Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Project Chaos - History

[Hadyn]

Still no word from Ellywu2... which is a little upsetting, cause I *really* want my carnival night mix to be on this project.

[Claado Shou]

That's really cool. When do you leave for Basic Training (boot camp)? What's your rating?

December 28th, 2005. I'm a Cryptologic Technician (Collective), or CTR. I'm hoping for a CTI position to open up before then, which is the Interpretive aspect of Cryptology.

In the meantime, I'm working for Amazon.com. Go me.

Nice. I'm a Nuke (MM3 for now), if you know what that is, and considering that you're a Crypto, I'm sure you do. That's really great, dude. You'll love it.

Oh, and go team Sonic! Blue-skinned lightning-speed midget furries never had it so good. :)

~.C.S.~

[hobo]

Just as a random fact, yesterday was Sonic's 14th birthday.

[SnappleMan]

I DO use MSN...

And Beatdrop, my intention was not to make you appear as an elitist or anything, I apologise if you feel like you were mis-represented. I must admit, I wasn't really 100% clear on the matter. So again, I hope you'll accept my apology.


And yeah, people, I am on MSN, AndyDash@hotmail.com.

I have a few of you on there! you just never respond!

[analoq]

as was alluded to earlier, i've decided to open up Ice Cap to whomever wants to take it.

however, if i am able to produce a remix in time, i'll be glad to compete with whomever will be taking my place.

ice cap is free
and, further apologies.
cheers.

[Hadyn]

Does anyone here know ellywu2 personally? Does anyone keep in contact with him?

I really want my flp...

[The Joker]

Hmmm.. I too was wondering how the collab between you two was going. It sounded like it could go on to be fantastical. Though if your still up for it, I'd still like to collab on Death Egg.

[Hadyn]

Hehe, yeah. I thought I PM'ed you about that? You can e-mail me the .flp ( hadynlander@hotmail.com ), and if I get a chance I'll work on it.

At this stage I won't make any promises because I'm worried I'll fall short of them, but I will try to do what I can.

[DJ Nova]

Um, Hi

It's been a while since I posted anything here, but I still haven't really gotten any feedback on my Doomsday mix(es) So here i go again:

2 versions, one with conga's one without, since I couldn't decide wether to keep them or drop them...

http://home.planet.nl/~hofm0200/s3doomsday(novamix).mp3
Conga's

http://home.planet.nl/~hofm0200/s3doomsday(novamix2nocongas).mp3
No conga's

Please give some comments..I feel my mixes are quite crappy so I need to know how to fix them :oops:

[carra]

It's been a while since I posted anything here, but I still haven't really gotten any feedback on my Doomsday mix(es)

Wrong!! I did write about them on page 16 (yes, that's a while ago). I'll refresh your memory:

Now that I read the Doomsday thing, I realized that DJ Nova's song is mistitled, since it's actually a remix of Final Boss. Oh, and now that I'm talking about this song I'll tell you 2 things Nova:

- I prefer it without congas :wink:
- I like it overall, but I find the transition from about 1:30 to 2:00 too slow.

[DJ Nova]

It's been a while since I posted anything here, but I still haven't really gotten any feedback on my Doomsday mix(es)

Wrong!! I did write about them on page 16 (yes, that's a while ago). I'll refresh your memory:



whoops sorry I missed that - but thanks for the comments, I'll see what I can do right away!

And about the title...isn't the Final Boss music called "Doomsday Part 2" ?

[Sir_NutS]

Just to say I haven't quit on this. I just haven't made progress because of lack of time. I will try to have new demos this weekend.

[Eon_Blue]

Whoa, holy jesus. I missed the part where I was being called stubborn and an elitist prick. What Snapple Man failed to mention is the main reason I saw it fit to just drop out of this project entirely. I currently have so many things to do, musically and otherwise, that I didn't see any reason to bother competing with someone over a song when the end result could have been that I wasted my time on something with relatively low importance. As it stands, I'm working a full-time job; I'm in the Delayed Entry Program for the U.S. Navy; I'm working on music for an arcade game; I have TWO albums in the works, one of which is two discs; I'm trying to come up with a rock-solid remix to make my long-overdue reappearance on OCR; and all the while I'm also trying to fit in time to have something that remotely resembles a social life. So from where I was standing, it seemed like a much better time to devote my time to things that I KNEW would make a difference in some manner.

I'm still going to finish the remix, I'm just not doing it for this project. And even then, it'll still be months before I have it completed. I'm confident that Hatchet will turn out something great in my stead, especially without having to worry about me competing with him.

So there you have it.

Aww, way to ruin it. It was WAY better when everyone though you were an elitist prick - Now you're just really busy.

Sucks.

Tell Snappleass to get his shit together then. The 'elitist prick' was my comment, based on what he had said.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ugh, I'm still MIA for a while...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ugh, I'm still MIA for a while...

EDIT - New computer!!!! Which means I'm back online full time now starting tommorrow.

[Terial]

Hey DJ Nova, awesome Doomsday Mix ya got goin on there. I love the part at about 3:34 where everything calms down for a second then goes into the ending with an increasing beat. The sound used at the end is awesome!

At 2:15 the synths need to be louder, they feel muffled under everything (unless that's what you're going for lol. I just don't like it)

I don't really know about the Conga's. Both versions are just as awesome. I haven't posted in a while due to the fact that mixes aren't being publicly released, but I found this... =D. Too bad I can't comment on the mixes, it's realy quite fun giving my thoughts.

btw, anyone else extremly excited that you can know play S3&K on the PSP (full framerate and perfect sound to boot!)? I know I have been, been playing it ever since that great emulator was released last saturday ^^.

[Hadyn]

And about the title...isn't the Final Boss music called "Doomsday Part 2" ?

Nope ^^;

You might have an incorrect tracklisting, though.

But yeah, final boss should be called "Final Boss". as far as the game goes, this music plays before the Doomsday theme, and there is nothing after the doomsday theme - no "part 2" at all.

[DJ Nova]

And about the title...isn't the Final Boss music called "Doomsday Part 2" ?

Nope ^^;

You might have an incorrect tracklisting, though.

But yeah, final boss should be called "Final Boss". as far as the game goes, this music plays before the Doomsday theme, and there is nothing after the doomsday theme - no "part 2" at all.

Ok, I'd better change the title then :)

Thanks for your comments Terial. I think I'm gonna drop the conga's since they're a bit useless, they don't really add that much to the track.

[Beatdrop]

And Beatdrop, my intention was not to make you appear as an elitist or anything, I apologise if you feel like you were mis-represented. I must admit, I wasn't really 100% clear on the matter. So again, I hope you'll accept my apology.

Understood; apology accepted. Wasn't blaming you for it or anything, it's just a matter of how it was interpreted by others.

Aww, way to ruin it. It was WAY better when everyone though you were an elitist prick - Now you're just really busy.

Sucks.

Tell Snappleass to get his shit together then. The 'elitist prick' was my comment, based on what he had said.

Er, uh, I guess I'll take that as a retraction of your "elitest prick" statement.

...

EDIT: Oh, and good luck with the remainder of the project, everyone.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I hate you Beatdrop :(

Goodluck on your future works and life! ;)

[Chavous]

Ya, not that I'm missed, but I won't be able to finish my Boss 1 remix. I've changed ways I was doing this project at least 5 times, and none of them were solid enough. For some reason, nothing I tried HAD solid structure, besides rhythm/lead guitar solos. It actually worked pretty well, but it just didn't have "it". I don't know what "it" is, but "it" wasn't there. Sorry, I can't complete it in 3-4 days.

Best of luck to this project!

[Antipode]

Sorry to see you leave. As to my own track, I'm still going. I haven't posted in awhile, but I've taken everyone's comments to heart and have realized several new things about it, and I'm revamping it for another go. The deadline's a'comin'...

[Hadyn]

Is that the boss theme with the James Bond-ish progression?

Hmm....

[Chavous]

If anybody wants to listen to what I ended with, here you go. Happy listening.

Mixdown 4-DJ_Notte (www.funender.com/music/download.php?band_id=5157&song_id=19866&mode=song_hifi)

(right click, save as, sorry.)

Everything played here is recorded live, and I may not be the best solo-er in the world, but I can always re-record.

[Bren]

If anybody wants to listen to what I ended with, here you go. Happy listening.

Mixdown 4-DJ_Notte (www.funender.com/music/download.php?band_id=5157&song_id=19866&mode=song_hifi)

(right click, save as, sorry.)

Everything played here is recorded live, and I may not be the best solo-er in the world, but I can always re-record.

Some message about direct linking forbidden :(

[Chavous]

My bad (damned site....never use funender.com)

Guess it's the old fashioned way....It's called Mixdown 4. (http://www.funender.com/music/bands/5157/music.php)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

My friend, I'm sorry, but I honestly do not like anything about it. Everything sounds pretty crappy, and I can't even catch what song you are trying to do.

[Chavous]

Ya, i know. It was my first attempt at live recording, and, like I said, nothing was really working for me. I had no ideas on this remix. Zilch. Nada. Goose-egg. Kaput.

Everything sounds pretty crappy, and I can't even catch what song you are trying to do.

Which is also another reason I didn't submit it in all seriousness.

[Hetcenus]

HELP :!::!:
I just left the studio where I was going to record my piece, but their soundcard doesn't accept soundfonts... I need someone to do me a BIG favor: export my MIDI to MP3 with a soundfont, until Saturday (the deadline). Whoever has this spare time, just post here or e-mail me, and I will give the links to the MIDI and the soundfont (by the way, a marvelous Steinway soundfont). I really wanted to do it at home, but my soundcard is too old to accept the pedal changes of the MIDI.
Thanks!
P.S.: Unfortunately I will only answer tomorrow, 'cause I gotta study to Physics test. :(

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I'll do it

[Kanjika]

Lol i hope its not that free Steinway B. That thing wont do your track justice!

I could also do it though, becase im not at all busy

[GaMeBoX]

kfc, you got a pm on vgmix...

[Hetcenus]

Lol i hope its not that free Steinway B. That thing wont do your track justice!


I do too but, now that you said, I think it is... -_-

EDIT: I just found it again in the net:
http://www.pianosounds.com/freesoundfont.htm
It`s a Steinway Model-C (7foot,5inch) grand piano.

[krispy]

Look, I have a nice piano sample, I will do it.

[Hetcenus]

I sent the MIDI to KFC already, but thank you, Kanjika and Krispy, anyway.
Good to see we can count on a lot of people. That's the spirit of a site project!

[krispy]

I'm just saying, I have a professional setup if you want the extra polish.

[Hadyn]

I would take Krispy up on that offer, Hetcenus. He's pretty damn good. Kanjika, too.

Then again, KFC might be good too, I just haven't heard any of his music.

[SnappleMan]

I would take Krispy up on that offer, Hetcenus. He's pretty damn good. Kanjika, too.

Then again, KFC might be good too, I just haven't heard any of his music.

Yeah, I agree. KFC has his strong points, but piano aint one of them, I strongly suggest Krispy or Kanjika.

[Hetcenus]

I noticed I gotta come here more frequently to know everybody a lot more. From this point of view, it really sucks to be a newbie, but you all had to go through this stage, right?
I'm only aware fo each one's specific capabilities from what I just heard from you all. For better judgement, I suppose I gotta give everybody a chance, even because there a really huge probability of all of you being better than myself (I would give this chance to myself too, but I'll take two weeks, I think, to get my new PC). So, if Kanjika, Krispy, or anyone else want and could do me this big favor, here's the link to the file:
http://www.sitesled.com/members/hetcenus/IGMidi.mid

[SnappleMan]

www.cvrepertoire.net/Accounts/SnappleMan/Mixdown_Piano.mp3

There, I mixed it using my piano setup. The end cuts off abruptly cuz of your midi, I can fix that if you want.

Anyway, tell me if you think that's acceptable, if not, ask one of the other dudes for help.

[SnappleMan]

BIG UPDATE COMING IN A MINUTE, PEOPLE!

Check front page!

[Hadyn]

eyes like burning

[SnappleMan]

eyes like burning

Gotta make that shit stand out!

[krispy]

Well here is my quick mixdown: http://krispy.sleazyc.com/HetcenusMixdown.mp3

However, I found, disturbingly, that my ff C6 note is distorted slightly... very annoying indeed. This can do for now, but rest assured I will do something about that note... so every annoying.

[Bren]

Well here is my quick mixdown: http://krispy.sleazyc.com/HetcenusMixdown.mp3

However, I found, disturbingly, that my ff C6 note is distorted slightly... very annoying indeed. This can do for now, but rest assured I will do something about that note... so every annoying.

I know of a solution which may or may not work. You could lower the note by a half step (assuming your B6 note sounds right) and increase the pitch of your B6 by 1 step. This process causes a bit of distortion on high levels, but 1 step shouldnt be that bad at all.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

ellywu (that's how you spell it right) Is now out the project without reconsideration. Thanks for being interested, but you just aren't here enough.

[Kanjika]

Wow.....3 free songs now?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Yes.

[KyleJCrb]

Time for some heavy recruiting, I think. I wonder if any remixers from the SoS project would be interested...

[Antipode]

Wow. Azure Lake, free for more than 10 minutes? I'd never have thought it possible.

[jmr]

It's almost sad that Rayza had to drop the track. After re-listening to a WIP version ('almostdone'), I am reminded of how great his track was turning out, and how close it seemed to be to completion. Oh well, I guess that's all you can do. Hopefully Rayza will consider remixing the song anyway, even if it's outside of this project. I'm sure everyone who has heard the WIP will agree.

[Terial]

WHOA! Rayza dropped Azure Lake?!?! what?!
it was my favorite mix of the project... *is extremly depressed* why... why god? WHYYYYYYYYY- ...
oh well, hopefully he will pick it up again for a remix, because that was a AWESOME piece he had going. Hopefully someone will pick it up and make it just as good :D

[hobo]

Not Azure Lake...
I mean, why? You had an amazing piece going there.
Could you at least post the most complete version you made?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Not Azure Lake...
I mean, why? You had an amazing piece going there.
Could you at least post the most complete version you made?

Why don't you read on the front page WHY?

[Bren]

Aw, that sucks. I really enjoyed Rayza's early wip. *mourns for his wip and hard drive*

[Nineko]

NEW UPDATE! - No more posting of WIPs publically. Only send them to me, KFC, and anyone currently on the project. No non-project people should be hearing the music past this point.

Also, if you're done, DO NOT POST THE FINAL SONG HERE! Do not post it anywhere else online! Keep it a secret till the project is done! If we find that you've been spreading your song around the net, you will be canned!Now, just like before, there is strict quality control for this project. Post all works in progress here, but NO completed work. If you think something is completed, send it to either me or KFC for evluation.I think someone should fix this in the first post. it's pretty ambiguous.

[SnappleMan]

NEW UPDATE! - No more posting of WIPs publically. Only send them to me, KFC, and anyone currently on the project. No non-project people should be hearing the music past this point.

Also, if you're done, DO NOT POST THE FINAL SONG HERE! Do not post it anywhere else online! Keep it a secret till the project is done! If we find that you've been spreading your song around the net, you will be canned!Now, just like before, there is strict quality control for this project. Post all works in progress here, but NO completed work. If you think something is completed, send it to either me or KFC for evluation.I think someone should fix this in the first post. it's pretty ambiguous.

I agree, let's all bug KFC to do it, I'm tired :(

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO IT

Edit - It's done

[Julio Jose]

I got desert palace.

[Hetcenus]

I listened to both Krispy and SnappleMan's songs, and both are really marvelous. Thank you.
But this will not be the final version. I still got some velocities to fix in the midi, I'll post the new link here when it gets ready (I hope by the weekend or a few days later). I still don't know if I'm just correct what's wrong or play everything again to make it more natural... If anyone could give me a light...

[Eon_Blue]

http://www.therighteous.net/eon/pccover3.jpg

Is everyone still cool with this cover? I posted it a while back, just looking for some more feedback. I'll do an inside cover and back label with the same idea...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

It's fine, but bring Sonic and Knuckles out just a widdle bit more.

[Antipode]

You know what I think? On a completely random note? I say that when this project is completed, we delete the original "history" thread, make THIS the "history" thread, and make a new thread for comments.

But nevermind me.

[Hadyn]

I agree with antipode. Delete all the old BS :P

As far as covers go, I just wanted to suggest that we don't limit ourselves to only one cover. Let anyone make them, then host the best on the project site and the listeners can chose which one they personally want.

[Julio Jose]

Holy shit guys, I just listened to some of the other work on here, and I am impressed beyond belief. Wow, there is some seriously stunning stuff here.

Keep up the good work, I am hard at work on my Desert Palace remix!

[Eon_Blue]

You know what I think? On a completely random note? I say that when this project is completed, we delete the original "history" thread, make THIS the "history" thread, and make a new thread for comments.

But nevermind me.

I dunno... while it was a little childish (check my sig), it actually represents a lot of the effort that goes into this. I mean, the very first day it was announced, it was the subject of much hilarity in #ocremix that night - and now it's almost finished.

There's a lot of shit in there that could probably be cleaned up, a few things that were said that aren't really indicitave of the people saying them, but...

...

Yeah, ok, I think it should be deleted too.


On an unrelated note, it would appear Foxhound is also from Canada. So that's pretty cool.

[hobo]

What I meant was, if Rayza isn't doing Azure Lake anymore, why can't he post the last version he had?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Because it's gone. I think I may have it.

[Antipode]

You know what I think? On a completely random note? I say that when this project is completed, we delete the original "history" thread, make THIS the "history" thread, and make a new thread for comments.

But nevermind me.

I dunno... while it was a little childish (check my sig), it actually represents a lot of the effort that goes into this. I mean, the very first day it was announced, it was the subject of much hilarity in #ocremix that night - and now it's almost finished.

There's a lot of shit in there that could probably be cleaned up, a few things that were said that aren't really indicitave of the people saying them, but...

...

Yeah, ok, I think it should be deleted too.


On an unrelated note, it would appear Foxhound is also from Canada. So that's pretty cool.

It's just - y'know, I was looking at it, and it probably isn't the type of thread we'd want to represent this - not exactly very respectable. I think we'd all be better off with this as a replacement, instead of an addition.

[captain_llama]

Hey dudes! I don't think I've posted in this thread before but I've been following the project for a long time. Since the cover is now being discussed I wanted to mention that I've also been working on CD art, though it might be a while before it's ready to be shared. :wink: I really want to contribute to the project (I'm a HUGE fan of Sonic and this is my favorite Sonic game) but have never tried arranging music before, but I am a graphic design major and enjoy creating CD art so hopefully you will all be open to my ideas as well as those already presented.

I also have an opinion on the issue of the history thread (if anyone cares)...it's true that there was a lot of bickering in that thread, but there was plenty of serious discussion as well, plus it was the origin of the project, so it was still fascinating to read. I suggest leaving it up...if anything it'll show how far the project has come!

Keep up the good work. From the WIPs I've heard this will be an amazing project.

PS - No more Rayza makes me want to cry...like this: :cry: I was also disappointed that analoq couldn't do ice cap - I figured if anyone could think of a fresh approach it would be him.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I agree, the old thread should die slow.

[Holy Warrior Azar]

Can we stone it?

Anyway, I wanted to ask who Darkeswords collab partner originally was on the Sandopolis track. I remember that it was zyko and Brain Cells for part 2, and Darkesword and someone else for part one, but they arent there anymore. Who was it?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Snappleman.

[Sora]

well that was to be expected :cry:
even if I didn''t have all these family problems and did make a track, I probably wouldn't have made it past the final cuts anyway.(even if I have improved during this month without the internet) :wink:
so yeah, I'm not gonna be here for 2 more months and it's not like it really matters anyway. Good luck with the project and make me proud KFC :D

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I'll do that Sora, and sorry to see you go.

[Bren]

Back to the cover art topic...I made a suggestion a loooong time ago at the kazorum forum, and people seemed to like the idea, but I havent seen any versions of it. I believe Sora was going to take a shot at it. At any rate:

Im a terrible artist, but I do have a suggestion for the cover art which I think would look cool... Picture this: The cover is an extreme closeup shot of Super Sonic and essentially all you see is one of his eyes in extreme detail and almost the back of his head. You dont see his nose. His face is very detailed, but not quite beyond what its meant to be...mostly just eye detail...and I mean like eyes of fire kind of thing. The back of the album could be the hidden palace with the super emeralds faded out so they dont become a dominant contrast, but the master emerald is slightly more dominant.

To get a better idea of what I mean, check out some of the complex pictures at www.digitalblasphemy.com

[Hadyn]

I was gonna give it a shot once the time came to worry about cover art. That time's still a while away.

[jmr]

I was gonna give it a shot once the time came to worry about cover art. That time's still a while away.Same here. I have a few ideas in mind (none of which are similar to the HH art). I do like Eon_Blue's art (so far), keep up the good work!

[Rexy]

I think I'm a bit slow on this, but what happened to GrayLightning? O.o

[KyleJCrb]

I think I'm a bit slow on this, but what happened to GrayLightning? O.o

He had to leave the project for personal reasons. :(

[krispy]

Gray has a tight schedule full of sleeping, watching anime, and remastering Sephire's mix. <3 Gray

[Rexy]

Ah, so that explains why he's taking so long to brush up mine :o

[Terial]

for the album art, I REALLY think that the Sonic&Knuckles logo should be incoporated somehow. you know, the lil emblem with sonic's and knuckles' head inside of it? anyway, I really think that the album art needs to be rather chaotic, but not messy. (yes, the two go hand in hand, lol)

And im sad that I haven't been able to hear any of the WIPs for a while, but i guess its for the best, as I will be very happy when it is finally finished!
keep up the great (unheard) work guys!

[Bren]

Not that I have anything against Rellik...but since when did boss 1 become closed? I thought it was a free track open to anyone who wanted to mix it... :?

[KyleJCrb]

It was, until they recruited Rellik. :P

[Hadyn]

Eh. Rellik's good, I'm not complaining ^^

[Antipode]

I really think that the album art needs to be rather chaotic

Wha ha ha ha! - No, seriously, that's horrible.

[Eon_Blue]

for the album art, I REALLY think that the Sonic&Knuckles logo should be incoporated somehow. you know, the lil emblem with sonic's and knuckles' head inside of it? anyway, I really think that the album art needs to be rather chaotic, but not messy. (yes, the two go hand in hand, lol)

And im sad that I haven't been able to hear any of the WIPs for a while, but i guess its for the best, as I will be very happy when it is finally finished!
keep up the great (unheard) work guys!

I'm never interested in putting anything directly from the game into the covers - I like to think I approach the art the same way the remixers approach the tracks - not blatantly rip anything, but simply make use of the theme.

Rather than take the Chaos route (as you suggest), I decided to keep it more speed-oriented (what with the motion blurring and all... :D). I was actually a little reluctant to even add the images of Sonic and Knuckles (someone convinced me to - KFC, I think?), but I think I managed to make it work.

Considering how damn long it takes me to do pretty much anything, I figure now's as good a time as any to get working on the artwork.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Not that I have anything against Rellik...but since when did boss 1 become closed? I thought it was a free track open to anyone who wanted to mix it... :?

And guess what, nobody took the offer but him. And I'm so into his track right now that I put faith in him and closed it.

[Bren]

Not that I have anything against Rellik...but since when did boss 1 become closed? I thought it was a free track open to anyone who wanted to mix it... :?

And guess what, nobody took the offer but him. And I'm so into his track right now that I put faith in him and closed it.

*shrug* your call. I was just rather confused about the whole free track scenerio and thought it would be a competition between all people who made a mix for it.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Not that I have anything against Rellik...but since when did boss 1 become closed? I thought it was a free track open to anyone who wanted to mix it... :?

And guess what, nobody took the offer but him. And I'm so into his track right now that I put faith in him and closed it.

*shrug* your call. I was just rather confused about the whole free track scenerio and thought it would be a competition between all people who made a mix for it.

No one made a mix for it. :x

[SnappleMan]

Alright people, I'm gonna be leaving for vacation in a couple days. I'll probably be unable to get online for a week or so, then I should be reachable.

Send any and all PMs and work to KFC only for now. He'll take care of the project till I can secure a good connection where I'm going.

I wont be able to take any of my old projects with me, but I can start new ones there (in GM midi), so when I get back I'll just have to record the tracks and call it done.

Again, everything goes to KFCs capable hands.

I'd apreciate it if all of you musicians started hasslin eachother for work :) Nothing get's a team going like the team itself. So get shit done!

[Bren]

Just letting you know, Im dropping from the project. I just dont have any motivation to continue anymore... :(

if anyone is interested, this was my wip: Link (http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/bbennett/djb_snk_5.mp3)

And just for the record, at least 3 people were doing a wip for boss 1, including myself, DJ Notte (I think thats who it was) and Blue Magic.

[KyleJCrb]

And just for the record, at least 3 people were doing a wip for boss 1, including myself, DJ Notte (I think thats who it was) and Blue Magic.

Sure, but nobody stepped up and actually said "I'M CLAIMING THAT TRACK!" At least, as far as I saw.

[Ichitootah]

And just for the record, at least 3 people were doing a wip for boss 1, including myself, DJ Notte (I think thats who it was) and Blue Magic.

Sure, but nobody stepped up and actually said "I'M CLAIMING THAT TRACK!" At least, as far as I saw.



I ... thought it would be a competition between all people who made a mix for it.

Might as well answer for him as he's not likely to check back here soon.

[KyleJCrb]

I'll have to look back, but I don't think Snapple or KFC actually said that...

[SnappleMan]

Like stated above. Nobody claimed Boss 1. KFC was not happy with any of the WIPs so far (from what I understand, at least) and gave the track to Rellik.

There's no need to get upset about it. From the beginning we said that it was about the music and nothing else. Alot of people are taking our rejections personally, which is understandable, but this is not about who we personally like. It's about who we feel will do the song justice, and make the best possible version.

Ofcourse, this opens up the point of "Personal tastes are different, how do you know what the best version of the song is?" Better is just better. I mean, sure, someone may have an idea that is great, but overall some people are able to produce better quality work. As cold as that sounds, it's the way it has to be done. The main thing we want here, is to retain a good ammount of the original songs feel, while adding your own twist.

We're not doing "music based on Sonic 3" we're arranging the soundtrack. Listen to any professional arranged soundtrack. All of the compositions are close to the original, with a tasteful ammount of arrangement and artists originality.

This is not gonna be another Hedgehog Heaven. The bar is set extremely high. And for those who can make the cut, it'll be a testament to the very best music that OCR has to offer.

What I want to hear from people is complex percussion, flowing melodies, and rhythm that keeps you interested. That means DO NOT loop a 4 note bassline and a one measure long drum section with a pad over it.

[SnappleMan]

That's right, bitches, this project opened the new Ruthless Snapple flavor. Same great taste, and without all that RUTH!

[KyleJCrb]

Now that's a flavor everyone can enjoy.

[Arek the Absolute]

As I check around these projects for inspiration, I noticed that these all are done with a positive attitude *for the most part*. I am glad to have you guys to have as an example for mine.
So even though you did nothing directly *except kyle*, I learned a lot from these projects. Thanks!

[Ichitootah]

All of the compositions are close to the original

Oh shit. Major revision time.

[SnappleMan]

All of the compositions are close to the original

Oh shit. Major revision time.

It doesn't have to be identical, but try to retain some of the original.

[captain_llama]

DJ Bren...just listened to your WIP and that's not even Boss 1, it's Death Egg (which isn't closed, according to page 1). Don't have a cow, man! :P



EDIT: Unless you were working on both? btw thanks for posting the WIP.

[Bren]

DJ Bren...just listened to your WIP and that's not even Boss 1, it's Death Egg (which isn't closed, according to page 1). Don't have a cow, man! :P



EDIT: Unless you were working on both? btw thanks for posting the WIP.

Yes, I was working on Death Egg and had a Boss 1 wip that I showed to Snappleman at some point in time. I was kind of disappointed when I found out that my time working on boss 1 was for nothing, then I found out some stuff that made me want to drop from the project, because I didnt think I could make the cut with what I put forward for a Death Egg mix. Hey, I love doing music; Its my hobby. I Just wont be a part of this any longer, but Im still rooting for you guys working on it. 8)

[Antipode]

Sorry to see you drop Death Egg, DJBren.

I'm pretty much done with mine, but I could still make minor updates to it and whatever. I'm looking forward to the release or at least the next deadline - this will be a great project.

[NEG]

Just letting you know, Im dropping from the project. I just dont have any motivation to continue anymore... :(

if anyone is interested, this was my wip: Link (http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/bbennett/djb_snk_5.mp3)

A shame. Really liked this Death Egg mix. :(

EDIT:Perhaps working on this one a little more for a ocremix release? Only problem I can see is the length.

[Julio Jose]

If you want my WIP send me a PM. *MUST BE A MEMBER OF PROJECT*

(KFC or snapple, if you have a problem with this, jus let me know and I will cease. I just really need some opinions on this)

[SnappleMan]

Trading songs between project members is not only okay, but encouraged! No better way to learn than to compare, says me.

[jmr]

:oops:
sorry...

[Leon K.]

Thou shalt not link to bootleg shizzat.

[KyleJCrb]

Uh, you guys are aware that posting links to downloads of commercially available soundtracks is prohibited by OCR forum rules, right?

[Nineko]

Uh, you guys are aware that posting links to downloads of commercially available soundtracks is prohibited by OCR forum rules, right?you have mod powers here. edit their posts writing [link removed] where needed if you think they're breaking forums' rules.

[KyleJCrb]

Uh, you guys are aware that posting links to downloads of commercially available soundtracks is prohibited by OCR forum rules, right?you have mod powers here. edit their posts writing [link removed] where needed if you think they're breaking forums' rules.

DarkeSword specifically instructed me not to mod any threads here besides my own, so I'm sticking to that.

[SnappleMan]

He told me the same thing.... :D

[KyleJCrb]

Do a Metal Slug cover, Snapple.

[SnappleMan]

Do a Metal Slug cover, Snapple.

Maybe sometime after this Sonic thing, and after the tales thing...

[KyleJCrb]

Do a Metal Slug cover, Snapple.

Maybe sometime after this Sonic thing, and after the tales thing...

Level 2 from Metal Slug 2 would be good. ;)

[SnappleMan]

That's been planned for years, I just never got around to it :) Also, level 2 from Metal Slug 3 :D

But yeah, right now this Sonic project is taking up 90% of my time. I'm even gonna be composing the other songs in GM while I'm on vacation...

[Leon K.]

Eh, sorry, messed up.
Some of those things weren't off soundtracks though. Like alot of the genesis and gamegear ones. That still illegal since they arent commercially availible?

[KyleJCrb]

The site had official soundtracks available for download alongside the other ones, so I'd say that any link to the site would be a bad idea.

[Beatdrop]

Just thought I'd let you guys know that I actually finished that Flying Battery Zone remix I was working on. It came considerably sooner than expected (AND THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID! HAW HAW HAW!!!).

Submitted it to OCR earlier today:

http://www.paletteswap.com/beatdrop/Remixes/Beatdrop%20-%20Sonic%20&%20Knuckles%20-%20Catapult.mp3

Enjoy.

[SnappleMan]

Heyo Beatdrop, very awesome job you did on the track. I love the percussion, it really makes the song.

I'm workin' on Flying Battery with Housethegrate. As with all my other work for this album, it'll be a fusion of different styles. I'm planning to have strong percussion also, with a mix of heavy rhythm and lead guitar (done by house).

Hopefully I can get something as cool as this :)

[Beatdrop]

Between the two of you, I'm entirely sure that's probable. Thanks for your comments :) And here I was worried the percussion was the weakest part of the song.

[jmr]

Uh, you guys are aware that posting links to downloads of commercially available soundtracks is prohibited by OCR forum rules, right?
I apologize: I had no idea that linking to sites with, eh, 'less-than-legal' material was not allowed.
And: to whoever edited my post, please be just a little less offensive... :lol:

EDIT:He told me the same thing.... :D Well, I guess I know who did it! I guess I'm not a fan of the 'Ruthless Snapple flavor'. :D

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Hadyn, I love your work, but I'm sadly going to have to pull you from the project. PM me for comments or anything of that nature and we can work somehting out, but as it stands, my decision is final. :cry:

As for DJ Nova, good luck with your music, but I feel that your WIP isn't up to par with this projects standards. Sorry, but I have decided to pull you as well.

[Ichitootah]

I guess this is a call to action for the rest of us not-quite-so established mixers. :(

Luckily, no one wants to touch Ballon Park Competition so I'm safe... for now. :P

I sent a new version to you and Snapple, KFC.

[Hadyn]

Hadyn, I love your work, but I'm sadly going to have to pull you from the project. PM me for comments or anything of that nature and we can work somehting out, but as it stands, my decision is final. :cry:

If it's final, then it means nothing I can say will change it...

Comments can come out here, in the open. You can't just tell me I'm pulled and then give me no reason.

I've worked DAMN hard on this, so let's hear it. What's going on?

[djbrayster]

I hope the people who are dropped will continue their mixes! as I really am looking forward to the music this project has inspired. accepted or not!

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Hadyn, I love your work, but I'm sadly going to have to pull you from the project. PM me for comments or anything of that nature and we can work somehting out, but as it stands, my decision is final. :cry:

If it's final, then it means nothing I can say will change it...

Comments can come out here, in the open. You can't just tell me I'm pulled and then give me no reason.

I've worked DAMN hard on this, so let's hear it. What's going on?

The reason is, you haven't talked to me in the LONGEST for one. And second, I haven't heard your Carnival WIP, and also, you said you wouldn't be able to finish it cause of your computer (Final Boss). Besides Final Boss, you haven't given me any reason to keep you on, and with the removal of ellywu.. hell, who knows. Like I said, just talk to me dude. :( You are the last person I wanted to remove.

[Rexy]

I think I have another question to ask; what happened to Nuts's classified partner for Hidden Palace?

Sorry to see Hadyn was kicked off though :(

[captain_llama]

I hope Hadyn will be able to continue, I liked his WIP a lot

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I think I have another question to ask; what happened to Nuts's classified partner for Hidden Palace?



Still existant, I just took it off anyway.

[Hadyn]

I have talked to you, but every time I try you end up busy or just plain non responsive. It doesn't help that we live in completely different timezones, either...

If you haven't seen my WIP's then it's your own damn fault for not being involved enough in this topic or project at all. Hell, people who aren't even part of the project have been more involved than you. Plenty of people have heard my work.

I even finished final boss. I whacked on an ending and at the very least I showed it to snapps. You know what happened when I tried to send it to you?

"please, no, send it tommorow i gtg"

Yeah, that really sounds like my fault, huh?

and your reason for not accepting the transfer was... drumroll...

"nah, i was just lazy".

And then out of the blue you say you're removing me and it's final. No warnings or suggestions, nothing.

I don't want you to take me back, I just want everyone to see that you're the most hopeless project leader in the history of OCR. Thank god for Snappleman, or this project would be entirely screwed.

Oh, yeah, and about the website I offered to make... screw that, you can make you're own. Same with the album cover art. As long as you're leading this project, doing you're own stupid little things like this, I want nothing to do with it.

You don't need to fire me. I quit.

And for those out there who support me, don't worry, I'll be submitting my finished works to both OCR and VGmix when I'm done.

Cheers for the support, if I didn't have you guys I'd be even more pissed off with KFC...

EDIT:

Oh, and yeah, for those of you fortunate enough to still be on the project: if you need critiques I'm still glad to have a listen and offer any advice I may have. Just PM or whatever if you want to :)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Even though you twisted my words, hey, I can't make you stay. I just wanted to TALK to you is all. I even was the one who was shooting to put your song in the project as final boss 2. But you only messaged me ONE TIME. You never pmed me or anything H. But, like I said, I want to talk to you. And don't you DARE say I'm not involved with the project. I have plenty of people who can prove you wrong. Don't even go there with. I'll say it again. Just talk to me. OH AND I GAVE YOU WARNING, I PUT A SIGN RIGHT BY YOUR NAME FOR THE PAST WEEK OR SO SAYING MESSAGE ME, BUT ALAS, I DIDN'T GET A MESSAGE. I EVEN SAID I WAS DOING CUTS. BUT YOU WEREN'T HERE TO SEE THAT WERE YOU?

but obviously, if you run anything, there will be disagreements. Good luck with life Hadyn.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Actually no. Know what, we gonna do it like this.

Two things gonna happen. You either talk to me about this one on one, and lemme hear your tracks (because I haven't heard Carnival Night at all) and then I can work with you and there is your *CLOSED* spot on the project.

OR- You can continue to act like you are now (cause talked to me once or twice is NOTHING) and go off telling people how bad of a person I am. It will not effect this project, minus the fact that we lost a mixer that I had high respect for.

[Dahlia]

Go for option A! Everyone wants to hear your work!

[Eon_Blue]

Go for option A! Everyone wants to hear your work!

No! TAKE THE MONEY!!! THE MONNNEEEEYYYYY!!!

[Kanjika]

Jesus...now haydn is off the project? How many people have been kicked off now? Im surprised im not off considering i havent posted in ages...

Anyway, ill have the FINISHED (FINALLY!!!!!!!!!) sky sanctaury in tomorrow...no more boring intro :D

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Awesome, just let me know when, I know it will be hot.

[The Joker]

Hmmm... as the S3&K Project turns indeed. Anyway, I'm currently tweaking my mix with the suggestions I got from the higher ups... as well as lengthening it because a good 40 seconds of it is now out, & I don't want it ot be under 3 minutes. I hate short songs, they irk me.


And Hadyn. Man just get back on the project. Your track will be killer. And hey since ellywu is off I could help you out. Anyway, yeah. Do it.

[Hadyn]

Even though you twisted my words, hey, I can't make you stay. I just wanted to TALK to you is all. I even was the one who was shooting to put your song in the project as final boss 2. But you only messaged me ONE TIME. You never pmed me or anything H. But, like I said, I want to talk to you. And don't you DARE say I'm not involved with the project. I have plenty of people who can prove you wrong. Don't even go there with. I'll say it again. Just talk to me. OH AND I GAVE YOU WARNING, I PUT A SIGN RIGHT BY YOUR NAME FOR THE PAST WEEK OR SO SAYING MESSAGE ME, BUT ALAS, I DIDN'T GET A MESSAGE. I EVEN SAID I WAS DOING CUTS. BUT YOU WEREN'T HERE TO SEE THAT WERE YOU?

but obviously, if you run anything, there will be disagreements. Good luck with life Hadyn.

"Make me stay?"

Yeah, right.

You said I was out and it was final. You don't want to make me stay...

And I didn't twist your words: I paraphrased a little, but that's still what you said, and it's still what you meant. You didn't want to talk.

According to msn logs I've messaged you six times, which is a bit higher then your count... And it's not my fault that I never saw you online incredibly often. Like I said, different time zones.

You're the project leader. You're the one who needs to go out of your way to talk to me. I know you've been making cuts, I've been posting here, but I don't check the first post every time I visit... That would be ridiculous. You have to make an effort to talk to someone before just cutting them. Send a PM, maybe contact me on MSN, but don't just cut me and use a message on the first post as an excuse for doing it.

Actually no. Know what, we gonna do it like this.

Two things gonna happen. You either talk to me about this one on one, and lemme hear your tracks (because I haven't heard Carnival Night at all) and then I can work with you and there is your *CLOSED* spot on the project.

OR- You can continue to act like you are now (cause talked to me once or twice is NOTHING) and go off telling people how bad of a person I am. It will not effect this project, minus the fact that we lost a mixer that I had high respect for.

Here's how it goes. If Snappleman wants me on, I'm on. That's it.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I tried to show you my carnival night piece too.

Me: "have you heard my latest carnival night WIP? I want to see if you think i'm going in a good direction"
You: "It needs more percussion, blah blah blah"
Me: "I think you're listening to an older wip, I posted a new one about half an hour ago."
You: "Oh, Ok. Give it to me tommorow though, I gotta go soon"

And I even posted it a few times in these forums, so yeah.

I don't know. Maybe I'm being too harsh. I just really haven't had a good past 24 hours and being cut from this project really isn't helping that...

Like I said, I'll see what Snappleman wants to do. He runs this project too. I think cuts should be discussed with him.

~Hadyn

[Antipode]

Come on, now, this is starting to be reminiscent of the old thread. I say you guys just discuss it on AIM or messenger or whatever.

(This isn't like a command or anything, it's more of a plea.)

[Hadyn]

Half the problem seems to be our inability to discuss things on msn, so this is the only way it'll work. I'm done though. Just want to wait and see what Snappleman wants, then that's it.

[DJ Nova]

As for DJ Nova, good luck with your music, but I feel that your WIP isn't up to par with this projects standards. Sorry, but I have decided to pull you as well.

It's ok... I didn't really like how my remix was coming along and you are right with it not being up to par with the rest of the project. I am still a bit disappointed though...well anyway, good luck to everybody still on the project!

(sorry for the late reply btw, I was on vacation for a week)

[Julio Jose]

Is it ok to post wips on here?

(Just want to make sure before I post one)

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

No, please do not post WIP one any site, send them directly to me or someone involved with the project.

As for Hadyn, man, I have analyzed the situation and you are right, are timezones conflict. Therefore, I have decided to put you back on. Since Snapple is on vacation, I will have to make the choices, and I think that this was a big misunderstanding. How about from now on, you get your WIP to someone who you think talks to me at a normal rate (for example, Joker) and then they will feed it back to me.

Also, I'm sick of people using Snapple as a scapegoat. People seem to forget that we are of the same lvl of power in this project. But I'm going to leave that there.||| Hadyn, welcome back, and hopefully, this will not happen again. I look forward to your work.

[KyleJCrb]

Is it ok to post wips on here?

(Just want to make sure before I post one)

According to the first post, WIPs can't be shared publicly (that includes here). Try messaging one of the coordinators and have them look at it.

[Mr. Fox]

Is it ok to post wips on here?

(Just want to make sure before I post one)

Send it to both Snappleman and KFC via PM

[jmr]

Is it ok to post wips on here?According to the first post, WIPs can't be shared publicly (that includes here). Try messaging one of the coordinators and have them look at it.
As well:Trading songs between project members is not only okay, but encouraged! No better way to learn than to compare, says me.

[Hadyn]

As for Hadyn, man, I have analyzed the situation and you are right, are timezones conflict. Therefore, I have decided to put you back on. Since Snapple is on vacation, I will have to make the choices, and I think that this was a big misunderstanding. How about from now on, you get your WIP to someone who you think talks to me at a normal rate (for example, Joker) and then they will feed it back to me.

Also, I'm sick of people using Snapple as a scapegoat. People seem to forget that we are of the same lvl of power in this project. But I'm going to leave that there.||| Hadyn, welcome back, and hopefully, this will not happen again. I look forward to your work.

I guess I'll have to accept, then. Thanks, it's nice to be back.

I wasn't really using Snappleman as a scapegoat, it's just that I know he's heard all of my WIP's, and I've had more luck getting into contact with him then I have with you, so he knew a little bit more about where I stand then you did. He seemed fairly keen to keep me on the project, so I thought I was pretty safe.

All of this said, I may not have a new WIP for a while. I'm sitting on three major assignments right now and one of them's an animation project which is taking up a hell of a lot of my time. I won't be free for a month or so. That said, I may still find some time in that period, but realisticly I should be spending more time on homework. It doesn't matter a whole lot though, my Final Boss thing's practically finished, so I can send that one to you soon (i'll use e-mail). As for carnival night... hmm, since ellywu left me, I guess I'll be doing my own drums. If anyone has some decent industrial or rough-break kits, they could really come in handy. Like, seriously. It'd be awesome.

Cheers people. I'm a little bit happier today =P

[Antipode]

In other news, I just have a general appreciation I wanted to throw out - I've heard a good number of recent WIPs, and I wanted to say that this is just awesome. Like, it's gonna make my whole month when this project comes out. Good work to all.

[MaliceX]

I've got a ton of pre-recorded drumsamples (most of them drummachine ones) I downloaded somewhere a while ago. Not sure if any of them would fit without some sound editing. ;P

[Hadyn]

hmmm, are you talking loops, or individual hits?

[The Joker]

Yay! Hadyn's back. I don't have MSN sadly. But, you could always upload & pm KFC a link to your wips.

[Hadyn]

Tried e-mailing... but got:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

ickethoman@hotmail.com

[Julio Jose]

Haydn if you need me to host it, just ask. I have plenty of room on my shitty angelfire servers haha.

[jmr]

Tried e-mailing... but got:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

ickethoman@hotmail.com
If you don't take foxhound_'s offer, you can email it to me, and I can send it to KFC through AIM or MSN. I also have a bit of space left in my Tripod account, I can temporarily host it for ya!
EDIT: I 'spose it would be easier if I gave my current Email address: jeffreymr@gmail.com

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Tried e-mailing... but got:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

ickethoman@hotmail.com

Don't use that, use sithlord_aku@yahoo.com

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Kanjika just owned Sky Sanctuary everyone. 8)

[GaMeBoX]

kfc, you got another pm on vgmix now...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

It appears that Hadyn doesn't understand the fact that I'm super busy.

-19:26] KungFuChicken!: ok
[19:27] KungFuChicken!: And email
[19:27] KungFuChicken!: lemme see
[19:49] Hadyn: is it there?
[19:57] Hadyn: I'm sorry, it's been half an hour. It can't possibly take that long to check if you have an email or not
[19:58] Hadyn: I have to go. if you don't have it it's not my problem


Hadyn, I'm not going to say what I want to say, but I got the files, and I listened to them. I'll talk to you a little later about them via pm.

[Hadyn]

What the heck was the point in quoting that?

I asked if you recieved an e-mail I sent you earlier, and it was over an hour without any solid answer. Of course I got impatient, it takes less than a minute to check an e-mail account, even if you're busy.

That, and you said nothing about being busy. You said "lemme see" implying that you were going to check, then didn't say anything for over 30 mins.

So yeah. If I sound impatient I think it's fair.

Glad you got the files either way, but geez. Talk about a pointless post.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Calm down bro, lol. I wasn't serious.

Btw, what exactly was wrong with Carnival? It's hot to me, you just need to finish the arrangement. 8)

[Hadyn]

Oh.

Well.



That's okay then...

Thanks ^^;

[SnappleMan]

Holy Fuck!

I let this go for a few days and this is what happens?

Everyone must chill out. Hadyn is a permanent part of this team and is not getting kicked off at all. Sorry KFC, but I gotta stand my ground on that one.

Anyway, I won't be able to return to the boards for another few days, so I'll just say that everyone should relax and work on their music.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Holy Fuck!

I let this go for a few days and this is what happens?

Everyone must chill out. Hadyn is a permanent part of this team and is not getting kicked off at all. Sorry KFC, but I gotta stand my ground on that one.

Anyway, I won't be able to return to the boards for another few days, so I'll just say that everyone should relax and work on their music.

Bro, it's really nothing man...

[Nicole Adams]

Boss 2 - Sir Nuts *CLOSED*

Hey, my name is gone. :?:

[Antipode]

On an unrelated note, still no news of the following deadline?

[JuzaK]

it would be cool if Tefnek or Zircon made remixes for this album. The TMNT4 track they did together is one of the best game remixes ever.

[MaliceX]

Oh yeah.. :D This is definetly gonna kick ass.

[chthonic]

Boss 2 - Sir Nuts *CLOSED*

Hey, my name is gone. :?:
Hey, it's Sir freakin' Nuts.

-chth

[Zutnunzor]

Just posting to say good luck to everyone on this project so far. This games soundtrack is too good to pass up and from the WIP's I heard from the first forum, everything was is going awesome.

Hope you finish soon.

[Antipode]

Pretty slow 'round these parts...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

We just chillin yo. But it will pick back up :)

[GaMeBoX]

kfc and snappleman, check your pm's on vgmix.... the updated wip is now available... btw, if anyone in the project wants to check out my wip and give comments or something, just pm me and ill give you the details...

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

I got the track. WAY too awesome.

[Leon K.]

I believe the term is "Way Past Cool"
<_<

[MaliceX]

I'm not sure if it still applies, but KFC/SnappleMan, you's haven't responded in accordance to my PM last week, with the exception of being busy.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Can you please send a new PM?

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Gone for a week, see you guys soon!

[SnappleMan]

Alright people, I know it's been wierd having both me and KFC pretty much gone for some time. Alot of you are probably feeling like the project has slowed down a good chunk. Well, I'm here to tell you all that I'm gonna be able to manage the project from here for now.

I'm gonna start getting on some people for work, and giving some critique to others. All who are involved with the project can share their work amongst one another. So please do that. I keep stressing that getting advice from peers is the best way to improve, the reason for that is because... IT'S TRUE :)

So yeah, keep working, don't slack off, and help one another.

Also, all the people on MSN Messenger:
I'm sorry that I haven't been in contact with you guys for a few weeks now. I've not been able to get MSN installed properly on this really old PC, so I can't really communicate with you for at least a few more days. I'll get back to all of you as soon as I get a capable system set up over here, and we'll get back to the music.

THERE ARE NO MORE DEADLINES FROM THIS POINT ON!
From now on, we're in the biggest part of the project. We've gotten a good team settled down thanks to our previous deadlines, and now it's time to really get to work on final versions. I'm gonna be asking for work slowly, and especially by late August to beginning of September. I'm expecting everyone to have a final track done by then. As for people who are doing more than one song, I expect at least 3/4 of your workload to be done by that time.

As soon as we have all of the tracks together, we will begin with the final touches like normalizing, limiting, any extra mastering, or whatever else.
Like I keep saying, this is a group effort.

Some people may be asked to send me a .zip file of the individual WAVs of their project so I or someone more capable can mix them. Depending on how well a job you do on your own.

And another thing. I know alot of you are using FL. FL has a nice little render mp3 option. This is okay for demos and whatever that you're sending me, but for the FINAL album versions, I'm expecting full quality wavs. That's 44khz 16bit wavs, there should be an option to export this instead of an MP3 (and it's usually a much quicker export too).

[jmr]

I'm expecting full quality wavs. That's 44khz 16bit wavs, there should be an option to export this instead of an MP3 (and it's usually a much quicker export too).I'm glad that there's gonna be a lossless version.
However, sending WAVs can be a bit of a hassle, especially for those with slower connections. Is is alright if FLAC or SHN (lossless formats) are used?

As for using MSN, try using webmessenger (http://webmessenger.msn.com/) or e-messenger (http://www.e-messenger.net/)... (Web Based). You *may* be able to use it, at least until you get your capable system set up.

By the way, you may want to update the first page.

[SnappleMan]

I'm expecting full quality wavs. That's 44khz 16bit wavs, there should be an option to export this instead of an MP3 (and it's usually a much quicker export too).I'm glad that there's gonna be a lossless version.
However, sending WAVs can be a bit of a hassle, especially for those with slower connections. Is is alright if FLAC or SHN (lossless formats) are used?

As for using MSN, try using webmessenger (http://webmessenger.msn.com/) or e-messenger (http://www.e-messenger.net/)... (Web Based). You *may* be able to use it, at least until you get your capable system set up.

By the way, you may want to update the first page.

I'm not too sure yet on other lossless formats. We'll talk it over and we'll see.
And there, a cheap update, I just copy and pasted some of the stuff.. :D

[Antipode]

We probably want to have all the songs say *CLOSED* next to them now, right? I mean, I know they already are, but I'm just sayin'..

[SnappleMan]

We probably want to have all the songs say *CLOSED* next to them now, right? I mean, I know they already are, but I'm just sayin'..

But I'm so lazy :(

[KyleJCrb]

We probably want to have all the songs say *CLOSED* next to them now, right? I mean, I know they already are, but I'm just sayin'..

But I'm so lazy :(

Is that something a project coordinator should so openly claim? :P

[Internecivus Raptus]

So...uhh...whens this gonna be released? 8)

[KyleJCrb]

So...uhh...whens this gonna be released? 8)

When it's done and ready to be released.

[The Joker]

It'll be relaesed when the world is ready for it! In other words... when it's done... Kyle was right. Anyway, I say for final wavs we use .ape format. That dang thing compresses the files to almost half the size, no joke. Plus it's lossless.

http://www.monkeysaudio.com/

[SnappleMan]

It'll be relaesed when the world is ready for it! In other words... when it's done... Kyle was right. Anyway, I say for final wavs we use .ape format. That dang thing compresses the files to almost half the size, no joke. Plus it's lossless.

http://www.monkeysaudio.com/

As long as I can decompress it back to WAV, I'll be happy as an oyster.

[jmr]

As long as I can decompress it back to WAV, I'll be happy as an oyster.
Yup, you can convert APE, FLAC, and SHN back to WAVs, as long as you have the proper software. Actually, FLAC was used for the lossless version of the Kirby project, so I wouldn't be suprised if many people here already have the software installed.
You might be wondering what FLAC is. FLAC stands for Free Lossless Audio Codec; basically this means that the music has been compressed from wave masters to this slightly smaller format without ANY loss in quality. In order to play and burn FLAC files, get the appropriate software from the FLAC website:
http://flac.sourceforge.net/index.html
You can get a plugin to burn FLAC files directly to CD, or you can just use the decoder to convert back to WAV. There won't be any difference in quality.

[Murmeli Walan]

So...uhh...whens this gonna be released? 8)

When it's done and ready to be released.

If it got released tomorrow, all we'd get are two or three finished songs and a hand full of WIPs.

People wouldn't like that. :cry:

[The Joker]

Though I'm pretty sure most of the wips aw really close to being finished. OR at least would sound kinda finished, just not polished.

[Antipode]

Yeah, I guess more than anything the best thing we can do is listen to suggestions and do minor fixups. (Unless you're doing five tracks, like some people...)

[SnappleMan]

Yeah, I guess more than anything the best thing we can do is listen to suggestions and do minor fixups. (Unless you're doing five tracks, like some people...)

Yeah, like SOME people.... :(

[Antipode]

And to those certain people, may I say good luck..

[KyleJCrb]

Giving this a little nudge, and taking post 500. Mwahaha!

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Sandopolis for the most part is done. It's incredible people! Big up to zyko and Marcos (braincells)

[SnappleMan]

I heard the almost finished version from Zyko, very good stuff, but I told him to add more of the original melody in there.

[The Joker]

I noticed that Boss 1 was open. If you haven't found somebody yet, you could put me down as a pending. It fits the type of music I've been in the mood to make.

[Antipode]

Whoa, you're right...too bad Rellik couldn't take it. Oh well.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Joker, I hope you don't mind, but me and Snapple are going to take it.

[jmr]

Joker, I hope you don't mind, but me and Snapple are going to take it.
So... thats... SIX for SnappleMan... this guy is really working his ass off for this project!
Boss 1 (S&K version) - SnappleMan+KyngFuChicken! *CLOSED*
Kyng?

[KyleJCrb]

I only see five for Snapple, one of which is already done. ;)

[jmr]

I only see five for Snapple, one of which is already done. ;)
*checks*
WH-WH-WHAT? HE'S NOT WORKING ON SANDOPOLIS ANYMORE?!?
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN???
*re-reads last couple pages*
ahh... Apparently he and DarkeSword dropped the track... damn... that 2-part, 4-way collaboration would have been awesome! Oh well, I'm sure zyko and BrainCells' version will be great as well.

[The Joker]

Joker, I hope you don't mind, but me and Snapple are going to take it.

Yeah that's cool. I was having a hard time getting an actual remix started. All's I got was this really hardcore opening which was really just original stuff.

[st3ph3nt4n]

cant wait to seee this :D

[Hadyn]

Hey everyone.

So here's the latest news from my end:

Due to working on some pretty massive college assignments (such as http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21805984/ )I haven't yet been able to swork on my Carnival Night track. I should have some time in the near future to work on it though, so everything should be fine.

My second piece of news is that, though I'm still confused by last month's events (with me being dropped then brought back and all), I've decided I will make the website for this project.

I have an assignment to make a Flash website, and so I thought I'd take this oppertunity to help you guys out at the same time as doing my work. Two birds, one stone.

So what I need to know is what kinda stuff the website is going to have on it. I think we should keep it rather low on content - maybe five pages, similar to Kong in Concert and Rise of the Star. Hell, the new Doom project has a pretty good layout. But yeah. I'll come up with my own ideas, but input from the people and especially KFC or Snapps is definitely welcome :)

This is going to be the best project website OCR has ever seen. I promise that.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Do what cha do Hadyn! :D

[Hadyn]

So I've given it some thought and decided that we should have the following pages:


An animated Flash intro sequence

A home/news page

An info page

A media page

A credits page

And a links page


These pages will all be made as a Flash website, though there will also be an HTML version of each page incase some people are still living ten years behind the rest of us.

The intro sequence will essentially be my own modernised version of the S3&K intro.

The news page will be updated with news about the project once or twice before the project is released, then it'll likely become redundant.

The info page will contain information about the project, the game, and all that interesting stuff we care so much about.

The media page will be where the downloads go when the project's released.

The credits page is just what it sounds like,

And the links page will link to OCR and various other sites that relate to sonic or the project.

I may combine the credits and links pages together.

What I need to know now is what the project's going to be titled. Did we decide to go with Project Chaos?

I think it works, considering the chaos that's gone into putting this thing together... but, you know, that's just me. So yeah. What's the go?

~Hadyn

[jmr]

Glad to see we've got someone working on a site.
The only thing I'd like to see that you haven't covered is a 'review/song info' page for each track, kinda like what Kong In Concert had.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Project Chaos is the project name. Final.

[Antipode]

Glad to see we've got someone working on a site.
The only thing I'd like to see that you haven't covered is a 'review/song info' page for each track, kinda like what Kong In Concert had.

I really like this idea of having a small info box for each track, like Kong in Concert. You could have the artists themselves write them, too, so that we could give a bit of background info on our tracks. Or whatever.

[Antipode]

Hah, some guy's been spamming Sora's old forum.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v678/potpan/spam.jpg

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

aahahahah, what a loser.

[Nicole Adams]

Glad to see we've got someone working on a site.
The only thing I'd like to see that you haven't covered is a 'review/song info' page for each track, kinda like what Kong In Concert had.

I really like this idea of having a small info box for each track, like Kong in Concert. You could have the artists themselves write them, too, so that we could give a bit of background info on our tracks. Or whatever.

I think this is a great idea. I thought it was really great when Kong in Concert did this. Also, I love the title Project Chaos. :)

[Hadyn]

Yeop, I'm planning on having a small pop-up page thing for each track.

Here's the first test design:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/hadynlander/mockup3copy.jpg

I need your feedback! What parts are good? Does anything need to be changed? Is it crap? Should I start again? Does god really exist? WHAT IS THE MEANING!?

Uh, yeah. Speak, peoples, I need your opinions!

~Hadyn

edit - oh, yeah, keep in mind that the page background will be BLACK. It really doesn't look as good with the OCR grey behind it, so yeah. If you set it as your wallpaper with a black background or something you'll get the idea ^^;

[captain_llama]

If you're going to use Sonic Team's artwork, I would suggest only using images created for S3&K. The Sonic Adventure images certainly look cool, but personally I think they're inappropriate for a project based on a game where Sonic's look was significantly different.

Otherwise, looks like a good start.

[Ichitootah]

WIth a title like Project Chaos, it's got to look somewhat badass. I wouldn't like it pixely. :(

[Antipode]

Well, that design's showing up as a nice, big, red X for me. Dunno about anyone else.

[The Joker]

I say whatever artwork looks the coolest & most fitting should be on the page regardless of whether it was on S3&K. BTW, Hadyn, that looks quite hardcore. I likes it.

[Antipode]

All right, now I can see it.
Hadyn, you earn many, many respect points from me for using the S&K logo. That was the one major requirement I had in mind for this site...
Keep up the good work, man. I really look forward to it.

[Hadyn]

WIth a title like Project Chaos, it's got to look somewhat badass. I wouldn't like it pixely. :(

That's my philosophy exactly :)

Whilst Sonic's appearance is more extreme these days, it's still the same old hedgehog we all know and love.

So yeah, unless god (or KFC) tells me otherwise, I'm gonna use modern pics. Might even draw some of my own if I have the time.

Thanks for all the other feedback so far. I'll wait for word from one of the leaders and then I'll get a move on with making it all flashy and stuff.

[FlameStream]

Looks a bit gloomy... But that might just be me, as prefer overly colourful things.

If you're looking to keep that "badass" philosophy while keeping this wing of envorinment, may I suggest using neon green auras or electric blue? You know, so it would look like the glow of the master emerald or chaos emerald ^^ (Best thing to me is are electric red and blues). Although I could see that, if not applied well, it would turn out to be like a generic page...

Anyway, from what I see, you seem to have nice design talents. May to keep in mind my suggestion or not, I'm looking forward to the final product. =P

[KyleJCrb]

Looks a bit gloomy... But that might just be me, as prefer overly colourful things.

The gloomy look will fit the overall project. ;)

[Nicole Adams]

What about making the Sonic & Knuckles logo a pewter color rather than a bronze? Just a thought. :)

[Rexy]

I also see that people are avoiding Ice Cap like the plague. O_o I might have a stab if worst comes to worst.

[Vilecat]

This song is cursed, it makes you turn bald from frustration.
Joke aside, it seems no one who've tried Ice Cap has tried something out of techno-ish genre. If it can give someone ideas for it, why not try a more rock styled approach?

[hobo]

The website looks kickass. Good job. I love the battered bronze logo in the background.

[captain_llama]

Ooo, Rexy Ice cap would be great 8)

By the way, the PC version of the game (Sonic & Knuckles Collection) had different music for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base. It fills my heart with sadness that no one has done a remix of any of these versions, since the PC game is the one I always play, but it's probably too late in the project to consider at this point. However it could provide an alternative to doing yet another remix of the Genesis Ice Cap music so I thought I'd mention it.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ooo, Rexy Ice cap would be great 8)

By the way, the PC version of the game (Sonic & Knuckles Collection) had different music for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base. It fills my heart with sadness that no one has done a remix of any of these versions, since the PC game is the one I always play, but it's probably too late in the project to consider at this point. However it could provide an alternative to doing yet another remix of the Genesis Ice Cap music so I thought I'd mention it.

Nah.

[KyleJCrb]

This song is cursed, it makes you turn bald from frustration.
Joke aside, it seems no one who've tried Ice Cap has tried something out of techno-ish genre. If it can give someone ideas for it, why not try a more rock styled approach?

You must've missed Hadyn's take on it from awhile back. :P

[Hadyn]

haha, yeah... But compared to what I can do nowadays, that was reallllllllly lacking. I might do a newer version sometime, but probably not in time to make the project. Gotta get Carnival Night done first ^^;

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Speaking of Carnival Night, the last WIP I heard was sweet dude!

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Updated the front page, please read!!!!!!

[Antipode]

Lookin' pretty good to me! Oct. 31, eh?

[PlastikBag]

No Ice Cap? lol.

[Hadyn]

Oooooh, glad I read that. I didn't actually make plans for the bonus cuts section of the website. I completely forgot about it ^^;

I'll make sure to write it into my plans now :)

I won't do any more major work on the website for atleast another week as I have a more new, more urgent assignment that involves programming in Flash - it'll keep me busy. After that I also have some dodgy film editting assignment, but then I'll have a few weeks dedicated to the site.

Officially the site has to be handed in to my teacher on tues 13 september... Wait a second, that's like... 2 weeks... oooohhhh, whoops, read the wrong date... Damn, freaked out for a minute there. It's actually tues 27 september, which is a month away.

Don't hold your breath though as an extension may be in order, and even if I hand it in to the teacher on that day I may still add some things before it's finalised. Expect it finished in early October.

So yeah. That's my update for now.

[Antipode]

Whoa, I just noticed azure lake is open.

EDIT: Or...is it?!

[SnappleMan]

Heyo people!

I just got Sixto onboard for Flying Battery! I'll change the Snapple and House collab for another track.

For those who don't know him, he's an excellent musician and a fantastic addition to the project.

Let's all welcome him aboard!



Also, I know I said no more new people on the project, but ones that KFC and I ask personally are different... and stuff o_O

[KyleJCrb]

Sixto? Yeeeeesssss...It just keeps getting better and better. Hopefully that October 31st release still holds up!

[Antipode]

Mm, won't that release be pretty close to the release of Chrono Symphonic?

[Hadyn]

if it's too close i'm sure we could always release it later, spend more time on mastering and all.

[SnappleMan]

Mm, won't that release be pretty close to the release of Chrono Symphonic?

Yes, but ours wont suck :)

[Rexy]

Have the cuts been announced yet? We know they were meant to come yesterday, but the suspense is killing us :)

[Dahlia]

Heyo people!

I just got Sixto onboard for Flying Battery! I'll change the Snapple and House collab for another track.

For those who don't know him, he's an excellent musician and a fantastic addition to the project.

Let's all welcome him aboard!



Also, I know I said no more new people on the project, but ones that KFC and I ask personally are different... and stuff o_O

Sixto is "the man". Nice work on the recruiting. :D

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Have the cuts been announced yet? We know they were meant to come yesterday, but the suspense is killing us :)

I have to wait on someone first.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

Ok, I'm making a few cuts now. This will not be the end of cuts though.

-if you are on this list, this means that you will still be included on the project, but not on the main album. we will make a bonus section on our website to show your awesome work.-

Hadyn - Final Boss
Joker+krispy - Hidden Palace
antipode - Competiton Menu

-if you are on this list, you are cut from the project period-

AkumajoBelmont - Azure Lake (don't worry, he is on another song now).


I hate cuts, but they have to be done. Sir Nuts and Kanjinka, you guys are hanging neck and neck right now, so I need to hear your tracks. Sir Nuts, extra emphasis. I encourage that even if you got cut, to still keep working on the tracks and finish them. Let's get to work people! At this point it's time to get it in high gear. - kFc.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

oh, and the main page is updated.

[Ichitootah]

Well, just PMed the final version of my song to KFC. Wish me luck people. :) I don't know who else could possibly want to remix Balloon Park Competition though. :P

Edit: Are all songs on CD 2 "Bonus Cuts" not part of the album and just bonus cuts on the website? Or is it gonna be a true 2-discer?