OCR Mascot Bio Project - LINKED!

[Dafydd]

Ok, I'll fix Toad's link. What of the Doom Trooper's spacesuit? Should I remove all mention of it or be more specific about when you get to see it?

[Polo]

Just say "...and (in Doom 95) his green spacesuit that is shown at the end of each level." Game specificity ftw.

[Dafydd]

lol... ok.

Also

which as I remember helped add up to more than 5,000 characters.

I read "characters" as "mascots". OMFG what a mascot bio project that would be. 6 times each day I turn to Fairfax, Virginia and pray to the great pretzel god that we'll get this done before he adds more.

[Polo]

I read "characters" as "mascots". OMFG what a mascot bio project that would be.

:lmassoff: Okay that made my early morning. Gotta go to sleep now though...

[Dafydd]

Ok... here it is.

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_1-10.txt

Give it a last sniff with the bomb dog before it takes off for Larrybotland.

[Polo]

Eh, I can pull off some more wakey-eyed moments.

I don't see a single change to the draft you showed me before I made my comments. Are you linking the right text file? Maybe if you checked to overwrite it when uploading the improved version with the same name...

Edit: Whoa, there we go! Okay, let's see what we got here...



Edit 2: The only fixes left (unless you disagree with them) are:

Doom Trooper
- Old Doom --> OldDoom.com (the site favors one word with the "dot com" suffix)

Vega
- Street Fighter II': Champion Edition (there's an apostrophe / prime symbol after the "2" in the title)

Sora
- The Game Boy Advance appearance (2004) can go under the PlayStation 2 list (2002).

And that's it. :nicework:

[Dafydd]

I'm not seeing the apostrophe, and didn't last time either. Are you sure you're not loading from cache, have you tried hitting reload? I did miss out on the other 2 fixes though, thanks. See if they're fixed this time. Is the apostrophe still there?

[Polo]

I cleared my cache (I wondered if that was why I didn't see the changes you made at first). The other two fixes are there; the ' symbol is still missing.

Champion Edition (and Hyper Fighting) includes the apostrophe / prime symbol in its title. Look at these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_II#Street_Fighter_II.E2.80.B2:_Cham pion_Edition) two (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=9815) pages. It's read "Street Fighter Two Dash: Champion Edition" in Japan, indicating that there's something between the number II and the word Champion (besides the colon).

[Dafydd]

the ' symbol is still missing.

:tomatoface:I thought I was supposed to get rid of an apostrophe and just couldn't see it. Now I realize you want me to add an apostrophe. How silly. Why is there an apostrophe there?

Well, I'll add it and then send it. Lol.

[The Coop]

Hey guys. Long time no see. With the current discussion about the infamous Doom guy, I thought I'd try and offer a little possible help...

- The Doom trooper appears in another game... Quake 3. He's a default character, along with a female version named Crash (supposedly his training instructor), and another Space Marine named Phobos.

- I've played the hell out of the DOS and Windows versions of Doom, and I've never seen him appear at the end of a level. When a level ends, you go straight to a map of your current episode, and the percentages are tallied. After that, the next level starts. The only time I can recall ever seeing his green suit, is on the dead Space Marines that are scattered around the various levels. Maybe I missed something?

- I tried that paragraph you guys were talking about...

"Ironically, little is known about the Doom Trooper, the main character of one of the most widely known computer game series ever: Doom. Most know him by little things, such as the sound of his voice when he's injured, his many facial expressions, and the blood that gradually covers his face as he's wounded. They also know his familiar green suit, thanks to the many dead Space Marines that lay scattered about in the games four episodes."


Thoughts?

[Polo]

Hi Coop. Nice to know you're still swinging 'round these parts.



+ I wasn't aware of the Doom guy's Quake 3 appearance. That kind of catch warrants a clean-up of the last sentence in his bio, which says that Duke Nukem 3D is his only other appearance.

· You didn't miss any more than I did regarding his space suit at the ends of levels; I brought it up earlier and Dafydd said it shows up in Doom 95 (I haven't played it though, so I took his word for it).

+ The 2nd sentence in your version of paragraph 1 reads more clearly than other versions we've tried; it's shorter, more fluid, and doesn't try to confuse the reader.

- "They also know his familiar green suit" sounds subtly repetitive, coupling the words "know" and "familiar." I think it would work better to say "They also know his green space suit"; that's what he's wearing, since he's on the moon Phobos.

- I had to check the use of lay vs. lie, and according to Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lay):

Lay is most commonly a transitive verb and takes an object... If "place" or "put" can be substituted in a sentence, a form of lay is called for: Lay the folders on the desk. The mason is laying brick. She laid the baby in the crib.

Lie, with the overall senses "to be in a horizontal position, recline" and "to rest, remain, be situated, etc.," is intransitive and takes no object... (I)ts past tense form is identical with the present tense or infinitive form of lay: Lie down, children. Abandoned cars were lying along the road. The dog lay in the shade and watched the kittens play.

So the latter is preferred: "...the many dead Space Marines that lie scattered about..."

- "...in the games four episodes." Did you mean "in the first game's three episodes"? I only remember Knee-Deep in the Dead, The Shores of Hell, and Inferno. I also added an apostrophe for you.



Dafydd can fit these updates in before LT checks his PMs for the first 10 completely (?) edited bios.

[Liontamer]

Anytime there are updates to seemingly completed bios, of course let me know. It's never a bother.

[The Coop]

· You didn't miss any more than I did regarding his space suit at the ends of levels; I brought it up earlier and Dafydd said it shows up in Doom 95 (I haven't played it though, so I took his word for it).

I went back and played through a few levels of Doom using the "95" executable before I posted earlier, and it does the same thing as the DOS version... hit the switch to leave, go to a map screen for tallying, and then start the next level. There's no image of the Doom Guy there.

The only image of him that I can think of, is with the ending of the episode, "Thy Flesh Consumed". It has the Doom Guy holding a severed rabbit's head.


- "They also know his familiar green suit" sounds subtly repetitive, coupling the words "know" and "familiar." I think it would work better to say "They also know his green space suit"; that's what he's wearing, since he's on the moon Phobos.

- "...in the games four episodes." Did you mean "in the first game's three episodes"? I only remember Knee-Deep in the Dead, The Shores of Hell, and Inferno. I also added an apostrophe for you.

The final episode is "Thy Flesh Consumed". It's the fourth one that was made available for download in 1995. If you don't want to include that episode, and keep it as the game's original three episodes, then you can adjust the text appropriately to "three episodes".


As for the questionable line, how about this...

"They also know his iconic green suit, thanks to the many dead Space Marines that lie scattered about in the game's original three episodes, and the ending of the later released fourth episode, 'Thy Flesh Consumed'."

[Polo]

Or, to keep it simple: "They also know his iconic green suit, evidenced in both the Doom title screen and the bodies of Space Marines scattered about the various levels."

That's probably a safer route to take. The title screen I definitely remember.

[The Coop]

Yeah, everyone knows the title screen, so that reads better. You guys should go with that.


But, just for the sake of proving I'm not talking out of my ass...

Episode Select (http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/Select.png)

Thy Flesh Consumed Ending (http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/TFCEnd.png)

[Dafydd]

There's no screenshot button in doom95 afaik and print scrn doesn't work either, but I assure you he pops up with the stats after each level, just like duke. I'm not lying here :) However, I'm ok with skipping that "after each level" thingy, as should be evident when reading the bio. Good input though, and thanks for looking by, Coop.

[The Coop]

There's no screenshot button in doom95 afaik and print scrn doesn't work either, but I assure you he pops up with the stats after each level, just like duke. I'm not lying here :) However, I'm ok with skipping that "after each level" thingy, as should be evident when reading the bio. Good input though, and thanks for looking by, Coop.

Oh, I never accused you of lying, but in the years I've been playing Doom in Doom95 (both the original version, and the one from Doom: The Collector's Edition), I've never once seen this end of level image you're talking about. It's always been a map of the episode.

There is a way to enable screenshots in Doom 95. Make a shortcut to the Doom 95 executable, and in the "Target" line, add...

-DEVPARM

... after the quotation marks. You then use F1 to take a screenshot, and open the pcx files in Photoshop (or a similar graphics program). It's not perfect, but it's better than the print screen method. Here's (http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/D95TallyScreen.gif) the screenshot I took in the original Doom 95 program.

Now I'm all curious to see this thing :lol:


Edit: Are you referring to this (http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/D95StartUp.gif) image, which is from Doom 95 when it initially starts up?

[Dafydd]

No, not that one. What kind of strange version am I playing here??? :shock:

.pcx, huh? Like I said, I tried using print screen earlier, but pasting it into Paint.NET didn't work, and as it happens, Paint.NET can't handle pcx. I'll try using photoshop next time and if that doesn't work I'll give your way a shot.

EDIT: OK, here it is. Too bad it's only grayscale, since that kind of defeats my point... This is when playing the TNT campaign, I only have that and Plutonia.

http://www.ngst.nu/DOOM01.gif

[The Coop]

No, not that one. What kind of strange version am I playing here??? :shock:

.pcx, huh? Like I said, I tried using print screen earlier, but pasting it into paint .NET didn't work, and as it happens, paint .NET can't handle pcx. I'll try using photoshop next time and if that doesn't work I'll give your way a shot.

Yeah, MS Paint isn't good for much beyond telling messed up stories ;-)

Photoshop can open pcx files without any problems. You just have to save the image as a web-friendly file type. PCX is a weird image file type that I've seen a lot of with MUGEN when you save all of a character's animation frames into individual files using the MCM (MUGEN Character Maker) program. Not sure what the significance of the file type is, but...

[Dafydd]

Well, Paint.NET is a hell of a lot better than MS Paint, though not nearly as powerful as photoshop. The screen dump is grayscale no matter what, though.

[The Coop]

Well, grayscale's a lot better than what I saw trying the print screen method with Doom 95. The end result was colorful to be sure, but it didn't look like what I'd been playing at all :lol:

[Dafydd]

Yeah, I was thinking it might be inverted colors at first but had to give that idea up quickly. I had like 4 colors... and none of the green was on the doom trooper :|

At least now you saw proof.

[The Coop]

Proof of what?

[Dafydd]

That he did show up after each level (at least on my machine). Or didn't you see the pic? It's on the previous page...

[The Coop]

That he did show up after each level (at least on my machine). Or didn't you see the pic? It's on the previous page...

Ahaaaaahhhhhhhh... and so it all becomes clear now. We were talking about different games, as if they were the same one. Let me show you...

http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/UDoom.png Doom/Ultimate Doom
http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/Doom2.png Doom II
http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/FDoom_Evilution.png Final Doom: TNT-Evilution
http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/FDoom_ThePlutoniaExp.png Final Doom: The Plutonia Experiment

Each game uses a different screen for the background when the percentages are being tallied up. I was talking about Doom/Ultimate Doom, you were talking about Final Doom: TNT-Evilution. That's where we got some wires got crossed *lol*


Edit: Damned four image limit. I can't even post a smiley now? :(

[Dafydd]

How'd you get those snapshots? DOSBox? LOL... I can't believe that's how small 320x200 looks on my monitor... or how my eyes can appreciate graphics that lo-res (and they do, believe me). Glad we got that sorted out and out of the way.

[The Coop]

How'd you get those snapshots? DOSBox? LOL... I can't believe that's how small 320x200 looks on my monitor... or how my eyes can appreciate graphics that lo-res (and they do, believe me). Glad we got that sorted out and out of the way.

Indeed. I was starting to think we were both nuts :lol:


But yeah, that's from DOSBox and it's handy screenshot feature. If you have the DOS executables for your Final Doom game, give it a try. It's just like playing back in the old days. If you don't have those executables, and you only have the WAD files, then try out some programs like ZDoom (http://zdoom.org/), Doom Legacy (http://legacy.newdoom.com/) or Doomsday (http://www.doomsdayhq.com/). They work much better than Doom 95, and some even add new lighting effects and such.

[Polo]

I took the liberty of examining this thread, and I discovered that the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the Site Projects forum was that it had been nailed there. [/Monty Python]



Since Dafydd and I opted for #anchored sections for mascots whose Wiki articles are "List of (Game) characters," the following mascots need their due (via Linearity if possible):

The Turks --> Wikipedia - "Characters of Final Fantasy VII - Turks" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_VII#Turks)
Saria --> Wikipedia - "List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Saria" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina _of_Time#Saria)
Ness --> Wikipedia - "List of Earthbound characters - Ness" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EarthBound_characters#Ness)
Link --> Zelda Universe - "The Great Hyrule Encyclopedia - Link" (http://www.zelda.com/universe/pedia/l.jsp#Link) (not Wikipedia, but since the url's already anchored then the label can match it)
Frog --> Wikipedia - "Characters of Chrono Trigger - Frog" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Chrono_Trigger#Frog)
Princess Rutu --> Wikipedia - "List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Princess Ruto" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina _of_Time#Princess_Ruto)
Terra Branford --> Wikipedia - "Characters of Final Fantasy VI - Terra Branford" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_VI#Terra_Branford)

Similar updates:

Wikipedia - "Cammy" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cammy) (at the time of this post, her last name doesn't show in the url)
Wikipedia - "Bowser (Nintendo)" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowser_(Nintendo))
Wikipedia - "Fox McCloud" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_McCloud) (the second 'c' in the url should be capitalized, is all)
Wikipedia - "Metroid (series) - Metroids" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series)#Metroids)
Wikipedia - "Metroid (series) - Ridley" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series)#Ridley)
Wikipedia - "Waku Waku 7" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waku_Waku_7) (there was a "www" in the url before)
Wikipedia - "Mega Man (character)" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Man_(character)) (you may have noticed that my note on page 74 forgot the end parenthesis ), so this one should work)

- Delete the Metroid Prime (creature) Wiki link from the Metroid bio ("Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name."). Same issue with Kraid; those elitists kicked out the two-screens-tall lizard from their database.

- In Terra's bio: "...the primary character in Final Fantasy VI, which is called Final Fantasy III in the United States" (+present tense; alternatively you can write "which was retitled Final Fantasy III" for clarification)



Btw Dafydd, have you decided how to rewrite the parts of the Doom Trooper's bio that we talked about with The Coop? Something like this for the first paragraph:

Ironically, little is known about the Doom Trooper, the main character of one of the most widely known computer game series ever: Doom. Most know him by little things, such as the sound of his voice when he's injured, his many facial expressions, and the blood that gradually covers his face as he's wounded. They also know his iconic green suit, as seen in the Doom title screen and on the bodies of Space Marines scattered about the various levels.

And the last sentence:

The Doom Trooper appears outside of the Doom series on rare occasions, including Quake III Arena and Duke Nukem 3D.

[The Coop]

- In Terra's bio: "...the primary character in Final Fantasy VI, which is called Final Fantasy III in the United States" (+present tense; alternatively you can write "which was retitled Final Fantasy III" for clarification)

Or perhaps...

"... the primary character in Final Fantasy VI, which was retitled Final Fantasy III for the SNES in the United States upon its initial release in 1994"


That was the only time I'm aware of where VI was called III, as the GBA and PS1 versions were left unchanged numerically.

[Dafydd]

I haven't decided on the doom trooper yet, no. I don't know if Linearity is coming back, but I guess it's only fair that I do the edits on his part, considering how little I've done for the project lately :)

[Dafydd]

So um. I'm sorry for being so half-hearted about this thing, but - what's left to be done, other than those 50 (now 41?) bios I'm supposed to finalize (with Polo's hawk-eyed helping hand)? Are you done with the other 100, Polo?

[Polo]

More or less. I still have some questions regarding Lin's edits (scattered in my cross-checking batches), so if there's something you can answer, that'd be sweet.

I also remember you wanted the Wiki'ed bios to have their respective mascot pics on the right side of the page, but I can't imagine the same format applied to The Coop's Darkstalkers "What Is" spiel (7 mascots, 2 short paragraphs). If that's still an issue, you can talk to Larry about it.

Or, if you feel you don't have the time or energy to push this behemoth past the finish line, and you feel that Lin's served his hours, you could let me fine-tune the bios myself and send 'em all to Larry. You comfortable with that?

[Dafydd]

Not because I don't trust you (I do), but I really want to try and participate more. I'm going to go through the rest of Lin's edits and post the next group of 10 whenever I'm done with one, and then ask you what you think. If you already have comments, post them right away. At least I have the first 10 in the correct format, so I can do most of the edits by just making sure the other 40 (41?) are the same format (and check for dead links).

About the Darkstalkers, I was thinking the images could be side-by-side like this (an X is an image):

XXXXXXX
Paragraph
Paragraph

You think that would work? What would you suggest?

[Polo]

Yeah, that's what I originally had in mind for the Darkstalkers summary. It works.

And thanks for updating the Doom Trooper bio. Just put italics where needed in the last sentence...

The Doom Trooper appears outside of the Doom series on rare occasions, including Quake III Arena and Duke Nukem 3D.

...and he'll be all set.

And after some casual Googling, I found that the Chocobo doesn't actually appear in Secret of Evermore. There's an item called the Chocobo Egg, but no gold-feathered bird. So the Secret of Evermore appearance should be cut.

[Dafydd]

Okey-dokey.

[Dafydd]

Here's the next batch. http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_11-20.txt

I think most of the big bugs are gone. I double-checked all the links and italic...-ized (?) some words, changed a booboo where Super Mario Bros 3 was listed to have been released in 1998 (not 1988), added years to some games that didn't have them, fixed minor stuff like missing or double spaces etc. Hopefully there'll be less for you to complain about this time than last, but I'm sure you'll come up with improvements all the same.

[watkinzez]

Here's the next batch. http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_11-20.txt

Slip up in my Lemmings bio- "One can assign a lemming to build a staircase that functions as a bridge".

[Polo]

You certainly caught the details that mattered first and foremost (game links, more release years, and Saria's anchored Wiki link, among others). But it looks like a lot of the mousetraps I set on page 74 didn't snap loudly enough. Here's the remaining rodents...



- First, italicize (yes, you spelled it correctly) the word Doom in the last sentence in the Doom Trooper's bio: "The Doom Trooper appears outside of the Doom series on rare occasions..."

The Turks
- Square, not Squaresoft, is the actual name of the company (in the "Created by" line)
- Change ShinRa to Shinra every time it shows up (no capital R necessary)
- Replace those curly quotations (“the Turks”) with straight ones ("the Turks")
- Could you add spaces around the dash marks — following each Turk's name? I think that would facilitate reading. I notice you did that in Captain Falcon's bio, so props.
- Under Reno's info: "He has a vendetta against Cloud Strife" (make Cloud's name bold)
- Reno's quote should read "...sacrifices himself for his job..."
- Remember that Wiki link update I noted one page ago: Wikipedia - "Characters of Final Fantasy VII - Turks" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_VII#Turks)
- That 2nd link label:
FFShrine - "Final Fantasy VII"
...should be fully written out:
Final Fantasy Shrine - "Final Fantasy VII"
...because the one in Tidus's bio is written out, and we want consistency across the board.

Leon Belmont
- Change the second line (the one with the photobucket url) with: http://www.ocremix.org/images/template/ocr4_mascot7.jpg
- The extra space in the "Pictured from" line is still there (after the last E in Innocence)
- Didn't catch this before:
"Vampire Killer”
That second double quote is curly; it should be straight.
- That last reference has been updated: http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dungeon.html
- Speaking of, I suggested changing the name of that reference to The Castlevania Dungeon (leaving off ClassicGaming). It's to match a like-named link in Dracula's bio.

Vivi Ornitier
- As with the Turks, change Squaresoft to Square in the "Created by" line.
- Add spaces around the dash here: "...past Final Fantasy games—Vivi is..."
- First reference link update: http://www.ffinsider.net/final-fantasy-9/

Captain Falcon
- Change curly quotations (“Blue Falcon,”) to straight quotations ("Blue Falcon,")
- Kirby Super Star should be three words long, not two.
- Because Super Smash Bros. (in the bio section) has an abbreviation mark, better add said punctuation to the game appearance as well.
- For consistency across bios, I'd prefer this reference:
The F-Zero game manual
...to be listed as:
F-Zero instruction manual
...or do you think it doesn't matter?

Lemming
- We're writing the developer, not the publisher, in the "Created by" line, which is why I said to replace Psygnosis with DMA Design (http://www.rockstarnorth.com/). Not sure how or if the first sentence should be changed to accomodate that, though.
- I suspect watkinzez uses a Word Processor that supplies curly quotation marks by default. Not an issue when writing school papers, but we're using straight ones for these bios. So replace those 5 (count 'em, 5) curly apostrophes with straights (’ --> ').

- I can't tell if you overlooked or quietly disagreed with my second comment:
- Appearances --> Keep the C64 port, but delete the Amiga and Game Boy Color versions of Lemmings.***
...along with my footnote for the Lemming and Earthworm Jim:
*** Unless there's more than one game with the same name that's remixed on OCR (e.g. Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Ecco the Dolphin, Bionic Commando), I think any title should appear only once in the Appearances list. If a game remixed is not the original, but a later port, then we link to that version (like for Strider or certain Street Fighter incarnations).
Darkesword said way back that Bomberman doesn't need an "extra bloat" of unremixed games bearing exact same titles. Similarly, I scrapped repeat appearances / direct ports from the bios of Claire Redfield and the Darkstalkers (not an easy task). Same deal here.

Saria
- Another 5 curly apostrophe marks. Convert plz. (’ --> ')
- Add Saria's name at the end of the Wiki label:
Wikipedia - "List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Saria"

Viewtiful Joe
- 3 curly apostrophes here, plus 5 pairs of double curly quotation marks. Straighten them out. (’ --> ') (“” --> "")

Earthworm Jim
- Can't speak for the author, but I know I wouldn't like it if my name was spelled wrong in the "Article" line. (i.e. it's Daethar, not Daether. A-R ending. Go ahead and check (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=2985).)
- Shorten the system Sega Genesis to Genesis (no chance of misunderstanding).
- You know those repeat titles (Earthworm Jim on Genesis, Earthworm Jim 2 on SNES)? Yeah, we don't need 'em in the Appearances list.

Cammy White
- Because her first appearance links to the SNES version of Super Street Fighter II, list that title under the Super NES system.
- Her last name still doesn't show up in the title of her Wiki article, so change the link to: Wikipedia - "Cammy" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cammy) (it may change again... but just so we're up-to-date)

Bowser
- Scrap the curly quote marks (‘bad guy’) for straights ('bad guy'). And there's 4 more. Find 'em.
- Proper release years:
Super Mario World (1990)
Mario Kart 64 (1996)
Paper Mario (2000)
- Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars doesn't need "the" before "legend." Forgot to mention it the first time.
- For now, his Wiki link (and label) should be: Wikipedia - "Bowser (Nintendo)" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowser_(Nintendo))
- Did you miss that link I posted showing the new instruction manual archive? I guess the words BEHOLD A NEW TREASURE TROVE (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/) weren't big enough. In any case, here's a replacement for the 3rd reference:
replacementdocs - Super Mario Bros instruction manual (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Super_Mario_Bros_-_Manual_-_NES.pdf)



Good luck with these. ;-)

[Dafydd]

Oh noes, I forgot about page 74. Damn. :| I'll look there first next time.

EDIT: Done. I should try to do the next 10 soon, while I have our guidelines fresh in mind :) I had some things I wanted to ask/point out/comment on though, mostly because I'm too confused to remember what we've previously agreed on, if we have:

1. If it's Super Smash Bros. , shouldn't there be a period mark after each occurence of the word "bros" in any Mario game title? I've added it everywhere now. Also, how do you do the italics if Bros. is the last word in a sentence? I italicized the period mark there as well (adding no second, non-italicized period mark, naturally).

2. Is it "Super Smash Bros. Melee" or "Super Smash Bros.: Melee"? (And what happened to the ^ and ´ atop the e's anyway? ><)

3. Why drop "Classic Gaming" when we've kept the website's name in all the other links we had? Because the dungeon feels sufficiently independent?

4. DMA Design made Lemmings? Lol, I guess a kid who likes to kill insects should be raised extra carefully after all... hahaha :D

5. If I screw up on quotation marks again, just tell me - no need to specify when or what - I'll just replace all :)

6. The Lemmings appearance list looks funny now that the sequels are listed as being made earlier than the first game in the series (by the looks of things). Funny as in "huh?". I'm not saying anything should be done about it though.

7. If Super Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 were released the same year, should they still be listed in their current order since everyone knows that the former was still released earlier that same year?

[Polo]

Sweet. Updates I can see, smell, taste, and touch (almost). Muchos gracias, amigo.

1. If it's Super Smash Bros. , shouldn't there be a period mark after each occurence of the word "bros" in any Mario game title? I've added it everywhere now. Also, how do you do the italics if Bros. is the last word in a sentence? I italicized the period mark there as well (adding no second, non-italicized period mark, naturally).
You're doing it right. Super Mario Bros., Super Smash Bros., Super Mascot Bio Bros., and so on. No second period needed when a sentence ends with the word Bros. (the abbreviation mark is italicized too)

2. Is it "Super Smash Bros. Melee" or "Super Smash Bros.: Melee"? (And what happened to the ^ and ´ atop the e's anyway? ><)
I don't recall there ever being a colon, circumflex, OR accent mark in Super Smash Bros. Melee. Don't worry about them.

3. Why drop "Classic Gaming" when we've kept the website's name in all the other links we had? Because the dungeon feels sufficiently independent?
Yes. The header (the top blue bar with the browser moniker at the end) and the title of a webpage take precedence over the url path when labeling links. ClassicGaming is the host, but the site linked to is officially known as the Castlevania Dungeon.

5. If I screw up on quotation marks again, just tell me - no need to specify when or what - I'll just replace all :)
All righty, there's open curly double quotes “ still floating around. Go get 'em, tiger.

6. The Lemmings appearance list looks funny now that the sequels are listed as being made earlier than the first game in the series (by the looks of things). Funny as in "huh?". I'm not saying anything should be done about it though.
I don't think anything CAN be done about it; unless djp or LT decides otherwise, every Lemmings ReMix page will always list the system as Commodore 64 as opposed to Amiga.

7. If Super Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 were released the same year, should they still be listed in their current order since everyone knows that the former was still released earlier that same year?
Sure. I see no harm in keeping them ordered as-is. I know I said before to alphabetize games released the same year under the same system, but now I'm starting to think if it isn't better to list every game in exact chronological order. Guess another trip to the salt mines is warranted.



And extra updates for this batch:
Captain Falcon's instruction manual label (italics and replacementdocs source):
replacementdocs - F-Zero instruction manual

Same with Bowser's:
replacementdocs - Super Mario Bros. instruction manual

Slip up in my Lemmings bio- "One can assign a lemming to build a staircase that functions as a bridge".
He means to add the word "a" in that sentence. ;-)

[Dafydd]

He means to add the word "a" in that sentence. :wink:Doh. My short-term memory is like a hole through my head.

All righty, there's open curly double quotes “ still floating around. Go get 'em, tiger.Dammit, I guess I only replaced all the the closers. :tomatoface:

I know I said before to alphabetize games released the same year under the same system, but now I'm starting to think if it isn't better to list every game in exact chronological order.You mean we don't sort them by system? I don't know, I kinda like the current setup. Like that scientist on stage 2 in Perfect Dark said (+infinite nerd points for quoting a game character): "Accidents will happen... he he he."

[Polo]

I meant if two games are released the same year under the same system, then order them by release dates, not alphabetically. Mascot bios 11-20 don't need any title rearranging, but in the first batch (1-10)...

- Diddy Kong - Donkey Konga 2 should switch places with Mario Power Tennis.
- Chocobo - Final Fantasy VIII should fit between Chocobo's Dungeon 2 and Chocobo Racing.
- Strider Hiryu needs no title rearrangement, but instead shorten "Sega Genesis" to "Genesis" (Appearance list of course).

In the meantime, I'll see how much same-year-and-system reordering needs to be done in my huge batch.

Wikipedia - "List of characters in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" - Saria
That 2nd double quotation mark belongs at the end, after Saria. Or do you think the anchor note should be outside the main quoted article?



Anyway, it's good to see you've still got the ambition for this project, Dafydd, after a long and vexing road of edits, questions, and research. :nicework: for keeping up.

[Dafydd]

Yeah... it's always in the back of my mind, but I need to build up enough guilt to actually come back and do something. If I can break it down into batches of 10 at a time, I think I can handle it without giving up. And it's only 3 of those batches left now. New year's is my deadline, so I need to be done well ahead of that.

I'm ok with DK2 switching with MPT (the former being alphabetically previous to the latter as well as chronologically), but a quick search on mobygames says FF7 was released 1997, and chocobo racing and dungeon 2 in 1998 and 1999, like the bio says. Where do you get your release dates? Any chance you read the release date of dungeon 1 as the one for dungeon 2 by mistake?

The Saria quote was just a mistake on my part. Good catch.

[Dafydd]

Ok, I'm done with the first 5 here.

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_21-30.txt

I really, really don't like the X bio. If I felt like I was good enough, I'd rewrite it all, keeping only the overall structure.

[Polo]

Roman numerals are sneaky bastards. I said VIII, meaning one V and three I's. 5 + 3 = 8, not 7. FF8 came out in Japan on February 11, 1999, according to Wikipedia (my source for release dates). Chocobo Racing: March 18, 1999. Chocobo's Dungeon 2: December 23, 1998. In other words:

Chocobo's Dungeon 2 ( 1998 )
Final Fantasy VIII (http://www.ocremix.org/game/final-fantasy-viii-ps1/) (1999)
Chocobo Racing (1999)



As for 21-25 out of 30...

- 1st off, curly quotation marks still abound. Who ya gonna call? Quotebusters!

M. Bison
- Appearances - Cut that apostrophe ' from Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers and put it in Street Fighter II': Champion Edition.
- A couple more game link updates (not your fault... but maybe a mod's :P). Try:
http://www.ocremix.org/game/street-fighter-ii-champion-edition-arc/
http://www.ocremix.org/game/street-fighter-ex-plus-ps1/
- That second reference label doesn't sound specific enough. M. Bison's included among other Street Fighters in a script compilation of sorts. So maybe something like this would clear it up:
GameSurge - "Street Fighter Alpha 2 Quotes and Dialogue by Robert Iu"

Ness
I started using full stops later on for Bros. etc, so no difference there either.
So you can add periods (a.k.a. "full stops") in Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee in his bios.
- Slight upgrade to that 2nd reference:
Starmen.net (http://starmen.net/)

Alex Kidd
- Naoto Ohshima --> Naoto Ōshima (last name spelling)
- Alex Kidd wasn't Sega's first mascot, apparently; it was that cute little ship in Fantasy Zone, called Opa-Opa. So the word "first" in the opening sentence should be cut.
- Shorten "Sega Master System" to "Master System" under Appearances (no chance of misreading).
- Add a hyphen - in the title Alex Kidd: High-Tech World

Donkey Kong
- Add spaces around the dash mark here: "...ape named Donkey Kong—called 'Kong'..."
- Do you approve my suggested quote for DK?
DK Country[/i] instruction manual"]The Kremlings will pay! I'll hunt them down through every corner of my island, until I have every last banana from my horde back!!
- Fix for that first Game Boy appearance:
Donkey Kong Land (http://www.ocremix.org/game/donkey-kong-land-gb/) (1995)
- Super Smash Bros. came before Donkey Kong 64 (so place the former above the latter)
- Here's a fuller label for that last reference:
ggdb.com - "1981 Nintendo Donkey Kong"

Mega Man X
- Add the word "The" to the last reference label (yeah, super picky, I know): The Mega Man Network
I really, really don't like the X bio. If I felt like I was good enough, I'd rewrite it all, keeping only the overall structure.
Do you hate how the 2nd paragraph starts almost completely unrelated to the end of the 1st one? Or the straightforward storyline? Or how the bio describes the game layout more than X's character and his abilities? If there's something you can pinpoint, try tweaking it.

Come to think of it, I'm not very fond of M. Bison's bio because it reads like a matter-of-fact spoiler history. watkinzez kept the nature of Rose's bond to Bison a secret, but not only does Psychotic Ninja reveal it outright, he adds a casual plot point to the fact. Bison's death at the hands of Akuma may be needed to recount Akuma's origins, but speculating how and why Bison dies feels like Officer Barbrady wrapping up an investigation with his signature "Move along, people. There's nothing to see here." And we don't want these bios to resemble end-of-the-road eulogies. They need to be self-sufficient and engaging introductions. (Hell, I think even Alex Kidd's bio needs to be adjusted so as to not give the feel that he's a faded memory and is never coming back... even if that's true.)

Maybe I can reorganize and better connect the important parts of Bison's bio. Permission, sir?

[Dafydd]

Ugh. I guess I wasn't really paying attention. :|

Roman numerals suck, yeah. I read it wrong. Sorry about that. Fixxxed. The curly quotes apparently aren't showing in notepad for me. I tried opening it in notepad++. Found 16 of them. Heh. Gone now.

The street fighter games have totally retarded names. Alpha this, apostrophe that. Come on... :eyeroll:

Doesn't Ness have a quote? Isn't there something he says? Like in SSB? Same for Alex Kid, doesn't he say "Jan-Ken" or something? Maybe that's a speaker voice and not really him.

I don't remember DK saying that, but it's ok with me.

As for X - I hate how it reads like a summary of a lab report or something. It's so uninspired and stiff somehow. Go ahead and edit Bison's bio. We don't want spoilers, do we? :) Why don't you tinker with X's bio while you're at it?

I don't mind Alex Kidd's bio being the way it is - it doesn't say he's a faded memory, rather the opposite. I really can't imagine a comeback myself though, except a portable or cellphone version. What's the point in an Alex Kidd 3D?

[Linearity]

Hi guys.

It has been three months since I posted my edited bios. I edited the first fifty, and Polo generously shouldered the responsibility for the latter one hundred. Three months ago what I thought of as "the editing process" was complete.

Currently you're going over all of the text again and are nearly "done" with the first thirty. Since there are 150 bios, that leaves 120 still to go over. If you continue as you have and peruse 30 bios every three months, you will be finished one year from today. The project will have lasted three and a half years.

I do not want to be part of an endless editing cycle. I will not consider helping you edit any further unless djpretzel has specific issues that he wants addressed (or some similar circumstance that impedes the completion and implementation of our work).

I encourage you to, at least, take what we have and run it by Larry or DJP before you assume that it needs more work. I did my editing job well--I made sure that there were no passages that severely detracted from communication--and I trust that Polo did as well. Doing it again is a waste of time.

[Dafydd]

We're not really editing your bios all over again, Linearity. We're looking out for small things like curly qoutation marks (lol), dead links and various other minor flaws. As I've understood it, Polo is already done with his bios. The reason we still aren't finished is - *trumpet fanfare* - me. I have another 25 bios to proofread, with Polo's help. I took 2 months to get started and this last month I've done 25. I'll do another 25 within a month. And then we're done (I think).

You have been of great help, Linearity, and I don't mean this to sound like we could have done this without you, but I think we can finish this without any further assistance from you. You mentioned a while back that you would be unable to help us anymore because of time constaints or whatever it was, and I'm still counting on you not being able to help us. This should all be done before 2008, even at the rate I'm going.

[Polo]

^ The Swedish Man speaks the truth.

Practically speaking, I am officially DONE with my batch, not counting details I feel I can and probably should still mess with. So I'll PM Larry my text file for a massive bio implementation and let you guys know if there's any reason he won't add them right away, should he disclose a particular reason.

Doesn't Ness have a quote? Isn't there something he says? Like in SSB? Same for Alex Kid, doesn't he say "Jan-Ken" or something? Maybe that's a speaker voice and not really him.

I suggested quotes for Alex Kidd and Ness, but Linearity didn't add them. He might've thought that saying attack names or special moves, even if they're vocal clips, don't count because they're not sentences, questions, or individual thoughts. No big loss though.



:nicework: with the updates (#21-25). Two more:

Damn those Turks and damn those open curly quote marks! ‘

- Fix for that first Game Boy appearance:
Donkey Kong Land (http://www.ocremix.org/game/donkey-kong-land-gb/) (1995)
I meant to add the title name, since all I saw was the link and year with incomplete [url] tags.

I should have my proposed adjustments to M. Bison and Mega Man X by tomorrow or so. As for Alex Kidd... eh, we can keep him that way. Retired though he is, the bio itself doesn't spoil anything unusual, so it's fine by me.

[Linearity]

Okay. I misunderstood. That sounds like a much better situation.

I agree that you don't need my help to finish, now that I understand that we're still generally on the same page as far as our expectations of the editing process. However, I will be back home in about a week and a half, and then I can help with anything that needs doing.

[Dafydd]

In that case, I'll try to be done before then, if I can. :wink:

[Polo]

Hopefully these aren't too different from their original ilk. First up, Master Buffalo:

M. Bison, the final boss of Street Fighter II, has long aspired to be the strongest martial artist in the world so as to dominate it. He is the mastermind behind Shadoloo, a covert crime organization, whose death toll has made many lust for revenge against the dictator. By hosting the second World Warrior tournament, Bison hopes to draw out and eliminate these potential threats to his plans.

In a one-on-one match, Bison likes to leap and dive through the air, cheating gravity. The Psycho Crusher turns him into a flaming human torpedo, the Scissor Kick is a quick but powerful feet-first lunge, and the Head Stomp is exactly what it sounds like. Additionally, in the Alpha series, M. Bison has mastered the Psycho Power, an occult energy that enables him to fly, teleport, and create multiple illusions of himself. Combined with his burning, pupil-less eyes, many see the madman as the embodiment of evil.

Plus another reference for the guy:
replacementdocs - Street Fighter II Turbo instruction manual (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Street_Fighter_II_Turbo_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf)



As for Ultraman XYZ:

Long after the events of the classic Mega Man series, the X series highlights the exploits of Dr. Light's last creation, known as X. He is the first robot with the human capacity to think for himself and make his own decisions, and this ability was soon built into every robot thereafter. Some of these Reploids — so called because their design was effectively "replicated" from X — chose to rebel against their human creators, the most aggressive among them bent on eradicating the human race. X makes it his purpose to hunt and destroy these "Mavericks" in an effort to protect the peace.

Like Mega Man before him, X has the Variable Weapons System; this allows him to copy a defeated Maverick's weapon into his X-Buster and use it for himself. Added to his arsenal is the ability to wall-jump to facilitate exploration. X may even find capsules left by the late Dr. Light that upgrade his systems into full armor. Joined by fellow Maverick Hunter Zero, X tackles the wave of robots led by the head Maverick, Sigma.

[Dafydd]

Thanks. I took some liberties with the X bio and added a few things from the old bio and some other stuff I thought was missing. Same thing with Geno. I haven't checked all the links and there's probably a bunch of other stuff to fix, too, but here's the next 5:

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_21-30.txt

[Polo]

I like your additions in X's bio. They're subtle, yet they really help the flow and the clarity of the piece. And I'm okay with the stuff you reinstated / tweaked in Geno's bio.

Two quick +italics jobs:
- M. Bison - "Additionally, in the Alpha series..."
- Mega Man X - "...the X series highlights..."

More X fiXes:
- The word "lead" is spelt "led" when used in the past tense. ("...led by a sense of justice...")
- Add bold tags here: "Like Mega Man before him..." (italics are for games and game series)



#26-30 fixes...

1) Curly apostrophes ’ are sooooooo last week.

Star Fox
- Capitalize the second 'c' in "McCloud" in the Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_McCloud)

Metroid
- Capitalize "Morph Ball" ('cause it's the name of a power-up): "...the use of a Morph Ball bomb..."
- Fix the first Wiki link, anchor and all: Wikipedia - "Metroid (series) - Metroids" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series)#Metroids)
- Found the latest outfit for that last reference:
replacementdocs - Super Metroid instruction manual (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf)

Geno
- Write the full game title in the "Pictured from" line: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
- Creator = Square, not Squaresoft. Or Circlehard for that matter.
- It seems the company AlphaDream is one word, not two. Their site confirms it.
- Game link update (yep): http://www.ocremix.org/game/super-mario-rpg-legend-of-the-seven-stars-snes/
- The 2nd reference evolves into a new Pokéman (pocket manual): replacementdocs - Super Mario RPG instruction manual (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Super_Mario_RPG_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf)

Samus Aran
- Swap the italics tags within the first line here: "...consult the Samus Aran (Prime) bio."
- Add elbow room around the dashes: "...never truly revealed to players — and was presumably male — until..."

Samus Aran (Prime)
- Delete the extra word in this sentence (bolded): "...backstory is present in this game than its in its predecessors..."
- The labels for the instruction manual references are fine; just fit them with new links:
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Metroid_Prime_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Metroid_Prime_2_-_Echoes_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf



Sweet sig, btw. :-P

[Dafydd]

- The word "lead" is spelt "led" when used in the past tense. ("...led by a sense of justice...") Doh. I got it mixed up with "read". It's weird how they don't follow the same declension pattern, really. Anyway, isn't there a better word for "accidentally" in the second sentence? It sounds negative somehow. "Randomly" sounds too comical, and also like it happened several times. "Haphazardly" also sounds rather habitual. Suggestions from a native speaker?

Also, I added another wiki link for Geno. Maybe we can delete the old one? It really doesn't say much at all about him.

1) Curly apostrophes ’ are sooooooo last week. Well goddamnit!! How many times do I have to "replace all"?! Arghhh!!!

- Creator = Square, not Squaresoft. Or Circlehard for that matter. Try that joke with "Microsoft". I'd totally go for a name like that if I ever launched a hardware company. Or a gay porn website (though I suspect that in the latter case, the name is already taken, and the site is probably Russian, too).

- It seems the company AlphaDream is one word, not two. Their site confirms it. Sure it's not "BetaNightmare"?

- Swap the italics tags within the first line here: "...consult the Samus Aran (Prime) bio."Nuh... I'm so confused now. What? Did I get it right?

Pokéman A very disturbing word, unless explained (which you did).

[Polo]

Anyway, isn't there a better word for "accidentally" in the second sentence? It sounds negative somehow. "Randomly" sounds too comical, and also like it happened several times. "Haphazardly" also sounds rather habitual. Suggestions from a native speaker?
You can replace "accidentally found" with "unearthed" to remove any feelings of "oops, made a terrible mistake somehow..." Dr. Cain finds Dr. Light's lab and X's capsule during an archaeological dig (the instructions say so), and "unearthed" has a subtle tone of awe and discovery, unlike the phrase "dug up" (which in some contexts can sound negative).

I added another wiki link for Geno. Maybe we can delete the old one? It really doesn't say much at all about him.
That brings up an interesting point, actually. Should we allow more than one Wiki link in the reference lists? I'm concerned because Star Fox has three of them detailing the major games he's been in - alongside the one for his character alone. A bit much, isn't it? Alternatively, we can keep the Wiki links the original author put into the bio, but if a character-specific page exists on Wikipedia but not in the reference list, then we add it, as you did with Geno. I see no harm in keeping the old link there, because readers can get an idea of the world Geno's coming from. But if you think we should allow only one Wiki link per mascot, let me know.

...

Here's how I get rid of curly quotation marks...

1) I open up a blank .wps file (used with Microsoft Works Word Processor) and type out the punctuation in Times New Roman font, a space between each mark: ‘ ’ “ ”
2) Then I open the bio edits .txt file in Notepad, placing the blinking "text goes here" line at the beginning.
3) I go to Edit --> Replace... (or hit CTRL + H on my keypad), then copy ONE curly mark into the first line and type its straight replacement (either ' or " ) in the second one.
4) Now I click the Find Next command once and Replace command X number of times until I reach the end of the document.
5) I repeat steps 3 and 4 using the other three marks - starting again from the beginning of the text file - and by the end they're gone.

The good news is those bastards are gone from this batch. So have a beer or something to celebrate.

- It seems the company AlphaDream is one word, not two. Their site confirms it.
Sure it's not "BetaNightmare"?
Crap, I meant ThetaReverie. Or was it SigmaVision? Or... OmegaTrance! That's it! (also: proof (http://www.alphadream.co.jp/) that it's (http://games.ign.com/objects/027/027722.html) one word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaDream))

- Swap the italics tags within the first line here: "...consult the Samus Aran (Prime) bio."
Nuh... I'm so confused now. What? Did I get it right?
You see that overt [/i] tag in front of the word Prime (and the i in the square brackets [] behind it)? The slash mark / belongs within the second set of brackets.

Finally, give the Metroid Prime 2 manual link its update:
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Metroid_Prime_2_-_Echoes_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf
...and these should be set.

[Dafydd]

Next batch.

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_31-40.txt

Haven't checked all the links yet, and I need some help with some things. I've left comments in some of them. With your hawkeyes, I won't even need to point them out, I'm sure. A few comments / whatever:

"SNK vs. Capcom: /Capcom vs. SNK 2" ? That's just wrong...

voiced by Nobuyuki Hiyama, who provided Link's mature voice in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.Dude, that's like 12 seconds of voice acting. I wonder what he got paid. And how long it took to make that recording. And if Shigeru was present... or not. Anyway, that's a lot of nerd fame and immortalityness for a really quick job, heh.

Yep, commas and periods belong within quotation marks.I won't call the shots, but it looks funny to me.

- A newb wouldn't know who Zasalamel or Setsuka are, especially if they're referred to only by name. I say leave 'em out.Do we leave out the whole sentence or is there a way to explain that she's kind of an mid-range character, difficulty wise? Or is that what we just did in the previous sentence? Also, what is a "ring blade"? If you feel like cleaning that bio up, go ahead. I think it's usually pretty difficult to move things around when I don't know the character at all.

He also throws claws as SamusSamus throws claws? Dang!

claws as SamusCATFIGHT!! Oh wait, one of them is a giant dinosaur. Then it doesn't count.

Now tell me how I did with the edits - some of those sentences might not sound very natural to your ears.

No need to check the links for me just yet, I just need some more time.

[Polo]

No need to check the links for me just yet, I just need some more time.
All righty. Just remember to review instruction manuals (once more, here's the latest archive (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/) to grab updated links from) and Article lines (make sure they lead to the right author).



+italics job I overlooked last time (Geno's bio): "...the characters that debuted in Super Mario RPG..."

Maybe I should illustrate the Samus Aran preambles this way. Copy and paste the following two lines into their respective bios; they're surrounded by just one set of italics tags, and they have one set of bold tags inside, like so...
Samus Aran:
This article is one of two Samus biographies. For more information, consult the Samus Aran (Prime) bio.

Samus Aran (Prime):
This article is one of two Samus biographies. For more information, consult the Samus Aran bio.



#31-40 breakdown...

Tidus
- Created by Square (the company's root name; Squaresoft is only the brand name, often used inaccurately)
- To my eyes, "Tea-dus" looks kind of odd. When writing pronunciation, it's often best to write out two Es for long "ee" sounds. Inflection (or syllable emphasis) is also needed, usually in CAPITALS. So I propose this: "TEE-dus"
- Yeah, that last paragraph sounds like it's catering to fanboys with a subliminal "buy this game" message. If you're up for it, the Wiki link should provide you with enough info on Tidus and/or FF10 to write about objectively. You can even move it to the beginning of the bio so the reader can understand the world of FF10 and its sequel-birthing influence before delving into character details. Or you can let me have a go at it.

Batsu Iichimonji
- Add the period . in 'vs.' in "SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters' Clash" in the 3rd paragraph.
- Move the Neo Geo Pocket Color appearance above the Dreamcast list (for the order of release years).

"SNK vs. Capcom: /Capcom vs. SNK 2" ? That's just wrong...
I think Joe Redifer's Mega Man II ROBOVoice ReMix sums it up nicely: "Those folks at Capcom they have no shame / Make tons of sequels they will..."

Dude, that's like 12 seconds of voice acting. I wonder what he got paid. And how long it took to make that recording. And if Shigeru was present... or not. Anyway, that's a lot of nerd fame and immortalityness for a really quick job, heh.
Ironic that the hero of the #1 Game of All Time (on some lists) still cannot communicate with his own people (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/381814).

Tira
- The Internet Movie Database (second reference)

- A newb wouldn't know who Zasalamel or Setsuka are, especially if they're referred to only by name. I say leave 'em out.
Do we leave out the whole sentence or is there a way to explain that she's kind of an mid-range character, difficulty wise? Or is that what we just did in the previous sentence? Also, what is a "ring blade"? If you feel like cleaning that bio up, go ahead. I think it's usually pretty difficult to move things around when I don't know the character at all.
The first sentence in paragraph 5 should be clear enough ("middling skill"), so remove the sentence that brings up characters Z and S. If you find it looks too fan-servicey after that, I'd say delete the whole paragraph. Saying her ring blade is "fun to watch" is, well, not objective to say the least. And "far-fetched"? "Adds a new twist"? The bio starts with, and stays in, a tone of objectivity throughout; by the end it feels like it turns around and goes, "but did you know it's awesome?!" The bio would end just fine with the 4th paragraph.

The ring blade is her bigass circular weapon. You can't miss it:
http://www.ocremix.org/images/template/ocr4_mascot132.jpg

Link
- Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee both need the period . after Bros.
- Put the Super NES appearance above the Game Boy ones (for chronology).

Kraid
as Samus
Congratulations sir, you've found a rarity in my posts: a typo! :lol:

- Didn't catch this the first time around:
shooting spines through holes in his stomach
Did you mean spikes? Here, it sounds like he shoots backbones through his stomach. Ouchies.

Ridley
- Add bold tags here: "...grips Samus in his claws..."
Ridely also cameos in...
Oops! L before E!
- A colon : would work better than a semicolon here: "...from a dragon-like creature: he breathes fire..."

Frog
- Don't feel bad for slipping by Squaresoft in the "Created by" line. They used to put it on all their products as their brand name. To refer to the company as a whole, we're listing their root name, Square.

Serge
- Here, too (cut the "soft" from the "Created by" line).
- Give spaces to the dash marks: "...he ultimately sets out to — of course — save the world."
- Parts of the first and third paragraphs uproot vague, biased reception ("given stellar reviews"; "unique, original game experience that turned some players off"; "well-regarded bestseller"). I'll see what kind of monkey wrench I can crank in there.

Princess Ruto
- Good job getting rid of the Medallion tidbit. "Though her feelings for him are for nothing" isn't awkward English, but in the context of the paragraph it seems to break apart what's just been built up. Perhaps this: "After they leave Jabu Jabu, Ruto is revealed to have a crush on Link. This remains prevalent later on in the game, after the two have grown up. She asserts that she is the woman who is going to be Link's wife, without realizing what sort of destiny awaits her."

Azel
Yep, commas and periods belong within quotation marks.
I won't call the shots, but it looks funny to me.
That's how it is in American English. Unfortunately, I wasn't aware that the British / Australian way is to put punctuation outside quotation marks in certain cases. So when I found out, I promptly cleaned up watkinzez's bios in places where I previously moved punctuation inside quotations.

And the reason I'm quoting this under Azel and not Tira is because Miletus, the writer of Azel's bio, uses British / Australian English, as evidenced in how he spells "civilisation" and "favourite." So I withdraw my earlier comment about putting the comma inside the word 'servant' and say instead to leave it out ('servant',). In other words, my bad.

- Put spaces around the dash: "...among various factions — control of Azel..."



No sentence sounds like unnatural English to me, so thumbs up. AND... there's no curly quote marks! Hooray! :-D

[Dafydd]

Samus Aran:
This article is one of two Samus biographies. For more information, consult the Samus Aran (Prime) bio.

Samus Aran (Prime):
This article is one of two Samus biographies. For more information, consult the Samus Aran bio.

Why didn't you just SAY so...? http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/fighting0029.gif Seriously though, I didn't catch that's what you meant at all by your previous instruction (that's me getting hit by the hammer you're holding, btw).

- Created by Square (the company's root name; Squaresoft is only the brand name, often used inaccurately)You can tell me that again. And again. And again. To me, the maker is the one whose name shows up when starting the game, and since I didn't play this one, how would I know? :)

- To my eyes, "Tea-dus" looks kind of odd.I changed it only to spite you. I had a good laugh doing it, too. I agree with your suggestion to capitalize the stressed syllable though.

Or you can let me have a go at it.Please, go ahead.

I think Joe Redifer's Mega Man II ROBOVoice ReMix sums it up nicely: "Those folks at Capcom they have no shame / Make tons of sequels they will...LOL, I've missed out on this until now. I wonder if this would have been accepted these days, even if mixed properly. I can barely hear the words for the crappy production. More like OLR, but they'd probably think it was too good for them. Speaking of which, I'm in the mood for some "hello cat" right now.


Ironic that the hero of the #1 Game of All Time (on some lists) still cannot communicate with his own people (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/381814).That was so awesome. One of the things that bothered me the most in that game was that you were able to return to Kokiri village as an adult, and everyone kept talking about this guy they knew who disappeared, and there's no way of telling them it's you. Broke my heart, it did, unwillingly keeping a secret like that.

The ring blade is her bigass circular weapon. You can't miss it:
http://www.ocremix.org/forums/../images/template/ocr4_mascot132.jpgNever gave that thing any thought before, I've been too busy waiting for her boobs to fall out of that ridiculous outfit. At least, I never realized that was a weapon she was holding.

Did you mean spikes? Here, it sounds like he shoots backbones through his stomach. Ouchies.You got me back big time. Very ouch indeed. 'Course, I'd be in a lot of pain pushing spikes through my belly button, too... his body is described as "spiny", however. Does that mean he's a vertebrate or what?
- A colon : would work better than a semicolon here: "...from a dragon-like creature: he breathes fire..."Yeah... what are semicolons for anyway? Outside of programming I mean...

Frog
- Don't feel bad for slipping by Squaresoft in the "Created by" line. They used to put it on all their products as their brand name. To refer to the company as a whole, we're listing their root name, Square.If it weren't for that I want this all to be done right, I could care less what they choose to call themselves. As long as you know, I'm fine.

She asserts that she is the woman who is going to be Link's wife, without realizing what sort of destiny awaits her."Much better, thank you.

That's how it is in American English.Consistency ftw, but I doubt anyone will give a dayum about something as nitpicky as that once it's in the wiki, really. If we're gonna keep the spelling as it is, we might as well keep thr order of various odd characters too.

I'm gonna fix this and the links, too, before posting again.

[Dafydd]

Ok, I've checked all the links, I think. I made the reference to the Super Metroid manual a link and added one to the Metroid II manual in the Metroid bio (there's some nifty stuff about their development stages in there). Prepare yourself for some "oops I did it again", because I've probably missed some fixes in there.

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_31-40.txt

I'm waiting for LT to reply to my PM about wikification and stuff. I guess he'll have to ask DJP, and who knows when he has the time to talk.

[Polo]

As long as you faithfully apply these fixes and keep a positive attitude about it, Dafydd, I'm happy. :-)

Also, wise choice in adding the Metroid II instruction manual. Yeah, that'll be a feast for fans of those gelatinous parasites. Just add the "replacementdocs - " prefix to the link's label and batch 3 is finalized.



#31-40... *cracks knuckles*

Tidus
- The reason I said to check Article lines is because OmegaMe's name links to Psychotic Ninja's profile. Fix:
http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=12201
- I think the last paragraph can be read this way:
Final Fantasy X was one of the first fully 3D RPGs with an entirely voice casted script. Due to its critical success, it was the first game in the series to be followed up by a direct sequel: Final Fantasy X-2. In this game Tidus is not the main character, but rather the quarry of the main characters' quest.

Batsu Iichimonji
The Rival Schools Network link isn't working for me, but I suspect it'll be back up and running eventually. It's happened before with other reference links in other bios.

Tira
- I'm finding it hard to read the first sentence in the fifth paragraph without furrowing my brow in confusion. So her scant costume... is appealing. Okay. Middling skill level... wait. Isn't the costume supposed to be for show? I don't see how it gives any indication as to how hard it is to play as her. Her stance, maybe. The use of her ring blade... well, it's a fighting game, so of course esoteric weapons will be employed. Unconventional, but adds a twist to the gameplay, like her costume... but they're independent of each other. They ARE central to her character, but it's already proven earlier in the bio.

I dunno where Daethar dug up the bit about her costume appealing to average skill-level players. Even if the developers say that, it's just... awkward. I'd suggest removing the 5th paragraph altogether, because the rest of it doesn't say much objectively.

I've been too busy waiting for her boobs to fall out of that ridiculous outfit.
Yeah, who hasn't?

- Add a space between The and Internet in the second reference label.

Link
- Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee both need the period . after Bros.
Just one more, in the bio itself: "His appearance in Super Smash Bros. allowed..."

- As long as the second reference has an #anchor in its url, match up the label:
Zelda Universe - "The Great Hyrule Encyclopedia - Link"

Kraid
his body is described as "spiny", however. Does that mean he's a vertebrate or what?
Last I checked, lizards (and by extension reptiles) are vertebrates. So yes.
- Here's the Super Metroid instruction manual to keep Kraid up to par with his fellow Space Pirate Ridley:
replacementdocs - Super Metroid instruction manual (ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/disks/11/replacementdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf)
- Wiki update:
Wikipedia - "Metroid (series) - Kraid" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(series)#Kraid)

Ridley
Yeah... what are semicolons for anyway? Outside of programming I mean...
A semicolon acts more strongly than a comma, but doesn't halt a sentence completely the way a period does; it's often used before rephrasing the first clause or extrapolating an idea from it. A colon sets up a description or a list, like Ridley's actions: flying around, whipping his tail, screeching at the top of his lungs, purloining the last Metroid, and so forth.

- Add "replacementdocs - " at the start of the instruction manual's label.

Frog
He's clean. No more customs regulation for this animorphibian.

Serge
- Here's a possible clean-up to paragraph 1:
Serge is the silent protagonist of Chrono Cross, a role-playing game remotely based on its predecessor, Chrono Trigger. Much like Crono in the first game, Serge has no speaking parts aside from the various choices the player makes as his story unfolds. This allows the character to represent the player, rather than remaining confined to an assigned personality, which the other 40 or so playable characters in the game have.

And paragraph 3:
Chrono Cross follows neither the style of the Final Fantasy series nor that of its prequel Chrono Trigger. But despite its mixed fan following, it's regarded as an iconic title among PlayStation RPGs with its deep character development and its complex storyline.

Princess Ruto
The fish is good to go... with chips! :-P

Azel
If we're gonna keep the spelling as it is, we might as well keep thr order of various odd characters too.
Yeah, that's why I brought up the bit about punctuation and quotations. The original bio has it the old way ('servant',) and I voted to change it back to that. Unless writers say that they disregard certain regional differences, then we keep spelling and punctuation variations intact. (watkinzez used to write Super Smash Bros without a full stop (period) and to withhold hyphens from two-word adjectives such as "bee like" and "ill fated" according to Australian / British rules, but he says it's okay now to add full stops and hyphens in his bios.)



http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/fighting0029.gif
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/polo_83/dog_petting_full.gif
Who's a good boy? Yes you are! Have a treat!

[Dafydd]

- The reason I said to check Article lines is because OmegaMe's name links to Psychotic Ninja's profile. Fix:
http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=12201

Oops. I hope we don't have any more of these boo-boos.

Batsu Iichimonji
The Rival Schools Network link isn't working for me, but I suspect it'll be back up and running eventually. It's happened before with other reference links in other bios.It's dead for me too, but I'm sure it'll come back up at some point. The website hasn't moved to another url, as far as I know.

I don't see how it gives any indication as to how hard it is to play as her.See, a really bad player won't take interest in a scantily clad girl, and neither will a good player. Urrr. Yeah, paragraph removed, although I kinda liked how I'd rewritten it.

Last I checked, lizards (and by extension reptiles) are vertebrates. So yes.Well duh. But then the same could be said about Samus...

(watkinzez used to write Super Smash Bros without a full stop (period)Unless the Australian versions of these games came in boxes where the game title was written without the period, we're going to ignore this fact and add periods (and other results of with full stops in a woman's unsafe sex life (ok, that pun was really bad)) to all of his bios and everywhere else too. Even if we did leave "Bros." without the period (which I'm sure the brothers would appreciate), we'd still add those periods to every occurence of "Bros" in the list of appearances, and that just wouldn't make any sense at all.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/polo_83/dog_petting_full.gif
Haha, cute. When this is over I'll need to get myself some replacementdogs.

[Polo]

Bravo, comrade. The bios are lookin' sharper than ever.

Just one small brush-up for Tidus:
...followed up by a direct sequel: - Final Fantasy X-2.
Choose either the colon : or the dash mark — here, since having one right after the other looks odd (unless you're doing it to spite me again...).

I won't push the issue in Azel's bio ('servant',) any further if you don't want to change it back. After all, regional differences are flimsy, and lines get crossed unknowingly all the time. watkinzez wrote "energizes" instead of 'energises' in Crono's bio, and I left it that way. So, no biggie.

Unless the Australian versions of these games came in boxes where the game title was written without the period, we're going to ignore this fact and add periods (and other results of with full stops in a woman's unsafe sex life (ok, that pun was really bad)) to all of his bios and everywhere else too. Even if we did leave "Bros." without the period (which I'm sure the brothers would appreciate), we'd still add those periods to every occurence of "Bros" in the list of appearances, and that just wouldn't make any sense at all.
Correct.



Only one batch left! We're nearly there!

[Dafydd]

Choose either the colon : or the dash mark — here, since having one right after the other looks odd (unless you're doing it to spite me again...).

I won't push the issue in Azel's bio ('servant',) any further if you don't want to change it back.

These were just mistakes. Fixed now.

Only one batch left! We're nearly there!

Yeah, who knew? And here it is (http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_41-50+152%21=192.txt)! Replacementdocs seems to be down atm, so I wasn't able to check the links there... also wasn't sure how to label the GameFAQ links.

[Polo]

*puts on radiation suit* I'm going in.

Yuna
- Creator = Square
- Both Yuna and Tidus's bios say that 1) FF10 is fully 3D and voice casted, and 2) its sequel focuses on finding Tidus. Plus, OmegaMe seems to have slipped in a bit of subjective reception (in the last sentence). So to limit info overlap between these two bios (and stay objective), I'd suggest removing the third paragraph altogether and replace the first paragraph with the following:
While the story of Final Fantasy X is focused on and narrated by Tidus, Yuna is the central character in terms of the purpose behind the main characters' journey. All of Yuna's fellow travelers come along solely to guard her on her quest to bring back a period of peace to her world. Yuna's name means, in different regions of Japan, both "night" and "blossom" and also refers to a hibiscus flower that blooms at night; this is symbolic of Yuna freeing the world of Spira from a time of pain.

Ganondorf
...he does not use it prior to The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker and the spin-off game Super Smash Bros Melee.
The way this is worded sounds as though Melee is a spin-off Zelda game. Either cut "the spin-off game" from that sentence or change it to "the fighting game" to avoid confusion.

- There are some superfluous details in the 3rd paragraph regarding the Ocarina of Time storyline. I think some things can be left out, and the paragraph can be read this way:
The King of Evil's backstory is first discussed in the 1998 title The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which is the first part of the series's story. Originating in the desert in the west of Hyrule, he proposes an alliance between the Gerudo race and the Hylian King. A young Zelda and Link realize his intentions are not what they seem to be, and the two children embark on a quest to protect the Triforce from him. However, Ganondorf manages to claim it for himself and he takes over Hyrule. In the end his form becomes mutated by the corrupting power of the Triforce, and he becomes Ganon.

- Add a period . in Super Smash Bros. Melee (in Appearances and References)
- Add [/url] at the end of the instruction manual link

Dr. Robotnik
- Write out "Doctor" in the Wiki label. That's all. Also kudos on writing out "replacementdocs - " for each of the instruction manuals.

Bonus Kun
- Capitalize the K every time you see "kun" (consistency)
- I feel "techniques of fighting" should be altered to "fighting techniques" (the former sounds odd to my ears)
- Add spaces around the dash marks: "...little more than headbutts — and kicks of some nature — at his disposal."

wasn't sure how to label the GameFAQ links.
The FAQs we link to are fan-made, and I think writing "by (fan's pseudonym)" in the link label helps in two ways: 1) it credits the original author of a self-contained .txt file and 2) chances are there's more than one FAQ with the same name - unoriginally titled after the game it's detailing - and differentiating between "Galaxy Fight FAQ" and "Galaxy Fight FAQ" would be annoying. The name's not immediately noticeable when using hyphens to separate parts of the article name, as we've been doing to Wikipedia. So for Bonus Kun:
GameFAQs - "Galaxy Fight by Joe Palanca"

- I dunno why Lin linked to Wikipedia with a "www" in its path. Readjustment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waku_Waku_7

Fei Fong Wong
- Creator = Square
- Add "replacementdocs - " at the start of the instruction manual label.

Mario
Super Mario Bros.
Odd how the period appears outside of the italics barrier (3rd paragraph)...

- As with Fei Fong Wong, put "replacementdocs - " in the instruction manual label.

Mega Man
- Follow the examples of Fei and Mario and attach "replacementdocs - " to the instruction manual label (last reminder, I swear)

Terra Branford
- Creator = Square (the last of THIS reminder too, I swear by the great pretzel!)
- I think a comma would help in the first paragraph: "As such, she represents..."
- Magitek Knight, Magitek Armor (capitals needed in Knight and Armor when the word Magitek comes first)
- I see how you got confused on what to label this GameFAQ reference. (The author calls himself Jeff Chan as well as Atom Edge.) Did you notice the header up top? It doesn't just have the name of the browser you're using; it has a full title, FAQ name and author included:
GameFAQs: Final Fantasy III (SNES) FAQ / Walkthrough by Atom Edge
I say if the header has a unique title like that, use it.

- A toast to the half-Esper's Wiki link, #anchor and all:
Wikipedia - "Characters of Final Fantasy VI - Terra Branford" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Final_Fantasy_VI#Terra_Branford)

The Prince
- "...sequel's single player mode." (reads more completely that way)
- We talked about removing his quote because it's contradictory to what the bio says ("Appearing mute throughout the game..."). So off with his tongue!
- Change PSP to PlayStation Portable in the Appearances list.
- Me and My Katamari --> Me & My Katamari (+ampers&)
- For the GameFAQs label:
GameFAQs: Katamari Damacy (PS2) FAQ by aechris

- I question the value of the third reference. It's a YouTube video, meant to parody KD. It's humorous, but do we want it to be a part of a bio that'll be a part of OCR? I offer a more worthwhile replacement:
Katamari (http://katamari.namco.com/)

Pac-Man
- A possible fix for the 2nd paragraph's 2nd sentence:
However, it is revealed in the arcade game Ms. Pac-Man (released by Midway without authorization from Namco, Pac-Man's original creators) that he has a romantic interest of the same name, as well as a child in Jr. Pac-Man, both of whom are round, yellow people like him.

- And a touch-up to the 3rd paragraph's 2nd sentence:
Many who have played no other video game have played Pac-Man at some point.

Otacon
That's weird. The image pathway doesn't have "www" in its url, but it links properly. Here's the image link with the www extension:
http://www.ocremix.org/images/template/ocr4_mascot151.jpg



Replacementdocs seems to be down atm

I tell ya, if it isn't one host, it's another. I checked the original site (http://www.replacementdocs.com/download.php) and found that the "Download" arrows work again, using a different path / host (jarcas.dreamhosters.com). You may update them en masse if you so choose...

1-10:
Doom Trooper: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Ultimate_Doom_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf
Sonic the Hedgehog: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_-_Manual_-_GEN.pdf
Joanna Dark: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Perfect_Dark_-_AU_Manual_-_N64.pdf

11-20:
Captain Falcon: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/F-Zero_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Bowser: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Mario_Bros_-_Manual_-_NES.pdf

21-30:
M. Bison: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Street_Fighter_II_Turbo_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Donkey Kong: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Donkey_Kong_Country_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Mega Man X: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Mega_Man_X_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Metroid (2):
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Metroid_II_-_Manual_-_GB.pdf
Geno: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Mario_RPG_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Samus Aran: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Samus Aran (Prime) (2):
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Metroid_Prime_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Metroid_Prime_2_-_Echoes_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf

31-40:
Tidus: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Final_Fantasy_X_-_Manual_-_PS2.pdf
Kraid: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Ridley: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Metroid_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Serge: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Chrono_Cross_-_Manual_-_PSX.pdf
Princess Ruto: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/The_Legend_of_Zelda_-_Ocarina_Of_Time_-_Manual_-_N64.pdf

41-50 +151:
Yuna: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Final_Fantasy_X_-_Manual_-_PS2.pdf
Ganondorf: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/The_Legend_of_Zelda_-_Ocarina_Of_Time_-_Manual_-_N64.pdf
Dr. Robotnik (5):
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_-_Manual_-_GEN.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2_-_Manual_-_GEN.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3_-_Manual_-_GEN.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_Adventure_2_-_Manual_-_DC.pdf
http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Sonic_Heroes_-_Manual_-_GC.pdf
Fei Fong Wong: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Xenogears_-_Manual_-_PSX.pdf
Mario: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Super_Mario_Bros_-_Manual_-_NES.pdf
Mega Man: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Mega_Man_-_Manual_-_NES.pdf
Terra Branford: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Final_Fantasy_III_-_Manual_-_SNS.pdf
Otacon: http://jarcas.dreamhosters.com/rdocs/Metal_Gear_Solid_-_Manual_-_PSX.pdf



I'll get cracking on my batch when I'm sober.

[Dafydd]

Pretty :nicework: for a drunk guy, I'd say. Sorry for all the blunders in this batch, I just can't seem to actually proof read them all at once, I get too bored after just a few paragraphs. Then I have to take a good number of deep breaths (by doing something fun) before diving back into boredom. It's going to be done better if I let you do it :) So thanks for the fixes, I'll make the necessary adjustments (but not today, I left for work at 6:40AM and got home from it at 7PM, bleh) and maybe find something you missed (since you were drunk and all and I very rarely am (though I might seem like it at times)).

[Polo]

I was gonna say I'd get cracking when I had sufficient rest, but "sober" just kinda popped outta me. Even I'm not PERFLECTLY Englishly. :lol:

And it's good to take a step back and do something fun now and then. Helps keeps us sane... and sober, heh.

It's going to be done better if I let you do it :)
I just do whatever you don't do. :-P

[Dafydd]

And it's good to take a step back and do something fun now and then. Helps keeps us sane... and sober, heh.

Yeah. I bet these bios haunt you in your dreams and that when you fall asleep you unwillingly count bios instead of sheep.

[Polo]

I actually count the number of avatars that Nineko subbed in the avatar thread. :lol:

In other news, I renewed my subscription to every instruction manual link in my batch, Larry still hasn't answered my PMs or dropped a hint that he started Wiki'ing, and http://www.projectjustice.com/ is still down in the dumps and I can't seem to cheer it up.

[Linearity]

I'm home, just so everyone knows. Are you guys done or should I look at anything? If Larry doesn't respond, we might drop DJP a line.

[Dafydd]

Yeah... I might ask DJP instead. But let's finish this last batch first. I'm almost done, Lin, if you want you can carry out the last fixes in that last batch. I'm kind of busy these few coming days.

[Linearity]

I did everything you mentioned, Polo, except

- I made every reference "Bonus kun" instead of "Bonus Kun" because that's what appears on the game screen in Waku Waku 7

- I omitted the reference to Jr. Pac-man because a scene in Ms. Pac-man shows the couple receiving a tiny Pac-child from a stork

Here it is: Batch 41-50 + Otacon (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edastuart/OCR_Mascot_Bios_41-50.txt)

[Polo]

Nice work Lin. I just have two last nitpicks before we wrap up these gems and send them off to the End Bosses...

Yuna - The first sentence only says "the game" and assumes that the reader knows what game's being talked about. I know Yuna's "Pictured from" line gives it away, but for the sake of keeping the "Bio" chunks of these reports self-sustaining, I suggest adding the title Final Fantasy X somewhere in that opening sentence. ("While Final Fantasy X is focused on..." or "...Yuna is the central character of Final Fantasy X in terms of...")

Ganondorf - After some Googling, I can tell you that the PAL release of Melee has a period after Bros. in the title. Yes, I know they sometimes leave it off out of habit through British English, but just as the Game Boy Color doesn't really have a 'u' in it, so too does Super Smash Bros. Melee officially have an abbreviation mark in its title. Besides:
I started using full stops later on for Bros. etc, so no difference there either.
Dafydd and I decided to add "full stops" whenever "Bros." appeared in his bios, and that includes Super Smash Bros. Melee in the Appearance and Reference sections here. For consistency, of course.

And that's all of it.



- I made every reference "Bonus kun" instead of "Bonus Kun" because that's what appears on the game screen in Waku Waku 7
Okay. I'm glad you changed it to lowercase in the top line (the mascot's name) to stay consistent.

- I omitted the reference to Jr. Pac-man because a scene in Ms. Pac-man shows the couple receiving a tiny Pac-child from a stork
Well I'll be a Pac-Uncle. A quick play-through of Ms. Pac-Man confirms it.

Also for the record, every instruction manual link works just fine, with either the ftp.planetmirror or (in my batch) jarcas.dreamhosters url path.

Oh, and Dafydd, if you feel the Rival Schools Network link in Batsu's bio won't ever work again (or at least anytime soon), you could exchange it for this one:
Justice Network (http://www.projectjustice.tk/)
If you agree to it, I can do that for Edge, Roberto, and Akira in my text file as well.



And about submitting these... You guys want me to gather our up-to-date text files (links to 1-10 / 11-20 / 21-30 / 31-40 by Dafydd, 41-50 by Linearity, 51-154 by me) and PM both djpretzel and Liontamer with a formal message of some sort? If you have something you want to say, I can add your words to our collective PM. Thoughts?

[Dafydd]

Speaking of Pac-Man...
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1411/pacmanchartfd0.gif


Oh, and Dafydd, if you feel the Rival Schools Network link in Batsu's bio won't ever work again (or at least anytime soon), you could exchange it for this one:
Justice Network (http://www.projectjustice.tk/)
If you agree to it, I can do that for Edge, Roberto, and Akira in my text file as well.

Why not just add rather than exchange? In case the old link starts working again, I mean.

And about submitting these... You guys want me to gather our up-to-date text files (links to 1-10 / 11-20 / 21-30 / 31-40 by Dafydd, 41-50 by Linearity, 51-154 by me) and PM both djpretzel and Liontamer with a formal message of some sort? If you have something you want to say, I can add your words to our collective PM. Thoughts?

You gather them up, I send the PM. This is my project, and I wi... want to do it. No, seriously, go ahead and send it. Liontamer is taking a while, so I guess the time has come to try the top floor. Sending them to both is a good idea though. Now... I have nothing to say, really, other than "sorry for taking so long" and all that. But, I would like you to ask them how the wikification is going to be done. Can any of us be given wiki accounts to upload the bios? And, would it be nice to have them uploaded in time for them to be given as sort of a christmas present to the community? Or would djp rather wait until the next version of OCR (I heard him mention recently that a new one was "in the works")?

[Linearity]

And that's all of it.

Fixed.

Mention to djpretzel that we've strived to do professional work and that after a long wait and much passionate labor, we think that this project would be a fine addition to OCR. Or something like that, if, of course, you guys agree.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, though DJP approved of this from the start, he might have forgotten about it by now. Haha :)

[Polo]

Thanks for your help, guys. I have alerted both Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Oji to our completion, your words added alongside. Now we wait.

Also, I noticed something spooky about our forum ID numbers:

3191 = Dafydd
9791 = Linearity
10791 = watkinzez
11791 = Polo

Spoooooooooky.

[Dafydd]

Errr.... yah. :shock: I wonder what the odds for that are... I have x191 though, you guys have x791. A sign? What else is spooky is that users 2,3,4,and 6 don't exist... haha... and that Aetherius is user #13.

[Polo]

Oh yes, I forgot to mention... we can leave the Rival Schools Network link alone. No need to swap it. (Wikipedia even said that the Justice Network link is biased and not fit for their external links section [heh], so unless djp and LT bitch about the RSN link being down, we don't need to worry about it for now.)

[Liontamer]

Yeah, we'll see what to do about potential Wiki accounts, though I may end up adding everything. I'd rather 2 or 3 of y'all worked in tandem. Getting this moving is added onto my to-do list.

[Dafydd]

Working in tandem is fine by me. I just thought you had enough to do already.

[Linearity]

I'm game. Just tell me what to do.

Edit: And that User ID is actually very bizarre.:shock:

[Linearity]

Now we wait.
This is like waiting for Christmas when I was seven. I'm impatient and I'm being extra good so that Larry der Weihnachtsmann brings us accounts or whatever he is planning to finish the project. Here's hoping that it's done before Christmas!

[Dafydd]

"Weihnachtsmann"... hahaha :) Over here we call him the Yule gnome...

[Linearity]

I sent a PM to Liontamer asking when he expects to start implementing the bios in the web site. He hasn't responded in a few days. It is slightly bothersome, since we're so close to being done, but I suppose he has other business and maybe a real life to work on.

[Liontamer]

I sent a PM to Liontamer asking when he expects to start implementing the bios in the web site. He hasn't responded in a few days. It is slightly bothersome, since we're so close to being done, but I suppose he has other business and maybe a real life to work on.

Sit tight. I've been working on moving this forward.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, that's what I kept saying for months on end without actually doing anything, so I can't really blame LT for this thing taking so long. Personally, I want this up as soon as possible for the sake of the site, and for the fact that... well, we're finally done, and even so, no one can enjoy the fruits of our (though not so much mine, actually) hard labor until the bios are uploaded into the wiki. And it would make a sweet christmas present for the community. I think. How complicated would it be to set up a few restricted accounts for the wiki anyway? Is it a technical issue or an organizational issue? Or a security one?

[Liontamer]

Yeah, that's what I kept saying for months on end without actually doing anything, so I can't really blame LT for this thing taking so long. Personally, I want this up as soon as possible for the sake of the site, and for the fact that... well, we're finally done, and even so, no one can enjoy the fruits of our (though not so much mine, actually) hard labor until the bios are uploaded into the wiki. And it would make a sweet christmas present for the community. I think. How complicated would it be to set up a few restricted accounts for the wiki anyway? Is it a technical issue or an organizational issue? Or a security one?
The issues were figuring out whether we wanted to do this via Wiki or another database option, as well as both djp and I being free to work on this compared to everything else going on. Sorry for the wait.

Dave has added Dafydd, Linearity & Polo to the OCRWiki. You 3 are the ones most involved and whom I trust the most to input the bios. In the event that the email message didn't work to send you your passwords, I will PM all 3 of you with the info later.

I'll be overseeing all the work on the bios. For now, do not edit anything into the Wiki just yet, even the Totyota Supra bio :-). I want to give you guys guidelines tomorrow/Sunday on how to add everything, along with some other Wiki format and linking issues.

It also goes without saying that you guys are only to work on Mascots and not other areas of the Wiki, so at the risk of sounding like an asshole, y'all can't edit anywhere else under any circumstances.

Thanks so much for all the hard work to you guys and everyone who contributed. The addition of these bios really enhance OCR, and I can't wait until everything's included!

[Dafydd]

I got the e-mail. Nice to see the ball is finally almost rolling! Looking forward to those guidelines - it really would be nice to get this done before christmas. I understand your concerns about the other areas of the wiki - I'll stay out - promise. :wink:

Man, I'm really looking forward to wrapping this thing up... na'mean?

[Linearity]

My e-mail address was out of date when you sent the e-mail. It's fixed now, but I didn't get the wiki info. I'll wait for the PM.

Thanks for the update!

[Dafydd]

So, still no PM, go figure :wink: Is there no way to just restrict our accounts so that we can't access the whole wiki?

[Linearity]

I got mine, so I'm in. He might have figured that you had your info already through e-mail.

[Dafydd]

Think you could forward the info you got in your PM to me? I still haven't got one. I have an activated account at the wiki, but no guidelines or anything.

How are we going to do this anyway? Can someone who knows how to make wiki pages make one to use as a template (if anything needs to be changed from the ones we already have in .txt files), and then we split the work up so that we do 50 or so each to begin with and then whoever gets done with his share first can help the others with theirs if he wants to?

Also, and LT might have said something about this in his PM, but, are we going to make pages in the wiki named i.e. "mascot046" and then redirect thpse pages directly to their respective wiki article i.e. "Joanna_Dark" in order to facilitate things for DJP in his making the mascot images on the site header into links to the wiki articles?

[Polo]

split the work up
Not counting the Toyota Supra bio, there are 156 articles set to be Wiki'ed. 156 divided among 3 people is 52 bios per, so one person can handle everything in the first 5 text files plus Cloud Strife in my text file, another can do Sol Badguy through Ken Masters, and the last one can take what's left. If you guys have no objections, I can write in the last 52 (Akuma - LocoRoco) plus the fixes for the Toyota Supra (when LT gives the green light of course).

Also, I'd recommend keeping the links to the other mascots as bold text until every article is written, so we won't have to worry about who Wiki'ed what and whether said links will break or not. We can also ask Larry how to align the .jpgs on the right of the pages at that point.

whoever gets done with his share first
I'd rather 2 or 3 of y'all worked in tandem.
I'm guessing simultaneous work - even if we're inputting different articles - is out of the question. Does it screw up the system or something?

[Linearity]

First, all that was in my PM was my wiki password. I meant that I had not gotten the password otherwise but that now I can get into the wiki. That means that I am still waiting, just as you are, for Liontamer to tell us how he wants the wiki editing done.

Second, I see no reason why we couldn't all work at the same time. If the software is like MediaWiki on Wikipedia, then we can work simultaneously. If this isn't possible, the software is overly restrictive.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, it's not like only one wikipedia article can be edited at a time. :lol:

I'll do the text file ones, then, once we get started. And sorry for misunderstanding you earlier, Lin - but he said he would send the guidelines in a PM...

EDIT: Now that I think about it, I never actually got a password for my wiki account...

[Linearity]

Aren't they all in text files? I thought we'd each copy and paste about fifty bios from the most recent text files.

[Dafydd]

Oh. Ok, um, I meant I'd do the fifty that were in the batches of 10 that I (and, recently, you) have been doing over these last few months. I think the other 100 are in text files that Polo's been doing himself. So if you take half of those...

[Polo]

I never actually got a password for my wiki account...
If LT didn't tell you, try this:

1) Type your username when it asks you to log in / create a Wiki account, but leave the password line blank.
2) Click the "E-mail password" button.
3) You'll get a confirmation message that your password - a temporary one - has been emailed to you. Go fetch.
4) Log into the Wiki using your username and given password. You should be directed to a "Change password" page.
5) Type the password you want twice, click to proceed, and you should be logged in.

I see no reason why we couldn't all work at the same time. If the software is like MediaWiki on Wikipedia, then we can work simultaneously. If this isn't possible, the software is overly restrictive.
I must've misunderstood Larry's "in tandem" remark then. *shrug*

Just to clarify the bio count, there's 51 bios across the 5 .txt files you guys are hosting:

http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_1-10.txt
http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_11-20.txt
http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_21-30.txt
http://www.ngst.nu/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_31-40.txt
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edastuart/OCR_Mascot_Bios_41-50.txt

And mine has 105 articles (counting The Coop's extended Darkstalker histories and Darkstalkers "What Is"):

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/polo83/OCR_Mascot_Bio_Edits_51-154.txt

Lin and I can just reach into my text file and grab 52 articles each, and Dafydd can add Cloud to his list (alongside the 51 in the first 5 batches).

[Dafydd]

Sounds good to me.

[Linearity]

rgr that 10char. :)

[Liontamer]

I will take care of instructions tonight, guaranteed. I'm free until Sunday night, so I'll be able to give this my full attention so that you guys are set. I'd shoot for New Year's if you really want a deadline, but there's really no rush of any kind, IMO.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, I don't think we'll make it in time for Christmas anymore... heheh. But new years, no problem.

[Liontamer]

Ok, so here's the basic layout, now that I've finally done the edits on Toyota Supra.

To create a new article, type in the name of the article you want to create into the Go/Search box. It should tell you the page doesn't exist and ask if you want to create it. Details are critical, so make sure spelling and () usage is correct.

vBulletin format does not work on MediaWiki. For most things, you can use replace commands for easy fixes, but URL stuff will be more cumbersome. Please note the various text formatting methods:

==Header==
===Sub-Header===
<br/> (single line breaks; not needed if you press Return twice to space out separate lines)
''Italicized text''
'''Bold text'''
'''''Bold Italicized text'''''
<u>Underlined text</u> (almost no reason to use this, so please run any underlined text usage by me)
[http://www.randomURL.com Displayed link name]

Article: '''Paul Watkins ([http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=10791 watkinzez])''' <br/>
Pictured from: ''Need for Speed: Underground'' <br/>
Created by: [http://www.toyota.com/ Toyota] <br/>
First appearance: 1979 (non-game) <br/>

== Bio ==

The Supra line of cars extends over 20 years of history and four iterations of Toyota's model. Unveiled in 1979, the Supra was designed as a spin-off sports car, inspired from the company's Celica line. It wasn’t until 1986 that the Supra was officially recognized as its own model, though to this day influences from its origins still stand. Supra is a Latin derivation that means to "stand above, over, to be greater than."

Four models of the car were made over the 20 years after its inception, ranging from Mark I to IV. The first, made with intent to compete with the popular Datsune, was not far off the Celica liftback. The second iteration redesigned the front of the car and adjusted its length, allowing for a larger engine. It was the Mark III which separated the Supra into its own line of car, keeping its rear wheel drive and adding a more powerful engine than its 2.8 and 3.0L predecessors. Over the latter years of the '80s, the Supra received new tail lights, a front bumper, badging and side trim amongst other features.

The Mark IV, featured in ''Need for Speed: Underground'' as shown above, took a big leap for the Supra’s direction as a major sports car. The 1993 release featured two new engines, the turbocharged variant able to reach 60mph from rest in 4.6 seconds over a quarter of a mile. The IV's twin turbos operated in sequential mode rather than the standard parallel mode, acting as a gear to increase speed with reduced lag. This resulted in boost and enhanced torque as much as 1800rpm. Toyota also took extra measures to reduce weight of the car, using hollow carpet fibers and aluminum for the hood. It was in 2002 that the company stopped production in Japan altogether, citing a decline in sales. Only recently there have been hints of a revival, targeting different directions in the car.

== Selected game appearances ==

=== PlayStation ===
*[http://www.ocremix.org/game/gran-turismo-ps1/ ''Gran Turismo''] (1998)
*''Gran Turismo 2'' (1999)

=== PlayStation 2 ===
*''Gran Turismo 3'' (2001)
*''Need for Speed: Underground'' (2003)
*''Gran Turismo 4'' (2005)

== References ==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Supra Wikipedia - "Toyota Supra"]
*[http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/vehicles/supra.html Toyota.com - Vehicles: Supra]
*[http://www.toyota-supra.info/models/ Toyota Supra History]

[[Category:Mascots]]
__NOTOC__

1. I will run this by djpretzel, but, for now, decide among yourselves how the article writers are to be named. For example, there can be:
Liontamer
Larry Oji
Larry "Liontamer" Oji
Larry Oji (Liontamer)
I'd probably recommend the last one. And yes, we'd have to eventually track down everyone's real name. I could certainly help with that if any problems came up there.

2. Do not include any image links to the mascot pictures in the article. Hold onto the info in the TXT files, but don't use the images for now. They'd have to be uploaded into the Wiki; there's no need to do that or it would just add another picture to be loaded alongside the randomized mascot. I'll holler at djp re: figuring out a way to display the selected mascot in the usual location at the top right. I'll let you know if plans change on that.

3. There is no linking to scans of copyrighted material, particularly game manual scans. Any linked references to manuals, unlink them.

4. Please make sure [[Category:Mascots]] and __NOTOC__ are at the very bottom of every article page (but not the redirects).

5. Every mascot will also need a redirect page from their assigned mascot number. For the Supra, I made the page OCR Mascot 121. Everything will use this naming schema, including three digits for the number (e.g. OCR Mascot 001).

The text for the redirect to the Supra article from the OCR Mascot 121 article is:
#REDIRECT [[Toyota Supra]]

So just remember to use #REDIRECT [[Official name of article]].

6. Don't edit anything else other than Mascots. Punishable by death.

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For the quickest way to reach me when I'm around, I recommend logging into IRC at the EnterTheGame network and sending me a private message.

I will be checking in on progress and making edits as needed. I may even add some myself depending on what's available. Let me know if there are any problems at all; I'm available all weekend including all day today/Friday. Enjoy and thank you!

[Polo]

Comprehensive and much obliged, Super Moderator sir. And thanks for driving the Toyota Supra through the carwash :P. I just have a few questions...

1) On the Toyota bio page, the Article - First appearance lines are all in one line; is this intentional?
2) Does text within a pair of 'single quotes' remain unaffected?
3) How do we input underlined text?
4) Would you count FAQs as copyrighted material (and should they be unlinked)?

There are 16 writers total who have written at least one bio. Half of them I do not know their real names (OmegaMe (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=12201), Psychotic Ninja (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=13806), Daethar (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=2985), The Instrument of GAWD (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=3314), Bummerdude (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=13800), chez dogulov (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=9595), Kal aMari (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=13947), and Miletus (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/member.php?u=12257)), so if my colleagues agree on the 4th Article / author option, we (or at least I) could use help digging up the dirt on these folks. (But personally I don't see the harm in the first option.)

To Dafydd and Linearity: Since we're removing game manual links (*sob*), do you think we should cut the "replacementdocs - " prefix from the labels as well?

I'll get started after I get some sleep.

[watkinzez]

chez dogulov is Ben Cherian. Others, I can't help there.

[The Coop]

Since it's been brought up, I wish to only have my screen name listed. Thanks.

[Liontamer]

Comprehensive and much obliged, Super Moderator sir. And thanks for driving the Toyota Supra through the carwash :P. I just have a few questions...

1) On the Toyota bio page, the Article - First appearance lines are all in one line; is this intentional?
2) Does text within a pair of 'single quotes' remain unaffected?
3) How do we input underlined text?
4) Would you count FAQs as copyrighted material (and should they be unlinked)?
1) yes; use <br> for line breaks
2) yes
3) <u></u>, though I don't see any reason to use it offhand
4) linking those is fine

[Dafydd]

3) How do we input underlined text?
Where do we use it? Links are automatically colored, not underlined, in wiki articles. What else do we want underlines for? I honestly don't remember...
To Dafydd and Linearity: Since we're removing game manual links (*sob*), do you think we should cut the "replacementdocs - " prefix from the labels as well?Yeah, I think so. If we can't link to the website, no need to mention it. We still keep the manuals as sources, of course (but without links).

EDIT: Ok, made one, http://www.ocremix.org/info/OCR_Mascot_071. Can the "contents" section be removed? It feels like a waste of vertical space for so short an article.

Oh, and thanks for finally letting us get started on this!

[Liontamer]

Yeah, I think so. If we can't link to the website, no need to mention it. We still keep the manuals as sources, of course (but without links).

Yeah, obviously don't use ReplacementsDocs in the title listing. I would just say to keep in mind a consistent, accurate way of naming the instruction manuals. If scans are available, take a look at what they say. Not that I'm looking, but if an NES manual usually say "[Game Title] Official Instruction Manual" or whatever, then you have a good naming schema for referenced manuals of NES games.

EDIT: Ok, made one, http://www.ocremix.org/info/OCR_Mascot_071. Can the "contents" section be removed? It feels like a waste of vertical space for so short an article.

Just add __NOTOC__ to the very bottom of every article and that will remove the automatically generated Table of Contents.

[Dafydd]

Ok, thanks.

[Linearity]

3. There is no linking to scans of copyrighted material, particularly game manual scans. Any linked references to manuals, unlink them.

I am disappointed that this is the first we have heard about this. We all worked very hard finding and reading through those manuals, inserting and double-checking the links to them, and replacing the links and checking them when GameManuals.net went down in favor of replacementdocs. The time to tell us that we shouldn't bother with it was before we did all of this work, not now, when everything is done and polished.

I don't think that we should refer to the manuals as sources if we don't want to link to them. If we deny that we have access to the manuals, what's the point of referring someone to them who likely has no access either? The only purpose would be to hint at replacementdocs without actually mentioning it.

[Linearity]

As for splitting up the work, should we do as Polo said?

Lin and I can just reach into my text file and grab 52 articles each, and Dafydd can add Cloud to his list (alongside the 51 in the first 5 batches).

Before you do too much work hand-fixing URLs, I think I might have a method of doing it automatically. Larry told me that using the command Ctrl+H, you can have Notepad replace one string of text in a file with another string. For example, you can replace "[b]" with the " character to make all of the bold text show up as bold in MediaWiki.

I'll figure it out tomorrow, but we might be able to do URLs automatically too, if we do these automatic replacements in the right order.

[The Coop]

I am disappointed that this is the first we have heard about this. We all worked very hard finding and reading through those manuals, inserting and double-checking the links to them, and replacing the links and checking them when GameManuals.net went down in favor of replacementdocs. The time to tell us that we shouldn't bother with it was before we did all of this work, not now, when everything is done and polished.

I don't think that we should refer to the manuals as sources if we don't want to link to them. If we deny that we have access to the manuals, what's the point of referring someone to them who likely has no access either? The only purpose would be to hint at replacementdocs without actually mentioning it.

Well, since linking to ROMs, free mp3s of music that's being actively sold, and stuff like that is forbidden on OCR, I'm not sure why you thought linking to copyrighted text and images from a printed book would be fine, Linearity. It may be a different medium, but it is a visual scanning of material that belongs to a company. To the best of my knowledge, those sites didn't get permission to scan those manuals, so I can understand why linking to it's a no-no.

To be honest, I'm not even sure why we had to link to them when writing the bios. I was under the assumption that all they were there for was just backing up bio info so we could prove we weren't simply pulling it out of our ass :lol:

[Liontamer]

Well, since linking to ROMs, free mp3s of music that's being actively sold, and stuff like that is forbidden on OCR, I'm not sure why you thought linking to copyrighted text and images from a printed book would be fine, Lin. It may be a different medium, but it is a visual scanning of material that belongs to a company. To the best of my knowledge, those sites didn't get permission to scan those manuals, so I can understand why linking to it's a no-no.

To be honest, I'm not even sure why we had to link to them when writing the bios. I was under the assumption that all they were there for was just backing up bio info so we could prove we weren't simply pulling it out of our ass :lol:

Like Coop mentioned, we don't allow ROM and commercial soundtrack MP3 linking, and there's no reason we'd allow direct linking to manual scans that are also pretty clear copyright violation. That's not to say we don't love ReplacementDocs; I know I do, and it's helped me a great deal for me in filling out the Songs database when official soundtracks weren't released.

Even though this was something I didn't anticipate, I'll go ahead and take full blame for not addressing this sooner. Only when djp looked at the finished bios and saw the linking did he immediately go "wait, we can't link to those". So that's my fault as the go-between in not having that issue come to mind first. All I can say is sorry for having you feel like you wasted your time, but if you want to appeal to djpretzel (we DO host chiptunes, keep in mind) about linking to manuals as being educational and why that wouldn't be legally dicey for OCR or something to that effect, send me a PM laying out your issues.

The implication that we don't want to reference manuals as sources though, I'm not sure where that came from, but it doesn't extend to that.

[The Coop]

That's not to say we don't love ReplacementDocs; I know I do

Don't we all? That place has been a remarkable help in the used game world.

[Dafydd]

I agree it's a shame we didn't know this sooner - looking up all those url's took a bit of time. I realize why we have to remove them though. What I don't understand is why chiptunes seem to be excluded from this "copyrighted material" rule. They are part of commercial ROM's, after all. So are the forum avatars... and I'd think the mascot images are, too. And I've seen moderators on this site remove links to galbadia hotel, who host game soundtracks as mp3's. Why are chiptunes allowed? Is there a legal reason?

And yes, replacing the vB code with wiki code automatically should be easy enough. It was a pain to do manually, haha.

[Polo]

I've seen moderators on this site remove links to galbadia hotel
They didn't catch this one (http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=110277&postcount=369). ;-)

I don't think that we should refer to the manuals as sources if we don't want to link to them. If we deny that we have access to the manuals, what's the point of referring someone to them who likely has no access either?
Some of them weren't linked to begin with. Neither were magazine references in some of The Coop's and watkinzez's bios. That doesn't make them any less valid.

Larry told me that using the command Ctrl+H, you can have Notepad replace one string of text in a file with another string. For example, you can replace "[b]" with the " character to make all of the bold text show up as bold in MediaWiki.
I've been doing that already, thanks. :) Watch the punctuation, though; the Wiki requires three single quotation marks ''' to make text bold.

Also, Linearity, are you okay with taking Sol Badguy through Ken Masters? If you'd rather have my targeted share (Akuma through LocoRoco) or a different selection of bios in my .txt file, let me know. I didn't create any articles just yet.



Thanks to Larry's coaching tactics via IRC, I've been able to clear up some cloudy issues (he answered more, but they were personal concerns):

1) I thought underlining was reserved for books and magazine names, but apparently italics is better / used more dominantly. So we'll go with that. Helps them blend in with game / movie titles and series.
2) The Article line shall be in Bold to better credit the author (and LT says it looks "swankier" :P).
3) Marvel Comics mascots now have (non-game) in their first appearance line like the Toyota Supra (and Dracula's (video games) detail was removed because he's not the same as the historical incarnation).

[The Coop]

I agree it's a shame we didn't know this sooner - looking up all those url's took a bit of time. I realize why we have to remove them though. What I don't understand is why chiptunes seem to be excluded from this "copyrighted material" rule. They are part of commercial ROM's, after all. So are the forum avatars... and I'd think the mascot images are, too. And I've seen moderators on this site remove links to galbadia hotel, who host game soundtracks as mp3's. Why are chiptunes allowed? Is there a legal reason?

To the best of my knowledge, those aren't seen as being part of any ROMs, but rather, simply part of a screenshot. And as we all know, screenshots are everywhere on the web, and in magazines. You can host all the screenshots you want on your website, as there's nothing actually playable being given away. It's just an picture of a moment from the game, which game companies have yet to be against. So having those bits of screenshots (or wallpapers) here doesn't seen to violate anything.

Chiptunes are a bit fuzzier, but again, no ROMs are being given away, and no commercial CDs have been ripped from. It's just the music as it originally was. I don't believe any companies have had issue with sites hosting the musical data in its various formats (VGM, SPC, GSF, etc) for free, only mp3 rips of commercially sold game music CDs (be they the original sounding music recorded as mp3s, or remixed music).


I could be very wrong on this, and if I am, hopefully someone will correct me.

[Linearity]

Thank you, Larry. I appreciate what you said.

I'll defer to Dave about whether or not we should link to replacementdocs. Whether or not we have linked references to manuals isn't that important to me, and I agree that it's safer not to link to them.

Here is my reasoning for omitting the references altogether. A reference to a source is meant to give credence to what we have written. Since Dave wants to officially distance OCR from replacementdocs, it is counterproductive and disingenuous to officially claim credence from it even if we pretend that we actually own the manuals.

We could keep the references; it's plausible that we somehow have legitimate access to all of those manuals. But it's bullshit, and I don't feel like bullshitting our readers.

Polo, I'll take Sol Badguy through Ken Masters in your file.

[The Coop]

Why not just make a general statement on the introduction page of the wiki? Tell the readers the different types of sources that were used to gather the information for the bios, and how carefully each bio was combed over to make sure the facts were as accurate as possible, and then simply remove any links/references to those sites/manuals/gamebooks from the end section of the individual bio pages.

Just a thought.

[Linearity]

Some notes about editing:

I automatically replaced bbcode bold tags with the ''' tag. Similarly I automatically replaced italics tags with the '' tag. After that I auto-replaced
"[URL=" with "[".

After this, the only instances of the "]" character were in the middle and at the end of a link, as in
[http://www.ocremix.org]OC ReMix as well as in notes about duplicate bios, as in
[#47]
Because of this, I changed the latter brackets to parentheses, and I auto-replaced "]" with " ". Finally, I replaced "[/url" with "]".

I think that takes care of most of the replacement without too much manual work.

Also, if we want bold text to be linked to other wiki articles, we have to use the bold tags outside of the "[[" and "]]" tags that MediaWiki uses to link articles together. So, it should be
'''[[Jedah]]'''

[Liontamer]

Here is my reasoning for omitting the references altogether. A reference to a source is meant to give credence to what we have written. Since Dave wants to officially distance OCR from replacementdocs, it is counterproductive and disingenuous to officially claim credence from it even if we pretend that we actually own the manuals.

We could keep the references; it's plausible that we somehow have legitimate access to all of those manuals. But it's bullshit, and I don't feel like bullshitting our readers.

I don't really see it as disingenuous or bullshit. The web is a big information resource; it's not a stretch that this information would be available somewhere, not even limited to replacementdocs, but other places like Atari HQ.

I think it would be much more disingenuous to cite information provided by the manuals while outright not crediting the manuals. I don't see what's to be gained on that level. I consider replacementsdocs and Atari HQ secondary sources anyway. They just compile the information, but they didn't write it or create it, which is why I don't see any issue with not crediting them directly.

[Dafydd]

It's just the music as it originally was.

But ROMS are just the games as they originally were. How's that any different? You can't make a chiptune without ripping it from the original cartridge or from a rom, which are also ripped from original cartridges. I don't really see how it's any different. The same goes for screenshots and avatars ripped from screenshots - very few of the screenshots you see are likely taken directly from a legal cartridge playing on a real console. I'm fine with an explanation like "the people who made the games are not ok with distributing roms, but they don't mind chiptunes". I mean, a rom without the game music probably still counts as a rom, and probably illegal, but the game music without the graphics and gameplay isn't? I just don't see how there's any difference, legally.

[The Coop]

But ROMS are just the games as they originally were. How's that any different? You can't make a chiptune without ripping it from the original cartridge or from a rom, which are also ripped from original cartridges. I don't really see how it's any different. The same goes for screenshots and avatars ripped from screenshots - very few of the screenshots you see are likely taken directly from a legal cartridge playing on a real console. I'm fine with an explanation like "the people who made the games are not ok with distributing roms, but they don't mind chiptunes". I mean, a rom without the game music probably still counts as a rom, and probably illegal, but the game music without the graphics and gameplay isn't? I just don't see how there's any difference, legally.

Don't take this as my jumping down your throat Dafydd, as it's not intended that way...


Let me ask you a question... do you believe that every gaming magazine and website since the gaming press came to be, has been doing something on the same illegality level as offering game ROMs? The gaming industry doesn't charge us for screenshots, they charge us for full (or at times, partial) games. They generally seem to give out screenshots for free, so why would it be illegal for us to do the same in some form?

My taking screen grabs from Ghostbusters and putting them on my website, is not the same thing as my hosting a VOB file of the entire movie. If it was, then every movie (and gaming) site/magazine out there would be shut down or sued out of business. If the movie and gaming industry don't view these two things in the same light, I really don't know why you do. One simply isn't the other.


And as I've come to understand it, the game music you can find on sites like project2612.org (great site for Genesis tunes) isn't ROM data, but rather, it's a format made by a user to specifically record a given system's music. It's not the original ROM data from the cartridge you're playing, but a virtual cassette tape if you will... much like what we used to do as kids when we recorded the game music off of our TVs. Yes you need to have the illegal ROM to make those recordings in various emulators, but the recordings themselves haven't been questioned after all these years to the best of my knowledge. I haven't heard of anyone who's gotten a C&D order because they had VGM or SPC soundtrack files hosted on their site. I imagine they fall into the same area as remixes... as long as there's no profit being made, and no gaming ROMs are being offered, the game companies don't pay it much mind :-)

[Linearity]

The editing process I mentioned leaves a large number of instances of the string "] " and I simply replaced all of them with "] ". They come at the end of URLs.

Edit: I prefer using pseudonyms in the wiki articles without mention of authors' real names. They would all link to forum profiles, which immediately display the author's real name if they choose to reveal it. This would address The Coop's preference and the issue of the mystery authors at once, and afford all the authors easy privacy control in the future.

Also, I think the "Article: author name" style is ambiguous. I think that "Article by:" or "Article author:" or "Article written by:" would be more specific and would look better.

[Polo]

I prefer using pseudonyms in the wiki articles without mention of authors' real names. They would all link to forum profiles, which immediately display the author's real name if they choose to reveal it. This would address The Coop's preference and the issue of the mystery authors at once, and afford all the authors easy privacy control in the future.
Well, Dafydd and watkinzez show their real names in their profiles and their posts, so adding them before their forum handles feels natural. But I agree that anyone who doesn't wear their full name on their sleeves doesn't need to be pushed for that info.

I think the "Article: author name" style is ambiguous. I think that "Article by:" or "Article author:" or "Article written by:" would be more specific and would look better.
Heh, ironic, considering I said something similar to Larry on IRC...

<Polo> Article: by Paul Watkins (also known as watkinzez on the boards). A+
<Larry> you wanna change the wording?
<Polo> No, I was just reading it a different way. Same message sent across.
<Larry> yeah, very bueno
After a little more thought, I wouldn't mind adding the word "by" to clear potential confusion.

Don't wanna miss a thing :-P
I KNEW I shouldn't have pointed that one out... :lol:

[Linearity]

The disadvantages to my idea of using linked handles without real names are:

1. that the real name, if posted, is one click away instead of immediately available, and
2. that publishing a real name for authorship requires publishing a real name in every one of your forum posts, since your name is integrated into your forum profile.

I just became aware of this second issue, which I think is a serious problem. We shouldn't use my idea for the style, because some writers may want their real names posted only in the wiki as writer credits and not all over the forums.

In light of that, I suggest that we use the style of the album page (http://www.ocremix.org/albums/), and credit writers as:

"Article by: writer's real name (writer's handle)"

[The Coop]

Yeah yeah, I'm about to make another pesky suggestion :-P


I don't know exactly how many total writers there were for this project, but why not just send them a PM and ask them how they want to be credited? Let them know they have a choice, with either real name (screen name), or just screen name. If they respond, then go with what they chose. If they don't respond within a set time period (a couple days to maybe a week?), then only use their screen name just to be safe.

You guys know I only want my screen name on there, so that takes care of one writer already :-)

[Polo]

why not just send them a PM and ask them how they want to be credited? Let them know they have a choice, with either real name (screen name), or just screen name. If they respond, then go with what they chose. If they don't respond within a set time period (a couple days to maybe a week?), then only use their screen name just to be safe.
Done. I gave the unknowns (except chez dogulov) 31 days to respond because some of them haven't logged on in quite a while. But if some regularly check their email, and opted to receive a PM notice, then that should help a bit.

[Polo]

'''[[Jedah]]'''
Keep in mind that the article title will use the savior's full name - an article only called "Jedah" won't exist. Similarly, Hsien-Ko's long and short bios link to the Darkstalkers article through the singular form of the word (Darkstalker). So if any inter-bio link doesn't present the full / exact article name as its key, link it like this:
'''[http://www.ocremix.org/info/Jedah_Dohma Jedah]'''
'''[http://www.ocremix.org/info/Darkstalkers Darkstalker]'''
Just a heads-up.

[Linearity]

The wiki makes it easy to link between pages. I would rather just change the bio to say "Jedah Dohma" in the first mention, which is the only place we link to another wiki page, and leave the rest of them as "Jedah." It requires less work to fix, I think.

[Linearity]

Thank you for the heads-up about Darkstalkers. I moved the "s" outside of the [[ ]] tags but kept it within the ''' ''' tags. The "s" stays orange, but the link points to "Darkstalker," which is fortuitous.

EDIT: Nevermind, I was completely wrong. I guess I will undo my edits and just insert absolute links for the singular "Darkstalker" links.

Is the title of the Ganondorf article "Ganondorf" or "Ganondorf Dragmire"? I'll leave the link as "Ganondorf" for now.

[The Coop]

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

Whoops. Wrong game.

[Linearity]

Nice. ;)

I'm replacing all writer credits with "Article by:" instead of "Article:".

[Polo]

The wiki makes it easy to link between pages. I would rather just change the bio to say "Jedah Dohma" in the first mention, which is the only place we link to another wiki page, and leave the rest of them as "Jedah." It requires less work to fix, I think.
"Jedah Dohma, the Dark Messiah"; "...the Dark Messiah Jedah Dohma..." yeah, I guess either works when read in full. And at first I felt it odd to repeat the succubi's last name twice (in the Darkstalkers overview), but now it's not too bad ("Morrigan Aenslaed and Lilith Aenslaed").

Is the title of the Ganondorf article "Ganondorf" or "Ganondorf Dragmire"? I'll leave the link as "Ganondorf" for now.
Yeah, apparently "Dragmire" is a mistranslation that appears only in the Zelda 3 instruction manual. Naming the article "Ganondorf" is good.

I'm replacing all writer credits with "Article by:" instead of "Article:".
Excellent. I made that adjustment for the Doom Trooper and Toyota Supra so we're all on the same page.

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

Whoops. Wrong game.
That would've been more fitting and hilarious if you spread it across two posts. ;-)



--- EDIT ---
My screen name will do just fine, thank you.

And this credit is almost unnecessary, I only made one bio. :<
That's another down.

[Dafydd]

Hey guys

I expected to have more time around christmas, but it appears I actually have less... I got a temporary job which will be over in about a week. Just so you guys know. I will probably not be able to upload my share of bios in time for the new year. I'll try to catch up with what's going on in this thread tonight, unless I work late (my boss keeps making me work overtime...). Great to see this thing is still moving, thanks to you!

[Linearity]

Didn't Polo mention giving everyone a month to respond to the inquiry about real names? I figured that the final project release would be on hold until then.

How do we know what chez dogulov's wishes are? He has posted only three times on the forums and there isn't a real name on his profile. If we're not asking him how he would like to be credited, we should preserve his privacy and credit him only as chez dogulov.

Edit: Another issue: the title of the article about the main character of Mega Man X is currently "Mega Man X." However, I played the hell out of that game as a kid, and I remember that the character was referred to exclusively as "X." While in later games he may have been occasionally called "Mega Man X," I am sure that he is predominantly called just "X" throughout the series. Dafydd's "Mega Man X (full armor)" bio also refers to the character only as "X," but as it stands, it will require an absolute URL instead of a wiki link, because I need to link to an article called "Mega Man X." I suggest that we call that article simply "X" for consistency.

[Polo]

Didn't Polo mention giving everyone a month to respond to the inquiry about real names? I figured that the final project release would be on hold until then.
I didn't mean it that way. I thought even if we uploaded every bio to the Wiki by New Year's (seems more unlikely now with Dafydd's job...), some of the writers will say yes, they want to be credited full name first, provided they remember us, this thread, and their work which has been spruced up for OCR's database. My gut has doubts though; most of their work is in this thread's ancient history, before we regulars steered ship most of the way. And the full name / forum handle credit is recent, c/o LT. So it's a gamble.

The bottom line though is this'll be out when we're done uploading and cross-checking what we have in our hands NOW.

How do we know what chez dogulov's wishes are? He has posted only three times on the forums and there isn't a real name on his profile. If we're not asking him how he would like to be credited, we should preserve his privacy and credit him only as chez dogulov.
watkinzez gave us his real name, but didn't explicitly say whether he gives us permission to show it in Magus's bio, so unless we're told otherwise, we can safely leave it as chez dogulov.

And for the record, credit me as Polo. I'm not disclosing my full name.

Another issue: the title of the article about the main character of Mega Man X is currently "Mega Man X." However, I played the hell out of that game as a kid, and I remember that the character was referred to exclusively as "X." While in later games he may have been occasionally called "Mega Man X," I am sure that he is predominantly called just "X" throughout the series.

The instructions refer to him only as X, too. So in that case, sure, we can name the bios "X" and "X (full armor)" respectively. One thing though, in X's bio:

X may also find capsules left by the late Dr. Light that, piece by piece, upgrade his systems into full armor.

Ending that sentence with '''[[full armor]]''' doesn't cut it, since "full armor" isn't an article name. Linking to that article will require an absolute url, maybe:

[http://www.ocremix.org/info/X_(full_armor) '''full armor''']



Also, I'm sure you noticed the new Guilty Gear X mix posted, so be sure to upgrade Sol Badguy's GGX appearance like this (if you haven't already):

=== Dreamcast ===
*[http://www.ocremix.org/game/guilty-gear-x-dc/ ''Guilty Gear X''] (2000)

[Polo]

Okay, so I looked in the Mascots category to find X's full armor bio uploaded (http://www.ocremix.org/info/Mega_Man_X_%28full_armor%29). Its name is "Mega Man X (full armor)" instead of "X (full armor)." So either the original bio should be titled "Mega Man X" to match, or we should ask Larry to delete / change the name of the article to match the game + instructions' opinions.

Should there be an italicized notice about the main / related article called "Mega Man X" (like in the Mario (kart) bio or the Samus bios)? It could be something like:

''For more information, consult the '''[[Mega Man X]]''' bio.''

Also, is it "Selected Game Appearances" or "Selected game appearances"? I've been doing the latter because the Toyota Supra has it that way.

[Linearity]

Okay, so I looked in the Mascots category to find X's full armor bio uploaded (http://www.ocremix.org/info/Mega_Man_X_%28full_armor%29). Its name is "Mega Man X (full armor)" instead of "X (full armor)." So either the original bio should be titled "Mega Man X" to match, or we should ask Larry to delete / change the name of the article to match the game + instructions' opinions.
That was me. I moved the article to "X (full armor)" now that I have your support in doing so. We should avoid creating pages that we don't plan to keep; I can't manage to return the "Mega Man X (full armor)" to its original state, rather only to a blank page. I apologize for that.

Therefore, whoever is responsible for the X bio should post it as "X" not as "Mega Man X."

[Linearity]

The bottom line though is this'll be out when we're done uploading and cross-checking what we have in our hands NOW.

Okay. We'll finishing marking up and uploading what we have right now, and we will change the credits later. The people who haven't forwarded their wishes only wrote a few bios in total, so it won't be to much work to change them one by one.

I think you all saw me credit myself as Alex Stuart (Linearity), but I'll make it clear now that I want to be credited that way in all of my articles.

Also, I'm sure you noticed the new Guilty Gear X mix posted, so be sure to upgrade Sol Badguy's GGX appearance like this (if you haven't already):

=== Dreamcast ===
*[http://www.ocremix.org/game/guilty-gear-x-dc/ ''Guilty Gear X''] (2000)

Fixed.

Should there be an italicized notice about the main / related article called "Mega Man X" (like in the Mario (kart) bio or the Samus bios)? It could be something like:

''For more information, consult the '''[[Mega Man X]]''' bio.''

Not a bad idea. I linked the first mention of "X," but that's only one letter and is harder to see than other first mention links. I'll put a clearer link in like the one you have there. On that note, all of the Darkstalkers bios link to extended bios. Should I similarly link the extended bios back to the short bios? I thought not, because the extended bios already say what the short bios say, right?

Also, is it "Selected Game Appearances" or "Selected game appearances"? I've been doing the latter because the Toyota Supra has it that way.

You're right. I will fix that straight away.

[Polo]

I can't manage to return the "Mega Man X (full armor)" to its original state, rather only to a blank page.
No prob. I redirected "Mega Man X (full armor)" and "OCR Mascot 030" to "X (full armor)" for you.

Therefore, whoever is responsible for the X bio should post it as "X" not as "Mega Man X."
You hear that, Dafydd? X marks the spot.

all of the Darkstalkers bios link to extended bios. Should I similarly link the extended bios back to the short bios? I thought not, because the extended bios already say what the short bios say, right?
Right. The reader will come to a spoiler-free intro first, and if they choose to learn the rest of the selected Darkstalker's history, they can advance by one more click. Kind of like a one-way toll bridge.

And thanks for the tip on "Selected game appearances". Looks more casually uniform across the articles. 8)

[Dafydd]

Ok, I've uploaded about 12 bios now. It really is pretty easy and quick once you've made the auto-replacements. I have a pretty unreliable connection right now though. Once I've uploaded all my bios, I'll start editing them so that the bolded names of other mascots are turned into links to their articles instead. Should these link to the actual bio page or the redirection page though? I don't know what Larry had in mind when he said he would tell DJP to make the mascot on top of the page display the one related to the bio you're currently reading... it would certainly make things easier for DJP to do that if all redirects to other bios were to their redirection pages.

[Dafydd]

Double post for the sake of demonstration: I'm now done with my first 30 bios. I still don't know how to do the linking to other characters, but I guess the best thing is to just go with the redirection pages. It couldn't hurt.

[Liontamer]

Indeed, using the redirection pages to link to other characters is how we should do it.

[DarkeSword]

Just wanted to pop in and say you guys are doing a nice job. These look great. This project has come a long way since Dafydd originally suggested it to me.

ROCK ON GENTLEMEN

[Linearity]

So instead of the wiki links like "[[Jedah Dohma]]" we should use "[http://www.ocremix.org/info/OCR_Mascot_xxx Jedah Dohma]"?

[Dafydd]

... yeah. I think so. I know it's more work for us, but so what. Our next deadline is valentine's day. :wink:

Thanks for confirming, LT.

[Linearity]

Who needs a box of chocolates when you can give your sweetie a box of video game character biographies?

[Dafydd]

Exactly. No, I just set that deadline because it's a date you remember and it's a reasonably short/long time away. It would be cool if people actually died if they failed to keep to deadlines... Yeah, I'd be dead, too.

[Liontamer]

So instead of the wiki links like "[[Jedah Dohma]]" we should use "[http://www.ocremix.org/info/OCR_Mascot_xxx Jedah Dohma]"?

You can use [[OCR Mascot xxx|Character Name]]

[Dafydd]

I knew there had to be an easier way to do that. Thanks, Larry.

[Linearity]

Yeah, thank you, Larry.

There is a potential problem: the Darkstalkers overview and the extended Darkstalkers bios have no page that redirects to them, so I can't link to their redirect pages. Which picture should be associated with the former, if any? And how will we get the picture to appear for the extended bios if we don't use redirect pages?

EDIT: Once we get that question cleared up, I think I have all of my markup done, and I can post all 50-some of my bios.

[Dafydd]

Very good questions. I hadn't thought of those issues, and I guess Larry will have to answer those questions.

[The Coop]

I'm not familiar with how the wiki coding works, but couldn't you just put a URL link at the end of a short bio that goes to its long one, and then a similar link at the end of that long one that goes back to its short one? The short bios are the main pages if my understanding is correct, so it seems logical that the only way to reach the 7 extended bios is to link to them only from their short ones.



...

Is that paragraph as confusing to read as it was to write?

[Dafydd]

No, I get what you're saying, but the problem isn't where to put the links, but what to link to. What should we name the extended articles? If we consider the standard way of linking to other mascots is to link to their redirection pages (i.e. don't link to Chrono, link to Mascot001), then what should we name the redirection page for the extended darkstalker bios? And what about the overview?

The problem here is the mascot images. Supposedly, it should be possible for DJP to recode the site so that when reading a mascot bio, the mascot image on the site header should be the one that goes with the bio you're currently reading, i.e. not just any random one. It would make things easier for DJP - and be good practice - to use redirection pages for all bios. We just don't know how to do this with the special darkstalker related articles. That's what I wanted Larry to give us answers to/about.

[The Coop]

Well, here are my thoughts (yes, I do get them from time to time... hurts though)...

Each image links to the short bio, right. In each of those short bios, I figure a few things can be done. 1) Make it so each time the word "Darkstalkers" comes up, it's automatically made a link to the "What is" page, 2) put the "What is" info somewhere on each of the short bio pages, or 3) make each image link to the "What is" page, have links to each of the seven bios on that page, and then have a link to each ones extended version on their pages, so that the linkage system would work like this...

http://www.geocities.com/arforfaborb/idea1.gif


Anyway, just some possibilities.

[Polo]

When a reader clicks on a Darkstalker image, they should be taken to that character's short profile. I like The Coop's second option to bundle some stuff within these "short" bios.

Does the Wiki provide any code that will expand / contract sections? Say Jon Talbain has his regular bio section, and next to the header Bio there's the tag "spoilers" or "full history (spoilers)". Click on the tag and it'll change / expand to show the Reader's Digest version. There can even be a collapsible header / section before or after the bio chunk that details what a Darkstalker is, with links to the others. Saves pages that way.

The only downside is that the reader won't see the Darkstalkers all lined up when reading about the series as a whole... though it could just be an aesthetic preference. *shrug*

[Dafydd]

1) Make it so each time the word "Darkstalkers" comes up, it's automatically made a link to the "What is" page, 2) put the "What is" info somewhere on each of the short bio pages, or 3) make each image link to the "What is" page, have links to each of the seven bios on that page, and then have a link to each ones extended version on their pages, so that the linkage system would work like this...


1) Yeah, that works, but what should the "what is" info page be named url-wise? That still needs an answer from Larry.
2) That works too.
3) Since we can't have the images lined up in the what is bio (unless Larry allows for an exception), the user who clicked on of the darkstalker mascots and is sent to this "what is" info page won't know the name of the mascot he's just clicked.

I understand what you're saying, I just don't think you've understood what it is I'm saying. It's not about which page should link to what or how to organize them, it's about redirection pages, what to name them, and even whether to use them. We will need Larry's input on this, no matter how much we discuss it ourselves. The darkstalker bios and the info page will be included somehow, probably in one of the ways that you just suggested, but that's not what this discussion is about. Just wait until Larry pops his head back in. :-) I'll send him a PM and hopefully the wait won't be so long.

[The Coop]

1) Yeah, that works, but what should the "what is" info page be named url-wise? That still needs an answer from Larry.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but if these wiki pages work anything like the ones on Wikipedia, why not have "What_Is_Darkstalkers" as the page name at the URL's end, instead of a given bio's number/name? Is there some specific formula that has to be used in this wiki URL setup, or was that your plan to begin with?

[Dafydd]

Yeah, for all I care, that would be fine, but I need Larry to confirm this first. The solution to all of this is probably extremely intuitive and simple, but I don't feel like I have the admin powah to make the decision myself.

[Liontamer]

Lemme hold of on this until after MAGFest. Not that I'm lazy on it, but I wanna give this my full attention, and think the possibilities through.

We might actually be able to incorporate a collapse-able deal to allow extended bios on the same pages as the regular bios, BUT that stuff has only been programmed on Wikipedia proper and may require templates that we can't simply cut-and-paste into MediaWiki in order to have work on our side.

In terms of pages redirecting to extended bios via the mascot #s, I don't think we would offhand, but again, lemme figure out how we're gonna approach this. If I can get the collapse-able stuff working, it would be a moot point.

As for a sort of group/main page for the DarkStalkers, that sounds fine to me, but we may be able to just do that as a Category page rather manually creating a new page, so don't move forward with any of that yet.

[Dafydd]

Ah, of course... a new category. Yeah, I'll let you get back to us about this. Though, we've written a "main page" for the Darkstalkers, and I'd really like to see that text included on a page of its own.

EDIT: Oh, and once this is finished, I want to write a short blurb about the project itself so that those who never knew about it before it was finished can find out. Just so I can thank everyone and stuff. I guess a wiki page would be used for that as well.

EDIT 2: I found this little thing I'd like to nitpick about - in Link's bio, the following sentence ends the third paragraph: "Like many other main characters in this style of game, Link rarely speaks, using facial expression to convey his feelings." I want to add the word "instead", or something, right after the last comma. Is that proper English? I feel as if the sentence suggests that speaking and using facial expressions is the same thing, or... well, I just don't like it. Adding this little word would make the sentence so much less of an eyebrow raiser. Help?

I need to add the links to other characters in each of the 51 bios I've uploaded. Once I'm done doing that, we should all try to make sure that we don't have any "illegal" links still left by mistake or other problems caused by the migration. I might be the only one to have errors in my bios though (if any of us does). I also don't have the real names for some of the writers of the bios I've uploaded, some of who might actually want to be credited by their real name as well as by username.

[Polo]

Looking at the last 11 bios (Yuna through Otacon), I just have one thing to say...



*AHEM* (http://home.earthlink.net/%7Edastuart/OCR_Mascot_Bios_41-50.txt)



Don't let Lin's faithful edits go to waste. I can't create a page called Bonus kun (lower case 'k') to redirect from Bonus Kun, so unless Larry's willing to delete the existing page so we can try again, we'll have to leave the article title as-is. I did however update the links to Mega Man 2-7 in Mega Man's bio because the urls dropped the Roman numeral facade (I noticed it when uploading Dr. Wily's bio).

"Like many other main characters in this style of game, Link rarely speaks, using facial expression to convey his feelings." I want to add the word "instead", or something, right after the last comma. Is that proper English?
That makes more sense, yes. Good catch. Go ahead and add "instead" to that sentence. Also, it should be "facial expressions" (plural).

I also don't have the real names for some of the writers of the bios I've uploaded
Rexy is Bev Wooff (Sonic's bio). She displays her real name in her profile and posts, so you can add it. Lin's in charge of Wiki'ing Claire Redfield by Dean Park (Spunodi) and Edge by Luke Williams (Less Ashamed Of Self) who also display their real names (the latter in his sig, which is just as obvious if not more so). That covers the last few unknowns.

[Dafydd]

Whoops. Will try to adjust tomorrow night. Sorry about that. :|

EDIT: No progress yet. I've been remixing. Deadline's still set though. I'll be honest, I'm trying to get an ADD examination. Hopefully within a month I'll be chewing ritbits and doing fine. Should I turn out to be "healthy", I'm going to feel so worthless. ...Well, I got Bonus Kun moved to Bonus kun. Bonus Kun still exists but redirects to Bonus kun, and so does the redirect page (http://www.ocremix.org/info/OCR_Mascot_119). I'll get the last 11 bios updated as soon as I can.

[Dafydd]

Now done copying Lin's edits of the last bios into the Wiki, overwriting the old articles. Will begin changing the names of other characters into their proper links as soon as I can. Meanwhile, please tell me if you find any oddities in any of my bios, and ask questions if you have any.

EDIT: Someone hasn't been uploading all of their bios yet. There are 107 articles in the mascot category, and Luigi and Peach are not among them (I noticed when I started to linkify the character names). Who might this person be? :) Well, Valentine's day still stands, so no worries.

EDIT2: Ok, about halfway done adding the links. I noticed I don't like the X quote. Could it be changed for something else, like, I dunno, "I guess I'm not powerful enough to defeat him..." or something? I'd appreciate your input.

EDIT3: Ok, unless I've missed something, which I probably have, I'm all done, except for the Otacon bio. I don't know if the link to Solid Snake there should go to #065 or #147. Feel free to point out any other mistakes I might have made. If the rest of the bios have not been uploaded by next weekend, I'm willing to help there.

[Polo]

I don't suppose your diagnosis is having an adverse effect on double-checking these bios, could it? In any case, I went ahead and fixed some details that were casually overlooked. Kudos on the Bonus kun article title fix, though.

I noticed I don't like the X quote. Could it be changed for something else, like, I dunno, "I guess I'm not powerful enough to defeat him..." or something?
If you want. Or you could try something from one of the more text-heavy games...

"There must be alternatives to this endless fighting!"
"Even if we fight, what good will it do? A battle won't solve the problem."
"Why do Reploids always have to fight each other? Darn! Do I have to fight again?!"
"OK, Zero! I'll be waiting for you... ... you'd better come back alive!"
"Sigma won't beat us Maverick Hunters!"

I'm all done, except for the Otacon bio. I don't know if the link to Solid Snake there should go to #065 or #147.
It doesn't really matter, but if you want a consistency rule, I'd say link to #065 (earlier numbers get the link). Similarly, Crono redirects can go to #002 while Zelda redirects can lead to #027.

If the rest of the bios have not been uploaded by next weekend, I'm willing to help there.
We still need Larry's input on how to deal with the redirects for the Darkstalkers overview and the extended bios. Do you need his input on where to put your blurb on the whole project / general word of thanks to all who helped out?

[Liontamer]

We still need Larry's input on how to deal with the redirects for the Darkstalkers overview and the extended bios. Do you need his input on where to put your blurb on the whole project / general word of thanks to all who helped out?

For both the DarkStalkers and Mascots categories, we should be able to add text to the Category pages like any other entry, so we'd use those to house that stuff. For project thanks, I'd think to use the Mascots category page. We could probably get a link to that added onto the sidebar and dropdown menus as well.

[Dafydd]

I don't suppose your diagnosis is having an adverse effect on double-checking these bios, could it? In any case, I went ahead and fixed some details that were casually overlooked. I hope not. The idea was to improve things, not make them worse. I tried hard to get those details right, what were they exactly? Thanks for helping.

EDIT: Wait, I thought you meant something else. If I do indeed get that diagnosis, then that would explain why I took 2½ years to get this done. And why my double-checking seems to need triple-checking by someone else more often than not. By getting the diagnosis, officially, if I do, I hope to get help. That's what I meant by "the idea was to improve things", the idea being getting the diagnosis. The syndromes I've had all my life.

"There must be alternatives to this endless fighting!"
"Even if we fight, what good will it do? A battle won't solve the problem."Sounds like the X I know. I think I'll go with the latter of the two.
...while Zelda redirects can lead to #027.You mean 028, right? I disagree though. Picture 028 is the WW version, while 094 is more like what most people's image of Zelda is. So I think that one should be it.

[Dafydd]

For both the DarkStalkers and Mascots categories, we should be able to add text to the Category pages like any other entry, so we'd use those to house that stuff.

Ok, but what about the general info blurb about the darkstalkers then?

For project thanks, I'd think to use the Mascots category page. We could probably get a link to that added onto the sidebar and dropdown menus as well.

Ok, great. Though no hurries there.

[Linearity]

I still don't know which pages to redirect towards, respectively, the "Darkstalkers" bio and the extended versions of the Darkstalkers characters' bios. As yet there is no Darkstalkers category.

I'll upload my bios presently, omitting redirects for the aforementioned bios until Larry tells me what to do.

[Dafydd]

Do you know how to create categories? Just add [[Category:Darkstalkers]] to the end of each of the short darkstalker bios and voila, it's done. Unless I'm wrong, that is. But yeah, leave the extendeds and the info page for now, we'll deal with it when Larry comes back.

[Linearity]

Oh that's how that Mascots category page came into being. Alles klar, I'll do that for all of the Darkstalkers bios.

[Dafydd]

I didn't see any of the Darkstalkers bios up there yet, only the info page. Once you do upload the Darkstalker bios, I'd suggest adding the [[Category:Darkstalkers]] before the [[Category:Mascots]] in each of them (they're kind of a sub-category, aren't they?).

EDIT: Ok, category pages can contain text. I didn't realize this before. I tried moving the page named "Darkstalkers" (which I didn't know existed yet) to "Category:Darkstalkers" but it wouldn't allow me to for some reason. Obviously, that's the page where the Darkstalkers "what is" should be. This must have been what LT was talking about all along, only I didn't understand that. So, Liontamer, can the Darkstalkers info page a. be removed entirely, so that its contents can be put in Category:Darkstalkers instead, b. moved to Category:Darkstalkers or c. just be changed to redirect to Category:Darkstalkers?

[Polo]

I tried hard to get those details right, what were they exactly?
Specifically, they were shortening Squaresoft to Square in Yuna, Fei, and Terra's bios, adding the abbreviation mark in Super Smash Bros. Melee in Ganondorf's, writing out "Doctor" for Robotnik's Wiki link, anchoring Terra's Wiki link (and matching the label with it), writing out PlayStation Portable instead of PSP in The Prince's appearance list, replacing "and" with "&" in Me & My Katamari, removing his quote, changing the third reference link to Katamari's official site, and adjusting the GameFAQs labels for The Prince, Terra, and Bonus kun.

Two other adjustments I felt were needed (but weren't in any text files) were changing the word "story" to "start" in Yuna's bio ("Ten years prior to the start of the game...") and adding the word "with" in Bonus kun's bio: "...leaving him with little more than..."

You mean 028, right? I disagree though. Picture 028 is the WW version, while 094 is more like what most people's image of Zelda is. So I think that one should be it.
Yeah, 028. Forgot to double-check the number, heh. And 094 does feel like a better choice, so linking to that is fine.

For both the DarkStalkers and Mascots categories, we should be able to add text to the Category pages like any other entry, so we'd use those to house that stuff.
Ok, but what about the general info blurb about the darkstalkers then?
I think he means it'll be on the category page called Darkstalkers much like the word of thanks is / will be on the Mascots category page. Kinda like this:

Category:Darkstalkers
home / about / mixing / store
What is Darkstalkers?

To put it simply, it's blah blah blah tl;dr.

-- The Coop

Articles in category "Darkstalkers"
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There are 7 articles in this category.

(list)

[Dafydd]

Specifically, they were shortening Squaresoft to Square in Yuna, Fei, and Terra's bios, adding the abbreviation mark in Super Smash Bros. Melee in Ganondorf's, writing out "Doctor" for Robotnik's Wiki link, anchoring Terra's Wiki link (and matching the label with it), writing out PlayStation Portable instead of PSP in The Prince's appearance list, replacing "and" with "&" in Me & My Katamari, removing his quote, changing the third reference link to Katamari's official site, and adjusting the GameFAQs labels for The Prince, Terra, and Bonus kun.

Oh no. I must have uploaded old, unrevised bios by mistake or something. Sorry about that, man. :| Thanks for fixing all that stuff!

I think he means it'll be on the category page called Darkstalkers much like the word of thanks is / will be on the Mascots category page. Kinda like this:

Yeah, I realized this and wrote about it in my previous post.

[Linearity]

Progress report.

I'm halfway done uploading my bios. Everything looks fine so far.

I added "Jon Talbain" and "Jon Talbain (extended)" to a special Darkstalkers category, and I added The Coop's "Darkstalkers" piece to that category page. I then, just for experiment, marked that page as being in the Mascots category, which made the Mascots category page show a link to the Darkstalkers category page, calling it a "subcategory." We don't have to keep that there: it looks kind of ugly and is not very useful. At any rate, the "Darkstalkers" piece is still on the wiki as a bio, and it is also there as category page text.

I clarified the "Pictured from:" fields in both the Zelda and Solid Snake bios--as each of these bios is associated with two pictures apiece--saying "Game Title (as mascot #000)" instead of just "Game Title(#000)." The redirect notification makes these notes clear to anyone coming to the bio through the mascot image: "Redirected from OCR_Mascot_000."

I changed the Mario and the Mario (kart) bios a little; I integrated the links between them into the text of the bios. So whereas "Mario" had no link to "Mario (kart)", I made such a link out of the word "racing" in the Mario text. And whereas "Mario (kart)" had a very explicit link to "Mario" before the text of the bio, I removed that and linked to the Mario bio through the first mention of the word "Mario." Take a look, tell me if it looks like it won't work.

Still standing by on what to do about redirect pages for the Darkstalkers bios. As I think of it, I wonder if we really need redirect pages for the extended bios. I assume that we only need a redirect page when a user clicks on the mascot picture, so as to use the mascot name to direct her browser to the correct bio. But we don't want anyone to go straight from a mascot picture to an extended bio, so perhaps there's no need for a redirect page for those, and therefore no problem to resolve.

[Polo]

About the Darkstalkers category... I think removing the text "There is one subcategory to this category" would better tighten the appearance of the "Subcategories" chunk, but I'm not sure how to do that because clicking Edit only shows Dafydd's blurb in progress. But I did add "— The Coop" at the end of the overview (in the subcategory) for crediting purposes.

And remember, the short DS bios need their redirect pages, so be sure to create "OCR Mascot 103" for Jon Talbain. Hopefully LT will show us how to make collapsible sections for putting the extended bios on the same page as the short ones.

I changed the Mario and the Mario (kart) bios a little; I integrated the links between them into the text of the bios. So whereas "Mario" had no link to "Mario (kart)", I made such a link out of the word "racing" in the Mario text. And whereas "Mario (kart)" had a very explicit link to "Mario" before the text of the bio, I removed that and linked to the Mario bio through the first mention of the word "Mario." Take a look, tell me if it looks like it won't work.
Works fine, imo. Clever way to link to the (kart) bio; it's like how X links to his "full armor" bio using said words instead of a name.

I noticed the other day that Galbadia Hotel is down, and so is the Final Fantasy Shrine link in the bios of Barret and the Turks (since GH and FFS both have ffshrine.org in the url), so I removed them for now. Similarly, the Rival Schools Network link for the RS mascots is still DOA, hence the change to Justice Network. Don't worry though, I'm keeping a record of all broken reference links since we've started Wiki'ing these bios, and if any old links come back, I'll reinstate them.

[Dafydd]

Somehow I doubt GH would stay down for long. It's back up as of present.

Naturally, the extended bios for the Darkstalkers don't need redirection pages, while the short ones do. As far as I know, we still haven't decided on how to incorporate the extended versions. I think the info page doesn't need to be a subcategory. Whoever is interested in reading up on the darkstalkers will click the "category: darkstalkers" at the bottom of the bios. The info page doesn't need to be accessible from the "mascot" category.

Also, I've recieved a PM from a Darklink42 (I think) who had looked at the wiki, which, in case you didn't know, is open to the public through the links we've made in this thread, and found spelling errors and sentences that he didn't think read very well. He expressed concern that I might not appreciate him telling me about our mistakes, but I told him to post his suggestions here, so hopefully we'll be seeing him soon. I can hardly believe Polo could have missed something like spelling errors, hehe, though I'm sure there are plenty of sentences that could be rewritten to read better (even I find those sometimes).

[Darklink42]

Hi guys, I've been following this project for a while, and while cruising through what you have up so far I found some technical errors and awkward sentences that i thought you might like to know about and correct. They're just suggestions though, and I understand if you decide not to use them. So far I've only gotten up to 035 (Sephiroth) and I've tried to avoid the really nitpicky stuff (Other than some missing commas). Hope I can be of some help.

Here's what I have so far:
004Aeris- "But she's happier for his health and durability than her garden's. Aware that the Turks, scouts of the Shinra megacorporation, are seeking her out again, the girl enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date. And so Aeris Gainsborough joins the story of Final Fantasy VII." (<is a re-worded version of the 4th and 5th sentences of the first paragraph.)
-"Low-on Health limit breaks"- This implies that she only uses them only when she is low on health. It should say something more to the effect of "Curative" or "restorative"
-"Blessed from the ground up. This is also why Aeris is constantly pursued." More explanation without revealing plot details should be added. I'd recommend something like "Aeris is obviously more than she appears, and whatever secret she carries appears to be very valuable to Shinra, her constant pursuers.
007Leon Belmont: "That the other Belmonts use." - ["That future Belmonts would continue to use in their battles (with other vampires?)]
008Sonic: "After the end of Sega's hardware business" - ("After Sega's departure from making new consoles")
011Ukyo Tachibana-" As much of a heartthrob he is with the ladies" ("As much of a heartthrob as he is to the ladies")
-"...blindness of the Japanese film character Zatoichi" Should it be mentioned what film this character is in?
012Terry Bogard- fighting techniques, streetwise attitude(,) and otherwise laid-back personality.
-"a master of a brawling martial arts (style)" and really I'd almost want to rewrite that, something like "master of a style of Martial Arts incorporating brawling techniques" (<still ugly though)
014Ness- "although he has an affinity for psychic powers." affinity sounds like he enjoys them as a snack or a pet. More appropriate would be something like "although he has the innate ability to harness psychic powers"
016Chun-Li- I feel like the opening sentence should better explain who it is referring to. The second sentence should be the clarifying statement for the first one. I have no suggestions at the current moment, without re-writing the whole first three sentences.
017Cammy White- "Cammy first appeared in the 1993 game Super Street Fighter II" Is this accurate, or should it be listed by it's full title as stated below in appearances?
021Barrett Wallace- "this later led to a conflict between Barret and Shinra's troops in which Barret lost both his wife and his right arm." It is actually a conflict between Shinra and Avalanche (prior to Barrett) that causes the loss of Barrett's wife. This should be reflected, as I believe that it's the spillover of that fight which causes him to also lose his arm.
023Ulala- I'm not familiar with the game, but would it spoil the plot to say why she must imitate the Morolians? I ask because it feels like that's an important element of the character's story.
024Moogle- "And so Moogles continue to pop up." I like the sentence, but perhaps it shouldn't be on it's own line, otherwise it feels like it's tacked on.
025Bowser- "Bowser has appeared in many other games, most of them spin-offs of the Mario series such as Super Mario Kart, Mario Party(,) and Super Smash Bros., either as a playable character or as an antagonist. As a playable character his largeness and heaviness influence the strategy most beneficial(<feels really awkward there) to players that control him." perhaps "His largness and heaviness influence the strategy players use when controlling him"?
026Vivi-"As a younger main character of Final Fantasy IX, Vivi is perhaps the most appreciated" (Underappreciated?).
-Should his appearance in KH2 be mentioned?
027HUnewearl- The first paragraph should be re-arranged so that the story descriptor is at the beginning. Something like this: "An explosion on the planet Ragol cuts off communication links between its colony and the landing starship, Pioneer 2. The Hunters onboard are the first group dispatched to investigate matters. This is the story in Phantasy Star Online, the first RPG...etc."
028Zelda- "An oft-made mistake made by newcomers to the Zelda series is (that) they figure..."
-"the series is in fact named after the damsel in distress present (<cut the present out)"
029Nall- "for its high price, until U.S. publisher Working Designs spun its reputation around with the release of Lunar: The Silver Star." ("...for its high price. That is, until U.S. publisher...")
030X(full armor)- "enormously powerful and purple wall of plasma" (the "and" there is not necessary, and could be replaced by a comma)
-"new abilities to (<"that" instead of "to") come with the upgrades "
032Fei Fong Wong- "Weltall time and again is almost a part of Fei in how extensively it is tied to and influences his fate." ("Weltall, time and again, is proven to be almost a part of Fei, given how extensively it is tied to, and influences, his fate.")

[Dafydd]

Thank you. I'll look this through when I have time. What say the rest of you? I've always been told that, when listing things, you separate them by comma, but the last one connects to the second last one with the word "and" and without a comma. Some of the commas you've added go against this "rule" by immediately preceding that "and", and my personal opinion is that those hinder reading more than they help. Naturally, commas may precede the word "and" at times, such as in the previous sentence, but that's because you're separating clauses rather than things that you're listing. I don't know what the rule is in English, however.

Example:
"I'm going to the store, dad's working, and last night my cat was run over by a bus." Weird sentence, but you get the idea. So, "and" preceded by a comma.
"This box contains apples, pears, pineapples, bananas and oranges". No comma. Again, this is just how I do it and I don't know whether this is correct or not. In spoken English, it's very common to make a pretty long pause between the second last and last items when reading a list like that, which would suggest a comma is in order. I realize this is incredibly nitpicky, and I might even be wrong, like I said, but so is bringing the issue up, so... :)

[Linearity]

You can always make a piece of writing better through further revision. Right now, I think our priority should be to publish what is already very good work. If we want, we can go and edit more after we're done, but delaying for perfection is folly at this point.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, true. But having the suggestions posted here in the thread is a good thing too. Also, there isn't that much we can do in order to get this published now - it's up to DJP and Liontamer. We're done uploading the bios, aren't we? All I still have to do, and can do before Larry gives us a final solution to the darkstalkers "problem" is to write that epilogue I mentioned. What then, other than ironing out the wrinkles, is still left to do?

EDIT: Ok, so we're not done uploading them. But almost! Again, if it ain't done by this weekend, I'd happily help out uploading the last few of them. Only 20 or so to go now.

[Polo]

a comprehensive post
You, sir, are the linguistics challenge I never had. Pleasure to indulge in discussion / debate / mud wrestling over English idioms and structures and all that.

004Aeris- "But she's happier for his health and durability than her garden's. Aware that the Turks, scouts of the Shinra megacorporation, are seeking her out again, the girl enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date. And so Aeris Gainsborough joins the story of Final Fantasy VII." (<is a re-worded version of the 4th and 5th sentences of the first paragraph.)
I like the way you paired the clauses to make the sentences feel more cohesive. Oddly though, starting a sentence with the word "aware" didn't jive with me, so I tweaked that sentence to get this: "But she's happier for his health and durability than her garden's. She's aware that the Turks, scouts of the Shinra megacorporation, are seeking her out again, and to escape their clutches, she enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date."

-"Low-on Health limit breaks"- This implies that she only uses them only when she is low on health. It should say something more to the effect of "Curative" or "restorative"
Good catch. I adjusted that sentence to note when and how her "spirituality" shows: "This sensitive spirituality is shown primarily through Aeris's battle defenses, which include healing, status-cleansing, and even shielding Cloud's party from onslaughts, blessed from the ground up."

-"Blessed from the ground up. This is also why Aeris is constantly pursued." More explanation without revealing plot details should be added. I'd recommend something like "Aeris is obviously more than she appears, and whatever secret she carries appears to be very valuable to Shinra, her constant pursuers.
What you're suggesting is a reiteration of what I say in the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, but in an ambiguous tone. "Blessed from the ground up" is a playful quip I injected to spruce up the bio when I first wrote it.

I don't see how it's too much to say that Shinra want her to show them where the Promised Land is if beforehand I'm detailing her innate abilities which, logically, would give reason to the corporation tailing her in the first place. Even if I left out what Shinra's doing (hurting the planet by sapping it of Mako Energy), casual readers could still make the leap themselves: "Aeris is being chased because of her powers..."

I did, however, alter the last sentence of paragraph 2 so it doesn't suggest her battle powers are the reason she's followed: "But Aeris is pursued for another reason altogether."

007Leon Belmont: "That the other Belmonts use." - ["That future Belmonts would continue to use in their battles (with other vampires?)]
The first sentence reads: "...the youngest known Belmont in any Castlevania game to date," which implies that there are other Belmonts in other CV games. I think just adding "would" and subtracting "the" would be enough: "...that other Belmonts would use."

008Sonic: "After the end of Sega's hardware business" - ("After Sega's departure from making new consoles")
Reread the previous sentence; your wording was already covered. Plus, Wikipedia says Sega "left the consumer console business and began concentrating on software development..." so the present wording isn't really a stretch.

011Ukyo Tachibana-" As much of a heartthrob he is with the ladies" ("As much of a heartthrob as he is to the ladies")
Better, thanks!

-"...blindness of the Japanese film character Zatoichi" Should it be mentioned what film this character is in?
He's in lots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatoichi#List_of_original_films). Just mentioning the character should be enough for anyone curious about this other guy's movies.

012Terry Bogard- fighting techniques, streetwise attitude(,) and otherwise laid-back personality.
Tempting, but not necessary. See my note on commas below.

-"a master of a brawling martial arts (style)" and really I'd almost want to rewrite that, something like "master of a style of Martial Arts incorporating brawling techniques" (<still ugly though)
Just cut that second "a" and you're set: "a master of brawling martial arts."

014Ness- "although he has an affinity for psychic powers." affinity sounds like he enjoys them as a snack or a pet. More appropriate would be something like "although he has the innate ability to harness psychic powers"
Huh. I forgot that affinity means "natural liking" (sure, all kids have a "natural liking" for psychic powers, but how many are born with them?). I'll go with "although he has the innate ability to use psychic powers" because "harness" sounds like he keeps them inside himself, withheld from display (yeah, I know it can also mean to control or channel, but just to be safe).

016Chun-Li- I feel like the opening sentence should better explain who it is referring to. The second sentence should be the clarifying statement for the first one. I have no suggestions at the current moment, without re-writing the whole first three sentences.
watkinzez has an affinity for writing the first sentence as if it has nothing to do with the character, but it's really a lead-in to the mood or general idea behind the mascot he's writing about. But you're right about the second sentence not linking well with the first. I figure it can start this way: "Such is the strategy of Chun-Li, the only female character in Street Fighter II, who broke ground..."

017Cammy White- "Cammy first appeared in the 1993 game Super Street Fighter II" Is this accurate, or should it be listed by it's full title as stated below in appearances?
It's not a requirement to write out full titles in the body of a bio, but it is necessary for the Pictured from line and Selected game appearances list.

021Barrett Wallace- "this later led to a conflict between Barret and Shinra's troops in which Barret lost both his wife and his right arm." It is actually a conflict between Shinra and Avalanche (prior to Barrett) that causes the loss of Barrett's wife. This should be reflected, as I believe that it's the spillover of that fight which causes him to also lose his arm.
So "between Barret and Shinra's troops" is the clincher, is it? No problem, the conflict can instead be noted as "in the town". Simple, direct, spoiler-free, and keeps the first mention of AVALANCHE in the 3rd paragraph where it matters.

023Ulala- I'm not familiar with the game, but would it spoil the plot to say why she must imitate the Morolians? I ask because it feels like that's an important element of the character's story.
It's pretty intuitive if you ask yourself these questions: What's the problem of the story? What's Ulala's job? Does it feel like she's the main character? You may come to the conclusion that in order to get the scoop on the Morolian invasion and the uncontrollable dancing epidemic, Ulala must avoid the fate of everybody else by imitating the Morolians' dance moves, thus tricking them into thinking she's affected, while consciously finding a way to stop the aliens and save the people from their dilemma. Or something like that. Just fit the pieces together.

024Moogle- "And so Moogles continue to pop up." I like the sentence, but perhaps it shouldn't be on it's own line, otherwise it feels like it's tacked on.
I actually thought that once. To each his own, I guess.

025Bowser- "Bowser has appeared in many other games, most of them spin-offs of the Mario series such as Super Mario Kart, Mario Party(,) and Super Smash Bros., either as a playable character or as an antagonist. As a playable character his largeness and heaviness influence the strategy most beneficial(<feels really awkward there) to players that control him." perhaps "His largness and heaviness influence the strategy players use when controlling him"?
The original wording isn't confusing if read carefully, but your suggestion feels better when read at a casual pace, so we'll go with that. (And again, see below for the bit about commas.)

026Vivi-"As a younger main character of Final Fantasy IX, Vivi is perhaps the most appreciated" (Underappreciated?).
I don't understand. Elaborate?

-Should his appearance in KH2 be mentioned?
It could be, but it's not mandatory to list every single game a character has appeared in if the original bio writer doesn't feel like it. If Kingdom Hearts 2 is ever ReMixed on OCR, though, it would be added.

027HUnewearl- The first paragraph should be re-arranged so that the story descriptor is at the beginning. Something like this: "An explosion on the planet Ragol cuts off communication links between its colony and the landing starship, Pioneer 2. The Hunters onboard are the first group dispatched to investigate matters. This is the story in Phantasy Star Online, the first RPG...etc."
Sorry dude, gotta disagree with you. :-P It's fine as-is because the 1st mention of the Hunters is the link to the 2nd paragraph and the character. The overview to the game / series highlights its features, the most in-depth being the storyline, which introduces the HUnewearl thus.

028Zelda- "An oft-made mistake made by newcomers to the Zelda series is (that) they figure..."
Nah, it works fine without the word "that."

-"the series is in fact named after the damsel in distress present (<cut the present out)"
"Present" meaning the damsel presented in the games. But since you got confused, I went ahead and fleshed it out ("presented throughout").

029Nall- "for its high price, until U.S. publisher Working Designs spun its reputation around with the release of Lunar: The Silver Star." ("...for its high price. That is, until U.S. publisher...")
I'm cool with that, sure. As-is, it's kind of a run-on sentence with conflicting dilemmas. Separately, however, they create a stronger springboard into the foray that is Lunar.

030X(full armor)- "enormously powerful and purple wall of plasma" (the "and" there is not necessary, and could be replaced by a comma)
The comma doesn't feel like a smoother choice, imo. I tried instead "...into a powerful purple wall of plasma." Unless Dafydd objects, the word "enormously" can be safely cut because the word "wall" is evidence enough of the shot's power.

-"new abilities to (<"that" instead of "to") come with the upgrades "
The word "to" doesn't feel like too bad a choice at first read, but "that" fits better, so gracias.

032Fei Fong Wong- "Weltall time and again is almost a part of Fei in how extensively it is tied to and influences his fate." ("Weltall, time and again, is proven to be almost a part of Fei, given how extensively it is tied to, and influences, his fate.")
PROVEN to be. Nice. Except for rearranging the first four words, I think the sentence now works fine this way: "Time and again, Weltall is proven to be almost a part of Fei in how extensively it is tied to and influences his fate."



I spent all night crafting my response, but still, thanks for such a comprehensive post. Nitpicks are what we're all about. ;-)



comma rules
"One, two, and three items."
"One, two and three items."

Both are acceptable forms when written. Whichever you choose, just stay consistent. I use the former structure.

You can always make a piece of writing better through further revision. Right now, I think our priority should be to publish what is already very good work. If we want, we can go and edit more after we're done, but delaying for perfection is folly at this point.
That's the nature of the beast. Deal with it. :lol:

What then, other than ironing out the wrinkles, is still left to do?
1) Uploading the last bios
2) Linking to other mascots (in the bios Dafydd uploaded; some of them are just bold text, last I checked)
3) Properly displaying the extended Darkstalkers bios and the overview, preferably on the same pages as the short bios
4) Writing and finalizing the project epilogue / preamble
5) Making sure the mascot images appear in their respective bios (djp / LT's job)
6) Site coding to make the mascots clickable and redirect to their bios (again, for the higher-ups)

I'm also waiting for any other real name-less writers to answer my PM, which seems less likely with each passing day.

Oh, and since Galbadia Hotel's back up, so is the link to the FF7 Shrine, which I put back up for Barret and the Turks.

[Darklink42]

Glad I could be of some service then. On the Vivi bio, I think I was just thrown off because I'm so used to reading sentences that call a character "the most underappreciated". I re-read it, it seems fine to me now that I think about it a little more. I'll have some more for you guys later, once I have time to read a few more, but I have to say that you're doing a great job so far.

[Dafydd]

1) Uploading the last bios
2) Linking to other mascots (in the bios Dafydd uploaded; some of them are just bold text, last I checked)
3) Properly displaying the extended Darkstalkers bios and the overview, preferably on the same pages as the short bios
4) Writing and finalizing the project epilogue / preamble
5) Making sure the mascot images appear in their respective bios (djp / LT's job)
6) Site coding to make the mascots clickable and redirect to their bios (again, for the higher-ups)

1) Like I said, I'll help... I also thought Lin was done when I wrote that. Hence the edit. :)
2) Man, what did I miss now? I'll go through them again and try to hunt those ones down. If you're right, then those are wrinkles a few sizes up from what I meant.
3) We'll need LT for that.
4) Yeah, that needs doing.
5) Yeah, not our job, and it's going to take a long time, too, I'm sure.
6) Same there. By the time they're done doing that we will have had the time to iron a lot of wrinkles out.

[Linearity]

That's the nature of the beast. Deal with it. :lol:

Nitpicks are what we're all about. ;-)

All right.

"But she's happier for his health and durability than her garden's. She's aware that the Turks, scouts of the Shinra megacorporation, are seeking her out again, and to escape their clutches, she enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date."

The first sentence misuses the word "but" because there isn't a clear contrary statement preceding it. The possesive at the end of this sentence is awkward. The last comma of the second sentence should be omitted.

"This sensitive spirituality is shown primarily through Aeris's battle defenses, which include healing, status-cleansing, and even shielding Cloud's party from onslaughts, blessed from the ground up."

The last phrase doesn't make grammatical sense. It isn't clear what is blessed.

Time and again, Weltall is proven to be almost a part of Fei in how extensively it is tied to and influences his fate.

Why use the passive voice when it's unnecessary? It should be "Weltall is almost a part..."

I agree with you, Polo, on all of your other responses.

[Linearity]

Are we really publishing this part of the Dan Hibiki bio? It's misogynist. I know it wasn't meant that way, but it shouldn't be part of official writing.

Two bitch-slaps in one heralds Dan's first appearance, his status as both a parody and a weak character exploited in later games.I replaced "two bitch-slaps in one" with "two of Capcom's taunts in one". We could do "two middle fingers in one" if you like, or something else.

EDIT: I finished my uploading. All of the bios are now on the site (yippEE!). I gave each short Darkstalker bio a redirect page with its mascot number. The extended Darkstalkers bios have no redirect page. All of the links made from the word "Darkstalkers" now link to the Darkstalkers category page instead of the Darkstalkers article, which is still present in the bios list. I removed the "[[Category:Mascots]]" tag from the Darkstalkers category page, so the link to it no longer appears in the Mascots category page.

[Polo]

For Aeris, I decided to cut the first sentence starting with "But..." and wrote the start of the next one this way: "She soon becomes aware that the Turks..." Tell me if there's a chance of misreading or leaving an unanswered question - or if that sentence feels too long. Also, last comma cut = smoother finish, thanks.

Since "blessed from the ground up" is misleading when casually read, I went and axed it. No big loss.

I had to double-check examples of the passive voice to understand why the former wording was preferred ("Weltall is almost a part..."), and I see now why it makes sense. Excellent cross-checking catch.

For Dan Hibiki, I don't mind the change from "two bitch-slaps in one"; if people are going to flame us for our work, it should be fact-based clarity, not in response to subjective slang. "Two of Capcom's taunts in one" works fine.

TRIVIA: Our articles take up more than 3/4 of OCR's Wiki. All we need is a mascot whose name starts with "Q" and our list will span the whole alphabet.

[The Coop]

Quistis of FFVIII anyone?

[Polo]

Even better:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/polo_83/ocr_mascot_qbert.jpg

I can picture his quote now...

Quote: "@!#?@!"

[Dafydd]

Lol, I thought that was an actual mascot. Hahah! Anyway, I'm now free to upload mascots and other stuff. I'll look through my bios and see if Polo was right about me missing out on some character links, then help out if anyone else needs any.

[Darklink42]

Here's my next batch of suggestions and such:

031Lara Croft- "and the many modes of transportation including jeep, motorbike, and kayak." ("and varied modes of transportation including jeeps, motorbikes, and kayaking")
038Azel- "For her many complexities, her inner conflicts, and her personality that is unique for a female RPG character, Azel remains to this day a much-loved fan favourite." (...and a personality unique to female RPG characters) ("favorite" is also spelled wrong)
039Toad-"His soft, goofy appearance and delightful disposition make him a hallmark of the Super Mario Bros. series." (I laughed hard, that is a great line.)
041Kyo Kusanagi-"Kyo Kusanagi is the poster child of the plus-populated roster in the King of Fighters series." (What does plus-populated mean?)
046Lucca-"her inventions also a catalyst for the events leading to the quest that is undertaken in Chrono Trigger. " [(her inventions also serve as) or more simply (her inventions are a...)]
-"unbeknownst to their home time" ("unknown in their home time") (unbeknowst implies that the home time itself is unaware, not of the monsters, but of her powers of fire)
047Jedah Dohma- "His visions of what's to become of the world around him is something he dwells heavily upon." ("are" instead of "is")
051Dr. Robotnik "...hands takes center stage in Sonic's adventures hereafter." (thereafter is more appropriate as the article does not expand on Sonic's adventures)
054Dr. Wily- "let them wreak havoc on the city of Monsteropolis in an attempt..." (I'm just curious about this, because I've never seen that name before. I haven't played a lot of the Mega Man games so...)
056Beat- "games such as The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker and Sly Raccoon" (Okay, so this is a cheap nit-pick, but it's called Sly Cooper in the states and even though I know that, and anyone with a brain can figure out what it's talking about, should it be noted that it's called Sly Cooper as Jet Set Radio is also appended thusly?)
059Earthworm Jim- "as well as Jim's own voice" (As well as supplying Jim's own...)
060Dracula- "relishing bloodthirsty fangs and piercing eyes" (Sounds like he likes vampires instead of being one. Replace with something more like "known for his bloodthirsty...")
062Karin Kanzuki- "One must get the hand of these combos to be effective with Karin." ("hang" instead of "hand")
-"Using her family power she tracks down the roving Sakura and does eventually emerge the victor" (It implies that she inherited some sort of tracking power. Not sure how to fix it though)
064Mario (kart)- "Mario has starred in his own kart racing series since 1992, and has since continued as a strong venture of the Mario franchise." ("...since 1992, one that has continued...")
065Snake-"his track record on missions has earned himself a reputation." (should just be "him" instead of "himself")
-"Snake is a clone of who is said to be the greatest soldier in the 20th century," (of the man said to be...)
068Squall Leonhart-"Sporting a fur-trimmed leather jacket, a gunblade on his shoulder" (stylistic choice, but I feel like it should be "sporting a fur-trimmed leather jacket and a gunblade on his shoulder...")



Quick note. Aeris"...and to escape their clutches she enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date. And so Aeris Gainsborough joins the story of Final Fantasy VII."
(I think the "and so" can be dropped, and potentially replaced by "thus" or some other word. The reason is because there are two "and" modified sentences really close together.)

[Linearity]

Darklink42, I was begrudging your suggestions at first because this project is elderly and wants to pass away, and your editing can only prolong its life. But these you just posted are good catches, and I thank you for them. My responses are below. Polo should speak only for Polo when equating our collective modus operandi with nitpicking; I don't particularly like nitpicking. And I still want to publish this and be done as soon as DJP and Larry are ready to finalize.

The reason is this: whenever somebody goes back for more editing, I feel a need to be involved, because what is being edited is two and a half years of work in which I have invested a considerable amount of time and effort. I can't just sit back and let the others take care of it, as it seems watkinzez has done, because I want a say in how all of my work turns out.

Polo, you seem to have a lot more free time than I have to devote to this project, and as such you are better equipped to develop the project as you see fit. I simply can't keep up with you; I can't discuss everything with you and debate what changes to make. If we continue to fine-tune the project after this weekend, my schedule demands that I walk away and submit to whatever you and Dafydd and newcomers come up with.

Therefore, I ask you, Dafydd and Polo, that we decide to be done with the project's content. It is marvelous as it stands now. If it were only half-complete, or still in rough draft form, my request would be ludicrous. But it is not half-complete or rough; it is grand. I haven't any more time to give to it, and I ask that you not put in more time without me.

031Lara Croft- "and the many modes of transportation including jeep, motorbike, and kayak." ("and varied modes of transportation including jeeps, motorbikes, and kayaking")

It's nitpicky but good. Changed.

038Azel- "For her many complexities, her inner conflicts, and her personality that is unique for a female RPG character, Azel remains to this day a much-loved fan favourite." (...and a personality unique to female RPG characters) ("favorite" is also spelled wrong)

This is fine as it is. Favourite is the British spelling.

041Kyo Kusanagi-"Kyo Kusanagi is the poster child of the plus-populated roster in the King of Fighters series." (What does plus-populated mean?)

Good point. Changed to "heavily-populated"

046Lucca-"her inventions also a catalyst for the events leading to the quest that is undertaken in Chrono Trigger. " [(her inventions also serve as) or more simply (her inventions are a...)

Probably a typo. Changed.

-"unbeknownst to their home time" ("unknown in their home time") (unbeknowst implies that the home time itself is unaware, not of the monsters, but of her powers of fire)

Excellent.

047Jedah Dohma- "His visions of what's to become of the world around him is something he dwells heavily upon." ("are" instead of "is")

Righto. "...are things upon which he dwells..."

051Dr. Robotnik "...hands takes center stage in Sonic's adventures hereafter." (thereafter is more appropriate as the article does not expand on Sonic's adventures)

That's the difference between "this" and "that." I'm leaving it as is.

054Dr. Wily- "let them wreak havoc on the city of Monsteropolis in an attempt..." (I'm just curious about this, because I've never seen that name before. I haven't played a lot of the Mega Man games so...)It's right as is.

056Beat- "games such as The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker and Sly Raccoon" (Okay, so this is a cheap nit-pick, but it's called Sly Cooper in the states and even though I know that, and anyone with a brain can figure out what it's talking about, should it be noted that it's called Sly Cooper as Jet Set Radio is also appended thusly?)It's fine. Ship it, as they say.

059Earthworm Jim- "as well as Jim's own voice" (As well as supplying Jim's own...)You're right, that works better.

060Dracula- "relishing bloodthirsty fangs and piercing eyes" (Sounds like he likes vampires instead of being one. Replace with something more like "known for his bloodthirsty...")I think "relishing" probably was meant to be "brandishing" or "flourishing." I changed it to "brandishing."

062Karin Kanzuki- "One must get the hand of these combos to be effective with Karin." ("hang" instead of "hand")Yep.

-"Using her family power she tracks down the roving Sakura and does eventually emerge the victor" (It implies that she inherited some sort of tracking power. Not sure how to fix it though)I think it's "family's power" or, more clearly, "family's influence." Changed.

064Mario (kart)- "Mario has starred in his own kart racing series since 1992, and has since continued as a strong venture of the Mario franchise." ("...since 1992, one that has continued...")Yes.

065Snake-"his track record on missions has earned himself a reputation." (should just be "him" instead of "himself")
-"Snake is a clone of who is said to be the greatest soldier in the 20th century," (of the man said to be...)Yes.

068Squall Leonhart-"Sporting a fur-trimmed leather jacket, a gunblade on his shoulder" (stylistic choice, but I feel like it should be "sporting a fur-trimmed leather jacket and a gunblade on his shoulder...")Yes.



Quick note. Aeris"...and to escape their clutches she enlists Cloud as her bodyguard in exchange for a date. And so Aeris Gainsborough joins the story of Final Fantasy VII."
(I think the "and so" can be dropped, and potentially replaced by "thus" or some other word. The reason is because there are two "and" modified sentences really close together.)Changed to "thus."

[Dafydd]

I understand where you're coming from, Linearity, so how about this - from now on, we will stop rewording phrases, but we will always be on the lookout for spelling errors and missing periods. Commas will be less of a concern. Actual fact errors, if any, must be fixed though, don't you think? Also, the list of games in which a character is in can still be updated as more and more games are remixed. Updating those lists is not an imperative, but I'd be willing to add games to the appearances lists if someone (an casual visitor, for example) posts about how Mario was also in, e.g. Super Mario Land 2 (which hasn't been remixed yet, but when it has a remix on the site, I can add it to Mario's appearances). This does in no way behoove you to do the same. I understand why you don't want anyone messing with your bios behind your back. Still, like I said, DJP is probably going to take a pretty long time adding this new functionality to the site, and in the meantime, we can at least let Darklink42 post his suggestions. He is well informed that considering them is at our discretion.

[Polo]

Polo should speak only for Polo when equating our collective modus operandi with nitpicking; I don't particularly like nitpicking.
Okay then, to clarify: my personal work ethic dictates that I catch details that can reasonably be fixed if I can help it.

Polo, you seem to have a lot more free time than I have to devote to this project, and as such you are better equipped to develop the project as you see fit. I simply can't keep up with you; I can't discuss everything with you and debate what changes to make. If we continue to fine-tune the project after this weekend, my schedule demands that I walk away and submit to whatever you and Dafydd and newcomers come up with.
Linearity, I know you put a lot of time and effort into this project since before I joined, so I understand your feelings about wanting these articles to be savored for the love already put into them. I apologize for stressing you out by bringing up equivocal details that ultimately don't really need to be fixed. But thank you for taking care of Darklink42's new suggestions; you saved me some time by giving some of yours.

What does plus-populated mean?
It's like saying "over-populated" but without suggesting there's too many fighters to keep track of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_from_The_King_of_Fighters). But never mind that because Lin already changed it.

Monsteropolis is written in the Mega Man instruction manual: "It's Mega Man versus the powerful leaders and fighting forces of Monsteropolis — that strange multi-faceted land of robot-like Humanoids."



Dafydd, do you think a note about regional differences could be something you'd mention in your project blurb? Just in case people think "favourite", "realise", "colour", and so on in some bios are wrong.

"To purchase this domain name, Please contact us for more information." So says the Core Design website (Lara Croft's creator). Probably because there's 0 employees, according to Wikipedia. Hence the link removal. (I will still update broken links, just so you know.)

[Dafydd]

I will mention the regional differences, yes.

[Linearity]

I understand where you're coming from, Linearity, so how about this - from now on, we will stop rewording phrases, but we will always be on the lookout for spelling errors and missing periods. Commas will be less of a concern. Actual fact errors, if any, must be fixed though, don't you think...we can at least let Darklink42 post his suggestions. He is well informed that considering them is at our discretion.
That sounds like a good compromise. Spelling and periods don't really call for much debate as grammar might. And I feel comfortable deferring to you guys on correcting factual errors. Let's agree to leave the wording and grammar as it stands and I will be at ease.

[Darklink42]

That sounds like a good compromise. Spelling and periods don't really call for much debate as grammar might. And I feel comfortable deferring to you guys on correcting factual errors. Let's agree to leave the wording and grammar as it stands and I will be at ease.

Hey Linearity, I don't mean to be coming in and mucking up the works if that's what you mean. I understand, and I already talked to Dafydd about this before I even posted anything, that I am essentially a random guy who is coming in and throwing a bunch of stuff out. Like I stated at the beginning, I'm just looking to help, and if it's creating too much extra stress, I'm okay with stopping. I'm not trying to create a ton of new work for you guys or anything like that. If anything, it's merely because I think the site deserves a polished feature (as I know you guys do as well). And in with that in mind, I thought I'd be helpful in doing some editorial reviewing. If you'd like, I can hold off on phrasing changes (as those are probably the least helpful and most time consuming to consider) until you guys have finished everything else that needs to be done, and just focus on spelling, grammar and typos. (Though I have to say that, for the most part, there haven't been a lot of those which is awesome.) Again, I'm sorry if I'm getting in the way more than I'm helping.

[Dafydd]

We do appreciate your help, Darklink42. Please post the rest of your non-grammar/rewording stuff.

[Dafydd]

So... bump. What's going on?

[Darklink42]

Semester just started, so I've been a little slow. I've got a few things, but not enough to constitute posting them just yet. I'll plow through tonight and get you what I've got.

[Dafydd]

...aaand the rest of you?

Wait, they're all uploaded? I can't remember anyone coming here saying "ok, I'm finished!" What an anticlimactic end. I guess the rest is up to me, now that I have 2 weeks to write my letter of thanks.

[Darklink42]

A little late, but here is the next set. I feel like I should say that I am very impressed by the lack of typos and egregious grammar errors. You guys did a damn good job handling that. *thumbs up*

073Orta- "They have gained new weapons: Dragonmares, bio-engineered creatures rendering the force unstoppable." ("...creatures, which has rendered the force unstoppable")
- "It is with blissful ignorance Orta holds as these war machines approach the town she resides in, destroying anything in their path." ("Orta sits in blissful ignorance as these war...")
- "..When an enormous winged shape descends from the sky." (get rid of the ellipsis at the beginning, unless that sentence is part of the paragraph above, in which case it should be moved up.)
077Yoshi- "Once found, Mario could ride Yoshi through levels with increased speed, able to eat enemies and spit" ("and utilize his ride's ability to eat enemies...")
- "Though still within the canon of the Mario series, Yoshi has starred in his own games, of varying genre." ("...Yoshi has starred in several genre spanning titles")
- "eggs laid after eating enemies could be used as projectiles against the enemy, not to mention useful in many puzzles throughout the game." ("...enemy, an ability which would prove useful in many puzzles...")
083Dhalsim- "Most notable is his tact for throwing punches and kicks from across the screen" (" most notable is his tactic of throwing punches...")
087Heather Morris- (I don't want to go through sentence by sentence, but there are some tense disagreements in this entry. It switches between the present and past tenses a lot and needs to be revised to reflect one or the other.)
092Kirby- "Kirby is a happy-go-lucky pink puffball from Dream Land" (This is a small thing, but to my recollection, Kirby hails from Popstar. I'm not sure whether Dream Land is the over-arcing universe or just another planet, but I thought I should bring it up)
098Chrono- "Chrono Trigger probably starred the most famous mute of all." (I feel like it should say "mute hero" but that's entirely a preference thing)
-"He plays several of the classic roles seen in RPGs and stories throughout history —one to save his companions and his supposed love interest Marle, but also a figure..."("one in his quest to save his companions and his supposed love interest Marle, and another in defending his ideals from the forces of evil")
099Sagat- "second World Warrior tournament beings" ("begins" instead of "beings"
105Mai Shiranui- "Graced with a pair of bouncing breasts for her debut in Fatal Fury 2..." (I feel like this is kind of an obvious statement. Mai is a woman, she has breasts, breasts bounce. It should have a description that explains why this is important such as "large" or "prominent")
114Ryu Hyabusa- "It is on this journey that Ryu learns the power of the mystical Demon Statues, such that they are in high demand with other powers working against him." ("...demon statues, and the high value they have to the forces working against him.")
-"He has his sense of honour in the fights he is involved in, yet never holds back." ("His sense of honour never falters in his fights, nor does it hold him back.")
115Penelo- "a vast city of the land of Ivalice, previously seen in Final Fantasy Tactics." ("a vast city in the land of Ivalice")
-"She learned martial arts from her older, deceased, brother, he being a part of the military" ("older, deceased brother [no comma], who was a part of the military")

[Polo]

073Orta- "They have gained new weapons: Dragonmares, bio-engineered creatures rendering the force unstoppable." ("...creatures, which has rendered the force unstoppable")
You mean have, not has, right? Doesn't seem to work with the colon, though, so I used dashes — like this — alongside.

- "It is with blissful ignorance Orta holds as these war machines approach the town she resides in, destroying anything in their path." ("Orta sits in blissful ignorance as these war...")
I knew that sentence was odd. She doesn't literally sit down, so I trimmed it to "Orta is blissfully ignorant as..."

- "..When an enormous winged shape descends from the sky." (get rid of the ellipsis at the beginning, unless that sentence is part of the paragraph above, in which case it should be moved up.)
No need to move it. The bio reads like a narrative from start to finish. The dragon's appearance is a turning point, hence the start of a new paragraph.

077Yoshi- "Once found, Mario could ride Yoshi through levels with increased speed, able to eat enemies and spit" ("and utilize his ride's ability to eat enemies...")
Yeah, the second ability is something different and needs the word "and" to distinguish it from the former. I moved some words forward as well: "...and use the dinosaur's long tongue to eat enemies and spit them back out."

- "Though still within the canon of the Mario series, Yoshi has starred in his own games, of varying genre." ("...Yoshi has starred in several genre spanning titles")
I don't see what's confusing about the present wording, really.

- "eggs laid after eating enemies could be used as projectiles against the enemy, not to mention useful in many puzzles throughout the game." ("...enemy, an ability which would prove useful in many puzzles...")
Helpful, but a bit too wordy. The original sentence is clear enough.

083Dhalsim- "Most notable is his tact for throwing punches and kicks from across the screen" (" most notable is his tactic of throwing punches...")
Tactic. Yes.

087Heather Morris- (I don't want to go through sentence by sentence, but there are some tense disagreements in this entry. It switches between the present and past tenses a lot and needs to be revised to reflect one or the other.)
The past tense in the first paragraph is there to precipitate the current situation Heather finds herself in. The two tenses don't work against each other in this article; they do a trade-off.

092Kirby- "Kirby is a happy-go-lucky pink puffball from Dream Land" (This is a small thing, but to my recollection, Kirby hails from Popstar. I'm not sure whether Dream Land is the over-arcing universe or just another planet, but I thought I should bring it up)
Wikipedia says Kirby is "a denizen of Dream Land on the planet Pop Star." Sure, they're not one and the same, but obviating one doesn't make the remainder the only location. It's fine.

098Chrono- "Chrono Trigger probably starred the most famous mute of all." (I feel like it should say "mute hero" but that's entirely a preference thing)
Correct, it's a preference. "Mute" can work as a noun, plus saying that he stars in something (and is famous) indicates that he's a main character, and by that extension a hero.

-"He plays several of the classic roles seen in RPGs and stories throughout history —one to save his companions and his supposed love interest Marle, but also a figure..."("one in his quest to save his companions and his supposed love interest Marle, and another in defending his ideals from the forces of evil")
You're right, the word "but" doesn't fit, since it feels contradictory. "And another to defend..." should suffice.

099Sagat- "second World Warrior tournament beings" ("begins" instead of "beings"
You know it.

105Mai Shiranui- "Graced with a pair of bouncing breasts for her debut in Fatal Fury 2..." (I feel like this is kind of an obvious statement. Mai is a woman, she has breasts, breasts bounce. It should have a description that explains why this is important such as "large" or "prominent")
Sure, why not. Her size is part of the equation, after all.

114Ryu Hyabusa- "It is on this journey that Ryu learns the power of the mystical Demon Statues, such that they are in high demand with other powers working against him." ("...demon statues, and the high value they have to the forces working against him.")
To be honest, "such that" never rolled off me right, so I changed it to "...which are in high demand..."

-"He has his sense of honour in the fights he is involved in, yet never holds back." ("His sense of honour never falters in his fights, nor does it hold him back.")
Terser and smoother. Excellenter.

115Penelo- "a vast city of the land of Ivalice, previously seen in Final Fantasy Tactics." ("a vast city in the land of Ivalice")
It's neither wrong nor extraneous. Or do you think it's saying that Rabanastre was in FF Tactics but isn't so?

-"She learned martial arts from her older, deceased, brother, he being a part of the military" ("older, deceased brother [no comma], who was a part of the military")
It's word orders like this where I'm not sure if a comma is needed or not, because either way it reads awkwardly. So I moved the word "deceased" before "older." And I agree that "he being" works better as the past tense clause you suggested.

Thanks again, yo. I for one am glad to have a second opinion on areas I personally don't feel that comfortable with.



I'm having one last go at smoothing out lingering oddities in the bios (missing italics, curly quotation marks, broken links, etc.). I've also been adding ReMixed titles missing from certain Appearance lists.

None of the unknowns (besides Bummerdude) answered my PM offering an allotted time period to chime in with their real names for the "Article by" lines. So that issue's resolved.

[Dafydd]

I think it would be cool to keep updating these bios even after the project is finished - but only the appearances lists, and removing dead links, not by editing the bios themselves (as we decided a long way back, the bios were never intended to be "up-to-date". I could take care of doing this on my own, if you feel like you want to be entirely done with this thing. Also, who knows, DJP might add new mascots at some point. I don't really know why I'm bringing all this up, it's just, we're this close to finishing, and I don't think the project will ever be completely finished, but after the deadline, I have hopes to never have to edit any of the actual bios again.

[Darklink42]

You're quite welcome Polo. By the way, this is the last list. Thanks for letting me help out, it's always good to lend what I can to a good project. Once again though, great job on the bios. I like the variety of writing styles, and especially the non-formal tone a lot of them take while avoiding major spoilers.

123R-9A Arrowhead- "And many bosses there were, a highlight of the R-Type series and a challenge to take down the Arrowhead." (and a challenge to take down in[or "with"] the Arrowhead"
124Ganondorf- "In the end his form is mutated by the corrupting power of the Triforce, and he becomes Ganon." (The Triforce merely granted Ganondorf's dying wish for more power when he transforms into Ganon. The corruption, if any, came from his own evil intentions. I feel like that sentence is misleading in that capacity. I'd go with something more like "In the end, his form is corrupted when his wish for vengeance is granted by the Triforce, transforming him into Ganon." [/fanboy correction])
129Sora- "from Destiny Island who..." (Should be "The Destiny Islands" as that is how they are named in game.)
132Tira- "..."Birds of Passage," and they worked to shape the history of Europe from behind the scenes." (a sect dedicated to shaping the history of Europe...)
134Batsu Iichimonji- "Batsu is voiced by Nobuyuki Hiyama, who provided Link's mature voice in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and has voice roles in other fighting games." ("who, while most noted as Link's mature voice in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, has done voice roles in several other fighting games.")
136Lady- "It is during her search in the tower Temen-Ni-Gru when she meets him" (Small nitpick, but I think it should be "that she meets him" instead of "when")
137Dante- "his senses ever more effective; his equipment can also gain special uses." (his senses becoming ever more effective)
-"not to mention a bit of a womanizer" (also making him a bit of a womanizer.)
142Gambit- "Remy LeBeau, an adventurer from Louisiana," (Now I'm not really up on my X-men, but wasn't Remy Lebeau originally a thief who was part of a guild of them?)
145Blaze the Cat- "Not long before Dr. Eggman makes off with them in Sonic Rush." (It's [or "it is" whichever is more appropriate] not long before...)
-"and acts to situations in a calm and level-headed" (and reacts to situations...)
150Setsuna- "encased behind a mirror." (encasing it behind a mirror?)

[Dafydd]

Thanks for your input, Darklink. It's too bad you didn't post these sooner, as you would probably have been able have more of an impact then.

[Polo]

123R-9A Arrowhead- "And many bosses there were, a highlight of the R-Type series and a challenge to take down the Arrowhead." (and a challenge to take down in[or "with"] the Arrowhead"
Changed to "using" the Arrowhead. Should clear up any chance of confusion.

124Ganondorf- "In the end his form is mutated by the corrupting power of the Triforce, and he becomes Ganon." (The Triforce merely granted Ganondorf's dying wish for more power when he transforms into Ganon. The corruption, if any, came from his own evil intentions. I feel like that sentence is misleading in that capacity. I'd go with something more like "In the end, his form is corrupted when his wish for vengeance is granted by the Triforce, transforming him into Ganon." [/fanboy correction])
Vengeance in his dying wish might be apparent in Ocarina of Time, but it doesn't enter into the paragraph that way. Therefore I cinched it down to "mutated through the power of the Triforce".

129Sora- "from Destiny Island who..." (Should be "The Destiny Islands" as that is how they are named in game.)
Who'da thunk OmegaMe's poster bio could harbor a mishap like that. Fixed.

132Tira- "..."Birds of Passage," and they worked to shape the history of Europe from behind the scenes." (a sect dedicated to shaping the history of Europe...)
That's a potential mislabeling, plus the sentence doesn't lose track of who it's referring to. Pass.

134Batsu Iichimonji- "Batsu is voiced by Nobuyuki Hiyama, who provided Link's mature voice in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time and has voice roles in other fighting games." ("who, while most noted as Link's mature voice in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, has done voice roles in several other fighting games.")
It's fine as-is.

136Lady- "It is during her search in the tower Temen-Ni-Gru when she meets him" (Small nitpick, but I think it should be "that she meets him" instead of "when")
"Search" is anchored by the word "during," which refers to a time period. In other words, "it's during this time WHEN..." No need to change it.

137Dante- "his senses ever more effective; his equipment can also gain special uses." (his senses becoming ever more effective)
Word up.

-"not to mention a bit of a womanizer" (also making him a bit of a womanizer.)
I wouldn't say his aggressiveness and competitiveness MAKE him a womanizer; they're separate parts of his personality. Read it backwards ("Being a bit of a womanizer is in his nature") and it should be clear enough.

142Gambit- "Remy LeBeau, an adventurer from Louisiana," (Now I'm not really up on my X-men, but wasn't Remy Lebeau originally a thief who was part of a guild of them?)
Yes, but I left that out when writing his bio because it's part of his unspoken past which causes part of the strain between him and his fellow X-Men. He does travel and look for new thrills though, hence the "adventurer" occupation.

145Blaze the Cat- "Not long before Dr. Eggman makes off with them in Sonic Rush." (It's [or "it is" whichever is more appropriate] not long before...)
Helps the sentence feel more complete, but it's not overly necessary.

-"and acts to situations in a calm and level-headed" (and reacts to situations...)
Yep.

150Setsuna- "encased behind a mirror." (encasing it behind a mirror?)
Nope, his opponent's soul is encased behind a mirror. And he takes it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUlGkZEI2nw)

Glad you could help us out, Darklink42. 'Twas an honor, and I salute you. :pretzel:

[Dafydd]

Well, what do you know, I failed my own deadline. I'll try to get this done as soon as possible.

EDIT: Ok, can you spot the blooper in this one? http://www.ocremix.org/info/Penelo

EDIT2: These mascots have no remixes:

Akira Kazama
Batsu Iichimonji
Bishamon
Blaze the Cat
Bonus kun
Edge
Gambit
Heather Morris
Hsien-Ko
Jedah Dohma
Jin Kazama
Jon Talbain
Karin Kanzuki
Lady
Leon Belmont
Lilith Aenslaed
LocoRoco
Lord Raptor
Morrigan Aenslaed
Roberto Miura
Servbots
The Prince
Tira
Ukyo Tachibana
Ulala
Venom
Viewtiful Joe
Wain

Think it could be fun to post this list in a request thread once this project has finished, like, a completely voluntary remix project without deadlines of any kind? :)

[Polo]

EDIT: Ok, can you spot the blooper in this one? http://www.ocremix.org/info/Penelo
'Final' Fantasy is not italicized? Or is it supposed to read "her life on the streets HAD (not has) taught her instincts"?

EDIT2: These mascots have no remixes:



Think it could be fun to post this list in a request thread once this project has finished, like, a completely voluntary remix project without deadlines of any kind? :)
Finish your Mega Man 4 ReMiX Project, then we'll talk. ;-)

[Dafydd]

'Final' Fantasy is not italicized? I guess that's ok, the quote marks suggest a pun here...

Or is it supposed to read "her life on the streets HAD (not has) taught her instincts"?I don't know... What do you think?

None of these were what I had in mind though - I was thinking about the one game in the appearances list not being linked to the game - but then I realized the game has no remixes even though it's in the database... should we link it up anyway? If the game gets a remix later on it'll save us the trouble of linking it up later. Also, should we link the mention of Final Fantasy Tactics to its game page?

Finish your Mega Man 4 ReMiX Project, then we'll talk. ;-)Ok, I guess that's fair. :)

[Polo]

Italicizing 'Final' Fantasy is a go. "Has" indicates present, ongoing action; "had" represents just-passed occurrences. Compare:

Penelo's life HAS taught her instincts (and will continue to as long as she lives on the streets).
Penelo's life HAD taught her instincts (but now she is weaned from street urchin status).

I left it as "has."

I was thinking about the one game in the appearances list not being linked to the game - but then I realized the game has no remixes even though it's in the database... should we link it up anyway? If the game gets a remix later on it'll save us the trouble of linking it up later.

We link to games if they have ReMixes currently up on the site. That's one of the fundamentals of this project. It's fruitless to direct a reader to a remix-less title if we want to guide readers to mixes they haven't heard before. Games like Super Bomberman 3 and Castlevania 64 were represented once, but then the '06 Lockdown deemed their songs unfit for the site. Hence their absence from Bomberman and Dracula's Appearance lists.

But if you or anyone else can confirm that FF12 can be heard in an existing OC ReMix, then we can link the title and supplement it with a footnote like we did in Dante's Appearance list.

Also, should we link the mention of Final Fantasy Tactics to its game page?
No, because Penelo doesn't appear in the game. :roll:

[Dafydd]

True, but since the name came up, I just figured it could be linkified (though of course not added to the appearances list).

[Dafydd]

Should we remove the category "mascots" from the category "darkstalkers" and the extended darkstalkers bios? We can't rename the extended ones now, and I think they shouldn't be accessible from the main page without a proper spoiler warning attached. How about they're only accessible from the darkstalkers category (which can, then only be accessed by first reaching one of the darkstalkers bios), and from the darkstalker bio they're in? Or how about creating a new category named "extended darkstalker *spoilers*" which is accessible from the darkstalkers category, but not from the main page? That would mean the darkstalkers category can still be accessed from the main page. Come to think of it, the darkstalkers category is kinda funny, I mean, we don't have categories for "Mario universe" or "megaman" or "rival schools" or "final fantasy"... But we did need somewhere to put that "what are the darkstalkers" thingy. I'm just not sure it should be accessible from the main page.

Also, I've started writing some stuff on the main page. I figured it's better to throw something out and then revise it than waiting for the perfect sentences to form in my head and then write them down.

[Polo]

I removed [[Category:Mascots]] from the extended DS bios. Now they don't appear on the main page but still show up in the Darkstalkers category. We don't need to quarantine them any further.

Not sure what to do about the Darkstalkers article (http://www.ocremix.org/info/Darkstalkers). It mirrors the words in the DS category, and having two pages read the same way is kind of a waste. Removing the text from it strips it from the Mascots category, but it'll still show up as a blank page when someone searches for "Darkstalkers" in the Wiki. As you said once, redirecting the blank article to the DS category is a no-go. I thought of redirecting to one of the Darkstalkers, but that would put biased emphasis on one of them. Putting text on the page that says something like "See: Category:Darkstalkers (http://www.ocremix.org/info/Category:Darkstalkers)" is essentially telling readers "click twice, not once, for info on these characters." Plus, info on the series will be first and foremost accessible through 5 of the short DS bios (and all the long ones), not the Mascots category page. Should we just ask Larry to delete the DS article?

They were added to the site in 200X
:lol: That's the spirit! Make it read like a distorted prologue in a video game! (I think it was May 23, 2004 that they first started appearing, but I might be wrong...) Also, I think you can just say "Currently, there are..." without updating the date every day.

A few of them have more than one image, but only one article (Crono, Princess Zelda, and Solid Snake), which means that clicking either of the images will redirect you to the same page.
Fixed.

They are meant as an introduction, not a full (?)
"...not a full, detailed history that reveals everything about the mascot." That better?

We did our best to keep spoilers out
More like "at a minimum" (because some are inevitable).

Credits / Thanks

There will be a load of people to thank here. Do we mention them all?
Mention as many as you want. Here's some ideas (there's overlap in places):

- The 16 writers (for writing the articles) and 3 editors among them (for clean-up)
- Darkesword (for early guidelines and support)
- Liontamer (for Wiki integration instructions)
- djpretzel (for the Photoshopped mascots, the coding to click on them to access the articles, and of course OCR :P)
- The many supporters (for questions, corrections, and rooting for us)

[Dafydd]

As you said once, redirecting the blank article to the DS category is a no-go.
I said that? I did it just now (though it's not blank) and it works fine... did I say it didn't work, or did I say it was wrong? If we can't remove the DS article altogether, I'd say this is the best way to go.

Should we just ask Larry to delete the DS article?If it can be done. I think there was at least one more article that we ended up not using (due to a spelling error), so we should make sure to list every page we want removed before asking him to remove any of them.

- The 16 writers (for writing the articles) and 3 editors among them (for clean-up)
- Darkesword (for early guidelines and support)
- Liontamer (for Wiki integration instructions)
- djpretzel (for the Photoshopped mascots, the coding to click on them to access the articles, and of course OCR :P)
- The many supporters (for questions, corrections, and rooting for us)These are the people I had in mind. Maybe it's best to leave it like that, and then add "If you feel like you deserve to have your name mentioned here, just ask." or something.

Thanks for your other comments. The main page needs to read as well as the bios do, and I threw out some unfinished sentences just to get started. Sometimes I'm having trouble finding words for what I want to say, so it's good to have a native speaker around :wink:

[Polo]

I guess I misunderstood your words 4 pages ago...
I tried moving the page named "Darkstalkers" (which I didn't know existed yet) to "Category:Darkstalkers" but it wouldn't allow me to for some reason.
I thought you tried replacing the text in the DS article with #REDIRECT [[Category: Darkstalkers]] and it wouldn't let you. But never mind that; it works fine now. Odd to see the article listed in the DS category when it says "Redirected from Darkstalkers" up top, but then every article has two default links to the same page it's showing. So yeah, good show with the redirect, dude.

"Bonus Kun" (capital K) and "Mega Man X (full armor)" were the other ghost articles, but they're safely redirected, so we can let those go.

[Dafydd]

So if we ask LT to remove the one named "Darkstalker" we tell him to remove those two as well, correct?

I think I vaguely remember trying to redirect that page back then, yes. I don't know what was the problem then, something about permissions or the likes.

[Polo]

Just "Mega Man X (full armor)" can be deleted alongside "Darkstalkers". Bonus kun, however it's typed in the Search line, brings up the correctly spelt article (lowercase 'k'). Nothing wrong with that.

[Dafydd]

I guess you're right. Ok. I'll keep messing with the main page, LT is really busy right now anyway.

[Liontamer]

I guess you're right. Ok. I'll keep messing with the main page, LT is really busy right now anyway.

I'll try to check into the afformentioned issues this evening if possible.

[Dafydd]

You wouldn't have the slightest about when DJP will implement the click-the-mascot-and-reach-the-article functionality, would you?

EDIT: I'm off to Paris and will most likely be offline until Wednesday.

[Dafydd]

Would it be a good idea to have a page on the wiki listing all the writers, and perhaps, though probably not, even give each writer a page listing all of that writer's articles? I feel it would be nice to at least list the writers, but maybe that can be done on the main page... it just feels wrong to say "thanks to the 16 writers" without saying who they are.

[Polo]

Sure. Just write out the names listed below for the "16 writers" credit and you'll be set.

Dafydd
Rexy
Linearity
watkinzez
Psychotic Ninja
Bummerdude
OmegaMe
Daethar
The Instrument of GAWD
Miletus
Kal aMari
chez dogulov
Less Ashamed Of Self
Polo
The Coop
Spunodi

[Dafydd]

I'll order them by name. Thanks for listing them for me.

[Dafydd]

I know I saved a backup of the first post somewhere, but I seem to have lost it...

EDIT: Polo, you are my secretary and nanny. I found a file with the guidelines that you'd uploaded back on page 70. Now I just need to find the original first post quote...

EDIT 2: I found my backup. Apparently, searching for all files on C: includes anything in "My Documents" but nothing in any folders on the desktop. Weird...

I'm pretty happy with the main page now. I probably need to edit some stuff, but overall, do you think there's anything missing? Or are there any errors you'd like to point out?

[Darklink42]

I was kind of wondering what happened to this. Will we ever be seeing the proposed picture links, and has DJP been kind enough to grace us with his thoughts yet?

In regards to errors, I'm satisfied with my comb through, so I'll leave anything I missed to the eager masses when they eventually get to check this out.

[Dafydd]

Well, djp has indicated that the site might be getting a substantial upgrade soon. I asked him about the mascot clickability feature and he said that it should be done soon, but he might have meant the project, not knowing who I am. We'd probably be better off asking Liontamer. I think the whole thing should be up and running this summer. Right now, there's really not much I can do, other than nag...

[Polo]

I'm pretty happy with the main page now. I probably need to edit some stuff, but overall, do you think there's anything missing? Or are there any errors you'd like to point out?
Lookin' comprehensive on the front lines, soldier. I fixed 4 minor details (just to get them out of the way):

1) "...clicking either of their images..." (referring to the mascots' images)
2) "...the one who wrote them, The Coop..." (capital T)
3) "All games that this character is in and that has ReMixes on the site..." (since djp coined the capital R and M version of the word remix)
4) "DarkeSword turned a thread titled..." (changed from "titelled")

And here's some other stuff to consider...

- I double-checked with The Coop, and essentially the first mascots appeared when OCR 4, i.e. the new design, was launched (May 23, 2004). And there's been 152 mascot images since July 15, 2007 (LT posted the rookies on page 72). So if you'd like to accurate-ize your first paragraph, you may do so accordingly.

- As a general rule, I'd link to a username only once. Linking it more than that gets distracting and unnecessary. So I suggest linking to djp, DS, and your profile only in the Credits section.

If you feel you deserve to be mentioned here, and aren't already, just say so.
I see this as opening a can of worms, i.e. people saying "I posted in this thread when it was sexually referenced lol" or "I showed the difference between mascot A and mascot B" or something similarly moot. "The many supporters", I think, should cover everyone saying "Good idea, I support this" and "I'd like to point out an error..." and all. Plus, even without the above sentence, those serious about asking for noted credit would do so.

[Dafydd]

Good points. Also, avatar lol.

I misspelled "their"? What did I write, "there"? Hanging around online seems to make my spelling worse, amazingly enough.

EDIT: Ah, "the". Yeah, "their" is a lot clearer. Thanks.

I changed the first section a little bit.

[Dafydd]

Man, wrapping this project up is just about the most unglamorous and anticlimactic thing I've ever done.

[Polo]

We need an image edit to pass the time. Enjoy.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/polo_83/Robot_Chicken_mascots.jpg

[Dafydd]

Eheheh

What a load of work!

Anyway, I'm going on a 2-month vacation in 2 weeks and won't be able to check back in here very often at all during that time. I wonder when this will all be over...

EDIT: By the way, anything in San Francisco you can recommend seeing? Other than the obvious tourist sites, I mean...

[Polo]

Nothing in particular. In my experience, it's more rewarding to hike through the city and get spectacular views from the steep hills and outskirts. And anyway, I'm sure the tourist sites you speak of (Golden Gate Bridge? Pier 39? Chinatown? Japantown? a museum or two?) should keep you occupied on your visit.

If djp implements the mascot clickability feature while you're gone (might happen, you never know), I'll guard the fort with my life. Sir! *salutes*

[Dafydd]

I know you will.

[Darklink42]

Thread revival!

And the long wait continues. Any further progress been made since May?

[Polo]

Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and Final Fantasy XII have been linked in their respective bios thanks to the new ReMixes that cover them.

Clickability coding-wise, only djp can answer that.

We're otherwise done.

[The Coop]

So to sum it up...


Coming Soon(ish)

[Dafydd]

We can't really do much right now (other than update bios when remixes from previously uncovered games are added to the site), it's really up to teh Pretzel. I have no idea how far he's come with implementing clickability, and he's kinda hard to get a hold of. Considering that he has 0 posts in this thread, this functionality is probably not at the top of his prio list (even though Liontamer probably tells him all he needs to know about us, DJP is still the guy who has to write the new code).

[Dafydd]

Time
goes
by


so
slowly

time
goes
by


so
slowly

[da capo]

[Dafydd]

This sucks.

[Gollgagh]

so in the meantime for this to get coded, is the info anywhere where the curious can access it?

[Dafydd]

so in the meantime for this to get coded, is the info anywhere where the curious can access it?

It's right here on the site. I don't know if I'm allowed to tell you where exactly, but you'll probably figure it out soon enough anyway. Otherwise, ask Larry. And ask him to whip Dave a little for me, will ya?

[Polo]

so in the meantime for this to get coded, is the info anywhere where the curious can access it?
http://www.ocremix.org/info/Category:Mascots

On the About Us page, under Community and Site Projects.

[Dafydd]

I just read this...

Deciding on a concept you are happy with is important, because you'll be running with it for several months, perhaps even over a year.

No kidding. Is there any project on OCR, completed or not, that's been running for LESS than a year?

[Txai]

Well, Kong in Concert was done within 5 months, so I guess there's that.

Also, it took only a summer to Relics of the Chozo.

[Dafydd]

Really? I didn't know. Thanks for the head-up...

[Murmeli Walan]

Well, Kong in Concert was done within 5 months, so I guess there's that.

Also, it took only a summer to Relics of the Chozo.

Which is interesting, considering those were the first OCR album projects. It seems that as more albums come out, it takes longer and longer to produce them.

Also, RotC wasn't over 5 hours long. ;)