World of Warcraft

[The Author]

Rogues get no changes and remain nerfed. GGWP Blizz.

Maybe because in Battlegrounds, a rogue beats everyone in there even if they're 4/5 levels below a magic user (ie priests, warlocks, mages).

Crappy priest/warlock/mage then.

Warlocks have more stamina and life than a rogue, and a simple ambush does not cut it. A priest can shield as soon as the rogue is out (he can even fear us if he does not see us) and a mage's blink/ice armor is enough to kite a rogue for a while.

Then the rogue dies.

[piccskick06]

Rogues get no changes and remain nerfed. GGWP Blizz.

Maybe because in Battlegrounds, a rogue beats everyone in there even if they're 4/5 levels below a magic user (ie priests, warlocks, mages).

Crappy priest/warlock/mage then.

Warlocks have more stamina and life than a rogue, and a simple ambush does not cut it. A priest can shield as soon as the rogue is out (he can even fear us if he does not see us) and a mage's blink/ice armor is enough to kite a rogue for a while.

Then the rogue dies.

Fear is about a 2 second effect unless the feared victim has a pendant to stop it, and a priest's shield can hold up against about 2-3 rogue hits before it goes down and then they cannot be shielded again for 30 seconds or so. And pretty much all spell casts require uninterrupted casting time. Priest=dead.

Warlocks, maybe I could see holding their own against a rogue, that was a false claim on my part.

Basically if the rogue can stun the player, then they can get behind them and backstab/sap/whatever which generally takes away a good chunk of health.

[The Author]

Roll a rogue and learn how it works. You will have a new respect for rogues and their skills.

[piccskick06]

Roll a rogue and learn how it works. You will have a new respect for rogues and their skills.

I guess being a priest does give me a bit of a skewed viewpoint on melee classes.

[Stalwart Jester]

Everytime a patch comes out for me, it says Im behind a damn firewall when I dont have one. The patches go extremely slow. 2 episodes of ATHF down and Im at 3%.

Same here, man. I normally just remain patient though, and after like 40 minutes, it jumps from 2% to 100% in like .5 seconds flat. :? WTF indeed.

[TristorTrucido]

Everytime a patch comes out for me, it says Im behind a damn firewall when I dont have one. The patches go extremely slow. 2 episodes of ATHF down and Im at 3%.

Behind a router?

[ILLiterate]

Everytime a patch comes out for me, it says Im behind a damn firewall when I dont have one. The patches go extremely slow. 2 episodes of ATHF down and Im at 3%.

Same here, man. I normally just remain patient though, and after like 40 minutes, it jumps from 2% to 100% in like .5 seconds flat. :? WTF indeed.Honestly, this patch has been a HORRID download, otherwise getting it through fileplanet was pretty quick

[The Author]

Second guild MC run last night, Lucifron down again.

[mecca]

Fucking thing won't install..keeps failing CRC check and asking me to reinstall (which I have).

So does Stormwind have an Auction House then? I hope so, perhaps it'll make people migrate there rather than the ugly and depressing Ironforge.

I certainly hope so..also can't wait to check out this improved queueing system.

[The Author]

Yes, there is a SW AH. They stole my favourite SW hang out though...

It's the small building in front of the weapon shop.

[Stalwart Jester]

Second guild MC run last night, Lucifron down again.

'Grats. Hopefully you guys'll start downing Magmadar soon.

He drops a bit of the nicer stuff in MC...and is a little more well-rounded in terms of loot, too.

Over here, we're working on Rags. He's still being a bitch and refusing to die. Then again, a lot of us are sadly lacking in terms of Fire Resistance equipment...but we're working on it. Surely.

EDIT: Wish me luck. Going all the way to Shazzrah tonight...I want my damn Brutality Blade!

[The Author]

Gonna try mag tonight. Keeping my fingers crossed, because I might become the highest in DKP tonight...

[ILLiterate]

Nice to know whenever WoW updates, something wrong happens, server full when it really isn't at all ftw

[Stalwart Jester]

Hah! We said screw MC and went to Onyxia.

Aftermath? I'm a happy boy.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/Shinji_XJ/WoW%20Stuff/OMFGBloodfangHood.jpg

Woo for Bloodfang!

[The Author]

The patch screwed with rogues.

Slice and Dice now requires a target to use.

[Miletus]

Hah! We said screw MC and went to Onyxia.

Aftermath? I'm a happy boy.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/Shinji_XJ/WoW%20Stuff/OMFGBloodfangHood.jpg

Woo for Bloodfang!

Funny that should happen, we did Ony last night too and Bloodfang also dropped. A rogue still on his trial got it, the jammy git.

[Stalwart Jester]

The patch screwed with rogues.

Slice and Dice now requires a target to use.

Yeah...kinda bothersome, but I can usually end up pulling off my Slice and Dices before the mob dies.

Hah! We said screw MC and went to Onyxia.

Aftermath? I'm a happy boy.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/Shinji_XJ/WoW%20Stuff/OMFGBloodfangHood.jpg

Woo for Bloodfang!

Funny that should happen, we did Ony last night too and Bloodfang also dropped. A rogue still on his trial got it, the jammy git.

Heheh, over here, I just had the most DKP out of everyone, so I took advantage of the opportunity.

Never know the next time it'll drop, right?

[The Author]

The patch screwed with rogues.

Slice and Dice now requires a target to use.

Yeah...kinda bothersome, but I can usually end up pulling off my Slice and Dices before the mob dies.


Also, although that one needs more testing, I have been doing "miss"es with my gouge.

I have +7% hit chance, maybe even +8, meaning I should be sure to hit and not end up with a miss, only with dodges, parries, resists, immunes, and blocked.

[Stalwart Jester]

I have +7% hit chance, maybe even +8, meaning I should be sure to hit and not end up with a miss, only with dodges, parries, resists, immunes, and blocked.

I'm not sure. Maybe it's a label error...but no matter how high your hit chance is, there's always the chance to miss a gouge.

Maybe you just had odd bad luck? I personally haven't noticed if my gouge changed. And I'm a hemo rogue, so I woulda noticed.

[The Author]

While miss labeling is possible, with my precision and item +to hit, I never have a "missed" SS, I never miss an eviscerate, and I never miss any special move.

They are only resisted in a ton of different ways on which I have no influence.

[Stalwart Jester]

While miss labeling is possible, with my precision and item +to hit, I never have a "missed" SS, I never miss an eviscerate, and I never miss any special move.

They are only resisted in a ton of different ways on which I have no influence.

::shrug::

Don't know here, then. Just sayin', even with really high +to hit bonuses...I really doubt you'll ever be able to attain 100% accuracy against equal-or-better opponents. Special attack or not.

[The Author]

Okay, all classes in melee have a flat 5% miss chance at proper skill level. I have 300 with swords, meaning I can hit without even worrying about it everything up to level 62. Even a full defense spec warrior will be hit by all my attacks, seeing as the defense skill overrides critical hits and damage (glancing blows in the combat log).

Rogues (and any dual wielder) have 25% miss chance on auto attack. Instant attacks still have 5% miss chance. With +5 (or in my case +7)% hit, this means that I hit with 102% or my attacks, meaning that I can hit without any problems stuff that is about 2 levels above what I could hit normally (like a level 63 or 64).

I never miss with my special attacks in MC.

I had 3 gouges in a row do MISS.

I'm 95% sure they changed something.

[Stalwart Jester]

I'm aware of that...and I'd bring up enemy's dodge rates and stuff, but that'd be exactly what it is, a dodge, not a miss.

There might be some unaccounted factor enemies have, or whatnot. But so far, with gouge, I myself have noted no change. Seems to be working fine for me...

[The Author]

Some updates on my case.

First of all, I am only one piece away (armor) from the whole SC gear.

Yet I only wear 4 pieces as of now, because I acquired bloodsoaked boots, and the primal batskin set. While, according to the paperdoll, I lost a good lot of AP, and according to my spell book, I only gained marginal improvements in dodge, I have had an effective jump in DPS, somewhere around 30. I still have to test it out a bit, but I did not have much time to do so. In a recent molten core run where I was actually holding back on most fights, (past experiences have shown me that a bladefury AR rogue can pull nasty aggro even over experienced tanks with mobs as fickle as those in MC, I also have learned that when things go south, people love to see a rogue able to pull a mob off of a tank to allow healers to bring him back up, so I kinda keep the buffs for emergencies) or I was simply dead; I ended up being in the top 10 on DPS. It seems that I pack a lot more of a punch than expected, seeing as I died on the first lucifron guard (Decursive has been messed by the "quick fix" so decursing was slow and rogues are not top priority), and in the first 20% of the magmadaar fight (a fluke really, I had just started bandaging when I got hit by his "fireball" attack.)

Something tells my I have to push myself a wee bit harder and I will make the top 3 of the raid.


Also, guild wise, we downed magmadar. He drop fairy pants... err... arcanist leggings.


And lucifron dropped cenarion boots and felheart gloves. That one was pure luck.

[zircon]

Cool stuff. Grats on your MC progress.

My guild beat Vael over the weekend after dedicating all of Saturday and Sunday to him. We've also mastered the supression room before Broodlord, but we've only given him one attempt (80%). I think our tanks are geared enough, so we should be able to take him this weekend.

[Darkmetamorphasis]

I have a question to y'all. If I picked up WOW next week, would there be a difference to quests or other things of that nature? I'm really new to MMORPG's so I dont really know how it works

[The Author]

Every 4 to 6 weeks, Blizzard adds new content. While it is mostly relevant to 50 and higher characters, it does change the world balance. The quests at lower level remain the same, but I have about 8 characters over level 20 alliance side, and not 2 of them has had exactly the same progression. But I have Character attention deficit disorder... so your experience might be different.

The big thing you have to do is to learn your class. I have seen many a druids not know which form to take to tank and so on. I cannot recommend a class as easier than the other though so it's up to your preference.

The game changes a lot depending on what class you are. As a rogue, I see instance runs as opportunity to ballance damage output with aggro (drawing the mob (monster)'s attention.) If I do a lot of damage without being directly hit, then I'm doing it right. As a priest, the challenge is to keep others alive, mobs off of you, and the mana as high as possible.

Each classes have a different and challenging type of gameplay. By that virtue, my rogue going in the stockades was a lot different from my priest.


They do come up with new content, new challenges, new abilities, and that is what makes WoW a lot better than other MMORPGs, that new content is free.

[Stalwart Jester]

They do come up with new content, new challenges, new abilities, and that is what makes WoW a lot better than other MMORPGs, that new content is free.

Well...technically, you're paying the ~$15 a month for them to keep the servers up, and pump out new content, soooo...I wouldn't call it free, by nature. :roll:

But what do I know.

[zircon]

Shinji; free compared to other MMORPGs which charge you up the ass for expansions. EQ has what, like 15?

[The Author]

15$ per month is cheap as well.

ZG last night because our priests were not available for MC. We got 5 bosses down in under 3 hours, with only one wipe at the spider boss, which made us decide to kill the speaker then reset the encounter next time.

For the first time in a while, I decided to go all out. Previous experiences with some less able tanks had gotten me to think that going all out would be a very dangerous thing in most instances. It proved a good experience since I only got 2 straight attacks on a boss, the panter one, and it's because I was AR ing and I critted it with five SS followed by a crit evis... Such a random string of luck is not that frequent so I figure I won't be pulling aggro soon. (Simple math means that under 7 seconds, I did 5 times 600 plus 1800 damage, for a wooping 4800 added to my regular hits.)


Tonight we go for the Bat boss and Hakkar. Most people believe we are not ready for the edge of madness or hexar, but I would love to see us try, we are progressing faster than most guild were.

[GeckoYamori]

You can get game cards which cover a 2 month period. I got WoW along with a game card for about $60, which is about as much as a new console game, and my play time runs out in March. Then I can just get a new card whenever I want.

[zircon]

youkai, edge of madness is not too hard. The encounters there are more fun than difficult. Hexxer, however, is really hard. It's simply a matter of gear and class composition. If you have tons of DPS (4-5 melees) and healers that can last awhile, you're good.

I'm surprised you downed the Tiger boss so easily. That boss is very difficult - nearly as hard as the Hexxer - and even our ZG "A team" still has trouble with him. Way to go. The rest is downhill from here.

[The Author]

We had one mage and one rogue die on phase one of that fight, then against tony (Tony the Tiger...), I was the only one to die because of a last minute ground stomp that did over 1k damage.

I think though, that the faction classes may make a difference. Pallies might work to our advantage on the tiger boss. As far as Hexar is concerned, he's an undead, so pallies again will help a bit.

[zircon]

I don't know how you only lost a few people. You have to be constantly spamming heals on the MT, you get hit with stomps constantly for 1k (sometimes 2k if he does two in a row), you have tigers that are hitting you for 500 every 1-2 seconds, and he drops aggro very quickly. It's insane.

[The Author]

I'll say that a good devotion aura (+900 armor) and some good blessings are probably what helped. +10% to all stats, +295 attack power, and a better healing blessing are probably the major thing that helps alliance against tony.

We also have a very well geared tank and some top notch healers. (we did that fight with only one priest, 4 paladins, and 2 or 3 druids.)

[Raulimus]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3919/wait2df.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wait2df.jpg)
I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship, but I just keep coming back for more.

[zircon]

Play on a new server!! Gorefiend Horde :)

Last week, my guild killed Vael after 2 days of attempts. This weekend we killed Broodlord and Firemaw, working on the other two as we speak..

[mecca]

So I'm lv58 Rogue.

We're doing Strat/Baron and we have one MT, no pallies and two rogues (myself and a heartseeker-weilding 60) amongst other randoms.

The MT starts spouting off about how he'll be needing a skullforge if it drops, which is cool, until he actually arrives and he already fucking has one.

Being the manipulatively deceptive motherfucker I am, I kindly ask him to reconsider rolling need as I'm currently weilding 2x bonescraper. He declines, calling me a n00b.

What the fuck? He already fucking has one, and wants a SECOND AT LEVEL FUCKING SIXTY.

Seeing how outrageous this is, I /w the leader, and explain the situation. He understands, and insists its mine if it drops, without saying anything in Raidchat.

So we get to the Baron himself, and fell him in a swift motion.

Everyone grits their teeth in anticipation as the usual array of greens and trinkets are called out.

"And for the biggie" he says...the group falls silent...









"Shadowcraft pants!"



YES! I <3 WoW

[ellywu2]

Nef down. Shame my server is like 103rd out of 105 for AQ...

[zircon]

How long ago did you start BWL?

[The Author]

So I spent my week-end mostly PvPing. I got about 50 000 honor in 3 days. I'll wait for my rank up and I'll go back to AB. It seems a more "reliable" way to get upgrades... And AB is rather exciting, I mostly defend, and I get to improve my abilities against many classes. Nothing funnier than a fury warrior that gets stunlocked, then disarmed, gouged, and restunlocked. My solo abilities gain a lot from fighting adversaries that cant be beat by the "cheapshot SS SS SS evis" routine.

[ellywu2]

We've been on and off in BWL since oo about november i think (wasn't part of the guild when they started BWL.)
Loot was BF chestpiece, DS Chestpiece, Cloak of the Brood Lord, Neltharion's tear and the master dragon slayers ring from the head quest.

[Terrisare]

My character (60 Shammy) is on the becoming-infamous Shadow Moon server, which has been one of the worst affected by this outrageous lag and ques. So, on behalf of Shadow Moon, please harass Blizzard for us! Here's the original post, its locked now.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-shadowmoon&t=235604&p=1&tmp=1#post235604

[Hydro]

World of warcraft is alot of fun.

I play Horde on Daggerspine, and the occaisional alliance on Destromath.

I need some advice on getting to 60 though. My top three characters are all between 20 and 30. 24 Elem. Shaman, 25 BM Hunter, 28 Fury Warrior.

Pretty much im up to thousand needles on my warrior, but with only two quests left I'm unsure of what to do next.
With all of my total logged time, I probably could of had at least 2 lvl 60's right now if I knew what I was doing. Xfire says ive played a little over 200 hours.


Also, anyone thought about doing a OCR clan on a server?
That would be pretty leet.

[zircon]

5/8 bosses down in BWL..

[The wingless]

Omg. World of Warcraft remix on Overclocked

^________________________^

[Raenok]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3919/wait2df.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wait2df.jpg)
I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship, but I just keep coming back for more.

If there's one thing good about a high-populated server, it's that there are PLENTY of people to play the high-tier instances with. And it makes for much more random city conversation.

[Blehgopie]

HAH!!! Kil'Jaeden doesn't have huge queues!!!!




We just get a 30 minute retrieving character list followed up by a 20 minute load screen.

If anyone cares about Kil'Jaeden I play Horde side and my main is Googliopi, a 60 Shaman.

I have a bazillion alts as well.

Blehgopie - 60 Rogue
Jodaximo - 22 Mage
Undeadable - 24 Priest
Maximinimal - 42 Warlock
Warzwarmon - 15 Warrior (quit due to wanting a Blood Elf Warrior)
Huntrafico - 14 Hunter (randomly active due to hunters = boring)
Sellables - 1 Shaman (ZOMG AH ALT ZGOMZGMO)

I'm in the guild Tide of Darkness, and have been in the guild since last March. The website is www.todguild.com. We are a raiding guild, and we have MC on ezmode, as well as Onyxia. We are just starting BWL.

[Stalwart Jester]

Over here, on Argent Dawn...ugh...we're getting 800+ person queues.

Enough to make me wanna cry.

[The Author]

Another big step was accomplished by the Merry Band of Misfits: Our first master looter error...

Errr...

Gehenas and Garr down.

Nothing new on my side, I rolled a 28 on nightslayer gloves, but I don't really mind since right now I'm wearing a missmatched set + batskin set, and the gloves would have broken what I have. I currently have the lead in the sword rogue DKP, so brutality will be mine sooner than later. We were told by two of the top players on bloodscalp that if we wanted, we could get to Domo easily. Only thing we really miss is fire resist on our tanks. I think I may have joined one of the most interesting guilds on this server. Not only did we not mind trying Baron Geddon (that is knowing that we were almost certainly wiping at least once), but we are filled with really nice people.

One of our warriors won the drillborer disk, off of Garr, sadly, the masterlooter made a slight mistake and gave it to another warrior who had rolled on it. GMs were contacted and I still don't know how it'll be resolved, but the warrior who had won the disk said one thing that I really found classy: "Errors happen." He was not pissed, in fact, the leader was a lot more angry at himself than the warrior was. Hopefully, it'll be resolved by the GM, but if it isn't, the warrior won't mind, and the guild will hive him the next warrior drop, no rolling or anything.

[mecca]

Splashed out on a heartseeker tonight..300g. Awesome dagger.

I was in warsong, standing on the roof. A lone lv50 mage was guarding the flag. I lept down and ambushed her, sephiroth style.

She died on impact :(

I fucking love this dagger :) (lv59)

[Stalwart Jester]

Mecca, you'll learn to love that dagger, heheh, but I remind you...it won't be so effective come level 60...facing things equal your level will make you yearn for something better, whether it be a Lobotomizer, a Gutgore Ripper...anything.

Personally I'm hmeo-specced and loving it, but even then, I still want a Brutality Blade...

Which has refused to drop for 2 months now. :cry:

[The Author]

Yesterday we did MC up to garr with only one wipe due to a very bad dog pull in the lucifron room. Third time in the instance as a guild, and we got the first 4 bosses down.

[Stalwart Jester]

Not bad at all, Youkai.

Over here, we just got Hakkar down, so he's going on farm-status for the guild...we're still working on Ragnaros, we haven't gotten too much time to practice and whatnot on him yet...and come Feb, we're gonna take our first trip into BWL. Hopefully we can go it rather well.

[The Author]

Technically, we got the 4 bosses down in our second run, we just had 5 days between mag and gehenas. What impresses me is that we did all 4 bosses in less than 3 hours, that our only wipe was due to a technical error (tank 4 was on tank 3's target on a dog patch) and that we killed lucifron when we were aiming for a dog patch.

Also, we only had 3 warlocks for the Garr fight so we killed 5 adds instead of 4 before Garr, who went down quickly.

Also, it was my first time not dying except on the wipe.

On a sadder note, I lost the roll on NS leggings. :(

But I now have the lead in DKP. :)

And soon, we will be downing Onyxia. :D

[Stalwart Jester]

But I now have the lead in DKP. :)

That's always a good feeling, ain't it? :D

[The Author]

But I now have the lead in DKP. :)

That's always a good feeling, ain't it? :D

Yeah, it is.

[Dragonking]

Hey everyone, I'm a first time WoW player. I started about 3 days ago, and I'm addicted all the way. I'm a Human Paladin lvl. 22.

I just got done playing one of the most intense and fun quests so far. It wasn't great because of the quest itself but rather how me and my friend completed it. I had hit level 20 sometime last night, and I was doing the Paladin class quest where you have to collect a few items so that Jordan can make a weapon for you. The first one was easy enough to get from the Deadmines in Westfall. It was when I tried to get the second item, a shipment of ore, that things got every interesting.

The shipment of oar was hijacked by some ogres and taken into their camp in northeast Loch Modan. There were elite ogres lvl. 20-22 crawling EVERYWHERE, and no one in my guild or on my friends list was online to help except for this one girl, Myan, who had helped me out in a small quest when I passed by Auberdine in Darkshore. She was a lvl. 22 Night Elf hunter, and I asked if she could help me infiltrate the ogre's base. SHe agreed, and we set out. Man oh man, did we have fun.

Like I said, the place was crawling with ogres, so we both had to sneak around the edges of the camp and watch the patrol routine so that we could pounce on one of the guards, pull back to get him away from the group, and dispose of him. It was like Metal Gear Solid in WoW. We eventually made it to the farside of the camp where a cave was located. We slipped inside, taking out the ogres guarding the door silently. There were ogre mystics and brutes everywhere, but we managed to dispatch them too using stealth. However, I couldn't find the shipment of ore for my weapon. Where was it?

We sneaked out again, and lo and behold, near a tree was the crate I was looking for. So, we snuk around the edge of the area near the mountains, disposed of the guards, and took the item. Then, we snuk back out. It was the most fun I had in a quest so far. Just my friend and me against insurmountable odds. If either of us had been there alone, we would have died easily. We came close at one point, but we persevered thanks to my Paladdin skills and her Hunter abilities. Now I'm on my way to getting the next item. My experience may sound pretty trivial to the vets here, but just remember what it was like when you first installed the game (which took about an hour) and played through your first amazing quest. :-D

If anyone wants to hook up, I'm on the Alexstrasza server, and I go by Angelknight.

[The Author]

I still have fond memories of Darnassus, stealthing up to Malenar, and having to take care of him and a grellkin at the same time. Or when I had to fight an elite elemental in a small cave. Just a level 9 elite. But such a challenge. I had to calculate my pulls, and to get him down as fast as possible.

Heck, I got that heart pounding feeling back in MC. Trying to distract Garr and his minions to keep them in one spot. Stealthing up to a MC boss is always something that will get my heart racing.

Also, last night, we did a 10 man attunment run for MC. I actually killed the elemental patrols by myself, while waiting for others. Another challenge for my character. We did the attunment thing in under 20 minutes.

[Raenok]

So, Midivh finally had thier AQ gate open, despite some troubles it had. As it looks, as soon as everything is done (War Effort and the Sceptor), there will be a HUGE invasion in the area AQ is located. I think it was Tanaris. Anyways, as it looks, it will be fun as all hell. If you want to see the carnage, go to the WoW site. They have an entire set of pictures posted from the account of an Orc Warrior that has seen it.

[Raenok]

Since I hit level 20 just now, I can see why they changed Aspect of the Cheetah so.

Now, I need swords and axes for my duel-wielding. Any suggestions?

[zircon]

You want stuff with Agility and additional chance to crit.

[Raenok]

You want stuff with Agility and additional chance to crit.

I'll check Allakhazam. Thanks.

(I'll check Thottbot, too, if my first wields nothing. Don't get your panties in a bunch.)

[The Author]

You want stuff with Agility and additional chance to crit.

I'll check Allakhazam. Thanks.

(I'll check Thottbot, too, if my first wields nothing. Don't get your panties in a bunch.)

Anything with +agility.

Each point of agility is an additional 2 attack power, and each 14 AP is another 1 Ranged DPS.

Seriously, I go in AH, I check the usable item thing, go in the weapon section and I write agility.

I also look for either Tiger or Monkey.

[Brycepops]

Yeah um...I just bought the game today and I'm installing it right now :o . I'll keep y'all posted. And...

*bump*

[Stalwart Jester]

Yeah um...I just bought the game today and I'm installing it right now :o . I'll keep y'all posted. And...

*bump*

Welcome to the end of your social life.

Might as well pull up a chair.

[Blehgopie]

Lol, social life.

[Styrochrome]

I bought it a while ago...actually...around last summer.

Anyway, I made a character, used it for a while...blah blah blah...

Long story short, I used the free month and said goodbye.

I never had a social life to begin with, though, so I'm still without one. I'm also without something to do. So...I just got screwed in general.

[Brycepops]

Yeah um...I just bought the game today and I'm installing it right now :o . I'll keep y'all posted. And...

*bump*

Welcome to the end of your social life.

Might as well pull up a chair.

What social life :roll: . I'm anti-social to begin with, and getting addicted to an MMO isn't anything new to me.

[The Author]

But I now have the lead in DKP. :)

That's always a good feeling, ain't it? :D

Update from Bloodscalp, the MBoM Report:

Enter the Dragon

Sunday, we went for our first ever Onyxia run. While some of us, in other guilds or on past characters, had fought and/or downed her, it was the first time for us as a guild going there, and that was a big thing. We started off on the wrong foot. First mob pull, our tank dies because of a healer SNAFU. We res him, rebuff, and clear the way to ony. We all buff, get our stuff ready and we go in. The tank charges, he promptly drops to about 25% health, gets a lay on hand, and we get moving. He brings her down to 95%, and the rest of the raid slowly gets in. We go through phase one very fast. Due to some need to get used to that kind of boss, some problems did occure. She punted the tank, then turned to follow him, and I ended up flying towards eggs following a tail swipe. Hatchlings were killed and we went back on killing the dragon.

Begin phase 2. It was the fourth time I saw phase two. For many, it was the first time. We spread around, with all rogues and the feral druid right under her, unleashing a flurry of unadultareted DPS. Obviously, the locks and hunters actually took care of the lion's share of the damage at that point, but I had fun following a target, my camera pointed up, while avoiding clumping up when I was running towards her. She was a lot more mobile than I remembered her during phase 2. The whelps were taken care of perfectly by our two whelp teams, the damage was delt to the giant dragon, and the beast could soon no longer fly.

At that moment, I was in unknown territory. I had seen phase three as a passing moment before, as I laid dead waiting for the rest of the group to die, so what I actually knew of that part was that: 1 lots of fire, 2 very dangerous, 3 most spirits are released at that moment. Being alive and healthy actually surprised me, but hey, we had none but one or two casualties at that moment. I drank my second greater fire resistance potion, looked around me, and waited for the call. It came, and we charged. Actually, the game became charge and fear. Onyxia is one of these battles that do feel epic. No insult to the other bosses, but the onyxia battle has some drama in it. Details in the landscape like cracks on the floor now become life or death information as lava starts spewing out of them. There is this sense of urgency, this feeling that Onyxia is afraid. I know she cannot be, but the whole moment where the lava comes up, the fear is triggered, and the damage is poured on just feels that she fears defeat. Phase 3 however did not go flawlessly. Lava flows and fear can bring anyone down if they did not have the time to heal. I had used only one bandage and 2 fire protection potions prior to that. I used another major healing potion, and 4 bandages during phase three. We had some close calls, like the main healer dying, getting battle rezed, and dying again. Our main tank got dangerously close to dying, and Onyxia was getting unpredictable and changed target two or three times. During one of these moments, an unlucky fear pushed someone in the eggs. 6 whelps popped around one of our healers. At least, that what I saw. I broke my bandaging. Started my cooldowns (which I had barely gotten back from phase 2) and charged at the whelps. I was not alone, and the 6 whelps were but a memory soon. Saving a healer has it's perks, as it seems I no longer needed bandaging when the whelps died. Onyxia was now at 15%. We had around 6 casualties. We started giving her more love. Love that came in the form of sinister strikes, arcane shots, backstabs, and various other moves that I could not begin to name. She was down at 10%, we had around 8 casualties. We would not know any others. We pushed it in overdrive. I drank thistle tea that by any standards would be foul because of how long it stagnated in my backpack, just so I could pour on more damage. I regreted not having more ways to make onyxia scream, but I knew that when I could not strike her, someone else was doing it. And that when I was not critting, someone else was doing it.


Soon, she had only one percent health left. That 1 percent was the shortest and the longest moment of the whole fight. Shortest because the beast dropped without any more protest. The longest because it took us, I can only attest to the last three months but I will speak for the guild (hopefully they will not hold it against me), that 1% took about a year. It took countless UBRS run. It took countless jailbreaks. It took 4 hours of my saturday to get some people to jailbreak and through it. That 1% took a year to each of the members of the raid. That's 40 years worth of work, all condensed in 1%.

She dropped. A quel'serar was forged in her blood. Her head was removed and handed to our tank, which by all means deserved a lot more. A king's ransom was looted from her, which, after taxes and being divided rounded up to about 4 golds per person. With my 56 silver repair bill, I feel this has been a very profitable moment in my day if I don't count my potion, arcanum of resilience, and other various investments done that very same day. As you all know, the head dropped. The 18 slotter backpack dropped. It was randomly distributed and ended up in my possession. Sandals of the insurgent dropped, as did some plate gauntlets that give +10 defense. Now comes the purple loot. She dropped Eskandar's collar. It went to a very deserving rogue, although at this point, I believe anyone deserved what dropped and probably more... Judgement Crown went to a paladin. And now, linking back to what I originally quoted, some of you may guess what else dropped. Bloodfang Hood replaced my very loved Shadowcraft helm. You most likely do not know this, but Shadowcraft helm was my first upgrade ever in the MBoM. The very night I got accepted in the guild, I tagged along for a Scholo run, where SC helm dropped. There is some sentimental value right there.

Sorry for making this long a post, but I could not share our victory in any shorter means, as it would have seemed like I did not care about the fight, just the rewards. I am very grateful for all I have gotten, but somehow, this morning, I care a lot more about the road travelled to get up to this point.

Although, to be honnest, I think it looks wicked cool and I just wish people could see that I am proud and happy to have it, but that in no way I want to rub it in people's faces, I just want to share my happiness with all of you.

[Stalwart Jester]

Yeah um...I just bought the game today and I'm installing it right now :o . I'll keep y'all posted. And...

*bump*

Welcome to the end of your social life.

Might as well pull up a chair.

What social life :roll: . I'm anti-social to begin with, and getting addicted to an MMO isn't anything new to me.

Oh.

Well, in that case. Just pull up a chair.

/chair Brycepops

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/images/chair_2.jpg

[Stalwart Jester]

But I now have the lead in DKP. :)

That's always a good feeling, ain't it? :D

Update from Bloodscalp, the MBoM Report:

Enter the Dragon

::Really long Onyxia fight story which I thoroughly enjoyed::

Oh, snap, man. Congrats on downing Onyxia! I just got my Bloodfang helm recently too, and I agree, it looks kickass. And yeah, I agree with you on several points you brought up. The Onyxia fight DOES feel epic. It's far better than any crappy MC boss...except maybe for Rags. He's good too, with his flamboyant entrance and whatnot, and his constant tauntings.

Speaking of which: the joint-group I raid with commonly just downed Rags for the first time last night. Legplates of Wrath, which went to the maintank, some caster leggings, and a Perdition's Blade which went to a very lucky dagger rogue, is what I remember. I wasn't there for the first downing of Rags, though. ::le sigh:: I couldn't make it, sadly. Sharing the family computer FTL. :cry:

On a better note, Blackwing Lair this Wednesday for us! Gonna have a go at the first boss. Wish us luck!

((And sorry for double-posting.))

[The Author]

Hmmm... BWL...

I think I'll have to ask someone some questions regarding BWL...

[The Author]

Last night was good as well. I got brutality blade.

Part of me wants to keep going in MC to help with my new gear, and part of me tells me I should stay away to let others gear up...

[GeckoYamori]

Patch 1.10 has been announced, which includes a new Priest talent tree and weather effects.

[mecca]

Nice post Youkai..I just hit 60 myself (rogue) and cant wait to start the propper instances :)

Got myself a heartseeker and a bonescraper atm (guild gave me a free +15 agi enchant for hitting 60 :)) Thinking I'll stay dagger spec and look for a nice offhand to the Seeker (although that wont stop me rolling on a one-handed sword between you and me ;)).

So far I've done ZG, which is a fucking evil instance. We only got to the boss w/ raptor mount then I had to go, couldnt even drop him at that so will have to return again.

Keep us posted with your WoW endevours, they're an insteresting read.

[zircon]

Patch 1.10 has been announced, which includes a new Priest talent tree and weather effects.

Where? There's no talk on the Priest forum.

[Miletus]

There's talk of it here: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147617

[ellywu2]

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44450

about damn time as well.
We killed nef a while ago, yet for the last month or so we havent managed to get past Vael for some god known reason. For some reason my guild thinks its a good idea to have priests healing the MT's and druids healing the groups..(it should be the other way around.)

Of course, neither being a healer or a tank makes my opinion useless. ESPECIALLY because i play a hunter.

[zircon]

There's talk of it here: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147617

Well, I knew about the Priest talent revision and review. But Gecko implied there was more info available.

[The Author]

Upgrade tier 0 armors.

This will make a lot of people happy.

[Rodin]

There's talk of it here: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147617

Well, I knew about the Priest talent revision and review. But Gecko implied there was more info available.

There hasn't been a big Blizzard post about it, but a lot can be learned by piecing together the various things that have been said since 1.9. We know that weather effects are still slated for 1.10, as are the Priest reviews (including skill review, not just talents). In addition, from what I recall the Tier .5 armor set is slated for either 1.10 or 1.11.

[suzumebachi]

Upgrade tier 0 armors.

This will make a lot of people happy.

that makes me want to play again :(

epics that can be won by soloing ftw.

[Stalwart Jester]

From what I hear, tier 0.5 armor sets and weather effects, bundled along with the priest changes, are going to be the main attractions of 1.10.

Want to know my opinion?

Weather effects and tier 0.5 armors obtainable by small groups = HOO-FREAKING-HAH!

I can't wait for 1.10 now.

[The Author]

Weird update.

I got "das boot" from the MBoM. Apparently, they didn't enjoy me concidering doing stuff with real life friends instead of with them. Coupled with me rolling on stuff they said "everyone roll" and winning it, and other interesting condradiction, I figured I must just have pissed someone in the guild council and they had to justify their decision.

Which doesn't really make sense because if they didn't want me, they could just have kicked me. Oh well, guess I wasn't made to be with them. In a sense, they were a bit annoying. Some of them complained that when I joined, I organised a lot of runs to go to places where I wanted stuff and stopped organising them after I had what I wanted.

Go figure, I'm not the only one who needs UBRS, and frankly, the last time I organised a blood run, it turned out that only one of the people interested needed it.

Oh well, guess I'll fly solo for a bit.

[Stalwart Jester]

Weird update.

I got "das boot" from the MBoM. Apparently, they didn't enjoy me concidering doing stuff with real life friends instead of with them. Coupled with me rolling on stuff they said "everyone roll" and winning it, and other interesting condradiction, I figured I must just have pissed someone in the guild council and they had to justify their decision.

Which doesn't really make sense because if they didn't want me, they could just have kicked me. Oh well, guess I wasn't made to be with them. In a sense, they were a bit annoying. Some of them complained that when I joined, I organised a lot of runs to go to places where I wanted stuff and stopped organising them after I had what I wanted.

Go figure, I'm not the only one who needs UBRS, and frankly, the last time I organised a blood run, it turned out that only one of the people interested needed it.

Oh well, guess I'll fly solo for a bit.

Ugh.

That freaking sucks man, I'm sorry. If a guild can't handle some of it's members having a social life... ::shakes head::

[The Author]

Well, to their credits, it was RL friends, but a WoW thing. Some of my friends are in another guild (basically we used to be in the same guild, then it brok up, I took a 2 month break, and when I returned they were in this other guild, which at that point did not need rogues.), and that guild actually had no rogues available for BWL. Ya know, in my defense, no one minded when the leaders ran MC or Ony with other guild "to get experience and to know how to do it," I figured they could easily get a replacement (rogues in a guild is rarelly the needed class), and I did ask if it was a problem before even stating what the offer was. Meh, I can't figure how they are gonna react when that stray core hound is not brought back to the pack by a rogue who doesn't really care about durability. Not saying they won't be doing as well as they were, but I'm saying that I invested a lot in that guild, and that this kind of investment (getting AB groups running, instance runs going, and doing a lot of stuff for the guild) is gonna be missed by them.

But, no point dwelling on the past, I might just take this as a chance to take a break from WoW and do other stuff.

[luminaire23]

From what I hear, tier 0.5 armor sets and weather effects, bundled along with the priest changes, are going to be the main attractions of 1.10.

Want to know my opinion?

Weather effects and tier 0.5 armors obtainable by small groups = HOO-FREAKING-HAH!

I can't wait for 1.10 now.

I hear ya there. I've had a 60 Mage and Priest without epic gear for a very long time because I didn't have the time/schedule to do MC/BWL/etc(and I'm really not very interested in 40-mans anyway). This is the best news I've heard in a long while.

[The Author]

I see PvP as a good alternative to getting better gear. But yeah, 40 man raids get boring quickly, especially as a rogue. 3 minutes of battle and 10 minutes of discussing loot/strategy/why we wiped.

[Stalwart Jester]

From what I hear, tier 0.5 armor sets and weather effects, bundled along with the priest changes, are going to be the main attractions of 1.10.

Want to know my opinion?

Weather effects and tier 0.5 armors obtainable by small groups = HOO-FREAKING-HAH!

I can't wait for 1.10 now.

I hear ya there. I've had a 60 Mage and Priest without epic gear for a very long time because I didn't have the time/schedule to do MC/BWL/etc(and I'm really not very interested in 40-mans anyway). This is the best news I've heard in a long while.

Yeah. I, myself, have 5 epics...Bloodfang Hood, Nightslayer Shoulderpads, Nightslayer Gloves, Offhand Warblade of the Hakkari, and Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom.

The rest of my armor? Yeah. It's crappy.

REALLY crappy.

This'll give me the opportunity to strengthen myself up, make myself a force to be reckoned with...I've got the skill, it's just that in this game, in some situations? Gear > Skill, sadly. It's saddening but true...

...Though the fun part is I can STILL own any cloth-wearer. :lol: It's the plate targets I have trouble with.

[The Author]

I fancy myself as a warrior killer. Let me guess Shinji, you are a hemo rogue?

Anyway, I only have 3 epics: Bloodfang Hood, Brutality Blade, and Darkmoon Card Heroism.

[Stalwart Jester]

I fancy myself as a warrior killer. Let me guess Shinji, you are a hemo rogue?

Anyway, I only have 3 epics: Bloodfang Hood, Brutality Blade, and Darkmoon Card Heroism.

Yeah, that I am. Switched to it for the benefit of the raid. That, and I'm getting my stunlock down good. The extra subtlety skills are nice too.

I used to be combat, though, so I know what you mean. But even as a combat rogue, the warriors with epic two-handers and mortal strike and whatnot...ugh. Just...scary.

"You dodge.
Warrior overpowers you for OMGWTFBBQ!
You proceed to die a horrible death."

I hate them.

[The Author]

I fancy myself as a warrior killer. Let me guess Shinji, you are a hemo rogue?

Anyway, I only have 3 epics: Bloodfang Hood, Brutality Blade, and Darkmoon Card Heroism.

Yeah, that I am. Switched to it for the benefit of the raid. That, and I'm getting my stunlock down good. The extra subtlety skills are nice too.

I used to be combat, though, so I know what you mean. But even as a combat rogue, the warriors with epic two-handers and mortal strike and whatnot...ugh. Just...scary.

"You dodge.
Warrior overpowers you for OMGWTFBBQ!
You proceed to die a horrible death."

I hate them.

If I see a PvP geared warrior with a weapon that does not shine, I walk away. If it has any form of enchant on it, I go for it, cheap shot him, start AR and blade fury, and I basically do as many attacks as possible to get my crippling poison on him. If I dodge before I parry, I start sprint, run through him, and get out of range ASAP, if I parry before I dodge, I disarm him, hit him a bit more, then expose armor him, gouge him, restealth, and cheap shot him again, at that moment, if he has no healing, he is getting scared. A warrior with 2000 armor less is an easy target. I have +13 to hit, so I never miss with special attacks, he needs to parry or dodge. Again, I unleash on him, and at that point, with the exposed armor, and the easy 5 point evisc (1 point from expose armor due to rentless strike or the other one before it...) 1 from gouge, 2 from CS, 1 from SS during the SS, he ends up having another 2000 damage less on his life. At that point, I make sure he is disarmed again, and I just try to do as much damage as possible.

I took down a warlord with this strategy.

[Leon K.]

Sup guys, wannabe 29 hemo-rogue on hakkar here. Represent! Anyone who wants to roll a new horde toon should roll there a join foebane, we're quickly moving to the top of the pvp ladder :D

[ellywu2]

lol you're missing the golden hunter age mate. pre 1.7 we needed skills to beat people, now people are whining about us as if we are shamans lol :P

[SleazyC]

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44450

about damn time as well.
We killed nef a while ago, yet for the last month or so we havent managed to get past Vael for some god known reason. For some reason my guild thinks its a good idea to have priests healing the MT's and druids healing the groups..(it should be the other way around.)

Of course, neither being a healer or a tank makes my opinion useless. ESPECIALLY because i play a hunter.
Oh man... I hate that freaking thing.

GG 2k+ Aimed Shot followed by a 2k Multishot crit.

My guild recently downed Vael and is progressing onto Broodlord and beyond hopefully.

[The Author]

lol you're missing the golden hunter age mate. pre 1.7 we needed skills to beat people, now people are whining about us as if we are shamans lol :P

Battlegrounds, defending the gold mine with my 37 hunter.

Put down ice trap, throw flare, sit pet by flag. Stand on the front of the mine, with a bit of a vantage point. See mage come down. Start aimshot. Trap rogue at flag. Crit mage. Concussive shot, auto shot Mage down. Hunter mark Rogue. Aim shot at rogue. Send pet on rogue. Serpent sting rogue. Arcane shot rogue. Rogue down. Put trap, stealth pet, Start flare, shadowmeld. Wait.

[ellywu2]

Indeed, i can feasibly put out 5k damage in around 3-4 seconds with that x-bow, although i damn well should be able to considering its the best bow in the game. I dont see half as many people wanting to nerf mages who can 1 shot kill me :P

[mecca]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7630/untitled7sq.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7sq.jpg)

PIMPIN'

Yeah..Shadowcraft at lv60..highly embarassing :( Sooner I get SC gear the better, but I'm starting to get a bit bored with having no direction or care other than getting better armour, kinda realising the entire game revolves around killing mobs to get better gear to kill harder mobs to get better armour to kill harder mobs again to get..[repeat]

[The Author]

And then what?

[The Author]

Seriously, like 3 weeks ago, I had all the gear I wanted. My rogue was nasty and powerful. Then I looked at by belt, when on thottbot and looked for a replacement. Same with my leggings, and my shoulders.
Then I saw nice gloves. But if I replace my gloves, I need to replace my bracer and armor, because I would lose my batskin set bonus. Then I got bloodfang hood. Well, that can't fly, I need more of that, and some nightslayer for good measure.

Then I got brutality blade, I need a new off hand. I looked at which ones I could get.

Then it hit me. I'm gonna do this all over again once I get my completed set, because 2 patches from now, there wil be gear that will be slightly better and that will require 2 months of playing per piece.

I don't like that anymore. It scares me that I have been playing WoW for over 1 year and that while I did get satisfaction playing it, it was always replaced by "oh fuck, now I need this."

[mecca]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7630/untitled7sq.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled7sq.jpg)

PIMPIN'

Yeah..Shadowcraft at lv60..highly embarassing :( Sooner I get SC gear the better, but I'm starting to get a bit bored with having no direction or care other than getting better armour, kinda realising the entire game revolves around killing mobs to get better gear to kill harder mobs to get better armour to kill harder mobs again to get..[repeat]


I don't like that anymore. It scares me that I have been playing WoW for over 1 year and that while I did get satisfaction playing it, it was always replaced by "oh fuck, now I need this."

Glad to see I'm not the only one...

[The Author]

I think it's time I do /account cancel.

Maybe I'll come back around burning legion. Leveling up is a lot more fun.

[mecca]

could always start an alt..unless you already have :)

caster class would be a fresh change from melee

[The Author]

I have a 43 mage, 41 hunter, 38 paladin, 33 priest, 25 warlock, 24 warrior, 21 druid... on bloodscalp, I also have a 18 druid and a 20 shammy, a 12 warrior, and some other characters spread around the servers.

[Soma]

I'm on lothar, i've got a lvl 60 PLD and a 30 warrior, and a 12 shaman.

[luminaire23]

I think it's time I do /account cancel.

Maybe I'll come back around burning legion. Leveling up is a lot more fun.

Yeah, that's why I never got into raiding. I personally hate PvE(for the most part, anyway) and with all the 40-mans out there, all I see my friends do is spend their time in instances. Sure, you get nice equipment, but you practically lose your soul. That's why I can't wait for 1.10. I don't mind doing smaller instances/quests to get gear. It's about time Blizz catered to the solo or non-raiding gamers.

[The Author]

I think it's time I do /account cancel.

Maybe I'll come back around burning legion. Leveling up is a lot more fun.

Yeah, that's why I never got into raiding. I personally hate PvE(for the most part, anyway) and with all the 40-mans out there, all I see my friends do is spend their time in instances. Sure, you get nice equipment, but you practically lose your soul. That's why I can't wait for 1.10. I don't mind doing smaller instances/quests to get gear. It's about time Blizz catered to the solo or non-raiding gamers.

"We're not gonna tell you how to play, but do it this way. Oh and please respec..."

I think I better walk away before I get suckered back in.

[gleipnir binds]

YAY!!!! I finally got it (sort of) well my firend is letting me use his account so goodbye to social life once again... I was getting better too

[The Author]

Yeah, I am walking away, it's about time actually.

Had fun, but I'm better off in the real world...

Goodbye azeroth.

[zircon]

Heh. Honestly, this game only gets more and more fun for me. Blackwing Lair is a blast. We're doing smaller groups for Onyxia to make it more challenging, and trying to speedrun Molten Core. I lay waste to hundreds of Alliance each day in BGs. Friday night drunken Arathi Basin over Vent keeps my in stitches all night. I love this game!

[Space Lion]

Nothing to contribute, really... just a few things about my recent adventures.

6/8 Dragonstalker - Tauren hunter here, I'm missing the shoulders and the BP. One of our hunters got Ashjre'thul (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44450) from a recent Chromaggus kill (Time Lapse + Corrosive Acid).

Nefarian down - Dropped him Friday evening, black/green Drakonid combo. He didn't drop the Dragonstalker BP, but my guild awarded the head to me. :D

Ahn'Qiraj open - Gates opened Monday night. We spent most of the time grinding for faction. Afterwards, we zoned into the temple (AQ40)for a preview. Good stuff.

I'm still having fun in WoW, and it's only gonna get better. I'm already looking forward to Naxxramus. :)

[zircon]

Nice! We got the crossbow last week. At the moment, we're still on Nef phase 1.. no one wants to spend time on him, sadly :/

AQ gates will probably open next week for us.

[speculative]

Voice chat definitely improves the WoW experience, vastly.

I don't know... I was kind of excited to start raiding, but honestly I don't see how Blizzard expects people to fight through the same dungeons endlessly for fun. If the expansion comes out in the next month or two I might stick around long-term. I'm definitely not going to PvP. Guildies wait for 4 hours to even get into BG. I thought questing to 60 was great, and there are still areas I haven't seen yet (and I haven't experience the Horde side at all) but dang at 60 it seems to get a bit pointless unless you like posing in your epics standing around IF...

[zircon]

Voice chat definitely improves the WoW experience, vastly.

I don't know... I was kind of excited to start raiding, but honestly I don't see how Blizzard expects people to fight through the same dungeons endlessly for fun. If the expansion comes out in the next month or two I might stick around long-term. I'm definitely not going to PvP. Guildies wait for 4 hours to even get into BG. I thought questing to 60 was great, and there are still areas I haven't seen yet (and I haven't experience the Horde side at all) but dang at 60 it seems to get a bit pointless unless you like posing in your epics standing around IF...

First of all, they're constantly adding new dungeons, and it takes an AWFUL lot of time to get it down to the point where it's trivial. By the time you do, there's a new one out, and all of them are different and fun.

Second of all, play on a different server. I've never waited more than 15 minutes in a BG queue. In fact, people BITCH if the queue is 5 minutes long, saying "is the queue broken or something? Why's it taking so long?" - most times, we get in in less than a few seconds!

[luminaire23]

So, what does everyone think of the new priest talents? I personally can't wait to respec Holy again. Seems the priest class is finally going to be the master healing class(never liked Disc tree. Too PvEish for my taste).

[OA]

The new priest talents are sick as hell. They added everything I wanted and more, the most notable bieng more PVP survivability.

My current build is 22 holy 29 disc, and i'll be changing to 34 holy 17 disc. Most of my gear is PVEish (full proph), but with the new changes it'll be a lot more viable for pvp.

[speculative]

True - WoW has added more content than other mmo's I've played, certainly.

Admittedly, I am not on a PvP server which is probably why the BG que is so long. I am on an older server; the qeue just to log into my server is often 250+ long at peak times.

If Blizzard can continue to produce, I'm going to stick around for at least awhile longer.

[Stalwart Jester]

The new priest talents are pimp. I like the one where you're rezzed as an angel for 10 seconds and then can promptly cast healing spells for free for 10 seconds...talk about useful.

Aside from that, Blizz best keep the stuff coming...I might actually go and try out EQ2, if things stay boring right now. :?

[Raenok]

The new priest talents are pimp. I like the one where you're rezzed as an angel for 10 seconds and then can promptly cast healing spells for free for 10 seconds...talk about useful.

Aside from that, Blizz best keep the stuff coming...I might actually go and try out EQ2, if things stay boring right now. :?

Undead Priests are going to look awesome as angels then.

[ILLiterate]

I've just lost pretty much all interest in this game going from lvl 30-40. I'll just wait it out for a bit and start playing again in like a week

[zircon]

Yeah, new Priest talents made me cry irl.

edit: with joy

[GeckoYamori]

I have been playing priest for a while and I love it. Got a discipline NE priest, but now I'm playing a holy Troll priest since the NE exclusive priest skills sucked. I thought I'd try holy that everyone seems to resent, and then switch to discipline with the free talent reset. But after checking out the revamped holy tree I'm not so sure anymore.

[BluPhlame]

I just recently re-activated my account. I'm an Undead Warlock by the name of Vairnoul on the Dark Iron server. I've just hit a nasty snag, as I can't seem to get any quests done by myself, nor find anyone to help. I probably just don't know what I'm doing. Much more practice is needed on my part.

[speculative]

Does anyone run on a server where everyone is lvl 60? I mean, in IF I literally don't see a soul anymore at any time, day or night, who isn't 60. Once in a great while I'll see a lvl 1 standing by a mailbox, and that's it. (Obviously someone's alt mule.)

[zircon]

Well, statistically, the majority of WoW players are 60.. so, yeah, I'd expect that.

[luminaire23]

Yeah, new Priest talents made me cry irl.

edit: with joy

Yeah, they look pretty awesome. I'm absolutely loving the Holy tree right now. Now I'm waiting for them to release all the details on the revamped dungeons and the "casual"(I hate that word) epic sets. I'm not really into raiding, so 1.10 is looking to be my favorite patch. 1.11 may come close because I have a 60 mage as well. I think Tseric will do the mage class justice.

[Stalwart Jester]

I just recently re-activated my account. I'm an Undead Warlock by the name of Vairnoul on the Dark Iron server. I've just hit a nasty snag, as I can't seem to get any quests done by myself, nor find anyone to help. I probably just don't know what I'm doing. Much more practice is needed on my part.

Level?

Undead Priests are going to look awesome as angels then.

I think they're all gonna use the same model...hell I don't even know if they're gonna use a model. I think the talent mentioned something about an angel or something though.

[Arek the Absolute]

nerfed hunters, buffed priests
Priests are now going to be like they are in RO *except for the fact that these priests can kill things*.
Gj blizzard. :roll:

[The Author]

nerfed hunters, buffed priests
Priests are now going to be like they are in RO *except for the fact that these priests can kill things*.
Gj blizzard. :roll:

...

Yeah, I don't miss the game at all.

Always the same crap, buff one, nerf one, promise buff on another.

With 10 classes, this rotation can go on for a while.

They usually nerf the class buffed 2 patches ago. Priests are getting buffed, then next time they will get a minor adjustment (balanced readjusting) then they will get nerfed.

By the time of class adjustment 10, they will release the expension, and start all over again with warriors, while they will nerf shammies, and readjust rogues.

[suzumebachi]

i quit playing since they broke the shit out of my pets. what have they done to hunters now?

[zircon]

We just got the changes that were coming to us. Play a Priest and you'd see how we really needed these changes.

For example, we are designated by Blizzard to be the premiere healing class. However (pre-1.10), a Disc/Holy Priest was only on the level with resto Shamans/Druids and Paladins. However, in terms of efficiency, Shaman's Lesser Healing Wave was actually MORE efficient than our Flash Heal. So was the lower rank Druid Healing Touch spells, and the Paladin's Flash of Light. Not to mention Priests were the only class not to get the full HP/S benefit from +healing, and the only casting class without any sort of mana regeneration talent or ability (Mages - Evocate, Warlocks - Lifetap, Shamans - Mana Tide/Spring, Druids - Innervate, Paladins - Blessing of Wisdom). It was an insult.

The classes now are pretty much balanced.

[luminaire23]

We just got the changes that were coming to us. Play a Priest and you'd see how we really needed these changes.

For example, we are designated by Blizzard to be the premiere healing class. However (pre-1.10), a Disc/Holy Priest was only on the level with resto Shamans/Druids and Paladins. However, in terms of efficiency, Shaman's Lesser Healing Wave was actually MORE efficient than our Flash Heal. So was the lower rank Druid Healing Touch spells, and the Paladin's Flash of Light. Not to mention Priests were the only class not to get the full HP/S benefit from +healing, and the only casting class without any sort of mana regeneration talent or ability (Mages - Evocate, Warlocks - Lifetap, Shamans - Mana Tide/Spring, Druids - Innervate, Paladins - Blessing of Wisdom). It was an insult.

The classes now are pretty much balanced.

Amen.

[The Author]

I know, the problem is that they only strive to solve class problems. They don't even try to have some sort of balance be put in.

A restoration druid should be as good a healer as a priest without talents.

A shammy should be as good a healer as a priest - 20 levels.

A pally should be as good a healer as a priest - 10 levels.



The problem with the priest mana restoration is that other than the pally restoration, most mana restorations would basically give the priest too much power. Pally blessing is slow, that time usage is the best aspect of the thing. Evocation is a pretty cheap and dumbass talent. A mage with no mana is useless, I know that. So have that mage learn how to conserve mana. Improved mana gems would be a much better talent. And a lot more balanced.

A warlock's lifetap is balanced because it uses his life to add more mana. If a priest had lifetap, all he would do would lifetap, heal himself, and relifetap...

A druid innervate, if I remember correctly, is others only. If not, it should be that. A warrior cannot (other than by using potions) have an ability that brings his life back up in an instant. That would be gamebreaking. Just like the mana restoration abilities.

They need to work on balancing the classes beyond just buffing and nerfing seemingly randomly. Every month, they satisfy half of their population and piss off the other half.

[Nat]

The classes now are pretty much balanced.

Far from it.

Blizzard considers rouges to be the only "complete" class. Ask anyone else smart enough to know about the other classses and im sure they would have a bit to say about it.

[Miletus]

Can only speak for the shaman class but we do need significant buffing in the PVE area, our resto talent tree is a complete mess. Our vast inferiority to pallies in the raid environment also imbalances Horde progress.

And btw, 9 classes*

[zircon]

I know, the problem is that they only strive to solve class problems. They don't even try to have some sort of balance be put in.

Yes, they do.

A restoration druid should be as good a healer as a priest without talents.

With 1.10, that will be the case. Resto druids are very efficient, have the biggest heals in the game (come 1.10 since GHeal will be weakened), the best heal-over-time spells, combat rez, innervate, and Nature's Swiftness, all of which are lifesavers.

A shammy should be as good a healer as a priest - 20 levels.

Then that would be useless for PVP AND PVE. Right now, Shamans are pretty balanced, believe it or not. I've done all content except AQ in the game and PVPed for hundreds of hours. Shamans have a good role as a support class.

A pally should be as good a healer as a priest - 10 levels.

With 1.10, they will be weaker than Priests overall in terms of healing, though they will make up for it in other areas.

The problem with the priest mana restoration is that other than the pally restoration, most mana restorations would basically give the priest too much power. Pally blessing is slow, that time usage is the best aspect of the thing. Evocation is a pretty cheap and dumbass talent. A mage with no mana is useless, I know that. So have that mage learn how to conserve mana. Improved mana gems would be a much better talent. And a lot more balanced.

That avoids my point. Priests didn't have any mana restoration abilities, other classes did. Shouldn't a MAIN healer have more staying power than a HYBRID?

A warlock's lifetap is balanced because it uses his life to add more mana. If a priest had lifetap, all he would do would lifetap, heal himself, and relifetap...

I'm not proposing giving Priest's lifetap. I was pointing out, once again, that all other casting classes had mana regeneration, and we did not. We actually still aren't gaining anything, but our efficiency changes make up for it.

A druid innervate, if I remember correctly, is others only. If not, it should be that. A warrior cannot (other than by using potions) have an ability that brings his life back up in an instant. That would be gamebreaking. Just like the mana restoration abilities.

Innervate can be cast on yourself, too.

They need to work on balancing the classes beyond just buffing and nerfing seemingly randomly. Every month, they satisfy half of their population and piss off the other half.

As I've said repeatedly, now, they ARE quite balanced. Perhaps a few tweaks to Rogues, but that's about it.

[Raenok]

So, a fellow guild member had to run off to the hospital because she found blood in her vomit.

I hope she doesn't have any serious problems. I like her...

[zircon]

Can only speak for the shaman class but we do need significant buffing in the PVE area, our resto talent tree is a complete mess. Our vast inferiority to pallies in the raid environment also imbalances Horde progress.

And btw, 9 classes*

Keep in mind you can't look at EVERYTHING from the 40-man raid perspective. But if you do, Shamans are still pretty nice. Threat reduction, +agility, mana regeneration, nature's swiftness, non-timer rez, reincarnation, efficient 1.5 second heal that's on-par with the Priest flash heal, chain heal, an assortment of other useful totems, and of course, Windfury (more importantly, Windfury totem).

If you look across the board there are as many Horde guilds dominating AQ as there are Alliance guilds.

[The Author]

At some point, rogues are gonna need more than a minor readjustment. So far, the only easily killed class for rogues will remain non-ice mages. I can't test it, but I am sure all priests will be at the level of shadow priests. As one of my friends said: "the only thing that can kill a shadowpriest is a troll shadow priest."

Obviously, rogues do deserve some of the crap they receive about their power in PvP, but to ensure victory for the rogue, they have to pick a target and eait for a vulnerable moment. Fighting any target at full power for a rogue is complete madness and will cause death. In pve, a rogue is a boring experience.

All you do is wait while you are at full power for about 5 minutes, then you wait 5 minutes for the tank to gain aggro, and then you have to not do as much damage as you can because the tank has to hold aggro.

WARNING, UNRELATED RANT
Should you try to suggest something not in a walkthrough (mind numbing poison on the bat boss comes to mind), most people act as if you are stupid. If you do it and you work, you don't get the credit for it, and if it doesn't people just reinforce the idea that you are stupid for trying to improve a strategy some doofus wrote on a website.

No one plays WoW anymore. They download macros, use strategies from other guilds, and then they argue about loot.


If there was any kind of balance, I wouldn't even complain about the rogue's status. But unlike for some classes, many people believe there is only one viable rogue build, and that is the sub/dagger spec. Now priests have gone from 3 viable specs to about a dozen interractions between talents. At some point, I wish that rogues will get the option to have a more flexible and interesting talent interraction.


Also, you cannot concider the rogue complete as long as "improved distract" will remain a talent.

[Miletus]

Keep in mind you can't look at EVERYTHING from the 40-man raid perspective. But if you do, Shamans are still pretty nice. Threat reduction, +agility, mana regeneration, nature's swiftness, non-timer rez, reincarnation, efficient 1.5 second heal that's on-par with the Priest flash heal, chain heal, an assortment of other useful totems, and of course, Windfury (more importantly, Windfury totem).

If you look across the board there are as many Horde guilds dominating AQ as there are Alliance guilds.

We're okay, far from useless for sure, but we have so much useless shit in both skills and talents, and pale in comparison to the paladin's buffing power in raid situations. It's frustratingly enough like we're a class designed around pvp/elemental, yet unable to contribute to ranged dps, yet even when specced restoration are basically inferior heal/buffbots. I don't mind the heal and support role, I just wish if I put all my points into it I didn't still end up with a majority of useless totems and basically zero caster beneficial totems except one with a five minute cooldown. Why should we be, as someone suggested earlier in the thread, -20 levels on a priest in healing powers if it's basically all we do in a raid. Let alone -10 levels on a pally, considering our role in raids are basically identical.

As for my focus on 40 man raids, it seems to be that that's the thing Blizz are really trying to push people towards. It's either that or PVP, and dividing PVP and PVE shamans is what talent trees are all about.

[The Author]

You deal damage.

You deal a lot of it.

In a raid, you should be a back up healer in a "oh shit it all went wrong" situation. With my 60 rogue, I have only met one pally able to defeat me in a duel, and that was because I so rarelly fight pallies. Shammies can often defeat me (well, those that are well played.)

With the whole damage dealing aspect of the shaman, they should do less in terms of healing. The problem you have is that the first guild to do something used a shammy as a healer and now everyone follows that one walkthrough and never questions it. A shammy is more suited in front, dealing damage, and healing when necessary. Just like a feral druid should be in cat form, and a balance druid in moonkin form.

Also, pallies suffer from the same problem as shammies, they are stuck in one role because someone arbitrarely decided that pallies were buff/heal only. So I see pallies wearing cloth in instances...

Go figure.

[Miletus]

You deal damage.

You deal a lot of it.

In a raid, you should be a back up healer in a "oh shit it all went wrong" situation. With my 60 rogue, I have only met one pally able to defeat me in a duel, and that was because I so rarelly fight pallies. Shammies can often defeat me (well, those that are well played.)

With the whole damage dealing aspect of the shaman, they should do less in terms of healing. The problem you have is that the first guild to do something used a shammy as a healer and now everyone follows that one walkthrough and never questions it. A shammy is more suited in front, dealing damage, and healing when necessary. Just like a feral druid should be in cat form, and a balance druid in moonkin form.

Also, pallies suffer from the same problem as shammies, they are stuck in one role because someone arbitrarely decided that pallies were buff/heal only. So I see pallies wearing cloth in instances...

Go figure.

I like the way you think.
In an ideal world (of warcraft) I'd like it if our spec could decide our role in instances, as it should be in the nature of a hybrid. I spec enhancement, I go with the rogues and warriors and buff them with the improved melee totems I get from putting points into the talent trees, I also contibute to melee damage. If I spec elemental I'm with ranged dps buffing them with similar elemental totems I have points in and contribute to ranged dps with lightning spells. With restoration it's the same deal. I support and group with these classes well because I'm specced like them. I make up for the fact I don't do as much damage/healing as my group by the fact I buff them to do more damage, or help them sustain more damage, or just last longer.
But in practice this isn't how it works, because of shitty talents and missing/defunct totems. Maybe it was intended this way to a certain extent, that healing simply is the PVE role for shamans, but it wouldn't take too much to change this and there's no reason it wouldn't be for the better.

Look at our skills and trees. All three trees are littered with useless totem talents, the only two really useful ones being improved fire nova (good for pvp) and mana tide (in the restoration tree, hence our pigeonholing as healers). Half our totems themselves aren't even worth having on hotbars. Our only support fire totem is ice resistance (i'll avoid mentioning flametongue totem). We have a total of one support totem for casters aside from mana tide, and the difference that makes is so minute it's invisible in all except the longest endurance fights, where even then it probably isn't worth the bother of casting and recasting every minute and a bit. An obvious solution to this would be to fix mana spring and add another caster totem, such as a magic damage or healing effect buff totem, but as we've seen it takes a game company a long long time to get round to making changes to anyone. Not that I blame them for this, they do have a lot on their hands.

It's quite a vision that the hybrids should, as I'm sure it was intended*, play out more role than one in the game, even if it is a matter of speccing that way and only playing that one role, but our talent trees and skills are ameaturishly designed so as to make that impossible. Trying to get Blizz to change the class enough so that they might fulfill that maybe a little ambitious, so right now all the shaman community are pushing for is a fix for the resto tree. PVPers can keep elemental, enhancement for levelling if that's what it takes to just fix that tree and make us useful in raids.

*this much is clear from the armour sets the current 40 man instances give us: EF is resto, TS is elemental and AQ40s armour is enhancement

[zircon]

In terms of other things Shamans can do, I've found a few things.

* If you go the support route, a 1h/shield Shaman with appropriate Enhancement talents is very hard to kill, having more armor than any other healing class besides a Paladin (possibly MORE than a Paladin if they're using 2h). Survivability is key in PVP, and you guys have Nature's Swiftness to back you up. What's nice is that as opposed to a Holy/Disc Priest, a Druid, or a Paladin, you can ALSO push out a game winning burst of DPS with a shock or Chain Lightning, possibly augmented by things like TOEP/ZHC.

* If you go the Elemental route, I've seen and played with Shamans absolutely tear it up with massive CL/Shock damage. "Why not roll a Mage? Mages do it better." Because you guys ALSO can heal yourselves and others, as well as do melee damage when you're out of mana, and support your team at the same time.

* Regardless of what route you go, and even though you have some useless totems, you still have some really good ones. Windfury totem is amazingly powerful when you have Warriors using tier 1.5-2 epics like Bonereaver's Edge, Spinal Reaper, Drake Talon Cleaver, and Untamed Blade. One of my favorite AB tactics is to send 3 Warriors with such weapons, a Shaman, and one other person to the Blacksmith and just overpower them with massive melee dps. Grounding totem can make the difference if you only have one dispeller of sheeps, Earthbind owns WSG, your fire totems can break node capping (incredibly annoying in AB) OR bring Rogues/Druids out of stealth, and so on and so forth.

[luminaire23]

Also, pallies suffer from the same problem as shammies, they are stuck in one role because someone arbitrarely decided that pallies were buff/heal only. So I see pallies wearing cloth in instances...

Go figure.

What Blizzard did to Paladins was unforgivable to be sure. I loved it when Caydiem said(not in so many words) that Paladins were just priests in plate. She's such an idiot. There is still nothing stopping someone from walking away from a paladin in PvP.

[Miletus]

In terms of other things Shamans can do, I've found a few things.

* If you go the support route, a 1h/shield Shaman with appropriate Enhancement talents is very hard to kill, having more armor than any other healing class besides a Paladin (possibly MORE than a Paladin if they're using 2h). Survivability is key in PVP, and you guys have Nature's Swiftness to back you up. What's nice is that as opposed to a Holy/Disc Priest, a Druid, or a Paladin, you can ALSO push out a game winning burst of DPS with a shock or Chain Lightning, possibly augmented by things like TOEP/ZHC.

* If you go the Elemental route, I've seen and played with Shamans absolutely tear it up with massive CL/Shock damage. "Why not roll a Mage? Mages do it better." Because you guys ALSO can heal yourselves and others, as well as do melee damage when you're out of mana, and support your team at the same time.

* Regardless of what route you go, and even though you have some useless totems, you still have some really good ones. Windfury totem is amazingly powerful when you have Warriors using tier 1.5-2 epics like Bonereaver's Edge, Spinal Reaper, Drake Talon Cleaver, and Untamed Blade. One of my favorite AB tactics is to send 3 Warriors with such weapons, a Shaman, and one other person to the Blacksmith and just overpower them with massive melee dps. Grounding totem can make the difference if you only have one dispeller of sheeps, Earthbind owns WSG, your fire totems can break node capping (incredibly annoying in AB) OR bring Rogues/Druids out of stealth, and so on and so forth.

I'll have to admit my bias in this area, I avoid PVP like the plague. The plethora of 3 maps available to PVPers (well, 2 maps and one big stalemate) after the introduction of the battlegrounds that all but killed world PVP do get old after a while, and now everytime I see arathi basin or warsong gulch I tend to get tired very quickly. Hopefully we should see a ressurection of outdoor PVP as promised, but this is an irrelevant rant.

As tempting as it would be, I wouldn't buff PVE shamans at the cost of the PVPers, even if that means giving them the elemental tree and throwing away the vision of the PVE shammy as something other than a healer as described above. I don't doubt for a second that shammies have a great role in PVP, both in terms of their own power and their ability to support on the battlefield, but once again we are nothing if not a certain spec (in this case elemental). Enhancement is a nice idea, and we've all seem nice PVP videos out there of OMG INSAEN WF CRITZ (eg Creed) but those are just strung together montages of a few lucky moments (chance of WF is 20%, then add the chance of crit..).
EDIT: I'd disagree that survivability is the key in PVP.. it's a nice thing to have but the majority of the time you're a stones throw away from the nearest GY (dying can even work in your advantage for quick travel around the map and topping up mana)

Regardless of all that, our viability in PVP doesn't address concerns about our shortcomings in PVE, which is what is being called to be buffed.

[Miletus]

Also, pallies suffer from the same problem as shammies, they are stuck in one role because someone arbitrarely decided that pallies were buff/heal only. So I see pallies wearing cloth in instances...

Go figure.

What Blizzard did to Paladins was unforgivable to be sure. I loved it when Caydiem said(not in so many words) that Paladins were just priests in plate. She's such an idiot. There is still nothing stopping someone from walking away from a paladin in PvP.

Heh, this is true. Once you get past the initial hammer of justice pallies just aren't worth your time on the battlefield. Let me see... weak dps, almost impossible to kill without a big time commitment... very small minority know the heal button works on anything other than themselves... no snares left... time to run and get back to the battle.

[speculative]

I loved it when Caydiem said(not in so many words) that Paladins were just priests in plate.

Just as Warlocks are Mages in... well, still cloth I guess. :roll: ('Locks should dress in leather to match their Succubi :P )

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warlock&t=885675&p=1&tmp=1#post885675

I am still finding out how messed-up Blizz's plans for the Warlock/Pally were/are. At first, we were supposed to be the only two classes with mounts, which is what set us apart. Now, nothing does.

[zircon]

Paladins are, by far, the most effective combat healers in all of WoW. In AB in particular, they are a serious force to be reckoned with. I cannot tell you how many times a Paladin has completely turned the tide of an encounter in a PVP match.

[Miletus]

Paladins are, by far, the most effective combat healers in all of WoW. In AB in particular, they are a serious force to be reckoned with. I cannot tell you how many times a Paladin has completely turned the tide of an encounter in a PVP match.

Aye, put 2 loladins on the FC in WSG and you've got yourself a near invulnerable FC. Frustrating as hell to take down.

I can kinda understand paladins that don't want to heal in PVP though, considering it's their primary function in raiding seems a little boring to not be able to go on killing sprees in the battlegrounds. If they're specced that way anyway.

[BluPhlame]

Level?
22. This is my first character, so I'm still learning the intricacies of the game...or non-intricacies, judging from some of your comments.


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-warlock&t=885675&p=1&tmp=1#post885675
Even with my limited experience, I had to agree on some of the points made in that thread. The Warlock class seems to be much more DOT-focused than a debuff class, which is what I initally expected. I've heard some relate to it as a solo class, which is possible to a certain extent, I guess. I'm horrible at controlling my aggro, so a lot of my solo efforts inevitably end in corpse runs.

[Raenok]

Currently, I'm specing a Marksman/Survival Hunter. I'm curious to know as to how well that stacks up in PvP, PvE, and Instances. And it's very unlikely for me to change, for I like this combination.

[The Author]

Depends how far you invest in both trees...

[Raenok]

Depends how far you invest in both trees...

Say, all the way in Marksman, but only half through Survival.

[Arek the Absolute]

survival?
Dude, show me your build.

[mecca]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/29946

[Raenok]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/29946


Here's your problem....YOU LET HIM PLAY SOMETHING THAT RUINED A POSSIBLE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP. I swear, some women.....*ahem*...ANYWAYS...

Yeah, about my build:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunters/talents.html?1000000000000000510510300000000000000 000000000

As you can see, I have YET to place any points in Survival, but I plan to.

[speculative]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/29946

Lol... Nice find!

[OA]

well our server just opened the AQ gates and we grabbed what guildmates were online and hit the AQ20 instance.

While the atmosphere isn't as cool as ZG or BWL (my opinion of course), the fights are really fun and creative. We managed to take down the first three bosses and got the 4th to 18% before it got too late. The loot thus far has been really favoring druids, at least for new spells, and neck/ring items that warriors don't want. I want the upgraded renew real bad XD

Not sure when we plan on hitting the 40 man one. We'll probably alternate between it and MC nexus night every other week. We'd drop MC altogether, but some of the raid still needs T2 pants. :P

Anyways, I hope that the boss fights stay cool, they have been great so far.

[GeckoYamori]

We have yet to open the gates, most of the supplies have been donated already but there are a few left like Lean Wolf Steaks. I would give a shitload of that if I could only find the damn recipe.

[The Author]

If you are alliance, try feathermoon stronghold.

I would not know for horde.

[mecca]

We got to the first boss and got wiped consistantly (20 man) till most lost faith and left :(

Shame..I love the new instance - huge as a motherfucker :D

[GeckoYamori]

I play Horde mostly. The recipe can be gotten from a vendor. Unfortunately, the vendor happens to be a wandering caravan in the Desolace and the recipe is a limited supply of 1.

[Shonen Samurai]

Is anyone on Lothar? I need a guild so, so bad. I'm a 60 Human Rogue.

[Nat]

Currently, I'm specing a Marksman/Survival Hunter. I'm curious to know as to how well that stacks up in PvP, PvE, and Instances. And it's very unlikely for me to change, for I like this combination.


Marks/Surv is probably the overall best spec for hutners - Either the 5/31/15 build or the 31/20 build. For Surv spec 21/30 is the way to go. Marks is what you want for major dps in raids, and survival is the way to go for constant dps.

[OA]

We got to the first boss and got wiped consistantly (20 man) till most lost faith and left :(

Shame..I love the new instance - huge as a motherfucker :D


what we did for the first boss was have two-three tanks on them, and the casters keep moving around to avoid the silence effect. We were pretty heavy on healers so maybe that helped, the first boss hits really hard.

[Stalwart Jester]

Yeah. Kurinnaxx hits like a mofo. My guild and I went into AQ20 and got him down to 8% eventually before we gave up. =/ Problem that last run was 2 unlucky sandtraps in a row...wiped out our 2 other tanks. The mortal strike effect he dealt to our main tank reduced healing enough to kill him in the end, and after that...well, we bit it.

[zircon]

Some tips:

1. Use two or even three tanks. Have the offtanks build up aggro using just about every ability they have, but not quite all of them. This lets them stay high on the aggro meter. When the MT gets 4 or 5 debuffs, have him stop doing anything (except Shield Block) while one offtank begins taunting, sundering, and otherwise going all out. Keep this rotation going throughout the fight.

2. Have people spread out in a circle around the boss so at most only one or two people get hit with the sandtrap - not that they should anyway, since you can see it coming and avoid it with ease.

[mecca]

http://dall.no.sapo.pt/index.html

[Rodin]

The new test realms are out today! Most notable change of course being the priest love. However, there is another patch note that had me dancing with delight:

In order to preserve the challenge of these dungeons, they have had their instance caps lowered. Stratholme, Scholomance, and Blackrock Depths now allow a maximum of five players inside, and Blackrock Spire allows a maximum of ten.

I love it.

[Nat]

Although I'm way past these "end game" instances I'm sort of against cutting down the number of people allowed to go - I mean sure you don't have to wait forever to get into a 5 man scholo group to do a quest anymore, and are basically gaurenteed a set piece if it drops, but I will have to say that casuals will have a harder time 5 manning this stuff. At least on the bright side people can look forward to multiple mobs dropping their tier 0 set piece.

[speculative]

The new test realms are out today! Most notable change of course being the priest love. However, there is another patch note that had me dancing with delight:

In order to preserve the challenge of these dungeons, they have had their instance caps lowered. Stratholme, Scholomance, and Blackrock Depths now allow a maximum of five players inside, and Blackrock Spire allows a maximum of ten.

I love it.

Interesting... I might have to stick around until after the next patch. Of course, I'm already sick of these instances, so I don't know how much that will affect me...

[OA]

I'm for the reduced caps. I can finally finish my scholo quests because we will be 5 manning. Sortof sad that our raid is working on nef and i don't even have my major mana potion recipie. :P

[CE]

http://dall.no.sapo.pt/index.html

Hey! www.sapo.pt is a portuguese website and Sapo is a internet provider!

Nice.

[Rodin]

I'm not sure about the Priest changes. Okay, a lot of them are really good. But the new talent trees seem sloppily put together - for example, only 4 points on the third level of one of the trees, forcing you to drop back a level in order to advance. Further, some of the new talents are extremely bugged, like the healing from a critical that can be instantly overwritten (getting your 15% health regen from an 1800 Aimed shot crit overwritten by a 15% health regen from the pet's 150 damage melee crit).

And lightwell is loltastic. If it didn't break on damage, or have such an insane cooldown, it would be useful. As it is, I'm STILL not getting any 31-point talents on my holy priest.

[mecca]

An hour an a half I spent organising a PUG for Zul Gurub.

Before you say it - stfu and listen.

Logically, it should work - everyone is lv60, and is bound to have enough decent blues to be able to compete, logically anyway. Our MT's were kitted out in full Wrath, but we STILL couldn't beat that priest with the secondary boss and the two elite tigers guarding them.

What the fuck gives? LOGICALLY it should work, right? What makes a guild raid so much more efficient? Purely the fact that everyone listens to the leader? What else could there be?

The raid fell apart after two wipes. Wankers.

[MrBogus]

A question or two from an outsider:

Do you guys consider yourself addicted to WoW?

Regardless of your answer to the previous question, how many hours do you spend per day/week on WoW?

[Skilless]

An hour an a half I spent organising a PUG for Zul Gurub.

Before you say it - stfu and listen.

Logically, it should work - everyone is lv60, and is bound to have enough decent blues to be able to compete, logically anyway. Our MT's were kitted out in full Wrath, but we STILL couldn't beat that priest with the secondary boss and the two elite tigers guarding them.

What the fuck gives? LOGICALLY it should work, right? What makes a guild raid so much more efficient? Purely the fact that everyone listens to the leader? What else could there be?

The raid fell apart after two wipes. Wankers.

Lol at that waste of time. PUG groups cant work together as say, a guild with vent. Also, playing together alot helps you learn eachothers play stile thus helping you even more in conquoring the bosses.

On a side note - My guild went to MC the other day. We killed Luci, then Mag (which we have done before) then we tried Gehennas for the first time, wiped then killed him on the second try. We went to Garr and wiped agian, then killed him on the second wipe. Gehennas and Garr were both 1st time every tries for everyone and we were able to kill them. That made me pretty happy. I know a few guilds who took forever to kill Garr and we killed him 2nd try.

On another side note - Our Main Tank uses Bloodcaller LOL

[mecca]

I'm so hopelessly addicted.

Let me sum up WoW (and probably any other MMO) for you:

Get weapons
Get armour
Go to higher level area to get better weapons and armour
Get weapons
Get armour
Go to higher level area to get better weapons and armour
Repeat.

WHY DOES THIS SCOURGE ME SO?!

[Rodin]

A question or two from an outsider:

Do you guys consider yourself addicted to WoW?

Regardless of your answer to the previous question, how many hours do you spend per day/week on WoW?

No.

It depends - last week, I spent 0 hours per day all week. This week, I've spent about 15-20 so far.

However, this is not to say that I'm doing the usual "play MMO all day". I play video games all day ANYWAY, so WoW is just a different game to be playing.

So far, I've canceled my account twice. Once I came back due to the Hunter patch, and I came back the second time in order to roll a new priest with which to play with a buddy of mine.

WoW is fun, and can be addicting. But overly addicting? Nah.

What the fuck gives? LOGICALLY it should work, right? What makes a guild raid so much more efficient? Purely the fact that everyone listens to the leader? What else could there be?

A guild raid doesn't work better than a PuG. However, 15-20 wipes down the road, they know how to do the boss and can work together to beat him every time. It's all about practice, and a PuG can never get that by it's very nature.

[Stalwart Jester]

I'm so hopelessly addicted.

Let me sum up WoW (and probably any other MMO) for you:

Get weapons
Get armour
Go to higher level area to get better weapons and armour
Get weapons
Get armour
Go to higher level area to get better weapons and armour
Repeat.

WHY DOES THIS SCOURGE ME SO?!

For me, it's a little different.

Get Weapons
Get Armor
Go to high-level area to get better weapons and armor
Beat up alliance and duel friends to have fun
Repeat

That sums it up for me. It's so sickeningly satisfying seeing a Night Elf die. Especially the priests.

F'ing priests.

((This is Shinji XJ, by the way. I changed my name after a little thought.))

[OA]

hell, i'm on the alliance and I like seeing night elves die too. >_>

[mecca]

hell, i'm on the alliance and I like seeing night elves die too. >_>

Huuh...NRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOO

[Arek the Absolute]

Switched realms back to alliance....

Realm: Cho'Gall
Character: Gryph
Class: Hunter

[Stalwart Jester]

hell, i'm on the alliance and I like seeing night elves die too. >_>

Huuh...NRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOO

Hee, death noises. :roll:

EDIT: On a sidenote, new tier .5 rogue set looks FTW. Even though this pic doesn't have the new helmet with it.

http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/1597/darkmantle2as.jpg

[speculative]

A question or two from an outsider:

Do you guys consider yourself addicted to WoW?

Regardless of your answer to the previous question, how many hours do you spend per day/week on WoW?

Well, my account just ran out. I would say when I was playing I would spend 20-25 hours per week playing. This left no time for other games, or other pursuits really. I'm seriously thinking about not signing up again. I would say WoW is addicting because it makes you do things in a game that you would never do in a single-player game. For example, when you play Super Mario Bros., do you enjoy letting Mario stand around by the flagpole for half an hour while hoping a 2nd player joins in? :roll: What if you had to run through 30 empty, pointless screens to reach the next play level? What if you couldn't play levels 5-8 at all unless a 2nd player joined in?

[mecca]

That rogue set looks fucking AWESOME.

Hahahaha. Shadowcraft zombies PH33R!

[Nat]

wow that .5 set looks horrible - basically sc with a hint of blue to it - and mecca coming from piss poor experiences with battleground pugs what makes you think a pug group would be any better raiding an instance? Logic was against you, not for you from your example. From your zg experience from now on just think to yourself; gear does NOT equal skill.

[mecca]

mecca coming from piss poor experiences with battleground pugs what makes you think a pug group would be any better raiding an instance?

Artificial Vs. Human intelligence I guess..always thought it would be much easier to down NPC's :)

[Nat]

You have to take in consideration that ZG is considered the stepping stone from MC to BWL, anyone who knows anything will tell you that, considering one of the bosses in ZG (Jin'do being the hardest) is easily MC status, which is probably why he is an optional boss.

[mecca]

I'm such a warcraft noob..my endgame life hasnt even begun yet..I'm in a bit of a rut right now between twinked lv39 WSG and grinding constantly in Tyrs Hand (if you know any other nice gold-farming spots please tell me).

BWL sounds evil as fuck, and I've only just went on my first MC trash mob run like an hour ago :) So I've still only lightly touched on AQ and ZG, but I'm excited as to see how badass Ony, Rag, and all those evil bastids in BWL are :)

[mecca]

So..Grinding spots? Where do you farm gold when the chips are low?

[GeckoYamori]

I import alliance pets and sell them in horde AH for astronomical amounts, but you can't do that on PvP servers unless you have a friend on the opposite faction.

[speculative]

I wonder what would happen if people poured all the time, effort, and money into the real economy that gets dumped into the WoW economy? :?:

[Nat]

hmm farming...I really don't farm for gold anymore since I got my epic mount way back, but when I did I soloed the elite dragonkin in burning steppes - they usually dropped about 15-20 silver per kill, and was a very quiet place to grind, not to mention the 1 gold vendor trash and greens they dropped on me.



I gave tyr's hand a shot but its a known hotspot for both chinese farmers and regular players so the competition gets stiff, yet burning steppes yields everything from tyr's minus runecloth and other humanoid drops such as darkmoon cards, which doesn't bother me at all. But if you have a few hundred gold lying around the smartest thing to do is to play the auction house - it's the quickest and easiest way to make money fast.



Professions are also a crucial part to making gold. The number one profession in making gold is enchanting; its not the actual enchanting that makes the money, but the materials that you get from disenchanting items that are used for enchanting. I would say alchemy is second behind enchanting, but you either have to couple that profession with herbalism or buy up all your materials to level it up.

[Rodin]

I wonder what would happen if people poured all the time, effort, and money into the real economy that gets dumped into the WoW economy? :?:

It's called "a job".

[Raenok]

That was fun.

Me and some other guys decided to go through Shadowfang Keep 2 times out of boredom, xp, and useful items. In these runs, our Mage recived Feline Mantle, Odo's Ley Staff, Belt of Arugal, and Robes of Arugal, all blue items. Damn right he was grinning from ear to ear.

[Stalwart Jester]

Farming...farming...

Well, the place I farm the most is the plaguelands. Specefically Tyr's Hand in the Eatern part...surprisingly...there's usually 0 people there. The times I have went, I've always been alone. Always. The mobs are mine to pwn. Occasionally I visit the tower south of Hearthglen in the Western Plagues...the spellbinders there sometimes drop the fabled Crusader enchant recipe. Sells for hundreds of gold on the AH's.

Thing is, I don't have the patience to farm. So I'm broke no matter WHAT I do.

EDIT:

That was fun.

Me and some other guys decided to go through Shadowfang Keep 2 times out of boredom, xp, and useful items. In these runs, our Mage recived Feline Mantle, Odo's Ley Staff, Belt of Arugal, and Robes of Arugal, all blue items. Damn right he was grinning from ear to ear.

For someone of appropriate level, he just went from casual to complete and total ownage. Serious, yo.

[mecca]

Apparently Silithus is good too..I'll have to check that out.

Saving for my Epic mount now..got 140g so far \o/

Care to give a few tips on 'playing the AH'?

[zircon]

Here's a tip. Items from Zul'Gurub often go for a whole lot of money. What you can do is get a team of 5 people and go in there by yourself (you need a healer and 2 mages, preferably). Enter the instance, hug the right and go in the water. Kill any fish on your way, drop down the waterfall, and then swim around the shores of the instance killing the packs of crocodiles. The crocodiles are very weak (can be AOE'd) and have as much chance of dropping coins and bijous as any other mob. You can even try to make your way to the tiger area where there are like 40 non-elite mobs.

On my server, you could sell coins for 10g each and bijous for 40-80g. Bijous have something like a 5% chance of dropping and coins about 20-25%. So it's really easy money.

[Arek the Absolute]

wifi in molten core makes for a very angry guild

[Nat]

mecca I wouldn't call silithus a viable farming spot for other than runecloth and cenarion circle rep...elites are what you want to farm not normal mobs. Im not sure what class you are but if you really wanted to make an okay amount of money you could take up enchanting and farm lower level instances for blues; again depending on your class it will either be very easy or very hard - me being a hunter makes doing it a cakewalk.

And zircon selling coin/bijous could work for the time being...the recent patch changed zg quite a bit, you can get a very nice sum of bijous and coins (40-50 coins 25-30 bijous) per run which in turn will demolish the AH prices in a matter of a few months. You also have to understand that there are a limited amount of crocs around, so bad luck may occur with the drops...I personally would use the bijous for rep with them but if you are trying to make money go for it.


The big thing about playing the AH is having funds to begin with - you need money to make money. Other than that look for deals on items that usually go for alot. An example of mine would be that Fordors Compendium of Dragon Slaying, a book that usually goes for 2000+ gold going for 700 due to the current weather of the market - buy it, save it for a week or 2 then throw it back up at full price and boom 1300 gold in the black.

[zircon]

Using those things for rep is not worth it. In a normal ZG run you get thousands of rep anyway so it's really easy to get to at least Revered now. 20 bijous = about 1k rep, would you rather have the equivalent of 2-2.5 hrs of ZG clearing or up to 1k gold? I'll take the gold.

[Nat]

all depends on the situation...as for me zg runs are far and inbetween due to AQ progession - and at 3281/21000 I can use all the bijous I can take..and besides those prices vary from server to server, not to mention having to split the bijous with the group you do it with...and when I hit 15k my guild pays me through exalted so its not that big of a deal.

[mecca]

I tried the elite dragonkin outside BRD..have to say it's not as fun as Tyrs, which has had my concentration for easily the past week (I never leave IF or EPL anymore..just farm with main and WSG with tweaked alt).

Really wish my guild wasnt so fucking big so I could get in on the raid action..so sick of these blues, and my heartseeker // tribal guardian are starting to bore me.

[Stalwart Jester]

...and my heartseeker // tribal guardian are starting to bore me.

I told you so. :lol:

[mecca]

...and my heartseeker // tribal guardian are starting to bore me.

I told you so. :lol:

Jog my memory please kthx

[mecca]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/10/AR2006031001934_2.html

[[deltree]]

http://www.yikers.com/video_dude_gets_caught_jerking_off_to_world_of_war craft.html

Night Elf girls are hot.

[SilverStar]

Hey, just something I saw over at another place and thought might be interesting for here.

http://infernix.net/wowban/

Someone was banned for using a Logitech gaming keyboard that has a macro feature, even though it(apparently) isn't against the ToS or AuP. Personally, since I don't play the game, I don't know what the ToS actually says, but figured it would just be good for some conversation.

[speculative]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/10/AR2006031001934_2.html


"Maybe it's not a very good escape from the real world, playing a game online and dealing with a bunch of other people," says Andrews. "It's like escaping the real world and finding what you don't like about it... in the online world."

This is why since I've cancelled my account and have begun to play through M&M again, life is good. 8)

[Stalwart Jester]

...and my heartseeker // tribal guardian are starting to bore me.

I told you so. :lol:

Jog my memory please kthx

Joggage initiated.

Mecca, you'll learn to love that dagger, heheh, but I remind you...it won't be so effective come level 60...facing things equal your level will make you yearn for something better, whether it be a Lobotomizer, a Gutgore Ripper...anything.

[Nat]

Heartseeker was nice back in the day (one of the best) but now its pretty bad lol...just got got a core hound tooth tonite! I wanted either that or fang of the faceless but it just didn't want to drop.

[luminaire23]

So, I guess today is the long-anticipated(at least for me) patch 1.10. I personally can't wait to see how my priest plays when specced Holy/Disc. I'm also very interested in the ".5" epics(why they're called that is beyond me.They're more viable for PvP than most of the MC sets imho). It's good to see Blizz is finally taking notice of the non-raiders. :)

[The Author]

So, I guess today is the long-anticipated(at least for me) patch 1.10. I personally can't wait to see how my priest plays when specced Holy/Disc. I'm also very interested in the ".5" epics(why they're called that is beyond me.They're more viable for PvP than most of the MC sets imho). It's good to see Blizz is finally taking notice of the non-raiders. :)

You have your blue set (tier 0)

You have your Tier 1 set (Molten core exclusive.)

You have Tier 2 set (Onyxia, MC, and BWL)


You will have .5 (better than 0 but under tier 1)

You also have the Quest sets, ZG blues+purple (a .75 set if you ask me because of the lesser number of pieces)

And the AC 20 quest set (1.25 IMHO)

And probably a AC 40 set (either 1.75 or 2.25)

The next real set (tier 3) will come most likely in burning Crusade, with the level 70 cap. Tier 3 will be a 70 blue thing, Tier 4 will be 70 purple, and tier 5 will be 70 orange.

It is believed that tier 5 will look like a gundam wing mech armor and will include +str for every class except pally and warriors, +spirit for every class except priest, +agi for every class (especially hunters) except rogues, +stam for every class except warlocks, and +arcane damage for shammies only. This will be called the "statistical normalisation project."

By then, pallies will be wearing Uberplate, shammies will be dualwielding 2 handed weapons, warlocks will have a permanent fear aura, priests will have a constant damage reduction shield lowering any damage taken by 200 (400 on crits) and rogues will no longer unstealth when someone casts a spell 3 zones away.

Obviously, such a buff to rogues will cause them to only wear cloth, and to depend on dex for HP, Stam for armor, Str for energy, and spirit for crit rate. Intel will, as usual, be useless for rogues. This means taht every item in the rogue sets will have +int.

A new 80 player cap will be put on raids. Drop rates will be decreased accordingly.

The latest Dungeon: The Temporal Overusage Cavern will require a quest chain available starting at level 1 and will be part of a character's whole history. Doing the level 1 part will offer the Alliance their first ever level 1 green. The horde will gain a level 1 purple set dubbed "Tier Fairness."

These quests will not be available to anyone over level 2, so sucks to be them.

[zircon]

Tier 3 is Ahn'Qiraj.

[luminaire23]

Actually, the next tier after AQ40 should be Naxxramas(coming in 1.11, I believe) Fortunately, Blizzard said that they're done with 40-mans for a while after this next one(thank goodness). If you've noticed, all the high-level Burning Crusade instances previewed so far have been 5-10 man, which is very good news indeed. Even Naxx is rumored to have 5,10, or 20 man portions to it as well.

[The Author]

You with your facts ruining my joke...

Ok, so I haven't been paying that much attention to WoW nowadays... sue me.

[luminaire23]

Oh, sorry. Was early in the morning and I guess I missed the humor. :-) Realms are still down... boo. Although, I suppose it's better that we're able to disenchant cloth this time around before activating the servers. lol

[zircon]

Aside from billing you, Blizzard appears to be incapable of doing anything on time.

[DropZero2000]

I've been waiting since 2 PM. Saw the message blizzard posted, so decided to do some reading for English. Once 3:55 came around, I looked over some quests on thottbot and the instance I'm gonna do tonight. And I've been refreshing the realm list every minute.

Blizzard makes me cry. *tear*

[Murmeli Walan]

Is it just me, or is it taking forever for patches to download? I started downloading the 1.10 patch an hour and 20 minutes ago, and I'm only at 11 percent. My roommate started at the same time, and he isn't even past 5 percent.

Granted, I am behind the ZoneAlarm firewall, but it still shouldn't be taking this long.

Edit: Ah, here we go. I was just being impatient. Well, I could delete this post, but instead I'll ask another question that probably everyone asks.

Anyone here play on my server? I'm on Earthen Ring.

[Stalwart Jester]

After months of playing, being level 60, occasionally running MC and BWL...

...I'm rather tired of this game. Sure, it was addicting for a while...but...it's just so BORING now. Doing the same damn instances all the time...and not making any PVP progress because of well-organized, PVP-epic'd alliance "A-Teams" ruling the damn battlegrounds, and horde's unorganized level 60ers...

Meh. I decided I'm gonna drop this...it's just not worth the bloody trouble anymore. Auto Assault however, looks very very, very very very fun. Plays as such too ((playing the free preview)). It's a little buggy (lol, vehicle pun), but I can work with it. It's a nice change from Warcraft at the very least.

[Nat]

zircon, AQ gear is NOT I repeat NOT considered tier 3...not by a long shot, especially considering the sets are 5 piece and not 8. As a end game raider many people have complained that blizzard dropped the ball on this instance - sure it has its cool parts, but the risk vs reward is too great for the minimal upgrages - which is considered more of a sidegrade to many (including myself). Sure it has it's standout items, but thats something seen in every instance.



The itemization was also poorly done - its not fun having to run a mid 40's instance for a level 60 instnace...no nature resistance gear no dead huhuran. Not to mention that a third of the bosses were bugged (2 optional ones and the last boss)up until todays patch (at least I hope so) so that didn't help either...



To add more issues AQ 20 is a joke as well - it doesn't hold a candle to ZG in terms of both size and content. Here's hoping that Naxxramas will end as a pre expansion 40 man that was executed well.

[[deltree]]

^^^ Holy crap! A 2002 lurker rare spawn! Hope you drop something good!

+Combat

[Nat]

Due to a gamebreaking bug I double sand blast you for 3483 and 4828. (Few will get the joke that most won't.)


-Combat

[luminaire23]

Just respecced Holy(which I love) and was halfway through the "new" Scholo when Blizz announces that it's going to shut the server down... hooray...

[SleazyC]

Due to a gamebreaking bug I double sand blast you for 3483 and 4828. (Few will get the joke that most won't.)


-Combat
Tremors ftw!

How about the double tentacle spawnage ftw!

[zircon]

zircon, AQ gear is NOT I repeat NOT considered tier 3...not by a long shot, especially considering the sets are 5 piece and not 8. As a end game raider many people have complained that blizzard dropped the ball on this instance - sure it has its cool parts, but the risk vs reward is too great for the minimal upgrages - which is considered more of a sidegrade to many (including myself). Sure it has it's standout items, but thats something seen in every instance.

Actually, tier1->tier2 could barely be considered an ugprade if you want to look at it that way. Many Shamans prefer Earthfury over Ten Storms for PVE, for example. I see rogues using their Nightslayer set rather than Bloodfang sometimes as well, and I myself see little reason to spend all my points on Transcendence when I can get UBER upgrades like Pure Blementium Band, Rejuvinating Gem, etc. In comparison, however, the sets in AQ are VERY good. Neither Prophecy nor Transcendence even holds a candle to Oracle, in my opinion.

[SleazyC]

Actually, tier1->tier2 could barely be considered an ugprade if you want to look at it that way. Many Shamans prefer Earthfury over Ten Storms for PVE, for example. I see rogues using their Nightslayer set rather than Bloodfang sometimes as well, and I myself see little reason to spend all my points on Transcendence when I can get UBER upgrades like Pure Blementium Band, Rejuvinating Gem, etc. In comparison, however, the sets in AQ are VERY good. Neither Prophecy nor Transcendence even holds a candle to Oracle, in my opinion.
Most of the AQ40 sets are far from PVE oriented.

Look at Conquerer's, its a DPS warriors wet dream. As far as most rogues wearing NS over Bloodfang thats mainly due to the fact that wearing 5 pieces of NS gives you +10 energy which is extremely nice for PVP. Bloodfang is not by any means a bad set but many rogues value that +10 energy that 5 pieces of NS gives you. Myself I am collecting BF due to the PVE 5 set bonus that increases the effectivness of feint. AQ40 can be compared as a parallel instance to BWL (although the bosses past Huhu are probably tougher then the comparable battles in BWL) and with Ouro and C'thun being bugged (although that might have changed with 1.10) most guilds have been having a hard time finding reasons to go into AQ40.

[The Author]

zircon, AQ gear is NOT I repeat NOT considered tier 3...not by a long shot, especially considering the sets are 5 piece and not 8. As a end game raider many people have complained that blizzard dropped the ball on this instance - sure it has its cool parts, but the risk vs reward is too great for the minimal upgrages - which is considered more of a sidegrade to many (including myself). Sure it has it's standout items, but thats something seen in every instance.

Actually, tier1->tier2 could barely be considered an ugprade if you want to look at it that way. Many Shamans prefer Earthfury over Ten Storms for PVE, for example. I see rogues using their Nightslayer set rather than Bloodfang sometimes as well, and I myself see little reason to spend all my points on Transcendence when I can get UBER upgrades like Pure Blementium Band, Rejuvinating Gem, etc. In comparison, however, the sets in AQ are VERY good. Neither Prophecy nor Transcendence even holds a candle to Oracle, in my opinion.

Stat wise, tier 2 is slightly superior... bonus wise, it's all about style of play. I can easily see a build around nightslayer working better. I loved bloodfang because of my overall perception... with the bloodfang set bonus, I would have had 3 or 4 sources of health triggered by hitting... being a SS/bladefury oriented rogue, that meant significant healing (with a simple lifestealing/darkmoon card heroism combo, I was the first non-healer on the healing meter...). I was gonna do the mainhand crusader, off hand agility or life stealing, darkmoon card heroism and bloodfang bonus... I kinda wish I could have seen it to see the healing/endurance added in...

[zircon]

I've done the first two fights of AQ40 (NOT Sartura). Very good items overall from there, no reason not to do it imo.

[xinster]

how the FUCK are they going to kill eye of c'thun?

[SleazyC]

I've done the first two fights of AQ40 (NOT Sartura). Very good items overall from there, no reason not to do it imo.
Wait till you see the trash past Huhu (and no I have not been at the helm of a character during the trash but I do happen to live right next to someone who is in a raiding guild on Mannoroth and have seen how "fun" it is)

[zircon]

I think only one guild on my server (Horde, anyway) has killed Huhuran. Our raiding guilds are not in good shape atm, and the gate only opened recently.

[SleazyC]

No doubt the instance will be fun for some guilds that have been running BWL and MC for months but as Nat stated the loot to risk of the later bosses is pretty pathetic (baring the killing of C'thun and Ouro that is). Just take a look at Viscidious. When Death and Taxes first downed him he dropped some crappy shaman NR legs and less gold then some MC bosses.

[Nat]

Sleasy basically told you what I was going to tell you about the sets zircon - they may be slightly better stat wise but as you can see they lose resistances in the transition - but again I see the AQ set as a sidegrade...I know a few rouges you use the 5 piece because its so beneficial...but thats about the only time you'll see somone using more tier 1 than tier 2 gear equipped if avaible to them.


With my guild currently being stuck on stage 2 of c'thun (like every other good guild due to him being buggy as all hell) the first stage is incredibly easy, what I like about it is that it tests the indiviual competence of a player as they have to be aware of their surroundings to survive.




After seeing c'thun's loot table I can say "thats nice" but its nothing comapred to seeing rag or nef's loot table - now that was awe inspiring. Hopfully C'thun will be downed in the next week or two, they nerfed him hardcore for what I heard...and yes the trash past huhu will own alot of guilds who thought they were hot stuff killing huhu till they run into that wall. Anyone who thinks they will get there I suggest that they run AQ 20 first to get a feel of what they will run up against.

[Bren]

Holy shit >.<

Me and some guildies did a 2nd attempt 45 minute baron run tonight...the first wasnt so successful, with 5 minutes left at the abominations. The most recent attempt, we got to the abominations with 13 minutes remaining...13 minutes! Everything was going perfect, until the black guards seemed delayed for some reason. I checked the gate to the Black Citadel to see if a mindless undead was left or something...then the damned gate closes on me and traps me inside! The black guards come out and my group handles them fine, but the gate doesnt open. They got into the Baron's room and BEAT THE TIMER! But the gate still didnt open and we didnt have a warlock. They had to engage him without me, and wiped...we beat the timer and lost because of a damn glitch :cry:

[Juicebox Dragon]

I don't play WoW anymore - I let my subscription run out soon after patch 1.9 (Pally Talents). I was tired of frustrating PvP and couldn't get into end game raiding, and I just decided not to renew. I've got a friend that still plays it, however, and he showed me this PvP Priest video. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737260276585568647&q=pvpriest&pl=true) I think once this video starts becoming popular, you'll see a lot more priests that attack more than they heal. It's the mentality of WoW players, I think. The Flavour of the Month class, so to speak.

P.S.: 3000 damage Smites.
P.S.S.: 4000 damage Holy Fire.

More liek 1-hit-kill-craft, am i rite?

[zircon]

Heh. That video is a bit misleading, but yeah, Priests are very cool now.

Reasons it is misleading; for one, the guy has full BWL/endgame gear. Every shot just about is him with his trinket up (+280 damage base), Power Infusion (+15%), a Flask of Supreme Power (over +100 damage base), sometimes another consumable buff, Berserking/AV Fury buff.. etc.

[xinster]

priests rape all orifices now.

[Juicebox Dragon]

Most videos are. But your average WoW junkie doesn't know that, so he'll see these numbers, and all of a sudden he'll either make a priest that won't see those numbers in a lifetime, or complain about it in the forums. If he's a Rogue or a Warrior, he'll do the latter.

[SleazyC]

The priest video was fantastic, but just like tons of other movies made to show off some crazy crits (naked rogue with worn daggers, Rank 14 warrior with tons of buffs, Mage/Lock with both now-defunct trinkts) 99% of the general WoW population will never see that kind of damage. Hell I was half-inclined to roll a priest after watching that but I'm too lazy to level another character to 60.

[zircon]

Yeah. There is no doubt about it that I can still kick MAJOR ass. With my dmg gear on (non-shadow) I can smite for 600-650 normal, 900-1k crits with no buffs and no trinket. I'm not even specced for Force of Will either (pumps up dmg by 5%) or PI. If I get PI, AV buff, pop my trinket, and use a battle standard I can get over 2k crits. The great part is I can then heal myself, shield, fear, etc!

[SleazyC]

I'm kicking myself that I forgot to hook up with you when the test realms came up zirc. Oh well it'll give me some time to get those final pieces from BWL before we get a chance to duel.

[Nat]

Sleazy what class are you? Im going to guess you're a rouge from your sig...whats your gear and setup?Personally movies (especially pvp movies)don't impress me 90 percent of the time, seeing its usually a fight between people in the mid 50's so the crits look harder then they'd be on a 60 just as geared out as them...but when there's a good video out they are dang good.

[zircon]

I'm kicking myself that I forgot to hook up with you when the test realms came up zirc. Oh well it'll give me some time to get those final pieces from BWL before we get a chance to duel.

You won't win. But you're welcome to try ;)

I don't have ANY BWL gear btw. Lame zero sum DKP system in my guild. If I did, I'd be truly unstoppable.

[suzumebachi]

zero sum?

anyways, i'm thinking of getting back into WoW. probably gonna go ahead and start a new char, since by now my old ones are rank 0 (i was rank 8 when i quit :() and i never had any good gear to begin with. so uhh, a few quick 'getting back into the game' questions:

1) is cosmos still the de-facto UI mod? if not, what else is good, and where can i get it?
2) where should i reroll?
3) when does the expansion come out?

[aragornx45]

I believe the expansion is expected for this fall/winter (probably right before Christmas). As far as WHERE to roll? Your guess is as good as mine. Unfortunately, one of the janitor's at Blizzard must've spilled coffee all over the servers because they are ALL having problems right now.

To get an idea idea, check out this link (http://wowsim.ytmnd.com/). or
this (http://ggnubgg.ytmnd.com/). or even this (http://realwow.ytmnd.com/). Regular players should get the joke.

Your best bet is to ask in a few server forums as to which are the most reliable. I play exclusively on Silvermoon because the majority of the people I know regularly play there and the lag is sporatic and aweful. I'm currently close to hitting rank 10 and yesterday the Battlegrounds were locking up at the end of the game, booting people, labeling them deserters and not giving them proper honor or tokens to boot.

However, the game is still VERY fun and addictive if you can put up with all the technical issues Blizzard has been throwing at us lately. I'd really suggest going horde if you're serious about starting over. Seems like all the decent and good players eventually all go that way. Really helpful and nice to have in terms of raids and battlegrounds.

[suzumebachi]

christmas? holy shit.. last i heard it was supposed to be out like late spring early summer.