Super Dodge Ball: Around the World - History

[KyleJCrb]

Former AtW remix "Breakbeat Market" is now posted onto OCR (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01832/). 'tis hot!

[KyleJCrb]

I'm sending out feedback on the WIPs I've gotten so far. If I miss you just let me know!

[Murmeli Walan]

Former AtW remix "Breakbeat Market" is now posted onto OCR (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01832/). 'tis hot!

Everyone's gotta check this out. avaris did some fantastic work.

[avaris]

Everyone's gotta check this out. avaris did some fantastic work.

Hey thanks for the shout out guys! Glad to see the project taking off so well recently; best of luck dudes!

[Dj Mokram]

Okay, remixer banner coming up! 8-)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3408/aroundtheworldremixer4.png

[KyleJCrb]

Hey, cool! Nice work, Mr. Mokram.

[Monobrow]

bump... Keep up the good work guys!

[KyleJCrb]

All right. Things have slowed down a little bit around here, partially due to my other project (http://tr.im/j22q), but also because I've been lazy. However, I'd like to get the proverbial ball rolling again: There has actually been a bit of progress behind the scenes, including artwork, a few WIPs, and even one finished track! (Remind me to get it to you to check out, Walan) I'll be talking to folks in the next few days to find out where they stand. From there, we'll look at another due date. Let's do it!

[Murmeli Walan]

6/12/09: As was mentioned yesterday by KyleJCrb, the moss is being shaken off the ball once again and we're making some more progress! A few new and updated WIPs have been received, and 8-Bit Instrument have finished their track! We'll report on the next WIP due date soon!

[Murmeli Walan]

More required SDB listening. Congrats, Brad! (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01858/)

[prophetik]

hey, forgot i subbed that way back when =) so happy i finally got a mix past the judges. fourteen tries =)

[KyleJCrb]

Just got a rockin' WIP from Sixto. We are actually getting progress done here, folks!

[KyleJCrb]

Let's get things moving again. I'm working out a schedule of due dates as follows:

August 31st, 2009 - Second WIP due date
September 21st, 2009 - Third WIP due date
October 26th, 2009 - FINAL TRACK due date

At each date, any remixer who shows no progress and hasn't discussed an alternative plan with me or Walan will be booted, with no remorse. The next due date is August 31st, 2009. GO GO GO!

Don't forget that you can sign up and post your WIPs for critique and discussion over at our forums (http://kngi.org/forum)!

[Murmeli Walan]

You guys heard the man, August 31th will be the next WIP date! Let's get these songs in and let's get this album out this year!

Also:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/Walan/otakon2009133.jpg

BOOYAHKA!

[KyleJCrb]

I see the site has some faith in us now. Awesome.

[prophetik]

what other album projects do OC Remix have in the works?

who can see the problem here

[Murmeli Walan]

what other album projects do OC Remix have in the works?

who can see the problem here

I blame that on Larry. I mean, he wasn't bright enough to not walk in front of the giant speakers while holding a microphone. I'm sure he didn't type the powerpoint, but he's a good person to blame things on.

That, and only half of the projects are listed. The girl who answered that question said Super Mario 64 and Pokemon.

[pu_freak]

lol... all of the projects I'm involved in (xept for this one) are left out. Does that mean projects I am on are doomed to fail? :P

[prophetik]

I blame that on Larry. I mean, he wasn't bright enough to not walk in front of the giant speakers while holding a microphone. I'm sure he didn't type the powerpoint, but he's a good person to blame things on.

That, and only half of the projects are listed. The girl who answered that question said Super Mario 64 and Pokemon.

no, that's just because he's not a mixer, not because he can't spell.

how did lufia get on there and LAProject didn't?

[KyleJCrb]

how did lufia get on there and LAProject didn't?

The site staff hates you.

[prophetik]

i knew that, i was hoping there was a less opinionated reason :<

[KyleJCrb]

So... 'sup, my remixin' dudes and dudettes?

[KyleJCrb]

Just sent out a couple PMs to the remixers of the older finished tracks, to see if they have lossless versions of their tracks lying around somewhere. Let me know, guys!

[KyleJCrb]

I'm bugging people about the project right now, so watch out if I come for you!

[KyleJCrb]

ULTRA COMBO!

Last week to get a WIP in, dudes. I'm a little worried because I haven't heard from Showroom Dummy, and he hasn't been to the site since the beginning of July (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=23981). But other than that, I've talked to most of you and things are looking pretty good. Keep it up!

[KyleJCrb]

M-M-M-MONSTER KILL.

This is it, folks! Last day before the due date. Most of you are in the clear, so progress is pretty good. Those of you who haven't submitted a WIP yet, please talk to me by tomorrow if you wish to keep your spot on this project.

[prophetik]

i'll break the monotony:

PONIES

[KyleJCrb]

C-c-c-c-c-combo breaker

[KyleJCrb]

DEADLINE GET!

Sadly, one person will be kicked from the list. Otherwise, turnout was great and we had a few updates. Next WIP due date will be September 21st. Let's get crackin' again!

[pu_freak]

Half a month to get another update... you really don't want us to get lazy do you :P

(yea yea I know the deadlines were already anounced earlier)

[KyleJCrb]

Nope. CHOP CHOP!

[Murmeli Walan]

9/1/09: The second WIP due date passed today, and we did pretty well. Nearly everyone checked in with Kyle, and we only lost Showroom Dummy to the sands of time. Filling in his spot and taking Team Japan: bLiNd! Welcome to the project!

Again, the third WIP due date is September 21st.

[prophetik]

i honestly thought this was my thread, and was horribly confused why walan posted in it.

[KyleJCrb]

Haha, owned.

[evktalo]

I'm sad to lose Showroom Dummy like that (upcoming ocremixer whose PRC entries I've really enjoyed - hope we'll still be hearing from him a lot!) but I guess that blind guy is ok too.

--Eino

[KyleJCrb]

I enjoy his work too, but I'm not sure what happened. I attempted PMing him several times, but he disappeared and hasn't even visited the forum since July.

[evktalo]

Yeah, that definitely sometimes happens with these internet project thingies.. kudos for the prompt (and pretty spiffy!) replacement!

--Eino

[pu_freak]

Too bad we lost SRD, but welcome bLiNd!

[Murmeli Walan]

http://tinycartridge.com/post/183001276/muscle-sparks-kunio-kun-sampler-this-newly

Good God, this sounds great. That is all.

[KyleJCrb]

That album actually is pretty damn good. Listening to it right now.







I think we can do better, though.

[pu_freak]

Oh shi- just a week before the deadline! There goes my free time...

[KyleJCrb]

I haven't been able to keep up with people as much as I would like to have for the past few weeks, so I'm not sure how many people are going to come through on this date. If I don't talk to you, come talk to me.

[Monobrow]

Ari's been working on his track for the last couple days. FINALLY. So you will have at least one making that deadline.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

I've been cracking that whip and Jordan has been working on his WIP since 4pm... it's now 12:57am on my side... and he has work in the morning at 8am. lol Hopefully he has something to give you by tomorrow... if not a done song. o.O

[KyleJCrb]

Tell that man to sleep. You don't need to drive him THAT hard for this project, really! :lol:

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

lmao I told him to go to bed an hour ago, but he wouldn't listen. :\ I stopped music whipping a while ago... haha I want him to sleep too, but he's determined.

"I don't want to go to sleep until I have something good."

How can I say no? :P

[KyleJCrb]

Haha. Honestly, I wasn't even really expecting bLiNd to hit the deadline since he came on so late, and I was perfectly fine with that. But I won't complain, so long as he doesn't kill himself with exhaustion.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

LOL To be quite frank, I didn't even know the deadline was tomorrow... (today...whatever) until I went on this thread 20 mins ago so it's kind of ironic. It wasn't planned on my side. I'm a big fan of the game's soundtrack so I just told him to go do something for it. :-P

Anyway, I told him to go to bed and stuff...his response?

"Give me another 15 mins."

:|

[Kinslayer]

That sounds like a response any man would give once he's started something...

Also, nice soundtrack choice...I've always like Dodgeball

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Yo homies... You haven't updated your first post... so I was just wondering of the next WIP date. dankeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[KyleJCrb]

October 26th. That was going to be the final date, but we're currently having a few setbacks...

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

October 26th. That was going to be the final date, but we're currently having a few setbacks...

Ah thank you good sir. I have heard of the Bad Dudes version... and I hope this one is better! hehe

[Murmeli Walan]

Yo homies... You haven't updated your first post... so I was just wondering of the next WIP date. dankeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Oops, that's my bad. I've been so busy with video editing project lately, that I haven't been on the forums for a couple of weeks. X.X But yes, October 26th.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

hehehehe... Do you need to edit the artists and WIP statuses too? ;-)

[Murmeli Walan]

hehehehe... Do you need to edit the artists and WIP statuses too? ;-)

Not until I get an actual WIP from him. NO until proven YES.

EDIT - Never mind, thanks Kyle!

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Yeahhh... I was just gonna say. bLiNd has been working on it NON-STOP. :P

[KyleJCrb]

Hadn't had the chance to give the WIP to Walan. It's all fixed now.

[Rexy]

Yeah, I also apologised for slipping aside the WIP deadline completely; my main priority was getting in a first demo ready for the Sonic 1 project (which checked out ok, may I add :)).
Rest assured, I'd have something finished and good to go by the 26th :D

[GTAHater836]

Ten days left!

[KyleJCrb]

Don't expect this until 2010.

[Level 99]

Don't expect this until 2010.

In fact, just don't expect ANY projects at all until 2015. Or 2034. Y'know what...forget all the projects, I'm gonna go make my own site. with BLACKJACK and HOOKERS!

From the preview tracks I've heard for this, though, this project will knock the pants right off of you whenever it is released.

[KyleJCrb]

In fact, just don't expect ANY projects at all until 2015. Or 2034. Y'know what...forget all the projects, I'm gonna go make my own site. with BLACKJACK and HOOKERS!

In fact, you should forget the Blackjack.

[Rexy]

Don't expect this until 2010.

Lol, some things never change. :D

[prophetik]

In fact, you should forget the Blackjack.

i'm pretty sure he already did.

[KyleJCrb]

Lol, some things never change. :D

Well, considering Xenogears coming out soon, and DKC2 projected for December, I've known for months that there was never going to be any room for this project until 2010 anyway. :-P

[Murmeli Walan]

From the preview tracks I've heard for this, though, this project will knock the pants right off of you whenever it is released.

It will knock your pants off...and then you'll be thrown to the ground...and then you'll die...and then your little angel will float up off the screen.

[overture]

just out of curiosity, was this project based/inspired by the bad dudes' "No Balls No Glory"?

[KyleJCrb]

Nope, this has been in production since 2005 and was started well before NBNG was announced and released. It's just taken us a bit more time.

[overture]

ah. i'm sure it will turn out as good as nbng, if not better!

[Rexy]

I don't know - as far as Team Iceland's concerned, DiggiDis took it in a swaver direction than I thought I could invision :P but I'm still happy to tackle it myself for the team.

And Kyle, get your email on standby - the WIP (and by that, hopefully a finished composition!) should be set in stone in the next few hours.

[pu_freak]

Yeah, No Balls No Glory was a top notch production and very hard to top. But that's not our intention. It's not that we want to beat them, it's that we want the tracks to be heard in yet another form, to get this soundtrack even more attention.

And to rock your socks off, of course

[overture]

i understand you guys aren't trying to beat them, just, this being a top-notch community, i'm saying it will turn out really stinkin' awesome

[KyleJCrb]

Some good news and some bad news on the front of this project coming soon.

[KyleJCrb]

Hmm, maybe I should get Walan to change the topic to remove that due date...

[KyleJCrb]

Well, OA has dropped Team England due to disinterest, but in his place steps DoD competitor Hoha (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=IQD&as_q=Hoha&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=dod.vgmix.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off)! Welcome aboard, man!

[LuketheXjesse]

Woah, seriously? Hoha makes AWESOME music. Can't wait 'til I hear his track. :)

[pu_freak]

I must say, this project is running VERY smoothly. A constant stream of finished tracks, only a few drop-out but those places are quickly taken by other people, not much drama... I like it

[hoha]

Oh my, it seems that i'm the only one with a "no" on the WIP status.Gotta start doing it right away :sleepdepriv:.

[KyleJCrb]

Sleep deprivation: The ultimate way of making remixes.

I'm thinking of setting a new WIP due date for December 31st.

[pu_freak]

I can make December 31st

[Murmeli Walan]

I must say, this project is running VERY smoothly. A constant stream of finished tracks, only a few drop-out but those places are quickly taken by other people, not much drama... I like it

All of that credit goes to Kyle. The man has networking skills I just simply don't have. Honestly, I don't listen to DoD nearly as much as I should, and I'm not familiar with hoha's work. But I very much trust Kyle's opinion and judgment. I'll be spending my free time this afternoon to check out his stuff.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

THANKS to the awesomeness of Willrock... we got into a conversation tonight on MSN. I was showing him Jordan's WIP for this project and he showed me this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFfzRhUsVlA

Team Japan intro? Holy snap.

[KyleJCrb]

THANKS to the awesomeness of Willrock... we got into a conversation tonight on MSN. I was showing him Jordan's WIP for this project and he showed me this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFfzRhUsVlA

Team Japan intro? Holy snap.

Team Japan is based heavily on a traditional Japanese folk song called "Sakura Sakura". The intro also makes an appearance as Piston Honda's entrance theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGMFC-jDyM) in Punch-Out.

In fact, a good bit of the music from Super Dodge Ball is based on various folk tunes from the countries they represent. Not all of them are, but I know Japan and USSR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabYYdQkS58) (Katyusha) are for sure, and I believe Team China and India are too.

Also in looking this stuff up, I'm finding a reference to the original music written for SDB being based on themes from another Kunio-Kun game, Renegade (http://nsf.hcs64.com/r/Renegade%20%5bNekketsu%20Kouha%20Kunio-kun%5d%20(1987)(Technos%20Japan).zip). Must look more into this.

Speaking of WIPs Jade, do you have a newer WIP of the song for this project than I do? =P

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Team Japan is based heavily on a traditional Japanese folk song called "Sakura Sakura". The intro also makes an appearance as Piston Honda's entrance theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGMFC-jDyM) in Punch-Out.

In fact, a good bit of the music from Super Dodge Ball is based on various folk tunes from the countries they represent. Not all of them are, but I know Japan and USSR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabYYdQkS58) (Katyusha) are for sure, and I believe Team China and India are too.

Also in looking this stuff up, I'm finding a reference to the original music written for SDB being based on themes from another Kunio-Kun game, Renegade (http://nsf.hcs64.com/r/Renegade%20%5bNekketsu%20Kouha%20Kunio-kun%5d%20(1987)(Technos%20Japan).zip). Must look more into this.

Speaking of WIPs Jade, do you have a newer WIP of the song for this project than I do? =P

Oh wow, I didn't know any of that. I know it sounded familiar to me, but I didn't know it was for certain a traditional Japanese folk song. Those are pretty kool sources. Thanks for sharing! =) I remember Punch-Out as a kid like yesterday but hearing this again after knowing Super Dodgeball source, it's kool. haha

And nah...I don't. haha He would've given it to you otherwise...No worries. He's been updating his PC as of late, though seems to never get done.

[KyleJCrb]

January 5th is the next WIP due date. GO GO GO!

[Bahamut]

January 5th is the next WIP due date. GO GO GO!

Gonna warn you, that's a terrible date with MAGFest on the horizon.

[KyleJCrb]

I know. I'm not too worried about it for most of my remixers though.

[pu_freak]

Like I would't buy a plane ticket just to go to MAGfest

[KyleJCrb]

I'm sad to report that Sixto has stepped down from this project. But in his place steps up Doesrock (http://ocremix.org/artist/5043/willrock), taking on Versus Play. Will will be providing some serious synth wankery, I do believe. Welcome aboard, man!

[Murmeli Walan]

Gonna warn you, that's a terrible date with MAGFest on the horizon.

Kyle wanted the date to be New Year's Eve, but I'll be at MAGfest this year, so I asked to have it moved back until after the event. I think most of the remixers wouldn't have a problem with it, but as always, let Kyle or myself know if it's not gonna fly.

[Murmeli Walan]

12/28/09: Another quick update on the album, the talented LuIzA has joined up to provide guitar work for the Team Kenya track! I've heard the most recent WIP, and it's getting better and better. Speaking of, a little angel that used to be a dodge ball player told me that another big name might be jumping on that track, as well.....

[KyleJCrb]

I've gotta tell ya, the beats on this project are all over the place...

[DCT]

12/28/09: Another quick update on the album, the talented LuIzA has joined up to provide guitar work for the Team Kenya track! I've heard the most recent WIP, and it's getting better and better. Speaking of, a little angel that used to be a dodge ball player told me that another big name might be jumping on that track, as well.....

"Joined up to provide guitar work" isn't as accurate a description as "rocked the living piss out of my mix."

Either one works though. :razz:

[Level 99]

"Joined up to provide guitar work" isn't as accurate a description as "rocked the living piss out of my mix."

Either one works though. :razz:

No no, I don't believe that's nearly accurate either. I don't think the words exist yet to describe what she's done, and I've tried looking. Even my 1947 Dictionary of Slang and Common Phrases doesn't have adequate terminology.

Looks like 2010 is going to be an absolutely stellar year for projects! I feel terrible that the next WIP date for this is the day after MAG ends, though. Do you give the procrastinators no chance?!

[KyleJCrb]

Bah, hardly anyone on this project is at MAG anyway, so that's no excuse.

[Murmeli Walan]

Bah, hardly anyone on this project is at MAG anyway, so that's no excuse.

Just me, and it's not like I make music or anything...

[Murmeli Walan]

Just me, and it's not like I make music or anything...

I take this back. Willrock, Protricity, and Rexy were all at MAG, too. Thanks for the project advice and encouragement, Ari and Mono! And thanks to everyone else who would listen to me excitedly talk about AtW at MAGFest.

[Emunator]

Willrock was at MAGFest? That's news to me, we were just talking yesterday about how neither of us were able to go, did he pull a fast one on me? :?

[KyleJCrb]

Rexy was at MAG? I'm actually a little surprised by that. I'm also a bit surprised that Prot was there too. But hey, it's all good since they're almost done with their tracks anyway, and Will has only been with us for a few weeks. So I'll let him slide. :-P

I am a little worried about Hoha, though...

[WillRock]

I take this back. Willrock, Protricity, and Rexy were all at MAG, too. Thanks for the project advice and encouragement, Ari and Mono! And thanks to everyone else who would listen to me excitedly talk about AtW at MAGFest.

lolz i'm not at MAG, there seems to be a rumor going round that i'm there according to some people...

Also, I'm not going to be able to deliever for the deadline kyle, sorry :tomatoface:

I'm still interested in the mix I have to do tho if i'm allowed to keep it :D

[Murmeli Walan]

lolz i'm not at MAG, there seems to be a rumor going round that i'm there according to some people...

Also, I'm not going to be able to deliever for the deadline kyle, sorry :tomatoface:

I'm still interested in the mix I have to do tho if i'm allowed to keep it :D

Ah, that's what I get from hearing it from somebody else. Count that as my bad, sir. Same with Rexy, I'm sure I heard her name at the OCR panel, but I didn't actually meet her myself.

Hey, if Kyle's okay with it, then I am. Hell, even if he's not okay with it, I'll make him be, haha.

[KyleJCrb]

Willrock is fine.

[Rexy]

Let me guess - did SnappleMan did a more convincing cosplay of me this time around? That's the only thing I can guess, really. :D

Also as you already know, I DO have a finished composition (and had it shown by the previous deadline), alas I've been too sick over the past week to really refine it. If you can give me a couple more weeks, then I should be okay.

[Murmeli Walan]

Let me guess - did SnappleMan did a more convincing cosplay of me this time around? That's the only thing I can guess, really. :D

Also as you already know, I DO have a finished composition (and had it shown by the previous deadline), alas I've been too sick over the past week to really refine it. If you can give me a couple more weeks, then I should be okay.

Of course you can have the extra time. Just make sure you get it done soon, k?

[KyleJCrb]

Big news:

HOLY CRAP MEGA RAAAAANNNNNNN ON TEAM KENYA

Also, Hoha's WIP is really good shit.

chrono26 has also wrapped up his Team Shadow remix.

[HitoriJaNai]

Big news:

HOLY CRAP MEGA RAAAAANNNNNNN ON TEAM KENYA

Also, Hoha's WIP is really good shit.

chrono26 has also wrapped up his Team Shadow remix.

Mega Ran? That's the guy who did that Megaman album, right? (Or whatever it was, my ignorant self is also too lazy to check)

[Murmeli Walan]

Mega Ran? That's the guy who did that Megaman album, right? (Or whatever it was, my ignorant self is also too lazy to check)

That's right, it's Random, the same person who released the acclaimed Mega Ran and Mega Ran 9 albums will be appearing on Around the World. I excitedly spilled the beans to a couple people at MAGFest, but we're making the official announcement now. Closer and closer we move towards completion!

[Murmeli Walan]

1/5/10: Happy New Year, everybody! Some big announcements to make: Rexy is finished, chrono26 is finished, and everybody else is moving closer to completion (Protricity, and Monobrow even updated me in person at MAGFest! *squee*) But this is the biggest Around the World announcement to date: one of my favorite rappers in the nerdcore scene is joining the album! It's none other than Random aka Mega Ran, who released his Mega Ran and Mega Ran 9 albums to much acclaim in the game music and hip-hop communities. He'll be providing lyrics over DCT and LuIza's Team Kenya mix, and I've gotta say that I'm more than excited by this news. 2010 will be the year for Around the World!

[KyleJCrb]

Walan and I are very pleased. Progress has been moving steadily along, and I would consider all of the songs except two to be complete, or very close to it. 8 Bit Instrumental have taken their track back in the shop to rework the mastering after the recent judges decision, and Ryan8bit will be doing a leaner, meaner rendition of Bean Ball as we wrap up.

I'm setting the next due date for January 31st. I would like to get as many finished tracks as possible by that date. I'm fully confident in having most of the music side of ATW done by the end of February.

Finally, I may release a preview soon, though that's up to Walan and popular demand.

[LuketheXjesse]

popular demand.

I demand a damn preview.

Or else.

[Murmeli Walan]

I demand a damn preview.

Or else.

Normally, I'd disagree with everything you say, but seeing as how Slash Man was the bane of my weekend, I will go ahead with this because I don't want to be stuck in place with red goo balls and raped to hell and back.

[HitoriJaNai]

I second the idea of a preview!

Death threats not required or accompanied... though I will resort to throwing cute Pokemon at you people if you turn the idea down. :D

[KyleJCrb]

Well then, here we go: A preview of the Around the World project (http://kngi.org/atw/AroundTheWorldProjectPreview.mp3)! Note that the Versus Play remix included here is NOT by Willrock, as I don't have one from him yet. The one here will be included as a bonus track since it wasn't quite finished. The rest will be on the final project, but are subject to be tweaked, changed, or revamped without reason.

As for which track is which, you'll have to figure that out yourself. No tracklist for you!

[K.B.]

I am suddenly very interested in this project.

[Emunator]

I am suddenly very interested in this project.

It wouldn't have anything to do with the new banner in Kyle's sig, would it? :<

[KyleJCrb]

Mwahahahahaha.

[Murmeli Walan]

Well, it's better than another testicle reference, anyway...

[Otakatt]

Well, it's better than another testicle reference, anyway...

Ask Kyle about the first 'promotional image' I sent his way. :lol: That'll teach him not to be specific in what he asks for.

But yeah! Preview sounds great, so big thumbs up to everyone on that. I wasn't interested in this project at all admittedly as I'm not familiar with the source tunes at all, but the preview changed my mind. Looking forward to seeing this finished!

[Murmeli Walan]

Ask Kyle about the first 'promotional image' I sent his way. :lol: That'll teach him not to be specific in what he asks for.

But yeah! Preview sounds great, so big thumbs up to everyone on that. I wasn't interested in this project at all admittedly as I'm not familiar with the source tunes at all, but the preview changed my mind. Looking forward to seeing this finished!

I looked through some of your gallery. I'm....interested...

Hey! Glad to hear you enjoyed the preview track. I've heard a bunch of people tell me that they weren't interested until they heard the source, it's a real shame that the SDB soundtrack isn't as celebrated as RCR or other great NES OSTs. We're very close to getting the music side of things wrapped up, actually.

[djpretzel]

I am suddenly very interested in this project.

Actually, I'm serious when I say you should roll with this as the official art. Maybe if binjovi is up for doing a higher def version or something, that could be the album cover? I mean, if you definitely wanna stick with a more serious tone, that's fine, but I think this would get a LOT more eyes on the album, then when you hit 'em with the actual music, things could get a bit... classier. As in, not just about boobs. Being covered by vollleyballs.

Seriously.

[Emunator]

Actually, I'm serious when I say you should roll with this as the official art. Maybe if binjovi is up for doing a higher def version or something, that could be the album cover? I mean, if you definitely wanna stick with a more serious tone, that's fine, but I think this would get a LOT more eyes on the album, then when you hit 'em with the actual music, things could get a bit... classier. As in, not just about boobs. Being covered by vollleyballs.

Seriously.
I second this wholeheartedly.

Although, in the interests of continuity and a unifying theme, I think the songs should all be reworked to incorporate the new djp-approved Boobs concept. In fact, forget the music. Let's just release an album full of boobs. That'll show 'em.

[The Coop]

... boobs. Being covered by vollleyballs.

This should be universally called "volleyboobs".

[KyleJCrb]

Actually, I'm serious when I say you should roll with this as the official art. Maybe if binjovi is up for doing a higher def version or something, that could be the album cover? I mean, if you definitely wanna stick with a more serious tone, that's fine, but I think this would get a LOT more eyes on the album, then when you hit 'em with the actual music, things could get a bit... classier. As in, not just about boobs. Being covered by vollleyballs.

Seriously.

As good of an idea as this may be, OA has already been working on the cover art.

[GTAHater836]

Were the balls white in the original game? (I've never played it.) I always thought red made more sense for dodge balls.

[Otakatt]

Were the balls white in the original game? (I've never played it.) I always thought red made more sense for dodge balls.

Red dodgeballs are the balls I got pelted in the face with in high school... I remember that!

But I don't remember the color of the dodgeballs in the *actual* game. However when I googled up the game covers and official art the balls were white and offwhite.

[KyleJCrb]

The balls in the game are volleyballs, and therefore are white.










Hey, at least they aren't blue.

[Otakatt]

Hey, at least they aren't blue.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t6/VirescentElf/Hosted/blueballs.png

[KyleJCrb]

I just had to say something, didn't I?

[Murmeli Walan]

As good of an idea as this may be, OA has already been working on the cover art.

Back cover.
Inlay.
The friggin' disc art.

If Dave says there should be volleyball-obscured titties on the album, then goddammit, there'll be volleyball-obscured titties!

[DCT]

boobs.

boobs.

titties!

Now we've got a project on our hands!

[The Coop]

Now we've got a project on our hands!

Don't you mean 'in'?

[DCT]

Ahh, I stand corrected.

[GTAHater836]

Really nice job with the teaser trailer! A few days ago, it dawned on me that the director didn't just pick this game blindly: There's a LOT of really good source material in Super Dodge Ball that I've only just heard. And the ReMixes? They have some of the best relations to said source material since the first half of last decade! I've read somewhere that 2010 is going to be the year for Around the World, and because of how much I liked the preview, I'm holding my breath on that idea being legit.

Exceptional job, all of you!

[KyleJCrb]

Walan and I are currently brainstorming a few other ideas for the blue-haired Dodgeball Chick, aka ATW-tan. (Yes, the first remix project with a -tan! Take that, other remix projects!) It'll be awesome.

[LuketheXjesse]

Man I love Around the World-tan.

[PeonU]

Lovin the preview i'm glad this project still have some life in it. Just for the record I'm like the champion of this game no one has ever beat me and my team india. :)

http://www.huguesjohnson.com/scans/nintendo-ads/super-dodge-ball-h.jpg

[KyleJCrb]

About a week left to get those tracks in, folks! GO GO GO!

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Jordan is close getting done....

Anyone else almost done?

[Monobrow]

Ari has a good solid updated WIP done already, but he is trying to finish it asap too.

He deleted the last two minutes he had and is going to try again *_*

[Murmeli Walan]

Jordan is close getting done....

Anyone else almost done?

Besides Jordan and Ari, Rexy's about done (she rewrote her old mix), DCT is looking for more people to collab with (we may be looking at a megamix there), 8-Bit Instrumental's working on a new version after getting NO'd by the judges' panel, but I haven't heard from Hoha or Willrock just yet. Kyle may have, but he's been away on vacation, so I haven't talked to him in about a week or so. I'll message them both later today and wait to hear back.

[KyleJCrb]

Hoha emailed me yesterday and said he won't be finished with his track by the 31st but did give me an ETA, which I'm fine with. Not sure on Will yet.

[Emunator]

Willrock's told me that this project is next on his list of things to do, so hopefully you won't have to wait much longer before he shows you something WIP'd :-)

[Murmeli Walan]

Willrock's told me that this project is next on his list of things to do, so hopefully you won't have to wait much longer before he shows you something WIP'd :-)

I'm not worried. I know he's deep in the middle of the Robot Master Tourney (good luck!), so if this is his very next task after that, then awesome.

[KyleJCrb]

It's the due date. Things are looking good!

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Jordan should be giving you something today, Kyle.

[WillRock]

Willrock's told me that this project is next on his list of things to do, so hopefully you won't have to wait much longer before he shows you something WIP'd :-)

Yeah this is true... I just need to get this compo out the way first (which I should NEVER have entered :P)
I won't be able to get you a wip for today for that reason but this is at the top of my things to do list after the compo.

[Bahamut]

Is this the year of project heaven?

[Murmeli Walan]

Project heaven or project hell

let's rock

[KyleJCrb]

bLiNd is finished.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Yeah this is true... I just need to get this compo out the way first (which I should NEVER have entered :P)
I won't be able to get you a wip for today for that reason but this is at the top of my things to do list after the compo.

You suck man. Not kool. :P

bLiNd is finished.

:-D

[WillRock]

You suck man. Not kool. :P



:-D

Says the person I have a finished track for :D

Your so not getting your other track now :P
just kidding, <3 you really

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Says the person I have a finished track for :D

Your so not getting your other track now :P
just kidding, <3 you really

ROFL but but but Kyle should get a track too :cry:

[KyleJCrb]

It's all good. I came to Will extremely late in the game.

[KyleJCrb]

By the way, the next due date is March 22nd. I'm looking to get as many finished tracks as possible, since so many of you are really, REALLY close to being done. Chop chop, boys and girl!

[KyleJCrb]

10 days to go! GO GO GO!

[Murmeli Walan]

Not much to add, but I just got a fantastic WIP today from Hoha. His track is playing with England in a million different ways while still staying true to the source. Just a few more days until the next WIP deadline, let's keep it going!

[KyleJCrb]

Tomorrow is the next date. I only need to hear from Rexy and Willrock.

[WillRock]

I'll most likely get you something by tomorrow kyle.

[Murmeli Walan]

3/22/10: It is WIP deadline time once again, we're looking good, and nearly everyone has checked in. No time to waste, most of these tracks are very close to completion, so we're shooting for a closer date to the next deadline: April 12th!

I've also reworked the track listing to more accurately reflect the progress we've been making. 7 Tracks are totally finished, 4 are in WIP state, and 2 are being reworked from their earlier versions. I've also updated with the names of the other rappers currently on DCT's track, including his fellow Urbanizm Music (http://www.urbanizmmusic.com) colleagues Khakolak Boy (http://www.urbanizmmusic.com/artist/khakolakboy) and JustUs (http://www.audiostreet.net/artist.aspx?artistid=25875) (who you may remember from the classic Sonic 3 ReMix (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01350/)), and also featuring the fantastic Navi aka Mythril Nazgul (http://ocremix.org/artist/4666/mythril-nazgul)!

Believe it not, Kyle and I still have a couple more surprises up our sleeves regarding the album! Stay tuned!

[Rexy]

Kyle, I'm still working on it; last time I said that I had some RAM issues in getting it exactly how I wanted.
I've found a way to get around it and have worked as much as I can throughout the course of the past week, though it would take me a little past the deadline to fully realise it. I'll have the finished track ready by Friday, I'm absolutely certain of it :D

[DCT]

I've also updated with the names of the other rappers currently on DCT's track, including his fellow Urbanizm Music (http://www.urbanizmmusic.com) colleagues Khakolak Boy (http://www.urbanizmmusic.com/artist/khakolakboy) and JustUs (http://www.audiostreet.net/artist.aspx?artistid=25875) (who you may remember from the classic Sonic 3 ReMix (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01350/)), and also featuring the fantastic Navi aka Mythril Nazgul (http://ocremix.org/artist/4666/mythril-nazgul)!
Urbanizm Music: We gits BIZZAY.™

[Murmeli Walan]

Urbanizm Music: We gits BIZZAY.™

By my count, there's more than enough people on this track to make your own dodge ball team.

[Monobrow]

Ari's song keeps getting longer and longer *_*

[Murmeli Walan]

Ari's song keeps getting longer and longer *_*

Disc 1: Super Dodge Ball: Around the World
Disc 2: Super Dodge Ball: Around the World (Ari's Track)

[Level 99]

Disc 1: Super Dodge Ball: Around the World
Disc 2: Super Dodge Ball: Around the World (Ari's Track)

O_O

*gulp*

[Murmeli Walan]

4/1/10: Odd, it seems like this project gets canceled every year on the first of April...

[Murmeli Walan]

Tick tock, tick tock...

[LuketheXjesse]

WIPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

[Bahamut]

6 tracks left...you guys can do it!

[Murmeli Walan]

In other sorta-related news, those of you who are YouTube inclined should head over to OCR's channel and check Willrock's new remix from Super Mario Land 2! Great coverage from an underrated soundtrack (just like some other video game I know...) :-)

[pu_freak]

Wips? wips? more wips? WIPS! GIMMA WIPS! I... NEED... WIPS!

[Rexy]

I've just sent my WIP in Kyle's mailbox. It should hopefully be very close to final in production too :D

[Murmeli Walan]

I've just sent my WIP in Kyle's mailbox. It should hopefully be very close to final in production too :D

Yep, I like the little references to other songs that you made in this version.

I've also gotten word that Protricity should be finished with his track today. Other people who Kyle or I haven't heard from yet, get in here!

[DCT]

Yep, I like the little references to other songs that you made in this version.

I've also gotten word that Protricity should be finished with his track today. Other people who Kyle or I haven't heard from yet, get in here!
We're rounding the home stretch on our mix; I'll shoot you and/or Kyle a PM to keep you up to date.

[WillRock]

I'm currently overrun with uni work (BLAH) but i'll get back to my track when thats done (two weeks away)

I'm still working on it little by little but don't expect an update for the next few weeks basically

[Bahamut]

So can we expect this to come out this year? :puppyeyes:

[Murmeli Walan]

So can we expect this to come out this year? :puppyeyes:

Yes. No maybes, no kind of sort ofs, no excuses. AtW will come out this year. Album schedules be damned.

[KyleJCrb]

I'm thinking more around December 2012, personally.

[Murmeli Walan]

I'm thinking more around December 2012, personally.

I'd like this out sometime before the end of all creation. That would be rad.

[Level 99]

I'm with Murmeli: before end of all creation, and before the end of this year if at ALL possible. Pull out all stops.

[GTAHater836]

I'm thinking more around December 2012, personally.

GTAHater: *Gaaaaaaasp!* ......KYLE!!!!
KyleJCRB: Say something, Mr. Hankey!

Why would it take that long, after all the measures taken to make 2010 "the year for Super Dodge Ball"?

[Murmeli Walan]

I'm with Murmeli: before end of all creation, and before the end of this year if at ALL possible. Pull out all stops.

Not "if at all possible". This year. No excuses. Stops will be pulled.

[pu_freak]

So we're going to make 2012 then?

Still, I actually believe this comes out this year. Perhaps I'm too naive :P

[Murmeli Walan]

So we're going to make 2012 then?

Still, I actually believe this comes out this year. Perhaps I'm too naive :P

No, not naive. It's coming out. This year. No excuses. 2012 can eat a weiner.

[KyleJCrb]

Twenty-Twelve.

[Murmeli Walan]

Twenty Twelve. Weiners. Can eat.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Holy shit, Team Kenya song is gonna be AMAZING.

::cough::

yeah.. I haven't been around the threads these days...was hoping your project would be done BEFORE the summer... I still have good faith though.

[GTAHater836]

For a month and a half, this project has sat in eerie silence. Production looks like it's been stagnant now for 2 months (progress list should be updated to prove otherwise).

That preview is so tantalizing... I sincerely hope this gets released in October.

[Chernabogue]

Wow, it seems this project has found its own "Black Wing Metamorphosis"! Also, the preview is really great!

[DCT]

Holy shit, Team Kenya song is gonna be AMAZING.

This is true.

For a month and a half, this project has sat in eerie silence.

Like ninjas? They move in eerie silence, and then when you least expect it, POW!

Something to think about.

-D

[Murmeli Walan]

Glad to hear you guys are enjoying the preview track! I do admit that there's been a little bit of a slowdown again, but the people who are still in the WIP phase are SO close to finishing their tracks. I believe that the next big update Kyle and I will have to share with you all with be a wave (bad pun) of finished .wavs being turned in.

You guys have been so patient, and I wanna make it up by having the album finished this year. I've been saying it since Magfest, and it's still a feasible goal.

[Murmeli Walan]

7/13/10: Some small updates: Rexy's track is finished, and Stevo aka Level 99 has contributed some live guitar to Protricity's track!

Congratulations to Level 99 on joining his 75th OCR remix project! Nice Work Stevo! :-P

[Level 99]

7/13/10: Some small updates: Rexy's track is finished, and Stevo aka Level 99 has contributed some live guitar to Protricity's track!

Congratulations to Level 99 on joining his 75th OCR remix project! Nice Work Stevo! :-P

http://ramblingfish.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/08/grandpa_simpson_yelling_at_cloud_001.jpg

[Murmeli Walan]

Hoha, Willrock, Andy Jayne: Where are you guys?

[WillRock]

i'm here, my track is still in the works tho.

[Murmeli Walan]

i'm here, my track is still in the works tho.

*thumbs up* As long as it's still getting worked on, it's all good.

[Murmeli Walan]

Oh, you silly people in Community, of course Protricity's still around! Very stand up guy, too. I like him.

And thanks for the thinly veiled excuse to bump this thread even though there's been no progress lately...

[WillRock]

Got a problem... I've just lost my SDB wip :(

Stupid crappy computer... I got a backup of it somewhere, altho a very old version iirc... i'll let you know how it goes.

[Murmeli Walan]

Got a problem... I've just lost my SDB wip :(

Stupid crappy computer... I got a backup of it somewhere, altho a very old version iirc... i'll let you know how it goes.

http://www.assimquefas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fuuuuuuu.png

Oh, that's awful to hear. Kyle and I hope you can bounce back from this setback.

[WillRock]

http://www.assimquefas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fuuuuuuu.png

Oh, that's awful to hear. Kyle and I hope you can bounce back from this setback.

Got a back up. Its pretty close to finished now anyway, I probably would have given you an overdubbed version of my latest wip and called it done. Don't worry bout it.

[Murmeli Walan]

Excellent.

I've also heard from hoha, he should be finished with his track this month.

[Murmeli Walan]

9/4/10: I think the time has finally come. All of the people who are in the WIP stages now are nearly finished with their tracks. With this in mind, I am setting a FINAL DEADLINE for November 1st, two months from now. Send the final .wav render to either Kyle or myself before that date. We're so close now to reaching our goal of finishing all the music this year!

[WillRock]

9/4/10: I think the time has finally come. All of the people who are in the WIP stages now are nearly finished with their tracks. With this in mind, I am setting a FINAL DEADLINE for November 1st, two months from now. Send the final .wav render to either Kyle or myself before that date. We're so close now to reaching our goal of finishing all the music this year!

Read and noted :P

[Monobrow]

Ari is done.

:D

[KyleJCrb]

Yes, and it's badass.

But what about you? :-P

[Murmeli Walan]

Ari is done.

:D

Let Ari know that I think he is awesome.

[Murmeli Walan]

http://thepunkeffect.com/?p=495

This is more of a thread bump than anything, but here's Pat the NES Punk reviewing Super Dodge Ball. Turns out it's one of his favorite games too! It's a good review, so if you ever wondered why I'm so obsessive over this obscure NES game and its music, check it out.

[WillRock]

SDB is now a COLLAB, with none other than level 100.

And we shall blow your minds with our high voltage rock.

[KyleJCrb]

I can't keep Stevo out of this project.

[Level 99]

I can't keep Stevo out of this project.

I'm just helping facilitate track completion upon Willrock's request, nothing really more than that. Basically, drums and mastering.

I want to see this project DONE AND OUT already.

[Murmeli Walan]

I'm just helping facilitate track completion upon Willrock's request, nothing really more than that. Basically, drums and mastering.

I want to see this project DONE AND OUT already.

You're not the only one. Thanks again!

[WillRock]

And we are DONE!!!

Kyle, Check ur PMs

[hoha]

Yah, another 4 days to go. I'm 99% finished. Reserving the 1% for some final, last minute changes before 1 Nov.

Anyway, what's next after 1 Nov?

[KyleJCrb]

Hopefully release.

[Bahamut]

Lots of projects getting ready to come out these days! Can't wait 8)

[KyleJCrb]

There's only one song left! Kenya believe it?

[Murmeli Walan]

There's only one song left! Kenya believe it?

Nairobi either!

ugh...

[Murmeli Walan]

11/1/10: Since the last update, hoha and Willrock are finished, with Stevo providing another assist. Thanks again! One track is left, DCT has been having some trouble getting rappers on board, but I'm positive he'll be close to being finished soon. There's a bunch of projects in line before us, so we do have a window of time still open. Getting close to the home stretch!

[KyleJCrb]

So like, yeah. This thing is like, practically done. It's like, awesome. Ohmahgawd.

[JaDE ARaN HaRuNo]

Oh... No wonder this isn't done yet. Luiza has changed her life route. I was hoping this was done already. Keeping my fingers crossed for 2011 at least, Kyle.

[KyleJCrb]

Don't worry, it's not Luiza holding up the last track.

And yeah, I've already talked to Larry: We're slated for 2011 for sure. But I'm okay with that, as outside of the music, we've got plenty of other things to wrap up!

[DCT]

Don't worry, it's not Luiza holding up the last track.

:oops:
10char

[KyleJCrb]

:oops:
10char

It's not really you either. I'm blaming your hired help. :-P

[KyleJCrb]

Okay, the queue of album releases is immensely packed right now (Teen Agent, Pokemanz, Sonic 1, Zelda LA, AND possibly FFV Volume 2 are all in line,) so we won't be seeing the light of day until after January of 2011. In light of this, I've decided that we have time to eke out one more remix for this thing, so I've carefully selected one man for the job: ergosonic! Now rest assured that Chrono did a great job with his version and we will still be including it, but I've been wanting a rockin' remix of Team Shadow ever since I first played this game, and the alternate rendition that Gilbert will be supplying should be appropriately face-melty. It'll be awesome and I can't wait to hear it. Welcome aboard, good sir!

To quell your fears of more delays: I will not be adding any more remixers or tracks to this project. The listing is now finalized.

Outside of that, DCT should be wrapping up (wink wink nudge nudge) and we're beginning planning on the website and album artwork. We'll be ready to go once a hole in the release schedule opens up!

[WillRock]

Okay, the queue of album releases is immensely packed right now (Teen Agent, Pokemanz, Sonic 1, Zelda LA, AND possibly FFV Volume 2 are all in line,) so we won't be seeing the light of day until after January of 2011. In light of this, I've decided that we have time to eke out one more remix for this thing, so I've carefully selected one man for the job: ergosonic! Now rest assured that Chrono did a great job with his version and we will still be including it, but I've been wanting a rockin' remix of Team Shadow ever since I first played this game, and the alternate rendition that Gilbert will be supplying should be appropriately face-melty. It'll be awesome and I can't wait to hear it. Welcome aboard, good sir!

To quell your fears of more delays: I will not be adding any more remixers or tracks to this project. The listing is now finalized.

Outside of that, DCT should be wrapping up (wink wink nudge nudge) and we're beginning planning on the website and album artwork. We'll be ready to go once a hole in the release schedule opens up!

good choice of mixer, ergosonic will melt your faces off :P

[KyleJCrb]

That's pretty much the idea. :-P

[pu_freak]

Damn you Kyle and your inability to wrap up projects :P Aside from that, an ergosonic remix will be freaking awesome

[Emunator]

Damn ergo, you're getting around :-P

Even though I'm not a fan of the original game, I'm very excited for this remix project because it seems like you guys have handled your QC very well, especially considering how long this has been going on. Good luck :-D

[KyleJCrb]

So I just heard a near-final version of DCT's rapping super-collab.

Holy shit.

My mind.

It's been blown.

[Murmeli Walan]

So I just heard a near-final version of DCT's rapping super-collab.

Holy shit.

My mind.

It's been blown.

Seriously. What am I gonna do about this GIANT HYPOTHETICAL ERECTION that this song has given me? You guys are gonna go crazy over it.

[Monobrow]

In.... 20011...

SO SINCE THIS PROJECT IS DONE AND STUFF SEND SOME OF THESE MIXERS MY WAY OKAY? KTHX :J

Anyway sorry to hear of the delay Kyle and Walan, but I know the quality will more than hold up for a year from now, from what I've heard.

If you need any website/design help, I'm ur gurl with a url.

[Emunator]

If you need any website/design help, I'm ur gurl with a url.

... *slow clap*

[Murmeli Walan]

I don't have anything new to report or add right now, but I didn't want my thread to be under the locked Teen Agent thread. :-P

...so....anybody try out the SDB fangame River City Dodgeball All Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c_8AUJLxCE)?

[KyleJCrb]

http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32570

Someone explain the policy to me. I've read it, but I don't understand the reasoning.

[DragonAvenger]

http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32570

Someone explain the policy to me. I've read it, but I don't understand the reasoning.

Because the source itself is based a lot on a folk song it kind of removes it from being a 'videogame' song per se. The only song that is allowed (and probably ever will be) is from Tetris because it is so much more widely known as 'The song from Tetris'. That help clarify?

[KyleJCrb]

Even though they are both traditional folk tunes from their respective countries of origin and are in the public domain? Sure, 'Korobeiniki' may be more widely known as the Tetris theme, but it is still, at its core, a traditional tune in exactly the same vein as 'Sakura Sakura'.

[DragonAvenger]

You'd have to ask Dave or Larry or maybe Vinnie to clarify for sure, but I think the gist of it is that videogame versions are essentially arranging the folk song, and therefore are not original tracks of their own. Because of that, it's more like the artist is arranging the folk song rather than a videogame track.

[KyleJCrb]

I understand the reasoning behind not accepting remixes of non-VGM, but 'Korobeiniki' remixes being accepted while this is rejected for being a remix of a folk song just like most of the other Tetris remixes here is frustrating.

Now I guess we just wait and see how many more from this project will get rejected. More setbacks...

[bLiNd]

It's pretty upsetting to say the least because the original song has just that main melody while the super dodgeball version has soooo much more to it, lots of original parts that are only in the game, which you mentioned in the thread. But regardless, depriving ocr of the remix because of some politics like that is just nonsense...

not to mention, aren't MOST of super dodgeballs songs arrangements of folksongs from around the world?

[KyleJCrb]

not to mention, aren't MOST of super dodgeballs songs arrangements of folksongs from around the world?

Just Japan and USSR for sure. I've never been able to find confirmation that any other songs from the game are based on folk songs.

[bLiNd]

aah yea wasnt sure about that. oh well. Trying to get ahold of people so I can make an alternate for postage

[Monobrow]

These songs are from a video game.

They are public domain.

They are arrangements of folk songs but are definitely "recognizable" to people that played Super Dodge Ball as songs from the game.

I don't see what the problem is here. Also couldn't this have been discussed you know, like five years ago?

[WillRock]

This is where ocr standards kinda take the piss imo. If people recogniese it as a video game remix, then I don't see why it shouldn't be on ocr. I understand that it not being video game music originally makes it a no go, but having tetris as an exception to this rule just isn't fair imo, particularly if the reasoning for that is "just because its tetris". If tetris is allowed on ocr, then any other game that uses folk music like this should be.

[Liontamer]

I don't see what the problem is here. Also couldn't this have been discussed you know, like five years ago?

Because of this submission (http://ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2293), the discussion was already done 6 years ago with Ari leading it among the judges. The consensus (i.e. everyone but Binnie :lol:) was that Tetris is our one and only game with a non-VGM, traditional, or public domain source tune exception.

I actually sided with Binnie in being against the Tetris exception as well, but I also could live with it as long as the specific exception was added to the standards. It's been enumerated by name in the standards for 6 years, it's not as if it just crept in somewhere.

I dunno how Dave explained things to Kyle, and not saying I agree with the following points, but there are unique circumstances with Tetris's music which caused it to be very strongly co-opted as a game theme in the greater public consciousness, otherwise this exception wouldn't have been made: 1) unlike 99% of video games, the Game Boy version sold more than 30 million copies, 2) the song has no identifiable composer, creating less of a sense of ownership, 3) this perception of the music in the public was established well before the creation of OCR.

But honestly, any talk of being "unfair" only makes it more likely that the Tetris mixes would be removed rather than any further exceptions being made for Super Dodge Ball or Mortal Kombat or DDR or Star Wars, etc. :lol:

Anyway, just playing devil's advocate and explaining what went into the lone exception for Tetris. I may not have covered everything, but Dave may want to elaborate or clarify.

As far as Jordan's track, even if there were no revisions made and it stayed as is (which there's nothing wrong with), nothing prevents it from being a great addition to Around the World, even if it wasn't posted as an individual OC ReMix.

[KyleJCrb]

Mortal Kombat or DDR or Star Wars, etc. :lol:

These are bad examples, because those are mainstream songs that are obviously still under copyright, with known composer credits, and (in the case of Mortal Kombat) are songs that never actually appeared in a game at all. Both 'Sakura Sakura' and Korobeiniki' don't fall under any of that.

Removing Tetris is a bad idea, regardless.

[Monobrow]

I can see where that rule would make sense. You don't want someone covering a Linkin Park song from a Tony Hawk game and submitting it as an OCREMIX...

But when it comes to public domain songs that would be identifiable to the video game itself, especially one as obviously thematic as Super Dodgeball... I think its should be more of a gray area ruling of "what makes the most sense" other than one sweeping guideline rule. Criteria on a more individual song by song basis.

The judgment on Jordan's song wasn't just because it was from a folk song, it was because of "how much" of the arrangement of the song vs. the original material was used... But from what I saw Vinnie post there, Jordan used more of the original source from the game and interpretation than the meat of Sakura Sakura... Or am I reading that wrong? I think this is besides the point anyway though.

My point is, the remixes are obviously made in appreciation of the video game and the music therein, not so much because they are folk songs we've heard in other formats. I've not heard a few of them outside of Dodgeball personally.

Popularity of the source just doesn't seem like a great reasoning for whether or not something should be NO'd when there are other aspects of the songs themselves that can be considered... The inherent interpretation on an 8-bit system, an arrangement to make them more exciting for a video game, and the obvious nostalgia people that played this game experience when they hear these songs redone and posted on OCR. There will be a connection there with the listener and they will be identified towards the video game, not so much the folk song.

When I meant discussed, I didn't mean a submission from six years ago... And yeah I disagree with Binnie's argument there too, but it seems just like a safer way to deal with the issue because it can open up a can of worms...

It's such an obscure OST with such a blurred use of original vs. arranged materia... But association with the game itself is what I think ANYONE who downloads this album will understand and appreciate.

And just, well I'm not placing any blame here, but a heads up in some way to the remixers that this would be a problem, I'm really surprised this is only being mentioned NOW at the very end, it's unfortunate for everyone involved *_*

[Murmeli Walan]

Ok, time for my opinion. For me, all the music in SDB is tied to that game. I wasn't aware that any of the music was based on folk music until I started this project. That being said: I do kind of side on the judges here. I mean, it's kinda hard for remixers to know sometimes what was composed for the game and what was covered. You don't want people remixing the William Tell Overture because it was used in the NES game Road Runner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81B0Iqn7cqI). That's one of the reasons why OCR has a judges panel, anyway. As for the Tetris thing... of course there's a double standard here, but it's not being kept secret or anything. Yes, Tetris is far and away a much more known and celebrated game than SDB, and I do understand why the folk song in that game is much more tied to Tetris (case in point: I'm not even bothering to look up the name of the song to spell it. I'm just gonna say "the Tetris song" and everyone knows what I'm talking about. The panel is put into a tough spot here: of course all the remixers of "the Tetris song" won't be pulled, that would just be wrong. But they can't not accept new remixes of that theme, either. Yes, you wanna keep OCR to just music composed FOR video games, but Tetris just has that ability to bend that rule because of it's extreme popularity.

I'm getting rambling here, let's just get to the bottom line. I'm not upset or angry that Jordan's excellent track isn't getting passed by the panel. I'm not even disappointed. When Around the World releases, people will still listen to his remix, regardless if it's front page posted or not. It's only being rejected by a technicality, not because it's bad musically. Even if every single track got rejected, Around the World would still get listened to, and I'm willing to bet a lot that nearly everyone who listens will love it. That's what matters the most to me. I very much respect Kyle's opinion, but I don't think this is a setback by any stretch.

[KyleJCrb]

When Around the World releases, people will still listen to his remix, regardless if it's front page posted or not.

This is true, especially since it'll be the main track used in the preview trailer.

[bLiNd]

Well I can say this. Front page posting gets more listens than project tracks, plain and simple. I have gotten more pms from people that discovered me from the ocremix youtube channel than anything. (I think project tracks get posted there as well, but not as upfront as a page post)

Regardless, I understand this issue plainly. What really blows is my track and USSR are the ONLY ones that might have an issue (as far as we know at least) So I have talked to the panel and they will be open to re-judging the track if I change the sakura melody. I can make it sound LIKE the original but still be new and different enough to be original so it can be posted. Fingers crossed I am not wasting my time...

[Palpable]

The judgment on Jordan's song wasn't just because it was from a folk song, it was because of "how much" of the arrangement of the song vs. the original material was used... But from what I saw Vinnie post there, Jordan used more of the original source from the game and interpretation than the meat of Sakura Sakura... Or am I reading that wrong? I think this is besides the point anyway though.

The issue is how much it uses the folk song. Sorry if I was confusing by pointing out the Sakura usage vs. Dodge Ball usage, I was doing that to show that the Dodge Ball song has a good deal of original material. But the relevant part of the standards to me is:

Any incorporation or arrangement of source material not from games (mainstream, classical, etc.) should be extremely limited.

What was used wasn't limited, not to mention, if you remove it, the song probably doesn't have dominant source usage. I'm not happy that it doesn't meet the standards, it's an amazing song and it does the song in the game justice. I think probably all of us weren't aware this would be an issue until now or it would have been brought up earlier.

So I have talked to the panel and they will be open to re-judging the track if I change the sakura melody. I can make it sound LIKE the original but still be new and different enough to be original so it can be posted. Fingers crossed I am not wasting my time...

Here's hoping you can pull it off, although one part of me thinks that the song in the game will get less justice if you take out the Sakura melody. :neutral: I hope you keep the current version as a part of the album too.