song indeed has a "watery feel". Some panning work would really help things to be clearer. The choice of the synths is also a complicated matter, it's pretty hard to work with synthesized brass (which seems to be the case here, but I may be wrong), so you might consider changing them (or at least working on them quite a bit). And the waterfall thing is great idea, just needs a better sample, that's all. Drums are ok, tough.

2 - Arregment:

The piece needs more original stuff. I barely see anything original going on (and come on, the Hydrocity theme is a fucking fun song to work with! :wink: ). The idea of putting the "drowning theme" (really I don't know how it is called) in the end is tasty, you might wanna go for an accelerando there, it would sound good.

3 - Overall:

I really think you need to have more fun with your remix. :D Your are working on a great song, it's quite tasty to mess around with the melody & harmony. Try new parts, solos, different harmonies, change of instruments. It's a sweet song to work with.

Hope I helped! :)

[ellywu2]

You need dynamics in there, at the moment it goes like this : REALLY LOUD. get some climaxes etc.
That rain sounds kind of lo-fi. Trust me, you dont want sfx unless you can make them sound high quality or unless they actually are high quality.
Its hard to hear the drums, and what i do hear needs more variety. Especially that techno part you have at the end. I think that whole part needs rethinking.

Hope that helped

[Mr. Fox]

That rain sounds kind of lo-fi.

Is that rain? I mistaked it for a waterfall sorry... :?

[Xenon Odyssey]

No, it's a waterfall .wav file I found on the 'net. I suppose I'll I have to fiddle with it somehow to make it sound better.

You know, I've never really thought about the dynamics. What a complete ass I am. Thank you ellywu2 for bringing that to my attention. And I agree, the drums do need more variation. The thing at the end was the result of me randomly clicking on the buttons on the Step Sequencer :lol: .

My synths are always weird, because I use instruments that clash and aren't heard together often. That, and I don't know how to work with soundfonts too well (if it doesn't make a sound when I test it in FL, I've no idea what to do). I do agree, less reverb. And I should work more with the melody and such; I do it on my keyboard when I'm not at the comp to get ideas. I just need to get something solid and transfer it to the computer.

Thank you two for your feedback; I shall adjust the song accordingly.

[Hadyn]

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood2.mp3

I'm rather happy with how this is turning out, apart from two things:

1) the trombone stab section comes out of nowhere (although the lead-out is fine)

Just a recommendation of what I would do in the immediate measure before the trumpet stabs/xylo come in (hey, you wanted goofy, right): halfway through the measure, do a hard volume cutoff and insert a giggling clown laugh. Cut the volume back right at the next measure with the stabs and calliope and whatnot.

Just a thought.

lol, that would just be scary... I don't wanna give listeners nightmares here, Myth. I have another idea I might try out with adding a short build... I'll see how that works out. Otherwise, I could always do the glass shatter then silence like in the original ^^

http://66.221.70.133/hadyn/hadyn_carnivalGood2.mp3

Incase anyone else would like to give some advice - it'd be very appreciated :)

[defender!!]

just adding my half-cent, since i don't really have the requirements to add a full one.

i'm really liking the remix. speaking as a breakbeat enthusiast, the drumline is superb. everything gives me a "bloated-but-broken" feel, if that means anything. it feels inspired, considering you had to jump all over balloons in the level.

the only thing i would change now would be the xylophone. i don't know if it fits the mood entirely and i'm almost certain you could probably find something just a little more in-place.

what that would be, i have no clue. that's just my half-cent.

[Hadyn]

Cheers man. I know what you mean about the xylophone (well, actually it's a marimba, but it's all the same really... kind of). But yeah, I have no idea at all what to replace it with. Maybe some crazy electronic lead?

any thoughts anyone?

[Sora]

maybe an acid synth? But it'd be really hard as a lead. Maybe some kinda Sytrus short synth? those might work. I really can't think of a specific one.

[AMT]

I thought the marimba sounded halfway decent, but maybe you could have a synth playing the same notes at the same time at a lower volume with slight reverb? I'm new to remixing, so I don't really know what I'm talking about, but, yeah....

[Sora]

you know...that could work out well... a synth mixed with a marimba would be a better feel for this.

[Antipode]

Just in case you didn't catch my earlier post KFC, my old WIPcan be found here (http://www.paletteswap.com/users/remixes/PaletteSwapDotCom_Remix_30_(Menu_Motility_v1)_by_( antipode).mp3) and any extra comments are appreciated. I'm just reposting it because it's not already in quality control. I'm getting my second version ready and I've put what I'm changing into the thread in the other forum.

[Hadyn]

yeah, the marimba's grown on me again... I'm keeping it :P

Might try that idea though - mixing it with something electronic... could work nicely :)

~Hadyn

[Nicole Adams]

Heh, it's been awhile since I've posted in this thread. :lol:

You got some tight stuff in your Carnival Night WIP, Hadyn. I agree with whoever said it needed to be more goofy. Whenever I hear the source tune I can't help but picture someone beatboxing. *lol* That's probably just me, though, and I'm not saying do something like that in this. :lol:

[SnappleMan]

The thing I'm noticing here is that alot of people are going out of their way to change the chord progressions and structures of the original music.

I think it's better to try and keep the same feel of the original song, and arrange it to just enough to make it an interesting 3-5 minutes.

The way I see it, we're making an arrangement album, not a "music inspired by" album, and definetly not a remix ;) (since technically, remix is a very improper word to use for what we here at OCR and VGmix actually do.)

Gah, I rant on too damn much.

[Ichitootah]

I think it's better to try and keep the same feel of the original song, and arrange it to just enough to make it an interesting 3-5 minutes.


I agree, that's probably what we should be shooting for as a group that's arranging the entire soundtrack.



Ahem, on an unrelated note...

Here is WIP 4 of my remix which has absolutely none of the feel of the original song :(


Helium Stairways (http://www.ichitootah.com/_private/Helium%20Stairways%20(WIP).mp3)


It's just that... The feel of the original sucks shit, imho. I'm just trying to improve it, by adding some, you know, beauty to the track(hopefully)?

It shouldn't be a big deal, though... I mean, how many people's favorite track is Balloon Park Competition anyway?

In addition, to do my part, I will write some more reviews soon... 3 is more than some have done, though :)

[The Joker]

I just read the last 2 pages since I was last on... & with all the names being mentioned by Snapple... I'm hoping this won;t turn out to be the "rock'n'Roll(get it) remix of S3&K."

Anyway, I've sent my FLP to Hadyn, so go ahead a put it down as a collab for right now. And I'm dropping Doomsday. Dang song just didn;t inspire me anymore. The End.

[SnappleMan]

I just read the last 2 pages since I was last on... & with all the names being mentioned by Snapple... I'm hoping this won;t turn out to be the "rock'n'Roll(get it) remix of S3&K." .

Hah, well, I'm sorry if actual live music is not up to par with FLStudio :lol:

[Hadyn]

I agree, it looks like there're going to be a few rock/metal mixes, but then, the project spans almost 30 tracks, so it wont hurt for a few of them to be live :)

[Hadyn]

Anyway, I've sent my FLP to Hadyn, so go ahead a put it down as a collab for right now.

Heyyyyy, you don't need to put it down as a collab ^^;

All i'm doing really is trying to give you ideas, or show you ideas I had in mind - you're still doing all the hard work :P

If anything, you can add a "mastered by Hadyn" note in the tags, but no need to call it a full collab. You deserve the credit for this!

~Hadyn

[The Joker]

Yeah... I was joking about the Rock thing. I just wanted to use that danged pun so bad. Anyway, About the collab, we'll call it ft. Hadyn thing. So technically a collab, only not to a full extent.

[Sora]

fu**ing awesome Ichi. Did I mention this is my fav track on this project so far? (well, besides Beatdrop's song) :wink: love the piano.

[Navi]

Whenever I hear the source tune I can't help but picture someone beatboxing. *lol*

Just a quick note, if anyone needs a "beatboxing" drum kit, I have one that I recorded myself that is nice and clean.

[Holy Warrior Azar]

I will admit that I most certainly biased towards rock music, and while I would love guitars in just about everything, I dont think it will be the case here. This one looks like it will get balanced between the two more so than Hedgehog Heaven seeing as how many disliked all the "techno" on that one.

I still wish somebody would do a rock version of sky sanctuary. I would have but I dont own an eletric guitar, and a acoustic version just wouldnt have the same effect. :wink:

[Sora]

I really didn't think that there were a lot of trance songs on H.H.. maybe cause I like trance but that's just my opinion. (forgot to respond to Haydn's C.N. mix)
I really like the way it's heading. I'd like the drums to be a little more distingushied though. :wink: edit: (little too much distortion I mean)

[Sir_NutS]

I was talking with my collab partner on our hidden palace mix. So far I've offered WIPs on my part, but since the piano sections will be played by my partner most of the stuff you heard maybe its gonna be changed or modified. We should start working together soon(as soon as I get off my lazy ass)
Expect some cool dream trance out of this :wink:

[Hadyn]

Whenever I hear the source tune I can't help but picture someone beatboxing. *lol*

Just a quick note, if anyone needs a "beatboxing" drum kit, I have one that I recorded myself that is nice and clean.

Actually, that sounds cool. Could I get that off of you?

[SnappleMan]

Harr harr, more ROCK stuff, I just got Norrin Radd onboard, he's no fully decided yet. Chances are he'll be doing a collaboration with me on another track.

UPDATE-

Norrin Radd will be collaborating with me on Lava Reef zone. And we're also combining it with Hidden Palace, since they're pretty much the same zone anyway.

[The Joker]

So we're back to making Lava Reef/Hidden Palace a single song now? I mean between Nuts' mix & Snapple's idea, that seems to be the answer. If so just announce it so I can stop working on my Hidden Palace exclusive mix.

[SnappleMan]

So we're back to making Lava Reef/Hidden Palace a single song now? I mean between Nuts' mix & Snapple's idea, that seems to be the answer. If so just announce it so I can stop working on my Hidden Palace exclusive mix.

Well, it's only natural progression. The two songs are back to back, and are pretty much the same song only arrangements of one another. I'm planning to have a nice seperation of the two, so it's not just one structure.

As much as I like to trash my own work (for good reason most of the time), I'm honestly putting out 1000% towards making the stuff I do on this album the best I can possibly do. I expect everyone else to do the same :)! And so far, I'm happy to say that I'm seeing it happen! Alot of you are being very critical of not only eachothers, but your own individual work, and that's the absolute most important thing this project needs!

Keep up the good work people!

[ellywu2]

looks like i'll choose a different track, i'll have a look at the list again.

[Rexy]

sounds like a firm idea Snapple, but what if people prefer to hear the lava reef and hidden palace interpretations as separate MP3s? o_O

[EDIT: While I'm here, I'm saying that after my exams are clear (May 9th) I will spend some time polishing up most of my work-in-progress mixes as well as steadily work on some piano backlogs to gradually submit over the vacation. In that case, I want you to put me in for a big, BIG maybe on the Competition Menu. Please? ;)]

[Hadyn]

sounds like a firm idea Snapple, but what if people prefer to hear the lava reef and hidden palace interpretations as separate MP3s? o_O


Yeah.

I, for example, have a strong belief that they should be split into seperate mixes...

[Bren]

Im working on a new mix. I might actually set egg stadium aside for now and focus more on this, because I like how its turning out alot more. Ill post it up once Its far enough in progress (which will be very soon to say the least)

[Murmeli Walan]

sounds like a firm idea Snapple, but what if people prefer to hear the lava reef and hidden palace interpretations as separate MP3s? o_O


Yeah.

I, for example, have a strong belief that they should be split into seperate mixes...

Actually, I believe the same thing.

How about this? Snapple does the Lava Reef/Hidden Palace mix, and Joker does the exclusive Hidden Palace mix.

Would it really be that bad to hear the same track done twice?

[Terial]

any clue as to where Rayza has been? I haven't seen much from him since the deadline. :?

[Rexy]

How about this? Snapple does the Lava Reef/Hidden Palace mix, and Joker does the exclusive Hidden Palace mix.
What would Sir Nuts think? :whatevaa:

[Murmeli Walan]

How about this? Snapple does the Lava Reef/Hidden Palace mix, and Joker does the exclusive Hidden Palace mix.
What would Sir Nuts think? :whatevaa:

You're right. It would be unfair to have two versions of the same track, but not of other tracks.

The number of remixers involved in this project is getting so large, maybe there should be a "Plutonium Edition" like with RoFL.

[Rexy]

no, I meant that Nuts was the other person working on Hidden Palace :P Given KFC's front page commentary I thought that he and his collab partner seem to stand a better chance on getting on the project at this moment in time.

[ellywu2]

Hey everyone, just showing you a quick WIP of carnival nights. Its Hadyn's track. I asked him if i could do the drums for him, and he said yes :)
Obviously there are a few issues here

.The strings are a bit too loud.
.Some of the Drums need just a little bit more EQing, specially in the high ends.
.Some of the hi-hats and crashes need to go.

Enjoy so far! We should have more for you guys soon :)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/carpetmonstermusic.htm

[Bren]

Cool stuff. Im liking it alot. Not much crit for me right now, as Ive been awake for almost 20 hours and my judgement probably isnt very good. Anywho, the first WIP for the new mix is done, and here is the link for it. (told you it would be a quick one)

New mix, new title: Inside the Mind of an Evil Genius (http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/bbennett/Inside%20the%20Mind%20of%20an%20Evil%20Genius.mp3)

[SnappleMan]

Well, I look at it this way, Lava Reef and Hidden palace are the same song, just different arrangements of the same composition, just like any other zone. But, I think Norrin (he'll be doing most of the work on the track, I'm just laying down drums for him) will not mind leading one into the other, like I am with Final Boss/Doomsday, and release it as two tracks.

[Rexy]

yeah, that can be fair but I think the reason why they are defined as seperate is because they have totally different melody lines in spite of sharing the same syncopated synth background motif. Interesting that you both will manage to adapt to the one-track-lead-into-another approach, just in case :)

[Hadyn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the only thing they have in common is one background synth, and that does not constitute them being the same song...

That's my opinion, anyway. I just have no idea why people think they're the same... The chord progression, the mood, the everything - it's so different between the two ^^;

[Hadyn]

Hey everyone, just showing you a quick WIP of carnival nights. Its Hadyn's track. I asked him if i could do the drums for him, and he said yes :)
Obviously there are a few issues here

.The strings are a bit too loud.
.Some of the Drums need just a little bit more EQing, specially in the high ends.
.Some of the hi-hats and crashes need to go.

Enjoy so far! We should have more for you guys soon :)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/carpetmonstermusic.htm

Oh, and yeah, awesome work so far mate :D

[Siamey]

hey so does that mean that my song cant be in the project, cause its not on the front list?

i thought the first wip deadline was like may 9th, and thats when i had mine up

[Antipode]

It said he'd update as he relistened, and there's quite a bit to go through, so I'm not too worried. There's still like five or so not up anyhow.

[Mr. Fox]

Note - I might not be here for awhile, I'm having computer problems.

[The Joker]

You know, I have %100 confidence that my Hidden Palace mix would stand up really well to both Nuts & Snapples mixes. It's just theres so many soundfonts & compositonal things it's been taking forever to render. I keep aborting in the middle cause I keep having to do things with my comp. I'll probably end up exporting each individual track into a wav file then compiling the song with my seldom used audio mixer. But I'll keep trying to get it uoploaded.

And I completely agree on Hidden Palace & Lave Reef being two very different songs. Kinda like a Movie OST has a common theme but different takes on said theme. My Hidden Palace mix is more like an adventure movie set in a Mayan temple. While I could see Lava Reef as a rock mix, I just don't see Hidden Palace as one. It's more ambient & groove based. A guitar situated with eihter a trace like or symphonic like instumentation would be more suiting IMO.

P.S On a side note I'd be more than willing to send a zipped file to anyone who thinks their computer could render it faster than my own. Provided you use FL studio 5.

[SnappleMan]

Okay people, I know this is moving a bit fast, but we got some more people signing up to do tracks. No names till they decide if they're in or not.

I'm confident that we'll get a nice assortment of styles and genres, and since we are getting a wide variety of people (not just OCR regulars), I'm also confident in a good turnout of songs.

I'd like to ask the people who have something completed (WIP or finished song) to send it to me on AIM (SNKFreak) over the course of the week. I'd like to know where the project stands as a whole, so we can work towards starting an official project thread in the Site Projects forum as soon as possible.

Also, it would be really cool if we can all arrange some kind of group chat sessions, either on IRC, AIM or whatever else is accessible to most of us. That way, we can all exchange tracks in private, comment on eachothers work, and not have everything out in the open for the whole world to see and hear our music before it's even completed.

Anyone with ideas, questions, or threats should PM me or contact me on AIM.

[Kanjika]

You know, I have %100 confidence that my Hidden Palace mix would stand up really well to both Nuts & Snapples mixes. It's just theres so many soundfonts & compositonal things it's been taking forever to render. I keep aborting in the middle cause I keep having to do things with my comp. I'll probably end up exporting each individual track into a wav file then compiling the song with my seldom used audio mixer. But I'll keep trying to get it uoploaded.

And I completely agree on Hidden Palace & Lave Reef being two very different songs. Kinda like a Movie OST has a common theme but different takes on said theme. My Hidden Palace mix is more like an adventure movie set in a Mayan temple. While I could see Lava Reef as a rock mix, I just don't see Hidden Palace as one. It's more ambient & groove based. A guitar situated with eihter a trace like or symphonic like instumentation would be more suiting IMO.

P.S On a side note I'd be more than willing to send a zipped file to anyone who thinks their computer could render it faster than my own. Provided you use FL studio 5.

Just record the song...hit the little record button on the bottom of the FL mixer, save the file, press the record button next to the play button at the top and let the song play though. Rendering sucks if you use lots of samples and stuff.

[Sora]

I'd like to ask the people who have something completed (WIP or finished song) to send it to me on AIM (SNKFreak) over the course of the week. I'd like to know where the project stands as a whole, so we can work towards starting an official project thread in the Site Projects forum as soon as possible.

Also, it would be really cool if we can all arrange some kind of group chat sessions, either on IRC, AIM or whatever else is accessible to most of us. That way, we can all exchange tracks in private, comment on eachothers work, and not have everything out in the open for the whole world to see and hear our music before it's even completed.

Anyone with ideas, questions, or threats should PM me or contact me on AIM.

I was thinking the same thing. All I have is MSN but I'm usually not on. We also have a private forum([seems to have died])(the link is always in my sig). As for sending you the WIP/remix, I'll just give you a link sometime later this week.

[Upthorn]

Wow. A lot happened while I was without net access for a week.

I couldn't even find the thread at first. For a second, I was scared it got locked and deleted.

Anyway, after a lot of thought and effort, I have come to the conclusion that should have been obvious before I even started:

I'm not good enough to do this song justice. Every time I try to fix a problem, the song comes out worse for the effort. So I would like to announce that I am no longer working on Sky Sanctuary. (After all the fuss I made to get Sith to put me on the front page.)

I'll still be hanging around the thread providing WIP commentary, though. Until I get chased off with pitchforks.

[SnappleMan]

Hmm, I made a post but my system must have fucked up cuz it's not here.

Anyway, my friend MaJiN GeoDooD is offering his services to aid the project. He's a great guitarist, plays clean guitar very well, distorted very well, and has great tone.

If you need some guitar work done (maybe some little riff to make your song sound cooler, or a nice clean section to add dynamics and style) don't hesitate to ask him! You can contact him on AIM at MaJiN GeoDooD, or by the same name on the OCR IRC channel (#ocremix).

[The Joker]

Alright. I ended up making a wav of the xylophones I was using in the Hidden Palace mix. I got it to render a lot quicker because of it. Here is the link:
http://joker.paletteswap.com/Remixes/S3&K%20-%20Joker%20-%20Beyond%20The%20Horizon.mp3

I originally wasn't gonna post it, but decided what the heck.

[Hadyn]

So this is where I'm at:

Final Boss: No major changes since last update, but it shouldn't take long to finsih it as my computer's a little faster now I've learnt how to properly use edirol :P

I might have this one finished this weekend.

Carnival Night with ellywu2: He's going to send the flp back my way, and i'll probably get most of my work done this weekend, then it'll be upto him to finsish the drum work and we'll both add our finishing touches.

Probably be done within a fortnight from now.

Death Egg with Joker: I've done a few things very quickly with this one, but much more work needs to be done, particularly to make the the piano part sound smoother and, well, better than FL Keys is making it sound. I haven't talked with Joker about this yet, but it might be an idea to get a third-party involved to help out with the piano, and I would love to get some female vocals down for the background, but yeah. That's all up to Joker, it's his song :)

This one could take a while, maybe a month.

Credits with Sora: Sora recently asked me to help him with the EQ work on his mix, but there are a few other changes i'd like to help him with too, if he agrees to it. I wont start this one for another week or two, but it's definitely something i would like to help him with :)

If I end up doing as much work as I think on this one, it could be a month to a month and a half away.

[Mr. Bottle Rocket]

80 pages in so little time, goddamn it's almost reminiscient of unmod, when the heck is thing being moved to the project forum?

[Hadyn]

When it's ready.

[Sora]

whooo Hadyn sure is getting up there in his status as a remixer. *claps* anyway, do whatever you want with the song, I like your style and I'm sure it'll come out better for the project. :wink:

[SnappleMan]

80 pages in so little time, goddamn it's almost reminiscient of unmod, when the heck is thing being moved to the project forum?

Actually, this is not gonna remain the project topic. We'll start a new topic in the project section when the project is ready. This topic is like, 70+ pages of bullshit at 10 pages of usefull stuff, so we'll just bring it into the project forum and lock it for referance.

[UltimateSonicFan]

Did I miss something? KFC still hasn't PMed me or posted anything in a long time. Is he gone?

[hobo]

He's having computer problems.

[Antipode]

80 pages in so little time, goddamn it's almost reminiscient of unmod, when the heck is thing being moved to the project forum?

Actually, this is not gonna remain the project topic. We'll start a new topic in the project section when the project is ready. This topic is like, 70+ pages of bullshit at 10 pages of usefull stuff, so we'll just bring it into the project forum and lock it for referance.

Exactly, I was thinking about just that - this stuff isn't exactly the sort of thing we'd want to represent the project, in my opinion.

[hobo]

All these WIPs are sounding fantastic! Keep it up!

(Sorry I can't give much in the way of technical advice. If I knew that sort of stuff I'd be helping the project.)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Greetings, everyone I am currently not at home and am giving you this message, that the computer trouble is dying down. Hopefully, I will be back in 4 days, but nothing is promised. Just letting you know that I'm not dead. Keep up the good work.

[Sora]

drats he's still alive
I mean...good to hear from you :lol:

[Vilecat]

KFC sounds like an answering machine o__o;

[Xenon Odyssey]

8O

Crap he's coming back

*starts working on mix again*

[Rexy]

KFC sounds like an answering machine o__o;
KS! :lol:

Eh... yeah. I'm still messing around with ideas on my work; hopefully my academic studies will be over by Monday, leaving me with some more time to concentrate before heading home. I haven't abandoned this place yet :)

[SnappleMan]

Well, everyone has decided on a song, people are working hard, and things are looking good.

It looks like we're ready to go official, so I'll talk to the mods tomorrow and see if they agree.

[GaMeBoX]

Hey snapple. Didnt you say something about you and someone doin a collab on lava-reef ? What happened with that ?

[jmr]

www.rayza.net/misc/jmr-ee-may3.mp3
(Once again, thanks Rayza.)

I scrapped my 'Race Results' ending, and went back to an older (and unreleased) ending. Also, there has been a LOT of tweaking on the main synths.

Check out the WIP thread on ocrp.kazorum.com/
(http://ocrp.kazorum.com/ocrp-post-128.html#128)

[DarkeSword]

Moved to Site Projects and locked.

A new thread with a fresh start will be made by SnappleMan.

New Thread:
http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=57395

Lock and leave....forever!!!

[SnappleMan]

Greetings!

This is the official thread of the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Knuckles Arrangement Project, "Project Chaos".

DJPretzel has recommended that I hold the release off until this weekend so he can get some things done right. I've taken his advice and we will be releasing the project most likely on Sunday. Just a while longer, people!

Project Is Ready For Release
I've been waiting on track info and other small things, but it looks like some people have just forgotten or whatever else. I'm releasing the project without track info, and without album art. These will be added with time after the release. I don't think it's fair to hold the project as long as I have just because certain people don't respond.

Regardless, the project is set for release this Thursday, November 16th. Thanks for waiting so far!

Our teaser site (http://s3k.ouiche.fr/) is up! Here we will post demos, unused tracks and other bonus songs that wont be on the album! ENJOY!

------------------------------------------------------
Final Preperations:
This is the last update till project release. All tracks are now to be considered finished. I will be contacting whoever has yet to give me a title for their song, or information on their song.

Format Change:
For the website, I've changed my mind. Hadyn informed me that it would be better to simply have a writeup for each song, not full artist bios. Those who gave me all the stuff I previously asked for, thank you, I will only use what I feel is necessary. To the others who haven't yet given me anything, I will now be asking only for a writeup of your song.


Tracklisting:


Main Soundtrack

Disc 1

1. Title Screen - SnappleMan - Sonic the Hedgehog and Knuckles

2. Data Select - KungFuChicken! - The Wait is Over!

3. Angel Island Zone - Rexy - Divided from Grace

4. Boss 1 (S3 version) - Daniel Baranowsky - Caution: Echidnas May Eat Your Brain

5. Hydrocity - housethegrate - Walk on Water

6. Marble Garden - Daniel Baranowsky - Knuckleduster

7. Carnival Night - Hadyn - Three Ring Nightfall

8. IceCap - Hetcenus - That Freezing Feeling

9. Launch Base - Gecko Yamori - Elevator Music

10. Boss 1 (S&K version) - GaMeBoX - Robotnik Radio

Disc 2

1. Mushroom Hill - GaMeBoX - iMushroom

2. Flying Battery - SnappleMan - Dead Batteries

3. Sandopolis - BrainCells - Live at the Sandopolis

4. Lava Reef - Rexy, Hetcenus - Beneath the Ashes

5. Hidden Palace - Kanjika

6. Sky Santuary - Kanjika

7. Boss 2 - BrainCells, SnappleMan - Scrambled Eggman

8. Death Egg - The Joker - Before the Storm

9. Final Boss - SnappleMan - Malicious Fingers

10. Doomsday - SnappleMan, Ashane, norg - The Doomsday

11. Ending Credits (S3 version) - Red Tailed Fox - So Long, and Thanks for All the...


Special Disc

1. Special Stage - chthonic - Red Sphere, Blue Sphere

2. Competition Menu - Rexy - Schumacher Bar

3. Azure Lake Competition - Ross Kmet - Momentary Standstill

4. Balloon Park Competition - Ichitootah - Helium Stairways

5. Chrome Gadget Competition - Hetcenus - Ivory Gadget

6. Desert Palace Competition - The Joker - Heat Blur

7. Endless Mine Competition - jmr - Eternal Excavation

8. Rayza - Azure Lake (bonus)

9. AkumajoBelmont - Water on the Dancefloor (bonus)

10. Hadyn - Heads Up for Tails (bonus)

11. Kanjika - Credits (bonus)

12. Gamebox - Ice Cap 4 Life (bonus)

13. Kanjika - Hydrochill (bonus)

14. Xenon Odyssey - Lava Passion (bonus)

[jmr]

Well, since the old thread has been locked, I'll re-post my WIP here...
www.rayza.net/misc/jmr-ee-may3.mp3
(Once again, thanks Rayza.)

I scrapped my 'Race Results' ending, and went back to an older (and unreleased) ending. Also, there has been a LOT of tweaking on the main synths.

Check out the WIP thread on ocrp.kazorum.com/ (http://ocrp.kazorum.com/ocrp-post-128.html#128)

[Vilecat]

And when i was looking for the thread in GenDisc, heh.

Congrats guys! This is a new -important?- step towards completion. I wish you the best of luck... as if you needed any :roll:

[GaMeBoX]

Ok, good, i was waiting for you to appear on the list. Take me off lava reef and ice cap. I feel i got enough with mushroom hill and the final two tests in school before the summer.

[Sora]

Beatdrop left... that is like the most crippling blow to this project yet... I was sure his mix was gonna be great... ah well, I dropped Sky Sanctuary. It was useless for me to try and keep going. Unless I get some major motivation on it after I finish Staff Roll. Speaking of Staff Roll, put me down as "colab" with Haydn, since he has some major plans to fix the whole song :lol: there's a lot of collabs going down on this project. It's good because 2 heads are better than one. :wink:

[Holy Warrior Azar]

Beatdrop left... that is like the most crippling blow to this project yet... I was sure his mix was gonna be great... ah well, I dropped Sky Sanctuary. It was useless for me to try and keep going. Unless I get some major motivation on it after I finish Staff Roll. Speaking of Staff Roll, put me down as "colab" with Haydn, since he has some major plans to fix the whole song :lol: there's a lot of collabs going down on this project. It's good because 2 heads are better than one. :wink:

While I'm not rejoicing at the leave of Beatdrop, Master Hatchet will no doubt do a fine job with the track. As with zyko and housethegrate suddenly appearing out of nowhere, which I'm sure is going to rock. :wink:

[Eon_Blue]

Shit, beatdrop was worried about not making it? I was gonna take that track at the start...

[SnappleMan]

Well, I don't see it as a big loss (no disrespect to Beatdrop). We lost one member, but gained one more (BrainCells).

So far, I'm 100% satisfied with how things are going so far. If everyone on here does their best and finishes their work, this should be the most varied, and musically advanced site project to date.

[Antipode]

It just occurred to me how much selection there will be for each track. It's good that we can narrow it down to the ones that most fit the project.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Excellent, site projects. I'm back in action people (though I'm doing gigs on Saturday and Sunday is Mother's Day).

[Upthorn]

Just checked in, and the first post is wrong, I dropped Sky Sanctuary. It got to the point where I'd made it as good as I can with my current skills, and it still sounded like crap.

I made a post to that effect in the previous thread, but I guess it got overlooked.

It's just as well, because this gives me the opportunity to offer the project file to anyone who liked what I was doing with it, but is better.

(the song is at http://upthorn.mspencer.net/temp/fordownloading/SanctuaryShortMK2.mp3)

The first part is too simple, the last part has too many instruments, and both of the bass harmonies are discordant, despite essentially being ripped straight from the original.

Also, it needs a beat.
Anyway, if anyone has fruity loops and wants to take a shot at fixing it up and submitting it, just gimme a PM and I'll send a link to the flp.

I know Kanjika's is good, but I'd like someone else to take a crack at it, too.

[DarkeSword]

KFC has been added to Site Project Coordinators.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

KFC has been added to Site Project Coordinators.

Good shot. Thanks.

[-RK-]

Alright, new thread and new fourm. Nice and clean. :lol:

[Ichitootah]

Is somebody going to edit in or repost that "of quality" listing from the last thread?

I think that's pretty critical information for those of us not sure we'll get on the project.

[SnappleMan]

I'll leave that to KFC.

I also have another matter to talk about.

I'm thinking we do a double album set. (hear me out befora ya lynch me :) )

I think it would be cool if we put all the main game music on "part 1" of the album, and all the competition songs on "part 2". The main reason for suggesting this, is cuz I wanna include the better "losing" tracks. Like, if two people are doing the same song, and the end results are different styles, and both are good, we should include the losing track. Not only to give more people credit for their hard work, but also to give the listeners more than one style of a song they may really like.

Reply and tell me what you think.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ichi - Monday

Snap, I was JUST about to suggest that too. That is a great idea.

[Antipode]

So you're saying that on one disc there will be the ones of highest quality plus ones that "tied" in quality due to different styles, and on the other disc will be the other pieces that tied along with the competition pieces? That's sounding pretty good to me.

[PassivePretentiousness]

if you want to destroy any element of competition, ok.

[Ichitootah]

Why even vote on the tracks then? If all tracks are to be included, I don't even think that there should be "winning" and "losing" ones. What's the point? If we want people to listen to both tracks equally, labeling one as better isn't a very good idea.

[Jivemaster]

I think DarfaceX and Ichitootah have a point. It's not a huge loss to the losers if their mixes are not included in the final product - they can always submit their mix to OCR as a stand-alone track if it does not succeed anyway. Otherwise the final product may be asking for unwanted criticism in regard to which song is better and which song should have been included as the main track on the album and so on. Plus, this will also result in some songs getting much more coverage than others, making the whole thing unbalanced.

Strong competition needs to be in place to fuel exceptional music, and if any of the mixers know that their mix isn't quite good enough, they will rest easy knowing that it could be included anyway and could slack off rather than driving through the problem and trying to surpass the other contenders with more creativity. In my eyes any project needs to have a definite and clear-cut track list with no B-sides or whatever.

-Jive

[GaMeBoX]

I dont see the point in including the songs that didnt make it. It would ruin how we look at the project i think. Since it started there has been this competition aspect, so why change it now? Bad idea in my eyes.

BTW, why does it say two parts on sandopolis? is that one supposed to get two songs(/or acts), while no other tracks gets two ? sounds wierd to me...

[The Joker]

I actually like that idea. You know, it'd not as though it's a competition. For some odd reason the projects just took on a role of competition becasue... I don't know why. These things are community projects. And I think you all missed a point. The only mixes that will be on the project are the top quality ones. That means that even if there are only 2 mixes of a given song, if yours isn't good enough in the first place, it won't be on period. So you still have to have an exceptional mix to be included.

How many projects in the past have you seen that had duplicate tracks that didn't make it yet you still wanted to hear, or have heard & it's kicked buttockles?

[Jivemaster]

Well the way the project has been set up has made it a competition. Maybe if remixers were originally screened for quality at the beginning of the project and only one per mix was allocated after this process it would have avoided the problem.

In addition, I was not at all implying that crap tracks will end up being included in the final product - that's common sense and I didn't think that needed to be stated. I just said that I believe the project needs to have a single mix for each song and that's it (for the reasons stated above).

-Jive

[hobo]

Hooray, Site Projects at last! I'm glad you decided to make a new thread rather than just transfer the old one.

[Dryer Lint]

I noticed something odd about projects like this one:

Very few remixers post their WIPs in the WIP forum.

Is there a specific reason for that?

Because I think you would get much more feedback that way and the thread would be less cluttered.

That way, there would be only "new WIP"-announcements and discussion on the project itself in this thread.



(Note: I posted this very same post in the SSF2 thread, I hope you aren't offended by my blatant across-topics-double-post™ :wink: )

[Rexy]

I have no idea what's with the 2-part sandopolis gesture either, but it sounds interesting :)

Anyhow, yeah. I don't know how long it may be before I'd be able to put up a new WIP but I'm working on ideas. Given that my exams will be over by monday that'll leave me with more time to work on it... providing my two mix revisions and contest entry for RPGamer's "Splendid Performance" contest don't get in the way. 8O

And... what happened to AkumajoBelmont? Did I miss something?

[Dryer Lint]

And... what happened to AkumajoBelmont? Did I miss something?

He left, because he wasn't satisfied with his WIP.
Red Tailed Fox left as well, but there are still 3 remixers for Hydro City, so I guess everything is fine... or something. :?

[SnappleMan]

No no no, you all misread me. I mean in the case that some songs are extremely close (like the debate between track 1 of KiC) if the votes are so close that there is a debate about it, we can include both versions. The official album version, and the alternate track as a "bonus"

[SnappleMan]

And about the two part sandopolis:

Zyko and I have been wanting to collaborate for a long time now, so I presented him with Sandopolis (this was before I assumed the role of co-director). We both agreed on it, and I went to check on what DarkeSword was doing with the track. I liked what he had, and didn't know if I wanted to go through with the Zyko collab since I was already doing so many other things on here.

Well, I proposed a solution for everyone! DarkeSword will work on his Sandopolis (I offered to play guitar for him), and that will be part one of the song. Part two will be done by Zyko and BrainCells.

Think of it as one song done by 4 people. The two parts we have planned will mix together in one very nice piece.

So yeah, it's one song, split into two parts, done by 4 people.

[Upthorn]

If the two parts are meant to mix nicely, it might be best to combine them into one track.

[Rexy]

Four-part collabs are definitely tickling my fingers already; best of luck to that one :D

[SnappleMan]

If the two parts are meant to mix nicely, it might be best to combine them into one track.

We might do that, depending on how it works out.

[BrainCells]

Yay, this is going to be a great project!
Thanks a lot for calling me, Snap. Also, it's great to finally collab with Zyko (we've been planning this for months).

[SnappleMan]

Good to have you onboard, my friend!

Hah, I have high hopes for this project INDEED!

Oh, by the way, you might wanna try using AIM more often ;) I got stuff to send you!

[Hadyn]

Yeop, I'm happy with all these ideas.

Sorry guys, but i've been a lot busier than I expected in the last week, and haven't made any progress since last time I posted.

I'll try to find some motivation and get some serious work done this weekend.

~Hadyn

[SnappleMan]

Well, you all got plenty of time for the deadline. We'll take as much time as we need to get this thing sounding perfect.

[Rexy]

You think? :P Well I only have 3 weeks left on the college campus to come up with the finished product on my end. No worries, I'm sure something will come out of it, heh.

[Nineko]

as I said, you know I can't remix but feel free to ask me any kind of help. I love this soundtrack and I really hope I can be useful in some way.

regards.

[hobo]

The same goes for me.

[Sir_NutS]

Just to say that I and my collab partner are working on the hidden palace mix. As I said though, I'm not posting too many WIPs, but be sure that it will be no less that great.
Just to let you know we're have been working on it :wink: . Oh and nice work, Site projects at last.

[Kanjika]

I thought the project was gone since i didnt see the old thread...ive been gone for awhile.

Im going to start a Sandopolis wip, and i MIGHT drop icecap and try flying battery (but its unlikely until i get one of these songs completley done). Im still definitley doing the credits and sanctuary, and sandopolis too. Ive been off the computer for a week so im going crazy composing crap :twisted:

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I think we should release the songs that made it in the MAIN album, and like a little bit later, release like Bonus cuts that did not make it to the album, but are good in there own right.

Oh, and Marble Garden is now free, and I picked up a few tracks.

[The Joker]

I too am working on my mixes. I'm still waiting on hadyn as far as the Death Egg is concerned, & I'm stuck trying to figure out just how to take my Hidden Palace mix into the symphonica zone. So yeah, I'm working on it.

P.S. If anyones good at adding light electronica spices & uses FL5, I'd really like any help on Hidden Palace you could give me. Just PM me if you want. I still be racking (rack... giggles) my brain.

[Hadyn]

I'm still waiting on hadyn as far as the Death Egg is concerned

Sorry about death-egg man, I want to try and get Final Boss and Carnival Night out of the way first, and I've been lazy even with them. I'll try and get them done soon, then I'll try some more stuff with Death Egg.

Like I said, though, It doesn't nessecarily have to be a full on collaborative effort, I just wanted to give you some ideas. I'll try to work more on what i've got, but I think you should work on your own ideas too :)

[GaMeBoX]

Hers a new updated snapshot on my wip. Its developing in a very slow pace at the moment. Dont take the final section to serious at the time being. The melody sounds will probably be switched later. And that break is only temporary to... basicly, dont take much of this to serious, if you got any constructive comments on it, please, post them on the wip page instead of here.

link:
http://www.vgmix.com/song_view.php?song_id=3683

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Although it's a really rough WIP, you already know what I think about it. It's awesome.

[Omatic]

Hey, I've been watching the project for a while, and it's really exciting that one of my favorite classics is gonna have it's own arrangement project. Anyway, I don't know if this will help anyone this far in the process, but I found a site that has the enitre S&K/S3 soundtrack on it in MP3 format, located here:

http://www.planetdreamcast.com/sonic/listen/sonic3k.shtml

The only catch is that you have to go through Gamespy to download the mp3s. If anyone doesn't want to go through all that, I have the entire thing on PC for anyone who needs it. Good luck guys!

[KyleJCrb]

This is looking to be the most promising OCR site project yet. Excellent work by KFC and Snap to get this all set up. I look forward to the final product; I'm sure it will live up to the awesomeness of the original soundtrack and do it justice. :)

Now, can someone PLEASE pick up Marble Garden? :P

[SnappleMan]

I added some new info in the announcements section of the main information post. Check that section normally for any new info.

[Rexy]

This is looking to be the most promising OCR site project yet. Excellent work by KFC and Snap to get this all set up. I look forward to the final product; I'm sure it will live up to the awesomeness of the original soundtrack and do it justice. :)

Now, can someone PLEASE pick up Marble Garden? :P
Unless you want more Sonic piano, it's a bit of a no-show for me I'm afraid :( But yeah, we can do with someone to help out on that field.

Come to think of it that would have suited AkumajoBelmont quite well o.O

[Nineko]

Now, can someone PLEASE pick up Marble Garden? :PI have some nice ideas about arrangements that can be made upon this tune, but (you all already know) I'm not a remixer so I need at least one experienced partner.

[Kanjika]

Well ive pretty much decided that my Sky Sanctuary WIP is complete, but it might need a little polishing. My sandopolis WIP is the BEST yet by far!

I MAY try marblegarden and drop icecap(im not worried about Flying battery anymore), or i might try 4 songs....hmm

[Ionyze]

So Beatdrop is just dropping his efforts because he might not make the album? His song was my favorite WIP by far. Sounds like an overreaction.

Anyway, I have some input on the format of these album projects. We waited for years for the Sonic 2 collab to finally come together. The results were mixed. There were definitely some gems, but others were filler-grade. Instead of sticking to the "one track per song" quota, why not measure them by quality? It looked like there would be two awesome Battery Zone remixes. Wouldn't it be better to have two awesome remixes from one song than a filler-grade cover of a separate track?