World of Warcraft

[ILLiterate]

Oh yeah, I started playing again

Parkinsons (27 - Warlock / Horde) ~ Mal'Ganis

I'm in the Something Awful WoW Guild (Goon Squad)

[Imagery]

They did say they planned on an expansion every year after BC. Maybe I'll play again for a few months next year.

(Although, I thought they also said players wouldn't be ready to take on Arthas until at least level 90... I guess the gap between 70 and 80 will be much bigger than expected, just as it was between 60 and 70.)

[Xaleph]

http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/newrace.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/poster.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/expansion/leaflet.jpg

I was pretty skeptical too, but it looks like they are adding a new class. No hero-class BS though, just a straight up new class.

not according to the expansion site they call it a hero class.

http://worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/

[Drack]

Fuck the expansion. It's way too soon to raise the level cap again.

This is spinning out of control and going the way of Everquest - massive mudflation and obsolescence of content less than a year old.

That's too bad. WoW overthrew this paradigm for the longest time. This announcement serves to alienate much of the player population - not everyone is at the top. But without "fashionable" and recent content for those not among the most uber, soon it will be difficult to start and enjoy anything but the high end, which would require large time commitments, something WoW has historically sought to avoid. A pity.



Drack has played MMORPGs for over 6 years

[Bigfoot]

When is it even going to be released(the expansion)? If it's two years from now, then it wouldn't be too soon. I mean, it took Blizzard what, 2 years for the first expansion to come out?

[Drack]

When is it even going to be released(the expansion)? If it's two years from now, then it wouldn't be too soon. I mean, it took Blizzard what, 2 years for the first expansion to come out?

I'm not sure about the validity of the claim that it's a long ways off - From the info leaked so far it seems Blizzard started to work on WLK as soon as TBC launched.

On the other hand, based on Blizzard's track record - LONG development time for TBC, massive amount of content in the expansion, and "content patches" with current non-mudflating free "mini-expansions" along the way, the life of the game can be extended pretty far.

The problem I described arises when a company releases expansions too close together. WoW bucked the trend by releasing TBC 3 years after launch with plenty of content patches (which did not raise the level cap or severely impact the game, quests, and economy) in between. If WLK is released 2 years from now, it won't kill the game. In fact, it may be due - Players are rapidly consuming TBC. This is offset by the fact that TBC is what an expansion should be - a huge amount of new content, with appeals for both casual and hardcore, with a great amount of solo and group content.

The key to making an MMO last without alienating new players is to have expansions large and infrequent, without raising player power a ludicrous amount, and without walling off much content to only apply to those who complete huge timesink quests. TBC was a good expansion. WLK's release date will determine which direction Blizzard is heading.

[OA]

I was pretty skeptical too, but it looks like they are adding a new class. No hero-class BS though, just a straight up new class.

ok, i guess i was totally wrong. I owe you guys ice cream or something :P

[suzumebachi]

Blizzard downloader refuses to work properly trying to download the expansion trailer. Is there a mirror somewhere? Preferably one that isn't a rick roll.....

[Ramaniscence]

Blizzard downloader refuses to work properly trying to download the expansion trailer. Is there a mirror somewhere? Preferably one that isn't a rick roll.....



There's a flash one on the site?

[OA]

flash video worked great for me; the new areas look amazingly good, a lot of upgraded effects as well. the fire coming out of that furnace or whatever is low-poly art of the highest degree.

[Wintermute]

Wow. That trailer looks really, really bad. *sigh* at Blizzard sucking so much recently.

[Doulifée]

they need to enhance azeroth so we can use flying mount. seriously.

[suzumebachi]

Wow that trailer was kinda disappointing. Where's the always badass CGI that Blizzard is known for? :(

Anyways that aside, this looks to be pretty interesting. I'll reserve judgment until there's more details available. All the news sites and forums are awash with rumors and stuff (such as only paladins being able to roll Death Knights, etc), so I guess it'll be up to Blizzard to clear things up.

[cobaltstarfire]

I personally hope they take their time with releasing the expansion, I guess it's my own fault for taking a year long break. But it's really discouraging for me to try to keep up with expansions if they'll be so frequent. It means I'll never get to see some areas given that I'm taking my time and not going all hardcore like before.

[Arek the Absolute]

Another expansion...ok?
Stopping Arthas? What the fuck? That is end of game shit. What are they going to do after Arthas is gone?

I don't know about this move Blizzard, but then again, I stopped playing WoW, so do what you wish.

[Shonen Samurai]

i don't know anything about lore, but wtf blizz, you kill a bad guy from a previous game, this is the end of wow as we know it people will quit gg

[Shonen Samurai]

Wow that trailer was kinda disappointing. Where's the always badass CGI that Blizzard is known for? :(

Anyways that aside, this looks to be pretty interesting. I'll reserve judgment until there's more details available. All the news sites and forums are awash with rumors and stuff (such as only paladins being able to roll Death Knights, etc), so I guess it'll be up to Blizzard to clear things up.

They didn't release a CGI for BC until just before it launched.

[Shonen Samurai]

And to complete the trifecta, here's a rundown (CONFIRMED) of features for the xp and between now and then.

Level Cap: 80
Skill Cap: 450
Continent: Northrend
Number of Zones: 10 (tentatively), for levels 68 and above
Profession: Inscription
Class: Death Knight (first-ever Hero Class)
Features: Outdoor PVP zone with siege weapons and destructible buildings.

Inscription
Wrath of the Lich King will introduce a new profession called Inscription that will let players customize individual spells and abilities in their spell book -- to change the cooldown timer on a Fireball, for example, or alter the crit rate of a healing spell.

Outdoor PvP
One of Northrend's 10 new zones (final count still tentative) is an outdoor PVP zone that introduces the concept of siege weapons (Meat Wagons, Steam Tanks, etc.) and destructible buildings. Blizzard describes the outdoor zone as basically a "non-instanced Battleground" where completing objectives earns world-wide bonuses for your side (Think Spirit Shard buff in Auchindoun instances). The PVP zone is entirely avoidable (if you're the carebear type), and seige weapons won't be useable outside their designated PVP area.

Northrend
Having learned a valuable lesson about funneling 8.5 million players into once single starting zone with The Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King lets players pick a zone on either side of the continent to start from: Borean Tundra in the west or Howling Fjord in the east. Each zone has level-equivalent quests (appropriate for approximately level 68 through 72) and one Hellfire Peninsula-style instance hub with multiple dungeon wings for level 70 characters, level 80 characters, and raiders. While Northrend immediately calls to mind ice and snow, Blizzard doesn't want to make those themes dominate Northrend completely-expect as much variety as ever, only not quite as weird and wild as Outland.

Northrend's indigenous inhabitants include a Viking-like race called the Vrykul: 15-foot-tall humanoids with a strong Norse influence. Most Vrykul you encounter will be your enemies, as they've been in Northrend so long that the Lich King holds a lot of sway over them. Another friendly race -- the walrus-like Tuskarr -- will serve as a cute little counterpoint to the lumbering undead-loving oafs.

World

* Dalaran will be moved and hover above Northrend. It will be used as a neutral capital city.
* There are more daily quests coming in the next patch-- a dungeon daily quest, a battleground daily quest, and a cooking daily quest.


Instances

* A new 25 man dungeon is scheduled for release after Zul'aman, it will have 6 bosses with loots higher than tier 6. Another 5-man instance is also considered. (This will be before the expansion)
* There will be a new CoT instance in the expansion.

PvP
New Battleground

* Siege vehicles that you can drive around
* 15 People in each team
* 30~40 minutes long games.
* The more you blow up, the more honor you get


New Arena Season

* New Season
* New Arena
* New Gear

There will also be a new Outdoor non-instanced world PVP Zone with impact on the whole world. (Even for PVE Servers)

Hero Classes
Hero Classes won't be released all at once because of balancing issues. They're classic Warcraft 3 characters with an "epic feel" (something really different than the ordinary)

The hero class will be created on a new character slot once you completed the quest, you won't lose your original character.

Death Knight

* The current plan is to have the class available for all races.
* Designed to fullfill both tanking and DPS roles
* Can tank using 2H weapons or by Dual-Wielding, no need for shields.
* Rather than using rage, energy, or mana, Death Knights have a special "rune sword" displayed beneath their health bar, onto which the player can etch six different runes (choose between Frost, Blood, and Unholy).
* Rune resource system. Three rune schools: Blood runes, frost, and unholy runes. All DK spells and abilities will use these different runes in some combo. DKs carve these runes into their weapon-- done anytime outside of combat.
* Character portrait has six runes in place of the mana bar (and a special circle around the icon, probably for Hero class). These runes are consume as your spells use them-- they deactivate and then reactivate over time, so if you have two frost and four blood runes, you get that much to use as spells and abilities. We have plans for mechanics that allow you to change one resource type on the fly-- like Warlock's Life Tap (Health=mana).


Let me know if you guys need more information.

[Arek the Absolute]

i don't know anything about lore, but wtf blizz, you kill a bad guy from a previous game, this is the end of wow as we know it people will quit gg

Uh, considering that Arthas is the Lich King, it would be pretty "lore" ending.

Lore in wow = lol though, so bliz can do as they please.

[Shonen Samurai]

Yes, because once we kill Arthas, there's no Kil'jaeden, Sargeras, Old Gods, Elementals, Azshara,

[cobaltstarfire]

Yeah just because one thread in the story is being tied up doesn't mean there aren't lots of dangling ones left over, or new ones to create.

[Arek the Absolute]

shut up i like arthas : (

Plus, I haven't followed the "lore" as of late, but I was certain that it was portrayed in The Frozen Throne that he was the end all bad ass that pretty much owns the world in a sense.

Why would they kill someone so major instead of other major YET minor in comparison with Arthas?

[Ramaniscence]

Yes, because once we kill Arthas, there's no Kil'jaeden, Sargeras, Old Gods, Elementals, Azshara,

Not to mention Deathwing, but like I said before...more importatly, this ruins any story WC4 could possibly have :(


....unless Arthas lives! Kael lives, and I remember hearing Illidan was supposed to, but... :(

[Arek the Absolute]

A warcraft 4 would be so sweet. Sucks that WoW makes another Warcraft strategy game improbably.

Also, I get your point of having other arcs they could do or having other people we could slay, but Arthas was such a huge character in WC3, and considering that there are lesser beings to slay before him, it feels really weird to be going straight for Arthas.

Oh hey, are locks still fucking over powered? I love how the devs favor them.

[suzumebachi]

* Dalaran will be moved and hover above Northrend. It will be used as a neutral capital city.
All lore jokes aside, does this mean we can use flying mounts in Northrend?

Hero Classes won't be released all at once because of balancing issues. They're classic Warcraft 3 characters with an "epic feel" (something really different than the ordinary)
Will they be added in as content patches? Or will they be in future expansions?

The hero class will be created on a new character slot once you completed the quest, you won't lose your original character.
Any idea of what the quest will entail? Hopefully not something ridiculous like the epic hunter quest of old. If it requires killing Illidan I'll probably cry. :(

* The current plan is to have the class available for all races.
GNOMISH DEATH KNIGHTS
woo!

* Can tank using 2H weapons or by Dual-Wielding, no need for shields.
I sense a large disturbance in the forums, as if a million warriors cried out QQ. :lmassoff:

* Rather than using rage, energy, or mana, Death Knights have a special "rune sword" displayed beneath their health bar, onto which the player can etch six different runes (choose between Frost, Blood, and Unholy).
* Rune resource system. Three rune schools: Blood runes, frost, and unholy runes. All DK spells and abilities will use these different runes in some combo. DKs carve these runes into their weapon-- done anytime outside of combat.
* Character portrait has six runes in place of the mana bar (and a special circle around the icon, probably for Hero class). These runes are consume as your spells use them-- they deactivate and then reactivate over time, so if you have two frost and four blood runes, you get that much to use as spells and abilities. We have plans for mechanics that allow you to change one resource type on the fly-- like Warlock's Life Tap (Health=mana).
Hot.

[Arek the Absolute]

How are the balancing issues being handled? Are shaman finally given something to compensate for the shit they have been given? Are locks finally fucking toned down?

If balancing issues is finally something that devs FIX, then I might consider getting this game again. Balance was the major thing that turned me off to the game.

[cobaltstarfire]

I just started playing again a few weeks ago, but my buddy Smot has told me that Warlocks are overpowered, and MS warriors are. I can't really judge myself, all I've encountered in world pvp is rogues, shaman, other druids, and paladins. Smot said they're nerfing locks and ms warriors though soon. I don't really pay attention to that stuff to be honest (it's easy to ignore overpoweredness when you can run away from anything!)

The game has changed a lot since I played last year, I never thought I'd see the day that people are expecting me (I'm a druid) to dps or tank rather than heal. Shaman lightning bolts hurt a lot more then I remember...and paladins are about 10 times easier to kill now.

Either way I'm enjoying the game, more then I was when I quit too. And apparently I'm still an "overpowered healing goddess" despite a year out of practice, so I can still do what I enjoy most in small groups.

Anyone play on Sargeras (horde) or Feathermoon (Alliance)? Go by Lorenith on both (also Llamas on Sarg) please don't try to gank me if you're the opposite faction, I'll either run away or waste about 20 minutes of your time fighting. :p

[Arek the Absolute]

I have 5 40's on Ner'zul. If anyone is interested in joining the game, join there. I have like a shitload of gold and I don't mind mind giving someone 100 to start off.

This of course is when I renew my subscription, which I have no idea when I will be doing that.

[Imagery]

I have 5 40's on Ner'zul. If anyone is interested in joining the game, join there. I have like a shitload of gold and I don't mind mind giving someone 100 to start off.

This of course is when I renew my subscription, which I have no idea when I will be doing that.

If you actually plan on playing you'll want to keep that gold. It'll cover your epic mount at 60 and then if you ever make 70 flying mounts are, what, 600 gold? And that's not even fucking epic.

[OA]

Anyone play on Sargeras (horde) or Feathermoon (Alliance)?

I have a ton of characters on Feathermoon, but most are horde. I have a 61 gnomeish hunny rogue who i havnt played besides popping on to say hi now and againin about a year and a half who is in Apostasy. Most of my RL friends play FM Alliance.

I just rerolled on Blood Furnace horde; my first time trying a pvp server. The server balance is just as bad as feathermoon, but in reverse. Instead of 75% alliance, it's 75% horde. :P Just my luck, but it is nice to be able to get people for groups.

[Doulifée]

If you actually plan on playing you'll want to keep that gold. It'll cover your epic mount at 60 and then if you ever make 70 flying mounts are, what, 600 gold? And that's not even fucking epic.

around that yes, even if making gold in BC is far easier. and around 2000po for the epic flying mount if i remember.

[cobaltstarfire]

Arr I would reroll on blood furnace but...I know I would never actually play there actively for it to be worth it. It's hard enough leveling my FM character (she's been stuck at lv 15 for like...2 weeks now). If you *want* a better balanced PVP server, Sargeras is a 1:1ish ratio and high population, it might be different at lower levels though I have no idea.

Edit: Oh yeah, since I'm here, and you all are happy wow players any suggestions for a background to give this guy (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61149784/)?

[Arek the Absolute]

If you actually plan on playing you'll want to keep that gold. It'll cover your epic mount at 60 and then if you ever make 70 flying mounts are, what, 600 gold? And that's not even fucking epic.

Ech, harsh on the wallet.
OH well, I got around 2k, so I can manage for a bit.

[suzumebachi]

Screw all those other realms.

Join me, Ramaniscence, Fusion2004, Ade, and more, plus several of the top WoW guilds in the world, on Illidan (US) (http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Illidan_US) Horde. First realm to have a guy with both Twin Blades of Azzinoth (http://www.wowwiki.com/Twin_Blades_of_Azzinoth). The realm of the infamous funeral raid. Etc.

[Doulifée]

Screw all those other realms.

Join me, Ramaniscence, Fusion2004, Ade, and more, plus several of the top WoW guilds in the world, on Illidan (US) (http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Illidan_US) Horde. First realm to have a guy with both Twin Blades of Azzinoth (http://www.wowwiki.com/Twin_Blades_of_Azzinoth). The realm of the infamous funeral raid. Etc.

Next step frostmourne?

[Imagery]

Screw all those other realms.

Join me, Ramaniscence, Fusion2004, Ade, and more, plus several of the top WoW guilds in the world, on Illidan (US) (http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Illidan_US) Horde. First realm to have a guy with both Twin Blades of Azzinoth (http://www.wowwiki.com/Twin_Blades_of_Azzinoth). The realm of the infamous funeral raid. Etc.

If I ever decided to resub, I would probably roll there.

[Bigfoot]

I think I'm kind of glad I stop playing this game and other MMOs(maybe for good). There's just so much other stuff I do now instead of playing these all day. Although they were good times, there's just not much time to dedicate like I used to say back in high school. Maybe I'm just burnt out from MMOs since I've played them since middle school(10+ years). :P

I can't even imagine how much time it must have taken to get those swords though if the first person got them only days ago. Those are sick though.

[Ramaniscence]

I think I'm kind of glad I stop playing this game and other MMOs(maybe for good). There's just so much other stuff I do now instead of playing these all day. Although they were good times, there's just not much time to dedicate like I used to say back in high school. Maybe I'm just burnt out from MMOs since I've played them since middle school(10+ years). :P

I can't even imagine how much time it must have taken to get those swords though if the first person got them only days ago. Those are sick though.

Blood Legion has a ridiculous raid schedule. More ridiculous even than Nihilum (the best guild in the world) so I've heard. It's something like 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, 3 monthes of benching (ie being on during the raid hours in case someone else drops) for a trial period with no chance of loot until your trial period is over.

HOWEVER I'm pretty sure they're sponsored. I know Team Ice and Nihilum are. So at that point it's PROBABLY a little more worth it...but just a little. I'd never want to put in that kind of time...plus they probably get SCREAMED at on vent, and I'm never one for getting screamed at...my guild is almost bad enough as it is -_-



Also: Wikipedia says April 1st release date for WotLK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrath_of_the_Lich_King). I don't know if that's true..but I kind of really hope it's not :(. I'm barely done with TBC. I JUST hit 375 tailoring, and BARELY anyone has downed Illidan. Illidan is going to become like Naxx 2k8. END OF THE GAME for like 5 monthes maybe a hand full of people clear it, and everyone else is like dude whateva utni the expansion comes out :(

[cobaltstarfire]

I think I'm kind of glad I stop playing this game and other MMOs(maybe for good). There's just so much other stuff I do now instead of playing these all day. Although they were good times, there's just not much time to dedicate like I used to say back in high school. Maybe I'm just burnt out from MMOs since I've played them since middle school(10+ years). :P

I can't even imagine how much time it must have taken to get those swords though if the first person got them only days ago. Those are sick though.

Dunno, I only play WoW 2-3 hours at a time and sometimes skip a day or three...I've gone from 60-66 in about two weeks. Instances are way easy now too, compared to the old ones. I dunno about raids, but I'm more interested in getting into the arena stuff with my friends anyway once I hit 70.

Granted I'm killing my subscription again at the end of this month cause school starts again soon, and I can't afford to have any distractions this semmester

[Drack]

Oh hey, are locks still fucking over powered? I love how the devs favor them.

You bet. Locks and hunters still rape much more than they should. Demo locks in particular in PvE. Plus, drain life -> life tap -> repeat = endless free damage (much more than wand), you can GAIN mana doing it.

Think I'm gonna level my chars (67 priest, 55 lock) to 70 then sell the account. My friends are getting ready to do the same and there's NO CHANCE I'd play an mmo without them. I'm gonna finish up and GTFO before the next expansion hits.

[Shonen Samurai]

Screw all those other realms.

Join me, Ramaniscence, Fusion2004, Ade, and more, plus several of the top WoW guilds in the world, on Illidan (US) (http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Illidan_US) Horde. First realm to have a guy with both Twin Blades of Azzinoth (http://www.wowwiki.com/Twin_Blades_of_Azzinoth). The realm of the infamous funeral raid. Etc.

more like illidown
more like illidrama
more li

[Shonen Samurai]

Think I'm gonna level my chars (67 priest, 55 lock) to 70 then sell the account. My friends are getting ready to do the same and there's NO CHANCE I'd play an mmo without them. I'm gonna finish up and GTFO before the next expansion hits.

http://www.netzeitung.de/img/0088/166288.jpg

[Ramaniscence]

Someone made a really good point today on GAF. The end of "normal WoW" and Burning Crusade brought all these really cool raids like Kel'thuzad, SSC, Archimonde, Illidan...so you can really experience that whole "in the world of Warcraft" thing but....the only people that really get to do them are people who'd kill them no matter WHO they are just to be the first in te world to kill XX end game WoW boss.

With stuff like C'thun or Ragnaros and stuff I never really felt like I was missing out on much, but now that I'm being deprived of Illidan and Archimonde...it's a big let down. I'll NEVER know what it's like to fight Arthas. I'll never even SEE Mount Hyjal...yet people who don't even care get to =\.

[cobaltstarfire]

You really aren't missing much with Molten Core in general (although some of Ragnoras's scripting was pretty amusing)

But I do think a lot of people are missing out on Blackwing Lair, that instance kind of horrified the druid in me. Working through the Dark Horde, doing the stuff with Thrall and Rexxar, and then going through Nefarians freaky little science lab and such is quite a trip. (Also the first encounter is lol).

AQ40/20 and ZG were fun instances with good encounters, and an interseting story. I never got to see Naxx though, but I heard that Blizzard is poking it for some sort of use in the expansion?

Maybe with the expansion they'll be able to upgrade the old raids too, so that they'll be worth visiting still even at end game. They said they couldn't with MC/BWL/AQ/Naxx but I think that might have been because of the need for 40 people, and if they wanted to bring them forward they'd want to rebalanced the raids for 10-25 mans or something. But maybe they'll be able to with the BC ones.

[Drack]

disturbing imageWhat, making sure I actually quit when I say I do?

Believe me, an MMO without friends is garbage. To be honest, they're the only reason I'm playing now. I will indeed leave when they do, which should be soon (They're already hyping the shit out of other games, like Spellborn (http://www.tcos.com/))

[The Xyco]

I find it rather funny that, with the announcement of the next expansion, all the gear that was so painstakingly obtained by the daily raiders and more "hardcore" players of the game will likely be replaced by greens and quest rewards obtained through menial tasks. And even if not completely replaced, the gap will close considerably, nullifying the advantage.

I really wish there was a more effective way at letting players from different servers interact with each other. I know so many people who play this game, and we're all spread across the board.

Also, does anyone play on Mannoroth, Arthas, or Thunderlord?

[suzumebachi]

What, making sure I actually quit when I say I do?

Not quite. You see, Shonen works for Blizzard. And you see, selling your account is illegal.

[Shonen Samurai]

Who says I work for Blizzard? That sounds ridiculous. If I did, I certainly wouldn't want people saying I did on a public forum, since I believe that's pretty frowned upon in the company.

[Bigfoot]

I find it rather funny that, with the announcement of the next expansion, all the gear that was so painstakingly obtained by the daily raiders and more "hardcore" players of the game will likely be replaced by greens and quest rewards obtained through menial tasks. And even if not completely replaced, the gap will close considerably, nullifying the advantage.

I really wish there was a more effective way at letting players from different servers interact with each other. I know so many people who play this game, and we're all spread across the board.

Also, does anyone play on Mannoroth, Arthas, or Thunderlord?

Ahh, good ol' MMORPGs.. you do so much work to gear up your character, only to have to do it again in a future expansion.

I used to play on Arthas. lvl 57 Rogue that I solo'd most of the time, except when I needed to go in an instance dungeon for a quest or whatever.

[The Author]

I'm gonna buy the expansion, play for three or four months, and then I'll wait for the next one.

[Vilecat]

Hey! Haven't been around for a while, but you know what to blame =P

I barely got to 70 and i really wanna have a chance to raid before the next xpac comes out. The only other solution from playing with friends is making some in game or get in a guild. Doesn't always work though, but you might at least have someone to chat with while you grind. And the new xpac news is meh, they need to fix a shitload of things before adding more.

Oh yeah, right :
Aggamagan/Vilecat/Remei/BE/Priestlv70
Aggamagan/Vilecat/Murimae/Tauren/Druidlv34
lol low pop server. Sucks to find a group for a run without guildies at higher level, unless you're a tank.



Now let me go back to farming those friggin cloths and primals, i need them badly for my shadoweave set.


(Btw, how can any of you play alli? I can't even stand looking at them, really. Must be because the ones on our server suck hard except when they outrageously outgear you. And they're all fugly looking, except maaaaybe Draenei chicks)

[suzumebachi]

Who says I work for Blizzard? That sounds ridiculous. If I did, I certainly wouldn't want people saying I did on a public forum, since I believe that's pretty frowned upon in the company.

:tomatoface:
That's right, Shonen works for ...food.

On an interesting note, I saw a troll hunter with the guild name <Will PK for Water> farming water motes under Halaa. I lol'd.

[Sir_NutS]

Level 63 NE Priest on Andhorhal.

Maybe I will join with a new char in the server where suzu and others play, IF I come back to WoW. Account has been suspended for a couple of months now XD.

[Drack]

Uh oh, looks like I'm getting busted for talking about selling my account. Oh noes what shall I evar do?

Food for thought: Gold farming affects the game's economy. Accounts switching hands does not.

[cobaltstarfire]

Sure but blizzard wants all its players to actually pay for the game. Now instead of two people paying for WoW+BC only one person is. It also goes against their terms of service thingy so meh.

Not that I care or anything, at least you get to make a few extra bucks off it that you put into the game right?

[Lithuaniancookin]

This dude wrote a pretty funny article about quitting WoW:

http://hollywoodhighlife.blogspot.com/

I like how one of the steps to quitting is to recruit all of your friends, haha.

[FlagshipAmadeus]

Lvl 24 Human Warlock on Wildhammer ~_^

I always play for a few months then get bored and start up again half a year later.....

[Grimalkin]

My WoW friends are all talking about Spellborn too.

I'll probably keep playing until I've got my favorite classes all up to 70 just for kicks. Right now my highest is a 55 lock on Rexxar.

[Raenok]

Level 54 Orc Hunter, Moon Guard, transferred from Alleria. And yes, Role-playing is fun.

To those that will say 'lol RP': lol PvP.

[Vilecat]

Hey, why didn't i get added? :,(

And if anything should be said, it's "lol PvE"

[The Author]

Wow, this thread's still around?

Well, I started playing again. What got me to try again was the 10 free days and the changes on shadowstep.

What got me to stay was the incredible amount of fun my warrior has become. She was a classic arms/fury and then around level 52 I switched to protection. I am never gonna regret that choice. I don't mind the lowered DPS for the survivability tradeoff. (and pretty soon I'll have yet another 70 character with most talents placed in the far right tree, rogue subtlety, frost mage and prot warrior.)

[Doulifée]

i'm trying to get used to a wizard.

[The Author]

i'm trying to get used to a wizard.

About being a wizard:

1: You are mainly there for the bread and water, don't kid yourself.

2: Control your DPS. In bad groups, you will pull aggro, so if you crit a lot, switch to wand for a while.

3: Fire = Good. Frost = Good. Arcane = Uh? I used to be arcane, and I realised that I ran out of mana too fast, and that a fire or frost mage was a lot better. Right now I'm full frost and I have to say, it's fun. Especially when you PVP with a fire mage close by.

[OA]

been playing arenas and BGs mostly when I have time, but having fun;
:-)

here iz mah pokeman:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blood%20Furnace&n=Hopefails

[Hum4n After All]

Any other new on Blizzard's and Activision's merge?
Is there a thread on that already?

[sephfire]

I've been playing Alliance on Stormreaver and Horde on Thunderhorn. It's been hard to play much with all the great console games last month threw at me.

[Azure Prower]

Any other new on Blizzard's and Activision's merge?
Is there a thread on that already?

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=13445

Go nutz!

[Imagery]

I've been considering starting up for a number of reasons. The recent changes to hunters (namely nix on the dead zone and little bonuses like arcane shot dispel) sound delicious. The 10 free days is nice, and a good friend who raids extensively is replacing my old roommate so I can mooch one of those invites off of him. Only, it'll have to wait until next semester, because right now I don't have A) time or B) the discs to reinstall.

[Russell Cox]

About being a wizard:

1: You are mainly there for the bread and water, don't kid yourself.

2: Control your DPS. In bad groups, you will pull aggro, so if you crit a lot, switch to wand for a while.

3: Fire = Good. Frost = Good. Arcane = Uh? I used to be arcane, and I realised that I ran out of mana too fast, and that a fire or frost mage was a lot better. Right now I'm full frost and I have to say, it's fun. Especially when you PVP with a fire mage close by.

Arcane is a raiding spec, so stick with either first or frost per flavor.

And come on, we all know pulling aggro is in. All the cool kids do it!

[Super-Duper Sombrero]

I play on Garithos, 70 Warrior named Sombrero (Alliance).

It's a low pop server, so there's not much ganking or World PvP activity, but we've got some good raiding guilds. There's a guy on our server who has both of Illidan's Warglaives.

I'm usually willing to help, so if you ever wanna make a character there, shoot me up with some PM action.

[Straziante]

WoW thread? Super. I'm bad hooked again. 61 rogue on Ghostlands named Amica. Horde > Alliance.

Just wish we could trade the Tauren for the Draenei. Too bad the WC story would never allow that to happen... :???:

[sephfire]

Ceili and I are still hooked too. Alliance characters on Stormreaver and Horde on Thunderhorn.

[Straziante]

So do any of you Horde players have the pleasure of seeing "The Crossroads is under attack!" spamming your world defense channel as much as we do here on Ghostlands? Seems like it's nonstop.

Also I received my biggest honor last night. I was whispered and told that I was on a Kill-on-Sight list. Yay for me! Probably from sneaking into Darnassus and killing their tree-people on a daily basis...

[Shadow Wolf]

AHAHAHAHAHAHA! I QUIT. I realized after 6 weeks of trying to orchestrate a reliable group to run me through Strat for my pally mount that I just did not give a shit anymore. That and the fact that I consistently played with 2+ seconds of lag for over 10 months, so I realized that moving forward and trying to be worth a crap in PvP just wasn't going to work. So I quit. I've enjoyed life quite a bit more since then. That is all.

[Didaji]

I havent played for over 7 months now, no plans to go back to WoW either, but hey, thats what i said before BC too :D *cry*

[Kanthos]

The crossroads are always under attack on my server, and I'm not even PvP. I've got a level 70 blood elf mage on Tanaris, in a casual guild. We've downed Gruul a couple times and have a large number of people who have cleared Kara, but we're not really a raiding guild. I still play pretty regularly; if nothing else, I at least log in every day to do my daily transmute and hopefully discover more alchemy recipes.

[Raziellink]

Man, i had a 11 month hiatus, but came crawling back. Been playing again for 4 months now.

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not that I don't like the game, I love it. But, on the internet connection I have at home, it became truly more frustration than fun to play, so I nixed it until I can find a better connection. Add to that the fact that I have no extra time and no extra money to play right now, and it was just time to hang it up. But I would like to play again once Lich King comes out.

[Straziante]

So i got bored and decided to be a retard and go after Tyrande Whisperwind alone. I have never laughed so hard because of a game ever.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/straziante/fight_tyrande01.jpg
Got the ambush of without being detected, but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/straziante/fight_tyrande02.jpg
Tyrande's guards decided to cluster-fuck me for some reason.


EDIT: Resized. Ouch were those big.

[Sir_NutS]

Anyone around here plays horde on Burning Blade? My mains are on Andorhal but I started a horde char with some friends on Burning Blade, so if anyone plays there, hit me up.

Andorhal \ Macrona \ Nelf \ 70 \ Shadow Priest
Andorhal \ Jolichet \ Draenei \ 65 \ Disc/Holy Priest

Burning Blade \ Anakleta \ Tauren \ 6 \ Warrior

[Patrick Burns]

It's not that I don't like the game, I love it. But, on the internet connection I have at home, it became truly more frustration than fun to play, so I nixed it until I can find a better connection. Add to that the fact that I have no extra time and no extra money to play right now, and it was just time to hang it up. But I would like to play again once Lich King comes out.

I've got a 64 pally. The only reason I play anymore is for my rl friends - the kind of friends that will loan you 250g and organize a strat, scholo, and dm runs for your pally horse. They help me level, and I help them level. Unless I see them on, I usually just log off.

My biggest issue is that the story and character of the game becomes more nonexistent the more you play. I think that's a huge shame since Blizzard obviously has some outstanding artists.

[GenericDerrick]

Ew, I've been playing WoW since it came out..I have a level 70 Night Elf Warrior and a 24 Dwarf Paladin I just started. Once you hit 70 all the fun stops unless you can get into an amazing raiding guild, it's retarded. And unless you like PvP you don't really have any options other than that. I've actually been shying away from WoW as of late to play Smash instead 'cause that's more fun.

[Kanthos]

The trick to playing WoW without being in a hardcore raiding guild is to not do it obsessively, at least not once you hit the level cap. I've been in Karazhan a few times and done a few heroics, and while I'm still working on rep grinding and getting better loot out of Karazhan, I'm not tied to playing every night. I log in daily to do an alchemy transmute, but I don't feel bad if I take a week off from regular playing.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Anyone plays on Demon Soul? (Horde)
I have a 40 and I used to play with a RL friend of mine, but hes in boot camp for another month and a half and the hes going to special training for 2 more :(
So I basically don't play much anymore. Its not as fun when you play it with people you know well.

[Sir_NutS]

The trick to playing WoW without being in a hardcore raiding guild is to not do it obsessively, at least not once you hit the level cap. I've been in Karazhan a few times and done a few heroics, and while I'm still working on rep grinding and getting better loot out of Karazhan, I'm not tied to playing every night. I log in daily to do an alchemy transmute, but I don't feel bad if I take a week off from regular playing.

The fun for me starts at 70, unless you have a levelling buddy (a RL friend works best). Karazhan is lots of fun and there's the ocassional mag/gruuls pug, I'm at 1100 shadow dmg unbuffed with my shadow priest so its not hard at all to find a spot in a raid. There's also Zul'aman and in the next patch, Magister's terrace which will give us casual players more to look up to.

[Ramaniscence]

So i got bored and decided to be a retard and go after Tyrande Whisperwind alone. I have never laughed so hard because of a game ever.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/straziante/fight_tyrande01.jpg
Got the ambush of without being detected, but...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/straziante/fight_tyrande02.jpg
Tyrande's guards decided to cluster-fuck me for some reason.


EDIT: Resized. Ouch were those big.

I've never even made it INTO Darnassus before. Heck I never even got off the dock without dying too much. I've solo'd Velen a few times, though. He's easy to get to.

[Kanthos]

I did a corpse run into Darnassus at level 40 because I was bored, so I know what it's like to have all those mobs spawn on you when you're in sight of Whisperwind.

[Shadow Wolf]

I did a corpse run into Darnassus at level 40 because I was bored, so I know what it's like to have all those mobs spawn on you when you're in sight of Whisperwind.

Yeah, I walked into Darnassus and took his fucking STAFF. Because I played Alliance.

[chocobo150]

My character is Amoserious on Arygos.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4821/wowscrnshot032308170931cw0.jpg

Needs more Hunters.

[Ramaniscence]

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Also:

http://www.dougarley.com/wow/rollPwnt.jpeg

and

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[GeckoYamori]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9025/wowscrnshot032508122330ny7.jpg Orc bitches 4 lyfe
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1155/wowscrnshot032208014931if0.jpg When shamans are bored
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2802/wowscrnshot022308211220bg9.jpg Nobody loves Gorbachev

[Lord.Roderick.i]

My character is Amoserious on Arygos.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4821/wowscrnshot032308170931cw0.jpg

Needs more Hunters.
I used to have a 70 Tauren druid in Arygos, but I sold it :P
I still have friends that play there though.

EDIT: BTW Ramaniscence, I cant see any of your pictures.

[Straziante]

I've never even made it INTO Darnassus before. Heck I never even got off the dock without dying too much. I've solo'd Velen a few times, though. He's easy to get to.


I was 61 at the time of those pics. Vanishing while you're already in stealth is the best way to sneak past higher level guards without alerting anyone else around you that there is an intruder. I respecced subtlety since I began to enjoy the sneaky stuff better than the combat dps. Plus, there only 9.234234 x 10^3 combat mace rogues out there.

[Straziante]

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9025/wowscrnshot032508122330ny7.jpg Orc bitches 4 lyfe
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1155/wowscrnshot032208014931if0.jpg When shamans are bored
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2802/wowscrnshot022308211220bg9.jpg Nobody loves Gorbachev

What mod is that? It's gorgeous.

[GeckoYamori]

It's no mod, I built the interface myself. I never liked all those pre-made GUIs, they always clutter the screen with tons of shit. Then again, I don't raid.

[Straziante]

It's no mod, I built the interface myself. I never liked all those pre-made GUIs, they always clutter the screen with tons of shit. Then again, I don't raid.

Fantastic. Did you use the UI tool from the WoW site? I hate the standard interface as well.

[OA]

Boo, I wanted to check Gecko's UI, but the links do not work for me. :-(

The patch came with pretty much no issues for me, and the new stuff is awesome; lots of healer-friendly dailies, and the new 5man is fun with some good quest rewards. Very cool final boss fight too. I was with a pretty terrible pick up group but managed to see it all. Good stuff for me since I'm bored with raiding and just assist in the pwnage of nubs in PVP.

[Ramaniscence]

EDIT: BTW Ramaniscence, I cant see any of your pictures.

Hmmm, that's odd. Maybe you tried to look when the site was down because they work fine for me...is anyone els ehaving that problem?


Also: My UI and Music mods are near and dear to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxttpBeRlN8

[Sir_NutS]

Guys guys check this out!!!1!

Some guy came with an AMAZING addon that breaks the /random algorythm and makes ALL your rolls go over 99!!!

I tried it already and works like a charm, already ninja'ed a couple of epics from a TK raid, wow just download it and check it out!!!

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8583-HighRoller.html#info

This one gets Nuts' seal of approval.

[GeckoYamori]

New hero class: Bard (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/bard/bardclass.xml#)

[Straziante]

I would love this gag more if I wasn't a hardcore Amplitude fan :lol: reminds me of the I Am Murloc video, though, which isn't a bad thing in the slightest

[atmuh]

i am bumping this simply because i know a ton of you people have surrendered your souls to this game and id like to know who so i can laugh at you

[OA]

I still play a few times a week. Pretty fun stuff. :-)

[RedTigrr]

Well I can happily say that I'm one of the few (along with my circle of friends) that does NOT play WoW..... even though my brother has been trying for the past couple of years to get me to play.

If he couldn't get me to play Evercrack, then there's no way he'll convince me to play this.

[atmuh]

edit your sig swearing is bad

[The Xyco]

Still on here an there. Actually just started a new character on Maiev.

Game pretty much lost its appeal for me at level 65. When everyone has a dragon mount and tier whatever armor, any sense of accomplishment is totally lost.

Can't be asked to invest more than half an hour to play at time too, unless I end up in a group of people who aren't total weeaboos (Never).


Also: Everquest, in retrospect, was a million times more immersive than WoW.

[EdgeCrusher]

Ive seen people around here actually lose their jobs and houses due to playing WoW too much. They totally deserved it though cause those 3 guys are dicks, but still.

[GeckoYamori]

My account got hacked twice last month when an 0day flash security hole was mass-exploited (rendering all the usual countermeasures for trojans and keyloggers useless). Now my account is locked pending investigation, and I've heard many others have had to wait up to several months, sometimes without even getting their items back. If it's going to take that long I probably won't continue playing. Not until Lich King is out anyway.

[Bigfoot]

My friend's account just got hacked too. I've never seen anyone so bummed, heh.

I'm playing WoW(WAITING ON WARHAMMER) LOLOLOL. j/k

Well, actually I'm playing WAR Beta :P

[Broken]

After much harrasment/counseling, I've weaned my friend off of WoW. I was okay with the game until it started getting in the way of melee sessions. Freaking guilds (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+Guild&search_type=&aq=f)

[Elex Synn]

I just recently rejoin the stupid game after leaving it for 3 months for Lord of the Rings online -_-...

About to go pick up Age of Conan tomorrow in hopes for a new addiction when I'm not at class.

[The Xyco]

Ha! Got hacked.

Account was banned in the past two hours when I wasn't on D:

Probably a good thing, don't need to be playing this game anyway. Actually more worried about the billing info being compromised.

[Ramaniscence]

How do you people get addicted to WoW anyway?

[suzumebachi]

update your Flash peoples

[The Xyco]

How do you people get addicted to WoW anyway?
Game is designed to reward the players who invest more time into it, essentially.

[Ramaniscence]

Game is designed to reward the players who invest more time into it, essentially.

Define reward?

I've done nearly everything short of hardcore raiding, and I wouldn't call myself at ALL addicted, if anything I'm struggling just to find something to do IN WoW when I'm not just helping other people level their characters.

I'm WAY to lazy to level a new character myself. It's a miracle that I even got MINE to 70 over the course of...what? 3 or 4 years or something.

[The Xyco]

Define reward?

I've done nearly everything short of hardcore raiding, and I wouldn't call myself at ALL addicted, if anything I'm struggling just to find something to do IN WoW when I'm not just helping other people level their characters.

I'm WAY to lazy to level a new character myself. It's a miracle that I even got MINE to 70 over the course of...what? 3 or 4 years or something.
I was supposing that you hadn't played it all, but I think you may see my point better knowing that you have (I played it about as far as you did).

The game grants you rewards for investing more time completing repetitive tasks (quests, raids, even PvP). The more time you spend completing these, the more rewards you accumulate.

Rewards here meaning a variety of things. In-game money, experience and levels, mounts, items, gear, various nick-knacks to show off, etc.

Generally speaking, the most addicting factor of the game is the desire to get these kinds of rewards -- which require considerable time to obtain, especially when you are competing with other people to get the same items. If you see someone strutting around in Tier 6 (or whatever) armor riding a dragon mount, you can bet he put the hours in for it. People will see that, and they'll want it too, and they'll do just the same.

Part of the game's design is to calculate the highest point of a Laffer curve of getting the most amount of people to invest the most amount of time before they get the next big reward. If it takes too long, people won't bother, and they'll lose interest. If it's too easy, it won't be worth much, and again they'll lose interest.

Really, what makes WoW so "addicting" is that there are various types of rewards that appeal to various playstyles that keep the player's interest at any given moment in the progression of the game. For example, I couldn't be bothered to invest a few hours to get to level 66, but I spent just as much time running AV again and again to get an epic mount.

[neminem]

Yeah, so I hardly ever come into the forums anymore, but I'm one of those people now, and I might as well say so here.

Started playing WoW when I graduated last winter; almost have a 70. Namely, I just hit 69 last night. Shouldn't be too much longer. Once I hit 70, I expect I'll probably start leveling a second, and log onto the first only every once in a while, or when I have friends to group with.

Oh, and I'm on Runetotem, for the record. Half the reason I joined the WoW-playing ranks was cause a bunch of people I know from college started a guild back in the beginning, which I'm now in. If any of you are ever on Runetotem, and you see a member of 7 Scientists, they almost certainly went to Mudd (or another of the Claremont colleges, and know a Mudder).

Kingdom of Loathing's still the game I care the most about, though. Over 2/3s of the way done with my oxyloop! (Something which doesn't take very many hours, but takes about 6 months of not many hours).

[GeckoYamori]

The raiding aspect is the only "addicting" part of WoW. I have never seen an addict who isn't a hardcore raider. When you put so much time, resources and effort into coordinating a group of 40/25 people for hours upon hours, it's easy to view it as something much more than just a game.

[suzumebachi]

I quit playing because I literally carried my groups every time I ran instances, and my guildmates were always bitching at me to raid with them. Most of the time I'd blow them off, but sometimes I'd oblige, and even more rarely I'd actually get some loot and then they'd give me a ridiculous guilt trip and say things like "SEE NOW YOU'RE GETTING GEARED ENOUGH TO HELP US OUT MORE!" when really, all i want to do is make engineering shit (really disappointed with engineering in TBC btw), kill the shit out of people in PvP, and occassionally go raid alliance towns and make life living hell for lowbies.

I started playing again recently, but I've mostly just been leveling alts because every time I log on my mains they bitch at me to do zul'aman or some other shit I honestly couldn't care less about.

[The Author]

I suffered from Tank burnout.

Always had to log on before raid time, then I waited around in Stormwind, then we started the raid late, and well, I'm all covered in purples, why the hell am I still here? Get another tank in and gear him up, I have a mage or a rogue that could use some purple goodness.

[Bigfoot]

There's a rumor that with WotLK release that Blizzard is going to introduce an achievements system.

[kaijin]

In case anyone here is interested, I'm selling a ton of blizzard/blizzcon swag including an unused Murloc Suit/Beta key card. I had quit playing by the time Blizzcon rolled around, and so it's all unopened. I could seriously use the cash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250258102402

[The Xyco]

Okay, question -- in case anyone has gone through this before.

Get in today, finally have internet again. Bout to get on with some friends when I get a login error.

Account is gone. Deleted. Poof. Kaput. Not there anymore.

As I mentioned before, I had gotten hacked last week. Emailed them. Next day, I get back form work and see that Blizz had responded to the email I sent them declaring my innocence in the affair (spamming).

I get my account back, everything is cleared up. For good measure, I changed my password. Never bothered to check the verification emails about the password change. Kept playing for two more days, no problems. Took a trip to girlfriend's for the weekend, who has no internet, but I wasn't even thinking about it.

Get back today, and poof! Gone. Not even locked, but gone.

My email account had a number of Blizzard emails, a number of which were about password change verification. The last one was about "Account retrieval instructions" which had an attached PDF that instructed me to mail or fax a form asking for ID info -- including a copy of an ID card (Government or School ID)

The email came from an account management email account at Blizzard, but it seems rather suspect to go through that much hassle to retrieve my account. Honestly, I could give less than two shits about my characters, I"m more interested in playing the damn game. I could just skip it and get a new account, but that of course is fifty some odd dollars.

Anyway, question: is this a scam? I'm naturally not going to trust an email that says "Send us a copy of your ID", but I wonder if anyone had gone through this before.

[atmuh]

There's a rumor that with WotLK release that Blizzard is going to introduce an achievements system.

Go Kill Yourself - 100G
Accumulate 500 total days of playtime

[Ramaniscence]

Okay, question -- in case anyone has gone through this before.

Get in today, finally have internet again. Bout to get on with some friends when I get a login error.

Account is gone. Deleted. Poof. Kaput. Not there anymore.

As I mentioned before, I had gotten hacked last week. Emailed them. Next day, I get back form work and see that Blizz had responded to the email I sent them declaring my innocence in the affair (spamming).

I get my account back, everything is cleared up. For good measure, I changed my password. Never bothered to check the verification emails about the password change. Kept playing for two more days, no problems. Took a trip to girlfriend's for the weekend, who has no internet, but I wasn't even thinking about it.

Get back today, and poof! Gone. Not even locked, but gone.

My email account had a number of Blizzard emails, a number of which were about password change verification. The last one was about "Account retrieval instructions" which had an attached PDF that instructed me to mail or fax a form asking for ID info -- including a copy of an ID card (Government or School ID)

The email came from an account management email account at Blizzard, but it seems rather suspect to go through that much hassle to retrieve my account. Honestly, I could give less than two shits about my characters, I"m more interested in playing the damn game. I could just skip it and get a new account, but that of course is fifty some odd dollars.

Anyway, question: is this a scam? I'm naturally not going to trust an email that says "Send us a copy of your ID", but I wonder if anyone had gone through this before.

Not a scam. If for whatever reason you can't remember your password AND your security question, you have to fax them a valid ID (and some kind of form iirc) in order to get it back. A friend of mine had to do it not too long ago.

Also: rumor my foot. (http://deathknight.info/2008/06/wotlk-to-introduce-achievement-system/)

[suzumebachi]

You know what would be nice? If those achievement points could be used to somehow level up faster. Y'know, maybe if you've got a certain number of achievements, you can start your alts at a higher level, or they get more XP, or something.

[starla]

Won't you be able to start death knights at level 35 or something as long as you have another character over 60?

[Ramaniscence]

Won't you be able to start death knights at level 35 or something as long as you have another character over 60?

55 and 55, n00b.

Give me a pally @ level 55, then we'll talk :|

[OA]

Give me a pally @ level 55, then we'll talk :|


Don't you play a priest? Man, the grass is always greener..

[Ramaniscence]

Don't you play a priest? Man, the grass is always greener..

That doesn't mean I don't want an unbreakable bubble and instant-full heals :o

My survivability is pretty damn good, but not THAT good.

[OA]

That doesn't mean I don't want an unbreakable bubble and 1 hour cooldown instant-full heal that cost all of my mana. :o

My survivability is pretty damn good, but not THAT good.
^
fixed

ah ok, you are talking about keeping *yourself* alive, and yeah, it takes about 3 dudes to take me down.
However, keep *others* alive is more difficult as a paladin, thus me rolling a priest.

[suzumebachi]

it took about 7 dudes to take down my druid when he was specced resto

or one warlock

but he couldn't kill anything so i respecced feral

ps: he still can't kill anything. i miss being a boomkin but nobody wants you for groups

[Yoshi3gg]

My main is a resto druid. I love healing instances, and it's fun in PvP as well. If I'm holding a node in AB, I can have four guys wailing on me and I'll usually be able to hold out long enough for some backup to arrive. Good fun!

Unless one of those guys is a lock with a felhunter. DAMN those things are annoying.

[OA]

it took about 7 dudes to take down my druid when he was specced resto



yeah i'd also like a druid too :-)

I can't kill casters, but 1 on 1 (or even 1 on 2) I can take down rogues...eventually.

[Eten]

I stopped playing my resto druid a while ago but it was pretty fun to balance HoTs on you and teammates while rolling out CC and being uncatchable. I don't know how it changed since then. Although it was cool that you could be virtually unkillable and could lead mindless objective-ignoring alliance all over the place, it was amazing when I partnered up with my SL/SL lock buddy and MS warrior in BGs. It was a combination of CC, damage, healing, and survivability all in one because as a druid you can rotate your CC while maintaining massive healing through HoTs and never have to strain your mana with direct heals.

There were so many options and contingency options... You know like how any warrior in a BG with heals can be a serious force of power, but to also have a SL/Sl lock around that can go against 3 other casters solo while never running out of steam? It was then ridiculous, we had more than enough CC to watch each other's backs. It was almost our goal to purposefully make the other players feel bad as we, without communication, would alternate off fears and cyclones and roots on two players as we killed and kited and healed through the other three.

Then again, that was also around the time that Disc priests become so survivable that I watched a troll priest casually wand a lone warrior to death at the farm AB node ending with full health and mana without saying a word. Poor alliance, they just never understood how much of a difference there was when our Horde pugs would have players that wouldn't just heal, but also even dispel deathcoil off of their teammates even while we're farming the kills out of the spawn points.

My goal was always to make a 5v5 team of a warrior, warlock, priest, hunter, and druid to show off just how effective a mobile, flexible, and CC heavy endurance team would succeed, but I never managed to find a talented hunter for that.

[blue.nocturne]

I personally have developed a hatred for druids and rogues this season, despite how a rogue is my main partner and I have a few druid friends.

Who's in range of making gladiator this season btw? Season 4 is going to start soon!

[Ramaniscence]

I personally have developed a hatred for druids and rogues this season, despite how a rogue is my main partner and I have a few druid friends.

Who's in range of making gladiator this season btw? Season 4 is going to start soon!

Cheaters. That's who.

S3 was ridiculous broke. I lost help when every 2v2 fight I joined was people in full vengeful. Even in the 1400-1500 bracket. I think I MAYBE got into the 1580s once, but I'd have to play late at night.

I can stick destroyed S3 warriors solo, though.

[Super-Duper Sombrero]

Cheaters. That's who.

S3 was ridiculous broke. I lost help when every 2v2 fight I joined was people in full vengeful. Even in the 1400-1500 bracket. I think I MAYBE got into the 1580s once, but I'd have to play late at night.

I can stick destroyed S3 warriors solo, though.

I've had to fight several 2v2s WITH WARGLAIVES. Who put us up against those teams? It's not even a fair fight at that point, it's just sad. Half the time we fight full Vengeful teams, and the other half it's a resto druid/ MM hunter combo. Awesome. We're stuck at ~1700, can't seem to go above that...

[The Xyco]

Holy thread grave digging Batman!

To avoid a tl;dr story, I want to put my main (65 Hunter on Mannoroth) and alt (21 Priest on Maiev) on the same server. Both are Alliance. I'm wondering if anyone out there still plays fairly regularly and would be willing to welcome me in (to their guild, or just fairly regular grouping together, whatever). Let me know.

Character transfers are not a problem. I really just want to have both characters running at the same speed by the time WotLK comes out.

[Sporknight]

So, Wrath of the Lich King.

My mains are a tankadin (whom I crush heroics with) and an afflock (whom I raid with). Looking at the current state of talents and such, I'm actually really psyched for what they're offering paladins, on all 3 talent trees. Warlocks, on the other hand, I feel...lukewarm about. We're getting some neat toys, but I'd really like to see some more raid viability in the 51 point talents. Anyone else feel the same way?

Oh, and in before "lolPvE".

[OA]

Holy thread grave digging Batman!

To avoid a tl;dr story, I want to put my main (65 Hunter on Mannoroth) and alt (21 Priest on Maiev) on the same server. Let me know.

Character transfers are not a problem. I really just want to have both characters running at the same speed by the time WotLK comes out.

I recently rerolled alliance with some RL friends about 4 months back and have a 70 mage, 65 priest, and a 18 druid and you could come hang with us.

!!!HOWEVER!!!

Their server is a PVE server, so you wouldn't be able to go back to the awesomeness of ganking. :-(

As for the (finally) announced paladin changes!!!

My main character is (was ;_;) a holy arena paladin that gradually saw less and less action as the seasons went on. The changes aren't really what I was hoping for, but they are a lot more creative than what I wanted anyways.
I think there are enough new tools added to arena healing to at least be optimistic until there is more information. I was actually really disappointed until I saw that a holy shock crit makes your next holy light spell be instant cast. *That* is frickin sweet. Even in all PVP gear (no access to BT or sunwell), My holy light crits were around 65% of someone's health in one cast.

When I first got my newish mage to 70 and started doing arena, I was pretty overwhelmed by all the things you had to do coming from a paladin. Giving paladins more tools is awesome, and being a mix of proactive and reactive is excellent. I still was hoping for a flash of light style spell that was less mana efficient, but could be casted while moving, but I think the new stuff is great.

[Arcana]

Yeah, I think the healing changes for Holy Paladins are pretty interesting. Instant-cast Holy Lights after HS crits, and I rather like the AoE heal idea.

Seems that they're also trying to convince Holy Paladins to melee and judge more often, though I don't know how well that'll work in practice. Seems only useful in raiding, with Crusader strike able to refresh judgements. Very PVE oriented changes.

[Eten]

Well I think it is the gear and stat changes that are going to make a lot of what seems "questionable" in the talents all fit together. They are simplifying a lot of stats in some interesting ways. Such as the removal of spell crit and melee crit for just +crit, which effects both spell and melee crit. Stuff like that make the original hybrid classes that mixed casting and melee able to possibly melee/caster hybrid without being utterly gimped by being half-assed at everything.

I mean for example Shamans rely a ton on crit in both Enhancement and Elemental, with the 21 point elemental making spell crits do 2x the damage and enhance with the Flurry talent. At one point in time(way back at 60) shamans had such a sick windfury weapon enchant that they could be all elemental and still wtfpwn a mage with a one-hander on a windfury hit or shock, shield, and windfury a warrior while wearing a shield and come out fine with a few clutch heals. Now adays though since windfury got nerfed baseline and only brought back up to where it was before after talents deep in the enhancement(I think it was the mage/shaman patch just before TBC?), and the extra must-have talents 31+ in each of the trees and finally one-directional gear sets that locked in the "specialized in a tree" nature of the hybrid class instead of on the spot mix-it-up hybrid. A lot of shamans would love to play something crazy like a 30/31 elemental/enhancement build(aka "suicide spec") but it's just not feasible because each of the trees are so loaded with points that you always have to give up something that's way too important(like 10% increase in weapon damage in enhancement) and because you can't use what little synergy talents there are to make up for the lower stats you'll have as you spread out across more for both caster and melee stats.


Ret paladins are largely the same(and then some, a non-CCing, non-healing debuffing and non-mana draining MELEE DPS is a pretty shitty baseline you're starting with). Holy Paladins had been quite great for some time and still are in PvE by playing as a pure healer, but they get a lot of flak for being a three button class and running on such few mechanics(2 second holy lights and 1.5 second flash of lights w/ blessings) is either going to be straight up too good and a must have or crappy and at the mercy of others. So in both cases they may manage to breath some life and complexity into the class by allowing a chance for their hybrid nature of healing and melee seals and judgements for all specs instead of just one or the other with these talents and stat changes.

[Arcana]

I've heard that there are a lot of changes being made to tanking that (for example) obsolete Blessing of Salvation in its current form. For example, tanks will do more damage and will receive more base threat multipliers by default. Esesntially, they're changing it so that you won't even NEED BoS (hence the modification to changing it into Hand of Salvation as a situational buff).

Among other things, the integration of spell hit and melee hit, and spell crit and melee crit will make hybrids more feasable. It seems that they're expecting that Ret paladins (for example) are going to be doing some healing as well, and due to the new itemization, not be terrible at it either.

[Straziante]

Yeah, ret pallys are pretty much useless in a lot of situations as no one really likes DPS without CC.

Finally got the Champion of the Naaru title for my rogue. Started farming Kara and got bored with it. Ghostlands isn't really a great server to be on unless you were geared then transferred. So I rerolled a draenei hunter out of boredom.

[GeckoYamori]

I specced my shaman to restoration last week. I'm also fortunate enough to be in a friendly non-elitist super hardcore guild, so I'm healing in Karazhan tonight. I've played since 2005 but this is my first "real" raid. Got a bit more than 1000 bonus healing at the moment.

[GeckoYamori]

Here's something you don't see every day (http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3995/wowscrnshot072408003129uk3.jpg)

Preparing for an alliance raid on Orgrimmar (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4351/wowscrnshot080608212412rp7.jpg)

Conquering the Deeprun Tram (http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3760/wowscrnshot080608221947rm3.jpg)

Mad bitch tearing up my expensive outfit (http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3757/wowscrnshot080608235248jv2.jpg)

Sometimes when you alt-tab a lot, the game's character textures get messed up. In this case I believe the female orc skin was replaced with that of a male gnome (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3368/wowscrnshot080708005159uf6.jpg)

[Sporknight]

My guild just got Kael down last Sunday. T'was awsome, especially considering how many guilds these days skip him (and Vashj, whom we've also downed) for BT and MH. We have just started on MH and will probably begin BT by the end of the month. Exciting times. I'd love to get Illidan down before Wrath goes live.

[The Xyco]

Finally got all Alliance on Maiev, and got my Horde characters back on Arthas.

Anyone wanting to roll on a new server or start the game should come join the party.

[Ramaniscence]

So, I KNOW all the horde players are going to transfer to Illidan with me and starla and Suzu and....well Posi and Nienna kind of don't play anymore :(

BUT SERIOUSLY I NEED MORE FRIENDS ON WOW D:

[atmuh]

i played it for about 15 minutes again and was incredibly bored and i dont care if it gets more exciting later i refuse to have to wait until a game gets fun

[suzumebachi]

3.0 is live. Discuss.

Also, help me find mirrors that aren't laden with porn ads (I'm at school).

[Vilecat]

Spellpower = win
I think they're finally getting classes balance right. I don't get why people complain about some of the new changes.

Still debating if I should xfer my 2 lv70 to another server.

[Random Hajile]

I just got back from class, and I demand that these damn servers be up so I can fuck around with my ret pally.

[Ramaniscence]

Spellpower = win
I think they're finally getting classes balance right. I don't get why people complain about some of the new changes.

Still debating if I should xfer my 2 lv70 to another server.

RIP WARRIOR CLASS. GOOD NIGHT SWEET PRINCES.

Seriously though, need moar Disperion and Twisted Faith right now :(

Also: ACHIEVEMENTS DAY.

[suzumebachi]

Seriously I need mirrors ASAP. Fuck fileshack, I already sat in line for 35 minutes twice and they dropped me both times and won't let me resume unless I pay them $40,000 or whatever their bullshit fee is.

[Jarvi]

Blizzard epic fails on getting the servers back online :(

[Dyne]

Blizzard epic fails on getting the servers back online :(
Agreed. Srsly.

[Eulogic]

Man, this patch is taking forever to install. That and the fact that, for whatever reason, my background downloader was turned off are making this update an all-day event.

[Cottus&Gyes]

Screw this patch. This is why I hate being a Vista user.

[suzumebachi]

Well that's the 5th time the download has failed at around 80%. I'm about to go ninja apeshit.

[Sporknight]

Man, this patch is taking forever to install. That and the fact that, for whatever reason, my background downloader was turned off are making this update an all-day event.

If it's any consolation, Blizz getting the servers up and running was an all-day event too. When I went to bed around 12:30 EST, there were still plenty offline or incapable of login. Up now, though, finally - barring the rolling restarts.

[Eulogic]

One of my characters on Firetree got stuck on the Arathi Basin load screen yesterday, while one on Firetree got disconnected in Orgrimmar, and, when reconnected, was falling through the ground in Eastern Plaguelands. I'm guessing somehow he switched continents without changing his relative position on the map.

Let's hope today goes more smoothly.

[Bren]

So I have to say...being a melee class enthusiast, that the new ret paladin is the most fun Ive had in this game since release. They can actually kill stuff without having to sit and drink or even heal. It's almost like they're a holy warlock now. You're pretty much able to spam consecration and holy whirlwind yourself back to full health when fighting multiple mobs.

Bravo Blizzard, they made the most boring melee (in my opinion) into the most fun Ive had since release.

[OA]

I'd like to thank everyone who is buying my stacks of silverleaf and peacebloom for 10g. Or sungrass and gromsblood stacks for 50g.

And people selling their PLed glyphs for 15s each.

$$$$$$$

[Random Hajile]

I'm not gonna lie, my pally is 67 and kills pvp geared 70's, fair duels.


OP much?

[Jarvi]

idk bout you guys, but I'm just happy with my new Silithid and Core Hound pets :)

[GeckoYamori]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2n653ps.jpg

I have pets of my own now.

[relyanCe]

Watched my bro respec his 62 pally to ret last night. holy freaking crap...

Where he couldn't take more than 2-3 mobs at once without bubbling/drinking, he is now soloing elite packs... and walks out full hp/mana...

Ret = OP

[Ninja-san]

Rogues got nerfed
*edit* or something. My defense isnt great anymore

This is gonna take a while to get use to lol.

[Cottus&Gyes]

*NVM, I decided to do research and found out what it is. I fail at doing research before panic'n.

[[]Diracy]

I'm not gonna lie, my pally is 67 and kills pvp geared 70's, fair duels.


OP much?

Your using what is essentially lvl 80 spells or attacks at 67. So of course its overpowered. You have to wait until all the mobs and other players catch up to the level of the power to see things balance out. My mage is almost all frost right now. In the last few AV games I've played either im in the top 1-5 of killing blows, or if I choose to spam Blizzard in chokepoints where groups of enemies dont have much room to move, I can top the damage charts. 615,000 damage in a single game is nuts considering the person in 2nd was at 520,000. I also had a epic AV win for alliance, we won with 1-0 reinforcements and took a Screenshot, which i cant link here cause im at work.

Blizzard now crits and with all the slowing effects (75%) and freezing in place. It makes it extremely easy to farm multiple mobs anywhere, as long as they arent casters or ranged. And if you go far enough into fire to get the 10% chance to stun, it affects ALL spell damage now not just fire. So if enemies arent freezing in place they are getting stunned for 2 seconds. With master of elements restoring mana on crits, you get around 60 mana for every crit that Blizzard does! Leveling in the xpac is going to be amazing!

[Triad Orion]

Right now Retribution is way overpowered for Paladins. Someone brought up the point that these are essentially level 80 moves? No, they're not. I mean, if they were Level 80 moves they'd be trainable at 80. They're 51 point talents, which means if anything, they're level 60 moves on the ground. Still ridiculously powered, though.

I'm not worried though, everything will be buffed out when Wrath comes out. But anyway, I fugging love the changes to Protection Warriors. VERY GOOD TIMES considering that's my main and my favorite spec. I LIKE HAVING ATTACK POWER NOW! :D

[starla]

Rogues got nerfed
*edit* or something. My defense isnt great anymore

This is gonna take a while to get use to lol.

I used to be a combat mace stun rogue, but i may have to change since stun was taken out. Everyone is saying they are epic fail now - however my dps has increased by over 400 according to recount due to the armor cutting bonus maces now have. I'll still have to do some testing with swords, but so far I like. Kick doesn't seem to have a global cooldown which makes it easier to execute, and you get a free new disarming move.

also, KILLING SPREE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkL-gubVyEM)

[Jarvi]

Right now Retribution is way overpowered for Paladins. Someone brought up the point that these are essentially level 80 moves? No, they're not. I mean, if they were Level 80 moves they'd be trainable at 80. They're 51 point talents, which means if anything, they're level 60 moves on the ground. Still ridiculously powered, though.



They're balanced for level 80. Least that's what I've read in interviews.

[[]Diracy]

Got my Jenkins title today!:nicework:

Kill 50 whelps in 15 seconds is harder then it looks, at first we had a tank go around and gather them all up. But because the mass of whelps trying to be AOE'd we all got disconnected about 2 seconds starting the fight.

The second time we all just ran in and used all of our AOE at the same and killed 50 with 3 seconds to spare.

[GeckoYamori]

Everyone and their dog is going for the Jenkins title. I already have my Ambassador title, and got my Stone Guard title from the old, old PVP system.

[[]Diracy]

Everyone and their dog is going for the Jenkins title. I already have my Ambassador title, and got my Stone Guard title from the old, old PVP system.

True, but not everyone has the key to UBRS too. Luckily I got the seal off of the 2nd trash mob as I was waiting around for the group to get in and finished the questline once everyone came inside since no one had a key. Even if I don't need to get into UBRS for the title I make a good 50g just opening the door for people who don't.

Now I need to go back into LBRS and get my dog and spider pets.

[GeckoYamori]

So I logged on my 52 ret paladin, had the omgwtf moment and blazed through quests leveling it in no time at all. I was soloing elite mobs 5 levels higher than me, coming out of the fights with nearly full hp and mana (including the notorious Araj the Summoner in Western Plaguelands). Then I reached 60, went to outland, teamed up with 3 other retridins and we proceeded to 4-man both Hellfire Ramparts and Blood Furnace without a dedicated tank or healer. We would have done slave pens as well but it was getting kinda late

http://i38.tinypic.com/in7oty.jpg

[Arek the Absolute]

ner'zul's horrible item lag and constant server downtime is pissing me off

only reason im staying in it is because its one of the first and best servers *when it is not shitting out horrible server lag* and because the battlegroup it is in is the best

[suzumebachi]

So uhh, is it just me or do paladins actually die now. I mean, I can almost actually kill them. Which is amazing because I play the only class that hasn't been buffed into ridiculousness in PvP (hunter). In fact, I would argue that hunter PvP ability is even worse than it was before. As if we didn't suck enough in arenas.

So yeah, paladins die now. But, they can also kill things now. Ridiculously so. Actually they're pretty much overpowered. They burst more than freaking mages. My brother respecced ret on his pally and he does 2-4k white damage per swing, and he's not even that geared. With the seal of command glyph, that shit gets out of hand. That's potentially 8,000 damage per swing. Then you add in hammer of justice and the judgment of command you can kill a decently geared 70 in 2 or 3 hits.

Meanwhile my DPS has been nerfed into oblivion. But hey I can jump 10 feet away now. AWESOME.

[Sporknight]

So uhh, is it just me or do paladins actually die now. I mean, I can almost actually kill them. Which is amazing because I play the only class that hasn't been buffed into ridiculousness in PvP (hunter). In fact, I would argue that hunter PvP ability is even worse than it was before. As if we didn't suck enough in arenas.

So yeah, paladins die now. But, they can also kill things now. Ridiculously so. Actually they're pretty much overpowered. They burst more than freaking mages. My brother respecced ret on his pally and he does 2-4k white damage per swing, and he's not even that geared. With the seal of command glyph, that shit gets out of hand. That's potentially 8,000 damage per swing. Then you add in hammer of justice and the judgment of command you can kill a decently geared 70 in 2 or 3 hits.

Meanwhile my DPS has been nerfed into oblivion. But hey I can jump 10 feet away now. AWESOME.

I feel ya. Warlocks aren't looking too hot right now either - it's like my DPS got buffed 20% or so while everyone else got 50% or so. Hopefully we'll scale at 80 *sigh*. Good news is, Blizz has plans to tone down the inane burstyness of ye ret paladins.

In the meantime, my guild is gonna STEAMROLL Black Temple tonight. We rofled our way thru SSC in 2 hours on Wednesday, and woulda done the same to TK if the server didnt FATAL ERROR on us. Illidan's going down before Wrath launches, I know it.

[Jarvi]

I feel ya. Warlocks aren't looking too hot right now either - it's like my DPS got buffed 20% or so while everyone else got 50% or so. Hopefully we'll scale at 80 *sigh*. Good news is, Blizz has plans to tone down the inane burstyness of ye ret paladins.

In the meantime, my guild is gonna STEAMROLL Black Temple tonight. We rofled our way thru SSC in 2 hours on Wednesday, and woulda done the same to TK if the server didnt FATAL ERROR on us. Illidan's going down before Wrath launches, I know it.

yea, raids are kinda rofl right now. I PuGed Kara in about 1.5 hours, just completely random people in pvp gear and stuff.

[Sporknight]

yea, raids are kinda rofl right now. I PuGed Kara in about 1.5 hours, just completely random people in pvp gear and stuff.

In all honestly, I think it's a good call. This lets more people experience endgame content, and means people dont have to flip shits over min/maxing these new skills and builds to stand a chance of winning. Gives Blizz a chance to fine-tune stuff before Wrath and all. Here's to hoping they do actually know what they're doing...

[Bigfoot]

So I just read that Mages can now wear plate? lol

[Jarvi]

In all honestly, I think it's a good call. This lets more people experience endgame content, and means people dont have to flip shits over min/maxing these new skills and builds to stand a chance of winning. Gives Blizz a chance to fine-tune stuff before Wrath and all. Here's to hoping they do actually know what they're doing...

Yea, I'm enjoying it. But I'm on a really sucky server so PuG Kara is about as far as I get, and I can only do it once a week.

[Vilecat]

Yea, I'm enjoying it. But I'm on a really sucky server so PuG Kara is about as far as I get, and I can only do it once a week.
Oh wow there's suckier than us? Now on Aggamagan you actually have people LFM for Gruul/Mag/ZA too once in a while, instead of only Kara. And it doesn't take ages to finish a heroic when it's not guildies. Still a shitty low pop server for anything, they need to offer free xfers to more than Latin realms or merge some together.

I'm enjoying illidown even with the damned lag during peak time. Rolled an alt there to play with starla and co. ;) I hope I can get my toon to Outlands by the time WotLK comes out.

[Ramaniscence]

Oh wow there's suckier than us? Now on Aggamagan you actually have people LFM for Gruul/Mag/ZA too once in a while, instead of only Kara. And it doesn't take ages to finish a heroic when it's not guildies. Still a shitty low pop server for anything, they need to offer free xfers to more than Latin realms or merge some together.

I'm enjoying illidown even with the damned lag during peak time. Rolled an alt there to play with starla and co. ;) I hope I can get my toon to Outlands by the time WotLK comes out.

Illidan PuGs all those pretty much about 40 times a day. Hell I've PuG'd SSC and I've heard of BT PUGs too.

Are you guys servers doing Sunwell trash PUGs?

[suzumebachi]

rofl we cleared TK in a PUG.

you guys have shitty realms.

we, on the other hand, have shitty servers. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296671237&sid=1)

[Vilecat]

Yeah I know about Illidown, my lock doesn't like it much.

The thing though about my server is that people take ages to get geared up since pratically no guild lets pugged people to roll on items, even if it wouldn't be an upgrade for any of their guildies. And the rest are stuck on Kara-farming forever since the better-geared people leave for those other guilds. Vicious circle.

[Arek the Absolute]

haha illidan
suckers

[tweek]

Any experienced locks out there that can help me with my build? I have a 70 hunter but I'm picking my lock back up (currently level 44). I worked with affliction pretty much the whole time up to this point, but still played hunterlock. With the new abilities and the fact that I'm on a PVE server, what's a good build?

I did the fear kiting for a little bit when I got Dark Pact and it was pretty sweet but I'm not sure what would be ideal.

Since my talent points have been refunded by default, I wanna get input before I assign them.

Thoughts or links I should check out (with updated info from the new abilities/talents)?

[Sporknight]

Any experienced locks out there that can help me with my build? I have a 70 hunter but I'm picking my lock back up (currently level 44). I worked with affliction pretty much the whole time up to this point, but still played hunterlock. With the new abilities and the fact that I'm on a PVE server, what's a good build?

I did the fear kiting for a little bit when I got Dark Pact and it was pretty sweet but I'm not sure what would be ideal.

Since my talent points have been refunded by default, I wanna get input before I assign them.

Thoughts or links I should check out (with updated info from the new abilities/talents)?

I swear by affliction these days. Fast, efficient, fun, etc. Let me cook up a good build...

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IbxrrhrMoiMo

Start with that, then get improved Howl of Terror and Contagion. Carry on with Unstable Affliction, Pandemic, Death's Embrace, Everlasting Affliction and then Haunt. That'll get you to level 60. If you want to try the Felguard, wait till level 60 when he has all his trained abilities filled out first.

Basically what you want to do with affliction is send the pet in while warming up a Shadow Bolt. Once the bolt is in the air, start casting Immolate (or Unstable Affliction once you have it), and resume with the rest of your dots. By the time you've got enough dots on the mob, and it's wailing on you, and your pet is munching on him, spam drain life, and switch to drain soul right before it's dead to get a shard + the extra mana. Alternate between dark pact and life tap when needed. With Improved Felhunter, your puppy will get mana back each time he uses shadow bite.

When you get improved howl of terror, and get ballsy, feel free to try dotting up more then one thing at a time, then once they're all on you pop the instant HoT, watch them scurry and finish em off.

That's my reccomendation. Dont even bother with fearing them unless you get more then one, just spam drain life once they're on you. You should have minimal downtime this way, and still kill stuff at a good rate.

[GeckoYamori]

Zombie Apocalypse

[Jarvi]

Zombie Apocalypse

more like Paid Character Transfer Apocalypse :( Anyone else have their character stuck like my poor little hunter?

[Arek the Absolute]

za pug success
lol pug za
thats so bad

[starla]

Braaaains~

Harris Pilton went down like the little slut that she is.

(well she kind of exploded into a big zombie mess)

[Arek the Absolute]

garrrrrrrrh

wtb higher drop rate for hh mount

yeesh

[Vilecat]

Braaaains~

Harris Pilton went down like the little slut that she is.

(well she kind of exploded into a big zombie mess)

Awesome!
Org had skeletons everywhere too. BB was a total mess 24/7


The HH mount rate is evil. At least my pally buddy got the sword to get rid of lolOathkeeper. And the broom's somewhat useful in BG. Instamount!

[Jarvi]

My char was eated up by the PCT :(

[Yoshi3gg]

garrrrrrrrh

wtb higher drop rate for hh mount

yeesh

HH Mount dropped for me today.








I rolled an 8.

:(

[GeckoYamori]

The kid who made the special tauren quest and designed an arena weapon died this week

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/23/ezra-chatterton-passes-away/

[Bigfoot]

The kid who made the special tauren quest and designed an arena weapon died this week

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/10/23/ezra-chatterton-passes-away/

Poor little guy. :[ RIP

[Kanthos]

Yeah, too bad Ezra didn't pull through. I just did that tauren quest (the one where you have to feed Kyle the Frenzied his lunch in Bloodhoof Village, if you don't know) a couple days ago while going back to do old quests for the loremaster achievement.

[suzumebachi]

Zombie shit is awesome. Forming packs of zombies with both Horde and Alliance members is fucking awesome. Ganking confused lowbies and turning them into zombies is awesome. Going as a zombie to Goldshire in Elwynn Forest and setting my pet to aggressive and watching it eat dozens of level 6-10 humans in seconds flat is awesome. Exploding and infecting every NPC in Ratchet is awesome.

The coolest thing about the zombie shit, is how the disease spreads on its own. I killed a shitload of low level allies in Goldshire, but there were a few lucky ones that managed to escape death, but still had infections. Once I was finally brought down (but not before exploding and infecting everything) by the level 75 spawned guards, I quietly observed a few of the infected lowbies. One in particular wandered all the way to the Murloc camps in the eastern part of Elwynn. I watched from a distance while he was killing Murlocs, then suddenly became a zombie. You could tell he was pretty confused, because he immediately ran deep into the Murloc camp and aggroed a bunch of them. He managed to hit a couple of them, infecting them, but didn't manage to kill any before he died. I watched for a bit but he never came back. Instead, along came another lowbie to kill some Murlocs. He killed a few, before finally attacking one of the infected ones. As soon as it died, it became a zombie, and infected the player. He managed to kill it, then ran away. A few minutes later a couple more of the Murlocs became zombies, and proceeded to infect the rest of the Murloc camp, creating a never ending cycle of Murloc zombie death and rebirth (until someone comes along to clean up). Meanwhile the 2nd infected player went to Eastvale Logging Camp, turned into a zombie there, and infected a few of the NPCs before dying...

This shit is awesome. I hope Blizzard somehow keeps this in the game. Even if they make it more rare (right now it's super easy to get if you kill any roaches or open any crates).

Even more awesome would be some kind of 3rd scourge faction that can regularly do this kind of stuff.

[Ramaniscence]

Zombie shit is awesome. Forming packs of zombies with both Horde and Alliance members is fucking awesome. Ganking confused lowbies and turning them into zombies is awesome. Going as a zombie to Goldshire in Elwynn Forest and setting my pet to aggressive and watching it eat dozens of level 6-10 humans in seconds flat is awesome. Exploding and infecting every NPC in Ratchet is awesome.

The coolest thing about the zombie shit, is how the disease spreads on its own. I killed a shitload of low level allies in Goldshire, but there were a few lucky ones that managed to escape death, but still had infections. Once I was finally brought down (but not before exploding and infecting everything) by the level 75 spawned guards, I quietly observed a few of the infected lowbies. One in particular wandered all the way to the Murloc camps in the eastern part of Elwynn. I watched from a distance while he was killing Murlocs, then suddenly became a zombie. You could tell he was pretty confused, because he immediately ran deep into the Murloc camp and aggroed a bunch of them. He managed to hit a couple of them, infecting them, but didn't manage to kill any before he died. I watched for a bit but he never came back. Instead, along came another lowbie to kill some Murlocs. He killed a few, before finally attacking one of the infected ones. As soon as it died, it became a zombie, and infected the player. He managed to kill it, then ran away. A few minutes later a couple more of the Murlocs became zombies, and proceeded to infect the rest of the Murloc camp, creating a never ending cycle of Murloc zombie death and rebirth (until someone comes along to clean up). Meanwhile the 2nd infected player went to Eastvale Logging Camp, turned into a zombie there, and infected a few of the NPCs before dying...

This shit is awesome. I hope Blizzard somehow keeps this in the game. Even if they make it more rare (right now it's super easy to get if you kill any roaches or open any crates).

Even more awesome would be some kind of 3rd scourge faction that can regularly do this kind of stuff.

I'm in the Barrens right now attacking scared and confused lowbies, but 60 somethings keep flying in to eKnight and call me a n00b and fly off before I can rez and duel them, and then come back as a zombie and eat them. The plague is getting super resistant to cure disease, too. Abolish Disease even takes 2 or 3 times now before it sticks.

[GeckoYamori]

Ding 70

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/302/wowscrnshot102508002433qg4.jpg

It only took me 3 years to get my first max level Alliance character. Not going to bother grinding gear with WotLK just around the corner. There's plenty of raids going on for Zul'Gurub, Ahn Qiraj and other old world instances for achievements so I'm gonna take that time to experience some of the stuff I missed out on.

[Ramaniscence]

Me and starla were bored, so we started a controlled zombie invasion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4-l9ySTPU

[[]Diracy]

rofl we cleared TK in a PUG.

you guys have shitty realms.

we, on the other hand, have shitty servers. (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11296671237&sid=1)


Yeah we killed Kael with a PUG also. Some of the player inside had only been lvl 70 for 4 hours hahaha. Some noob mage named Corney also rolled need on a T5 chest when we had the rule to pass then roll /random 1000. After he needed the leader kicked him out of the raid and rolled need against him but he ended winning the roll. However he didn't receive the item since he was no longer in the raid and after I won the random roll I couldnt loot the corpse to receive the loot. So now my ticket has been escalated by a GM to see if I can get my token. I HATE NINJAS!:evil:

I also crit the mechano-lord in mech where you stack the polarity for 19,000 THREE TIMES!!!:dstrbd:

Fireball, Fireball, (hot streak) Pyroblast! I was laughing so hard we literally killed him in about 15 seconds.

My new guild cleared Hyjal tonight also, I was 4th on dps averaging about 2.8k for the entire time I was in there, with some ZA and t5 badge gear. That a huge improvement from my previous 1.1k pre3.0 We do have a sunwell geared druid (moonkin) averaging 4.9k dps!

0/50/11 Flamestrike + Icy veins + Combustion spam FTW!

Also I noticed that flamestrike is only 460 mana with talents to cast. And with the flamestrike crits I was getting 600 (3x200) mana back from the master of elements talent. If I needed mana back I'd just spam it and actually regain to full. Probably a bug right now since you should only gain 30% of its original cost.

[Incronaut]

OCR guild yeah?!

[Ramaniscence]

OCR guild yeah?!

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18649

[Vilecat]

Join us, you know you want to!

Side note: whoever says destro locks are useless in a raid don't know what they're talking about. Unless the destro lock doesn't spec Emp Imp (+20% crit). As if morph locks were any better.

I'm still torn on which toon of which server i should work on first.

[suzumebachi]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Zombie invasion is over already. I am sad panda. I really hope they keep it in the game somehow. Maybe as a death knight ability with a really long cool-down, part of an instance, an extremely rare disease that humanoid NPCs can get, super rare plagued roach spawns in cities, or whatever.

Or hopefully they at least bring it back every halloween.

Seriously the zombie plague was the coolest thing they added to WoW basically ever and it's already gone. :(

[Yoshi3gg]

Seriously the zombie plague was the coolest thing they added to WoW basically ever and it's already gone. :(

I agree completely :(

It happened so suddenly, too... I never got a chance to do one last goodbye zombie raid on Stormwind.

[Vilecat]

Blame the whiny fgts that couldn't use their brain enough to find ways of dealing with it or to know what fun means. That's the kind of people that don't survive Barrens chat.

Edit: Funny story I heard yesterday when logging on my main. One of our hunter guildies that kept raiding xroads got his mailbox filled with hatemail of how he was such "a retard, an asshole and a shithead"(sic) for just infecting the whole camp. Then once in a while some dude would bring their lv60+ to kill him and the zombies but would flee before our guildy could duel them. Wimps!

Double edit because i can't spell edit, w00t!

[GeckoYamori]

Years, maybe even months from now, at least half of the people whining about the event are going to sit there with their bank alts and daily grinding and miss those few days.

On the flip side, Blizzard has promised more stuff like this in the game world.

[Arek the Absolute]

I only hope that they make the arena and bg masters immune to zombie effects.
THe only problem I had with this event was having to wait forever because all 4 cities had their bg and arena masters dead because of the zombie plague.

[Ramaniscence]

http://www.dougarley.com/wow/illidayumn.jpg

Not really prepared at all D:

But starla made out like a bandit :(, she got loot from 4 out of 8 bosses. ninjar.

Also: lol raid wide buffs <3

[Incronaut]

in your guys' opinions, is this game more enjoyable playing with "real friends" or with people you just meet up online?

[MaxFrost]

depends what kind of person you are. For me, I'd rather just play with those I find in game. Although I've gotten like...10+ people that I personally know to play, I very rarely get to play with them, as my schedule looks nothing like theirs. Hell, my entire family plays, and we're in 3 different guilds for the 4 of us.

If you can sync up with your "real friends", it's much easier to play with them. But if you're normally on your own anyways, just go play, and find people ingame that play on the same schedule, and maybe get some more friends.

[GeckoYamori]

I would like to apologize to all the retribution paladins out there. Due to my jinxed nature it would seem that whatever class I choose to spend some time with will inevitably be nerfed into near uselessness, be it shamans, shadow priests or paladins.

[Vilecat]

Shadow priests didn't get nerfed at all this time <3

For TBC, I'm still grumpy on certain nerfs, but many were needed for spriests. It's just sad that they couldn't balance the classes more to be decent in both PvE and PvP like they've done now. Spriests finally melt faces again and disc can now do a little more than just shield themselves and outheal the dmg.

And pallies are still fine. Many of those who PvP in my main's guild can wreck faces like nobody's business. I don't know about shams except that enhanc still is a pain to my undergeared druid in BG. I'll make sure to fix that at 80.



As for playing with friends, it fails when I try IRL since they're either not on the same server as I am and/or don't play all that often. I prefer finding people online to play with, I tend to feel lonely when there's no one talking to me or in chat while I quest.

[wiredzombie]

I just picked up WoW again
and I'm right back to where i was stuck before my subscription got canceled
I'm still a pretty low level (21), and I have nobody to quest with
Bloodmyst isle is annoying me, i literally have nobody to quest with
So if your in the Lethon server, and you're just starting out as a drenai, contact me

[Dyne]

Well, I've been playing again, so here's my characters.

Illidan / Dyne / Krometicus / Blood Elf / Paladin
Illidan / Dyne / Kahnna / Blood Elf / Hunter
Illidan / Dyne / Rencuras / Tauren / Druid
Illidan / Dyne / Mercurias / Blood Elf / Warlock

My paladin is my main character, and my highest leveled character. I'm still below level 10 for my other characters, but that's going to change in time. Yes yes, I do have a thing for Blood Elves, whatever.

[Arek the Absolute]

BE's ruined the horde. All of our alliance noobs rerolled BE because horde finally got a pretty class. Before, bg's were owned by horde on Ner'zul like 90% of the time. Now, it is pretty easy to win. Even AB is not hard to win anymore.

Good times though for us alliance :)

[wiredzombie]

Does anybody play in Lethon?
I SERIOUSLY need some help
I'm like level 21 Dranai, stuck on bloodmyst isle
I need a WoW buddy
plz pm

[suzumebachi]

Does anybody play in Lethon?
Lethon is the 4th smallest realm in all of WoW. Only 432 allies total. So to answer your question, no. Nobody plays on Lethon. When you go to the realm list and it says "recommended" what that actually means is NOT RECOMMENDED. You're much better off on a medium or high population realm (but not a full one, obviously). I recommend Illidan, that's where most of us play anyways. We're all Horde though, so rolling Alliance there would be dumb.

I'd recommend a different server if you insist on playing Alliance, but quite frankly, I don't know any. My brother has an Alliance 70 on Bloodscalp, but it's kind of small too, and quite frankly they all fucking suck. The top guilds haven't even cleared Black Temple, let alone Sunwell Plateau. Even AFTER the "let's buff everyone to superman powers" patch. Meanwhile Illidan is doing Black Temple PUGs. :/

[wiredzombie]

thanks alot suzumebachi
to bad i spent to damn long on lethon :(

[Lord.Roderick.i]

damn, the installation process is very long, Im down to 55% in the last patch thingy.

[Ramaniscence]

These 2 statements contradict each other:

thanks alot suzumebachi
to bad i spent to damn long on lethon :(

Does anybody play in Lethon?
I SERIOUSLY need some help
I'm like level 21 Dranai, stuck on bloodmyst isle
I need a WoW buddy
plz pm

Your first time getting to 21 might've been hard...especially learning stuff on your own, but I assure you on Illidan that'll take a matter of days. A week or so MAX.

starla does a pretty good job of snatching up the n00bs and nurturing them into real WoW players =P.

You should probably check out this thread:

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18649

[Arek the Absolute]

Oooooh the irony.
The day I wish to get WotLK, my account gets hacked and I have no more 70's.

AWESOME

I wonder how long it takes to restore my characters...

[wiredzombie]

These 2 statements contradict each other:





Your first time getting to 21 might've been hard...especially learning stuff on your own, but I assure you on Illidan that'll take a matter of days. A week or so MAX.

starla does a pretty good job of snatching up the n00bs and nurturing them into real WoW players =P.

You should probably check out this thread:

http://www.ocremix.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18649

how do they condridict each other
i lethon the server
and bloodmyst isle the island just north of the Exodar...not the server

o, and wtf happened to WoW today...is it just the release of the new expansion that made everything lock up
...and lethon is one of the few servers i saw that was up. god damn, and i was going to start a new character today :(

[Ramaniscence]

how do they condridict each other
i lethon the server
and bloodmyst isle the island just north of the Exodar...not the server

o, and wtf happened to WoW today...is it just the release of the new expansion that made everything lock up
...and lethon is one of the few servers i saw that was up. god damn, and i was going to start a new character today :(

It means that getting to 20-something take practically no time at all when you know what you're doing.

You shouldn't be on Bloodmyst Isle past 10-ish or something anyway, by that time you should've boated over to Darkshore or something, but yea queues are out of control because of Wrath right now.

[wiredzombie]

It means that getting to 20-something take practically no time at all when you know what you're doing.

You shouldn't be on Bloodmyst Isle past 10-ish or something anyway, by that time you should've boated over to Darkshore or something, but yea queues are out of control because of Wrath right now.

hmm, yeah, i can see why you say that
but actually, it didnt take as long as i thought it would to get to level 20 there
considering the lack of players in lethon
i beat Razormaw on my own the other night, it was kinda hard, but i did it
and i'm considering playing on lethon tonight...considering the queues tonight

[suzumebachi]

hurray! long ass fucking queue. i finally get in, make a death knight, watch the intro, turn around just in time to see the lich king standing there before BAM! disconnected from server!

AWESOME

[Ramaniscence]

hurray! long ass fucking queue. i finally get in, make a death knight, watch the intro, turn around just in time to see the lich king standing there before BAM! disconnected from server!

AWESOME

There's already 2 DKs in Northrend. Furi is neck and neck with Hzm for first to 80. They're both just into 75. When someone gets a server first it announces it across the server. I saw some guy get 450 fishing server first.

[wiredzombie]

hurray! long ass fucking queue. i finally get in, make a death knight, watch the intro, turn around just in time to see the lich king standing there before BAM! disconnected from server!

AWESOME

i waited for about 15 minutes and then gave up and decided to try tomorrow
i didnt get the expansion, and i have no level 55s, so i dont really give a flying shit right now

[starla]

http://injury.thasauce.net/sekrit/WoWScrnShot_111408_021406(50).jpg

Levelling up my fiercesome death knight orc in hellfire peninsula.

Feel free to roll with us, i might be a little slow with the run throughs until my main gets closer to 80 but i'm always happy to help with quests or provide golds and bags and suches.

[Skummel Maske]

So, how are you guys liking the expansion so far? How's the new capital? (There is a new capital in Northrend, right?)

[Ramaniscence]

So, how are you guys liking the expansion so far? How's the new capital? (There is a new capital in Northrend, right?)

Not many people in Dalaran yet. I was there on the beta, and I can tell on my server it's going to suck...hard. It's small. VERY small. A lot smaller than Shat. I've actually been enjoying lag-free Shat, lately, but I am NOT looking forward to Dalaran :|

[Vilecat]

There's already 2 DKs in Northrend. Furi is neck and neck with Hzm for first to 80. They're both just into 75. When someone gets a server first it announces it across the server. I saw some guy get 450 fishing server first.
I saw the first 450 server-wide first aid yesterday night.
Suzu, the whole DK thing with DC kept happening to me. Took me 20 mins to get my toon created. But then again it's because my internet has been sucking hard. No idea what the techs have been doing, but I'd gladly punch them in the face.

Some people got up to 75min queue yesterday, that was around 7-8:30pm server time. The most lag I've had was 1k ping. They really did fix the lag after all. Only thing though, somehow my comp gets raped slightly by graphics in some areas, mainly the starting areas.

The worse thing about Northrend is having all those n00bs ask stupid questions without looking around. "How do I get into Northrend" is probably #1 on that list.

[GeckoYamori]

Everyone should take the time to do this little quest if you want something different from "kill X and collect Y"

http://i37.tinypic.com/azdn9i.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/28b66oh.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/j97g2p.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/qnpngx.jpg

[Dyne]

I saw three achievement announces yesterday for Level 80 on Illidan. Also, I should note that it was Alliance that had the first Level 80. Horde was not far behind. And there was a third person to hit 80 as well. The first two had both racial achievements for hitting 80.

[[]Diracy]

Averaging about 6 hours a level right now on my mage. Today I hit 77 and got my flying ability back for another 1000g....sigh....

Your right about Dalaran though it is VERY small in comparison to Shatt. Smaller then any previous major city. I must say though that the music is 100x better then the soundtrack from The Burning Crusade. I actually enjoy listening to the in game music rather then listening to some onlline radio in the background. The violins in Grizzly Hills and the piano in Dragonblight are my faves:-P.

The quests are very well made and far more interesting. Sure there are some grinding quests here and there. Or some go to point X and get item Y. Any online game will always have those. Getting to see the lich king in some of the longer quest chains pulls the lore together. Although I think he sounds alot like Christian Bale in Batman. That raspy sounding voice makes him sound like a chain smoker. I'm hoping to hear him say "I'm the God Damn Lich King!".

The zones themselves look beautiful8-O. I didnt care so much for Borean Tundra, although the expanse of the place is huge. It seems like you can see for miles on end.

My scaling atleast with my hp/mana pools have gone to ridiculous amounts even keeping most 70 raid gear that I've yet to find replacements of. I went from a 70 around 8k hp and 9.5k mana to about 11k hp and 13k mana at 77.

Another interesting thing I've noticed about leveling was the fact that the EXP from 70-71 or 71-72 doesnt jump by a large amount from what leveling used to be. Each level even at 77 is only about 1.6million EXP.

The instances are fairly cool too, most seem to be well designed. I enjoyed The Nexus alot, lots of cool effects and glowing stuff to look at. Haven't tried to many of the others yet.

[Bigfoot]

Already?

http://kotaku.com/5090741/lich-king-raids-already-defeated

[Cottus&Gyes]

Already?

http://kotaku.com/5090741/lich-king-raids-already-defeated

You also have to keep in mind:
a)The guild is a combination of the top two guilds in the world (Both of them were neck and neck for world first for TBC)

b)The guild's members probably were here for PreTBC Naxx, so those fights were already engraved in their memories.

c)Add in their total time they played in beta you would get about normal progression.

d)The itemization differences are not as vast as they were for preTBC to TBC.

[Kanthos]

What *is* a relevant issue is that they didn't have everyone at level 80 yet, and undoubtedly didn't have all kinds of epic gear. I remember first doing Karazhan: my guild had trouble with some of the later fights, both because we were still learning them and because of gear. Even going with people who had completed Kara on mains but had alts in greens and blues, some bosses like Curator posed a challenge.

Skill and experience or not, the fact that they can waltz in with crappy gear and wipe everything suggests things are too easy. Raiding is less about skill and more about group coordination and attentiveness, so the fact that TwentyFifthNovember can get through it quickly means that any guild with average gear who know how to spec right and are coordinated enough not to screw up can handle all current in-game content with relative ease.

Compared to the Burning Crusade where Vashj and Kael posed fairly significant challenges, Wrath is probably on the easy side.

[Ramaniscence]

What *is* a relevant issue is that they didn't have everyone at level 80 yet, and undoubtedly didn't have all kinds of epic gear. I remember first doing Karazhan: my guild had trouble with some of the later fights, both because we were still learning them and because of gear. Even going with people who had completed Kara on mains but had alts in greens and blues, some bosses like Curator posed a challenge.

Skill and experience or not, the fact that they can waltz in with crappy gear and wipe everything suggests things are too easy. Raiding is less about skill and more about group coordination and attentiveness, so the fact that TwentyFifthNovember can get through it quickly means that any guild with average gear who know how to spec right and are coordinated enough not to screw up can handle all current in-game content with relative ease.

Compared to the Burning Crusade where Vashj and Kael posed fairly significant challenges, Wrath is probably on the easy side.

Crappy gear I think not. They're probably in ridiculous amounts of Sunwell Gear. This whole expansion thus far has been less scaled itemization wise. Guilds in full sunwell probably won't even see an upgrade until heroic Naxx. With TBC they re-did a lot of how stats work (stam specifically) so we saw huge jumps and changes. By now they've gotten it nailed down pretty well. I was just joking with my friend yesterday about whenever you see someone wearing "new gear" you can tell right away that their gear is bad because I haven't even gotten NEAR an upgrade, even for some of my Kara stuff, and I'm almost 74. What I HAVE found to be *close* will take away too much HR for me to want to commit too, especially since I've gone from a 10% chance to hit to an 8% chance to hit without changing my HR AT ALL yet.

It's also important to remember that:
A)Not only did these guilds ru preTBC Naxx, they've also been running these raids on the beta CONSTANTLY. There was never a point on either realm I was on (Premade server or normal PvP beta server) that one of the "big name guilds" wasn't farming one of these raids. Hell Blood Legion (Illidan's big name guild) was in Naxx LAST NIGHT and of course they had no problem because EVERY day they were in there on the beta.

B) It's also likely that they had enough people to break up groups into the 10-mans and make sure they geared specific people rather than spreading the loot around with random rolls or DKP. I'm almost POSITIVE all the tanking gear went to 1 or 2 tanks, and all the healing gear when to 1-2 heals, and the rest was given to a few solid DPS. With all these guys already having a ridiculous amount of HR and DPS, gear up a few tanks, get some crazy +heals, throw in some new world enchantments and gems (which are EXPONENTIALLY sicker) and it's not really all that suprising.

What this DOES mean, though, is that the way to gear up for Naxx is to go BACK and do Sunwell...which is kind of exciting to me since it's the 1 raid I've never gotten into.

These world firsts mean close to nill. The REAL "world firsts" were acquired monthes ago. The REAL challenge will be seen when they start adding Ulduar, and Icecrown, and all that jazz.

[OA]

Compared to the Burning Crusade where Vashj and Kael posed fairly significant challenges, Wrath is probably on the easy side.

You have to remember a few things:

1. That the Vashj and Kael-equivalent raids aren't even out yet, and this is basically the Wrath-level Kara. These two guilds had Kara itself down in a matter of days as well, and both had Muru and KJ down within a few days of them being available as well, once the barriers came down.
I think the content is tuned just fine. Some guilds are just that dedicated.

As for myself, the best i've seen in KJ down to 7%, and that was last Monday, our last raiding day of BC. We were in Sunwell when the 3.0 nerf hit, and it sped things up like crazy for us to get over the Muru hump.

2. The way things are designed this time around, you should be able to raid these entry levels with your level 80 quest gear; my raiding priest is only 74, but seeing some of the higher levels in the guild replace sunwell gear with late 70's gear ( for example one of our hunters replaced her Eredar twins bow with a level 77 blue) makes me think gearwise we'll be fine. I havn't seen any upgrades yet, but that just means i make a lot of cash selling quest rewards.