World of Warcraft

[suzumebachi]

Ok so blizzard just rebooted all the realms in order to apply a 'critical fix'. If you're wondering what could be so critical, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8mvN2pgpU). Man, if only I had known, I would have so respecced my brother's warrior and gone and soloed ZG or something. Or one-shot Vandaar and actually won an AV for once. Sure his account would be banned for eternity, but it'd be fun.

[AmericanHolyMan]

Alexstrazsa / AmericanHolyMan / Slayre / Orc / Warrior

[The Author]

Can you explain the actual bug?

[suzumebachi]

Rampage, the new level 50 fury talent, was severely bugged. I'm not sure what caused the bugged state, but I think it had to do with dueling (the way you kill something but it doesn't die might have to do with it) but basically what happens is the buff stacks an infinite number of times, allowing you to do absolutely incredible amounts of damage (think millions). Also it wasn't expiring for some reason, because each time you attacked the buff was refreshed (which also wasn't supposed to happen) so if you continue killing stuff, you can continue doing massive damage. Before blizzard fixed it, people were able to literally solo all the end-game instances, capable of one-shotting even nefarian or kel'thuzad.

[The Xyco]

Woosh. That's one helluva bug to go unchecked, even for such a short period of time.

The determination of WoW's players to find and use exploits has never ceased to amaze me.

Well poop. I've been doing nothing but AV lately, and I've still yet to win even ONE. 0 wins, 31 losses. It'd be nice if I could even win one. Just one. It's all I ask.
Alternatively, I've been reaping the benefits. In my quest to finally get an IBS, I came in on an AV that took maybe took 15 minutes to end in victory.

[suzumebachi]

You must play alliance.

[Fire in the Hole]

You must play alliance.

Taken out of context this is a very compelling argument for me to throw away my money once again...

:?

I guess I can't hope that my courseworkload lightens next semester or else I'll find myself with no excuse to avoid restarting WoW.

[Blake]

I got a bitchin comp, amd athlon 64 dual core 4200 and a gig of ram.

Can someone tell me why Oblivion runs like a charm while WoW runs at 8 fps? Apparently Blizzard can't.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=DCE76E7F3D24879140F73730973 C1DC2?topicId=55827670&sid=1&pageNo=10

[Raenok]

Strangely emough, on Alleria, the Horde wins AV in equal amounts. I forgot what the strategy was according to a guildmate, but I believed it involved zerging everything, and keeping a few at guard.

I think.

Oh, and I am an Orc Hunter, not a Shaman.

[Captain Huge!]

Im playing an Orc Shaman on Wildhammer,named Prntscrn, and I was wondering if I should get and use DW as soon as possible or if I should wait till I'm closer to 60 when I have access to much better gear, or just not get it at all and stick with my 2 handers. Currently I'm 22 and going for 2H enhancement build.

[Drack]

I don't think I've mentioned it before, but my hometown friends had made me play WoW with them. I humored them and bought it (this was over the summer), played for my free month, and quit - by this time I was a level 50 priest (I had made the most of that month).

I quit because I did not want an MMO to consume my life as it has every WoW/EQ player I knew (I'm an EQ veteran -- also what my friends played before 2005 -- and I want NONE of that ever again).

So I was visiting them a couple days ago and lo and behold, they give me a 60 day WoW game card. I hear pvp and such (honor system, talents) are much improved and from what I can tell, it's true.

After getting my interface mods back in order - I sorely miss Serenity (priest Necrosis) and a non-buggy Benecast - I ground ST for a while and have found it surprisingly fun ... but pugs still suck :(

I have a guild of players -- actually one of Durotan's top raiding horde guilds (I got in because they were my guild in EQ way back before WoW existed) and hometown friends I may never see again -- I go to college in a different state and my family is moving -- pushing me to get 60 etc, but I don't want another MMO to consume my life.

Is WoW rewarding in short periods of time, on and off, at 60? I realize the impending expansion is going to change all this, but I don't want another EverQuest, where you could only advance a character past a certain point by playing long stretches and devoting hours and hours each week to huge guild raids. A casual player literally couldn't get past a certain point, and that point in character progression was extremely gimp, blocking all the new and cool content from even being attempted.

If I'm going to play a game because friends/guild want me to, I want to know if it can be enjoyable if played casually, because even if I do play this some more, I'm not going to devote huge amounts of time to it.

[Fire in the Hole]

If I'm going to play a game because friends/guild want me to, I want to know if it can be enjoyable if played casually, because even if I do play this some more, I'm not going to devote huge amounts of time to it.

This is actually the question I'm waiting to see answered with the expansion in mind as well. As badly as I want to play it, I don't want to spend the money on the expansion and the first month only to find out it won't be rewarding for the amount of time I would actually have to devote to it. I don't think there will really be an answer until a little while after it comes out.

My high school ripped off your school's mascot FYI.

[suzumebachi]

Wait, so the expansion isn't coming with a free month of gameplay?

[Fire in the Hole]

Wait, so the expansion isn't coming with a free month of gameplay?

I dunno. Is it? If it does, that will greatly increase the likelihood of my purchasing it.

[Raenok]

Well, I got banned from the forums of WoW today. The reason? Spamming and trolling the General board.

Now, all I did was made a mock topic about how Priest healing was overpowered. First one, I didn't realized until too late, was deleted as a "warning". I didn't see it, so I thought that the process didn't go through, causing no thread to be made. So, in massive stupidity, I made another. 3 posts, Banned and locked.

So, what am I going to do about it? Nothing. It's only one day, and I shall wait until the time is up, and post on like nothing happened. If anyone tries to yell at me for it, I'll just say it was a joke that I realized too late it wasn't funny to anyone, and I will not try to do that again.

If I find the CM who banned me encouraging them to berate me, then I shall report the CM, and hope she is properly punished for her abuse.

[Fire in the Hole]

internet lol

even worse, WoW forums lol

[Blazer]

Wait, so the expansion isn't coming with a free month of gameplay?

I'd be surprised if it didn't. Most other games' expansions come with a month of game time.

[sephfire]

Finally found time to log back in for a bit. I'll be present far more often once the expansion releases.

[Fire in the Hole]

I'd be surprised if it didn't. Most other games' expansions come with a month of game time.

If it applies here, then I'll definitely be picking it up. Maybe not right away (it will probably go on sale somewhere for $35 or maybe even with a $10 gift card a week or two after release), but definitely.

[OA]

I've decided to roll a BE pally and take him all the way to 70.

So far my prep farming has included a ton of mail armor and 2h weapons level 10-30. I've thrown fiery on a few of the weapons, including a level 1 vendor trash 1h mace to power through 1-10.
I have a ton of potions and sharpening stones as well. Never thought i'd be a powerlevel dude, but here I am. :P

[Soma]

nevermind i fixed it. So i haven't reserved burning crusade anywhere. How difficult do you think it will be to get the special edition? i think my only hope may be Bestbuy.

[Sporknight]

This is actually the question I'm waiting to see answered with the expansion in mind as well. As badly as I want to play it, I don't want to spend the money on the expansion and the first month only to find out it won't be rewarding for the amount of time I would actually have to devote to it. I don't think there will really be an answer until a little while after it comes out.

My high school ripped off your school's mascot FYI.

http://jadefury.blogspot.com/2006/12/burning-question-what-to-expect.html

Mini-blog from a beta tester that should help with answering your questions. I'm excited, because about every zone in BC will have a 5man instance, built in wings, so it'll be real easy to work thru them and get what you want, instead of trekking thru the same 2 hours to get the one boss that you need.

My guild is not raiding material (unless you count UBRS), and we have a hard enough time scraping together enough ppl for ZG, so I'm looking forewards to the inclusion of many more 5mans. We are growing and stuff, but still, it can be frustrating at times. I roll with a gnome lock on Staghelm, demo spec, with about 330 +shadow damage or so with buffs. I'm looking forewards to being able to upgrade my gear pretty quickly and easily, lemme tell ya. Shame it gets released a week after I go back to school...

[suzumebachi]

Free server transfers are up for those of us on Illidan. Are any of you gonna transfer? If you are, you have until the 16th to decide. I haven't decided yet...

Anyways the destination realm for those on Illidan is Nazjatar, a Pacific PVP realm in the Shadowburn battlegroup.

:confused:

[Fire in the Hole]

Any word yet on whether the expansion will include another free month? Because if so, I'm damned itching to blow money on this over Diddy Kong Racing DS.

[Sinergy]

Quit WoW while you still can! I had 110 days played on my main alone, got him full t2 plus some 2.5 and decided to call it quits once I realized how much of a waste of time it is. I tried ebaying my account, and with 2 hours left and a $600 bid my listing got cancelled by ebay =\

[Fire in the Hole]

When was the last time any video game did anything besides entertain its audience that wasn't a waste of time? You, sir, are an idiot.

[sephfire]

When was the last time any video game did anything besides entertain its audience that wasn't a waste of time? You, sir, are an idiot.

Well said.

[Sinergy]

When was the last time any video game did anything besides entertain its audience that wasn't a waste of time? You, sir, are an idiot.

...Okay

When was the last time a game took days from your life on a set schedule because you had to either raid or do hours and hours of PvP grinding just to get decent gear? Point being is that WoW is a colossal waste of time as opposed to any other game you can pick up and play at your own leisure... but then again some of us have work and school outside of WoW, so I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

[Blake]

...Okay

When was the last time a game took days from your life on a set schedule because you had to either raid or do hours and hours of PvP grinding just to get decent gear? Point being is that WoW is a colossal waste of time as opposed to any other game you can pick up and play at your own leisure... but then again some of us have work and school outside of WoW, so I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

I have work, school, and a social life to boot. I also have time to play WoW.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

...Okay

When was the last time a game took days from your life on a set schedule because you had to either raid or do hours and hours of PvP grinding just to get decent gear? Point being is that WoW is a colossal waste of time as opposed to any other game you can pick up and play at your own leisure... but then again some of us have work and school outside of WoW, so I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

shut up...go troll somewere else

[Fire in the Hole]

...Okay

When was the last time a game took days from your life on a set schedule because you had to either raid or do hours and hours of PvP grinding just to get decent gear? Point being is that WoW is a colossal waste of time as opposed to any other game you can pick up and play at your own leisure... but then again some of us have work and school outside of WoW, so I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

The problem is that you are generalizing, which is an idiotic thing to do. There are people who waste away, spending all their time playing WoW, but there are people who spend all their playing other video games, watching TV, or reading shitty romance novels, none of which offer any objectively "better" rewards for devotion. Then there are the people who very easily lead normal lives while still, gasp, playing WoW, because they enjoy it. And please, don't try to feed me any crap about how "you can only be good if you spend 20 hours a week raiding for epic gear." You can say the same about StarCraft, in which you can play casual games or spend six hours a day perfecting your Zerg strategy. There will always be different consequences for different people in different situations--so don't diss the game, diss the fools who abuse and break it.

I can see this and I don't even play WoW any more. Now GTFO.

[Psychonaut]

The problem is that you are generalizing, which is an idiotic thing to do. There are people who waste away, spending all their time playing WoW, but there are people who spend all their playing other video games, watching TV, or reading shitty romance novels, none of which offer any objectively "better" rewards for devotion. Then there are the people who very easily lead normal lives while still, gasp, playing WoW, because they enjoy it. And please, don't try to feed me any crap about how "you can only be good if you spend 20 hours a week raiding for epic gear." You can say the same about StarCraft, in which you can play casual games or spend six hours a day perfecting your Zerg strategy. There will always be different consequences for different people in different situations--so don't diss the game, diss the fools who abuse and break it.

I can see this and I don't even play WoW any more. Now GTFO.

Additionally, the "you've got to either raid for hours and hours or spend hours and hours PvPing" mentality is a cliche' and not actually the case. With the changes to the honor system and cross-realm battlegrounds, casual PvPers can still attain the best rewards, it just takes a little longer. Casual raiding is a little more difficult to pull off because it requires a guild suited to that sort of thing, but that will change with the expansion, and it's already doable as-is. I and virtually every one of my friends play very little compared to most players but we sign on and get shit done in a fast, efficient way.

[The Author]

WoW is for when I have downtimes in my social life.

Or, as it was recently, when I have budget restraints. Over time I have realised that WoW is cheaper than me getting bored and becoming an impulse buyer.

I don't spend all my time playing WoW. I spend my time where I have nothing to do playing however.

[D-Lux]

I completed many things last night that I've been meaning to finish for a while:

A) Got the last 1410 rep needed to become Exalted with Zandalar Tribe. Got a sweet neckpiece, too.
B) Finished collecting the last bit of materials I needed to get to 300 jewelcrafting. It's a long list (and expensive too).
C) Cleaned out the junk on my characters so I'd have space for all the cool new stuff in the expansion.
D) Got my 3rd PvP item on my druid so he runs faster in cat form :)
E) Leveled my Fishing skill to 300. My suggestion: find someone as crazy as you if you plan to do this grind.
F) Leveled my Cooking skill to 300 (thanks to the Spotted Yellowtail in Booty Bay).

I'm ready for the expansion. Are you?

[Fire in the Hole]

Could someone who is getting this tonight/tomorrow please confirm whether it comes with another free month before losing him or herself to its dazzling pleasures?

[OA]

Picking up he expansion tonight. I have a mage friend who is going to port my new blood elf paladin, "Legaylas" out of the BE starting area and into good old durotar so I can actually level and not wait an hour for something to pop up while fighting against all the others.
Several other friends are making blood elf paladins as well, and we are creating a guild called "The Fab Five". We plan on giving fashion makeovers to the horde who need them. If only we could help fix people's terrible posture..

[D-Lux]

Could someone who is getting this tonight/tomorrow please confirm whether it comes with another free month before losing him or herself to its dazzling pleasures?

No, The Burning Crusade does not come with extra time.

[Fire in the Hole]

Blizzard :(

[GeckoYamori]

The launch went better than expected. No server issues on this end. Other than that it's pretty much as I had predicted, the Alliance ratio has plummeted down to 40% and the Blood Elf start area is severly operpopulated.

[OA]

On our server most people went straight for outland.
I made a BE pally and brought him to durotar. I got to level 14 before it was time for work. Pretty fun so far, I like freaking people out with pally buffs randomly.

[Blake]

So compared to the original world's continents, how big is outland? Is it as big as one of the original continets? Twice as big? Smaller? I'd like to know.

[i <3 robots]

Well it took a day but the servers finally crashed.
Rolling restarts tonight. At least I got some good quest rewards before the crash(es). If the greens are this good can you imagine what the blues and purples are gonna be like?

[bladiator]

Got my BE Pally "Badabing" up to 13 last night. There was a 25 pally already that evening on Gorefiend. Friggin no lifes. I want to be him. :( But instead I'm at work.

FEMALE pally btw. Rawr.

[Arek the Absolute]

No, blad, not you too.
This game is indeed the virus of the online gaming world.
Flee! Flee while you can from this madness!

aka i finally stopped playing so i could focus on school : /

[Weigraf]

I found this on joystiq, someone has already hit level 70. It took him 28 hours after the expansion from what the article said. That seems freaking crazy, now he will have to wait for people to catch up to him to do stuff.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/17/28-hours-later-warcraft-gets-its-first-level-70/

[parasoul]

I found this on joystiq, someone has already hit level 70. It took him 28 hours after the expansion from what the article said. That seems freaking crazy, now he will have to wait for people to catch up to him to do stuff.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/17/28-hours-later-warcraft-gets-its-first-level-70/

That's pretty awesome. I read the interview with him also. It was a coordinated guild effort. 40 people helped him power-level during those 28 hours. Congratulations to him and to his guild.

[bladiator]

Now he can sit around waiting for all his guild to catch up with him ... fun fun. :)

And yes Arek, me too.

[suzumebachi]

I played my shiny new FEMALE BLOOD ELF PALADIN up to level 14. Funtimes. I like the BE starting area and ghostlands is pretty slick also. the BE starting area is enoooooooourmous. It was extremely populated, but it wasn't a big deal because all the mobs have about a 2 second respawn time. I also got on my hunter and went to outland just to check it out. I have never seen so many epiced out players in one place at one time (there must have been 300 guys lvl 60-63 in thrallmar at any given time). Also, hellfire peninsula is freaking huge. And I like the eternal battle against the demons right outside the portal, that was a nice touch also.

It was all fun and games till the server started lagging and I got disconnected. 3,149 person queue (3 hours) to get back in. Illidan is pretty fucked, and the free transfer period is already over. Hopefully they bring it back or split the server because this is absolutely fucking ludicrous.

[Fire in the Hole]

It's taking all my willpower not to buy BC, resub and take my 54 hunter to 60 and Outlands with my next paycheck. :(

[GeckoYamori]

Navigating Curse-Gaming is a bitch... I'm looking for an addon that simply removes all the art from the main bar. I know I had one before, but I reinstalled the game.

[suzumebachi]

Navigating Curse-Gaming is a bitch... I'm looking for an addon that simply removes all the art from the main bar. I know I had one before, but I reinstalled the game.

I have one that does that. It's called trinity bars. It not only removes all the art, but it lets you place the bars wherever you want, and bind any key to any button. And some other stuff. And crud.

[OA]

3149?

Yes, Illidan is fucked.

I slept as soon as I got home from work until it was time for work again, so no playing, but I heard Feathermoon's server crashed a few times. We'll see how it's doing today after work.

[Sporknight]

I have one that does that. It's called trinity bars. It not only removes all the art, but it lets you place the bars wherever you want, and bind any key to any button. And some other stuff. And crud.

CT_RaidAssist and CT Mod let you do that as well. I rarely raid, to be honest, and I disable the whole bar-moving-around deal, but it does remove the artwork (if you have the bar moving option on), and give you some other nifty features. The mass-mailing one is a must, for when I'm mailing 20 stacks of bullets from my engineer to my hunter, and it turns your buff/debuff timers into bars, and organizes them by duration, which is handy. Like I said, though, my guild really doesn't raid, but if we ever work up enough people for it I figure I'll have it on hand.

I did use a nifty mod called DoTimer, which lets me track how long my dots (I play a warlock) have left, before they wear out. Sadly, it hasn't been updated since 2.0.3, so I'm keeping my eyes on that one.

[GeckoYamori]

I swear, the Exodar was modeled after planet Krypton.

[Blake]

bought it. gonna d/l the update patch before i install.

[Fraggy]

I haven't gotten Burning Crusade yet... I didn't really see the point in it unless my Druid was at level 60. It's at 48 right now. That and because I'm lazy. Should I really go out and get it if I don't plan on making a new character just for the sake of trend?

[Fire in the Hole]

Does anyone here play on a realm other than the one they actually live in? I'm wondering how much lag I'd get trying to play on my old Eastern server from Texas (where we're moving come summer) or Utah (where I'm going to school).

[parasoul]

Does anyone here play on a realm other than the one they actually live in? I'm wondering how much lag I'd get trying to play on my old Eastern server from Texas (where we're moving come summer) or Utah (where I'm going to school).

When I used to play it seemed like half my server was from Australia and I knew several people who lived in Europe (I live in Midwest USA) and they never seemed to have any lag issues. A guy from England was considered the best player on my server I think so he must not have lagged much.

[sephfire]

I swear, /1. General Chat is like watching a GameFAQs board in real time.

Painful.

[Darth Lime]

I went through WC with 2 Blood Elf pallys. They were pretty good. They rezed eachother when they died.

BTW, I'm a 25 Undead Warrior on the Skullcrusher server.

And yes, /1 General is bizzare at times lol.

[Blake]

Really impressed so far. WoW is fun again to me. They changed a lot of sounds, and the composer stepped up the effort a little as far as soundtrack.

[parasoul]

I swear, /1. General Chat is like watching a GameFAQs board in real time.

Painful.

When I used to play it seemed like most people I knew had /1 turned off. I always thought it was a fun channel to watch.

[suzumebachi]

Does anyone here play on a realm other than the one they actually live in? I'm wondering how much lag I'd get trying to play on my old Eastern server from Texas (where we're moving come summer) or Utah (where I'm going to school).

I thought all their servers were in the same location?

[Kanthos]

I haven't gotten Burning Crusade yet... I didn't really see the point in it unless my Druid was at level 60. It's at 48 right now. That and because I'm lazy. Should I really go out and get it if I don't plan on making a new character just for the sake of trend?

Unless you plan on switching to jewelcrafting, probably not. Basically all you get with the expansion is new content in Outland, new characters, and jewelcrafting. Other stuff, like flying mounts, are only obtainable and usable in Outland. So if you can't make it to Outland yet, don't bother. Keep in mind though that it'll be a long time before Burning Crusade's price drops, so while it won't directly benefit you to get Burning Crusade until level 58 (when you can first go through the portal), it won't hurt you much either.

[Bren]

Just got back into it, after 3 months of WoW sobriety, I caved in and reactivated my account a few days before the expansion, and luckily enough, picked up the last unreserved copy of BC from all local stores within a half hour of driving distance.

I can say I'm very much impressed with the new content so far...the dungeons are just leaps and bounds more fun than old ones...perhaps because the new dungeon bosses now act more like raid bosses (magic effects and curses which keep you on your toes, new unpredictable actions, etc.)

Even the Outland overworld is more exciting than most endgame overworlds before the expansion. Such a great improvement from an already great game.

/my2cents

[The Xyco]

I'd love to get back into this game while my PS2 is busy chewing up and scratching the shit out of my games, but the latency from the on-campus connection is extraordinary. I'd be lucky to play with a ping <1500.

Also, I've heard there are way.... waaaaaay too many Blood Elf paladins.

[OA]

Also, I've heard there are way.... waaaaaay too many Blood Elf paladins.

I doubt many will get out of the 30-40 level range, but there are a lot. I think it's extra noticable because they are in the same level range at the moment.

[Kanthos]

I rolled a blood elf mage, but that's because I wanted to make him my main. The only other character I have at the moment is a level 27 troll rogue, made in December with the purpose of making money for my mage when I was able to create him. But yes, Eversong Woods has been packed lately. I read somewhere that Blizzard now has dynamic spawn rates depending on how many people are in range of mobs (or maybe just bosses, I'm not sure), so for any of the quests I did, there wasn't a lot of downtime waiting for respawns.

[Sag Ee Mana]

WoW Expansion Gets First Level 70
With an entire guild's help, player reaches level cap 28 hours later.

-> Frenchie (like me) but with no life (http://www.gametab.com/news/789517/) <-


EDIT : I'd like to add that when I've seen the 494000 exp needed to reach 61, I was worried, but when a quest gives 10000 exp (lol, don't expect to see that often) and a 59-60 mob 900-1000 exp, it's fast. And... Err, maybe the Blood Elves are cute, but be sure I'd like to enjoy the game and not be 70 at the end of the month !!!

[Drack]

WoW Expansion Gets First Level 70
With an entire guild's help, player reaches level cap 28 hours later.

-> Frenchie (like me) but with no life (http://www.gametab.com/news/789517/) <-


EDIT : I'd like to add that when I've seen the 494000 exp needed to reach 61, I was worried, but when a quest gives 10000 exp (lol, don't expect to see that often) and a 59-60 mob 900-1000 exp, it's fast. And... Err, maybe the Blood Elves are cute, but be sure I'd like to enjoy the game and not be 70 at the end of the month !!!

He was the second. There was someone with 27 hours as well.

[Fire in the Hole]

I thought all their servers were in the same location?

And I'm thinking of Battle.net. Christ, now I have to reactivate as soon as possible. And whether I stay my Tauren Hunter as main and level to 60 or roll a BC toon, I'll need to pick up BC as well. There goes $55 out of my next paycheck...

[Blake]

WoW Expansion Gets First Level 70
With an entire guild's help, player reaches level cap 28 hours later.

-> Frenchie (like me) but with no life (http://www.gametab.com/news/789517/) <-


EDIT : I'd like to add that when I've seen the 494000 exp needed to reach 61, I was worried, but when a quest gives 10000 exp (lol, don't expect to see that often) and a 59-60 mob 900-1000 exp, it's fast. And... Err, maybe the Blood Elves are cute, but be sure I'd like to enjoy the game and not be 70 at the end of the month !!!

I like the sheer amount of XP you need to level, because it provides some length to the new expansion challenge.

[GeckoYamori]

Started exploring Outland with my main today. I was one of the few lucky ones who didn't have the rested exp taken away, probably because my character was inactive from months without touching WoW.

I never got into endgame raiding either, which is a good thing considering I got superior equipment within a manner of minutes doing the first quests in Outland.

Also, it just occured to me that almost all of the Blood Elf music sounds very similiar to the Blade Runner soundtrack, just less synthesized. There's also some Film Noir influences, but that was in Blade Runner too.

[ILLiterate]

My best friends are starting up again, and I didn't really play with anyone I liked last time (my whole server hated me, good times) so here I am installing it again. Mabye it'll be better this time on a different server and playing with them...

[Fire in the Hole]

Started exploring Outland with my main today. I was one of the few lucky ones who didn't have the rested exp taken away, probably because my character was inactive from months without touching WoW.

I never got into endgame raiding either, which is a good thing considering I got superior equipment within a manner of minutes doing the first quests in Outland.

Also, it just occured to me that almost all of the Blood Elf music sounds very similiar to the Blade Runner soundtrack, just less synthesized. There's also some Film Noir influences, but that was in Blade Runner too.

Daaammmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[sephfire]

Phew. Our poor Illidan server is packed. Anyone else considered taking advantage of that free server transfer? Perhaps our scattered OCR "clan" should relocate.

Also, characters:
Sephfire (Orc Hunter)
Kirithem (Blood Elf Paladin)

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Phew. Our poor Illidan server is packed. Anyone else considered taking advantage of that free server transfer? Perhaps our scattered OCR "clan" should relocate.

Also, characters:
Sephfire (Orc Hunter)
Kirithem (Blood Elf Paladin)

come to onixya! we got fun, games and a hardcore arena team forming!

[Fire in the Hole]

Daaammmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

I resubbed. :(

[Ramaniscence]

Phew. Our poor Illidan server is packed. Anyone else considered taking advantage of that free server transfer? Perhaps our scattered OCR "clan" should relocate.

Also, characters:
Sephfire (Orc Hunter)
Kirithem (Blood Elf Paladin)

I've heard good things about DarkSpear...seriously considering. Or at least re-rolling there.

Also, it just occured to me that almost all of the Blood Elf music sounds very similiar to the Blade Runner soundtrack, just less synthesized. There's also some Film Noir influences, but that was in Blade Runner too.

I like how 90% of the BE males are Sephiroth, and if you go to that forest South of their village you can hear the cries of the planet =P

[Fire in the Hole]

I resubbed. :(

Holy crap does it take forever to get the game back up to snuff. An hour to reinstall and now I'm looking at an hour to patch.

But sadly, it will be worth it.

[sephfire]

Onyxia, Darkspear ... I'm game for anywhere you guys prefer.

[suzumebachi]

You guys wait till I have a level 21 pally on Illidan to decide you want to play on ANOTHER server? I even convinced my brother to reroll there. What the hell!?!?!

On Illidan:
Wolfenleid, 58 Orc Hunter
Composure, 21 BE Pally


Also, World Server is down as of 9:11pm EST Friday January 19, 2007.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

You guys wait till I have a level 21 pally on Illidan to decide you want to play on ANOTHER server? I even convinced my brother to reroll there. What the hell!?!?!

On Illidan:
Wolfenleid, 58 Orc Hunter
Composure, 21 BE Pally


Also, World Server is down as of 9:11pm EST Friday January 19, 2007.

you said your server is full of queues and lag...well onyxia and...well darkspear as far as i know...don't have any
onixya has teh advantage of being new..so that means even less lag

[suzumebachi]

I haven't seen a queue since the day after patch day, and the lag is getting better now with lots of people transfering off. Free transfers are open AGAIN for Illidan, this time to The Underbog (Central time PvP realm). If you guys want to transfer, for fuck's sake, say something before the deadline on tuesday.

[Fire in the Hole]

Jesus Christ, how many separate patches does Blizz need to deliver? Why can't they roll it all into one for the poor resubs?

[sephfire]

You guys wait till I have a level 21 pally on Illidan to decide you want to play on ANOTHER server? I even convinced my brother to reroll there. What the hell!?!?!

Blizzard's offering free server transfers for a limited time. Beats re-rolling, that's for sure.

[Fire in the Hole]

Why transfer off if everyone else is? I mean, as long as the situation is improving, there's no need to move.

Almost got the last patch... maybe I'll see some playtime tonight.

[suzumebachi]

Blizzard's offering free server transfers for a limited time. Beats re-rolling, that's for sure.

Free server transfers to a SPECIFIC server. NOT to Onyxia or wherever.

[sephfire]

Ooooooohhh. Yeah, forget it. I'll wait it out.

[Fire in the Hole]

Man, I don't even know what to do with myself in this game. I'm almost to 55, at which point my confusion over what to do if I run out of shells is solved, but after that it's going to be a sort of aimless grind to 60... there's hardly even anyone looking to do instances right now, despite Shadowsong being so overpopulated, because most everyone has jumped to Outland already and won't see the light of Azeroth for a while.

I'm thinking I should just abandon these quests in Mara, ZF and ST that I've been holding onto for the past year and a half...

I don't even know what guild I ought to join if I even could without being 60 at this point. Maybe I should take the transfer to Blade's Edge and see how things look from a fresh perspective.

[OA]

Fire: I say just drop them and move on. It has been hell getting groups for instance for my BE paladin, and that is with the influx of all the new BE alts, so unless you wanted to wait until people caught up to you, just quest until you are 58 and then hit outland yourself. The amount of EXP and the quality of the items you get there is crazy, and then you can meet up with pretty much everyone on your server.

I have been using a super awesome leveling guide to keep things efficient, and have not only done a bunch of quests that I missed on previous characters, but have cut my levelling time in half.
My paladin is level 30 now, with about 1 day, 8 hours /played.
I guess that means I've been playing way too much this week. :P

horde:
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/754

alliance:
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/599

[Fire in the Hole]

Yeah, I'm dropping Mara (too many items taking up too much bank space) and ZF (only one quest and don't care for the reward), but I'll hold out for ST another level or two. Working in Azshara and now Winterspring has actually been pretty fast levelling. 55, almost 56 already.

[Fire in the Hole]

It seems everyone is tucked away playing now...

I bought TBC. :( Halfway to 58, and then I can find out if this whole thing has been a good decision.

I've been collecting some 57-60 greens from Outland off the AH, and damn are they good. The "of the Bandit" mod is godlike for Hunters (as is, IIRC, "of the Beast.") Also, I bought 57 req Felscale Gloves (HUGE agi + attack power bonus), looking at the great set bonuses (crit rating for 2, stamina for 4), only to find out the other pieces of the set are 61, 63 and 66 reqs, and are leatherwork recipes anyway. While this is good news for my obtaining them in the near future, I feel like I wasted about 3g. Meh.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

It seems everyone is tucked away playing now...

I bought TBC. :( Halfway to 58, and then I can find out if this whole thing has been a good decision.

I've been collecting some 57-60 greens from Outland off the AH, and damn are they good. The "of the Bandit" mod is godlike for Hunters (as is, IIRC, "of the Beast.") Also, I bought 57 req Felscale Gloves (HUGE agi + attack power bonus), looking at the great set bonuses (crit rating for 2, stamina for 4), only to find out the other pieces of the set are 61, 63 and 66 reqs, and are leatherwork recipes anyway. While this is good news for my obtaining them in the near future, I feel like I wasted about 3g. Meh.

i just got TBC today...and all i have to say is.....hellfire peninsula alone was worth every penny i spent in the game

[Fire in the Hole]

outlandomg

[Arek the Absolute]

Fire: I say just drop them and move on. It has been hell getting groups for instance for my BE paladin, and that is with the influx of all the new BE alts, so unless you wanted to wait until people caught up to you, just quest until you are 58 and then hit outland yourself. The amount of EXP and the quality of the items you get there is crazy, and then you can meet up with pretty much everyone on your server.

I have been using a super awesome leveling guide to keep things efficient, and have not only done a bunch of quests that I missed on previous characters, but have cut my levelling time in half.
My paladin is level 30 now, with about 1 day, 8 hours /played.
I guess that means I've been playing way too much this week. :P

horde:
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/754

alliance:
http://www.wow-pro.com/node/599

The links refuse to work for me.

[OA]

The links refuse to work for me.

Their server has issues staying up. I was on there last night so I am pretty sure I have it cached. If I can pull it up, i'll host it for you. I just hit 40 last night, so I know I have the 31-40 and 41-50 pages.

[Arek the Absolute]

Their server has issues staying up. I was on there last night so I am pretty sure I have it cached. If I can pull it up, i'll host it for you. I just hit 40 last night, so I know I have the 31-40 and 41-50 pages.
Please do, if you don't mind. I would really appreciate it.
Horde plz :D

[suzumebachi]

Illidan is back in working order. Dunno what Blizzard changed but it works fine now, no queues or lag.

Anyways I'm 62 now, doing some quests in Zangarmarsh.

I think I'm doing something wrong though, because it takes me an amazingly, amazingly, amazingly long time to level. 58-60 was nothing, I did that in one 8 hour session. 60-61 on the other hand.............................................. .............. /wrists. First mob I killed yielded something like 500xp, so I checked my stats mod to see how many kills to level. 2429. So it took me 3 days of endless grinding and quests to hit 61. 5 more days to hit 62. I figure I'm looking at a solid week to hit 63 (two days into it so far). Meanwhile, my guild leader goes from 61-64 in a day... what the fuck is going on?

[Fire in the Hole]

Illidan is back in working order. Dunno what Blizzard changed but it works fine now, no queues or lag.

Anyways I'm 62 now, doing some quests in Zangarmarsh.

I think I'm doing something wrong though, because it takes me an amazingly, amazingly, amazingly long time to level. 58-60 was nothing, I did that in one 8 hour session. 60-61 on the other hand.............................................. .............. /wrists. First mob I killed yielded something like 500xp, so I checked my stats mod to see how many kills to level. 2429. So it took me 3 days of endless grinding and quests to hit 61. 5 more days to hit 62. I figure I'm looking at a solid week to hit 63 (two days into it so far). Meanwhile, my guild leader goes from 61-64 in a day... what the fuck is going on?

That seems odd. It took me a couple of hours, not even focused on grinding, to go 58-59 in Hellfire. With rested xp, every mob yielded over 1k xp, and quests were giving 6k-9k xp each (I only turned in about 4 quests, too, plus the silly travel quests they give you right out of the Portal to get you out and about in the region). I can't speak for 60+ yet, so... I don't know.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Illidan is back in working order. Dunno what Blizzard changed but it works fine now, no queues or lag.

Anyways I'm 62 now, doing some quests in Zangarmarsh.

I think I'm doing something wrong though, because it takes me an amazingly, amazingly, amazingly long time to level. 58-60 was nothing, I did that in one 8 hour session. 60-61 on the other hand.............................................. .............. /wrists. First mob I killed yielded something like 500xp, so I checked my stats mod to see how many kills to level. 2429. So it took me 3 days of endless grinding and quests to hit 61. 5 more days to hit 62. I figure I'm looking at a solid week to hit 63 (two days into it so far). Meanwhile, my guild leader goes from 61-64 in a day... what the fuck is going on?

it took you 7 days to get 62? you have some serious lvling issues..got BC 5 days ago...i lvld from 57-64

doing terokkar forest now...very awesome there! zangamrash was nicer tho
tommorow i hope to hit lvl 65 and go do nagrand

[Ramaniscence]

Illidan is back in working order. Dunno what Blizzard changed but it works fine now, no queues or lag.

Anyways I'm 62 now, doing some quests in Zangarmarsh.

I think I'm doing something wrong though, because it takes me an amazingly, amazingly, amazingly long time to level. 58-60 was nothing, I did that in one 8 hour session. 60-61 on the other hand.............................................. .............. /wrists. First mob I killed yielded something like 500xp, so I checked my stats mod to see how many kills to level. 2429. So it took me 3 days of endless grinding and quests to hit 61. 5 more days to hit 62. I figure I'm looking at a solid week to hit 63 (two days into it so far). Meanwhile, my guild leader goes from 61-64 in a day... what the fuck is going on?

Speaking if Illidan, Adrienne bought BC and started up a warrior, ftw. I've been levelling my Pally but I never seen you on. What's the deal, yo?

[suzumebachi]

Doug, what's your pally's name?

My toons on Illidan:

Wolfenleid (lvl 62 orc hunter)
Composure (lvl 29 blood elf paladin)
Spectral (lvl lowbie blood elf rogue)
Bismuth (lvl lowbie undead priest)

also, my brother rolled on Illidan:

Brana (lvl 32 blood elf paladin)

And as I said earlier, 58-60 was nothing. I did that in an afternoon in the plaguelands. But 60+ is a bitch for some reason. Maybe I'm not getting as much xp as I should be for some reason? Most mobs give me 300-500xp without rest, quest turnins anywhere from 6,000-10,000 xp.

Probably has something to do with that horrid hunter nerf last patch. My DPS has been reduced about 45%, and that's AFTER getting new outlands gear.

[Ramaniscence]

Reemaniscenc because I ran out of letters and didn't really care about my name, lol

Adrienne is like Gaelle or some shit. She's an undead warrior.

[Zero_Infiniti]

My roommate got it for christmas and my computer is the only one that can run it. we've both been playing, but later when he gets his own computer, or i get a laptop, i'm going to buy the game and create my own account...it'll suck cause i can't switch my character over, but i figure i'll restart my BE Mage anyway, i've barely played her and instead been playing my undead warlock.

I play on Dunemaul, name's Alkaid, undead warlock. but judging by the first page, no one plays on Dunemaul...oh well, i'll play with my bro and my roommate and some of my bro's friends.


PS: Oh and Horde ftw!

[OA]

Please do, if you don't mind. I would really appreciate it.
Horde plz :D

Go nuts dude, i'll grab 40-50 when i can if the site continues to be a problem. Ignore the stuff at the beginning and end, i just grabbed the source and didnt edit out all of the extra page stuff. sill very readable.

http://oceansend.com/5502/wowguide/21-31.htm
http://oceansend.com/5502/wowguide/31-40.htm

This guide is sweet, i just hit 40 on my BE paladin with 2 days, 13 hours /played.

[Kanthos]

My roommate got it for christmas and my computer is the only one that can run it. we've both been playing, but later when he gets his own computer, or i get a laptop, i'm going to buy the game and create my own account...it'll suck cause i can't switch my character over, but i figure i'll restart my BE Mage anyway, i've barely played her and instead been playing my undead warlock.

I play on Dunemaul, name's Alkaid, undead warlock. but judging by the first page, no one plays on Dunemaul...oh well, i'll play with my bro and my roommate and some of my bro's friends.


PS: Oh and Horde ftw!

If you feel like paying for it, I think you might be able to transfer characters between accounts using Blizzard's paid transfer thing.

[GeckoYamori]

I'm going to try dual-wielding with my shaman. The quartermaster in Hellfire Peninsula sells a very nice blue axe with 1.60 attack speed, and it's One-Hand so I can get two of them. The Orc +5 axe racial will also help.

From what I've heard you can put Windfury on both weapon, and Shamanistic Rage will proc much more often giving you a lot of mana.

[Rodin]

Doug, what's your pally's name?

My toons on Illidan:

Wolfenleid (lvl 62 orc hunter)
Composure (lvl 29 blood elf paladin)
Spectral (lvl lowbie blood elf rogue)
Bismuth (lvl lowbie undead priest)

also, my brother rolled on Illidan:

Brana (lvl 32 blood elf paladin)

And as I said earlier, 58-60 was nothing. I did that in an afternoon in the plaguelands. But 60+ is a bitch for some reason. Maybe I'm not getting as much xp as I should be for some reason? Most mobs give me 300-500xp without rest, quest turnins anywhere from 6,000-10,000 xp.

Probably has something to do with that horrid hunter nerf last patch. My DPS has been reduced about 45%, and that's AFTER getting new outlands gear.

That's why I'm a BM hunter right now - the hunter nerf barely touched me. Pre-PVP change DPS: 120. Post-PVP change DPS: 190
Current DPS: 230. At least, that's my base DPS shown on the character sheet, since I don't have any stat mods running. Even using just those numbers though, when I pop all my cooldowns my DPS + my pet's exceeds 600.





Oh, and 37 DPS shells ftw.

[Zero_Infiniti]

If you feel like paying for it, I think you might be able to transfer characters between accounts using Blizzard's paid transfer thing.

no, they said both accounts have to have the same last name, basically they have to be owned by the same person. since i'd be using my credit card to pay, i couldn't use his name, nor do i want too. regardless, nice thought though. besides its not like i don't know his password, i'll get what i need from them when i start a new character and go from there. i'm just enjoying the experience and learning the game play so when i do start my account i'll be ready.

[suzumebachi]

no, they said both accounts have to have the same last name, basically they have to be owned by the same person. since i'd be using my credit card to pay, i couldn't use his name, nor do i want too. regardless, nice thought though. besides its not like i don't know his password, i'll get what i need from them when i start a new character and go from there. i'm just enjoying the experience and learning the game play so when i do start my account i'll be ready.


same LAST name? oh shit, time to transfer my druid off my brother's account.


...someone lend me $40.

[GeckoYamori]

I am already so tired of seeing those fucking blood elf girls running around. They look so frail you'd think you could tear their limbs off with little to no effort. That's just not healthy. What kind of message is Blizzard trying to send here?

[Fire in the Hole]

I am already so tired of seeing those fucking blood elf girls running around. They look so frail you'd think you could tear their limbs off with little to no effort. That's just not healthy. What kind of message is Blizzard trying to send here?

<3 my fem blood elf mage

Also, Suzu, 60-61 is taking much more time, but not quite the time you describe... Of course, I also have a good stream of rested xp every time I log, because I only play my main a couple of hours every couple of days.

[suzumebachi]

Level 66 now. Man, 64-66 wasn't nearly as bad as 60-63. Once I hit 64 and got aspect of the viper, my dps and downtime went back to not completely sucking again, so grinding became easier.

Also, I find it interesting that Thrall is in Nagrand and Orgrimmar at the same time. THERE'S TWO THRALLS! Oh, and Nagrand world PvP is awesome. Way cooler than Hellfire Peninsula or the joke that is Auchindoun.

[Fire in the Hole]

I think I'd be more complacent in taking my time to 70 if I didn't keep hearing all these stories of how great Nagrand and Terokkar are.

But at least I'm rolling new alts to distract me.

[suzumebachi]

Nagrand is way cool. It feels like it came straight out of an anime or japanese RPG or something.

[The Author]

Level 70 is fun. I was in Strath with a 63 pally doing epic mount quest. The two of us against all odds.

We won :P

[Solid Krono]

I am already so tired of seeing those fucking blood elf girls running around. They look so frail you'd think you could tear their limbs off with little to no effort. That's just not healthy. What kind of message is Blizzard trying to send here?

That blood elf chicks are lazy bitches that just use magic all the time instead of doing any physical work. Myeah. I'm sure you know real people similar to that.

[Ramaniscence]

Level 66 now. Man, 64-66 wasn't nearly as bad as 60-63. Once I hit 64 and got aspect of the viper, my dps and downtime went back to not completely sucking again, so grinding became easier.

Also, I find it interesting that Thrall is in Nagrand and Orgrimmar at the same time. THERE'S TWO THRALLS! Oh, and Nagrand world PvP is awesome. Way cooler than Hellfire Peninsula or the joke that is Auchindoun.

One is obviously a body-double. Enemies of the horde would take advantage of the warchief's absence!

[The Author]

Maybe is thrall Junior... like Nesingwary.

[The Xyco]

So I got the expansion the other day and have been making routine trips to on-campus locations with solid wireless connections to play.

I entered Outland once I hit 58 on my main and made it to 59 in virtually no time at all (once I stopped being ganked every two minutes or so, which still happens).

So far it's nice, as pretty much all the quest rewards have saved me oodles of cash by replacing outdated greens and blues from pre-expansion (Even my Tier 1 items, IBS, and DHC are on the verge of being outdated). The items with + to mana regen have remedied my previous problem of expending too much mana with the Aimed + Arcane Shot cycle, and the additional armor is nothing to scoff at.

Hellfire peninsula is quite possibly the ugliest zone in the history of MMO's (Tied for first with Ascalon from Guild Wars: Prophecies), but the rewards are too nice to avoid going there completely.

Currently working on getting the 30 marks from each BG to get an epic mount, which doesn't seem too difficult right now, though getting the money for the lessons will be a different hassle (not to mention sitting through at least another 7 AV's, much less getting into them). Got about 8 from each in one brief night, and I have to say it's nice that there is no longer a wide gap of survivablity between the regular 50's and what were the epic 60's (which have now gone off to the 60+ BG's and arenas).

One big problem though is the unending problem of Warlocks. I don't want to jump on the "THEY'RE OVERPOWERED WTFFUXXORZ BLIZZARD!?!?!?" bandwagon (especially being a hunter and having hardly any room to talk there), but I've laid down shot after shot, crits and all, and hardly even make a dent on those cloth-wearing, fear-casting sons of bitches (No offense to and Lock players here). Every single time I go up against a Lock one-on-one I've been grabbed by the ankles and sodomized by their axe-wielding pets, DoTs, and fears. I have virtually no strategy against them as it is. I tried denying them their mana, but by the time the DoTs and the pet are on me, it's already over. I've tried nailing them with Aimed + Arcane + Multi shot and Serpent Sting (straight out damage), but their HP is simply ridiculously high. Upon asking some of my friends what to do, the only advice they could give me is "Run.", which also hardly ever works due to Intercept Stun.

Does anyone have any tips on fighting Warlocks? It's pretty disappointing being the sole flag guard, Shadowmelded in the corner, getting the complete jump on a Warlock who is three levels lower than me, and still losing the fight.

[suzumebachi]

Even my Tier 1 items, IBS, and DHC are on the verge of being outdated. Blah blah blah I'm a night elf

My IBS was the first thing I replaced when I got to Thrallmar.

LOL Night Elves. I think I'll go gank some right now. Yeah, that sounds good. SHADOWMELD CAN'T HIDE YOU FOREVER.

Oh, and I make about 400g a day just from quests and vendor trash in outland, so uhh, yeah...

Also, if you plan on doing AV, whatever you do, DO NOT DO WHAT I DID. DO ALL YOUR AVs BEFORE 61. 61-70 AV is as broken as broken gets. Several reasons:
a) Nobody queues. Because it's broken.
b) Archers/Bowmen now have a range of 200 yards and do 1000+ damage per shot. Broken.
c) The flag guards have 15,000hp each and do ridiculous damage. Broken.
d) The captains, lieutenants, and basically all elite mobs have hundreds of thousands of hitpoints and will one shot you. Yes, including your MT. Broken.
e) I sat in an AV at level 63 for an hour. Not one flag was capped. Not one elite was killed. Neither team could make it past either bottleneck at SH or IB, since the 1000 damage archers would kill them in mere seconds once they got within 200 yards.

So yeah. AV after 60 is a joke.

[[]Diracy]

What about Eye of the Storm? I haven't tried it yet, for some reason I get a internal error every time it begins to load, and my game crashes.

BTW DING! 70

and I love my flying mount....:)

[Fire in the Hole]

Oh, and I make about 400g a day just from quests and vendor trash in outland, so uhh, yeah...

What the hell? I've made maybe 150g in all my time in Outland, and I had to spend 60g of that on 58 and 60 skills. Is there an exponential increase in value as the zones progress, or are you just playing the shit out of this game?

[suzumebachi]

What the hell? I've made maybe 150g in all my time in Outland, and I had to spend 60g of that on 58 and 60 skills. Is there an exponential increase in value as the zones progress, or are you just playing the shit out of this game?

Once you get to zangarmarsh, and then even moreso in terrokar and nagrand, the amount you make will start increasing pretty significantly. I made enough to get my epic mount in about 6 hours in zangarmarsh. Also, it probably helps that I have 300+ mining and 375 herbalism. Oh, and save all those motes you get. I get like 9g for vendoring crap ass green weapons with shit stats. And they drop quite a bit. And when you find them with good stats, you can usually sell them for 20g or more.

[Raenok]

Alright. AddOn help time.

Trying to get the AddOn button to show in the Char. Select screen. I downloaded Titan Panel and MozzFullWorldMap, extracted the files in the proper folder, did it without WoW being touched, and deleted the .zip.

And it still will not show. Any help?

[Brycepops]

Alright. AddOn help time.

Trying to get the AddOn button to show in the Char. Select screen. I downloaded Titan Panel and MozzFullWorldMap, extracted the files in the proper folder, did it without WoW being touched, and deleted the .zip.

And it still will not show. Any help?

Did you extract it into the WoW\Interface or WoW\Interface\AddOns? It should be in the latter.

[Raenok]

Did you extract it into the WoW\Interface or WoW\Interface\AddOns? It should be in the latter.

It's in the latter, I am sure of it.

[Fire in the Hole]

So I finally got a ranged weapon upgrade after using the blue Guttbuster since level 40-some, and it was a bow. My bow skill was 160/305. I went to Blasted Lands for an easier time training skill and found the Servant of Razelikh (sp), which is a 57 quest mob that doesn't die unless you do the quest procedure (gets down to 1 health and stays there). Damn are those things great for training weapon skill. Let pet grab aggro, fire fire fire, mend pet to full when he gets down to about 1000/5000 health, and by the time he needs heal again I have full mana. Got bow to 285/305 before it was too slow to warrant, and then I got a few melee skill levels too.

Then I went to Ramparts in Hellfire, was almost up to the second boss (dragon rider), and all the instance servers on Shadowsong froze. One by one they started crashing, and when I was able to log back in our group was broken and it was about to port me to Shattrath before I was booted a second time, after which I couldn't log in because "No instance servers are available." I logged into my BE alt just before the guild DM run crashed as well, and shortly after that Shadowsong went offline entirely. Everything's back up now, but so much for our Ramparts run.

[Reno Covault]

Huh, my account vanished.

Anyway, currently guildless on Illidan (I made a parody guild of Angry called Mildly Discontent, but only as a joke while I was PvPing with my friends in Angry). Anaericus, 66 Undead Mage. I got the expansion the day it came out, but I've been playing with a few friends on Shattered Hand (they're all new to the game, and we all started from scratch). I've been getting more time away from that server to level on Illidan, though.

I find it a bit strange that you had such trouble leveling past 60 at first, Suzu. So far I've been knocking out each level in about four hours /played, give or take a bit considering campers and the like. Was it your downtime that was killing you, your damage, or what? (I feel like a cheap prick because I crit over a third of the time with fire and can occasionally two-hit mobs my level.)

Also, my friend Ceo was the first 70 on Illidan. I'm not sure whether that's an accomplishment to be proud of or what, but I certainly thought it was rather cool. Except she's trying to ditch the character now; she's powerleveling a blood elf mage to 70 and hoping she can switch mains in her guild (her current main is a druid, and, well, every guild always needs more druids).

(This post is laden with parentheses.)

[D-Lux]

Hey Reno, hit me up on Shattered Hand sometime. I'm either on Miseto (undead mage) or Buffalowings (tauren druid).

[Ramaniscence]

Well Ty, I decided to listen to my Burning Crusade soundtrack and you're right, the Outland music DOES sound a lot like Diablo music...and I guess with Matt Uelmen composing it that makes a lot of sense.

Matt Uelmen (born July 31, 1973) is a composer. He is best known for his work in Blizzard Entertainment's Diablo series, which was recognized with the inaugural Excellence in Audio award by the IGDA in 2001. He also worked as a sound designer in StarCraft. Recently, he composed the music for the Outland areas of the 2007 release World Of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade.

[Fire in the Hole]

60-63 isn't taking nearly as long as you described, Suzu. I didn't check /played before and after but I swear it's been a matter of hours (not days) to get halfway through 62 as I have.

I really, really hate how much PUG tanks suck. I swear, if I get into Ramparts with another one who can't manage to grab the dragon as he lands, I'm going to snap.

[suzumebachi]

I think it was the shit gear I had. Once I had replaced all my crappy level 40-50 green items with Outlands quest rewards, I started levelling faster. Like I said it took me a long ass time to go from 60-64. But I did 68-70 in one evening.

Now to scrounge up another 5000g or so for my epic flying mount. The regular flying mount is so slow... :(

Also, there's a lot of weird areas I've noticed that are only reachable by flying mount, especially in Blade's Edge Mountains. There's even named mobs in the Blade's Edge Mountains. Namely Terrordar the Tormentor, some huge ass Eredar guy. But there's no quests for any of these areas. Weird.

[The Author]

Kazzak is only accessible through flying mount in hellfire peninsula.

If you like rezzing from the spirit healer, go and fly over him.

[suzumebachi]

Well Ty, I decided to listen to my Burning Crusade soundtrack and you're right, the Outland music DOES sound a lot like Diablo music...and I guess with Matt Uelmen composing it that makes a lot of sense.

Nagrand and Blade's Edge Mountains are both very Diablo sounding. Netherstorm, especially when in the cities there, sounds very StarCraft-ish, which is an awesome touch. Hellfire Peninsula on the other hand, has more of a classic WarCraft feel. Sounds like WarCraft 2. The other zones don't particularly sound like anything, but are still cool.

[The Author]

Shadowmoon valley reminded me a lot of Diablo, I can't explain why exactly.

Maybe the high number of demons.

[suzumebachi]

Man people are taking too damn long to level to 70. I wanna do some damn instances, but there's not enough 70s to go around.

[OA]

People are telling me to hurry up to 70 -_-
I am level 62 though, and am in the top 10 of leveled blood elf paladins, but I had 1-60 to get through first ;_;

[Ramaniscence]

Man people are taking too damn long to level to 70. I wanna do some damn instances, but there's not enough 70s to go around.

I'm tryin' man, I'm tryin'. I got on my priest last night and pounded out half my quest logt hat's been sitting there for MONTHES.

I don't know how to use that new LFG thing though...I just AUTOMATICALLY join a group and it's scary :(

Plus I need to learn how to HEAL without BeneCast again >_<

[suzumebachi]

I've been ganking people while I wait for the rest of the realm to catch up... dude... ganking in Azeroth at level 70 is oh so very wrong. I went to Hillsbrad, thinking I'd maybe gank a few lowbies while I wait to get a CoT group (for OLD Hillsbrad, no less, kek). So during my gankfest, I decided to go down to Southshore to see if there's any lowbies hanging around the outskirts of town... then I noticed something. Something evil. Something awesome. The guards in Southshore are level 45 now. That's right. Level 45. HUGE mistake on Blizzard's part. I can now one shot them.

Needless to say, no Allies got any questing done for the next hour or so, while I systematically (and repeatedly) killed every NPC in the town of Southshore. Flight Master, Quest Givers, Vendors, you name it, they all died. A couple more 70s came along and joined me a bit later, and we took out the elite guy in the town hall. Horde officially owned Southshore. And God said it was good.

[Raenok]

45 to 58...one year, and I am finally up to 45, almost 46. DANG it takes too long. Not to mention the experience isn't much.

MUST...DO MORE...INSTANCES...

[Ero Elohim]

45 to 58...one year, and I am finally up to 45, almost 46. DANG it takes too long. Not to mention the experience isn't much.

MUST...DO MORE...INSTANCES...

Instances are some of the worst XP in the game. You'd be better off finding a nice camp of greens or yellows and grinding if you don't want to quest. I only do instances when I'm bored and need the change of pace (most PUGs make me change my mind very quickly), want a specific piece of gear that I think would improve my progress enough to warrant stomaching the aforementioned PUG, or it's the first run through and I have 5-7 quests I can get done, making it equal or better XP than soloing.

[Reno Covault]

I've been ganking people while I wait for the rest of the realm to catch up... dude... ganking in Azeroth at level 70 is oh so very wrong. I went to Hillsbrad, thinking I'd maybe gank a few lowbies while I wait to get a CoT group (for OLD Hillsbrad, no less, kek). So during my gankfest, I decided to go down to Southshore to see if there's any lowbies hanging around the outskirts of town... then I noticed something. Something evil. Something awesome. The guards in Southshore are level 45 now. That's right. Level 45. HUGE mistake on Blizzard's part. I can now one shot them.

Needless to say, no Allies got any questing done for the next hour or so, while I systematically (and repeatedly) killed every NPC in the town of Southshore. Flight Master, Quest Givers, Vendors, you name it, they all died. A couple more 70s came along and joined me a bit later, and we took out the elite guy in the town hall. Horde officially owned Southshore. And God said it was good.

Time that could have been better spent playing with that bot in Nagrand.

Maybe trying for some hot bot-on-bot action?


I'm bored at 70 as well. If you end up needing a mage for anything and I happen to be online the same time as you, toss me an invite. I still haven't been able to find a decent group for Old Hillsbrad.

[D-Lux]

More accomplishments this week:
Jewelcrafting to 365
Epic flying mount acquired
Heroic keyed for Tempest Keep


Still no Karazhan key yet. I get laughed at when I say I haven't rescued Thrall yet. :(

[Fire in the Hole]

Instances are some of the worst XP in the game. You'd be better off finding a nice camp of greens or yellows and grinding if you don't want to quest. I only do instances when I'm bored and need the change of pace (most PUGs make me change my mind very quickly), want a specific piece of gear that I think would improve my progress enough to warrant stomaching the aforementioned PUG, or it's the first run through and I have 5-7 quests I can get done, making it equal or better XP than soloing.

This is, of course, assuming you're in a PUG or otherwise inadequate group. Get a nice group of friends/guildies who know how to keep pace, though, and instances can be a far better grind. Especially 58+.

I'm up to 65.667 and finally got my epic (riding) mount a few days ago. Since then I've already got another 200g, so I hope not to have any problems picking up the normal flying mount when the time comes. Nagrand is a godsend for a skinning Hunter. Bind and grind, skin and win. Halaa is a nice touch, too.

[Raenok]

HOLY CRAP, guys. Go check out the WoW forums.

Looks like Priests will have a 20 second cooldown on the PoM, and...some other things, but this had made priests MAD, even making them cancel thier accounts. Hell, they started riots on the severs to crash them.

But I guess this is all needed, since the developers didn't look at the constructive feedback from Priests, that is, that's what they say.

I feel sorry for Priests. Not pity, but sympathy. I really wanted you guys to be a well-rounded healing class, and I am a Hunter.

[Doulifée]

i start to play last sunday. first mmorpg i find addictive i admit. :roll:

[Fire in the Hole]

HOLY CRAP, guys. Go check out the WoW forums.

Looks like Priests will have a 20 second cooldown on the PoM, and...some other things, but this had made priests MAD, even making them cancel thier accounts. Hell, they started riots on the severs to crash them.

But I guess this is all needed, since the developers didn't look at the constructive feedback from Priests, that is, that's what they say.

I feel sorry for Priests. Not pity, but sympathy. I really wanted you guys to be a well-rounded healing class, and I am a Hunter.

Just take a look at the test realm patch notes and you'll find all kinds of nerfs. The most hilarious section is druids: -40% armor in bear form, +30% stamina instead of total health, -20% Mangle damage... holy hell is it going to suck when feral druids are brought down off their high horses.

[Sporknight]

Just take a look at the test realm patch notes and you'll find all kinds of nerfs. The most hilarious section is druids: -40% armor in bear form, +30% stamina instead of total health, -20% Mangle damage... holy hell is it going to suck when feral druids are brought down off their high horses.

I wandered into the warrior forums and laughed as they feasted off the druidic tears.

My guild has no druid tanks, so this really doesn't impact me. I feel it's a problem, though, when a supposedly "hybrid" class can tank better than the class whose primary role is being a meatshield.

[Ramaniscence]

So, here I am a World of WarCraft: The Burning Crusade owner. Paid in full $40. Now, as most people here know, I have a (now) level 44 Undead Priest.

So, today I got bored with the grind and knowing the Blasted Lands had creatures from levels 46-50 something, I decided to go on an adventure to the Dark Portal.

I fly on down to Stonard, hop on my mount, treck on down to the Dark Portal, rush up the ramp and BAM....I go through it...but I'm still in the Blasted Lands. WTF? Big message stating "You must be level 58 to enter the Dark Portal."

Whoa whoa whoa whoaaaa. You're telling me I can't even SET FOOT into Outland unless I'm level 58? What the crap is THAT about?

Now, I know what you're probably thinking. "You're leve 44, you're gonna get RAPED in Outland, you have no business being there." Sure, I'll get raped in Outland, but guess what? I PAID for Outland. TO be more correct, I PAID for an entire new continent that's roughly the size of both the existing continents to explorer and enjoy at my will.

Guess what? I'd get raped in the Burning Steppes. I'd get raped in some parts of the Hinterlands. I'd get raped in a lot of places, but you know what? I can still walk through them AT MY LEISURE and I DIDN'T have to pay extra for it.

Sure, I can be a dreanei or a blood elf and go to their new towns and areas. Big fricken whoop. So I get to level from 1-25 in 2 "breath taking new areas" but once I finish up Ghostlands it's RIGHT back to the Barrens and Ashenvale and Thousand Needles until I'm fricken 58.

That's some SERIOUS bullshit, Blizzard. Seriously.

AND ON ANOTHER NOTE:

The reason I got so bored with levelling tonight is because I tried to run Ulda and my computer locked up 3 times. Now I know what you're thinking there: "That's what you get for upgrading to Vista."

Well here's some statistics for you: My video card is a GeForce FX 5200. While crap, nVidia still totes it as a "Vista essential compatible and ready to go!" video card.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html

But there's a catch...FX cards aren't up to date with the most recent drivers. Only GeForce 6 & 7 cards are still being updated to iron out kinks with Vista and anything before that is basically "Yea...it'll work...with a lot of problems...but we'll maybe fix it...eventually."

ATI, on the other hand, is getting all their Vista compatible cards (with pixel shading and all that crud) fully up to date and functional.

So Microsoft is not so much as fault here so much as fricken nVidia. F-U nVidia.

I can't wait until I get my 2.36 Ghz MacBook Pro next month. Then I'm gonna whoop some WoW ass.

[Fire in the Hole]

Rama, I believe there are still ways to glitch into Outland that Blizz hasn't normed. Grab a high level friend and try a 'lock summon, mage port (to Shattrath City), or meeting stone. One of them should work (and did as of last week, last time I saw a lowbie in the guild show up in Shattrath).

[Kanthos]

I'm not sure how official this is, but I heard on a WoW podcast that the level 58 restriction was to prevent everyone from flooding Outland when Burning Crusade launched, and that it would later be removed.

[OA]

yeah, just get a summon. There was a level 15 dranaei shaman running around shattrath last night.

[Noodle]

Help me kill locks

Best bet is to go BM and kite the hell outta them and let your pet do most of the dps. It's lame but yeah, locks and all. Youll probably still need to get lucky. Also, use your Insignia of the Horde. Owait lol alliance. You can try and freeze their pet too. Even if you're out of fear range Death coil can screw you over into a chain fear so...yeah...

[Ramaniscence]

yeah, just get a summon. There was a level 15 dranaei shaman running around shattrath last night.

I've heard that, while this DOES work, you'll get transported back to Azeroth and temp-banned if someone reports you.

[suzumebachi]

I've heard that, while this DOES work, you'll get transported back to Azeroth and temp-banned if someone reports you.

Did you save any of the screenshots from our little raid the other day?

[DJ Mighty]

So, here I am a World of WarCraft: The Burning Crusade owner. Paid in full $40. Now, as most people here know, I have a (now) level 44 Undead Priest.

So, today I got bored with the grind and knowing the Blasted Lands had creatures from levels 46-50 something, I decided to go on an adventure to the Dark Portal.

I fly on down to Stonard, hop on my mount, treck on down to the Dark Portal, rush up the ramp and BAM....I go through it...but I'm still in the Blasted Lands. WTF? Big message stating "You must be level 58 to enter the Dark Portal."

Whoa whoa whoa whoaaaa. You're telling me I can't even SET FOOT into Outland unless I'm level 58? What the crap is THAT about?

Now, I know what you're probably thinking. "You're leve 44, you're gonna get RAPED in Outland, you have no business being there." Sure, I'll get raped in Outland, but guess what? I PAID for Outland. TO be more correct, I PAID for an entire new continent that's roughly the size of both the existing continents to explorer and enjoy at my will.

Guess what? I'd get raped in the Burning Steppes. I'd get raped in some parts of the Hinterlands. I'd get raped in a lot of places, but you know what? I can still walk through them AT MY LEISURE and I DIDN'T have to pay extra for it.

Sure, I can be a dreanei or a blood elf and go to their new towns and areas. Big fricken whoop. So I get to level from 1-25 in 2 "breath taking new areas" but once I finish up Ghostlands it's RIGHT back to the Barrens and Ashenvale and Thousand Needles until I'm fricken 58.

That's some SERIOUS bullshit, Blizzard. Seriously.

AND ON ANOTHER NOTE:

The reason I got so bored with levelling tonight is because I tried to run Ulda and my computer locked up 3 times. Now I know what you're thinking there: "That's what you get for upgrading to Vista."

Well here's some statistics for you: My video card is a GeForce FX 5200. While crap, nVidia still totes it as a "Vista essential compatible and ready to go!" video card.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/fx_5200.html

But there's a catch...FX cards aren't up to date with the most recent drivers. Only GeForce 6 & 7 cards are still being updated to iron out kinks with Vista and anything before that is basically "Yea...it'll work...with a lot of problems...but we'll maybe fix it...eventually."

ATI, on the other hand, is getting all their Vista compatible cards (with pixel shading and all that crud) fully up to date and functional.

So Microsoft is not so much as fault here so much as fricken nVidia. F-U nVidia.

I can't wait until I get my 2.36 Ghz MacBook Pro next month. Then I'm gonna whoop some WoW ass.


dude, there is no nice way to say it but your video card is crap, i believe they recommend at LEAST 5700, but your getting the Macbook Pro so it wont matter soon anyway

sucks that you feel you were ripped off but to be honest i believe it was already stated that you could not enter until 58. You can always just get a port though.

[DJ Mighty]

Best bet is to go BM and kite the hell outta them and let your pet do most of the dps. It's lame but yeah, locks and all. Youll probably still need to get lucky. Also, use your Insignia of the Horde. Owait lol alliance. You can try and freeze their pet too. Even if you're out of fear range Death coil can screw you over into a chain fear so...yeah...


distance my friend......if your MM silence shot is god....then again it also depends on what spec they are, if you get distance on a lock by the time he gets close enough your pet and serpant sting will do him in....this is what has worked for me anyway

[suzumebachi]

dude, there is no nice way to say it but your video card is crap, i believe they recommend at LEAST 5700

recommend, yes. but the minimum requirements are much lower.

32 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA® GeForce™ 2 class card or above

i ran WoW for about 6 months on a GeForce 4 Ti4200. it worked just fine.

[Katsurugi]

i ran WoW for about 6 months on a GeForce 4 Ti4200. it worked just fine.
I've really got to hand it to Blizzard. They really know how to make their games in a way that the requirements are relatively low (Remember Starcraft?). Of course, this only increases their potential target audience. But it's really nice to know that sometimes you don't need a fancy computer to play a game. But especially with an MMO game, it's important to find some balance between connection and processing power to minimize any horrible bottleneck. But apparently, their servers are the main bottleneck.. or so I've heard.

[Ramaniscence]

recommend, yes. but the minimum requirements are much lower.

i ran WoW for about 6 months on a GeForce 4 Ti4200. it worked just fine.

Yea, WoW ran fine before Vista and Vista drivers. Then it started freezing in full screen (with still good frames on full settings) so I had to switch to windowed. Now windowed is starting to freeze more and more.

Also:
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_00.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_01.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_02.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_03.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_04.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_05.png
http://ramaserv.thasauce.net/images/dreanei_pwnt_06.png

It was the least we could do. They whiped out the Crossroads, Rachet, Grom'Gol, and God knows what else. (I fucking HATE the weekends).

Funny story, Suzu. The night after we did that Adrienne's guild raided Auberdine AGAIN.

[Shonen Samurai]

1. You won't be banned for being below level 58 in Outland, don't listen to rumors
2. You can't walk through the Dark Portal at 58, but you can be summoned or take a port at any level

[suzumebachi]

1. You won't be banned for being below level 58 in Outland, don't listen to rumors
2. You can't walk through the Dark Portal at 58, but you can be summoned or take a port at any level

You say that, but I dunno sometimes. I was suspended for 3 hours for shooting people from a roof in gadgetzan. Ohnoes, pvp on a pvp realm! But if a mage uses slow fall to kill me while I'm flying, forcing me to spirit res, oh that's fine! Or if players queue for the arena in gadgetzan and then start killing lowbies as soon as the enter arena button pops up, and enter the arena before the guards kill them, that's just dandy too!

I don't understand GMs. >:[

Also, I need a new guild on Illidan, mine doesn't do shit. They talk a lot, "oh we'll do raids as soon as we're 70!" but almost everyone is 70 now, and we haven't even run steamvaults or shadow labs let alone Karazhan. Oh, and I hate shadow labs. I'm trying to get my Karazhan key there, but three times in a row the instance servers crashed before our slow ass PUG could finish the instance. Once when we were on Murmur too. :(

[Ramaniscence]

You say that, but I dunno sometimes. I was suspended for 3 hours for shooting people from a roof in gadgetzan. Ohnoes, pvp on a pvp realm! But if a mage uses slow fall to kill me while I'm flying, forcing me to spirit res, oh that's fine! Or if players queue for the arena in gadgetzan and then start killing lowbies as soon as the enter arena button pops up, and enter the arena before the guards kill them, that's just dandy too!

I don't understand GMs. >:[

Also, I need a new guild on Illidan, mine doesn't do shit. They talk a lot, "oh we'll do raids as soon as we're 70!" but almost everyone is 70 now, and we haven't even run steamvaults or shadow labs let alone Karazhan. Oh, and I hate shadow labs. I'm trying to get my Karazhan key there, but three times in a row the instance servers crashed before our slow ass PUG could finish the instance. Once when we were on Murmur too. :(

I'll hook you up with Cesar's guild. They're on the ball.

[[]Diracy]

ANYONE (stealthed or not, i did it as a mage) can hug the wall and grab the container containing the key, it is on the left side when you look at murmur (his right). It is located on the first ledge, behind a protuding wall, you can see it if you are in front of murmur. When opening the container a elemental will spawn. You can kite him back to the front of murmur and kill him with 2-3 people, without going out of his aggro range. The elemental has 20k hp and hits clothies for about 800-900 regularly.

If you die the mob will return back to his container, the container will disappear, however the mob will not despawn. If you die for some reason or aggro murmur in the process. Just come back in and he will be waiting for you.


Blizzard also nerfed the amount of people that can loot the key at one time, you used to be able to switch out members for others to have a maximum of 2 groups (10 people) loot the key. It is now only possible as of the recent patch that only 5 maximum are allowed to loot it.

GG ALL!

[Shonen Samurai]

You say that, but I dunno sometimes. I was suspended for 3 hours for shooting people from a roof in gadgetzan. Ohnoes, pvp on a pvp realm! But if a mage uses slow fall to kill me while I'm flying, forcing me to spirit res, oh that's fine! Or if players queue for the arena in gadgetzan and then start killing lowbies as soon as the enter arena button pops up, and enter the arena before the guards kill them, that's just dandy too!

I don't understand GMs. >:[

Also, I need a new guild on Illidan, mine doesn't do shit. They talk a lot, "oh we'll do raids as soon as we're 70!" but almost everyone is 70 now, and we haven't even run steamvaults or shadow labs let alone Karazhan. Oh, and I hate shadow labs. I'm trying to get my Karazhan key there, but three times in a row the instance servers crashed before our slow ass PUG could finish the instance. Once when we were on Murmur too. :(

If you're in Azeroth/Kalimdor, attacking people in places that are impossible for guards to path to is against policy, regardless of your realm type. The mage thing is fine. The arena thing is shady, but what the hell are you doing in Gadge anyway?

I can personally guarantee that nobody has ever been banned for being in Outland below 58.

[Rodin]

Best bet is to go BM and kite the hell outta them and let your pet do most of the dps. It's lame but yeah, locks and all. Youll probably still need to get lucky. Also, use your Insignia of the Horde. Owait lol alliance. You can try and freeze their pet too. Even if you're out of fear range Death coil can screw you over into a chain fear so...yeah...

BM with Bestial Wrath/TBW eats locks for breakfast.

[suzumebachi]

Did they lower the maximum number of characters you can have on an account in the patch today? I tried making a bank alt, but it said I have too many characters, so I deleted a number of unused alts on other realms, but it still says the same shit, "you have reached the maximum number of characters." wtf mate? I would have posted in the customer service forums, but the WoW forums are apparently down as a result of DoS attacks from all the nerfed druids and priests (not that I blame them).

[Fire in the Hole]

Did they lower the maximum number of characters you can have on an account in the patch today? I tried making a bank alt, but it said I have too many characters, so I deleted a number of unused alts on other realms, but it still says the same shit, "you have reached the maximum number of characters." wtf mate? I would have posted in the customer service forums, but the WoW forums are apparently down as a result of DoS attacks from all the nerfed druids and priests (not that I blame them).

I don't know about the character limit, but damn does the druid nerf suck (for everybody PvE-wise, not just them). It's pretty much impossible now for them to deal any damage in bear form, and forget tanking. It's become a last-ditch effort to prolong their life a little bit, if they run out of mana to heal themselves or need to give the healer extra time to get one off. Looks like Blizz definitely wanted to take the tank out of the druid.

[Reno Covault]

I don't know about the character limit, but damn does the druid nerf suck (for everybody PvE-wise, not just them). It's pretty much impossible now for them to deal any damage in bear form, and forget tanking. It's become a last-ditch effort to prolong their life a little bit, if they run out of mana to heal themselves or need to give the healer extra time to get one off. Looks like Blizz definitely wanted to take the tank out of the druid.

Well, the damage dealt in bear form really was overkill; they had more health and armor than most warriors and could still do more damage than them while in bear form. I understand that they generated most of their threat through DPS, but their ability to tank would be easily restored if Blizzard would either allow them to Lacerate a ton more mobs, or tweak their abilities to generate more threat.

Of course, they didn't do this, so as it stands now, bear tanks are pretty much useless.

And Suzu, I believe the character limit is per-realm, not cumulative. How many characters do you have on Illidan?

[suzumebachi]

Well, the damage dealt in bear form really was overkill; they had more health and armor than most warriors and could still do more damage than them while in bear form. I understand that they generated most of their threat through DPS, but their ability to tank would be easily restored if Blizzard would either allow them to Lacerate a ton more mobs, or tweak their abilities to generate more threat.

Of course, they didn't do this, so as it stands now, bear tanks are pretty much useless.

And Suzu, I believe the character limit is per-realm, not cumulative. How many characters do you have on Illidan?

I have 6 now. I was finally able to create another toon after deleting about 12 more characters. It seems like they did decrease the maximum number of characters. :/

Also, I agree that bear DPS was out of hand, but what they did was terrible over correction. All that really needed to be done was decrease the damage of mangle, and they should have left it at that. But then they went on to decrease their armor by 50%, significantly reduce their HP, broke savage fury, and turned predatory instincts into crap. Now not only can they not generate threat, but they can't mitigate damage nearly as well either.

The priest thing is totally overblown though, Prayer of Mending with no cooldown was amazingly overpowered, and a 10 second cooldown (as opposed to the 20 second one on test realms) isn't too bad. The shadow priest nerfs do suck though, as if they didn't cause enough threat as it is :/

You gotta question the timing of the huge druid nerf alongside a huge warrior buff. It's almost like blizzard is saying "dear druids, thanks for taking over the tanking duty while all the warriors specced arms to level. but now that there's enough level 70 warriors, we'll be forcing them back into prot spec and taking your tanking ability from you now. can't be having any dps warriors, shadow priests, or feral druids in end game instances you know! thanks."

[GeckoYamori]

Bloody hell, the Lunar Festival was supposed to end after the 8th. Instead they decide to end it 2 days early while applying the new patch. So much for planning that Omen raid.

[Eten]

I play a warrior on the Akama realm.

Yes, before this latest 2.0.10 patch, I'd have to say Bear form Druids were too much and Warriors needed some help. Just having any Druid stand toe to toe with me and bring me down 100 to 0 without a single shift was wrong. Since bear form is supposed to mimic warriors in a relative sense, so even though as a warrior, whenever I just stand toe to toe with people and trade blows I should be winning, it makes sense for a Bear form druid to be able to stand there against me. But what wasn't right was how it was simply stronger than I was when it was just a single form of the druid class. So it did deserve a nerf.

Since the patch, I haven't seen how Druids perform since either: They were nub druids and always will be nub druids and continue to to attempt to take everything from 100 to 0 in bear form. Or they respecced OOmkin... which I continue to think needs to be buffed, as even as counter-warrior Moonkins are supposed to be they are enjoyably easy. Or I just don't see them altogether, not many Druids.

However, I can not make sense of how my warrior changed so dramatically. Yes, we got a rage buff... however, anyone with experience as the warrior class should know that rage acted as a line. If you had enough rage, you used your abilities as fast as the cooldowns let you. Essientally, you were limited by cooldowns, not rage. If you did not have the gear to meet this line, you were gimp and needed to upgrade your gear. Now this line wasn't very hard to meet, and I knew I was already past that line. The 15-20% rage buff, while visible to any warrior, only real effect was lowering that line. Rage still plays a more crucial role in tanking than PvP and added uniqueness by being unlimited like energy, and only started at 0 instead of 100.

With that being said, I am concerned about actually being overpowered. It's crazy to think I could go from such extremes so quickly. How could it have happened? 1% chance to crit buff? Now, my performance in PvP is something that I'd expect... if I were in epics. I'm not in epics. I'm in largely outdated gear w/ a level 66 green weapon I bought from a vendor in Halaa. Look up Eten in the Armory if you're interested.

At this point, I fully expect a coming of a second "Arcanite Reaper glory days" for warriors. Only the weapons are the BS crafted epic weapons.

[Sir_NutS]

I'm a NE Priest on the Andhorhal Realm. The name's Macrona.

[Bren]

Oh man...long time since this has been posted in...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml

This was pretty hilarious. Nice laugh for a random joke which has nothing to do with any particular dates of interest...nope.

[Ramaniscence]

Someone in one of my guilds asked me if I could craft it for them.......

[Rodin]

I was kinda dissapointed in the tinfoil hat, since it was either mistakenly or intentionally leaked a couple weeks ago. If you moused over one of the dried rations in the rewards page, it brought up the tinfoil hat.

[Fire in the Hole]

I thought the Black Temple attunement chart and the Heroes of Azeroth announcement were by far more hilarious.

[i <3 robots]

Dude, when is Heroes of Azeroth coming out? I hope it is better than WC3.



























































;>

[Raenok]

To anyone who plays on Twisting Nether:

I have a Dwarven Priest that I aim to PvP and fool around with. I care not for the recent "nerfs" to the class, even then they are useful in some fashion. And yes, I do intend to RP there. Find "Briswald" and start yelling at me about things.

[D.Radium]

Question for the gurus out there.

If I give in to peer pressure that's kinda been on and off the past year and a half to play this darn game, what race and class would you suggest? Overpowered and easy to play for a newb would be a bonus. I can play healer or tank or whatever role from my experiences in other MMO's, being useful in the lategame and/or PvP also a plus. I tend to prefer hybrid classes to fill many roles but specialization not a problem if it's feasible.

From my little reading I'm leaning on Draenei Paladin/Cleric, or Undead Mage/Tauren Druid (not sure which side will be focused on since my friends tend to jump around on both side).

[Bigfoot]

Undead Shadowpriest. You'll melt faces.

[Kanthos]

If you want easy levelling, go with a hunter, frost mage (once you start getting a lot of frost talents, you can go through most fights without taking damage; I play a frost mage) or shadow priest.

[OA]

I'd also recommend Frost mage, shadow priest, or paladin if you want to heal.

[i <3 robots]

Question for the gurus out there.

If I give in to peer pressure that's kinda been on and off the past year and a half to play this darn game, what race and class would you suggest? Overpowered and easy to play for a newb would be a bonus. I can play healer or tank or whatever role from my experiences in other MMO's, being useful in the lategame and/or PvP also a plus. I tend to prefer hybrid classes to fill many roles but specialization not a problem if it's feasible.

From my little reading I'm leaning on Draenei Paladin/Cleric, or Undead Mage/Tauren Druid (not sure which side will be focused on since my friends tend to jump around on both side).

For hybrid classes in WoW you got Paladin and Shaman.

Paladins are focused on defense.
Shamans are focused on offense.
Both are support classes, but can gear up (and through talents) to be good in healing, melee, and magic damage.
In endgame both are usually support healers/main healers as healers are always in short supply.
In PvP pallys got the toughness, heals, and buffs to be the bane of enemy players. Shammys in PvP mostly lays totems and holds off/DPS the enemy from casters and can range cast themselves. Just remember that both classes are support and are easily pounded down if you try to charge in and be a "hero".

[Audity]

Wwaarrlloocckk

[Kanthos]

Druids are hybrid classes as well, doing a reasonable job at healing (caster/tree form), dps (in cat or moonkin form, as a rogue or mage respectively) or tanking (bear form).

[Shonen Samurai]

The best way to go for new guys is a rogue. Fairly simple play mechanics, no mana to keep track of, self-replenishing energy resource, high DPS.

[Triad Orion]

Personally, I found it eaisest to go Warrior with my first character. As Shonen pointed out, you have no mana to worry about, only rage. It's pretty good at learning the early mechanics of the system and it's a class that has good survivability in many PvE situations as long as you don't get overwhelmed.

The tricky part about being a Warrior is while it's fairly easy to understand basic mechanics, tanking and being useful in instance dungeons is much more difficult and requires some instruction. You also have to be willing to accept that your DPS isn't going to be as high as many other classes unless you go into Fury.

Basically, I would suggest using a warrior to learn basic things about the game first, then going back and re-rolling into a different class when you're semi-experienced, and then you can go back to your Warrior later once you are confident in your abilities to tank and effectively hold aggro.

[i <3 robots]

Druids are hybrid classes as well, doing a reasonable job at healing (caster/tree form), dps (in cat or moonkin form, as a rogue or mage respectively) or tanking (bear form).

Druids can do all those jobs as good or in some respects better than the said "dedicated" class. All by just switching forms. Druids are just an everything/utility class to fill in for a missing class in groups (Most likely HEALING lol). Blizz really screwed with bear form recently though making it harder to keep aggro and lowering bear dps.
Shammies and Pallys cannot really expect to match up to be great at all of those. But a Druid will be able to gear up for any one of the forms.

[Arek the Absolute]

shammies, the offensive hybrid, are practically being forced to be resto.
lol at that
(i am a sham btw so i can laugh at myself and the newly defined role because devs cant figure out what the fuck to do with our enhance and ele trees)

[Bigfoot]

Why am I getting the random urge to want to pick this up again?

[Arek the Absolute]

protip: dont be a shaman
their dps is fucked with the windfury "fix" and they have no cc
they are worthless at the moment and the devs just fucked with their ele tree by taking away their 100% clearcast on crits and turning it into a 60%
hoooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrible

[Bigfoot]

I always wanted to be a shadow priest anyway. You know, to melt faces.

[Arek the Absolute]

ya but leveling 1-20 is such a chore
from there its cool though

[Fire in the Hole]

This game is not as fun at 70 as it should be. I'm dropping my sub again, no way is it worth the time and money any more.

Guess I'll have some quality time to blow through my backlog of console games and books I have lying around.

[Ramaniscence]

Damnit Tavernorud If It Weren't For That Human Priest You'd Be So Pwnt Right Now.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Damnit Tavernorud If It Weren't For That Human Priest You'd Be So Pwnt Right Now.

what?! me? a human priest NEAR me?

whut are you talking about?

[Ramaniscence]

Unless there's ANOTHER Taverno Rudd out there that plays WoW and totally just got really lucky in WSG (even though Alliance got pwnt per usual)

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Unless there's ANOTHER Taverno Rudd out there that plays WoW and totally just got really lucky in WSG (even though Alliance got pwnt per usual)
my only allie char is a 53 pally in gorgonash...was taht the one? my friend could be playing in it while i studied

[Ramaniscence]

my only allie char is a 53 pally in gorgonash...was taht the one? my friend could be playing in it while i studied

lol, that's the one. We were just in WSG together, and I was about to totally pwnt him before a priest saved him.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

lol small world

what server are you playing on?: gorgonash or is that an alt? bacause i've been meaning to start a new one in another server with the OCR peoples

[Ramaniscence]

I still play on Illidan. I guess we're in the same battle group as Gorgonash.

[Arek the Absolute]

I wonder if ner'zul is with you guys. Would be pretty cool to face you guys in CROSS REALM ACTION

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

why don't you roll an alt there too? (the odds of facing us in cross realm action are pretty low...it's like 12 realms each and we probably aren't pwning heads in pvp at the same time)

[Bigfoot]

So I finally got bored and went to a battleground. It was fun sometimes, but half of the time the Horde is SO unorganized. People run out alone instead of waiting for everyone else.

[The Xyco]

That's a quality of Alliance as well, and could probably be attributed moreso to the general lack of organization in pickup battleground groups as a whole.

Though in general, I'd say that Arathi Basin is substantially more conducive to teamwork and organization, since everyone is pretty much relegated to either attacking or defending a base -- which doesn't require a whole lot of attention to detail.



BTW, is it just me or has there been a sharp decline in the interactivity or players recently. I haven't been in a group with any of my characters unless it has been someone I've known for a good while.

For a game oriented around player-to-player interaction, very few people ever seem interested in grouping anymore. And really, if I wanted that, I'd play Oblivion.

[Bigfoot]

I've had a few random people group with me when i'd ask for help with a quest, but it takes a little time to get someone.

All I know is that I'm so sick of getting bot /ts or whatever about some PLing/gold selling website.

[Arek the Absolute]

That's a quality of Alliance as well, and could probably be attributed moreso to the general lack of organization in pickup battleground groups as a whole.

Though in general, I'd say that Arathi Basin is substantially more conducive to teamwork and organization, since everyone is pretty much relegated to either attacking or defending a base -- which doesn't require a whole lot of attention to detail.



BTW, is it just me or has there been a sharp decline in the interactivity or players recently. I haven't been in a group with any of my characters unless it has been someone I've known for a good while.

For a game oriented around player-to-player interaction, very few people ever seem interested in grouping anymore. And really, if I wanted that, I'd play Oblivion.

A lot of people are canceling their accounts due to the horrible patch coming out soon. The shaman community is basically gone, and the warriors and hunters are ditching as well. Mages are pretty pissed, so I am sure some quit there. Of course, our friendly lovable locks will always be around *fuckers*, considering that the devs love them to death.

[Ramaniscence]

A lot of people are canceling their accounts due to the horrible patch coming out soon. The shaman community is basically gone, and the warriors and hunters are ditching as well. Mages are pretty pissed, so I am sure some quit there. Of course, our friendly lovable locks will always be around *fuckers*, considering that the devs love them to death.

lol @ the story of every patch to every MMO ever

"A lot of people are cancelling their accounts ebcause of...."

They'll be back...until Blizzard really rapes WoW, but until then...they'll be back.

[MaxFrost]

eh, I have a level 70 draenai shaman, and all though we could use some fixes, we're not totally broken...there's just better options at times.

I think overall the community is overreacting, but shamans could use some loving just to bolster their numbers. It's the least played class in the game, and the only one to show an actually friggin _decline_ in overall numbers since it peaked sometime near opening.

I dunno, work needs to be done, it's still a strong class.

[ellywu2]

Buff shamans. Don't make me go back to my hunter pulease.

[Ramaniscence]

btw, happy to report the Illidan family now has a new brother: Fusion2004

[Bigfoot]

I re-rolled on Gurubashi because my friends from work play there.

[Shadow Wolf]

Okay... so it's Friday. Not patch day. I'm running Burning Crusade 2.0.12, and all of a sudden, I'm getting a 247 MB patch from Blizzard, and it's slow as hell. Does anybody have ANY idea what this is?

EDIT: It would seem Blizzard is rolling from 2.0.12 all the way to 2.1.0, according to my patch folder. I'm just wondering, why Friday, Why is it that friggin' huge, and most of all, why is it completely unannounced and without patch notes on Blizzard's website?

MORE EDIT: It would seem that this is the Black Temple patch. More info here (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html) for those as clueless as me. I'm too low level to do it yet anyhow, so I ignored it.

This is only part 1 of the patch. 247 megs later, it's not actually finished. I just have a '2.1.0 partial' file in my patches folder. Friggin HUGE PATCH.

[Kanthos]

Blizzard started sending patch information ahead of time so that when patch day comes, they don't have everyone hitting the patch server(s) at once, plus you won't have to wait to apply the patch. The patch won't actually be applied until patch day.

This possibly means 2.1.0 is coming next Tuesday. Not bad.

[The Author]

FYI:

THis patch is MASSIVE

Every class is tweaked (rogues all get improved sap, now the improved sap talent will increase the range of sap and blind, while reducing the energy cost... This makes me rather happy)

New 70 flying mount areas are made available. You can kill ogres threatening Shattrat, fight in the flying city above Skettis (or so I heard) and help the consortium in the prison of the Ethereum.

The Black Temple is open, and it is apparent a huge BRANCHING dungeon. You do fight Illidan, but you only are a nuisance and you simply slow him down.

A new boss is added in one of the aunchindoom instances... not shadow lab, the one in which you get the shadowlab key. This boss is part of the epic flying form quest.

In addition, a quest chain will be made available for the netherdrake mount.

Read the patch notes, this one will be rather impressive.


(and well, they are doing some unique tweaks which may indicate a level cap increase sooner than expected or an additional source of talents.)

[The Xyco]

Party members will no longer see a hunter who is feigning death as actually dead.
Awww... there goes nearly half the fun I get out of this game.

Players will now be able to access the Looking For Group Channel by joining the Looking For Group/Looking for More tool.
Thank GOD.

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, I'm not sure how the numbering system works, but this is more like a 2.5 patch. It's actually bigger than the pre BC patch.

[The Author]

As far as it was previously, numbering is like this:

X.X.X

X._._ for games

_.X._ Content patches

_._.X Fixes (uses the beta numbering too, so you can go from 1.0.1 to 1.0.34.)

1.X.X was World of Warcraft

2.0.0 was the Pre Burning Crusade patch

2.0.1something was the post BC fix patch.

Now we should get 2.1, the first BC content patch.

And at 245 meg, it is not the biggest patch. I do believe that honor goes to 1.4 which was (IIRC) the Diremaul Blackwing Lair Honor patch. Followed closely by 1.5 which was the Battlegrounds patch.



Also, the reasons why I suspect a level cap or talent point increase is due to some odd fixes between impossible combinations, such as Cold Snap reseting Dragon's Breath and such things.

[i <3 robots]

YES! Gems are finally searchable in the AH in category and by color!

[The Author]

Lots have happened to me on the land of Azeroth.

My mage (an alt) finally reached level 70, and she has her first epic ever, the Frozen Shadoweave Shoulders. I am once again guildless on bloodscalp, and well, I don't care.

Because I started playing a Blood Elf paladin. While I had a level 39 pally, I never really got into it. Now I'm planing to make her a healadin, as with my 4 friends we will have a decent group, and whiel we have a priest, she decided to go shadow, since she has been a main healer for about 2 years now. (I have to admit, going from rogue and mage DPS, a holy paladin is kinda slow.)

Anyway, the reason I am posting is that I recently did a quest called "The Lady's necklace". I recommend you all do it. It's simple. You get a random drop, report it to tranquilien, and then to Undercity. Then something incredibly cool happens. I recommend you turn up the volume and listen to the music. Sylvanas sings in the High Elf language. It's a rather haunting song.

AND I WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN.

So, while I know I could extract the song from the proper MPQ, I don't know how to do this. I hope one of you may either have the song or that you could explain to me how to do it.

[Doulifée]

Anyway, the reason I am posting is that I recently did a quest called "The Lady's necklace". I recommend you all do it. It's simple. You get a random drop, report it to tranquilien, and then to Undercity. Then something incredibly cool happens. I recommend you turn up the volume and listen to the music. Sylvanas sings in the High Elf language. It's a rather haunting song.

AND I WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN.

I concur. Awesome and hypnotising song.

[Raenok]

I concur. Awesome and hypnotising song.

It's called "Lament of the Highborne", for the BC soundtrack. If you notice, all versions of the Eversong Woods background music are based upon this one song, some even in The Ghostlands, sort of.

If I find ANY source of an MP3, I'll be sure to post it here.

Oh, and if any of you guys visit the WoW boards, a CM named Tseric has left after a tirade about Shamans, I think, leaving Blizzard a new job opening for a Community Manager. Looking at said thread, and based on my opinion and the boards as of late, I think Tseric's rant against trolling was deserved.

[KeeganTheFox]

It's called "Lament of the Highborne", for the BC soundtrack. If you notice, all versions of the Eversong Woods background music are based upon this one song, some even in The Ghostlands, sort of.

If I find ANY source of an MP3, I'll be sure to post it here.

Oh, and if any of you guys visit the WoW boards, a CM named Tseric has left after a tirade about Shamans, I think, leaving Blizzard a new job opening for a Community Manager. Looking at said thread, and based on my opinion and the boards as of late, I think Tseric's rant against trolling was deserved.

I have the collectors edition of BC with the OST ripped already. PM me for any of the tracks =D

[Arek the Absolute]

It's called "Lament of the Highborne", for the BC soundtrack. If you notice, all versions of the Eversong Woods background music are based upon this one song, some even in The Ghostlands, sort of.

If I find ANY source of an MP3, I'll be sure to post it here.

Oh, and if any of you guys visit the WoW boards, a CM named Tseric has left after a tirade about Shamans, I think, leaving Blizzard a new job opening for a Community Manager. Looking at said thread, and based on my opinion and the boards as of late, I think Tseric's rant against trolling was deserved.
Yay for people putting in input when not knowing the details.
It isn't just the shaman that went off on him.
Also, who the fuck cares. He went and mouthed himself off one night, which caused a lot of people to go and retaliate. Imagine it as if Darkesword went on the boards one day and just said how he hated everyone and every poster annoyed the hell out of him.

He was a rep of blizzard. Since he was a rep, he should not have mouthed off at all. That and he was a liar anyways, so fuck him.

[Shadow Wolf]

Wow, Blizzard's pushing another 269 megs of the 2.1 patch today. Friggin' HUGE patch. Also, I have Lament of the Highborne, I'll mail it to anyone who wants it.

[Shadow Wolf]

Patch 2.1 has rolled. Hawtness. I loves most of the changes thus far.

[The Author]

Yay, now I can try and get a sword for my rogue. I have a pretty good blue (Ced's carver) but I am finding the dagger style lacking now. I kinda want to move back to swords but none seem to be equat to Ced's

[Ramaniscence]

This would be cooler if Illidan wasn't down....

[operawonderdude]

It would also be cooler if my subscription didn't just friggin' expire on Sunday. D=<

[Shadow Wolf]

Or Stormreaver for that matter.

[irriadin]

it would also be awesome if my 8800gts didn't run like an nvidia fx 5200 since the patch. way to go blizzard. I used to get between 80-100 fps in orgrimmar with everything maxed and 4xAA, now I get 20-30. Great.

[Shonen Samurai]

Reset your fucking UI.

[irriadin]

Reset your fucking UI.

You're utterly brain-dead if you think reseting the UI will fix this kind of problem.

[Shonen Samurai]

You're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[kaijin]

He's right, reset your fucking UI.

also mike, lol

[The Author]

Fucking daily rep quests. I just want a fucking sword for my rogue because dagger is not fun anymore....

[Bigfoot]

My subcription expired a few days ago, and I just let it go. I don't know why, but I can't stay hooked on WoW for the full month I pay for.

[D-Lux]

You're utterly brain-dead if you think reseting the UI will fix this kind of problem.

Shonen's a GM who works for Blizzard, irriadin. He (sometimes) knows what he's talking about. If you think he's brain dead, you're probably right though.

[kaijin]

Shonen's a GM who works for Blizzard, irriadin. He (sometimes) knows what he's talking about. If you think he's brain dead, you're probably right though.

If you mean by sometimes, 99% of the time, then yes. As for him being brain-dead, it doesn't take a lobotomy to realize that the issue the kid is experiencing is one of three things.

1. Interface corruption stemming from modified code left over from the last build. Yes your add-ons probably caused this. It happens when you try to update before resetting your user interface.

2. Memory allocation issues, again likely due to use of modifications or add-ons pre-2.1.0.

3. Corrupted game files. This can happen over time with or without the use of add-ons or modifications.

All three of these issues should be resolved by your standard Reset UI procedure. It'll be pretty great when a game master tells you to do this and you'll give him lip, or not do it properly, then claim it doesn't work. Eventually they'll tell you to run your repair.exe, which will reset your UI, and it'll magically fix your problem. Gee, I wonder why.

[Ramaniscence]

LOL @ MALE ORC SHOULDERS.

http://i10.tinypic.com/6foo8eu.jpg

[OA]

LOL @ MALE ORC SHOULDERS.

http://i10.tinypic.com/6foo8eu.jpg

did he take the first ones from a gnome or something? geez.

I havnt played in about 2 months. My server is a release server with a bad history of amazingly outnumbered horde, so i'm workin on other stuff and just suspending my account. I'd transfer to a coworker's server, but he's on a PVP realm.

I think it's pretty much the end for me; its been a cool 2.5 years but I actually want to play with other people and that just isn't happening. :/

[Russell Cox]

LOL @ MALE ORC SHOULDERS.

http://i10.tinypic.com/6foo8eu.jpg

I'd say about the only thing worse than that is a Paladin in T5 and Merciless Gladiator shit -- they look like a peanut butter & jelly sammich.

[suzumebachi]

DEATH KNIGHTS
woo!

[supremespleen]

Wish I could play this for free.

[Ramaniscence]

DEATH KNIGHTS
woo!


I'll believe it when I see it. Along with Northrend. Though...I wouldn't mind a TRUE shadow priest :o

[OA]

I'll believe it when I see it. Along with Northrend. Though...I wouldn't mind a TRUE shadow priest :o

http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/newrace.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/poster.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/leaflet.jpg

I was pretty skeptical too, but it looks like they are adding a new class. No hero-class BS though, just a straight up new class.

[Ramaniscence]

Poor WarCraft 4...I'll likely never know thee now :(