OCR01353 - Final Fantasy IV 'The Sky Was Never a Limit'

[djpretzel]

What did you think? Post your opinion of this ReMix.

[Navi]

Come see the softer side of Gooooat.

Nice change of pace from the shred master.

[Carboman]

OMG, NEW GOAT. GOAT IS MY METAL GOD.... 8O wait orchistra?

hahaha awesome change up- beautiful peace with very high quality and power. You've proven yourself to be amazing once again! :lol: I LOVE YOU GOAT!

[Ronnie Whitacre]

Really good song. I had a little problem how it quickly changes from orchestral to soft rock. Should've either kept the whole song orchestral or a Rock Ballad. Really nice guitar work though.

[JC83]

Hey cool!

Another FF remix! I don't think there are enough of those!

[Impassioned Havoc]

Another excellent contribution from goat. It feels somewhat slow with the intro, as things are kind of dry until around 2:30, and not much can be said for the quality of the instruments, but when that guitar hits, it gets pretty damn juicy. And from 4:27 on, it's just plain awesome. My only real criticisms would be the sound quality and about a minute of superfluous intro. Otherwise, it's gold. Thanks again, goat.

[BlueMage]

Yeah, I downloaded this from VGMix....a couple of days or so ago now, but only listened to it tonight between lectures. Had to double-check iPod to make sure it was actually goat, at least until I heard the guitar.

Nice, (comparatively) soft piece from goat, but my preference still goes towards Unchosen Paths - Rancid Purgatory and Scale the Machine. Speaking of which, why haven't they been submitted here? :)

Not quite goat's (now) semi-trademark style of metal-orchestra, but pretty close, and a darn good listen too.

[Wicked]

Man, you have no idea how happy I am to see this one make it to OCR. I downloaded this one from VGMix, too, about a month or two ago. Can't quite remember. Goat should know that I NEVER visit VGMix but I did in the hopes of finding something of his that wasn't here and I was lucky enough to stumble across this. This one deserves a lot of praise. Whenever I hear an orchestral mix with some awesome guitar work thrown in, it reminds me of the piece at the end of Mr. Holland's Opus. That's a good thing. Excellent job.

[Darangen]

The guitar solo still knocks my socks off.

Awesome work goat, keep it up :)

[Carbon Dog]

This knocked me on my ass the first time I heard it on VGmix.

[Jenga]

Awesome.

[Dahlia]

Yeah, that November Rain solo is great. It's a shame that poor Slash is incapable of performing it live without severely screwing it up. It's strange, for such a good guitarist. Who knows, maybe he was doing it just to spite Axl.

Anyway, nice remix. It's great to hear guitar playing on OCR. Ninjascape was one of my recent favorites. Keep it up, goat!

[Txai]

Pretty cool stuff is an inspiration forever. This ReMix is quite amazing. I’ve never listened to something like that. Great composition! This combination orchestral/metal really surprise me. Instruments of high quality here. And hey, what are you doing, man? You´re a great artist on OCR since that did good things. :wink:

[Dahlia]

I’ve never listened to something like that. Great composition! This combination orchestral/metal really surprise me. :wink:

I guess you don't listen to Japanese music much! Download "Silent Jealousy" by X Japan for speed metal with all the compositional sophistication of one of Brahms' symphonies.

[SPIKENOX07]

personally, i like how it starts out slow. the guitar solo is amazing. great job.

[Ionyze]

This well-titled mix is the best release of the month so far. Orchestral and rock ballad. Some have accused it of trying to be two songs at once, but I disagree. I find it to be a symphonic rock ballad with an extended ampless intro.

As far as the orchestra goes, the horns sound better than the strings for once. French horn and middle brass really shine here. The solo violin and the string ensemble are unremarkable. I have yet to hear a convincing orchestral snare sample, and this piece doesn't make much ground there. Too much high-frequency, not enough of a sustained sound on the snare.

The rock is where it takes off. The violin takes the Prelude melody, with french horns doing an imitation of the harp arpeggio, all over a shimmering string pad. I will disagree with djpretzel, and instead compliment this particular choice of arrangement. Very well done. The violin and flute counterplay in the middle act of the rock section works as well. Goat's axe finally shows up in the final act, and the transition is very easy to swallow. The composition is truly inspired. Nothing canned here, just a soulful solo over the Prelude melody. The song finishes epic, with an amazing repeating chord progression in the final minute. One listen to this one justified the title.

[kakashi282]

I hate to say/admit this, but...

...I air guitarred to the ending... I've never done that before... it just made me do it...

~ninja vanish~
**poof**

[Red Shadow]

I love goat with my soul.

[A-RoN]

Excellent. Enough said. 8)

[Amaranth]

Yes. Lengthening.

[Ionyze]

Some have knocked it, but altering the prelude arpeggio and giving it to soft middle brass works great here. I love it all, and I tolerate the snare.

[stratos]

I usually stay out of the review section of this site only because I have been accused of being an elitist snob for some of my criticisms. That being said, let it be clear that I think this remixer is a talented individual.

I'm not really competent to speak about the orchestral sound quality that has preoccupied some of the other reviews. I'm of the opinion that anything one can do to make the instruments sound less digital is a plus. Perhaps some of DJP's suggestions in his review would do the trick.

It is clear that you are a talented guitarist. As a longtime player myself, I have a few items of constructive criticism. First, develop your sense of harmony. For the most part you do okay with this, but it is obvious that you are reaching for something beyond what you understand. For instance, the run from 5:20-5:27 bears no relation to the song at that point. The rest of the solo is better, but still rudimentary when compared to your apparent technical ability.

You can address this problem by learning arpeggios and WEAVING them. Do the same thing with modes. Make sure you have them down cold first, then move on to weaving. Most importantly, do it continuously until you feel your mind go into a mild trance. That's when you know you are getting it. If you don't know what I'm talking about you should ask/get a music teacher.

The second item relates to the first in that my suggestion from the last paragraph will solve it as well. I'm guessing that one day you realized that you were able to play fast and that if you heaped on the compression you could sound exactly like some of your metal heroes. This has led to some cliches in your style.

For one, you don't have to display your right hand dexterity every time you need to fill up space. High BPM sixteenth notes of the same pitch can put one to sleep just as easily as the slowest nursery rhyme. This goes for your runs as well.

The other thing that I could mention is for you to take off the hyper compression on your guitar and go with a sound that allows you to control the volume of your notes. It will really allow you to express yourself a lot better once you pay attention to that aspect of the music. Right now you have the equivalent control over your guitar as a pianist has over a keyboard without touch sensitive keys. I know that that's the metal style, but there's a whole world beyond that type-casted compressed distortion that you might find very interesting.

To conclude, I admire your compositional risk-taking in this song. I also appreciate the humanity in your guitar work. I think that you have a great musical mind. Though, I also think that there is a whole world that you might miss if you "settle" for your already impressive abilities. This is not condescension (I would probably have to practice some of your runs quite a bit in order to get them clean), but rather some hopefully helpful suggestions based on my analysis of your playing.

[icycrispcow]

I can't say I know goat personally, but I can say I disagree with the last post. I'm sure goat knows exactly what he was doing and wasn't just playing notes to fill up space. I'm also sure he's a compitent enough guitar player to know about dynamics, but just ops not to use them in a piece such as this because it is not needed for the solo.

I'd also like to point out when soloing as a lead over an accompniament (sp?) its important for the osloing instrument to actually be heard.

Anywho, to goat: I really enjoyed this and as always I think your variences in ryhthm really enhance your overall productions. I'd love to see more cross-style productions from you in the future.

[RimFrost the Tourianist]

goat changes style it seems...It turns out well too.

Amazing results ..Download NOW !

8) 8) 8)

[AbyssWyrm]

There aren't enough mixes of this flavor. It really is an excellent piece.

Does an exceptionally good job of transitioning from one segment to another. Namely, it starts out with just the basic prelude theme, then uses the cello, viola, or whatever it is (low string instrument, I can't tell) to change the tone of the piece, eventually flowing into a rock ballad. As I said, there aren't enough remixes like this, and out of the ones I've heard this has got to be the best. My only regret is that the mixer closed such a long piece with such a short ending, only a simple arpeggio going down a few octaves, would have done better lengthier.

Whoa, great piece though.

[quoda]

Normally I'm totally not into "prelude" remixes, but something about this one is different to me. I like the blend of styles and I like the guitar work late in the song. It's got this heroic feel to it, like you're stepping off into the great unknown to save the universe from the bad guys. Very nice work.

[Rexy]

Like I said to this user earlier, it's good to see him think hard for Valentine's Day, and the results are very sweet and reflective so it seems. :D I can't say I'm too much of a fan of the compression here, but that's understandable given how long the mix is as well as the ideas that were all incorporated into making this possible.

I'll see if I can bring in a more detailed scope on this via quoting my (semi-old) VGMix review for it.

Production techniques
This mix is provided at a heavy crossbreed of styles - for the opening 2 minutes we have orchestration, which in turn was lead into a prom night style guitar-oriented texture as soon as one of the bigger climaxes of the piece was over. Panning is shown to be at a strong rate; the orchestration was shown to be at a firm balance to match with the realism of that setup, and the steady textures for some of the remaining sounds have worked to reflect strongly upon the emotion. Even though some of the instruments chosen could have been given some further elements of reverb/sustain, the processing and expression work is done at a very strong height here most especially with the quality that has managed to fit some of which in general. The sound levels are as well balanced as we often associate with him, with a good amount of thought to EQ balance to grant a good sense of warmth towards the sounds here, so nothing much to fault in that particular aspect of the production. Given what we have throughout this aspect, the listener is sure to be taken through a powerful sense of atmosphere established through the technical side alone.

Compositional structure
The track started off with some sweet sounding harp structures providing a minimalist yet affective opening. This is soon followed by the flute's entrance at 0:20, providing notation at the same rhythm as the source but at a more liberal opening. As the strings gradually come in following on from that aspect of the piece, the idea of strengths towards the general romanticist notions have worked to provide a more different and peaceful side to goat to open up with. That's even more noted where the violin solo made its way through at 1:28, taking the audience through a more minor oriented motion of the mix; while that aspect was felt to be a little bit on the sudden side in terms of progressions, it has still worked on taking the emotional factor well enough for the listener. I also feel the cello attack was a little bit on the strong side, but it has still worked in maintaining the deep textured sounds as expected from this user - very interesting work.

And at 2:06 the track faces a climatic progression that has worked in giving the listener an idea that a battle was about to start within the music itself. But in true surprise fashion, the guitars and energetic drums that fade in have worked in providing a link towards the main focus of the piece by 2:41, what with the now established prom/waltz type expressions that have managed to maintain a good amount of truth towards the theme as well as providing a good set of realism through it. While I feel the opening reaches of this section were thought to be a bit sudden to take in at first, they still work at providing a good set of appreciation all around for the song's audience.

The violin melody has made its way back at 3:38, taking the audience through a romanticist original segment. It's here that I feel that the opening riffs of the violin are making me think of Sonic 3's "Ice Cap Zone" given their progressions, but even if that wasn't intended the progressions have still worked in maintaining the more reflective feel while in turn maintaining a steady rhythm to maintain interest here. Mind, repetition on the melodic progressions has hindered this part slightly, but it has still worked well in maintaining a good side towards the listener’s interest.

The trademark guitar performance then made its way through at 4:33, thus showing a good amount of improvisation on top of the string parts here. This has worked in providing a good sense of wonder towards the listener through a strong mixture of creative gestures and truth to the source. While some of the general guitar progressions were a bit difficult to take in at first the style behind the performance has managed to work in generating a good sense of wonder towards the arranger's work here. Thus, this section is what I feel a majority of the audience will more likely want to remember the most.

Another melodic change then came through at 5:29, while in turn leading towards the closing segments. The guitar improvisations alongside the orchestration have also worked in showing this user's creative side while diving through the more climatic reaches of the piece as it comes near its end. Looking on at here I thought the horns made a great touch to help maintain the general compositional touches all around. This in turn was lead into a climatic rock-based closing given the guitar and steady drums, before allowing the harp to provide the official finishing touches. I don't know about you, but I found the final sections of the guitar (from 6:28 onwards) to be a bit difficult to absorb at first; otherwise, I feel very fond of this closure.

As a whole I really appreciated the softer side as shown by him, and much of the tech elements have been intact to help make this shine. Likewise with the judges I still have a bone to pick with his orchestration techniques here, so with some thought on varying velocities/timings/attacks etc there could be some stronger results out of there.

But nonetheless, even though I feel really bitter towards the whole aspect of Valentine's Day (please people, think about the singles!) I can't help but appreciate a lot of the ideas that came together. So yeah, kudos to goat for developing another fine mix to add to his extensive library. :)

[Jabberbox]

two different worlds colliding and growing togather like a vine covered tree...
this is a very good remix, using a very complicated combonation (ive heard it when its not done right... :roll: )
it could use a bit less uhh what is the e-guitear thing where its all dooleoodooleoodooleoo really rapid... that kinda got annoying... but than again im more into the orchestral part...
good job, goat. you almost made me jump when it exploded near the begginning. :D

[Magical Ninja]

Quality music, but im just not feeling it.

[Taffin]

Don't judge this song on the first listen. I didn't care for this mix at first, but it just came up randomly on my iTunes playlist while I was just doing other stuff and it finally hit me. I don't have any detailed criticism to give, only to say that it takes a few listens (and maybe even a "subliminal" one where you aren't paying attention) to fully appreciate it.

[Heruwath Lomgil]

I LIKE!

[Bummerdude]

What am I to listen to a goat? THIS is the reason. Not only it´s filled with some nice orchestrals and a totally jamming guitarsolo, it´s filled with love.
I haven´t really listened so much to the works of goat, but after this I could do a little check-up. Very good remix. Goat took two styles and meld them together to make a mix shrouding with skills and respect. Nice work once again, you truly are worth calling goat.

[Xx~~Zangetsu~~xX]

ooh...i d like to have a pet goat who can make a remix like this! 8O

[ChaosofRuin]

My fav remix from FFIV ><

[Forgotten]

Absolutely beautiful.

[Duo]

I love this remix. I didn't really notice it at first when I dl'd it, then I threw it onto a CD to fill up the last 8 minutes and when I listened to the whole thing through at work, this stuck out as my favorite track by far. I love the slow buildup, and where it leads. I wouldn't want anything about it changed. A wonderful, wonderful song.

[SoulinEther]

The pace of this piece is what puts me at peace. This is the kind of song for which (nobody likes dangling preopositions) I sit/lie down; to relax, to take a step back, and to reassess my situation I can turn to this remix. It progresses along inspirationally, first slowly, then slightly more rapidly and consistently.

And using the harp as a frame, revisiting the first idea of the piece with the newer emotions and optimism/determination/spirit of adventure/I'm-not-sure-what-word-properly-assesses-the-tone-of-this-piece revealed toward the end really seals the deal for me. Letting harp close off the piece so nicely on a chord as it does is satisfying to the version of myself who started listening to the piece just a few short minutes ago, so I walk away feeling content and determined.

....I mean, this is fantastic.

How did this get overlooked during 2 (3?) remix review drives? Maybe because it already had a decent number of reviews. Deserves more, still.

[OA]

Probably one of my favorite remix titles on the site, lets have a listen! :O

it starts out pretty conservative, But there's plenty of room to expand in the 7 minutes provided. Once it his the halfway point, expand it does, and there is some great original writing that ties in well with the classic theme. Where the rhythm guitar comes in at 2:30ish really works well, I love the tone and mixing levels Goat used for that- and prelude makes an awesome power ballad. It's all clicking for me.

I agree with DJP that the last 2 min is definitely the best part, with some rocking soloing, but the journey is half the fun here.

A really nice mix, Goatess would be proud. :-)

[Emunator]

This one takes its sweet time building up, and there's a few off-notes in the first half, but once things get going with the rhythm guitar past 3:00, this mix really kicks it up a notch in terms of quality and emotion. I love how the guitar solo fit perfectly with the uplifting mood created by the orchestral music... I was on the fence about whether I was gonna download this and keep it on my playlist, but once I hit that moment my decision was made. That's awesome, this just goes to show that stepping out of your comfort zone without losing sight of your style can pay off in spades!

Also, the mix title here is brilliant, it seems to fit so perfectly with the music I'm hearing. Killer work on all fronts!

[tweek]

One of the weaker intros that we've heard from goat. The midi sounds were not my favorite but the strings sounded nice. However, it seems to meander and not really go anywhere. The orch samples are a bit weak here. It's better when the rock drums and guitars come in, but the drums sound wildly out of place here; they don't sit in the mix with the orch samples at all since they sound so dry. The arrangement is nice, but it does get too cluttered with movement from instruments that don't have a fast enough attack to handle the quick lines. But, this is really the second time we've heard goat step out of his comfort zone and it's definitely refreshing to hear. When the guitar solo comes in, that's where the mix REALLY shines. The orchestral backing is simple and clean and works extremely well with the lead guitar. Not Chris' best mix on the site, but he strives to do something relatively new for himself, and I have to give him props for that and I really hope that he keeps at this so that we can hear something like this again. Practice makes perfect!