World of Warcraft

[suzumebachi]

Orcs:

"Settled into Night Elf Lands, cutting down their forests, killing their demi-god." <-- under the influence of mannoroth, who was killed by those very same orcs btw, putting an end to the corruption.

"Still mostly controlled by Shadow Council which LIKED demonic possession." <-- umm.. no.

"STILL laying siege to Redridge, like, from the Second War." <-- Blackrock Clan != Horde

"Building bases uncomfortably close to Alliance areas, see Gromgol, Stonard, and Black Fathom Deeps." <-- so they like to spread out? what about the humans at theramore?

"Feel no remorse or pity for the slaughter during the blood curse." <-- lol k

"Claim to only want peace and fight in defense, but love to battle." <-- well duh, they're orcs.

Forsaken:

"Judge alliance by a non-member of the alliance (Scarlet Monastery)" <-- see? humans are evil.

"Actively seeking to poison mankind for no real reason." <-- because humans are evil

"Sought NO parley with the humans, just decided to be the Scourge with minds of their own." <-- i'm not sure what this even means

"Are relentlessly goth. (See low level Undead quest to gather Gloomweed. Herbalist turn-in NPC identifies them as daisies.)" <-- hey, emo kids play WoW too

"Work openly with demons that want to destroy the world." <-- also humans, gnomes, orcs.

"Work openly to poison non-humans too." <-- o rly?

"Are just giant dicks to begin with." <-- ya rly

Trolls:

"Most populus race in Azeroth, but has NEVER made an attempt to be at peace unless placed in great debt by an overwhemlingly powerful group." <-- for one thing, there's like 4 or 5 groups of trolls since the empire was split up. the island trolls (which are the ones that joined thrall) are relatively peaceful compared to their forest and desert brethren.

"Are even more giant dicks than the Forsaken, acting like its their victim's fault they can't regenerate the wounds inflicted by the Trolls." <-- lol pointless conjecture

"No real redeeming qualities at all really." <-- they like to kill dwarves

Tauren:

"Not too bad. Don't know why they're Druids really." <-- uhh, l2lore. the taurens were druids long before the night elves. they were the first race cenarius approached and taught the druidic ways.

"Oh wait, chastise Dwarves for being industrial, yet they ally with the Orcs who employ Goblins, and even have mining trainers and start with guns..." <-- let's see... dwarves for no apparent reason invade the tauren homeland and set up mining camps and start stripping their land of all it's natural resources...

"and even the Night Elves aren't THAT hypocritical." <-- lol

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Orcs:
Settled into Night Elf Lands, cutting down their forests, killing their demi-god.
Still mostly controlled by Shadow Council which LIKED demonic possession.
STILL laying siege to Redridge, like, from the Second War.
Building bases uncomfortably close to Alliance areas, see Gromgol, Stonard, and Black Fathom Deeps.
Feel no remorse or pity for the slaughter during the blood curse.
Claim to only want peace and fight in defense, but love to battle.

Forsaken:
Judge alliance by a non-member of the alliance (Scarlet Monastery)
Actively seeking to poison mankind for no real reason.
Sought NO parley with the humans, just decided to be the Scourge with minds of their own.
Are relentlessly goth. (See low level Undead quest to gather Gloomweed. Herbalist turn-in NPC identifies them as daisies.)
Work openly with demons that want to destroy the world.
Work openly to poison non-humans too.
Are just giant dicks to begin with.

Trolls:
Most populus race in Azeroth, but has NEVER made an attempt to be at peace unless placed in great debt by an overwhemlingly powerful group.
Are even more giant dicks than the Forsaken, acting like its their victim's fault they can't regenerate the wounds inflicted by the Trolls.
No real redeeming qualities at all really.

Tauren:
Not too bad. Don't know why they're Druids really.
Oh wait, chastise Dwarves for being industrial, yet they ally with the Orcs who employ Goblins, and even have mining trainers and start with guns, and even the Night Elves aren't THAT hypocritical.

I'd list the Alliance's greivances too, but nobody would listen to me then because I'd be looking at a debate equally from both sides. Someone react like I'm a troll and counter me, k?
know your lore before posting this kind of stuff lol

[Arek the Absolute]

Orcs:
Settled into Night Elf Lands, cutting down their forests, killing their demi-god.
Still mostly controlled by Shadow Council which LIKED demonic possession.
STILL laying siege to Redridge, like, from the Second War.
Building bases uncomfortably close to Alliance areas, see Gromgol, Stonard, and Black Fathom Deeps.
Feel no remorse or pity for the slaughter during the blood curse.
Claim to only want peace and fight in defense, but love to battle.

Forsaken:
Judge alliance by a non-member of the alliance (Scarlet Monastery)
Actively seeking to poison mankind for no real reason.
Sought NO parley with the humans, just decided to be the Scourge with minds of their own.
Are relentlessly goth. (See low level Undead quest to gather Gloomweed. Herbalist turn-in NPC identifies them as daisies.)
Work openly with demons that want to destroy the world.
Work openly to poison non-humans too.
Are just giant dicks to begin with.

Trolls:
Most populus race in Azeroth, but has NEVER made an attempt to be at peace unless placed in great debt by an overwhemlingly powerful group.
Are even more giant dicks than the Forsaken, acting like its their victim's fault they can't regenerate the wounds inflicted by the Trolls.
No real redeeming qualities at all really.

Tauren:
Not too bad. Don't know why they're Druids really.
Oh wait, chastise Dwarves for being industrial, yet they ally with the Orcs who employ Goblins, and even have mining trainers and start with guns, and even the Night Elves aren't THAT hypocritical.

I'd list the Alliance's greivances too, but nobody would listen to me then because I'd be looking at a debate equally from both sides. Someone react like I'm a troll and counter me, k?
aahahahahahahahahahhhahah

[Terrisare]

DISCLAIMER: this is not mine, I stole it from somewhere on the WoW forums awile back.


Anyone ever notice how the Night Elves, when faced with important, world-changing decisions, INEVITABLY make the wrong ones? If it weren't for Night Elves and their screwups, I'd be inclined to think Azeroth in general would be a much nicer place.

Mistake 1: Destroying the Scepter of the Shifting Sands

Bronze Dragonflight: "Now that we've finally sealed away the nemesis of all Azeroth, here's a scepter should you need to break the seal and fight them again."
Fandral: "WAAAHH!"
*breaks scepter*
Bronze Dragonflight: "You dumb f*cker."

Mistake 2: Destroying the Well of Eternity

Queen Azshara: "Blahaharrrgh, I'm addicted to magic!"
Night Elves: "Well I guess that's cool."
Queen Azshara: "Blahahaharrrgh, I'm summoning demons!"
Night Elves: "Ok, that's not so cool."
*Bigass War!*
Malfurion: "I've got an idea! Let's blow up the world!"
Tyrande: "Come on, that's your solution to everything."
Malfurion: "No it's not! By the way, hold this."
Tyrande: "Hey, this looks like a-"
KABLOOIE
Tyrande: "...dammit, Malfurion."

Mistake 3: Recreating the Well of Eternity, Then Leaving It There and Falling Asleep

Illidan: "Hey guys, now that we just got done blowing THAT up, I just made a new one!"
Night Elves: "You stupid f*cker."
Malfurion: "Illidan, you're under arrest for playing the devil rock music."
Illidan: "How wude!"
*SLAMMER'D!*
Malfurion: "Anyway, let's just plant a tree over top of this sucker and call it a day."
Tyrande: "Uh, what do you want us women to do, Mal honey?"
Malfurion: "You all stay awake and keep the stove warm in case we're hungry when we wake up. Oh, and don't go running off having fun with your friends or anything, I want you in the kitchen where you belong."
Tyrande: "But-"
Malfurion: "zzzzzzzzzzzz"
Tyrande: "Dammit."

Mistake 4: Staying Asleep

Orcs: "FOR THE HORDE! And also the Burning Legion!"
Night Elves: "zzzzzzzzz"
Undead: "For the lich king! Also, again, the Burning Legion!"
Night Elves: "zzzzzzSNRKzzzzz"

Mistake 5: Picking a Fight with the Orcs

Night Elves: "WTF?! Orcs cutting down our trees? Gettem!"
Cenarius: "I'LL take the case!"
*PWNT*
Night Elves: "WTF!!"
Grom Hellscream: [Orcish] kek

Mistake 6: Releasing Illidan

Tyrande: "We need help, gotta wake the druids up. Oh hey, Illidan! I'm sure 10,000 years of confinement has only rehabilitated him."
Illidan: "GROWLowlorarrrr"
Tyrande: "...although I could be wrong."
Illidan: "OOGHRARGHghhh!" *runs off*

Mistake 7: Blowing up the World, AGAIN

Medivh: "Quit fighting you nubs! Archimonde is coming!"
Night Elves: "Oh crap you're right. Too late now!"
Archimonde: "Bwahahahaha!"
Malfurion: "Hey, I've got an idea!"
Everyone: *groans*
KABLOOIE

Mistake 8: Stopping Illidan from killing the Lich King

Malfurion: "OMG! Illidan's doing something crazy to Northrend! Gotta stop him!"
Maiev: "I'm kookoo for catching Illidan!" *trips Tyrande*
Tyrande: "Aiiee!" *falls into river*
Malfurion and Illidan: "I'LL take the case!"
*rescue*
Illidan: "So you see, I was trying to DESTROY THE MOST POWERFUL EVIL BEING IN AZEROTH."
Malfurion: "Oh, uh..... my bad."

Mistake 9: Building a new World Tree

Fandral: "Man, I miss immortality. Let's make a new world tree!"
Malfurion: "I don't think that's a good-"
Fandral: "STFU nub."
*WORLD TREE'D!*
Fandral: "See? This place is great."
Malfurion: "I dunno, it smells kinda bad... and I think I just stepped in some ooze."
Fandral: "Yeah? Well if you don't like it, why don't you go get lost in the Emerald Dream for a few years?!"
Malfurion: "You know what?! I think I will!" *gets lost in the Emerald Dream*
Night Elves: *facepalm*
Rest of Alliance: "Remind me why we put up with these guys?"
Bronze Dragonflight: "Because you're all a bunch of dumb f*ckers."



Mistake: Trusting Arthas
Illidan: No one understands me. I'll show them I'm not addicted to magic. I can quit anytime I want. Just as soon as I get done crawling in my skin.
Arthas: Hi, I'm evil.
Illidan: Yar, we fight now!
Arthas: Hey, you're pretty good at this. I'm totally not holding back and flattering you or anything.
Illidan: You're right, I am pretty awesome.
Arthas: You know what would make you even more awesome? Consuming the powers of that there demonic artifact.
Illidan: Brilliant idea! I'm glad I thought of it.
Arthas: Oh, and when you get done with that, kill that Dreadlord what's responsible for keeping my boss, the Lich King, from getting out from under Kil'Jaeden's thumb.
Illidan: Sure thing buddy.
*Illidan takes skull, and transforms into a big friggen demon*
Illidan: Sweet!
Tichondrius: WTF HAX?
Illidan: Yar! I kill you!
Tichondrius: Blarg! I are dead!
Illidan: Yay! Now that I've turned myself into a big friggen demon, and killed this other big friggen demon, I've proved that I'm not demonic at all.
Tyrande: You stupid !&$%er.
Malfurion: GTFO!
Illidan: No one understands me!

Mistake: Trusting Kil'Jaeden
Kil'Jaeden: I'm hella pissed that you screwed us over.
Illidan: Oh noes!
Kil'Jaeden: But if you destroy the Lich King, we're cool. I'll also give you your heart's desire.
Illidan: Sweet! I'm just gonna assume that you mean magic, because Kil'Jaeden the deciever would never say anything that has a double meaning which will screw me over later.

Mistake: Hiding from from Kil'Jaeden in Outland
Illidan: Oh snap, I failed to kill the Lich King. If Kil'Jaeden finds me, I'm gonna get omgwtfpwned! I'd better hide. To do this, I shall flee from Azeroth, to which he has no access except by being summoned by absurdly powerful magics, the likes of which can only be cast by those who don't like him anyway, and instead going to Outland, which is basically his backyard.
Blood Elves and Naga: You are so smart!
Illidan: You understand me! Now lets beat up one of Kil'Jaeden's lieutenants and take over his fief. Kil'Jaeden will never be the wiser!
Magtheridon: WTF? Ow.
Illidan: Who da man? I da man!
Kil'Jaeden: No, I da man!
Illidan: Oh snap!
Kil'Jaeden: You're an idiot. Now get back to work.

Supplimentary Mistake: Leaving Illidan without adult supervision. Twice.


what was that about horde being evil and wrong?

[The wingless]

moreliek Blood Elf Paladins.

[Paladin-01]

I'm still asking for rebuttal, not "o rly"s.

"Under blood curse" does not mean "Free from any and all responsibility afterward".

And all the quests I keep doing involving the Shadow Council point that way.

Blackrock Clan was the CHIEF clan of the Horde. Orgim Doomhammer was leader of said clan.

Theramore was built because Lordaeron was kind of consumed in an undead plague and the humans were lost in a foreign land.

By "Works openly with demons", I meant the whole "Employs a Dreadlord", not "Has Warlocks".

According to the History of Trolls thing, the only people the trolls tolerated at any point were the Kaldorei. After the explosion it was all downhill. And even so the troll descriptor say they pretty much distrust anyone outside their immeadiate tribe, and still don't like the Forsaken.

C'mon, if I'm wrong, correct me. Don't just go "lol". I've been told too many good things about OCR to settle for that.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

DISCLAIMER: this is not mine, I stole it from somewhere on the WoW forums awile back.


Anyone ever notice how the Night Elves, when faced with important, world-changing decisions, INEVITABLY make the wrong ones? If it weren't for Night Elves and their screwups, I'd be inclined to think Azeroth in general would be a much nicer place.

Mistake 1: Destroying the Scepter of the Shifting Sands

Bronze Dragonflight: "Now that we've finally sealed away the nemesis of all Azeroth, here's a scepter should you need to break the seal and fight them again."
Fandral: "WAAAHH!"
*breaks scepter*
Bronze Dragonflight: "You dumb f*cker."

Mistake 2: Destroying the Well of Eternity

Queen Azshara: "Blahaharrrgh, I'm addicted to magic!"
Night Elves: "Well I guess that's cool."
Queen Azshara: "Blahahaharrrgh, I'm summoning demons!"
Night Elves: "Ok, that's not so cool."
*Bigass War!*
Malfurion: "I've got an idea! Let's blow up the world!"
Tyrande: "Come on, that's your solution to everything."
Malfurion: "No it's not! By the way, hold this."
Tyrande: "Hey, this looks like a-"
KABLOOIE
Tyrande: "...dammit, Malfurion."

Mistake 3: Recreating the Well of Eternity, Then Leaving It There and Falling Asleep

Illidan: "Hey guys, now that we just got done blowing THAT up, I just made a new one!"
Night Elves: "You stupid f*cker."
Malfurion: "Illidan, you're under arrest for playing the devil rock music."
Illidan: "How wude!"
*SLAMMER'D!*
Malfurion: "Anyway, let's just plant a tree over top of this sucker and call it a day."
Tyrande: "Uh, what do you want us women to do, Mal honey?"
Malfurion: "You all stay awake and keep the stove warm in case we're hungry when we wake up. Oh, and don't go running off having fun with your friends or anything, I want you in the kitchen where you belong."
Tyrande: "But-"
Malfurion: "zzzzzzzzzzzz"
Tyrande: "Dammit."

Mistake 4: Staying Asleep

Orcs: "FOR THE HORDE! And also the Burning Legion!"
Night Elves: "zzzzzzzzz"
Undead: "For the lich king! Also, again, the Burning Legion!"
Night Elves: "zzzzzzSNRKzzzzz"

Mistake 5: Picking a Fight with the Orcs

Night Elves: "WTF?! Orcs cutting down our trees? Gettem!"
Cenarius: "I'LL take the case!"
*PWNT*
Night Elves: "WTF!!"
Grom Hellscream: [Orcish] kek

Mistake 6: Releasing Illidan

Tyrande: "We need help, gotta wake the druids up. Oh hey, Illidan! I'm sure 10,000 years of confinement has only rehabilitated him."
Illidan: "GROWLowlorarrrr"
Tyrande: "...although I could be wrong."
Illidan: "OOGHRARGHghhh!" *runs off*

Mistake 7: Blowing up the World, AGAIN

Medivh: "Quit fighting you nubs! Archimonde is coming!"
Night Elves: "Oh crap you're right. Too late now!"
Archimonde: "Bwahahahaha!"
Malfurion: "Hey, I've got an idea!"
Everyone: *groans*
KABLOOIE

Mistake 8: Stopping Illidan from killing the Lich King

Malfurion: "OMG! Illidan's doing something crazy to Northrend! Gotta stop him!"
Maiev: "I'm kookoo for catching Illidan!" *trips Tyrande*
Tyrande: "Aiiee!" *falls into river*
Malfurion and Illidan: "I'LL take the case!"
*rescue*
Illidan: "So you see, I was trying to DESTROY THE MOST POWERFUL EVIL BEING IN AZEROTH."
Malfurion: "Oh, uh..... my bad."

Mistake 9: Building a new World Tree

Fandral: "Man, I miss immortality. Let's make a new world tree!"
Malfurion: "I don't think that's a good-"
Fandral: "STFU nub."
*WORLD TREE'D!*
Fandral: "See? This place is great."
Malfurion: "I dunno, it smells kinda bad... and I think I just stepped in some ooze."
Fandral: "Yeah? Well if you don't like it, why don't you go get lost in the Emerald Dream for a few years?!"
Malfurion: "You know what?! I think I will!" *gets lost in the Emerald Dream*
Night Elves: *facepalm*
Rest of Alliance: "Remind me why we put up with these guys?"
Bronze Dragonflight: "Because you're all a bunch of dumb f*ckers."



Mistake: Trusting Arthas
Illidan: No one understands me. I'll show them I'm not addicted to magic. I can quit anytime I want. Just as soon as I get done crawling in my skin.
Arthas: Hi, I'm evil.
Illidan: Yar, we fight now!
Arthas: Hey, you're pretty good at this. I'm totally not holding back and flattering you or anything.
Illidan: You're right, I am pretty awesome.
Arthas: You know what would make you even more awesome? Consuming the powers of that there demonic artifact.
Illidan: Brilliant idea! I'm glad I thought of it.
Arthas: Oh, and when you get done with that, kill that Dreadlord what's responsible for keeping my boss, the Lich King, from getting out from under Kil'Jaeden's thumb.
Illidan: Sure thing buddy.
*Illidan takes skull, and transforms into a big friggen demon*
Illidan: Sweet!
Tichondrius: WTF HAX?
Illidan: Yar! I kill you!
Tichondrius: Blarg! I are dead!
Illidan: Yay! Now that I've turned myself into a big friggen demon, and killed this other big friggen demon, I've proved that I'm not demonic at all.
Tyrande: You stupid !&$%er.
Malfurion: GTFO!
Illidan: No one understands me!

Mistake: Trusting Kil'Jaeden
Kil'Jaeden: I'm hella pissed that you screwed us over.
Illidan: Oh noes!
Kil'Jaeden: But if you destroy the Lich King, we're cool. I'll also give you your heart's desire.
Illidan: Sweet! I'm just gonna assume that you mean magic, because Kil'Jaeden the deciever would never say anything that has a double meaning which will screw me over later.

Mistake: Hiding from from Kil'Jaeden in Outland
Illidan: Oh snap, I failed to kill the Lich King. If Kil'Jaeden finds me, I'm gonna get omgwtfpwned! I'd better hide. To do this, I shall flee from Azeroth, to which he has no access except by being summoned by absurdly powerful magics, the likes of which can only be cast by those who don't like him anyway, and instead going to Outland, which is basically his backyard.
Blood Elves and Naga: You are so smart!
Illidan: You understand me! Now lets beat up one of Kil'Jaeden's lieutenants and take over his fief. Kil'Jaeden will never be the wiser!
Magtheridon: WTF? Ow.
Illidan: Who da man? I da man!
Kil'Jaeden: No, I da man!
Illidan: Oh snap!
Kil'Jaeden: You're an idiot. Now get back to work.

Supplimentary Mistake: Leaving Illidan without adult supervision. Twice.


what was that about horde being evil and wrong?

i roflmaoed.....

[suzumebachi]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Aedelas_Blackmoore

^ Why the Orcs have no pity for Humans.

[Scrobble]

i'm with shonen. this is gonna be cool as hell.

[Russell Cox]

I'm still asking for rebuttal, not "o rly"s.

"Under blood curse" does not mean "Free from any and all responsibility afterward".

And all the quests I keep doing involving the Shadow Council point that way.

Blackrock Clan was the CHIEF clan of the Horde. Orgim Doomhammer was leader of said clan.

Theramore was built because Lordaeron was kind of consumed in an undead plague and the humans were lost in a foreign land.

By "Works openly with demons", I meant the whole "Employs a Dreadlord", not "Has Warlocks".

According to the History of Trolls thing, the only people the trolls tolerated at any point were the Kaldorei. After the explosion it was all downhill. And even so the troll descriptor say they pretty much distrust anyone outside their immeadiate tribe, and still don't like the Forsaken.

C'mon, if I'm wrong, correct me. Don't just go "lol". I've been told too many good things about OCR to settle for that.

lol

[Shonen Samurai]

[Orcish] kek

[Call me Ktulu]

Thunderlord Server
Call me Ktulu
WoW name : Ktuhlu
Night Elf
Druid



8)

[Scufo]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

[Mr.Roboto]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

[Retard] durrr

[Bigfoot]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

Speaking of foreign wow languages, I think it's sad how people figured out how to actually make it so the opposite side can read an actual sentence from your language haha.

[Scufo]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

Speaking of foreign wow languages, I think it's sad how people figured out how to actually make it so the opposite side can read an actual sentence from your language haha.
[Common] U LO SE?

[Bigfoot]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

Speaking of foreign wow languages, I think it's sad how people figured out how to actually make it so the opposite side can read an actual sentence from your language haha.
[Common] U LO SE?

Kinda.


My friend had one that said NO KIL DOG

[OA]

I think the paladin/shaman news is sweet. I am not looking forward to fighting shaman in BG as a caster, but having a pally at my back would be sweet.

I actually made a paladin on the test server to see if it would be fun for me to play. They seem pretty simple, a few heals, lot of buffs, a ton of offense undead nonsese i'll never use. The one on the test server was super geared, so you could flash of light and heal 450 for 35 mana.

I only tried them out in AV, and it's hard to heal people in that mess, so maybe give WSG a shot so i can see everyone's health. I feel sortof helpless when i get ganged on, but all that armor (9k with a shield) makes me stay up quite a bit longer.

I think shamans will be going more offensive with the expansion, and i am excited to see what kinds of crazyness awaits.

[The Author]

Oh yeah, it's funny to only point out the advantages of the otehr faction.

You will realise that the alliance is just as annoying as horde...

Just the racial spells. With the exception of fear ward, our priest spells suck. "OMG reduce ranged attack damage by 15!"

Draining life and reducing foes damage as you reduce their attack power. Now there is a spell.

You also forget that the shammy can dish out DPS 10 times better than a pally.


And racial abilities: I can stop bleeding vs I can stop fear. I'll take number 2.

I can detect rogues VS I can stun everyone around, I'll take 2

I can escape a trap VS I can attack faster, I'll take 2...

See what I did there? The best hunter now is a troll marksmanship hunter. +5 to bows and a second "rapid shot".

The best rogues are undead or orc.

Best mage is troll

Best shadow priest is UD...

The list can go on. We have the pally, you have a hell of a lot more you don't see.

You're either stupid, or an Alliance retard trying to get a viewpoint: "OMG WE'RE NOT OVERPOWERED IN PVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME NO-SIR THAT FREE 36 MANA EVERY 5 SECONDS AND 59 MANA EVERYTIME YOU WAND, AS WELL AS DPS BEING ABLE TO GO HARDER AND TANK TRANSITIONS THREE TIMES EAISER DOESN'T MAKE IT EASIER VOTE FOR ME IN '07!"

First of all, like any good troll, you forgot to notice I listed abilities only, and only in a PvE aspect. Congratulations, since you were talking in a PvP aspect (which sounds like you suck at, considering you think Alliance's racials aren't good at all), so your entire post was a moot point. Grats!

Go back to making music.

If you pick two abilities and compare them even when they are in no way oriented for the same thing, you are sure to find imbalance.

I mean, hammer of wrath is much weaker than chain lightning.

However, blessing of wisdom is better than mana tide totem... except it does the job a lot quicker...


Your comparison are weak, mine were a parody. You responded seriously, I laughed.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Oh yeah, it's funny to only point out the advantages of the otehr faction.

You will realise that the alliance is just as annoying as horde...

Just the racial spells. With the exception of fear ward, our priest spells suck. "OMG reduce ranged attack damage by 15!"

Draining life and reducing foes damage as you reduce their attack power. Now there is a spell.

You also forget that the shammy can dish out DPS 10 times better than a pally.


And racial abilities: I can stop bleeding vs I can stop fear. I'll take number 2.

I can detect rogues VS I can stun everyone around, I'll take 2

I can escape a trap VS I can attack faster, I'll take 2...

See what I did there? The best hunter now is a troll marksmanship hunter. +5 to bows and a second "rapid shot".

The best rogues are undead or orc.

Best mage is troll

Best shadow priest is UD...

The list can go on. We have the pally, you have a hell of a lot more you don't see.

You're either stupid, or an Alliance retard trying to get a viewpoint: "OMG WE'RE NOT OVERPOWERED IN PVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME NO-SIR THAT FREE 36 MANA EVERY 5 SECONDS AND 59 MANA EVERYTIME YOU WAND, AS WELL AS DPS BEING ABLE TO GO HARDER AND TANK TRANSITIONS THREE TIMES EAISER DOESN'T MAKE IT EASIER VOTE FOR ME IN '07!"

First of all, like any good troll, you forgot to notice I listed abilities only, and only in a PvE aspect. Congratulations, since you were talking in a PvP aspect (which sounds like you suck at, considering you think Alliance's racials aren't good at all), so your entire post was a moot point. Grats!

Go back to making music.

If you pick two abilities and compare them even when they are in no way oriented for the same thing, you are sure to find imbalance.

I mean, hammer of wrath is much weaker than chain lightning.

However, blessing of wisdom is better than mana tide totem... except it does the job a lot quicker...


Your comparison are weak, mine were a parody. You responded seriously, I laughed.
harsh

[mecca]

So... Rogue talents! Anyone have an oppinion on them? TBH they seem pretty useless..1% chance to dodge a critical strike.. woo :roll:

[Bigfoot]

So... Rogue talents! Anyone have an oppinion on them? TBH they seem pretty useless..1% chance to dodge a critical strike.. woo :roll:

You'd be surprised how much 1% can make, honestly lol.

[The Xyco]

[Orcish] kek
[Common] bur

Speaking of foreign wow languages, I think it's sad how people figured out how to actually make it so the opposite side can read an actual sentence from your language haha.
[Common] U LO SE?

Kinda.


My friend had one that said NO KIL DOG
I was once waiting for the boat in Booty Bay when someone started shouting "NO KIL" "NO ANAL". Probably one of the funniest moments I've had in that game.

One of the more prominent horde warriors on my server also occasionally blasts through Nesingwary's Expedition shouting "N I G G A" repeatedly.

[Xaleph]

I seriously can't wait to die by dismounting my flying mount.

COME ON it'll be fun!

[The Author]

I cant wait to farm for 10 000 gold for a mount.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

pallys will get flying mounts free i hope

[suzumebachi]

pallys will get flying mounts free i hope

i doubt it, but it would be nice.

maybe a new flying form for druids? and hopefully something cool for shamans.

...now, i wonder what happens if you fall into the void? do you HAVE to use the spirit healer? somehow i fail to see a ghost jumping into the void to find his long lost corpse...

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

well...falling in the void will have to be something dumb....but i hope that thing where you get dismounted when dazed or slowed in some cases is removed...i woukld hate to find ppl ambushing you in mid-air and making yoiu fall in the void just for the heck of it

[mecca]

I cant wait to farm for 10 000 gold for a mount.

I love it when youkai starts my day with a hearty chuckle :)

[Russell Cox]

My friend had one that said NO KIL DOG

I was always a fan of [Common] LUV M E RU FF

[Quizzledorf]

man i think this is kinda weird that im on one of the more populated servers, Whisperwind, and nobody else from OCR is on it. if anyone decides to join my server, my name is Cornmuffin.

BOW TO MY DRUIDY GOODNESS!!!!!!

[Arek the Absolute]

I seriously can't wait to die by dismounting my flying mount.

COME ON it'll be fun!

As my friend said:
"I can't wait to get flying mounts. For the first couple of days that they are available, I am going to enjoy dismounting, turning on PoM, and polymorphing an enemy faction member, seeing them fall do their death. Ahahah. That is if they don't impliment flying sheep :("

[Bigfoot]

man i think this is kinda weird that im on one of the more populated servers, Whisperwind, and nobody else from OCR is on it. if anyone decides to join my server, my name is Cornmuffin.

BOW TO MY DRUIDY GOODNESS!!!!!!

Well, just look at how many servers there are in general. That'll explain why.

[suzumebachi]

we should try and keep a running list of who plays where. (there's one on the 1st page of this thread but it hasn't been updated in a while). (# denotes defunct or not recently updated)

[Archimonde] PvE?

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - "?" - Level ?? Tauren Something

[Alleria] PvE

+ Horde:
* Raenok - "Rexnuma" - Level 36 Orc Hunter
# Raenok - "?" - Level ?? Orc Shaman

[Balnazzar] PvP?

+ Alliance:
# GeckoYamori - "Geckoyamori" - Level ?? Night Elf Rogue

[Bleeding Hollow] PvP?

+ Horde:
# xinster - "Xinster" - Level ?? Undead Mage
# xinster - "Xinister" - Level ?? Tauren Druid
# xinster - "Xinlink" - Level ?? Undead Warlock
# xinster - "Androgenesis" - Level ?? Tauren Warrior
# xinster - "Popdog" - Level ?? Undead Priest
# xinster - "Xaeroth" - Level ?? Orc Hunter

[Bloodhoof] PvE?

+ Horde:
# Ethis - "Ethis"? - Level ?? Troll Hunter

[Bloodscalp] PvP

+ Alliance:
* Suzumebachi - "Lemmingway" - Level 22 Dwarf Priest
* Suzumebachi - Various alts

[Boulderfist] PvP

+ Horde:
* Cynical - "Tridius" - Level 51 Undead Warlock

[Darkspear] ??

+ Unknown:
# Beatdown - "?" - Level ?? Rogue

[Daggerspine] ??

+ Alliance:
# Tamwyn - "Deranus" - Level ?? Human Rogue

[Durotan] ??

+ Alliance
* xamgis - "Hailfly" - Level ?? Gnome Mage

[Earthen Ring] RP

+ Horde:
* SleazyC - "Meleganis" - Level 60 Undead Rogue

[Emerald Dream] EU PvE

+ Unknown:
* Mecca - "Mecca" - Level 60 Unknown Rogue

[Executus] PvP

+ Horde:
* Xyco - "Rashid" - Level 12 Rogue

[Frostmane] ??

+ Unknown:
* Blizihizake - "Blizihizake" - Unknown
* Blizihizake - "Roflesburger" - Unknown

[Frostmourne] ??

+ Horde:
# cheese-cube - "Rashaverak" - Level ?? Undead Mage

[Gorefiend] PvP

+ Horde:
* Suzumebachi - "Prophetus" - Level 60 Tauren Druid
* TaVeRnErO_RuDd - "Tavernerorud" - Level 60 Shaman
* Zircon - "Arendor" - Level 60 Undead Priest

[Gorgonnash] PvP

+ Alliance:
* TaVeRnErO_RuDd - "Tavernerorud" - Level 50 Paladin

[Gurubashi] ??

+ Horde:
* Sir Arek - "Mumbo" - Level ?? Troll Warrior

[Hakkar] PvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - "SquirrelBaby" - Level 60 Tauren Druid

[Illidan] PvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - "Solidok" - Level 18 Tauren Warrior
* Ramaniscence - "Solidus" - Level 8 Tauren Druid
* Ramaniscence - "Ramaniscence" - Level 1 Undead Priest

+ Unknown:
# RenoCovault - "Anaericus" - Unknown

[Kael'Thas] ??

+ Unknown:
# GroundTrooper1130 - "Icaerenus" - Unknown Mage

[Kalecgos] ??

+ Unknown:
# Blizihizake - "Blizihizake" - Unknown

[Khaz'goroth] ??

+ Alliance:
# TheRedBob - "Pyeikel" - Level ?? Night Elf Rogue

[Lightning Hoof] RPPvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - "Shabutie" - Level 11 Undead Priest

[Maelstrom] ??

+ Alliance:
# Slut - "Solitaire" - Level ?? Paladin
# Slut - "Kattara" - Unknown

[Shadow Council RP

+ Alliance:
* Raenok - "Briswald" - Level 3 (lol) Dwarf Paladin

[Shadowmoon] ??

+ Alliance:
# hamburgler - "Aristh" - Level ?? Human Paladin
# hamburgler - "Maya" - Level ?? Night Elf Druid

+ Horde:
# M1N1M3 - "Colrin" - Level ?? Tauren Hunter

[Silvermoon] ??

+ Alliance:
# AragornX45 - "Aragornx" - Level ?? Human Mage

[Smolderthorn] PvP

+ Horde:
# Snooper_1989 - "?" - Level ?? Troll Mage
# Suzumebachi - "Chuckster" - Level 60 Tauren Hunter (defunct)
* Suzumebachi - "Bino" - Level 60 Tauren Warrior
* U'Malik - "Ishallfreezu" - Level 60 Troll Mage (suzumebachi's brother's main)
* U'Malik - Various Alts

+ Alliance:
* Krispy - "Knives" - Level ?? Rogue

[Spinebreaker]

+ Horde:
# xamgis - "Screir" - Level ?? Troll Rogue

[Staghelm] ??

+ Unknown:
* Sporknight - "Malvolius" - Level 30 Unknown Warlock

[Steamwheedle Cartel] ??

+ Alliance:
* Kanthos - "Kanthos" - Level 53 Gnome Mage
* Kanthos - "Aquatic" - Level 10 Night Elf Druid

[Stormscale] PvP?

+ Horde:
* Russell Cox - "Viertel" - Level 60 Tauren Druid
* Russell Cox - "Russellius" - Level 60 Hunter
* Russell Cox - "Achtel" - Level 60 Mage

[Sylvanas] EU PvP

+ Unknown:
# Mecca - "Araj" - Level 30 Unknown Hunter

[Thunderlord] PvP

+ Alliance:
* Xyco - "Lapis" - Level 52 Hunter
* Xyco - "Aisen" - Level 16 Warrior

[Twisting Nether] RPPvP?

+ Alliance:
# DJBren - "Bugsi" - Level ?? Gnome Rogue
# Suzumebachi - "Mason" - Level 6 Human Paladin (defunct)
# Wingless - "True" - Unknown Warlock
# XxcastxX - "Virgil" - Level ?? Night Elf Hunter

[Ysera] PvE

+ Alliance:
* Shonen - "Ashenbra" - Level 60 Human Rogue



[No Server]

* OA - "Opeth" - Level 60 Horde Priest
* OA - "Darvus" - Level 60 Horde Mage

[Scufo]

Guess I might as well.

Server: Boulderfist (PvP)
Name: Tridius
Level 51 Undead Warlock

[Sporknight]

Malvolius:
Lvl 30 (but steadily rising) Warlock on Staghelm
Guild: Forever Knights

[Kanthos]

Kanthos: Level 53 gnome mage on Steamwheedle Cartel, officer of Order of the Bloodmoon.
Aquatic: Level 10 night elf druid, also on Steamwheedle Cartel and in Order of the Bloodmoon

[Ramaniscence]

we should try and keep a running list of who plays where. (there's one on the 1st page of this thread but it hasn't been updated in a while).

[Illidian] PvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - Solidok - Level 18 Tauren Warrior
* Ramaniscence - Solidus - Level 8 Tauren Druid
* Ramaniscence - Ramaniscence - Level 1 Undead Priest (probably not even gonna go anywhere...)


[Hakkar] PvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - SquirrelBaby - Level 60 Tauren Druid (Christine my asian girl gold farmer :o)

[Lightening Hoof] PvPvRP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - Shabutie - Level 11 Undead Priest (shared w/ Christine)

[Illidian] PvP

+ Horde:
* Ramaniscence - Solidus - Level 22 Troll Priest

Christine has a level 37 druid she's working on somewhere new now...not sure where :(. I need to kick that h0e off my shizzle already.

[mecca]

Mecca: Lv60 Rogue
Emerald Dream (EU PvE)

Araj: Lv30 Hunter
Sylvannus (EU PvP)

[Russell Cox]

Stormscale > Russell Cox > Viertel (60 Druid) > Horde > JUICE
Stormscale > Russell Cox > Russellius (60 Hunter) > Horde > JUICE
Stormscale > Russell Cox > Achtel (60 Mage) > Horde > JUICE

[The Xyco]

Server: Thunderlord (PvP)
Lapis > 52 Hunter > Alliance
Aisen > 16 Warrior > Alliance

Server: Executus (PvP)
Rashid > 12 Rogue > Horde

Be sure to identify me as "The Xyco" since I'll be going back to that username in August.

[OA]

PVE
Opeth > 60 priest > horde
Darvus > 60 mage > horde

no server info right now, i'll be transferring to a different PVE server as soon as I find one. We now have 1 horde guild who can kill nef as opposed to 11 (wtf) alliance guilds.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

Gorgonnash (PVP): Lvl 50 pally: tavernerorud

Gorefiend (PVP):Lvl 60 shammy: tavernerorud

[Shonen Samurai]

Ysera (PVE) - Ashenbra 60 Human Rogue

[SleazyC]

Earthen Ring (RP) > Meleganis (60 Rogue) > Horde > Warcry

[Raenok]

Alleria (PvE) :

Rexnuma - Level 36 Orc Hunter

Shadow Council (RP) :

Briswald - Level 3 Dwarf Paladin

[The Author]

Bloodscalp Alliance:

Jannael 60 rogue
Kaisalla 48 priest
Marah 45 Mage
Lassana 44 Hunter
Chihiro 31 Warlock.

[Quizzledorf]

Server: Whisperwind
Player Name: Cornmuffin
Faction: Alliance
Race: Night Elf
Class: Druid
Spec: Feral
Level:51
Guild: Silverblades

[Soma]

Lothar, Name's tragick.. 60 human paladin. Though i haven't played in months, i'll probably come back when the expansion hits.

[mecca]

Friend on my server made this movie:

link (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7170734078280837335&q=stormrage+eu)

Not your usual WoW movie, I assure you - fans of Weird Al should diggit ;)

[Shonen Samurai]

HAHHAHAHA.

The best part by far was the chatlog.

Great machinima.

[D-Lux]

Friend on my server made this movie:

link (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7170734078280837335&q=stormrage+eu)

Not your usual WoW movie, I assure you - fans of Weird Al should diggit ;)

I dig it.

Best part of that is the rockin' out undead.

[MaxFrost]

Aggramar

Alliance -
Karlitian - 60 Hunter
Krast - 55 warrior
Karundero - 26 rogue
Truls - 22 mage
and a bunch of other alts, but all are under lvl 20

[Caster13]

Friend on my server made this movie:

link (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7170734078280837335&q=stormrage+eu)

Not your usual WoW movie, I assure you - fans of Weird Al should diggit ;)

Oh. WOW. That was hilarious.

[MetalFantasy]

Friend on my server made this movie:

link (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7170734078280837335&q=stormrage+eu)

Not your usual WoW movie, I assure you - fans of Weird Al should diggit ;)


I've never played WoW and that was still hilarious.

[Arek the Absolute]

Hah, this is by far the stupidest idea Bliz has decided.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=9307050&P=30

lkjelkdjlkejldjkldjlejlkd
god damn it
i wanted to roll a god damn be war too
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yoooooooooooou bliz

[The Author]

I dunno, they've been doing crap for a while now...

[mecca]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3363/untitledqu2.jpg

D:

[Scufo]

So...are you actually a cheater or what?

EDIT: Wait, so Blood Elves can't be warriors because they're a magical race...and yet they can be rogues?

What?

[Shonen Samurai]

I don't think it's because they're a "magical race."

What High Elf units do you remember that were melee, besides Spellbreakers (which were barely that)?

I can anticipate your next argument: Gnome warriors! There's no previous stuff not to back that up, though.

Besides: if you had to choose between Blood Elves having hunters (long lore history of archery, Rangers, Sylvanas) or a warrior (no noted history), which would you take? Which would you bitch more about?

Would you prefer they took away warlocks? Mages? Rogues make perfect sense, the whole society is drug-addicted and shady as fuck.

[Ero Elohim]

Friend on my server made this movie:

link (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7170734078280837335&q=stormrage+eu)

Not your usual WoW movie, I assure you - fans of Weird Al should diggit ;)

[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm goin'
[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm goin'
[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm goin'
[23:22] Ero Elohim: Yes, I'm going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm goin'
[23:22] nightowl*****: wher?
[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm goin'
[23:22] Ero Elohim: HArd
[23:22] nightowl*****: where?
[23:22] Ero Elohim: I'm going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: Yes I'm going
[23:22] nightowl*****: ew hard?
[23:22] Ero Elohim: We're going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: We're going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: Yes, going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: We're going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: Hard
[23:22] Ero Elohim: We're going
[23:22] Ero Elohim: Hard
[23:23] Ero Elohim: To the
[23:23] Ero Elohim: We're going
[23:23] Ero Elohim: to the
[23:23] nightowl*****: its still loading
[23:23] Ero Elohim: HARDWARE STORE
[23:23] Ero Elohim: HARDWARE STORE
[23:23] Ero Elohim: HARDWARE STORE
[23:23] Ero Elohim: HARDWARE STORE
[23:23] nightowl*****: wtf

---

Sometimes I wonder why (or how) I have friends.

[i <3 robots]

So...are you actually a cheater or what?

EDIT: Wait, so Blood Elves can't be warriors because they're a magical race...and yet they can be rogues?

What?

PEW PEW PEW (http://lorelol.ytmnd.com/)

[Raenok]

Oh, right, I don't think I've ever exclaimed that I had a Shaman.

Now, discussion on the Caverns of Time. We know about the different periods we will go to, but it's interesting that it could easily be tampered with. For example:

- One could go back and prevent Sylvanas ever becoming a banshee, thereby preventing the rise of the Forsaken.

- One could go back and prevent Arthas from ever becoming a Death Knight, though I don't know how.

- One could even go to the battle of Hyjal and help Archimonde obtain the power of the World Tree, dooming Azeroth.

So many possibilities could happen if the Caverns were to be messed with. Lore-wise, that is.

[Arek the Absolute]

I don't think it's because they're a "magical race."

What High Elf units do you remember that were melee, besides Spellbreakers (which were barely that)?

I can anticipate your next argument: Gnome warriors! There's no previous stuff not to back that up, though.

Besides: if you had to choose between Blood Elves having hunters (long lore history of archery, Rangers, Sylvanas) or a warrior (no noted history), which would you take? Which would you bitch more about?

Would you prefer they took away warlocks? Mages? Rogues make perfect sense, the whole society is drug-addicted and shady as fuck.
take out rogues and replace them with war's
everyones happy then

[suzumebachi]

i wish they didn't have to take out anything. what's wrong with having 7 classes? i mean, sure the icons on the character creation screen might look a bit awkward... but otherwise... srsly wtf.

the only explanation i've heard so far is that they didn't want to give the horde more classes for their new race than alliance. really? who gives a shit if blood elves can be 7 classes and draenei can only be 6. "only" 6. as opposed to the taurens' or gnomes' 4? give me a god damn break.

<end drunken rant>

in other news, legolas joins horde! if i didn't already have one 60 hunter and weren't already working on a second one, i'd totally make a blood elf hunter just so i could get mocked by random irrelevant faggots every time i talked in the LFG channel (i mean... it's bad enough asking for help killing hogger in elwynn forest as a NE hunter... imagine a BE hunter asking where mankrik's wife is... srsly it's gonna be great). so instead i will make a BE pally and will get mocked by all the lore-fags (like i REALLY give a shit).

<end drunken addendum>

[Arek the Absolute]

warrior + aoe silence + 60 insta rage = imba



yeah i was going to roll one too :-p
holy hell
it is 15 rage. five per orb. it is 60 ENERGY.
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING.

btw charge + aoe stun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge aoe silence

I think BE rogues are a worse idea than BE Warriors. Think about it, stealth, stun. time to blink? nono, cause you got aoe silenced. oh crap now you are about to be wtfpwnt.

Think about it.

-----
my simple angry post in the wow gen forums
i was tired when i wrote it plus i refrained from really putting much thought into the post

[Zutnunzor]

Hi... Newcomer here, I just started playing WoW (Friend trial invite, my friends were begging me to try it) and so far the game is pretty good except I'm only level 10 and getting my ass kicked... Anyone have any newbie-friendly tips and hints for a lv. 10 Undead Rogue on Andorhal?

[~Jessica~]

getting your ass kicked? you shouldn't be at that level, and who/what are you getting kicked by. Keep in mind that your squishy as a rogue, and not to fight more than 2 mobs at a time, things can get messy when theres 3 or more, even with cooldowns. Also make sure you have enough help when taking on new monsters, and make sure they aren't over 3 levels higher than you, even @ 3 levels higher, alot of your attacks are going to miss

[suzumebachi]

yeah, i'd recommend sticking to killing stuff 2-3 levels lower than you as a rogue. not only is that stuff much easier to kill (since your chance to hit them is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than stuff the same or higher level than you) but also much, much faster and so while you gain less XP per kill, you'll be gaining more XP overall in the time alotted with less chance of dying. if you're gonna be fighting higher level guys, your best bet is to group up with someone (preferably a healer) and go at it.

[Zutnunzor]

Oh okay... No wonder. I was trying to do a quest that is orange/red to me... :D

[The Author]

Oh, right, I don't think I've ever exclaimed that I had a Shaman.

Now, discussion on the Caverns of Time. We know about the different periods we will go to, but it's interesting that it could easily be tampered with. For example:

- One could go back and prevent Sylvanas ever becoming a banshee, thereby preventing the rise of the Forsaken.

- One could go back and prevent Arthas from ever becoming a Death Knight, though I don't know how.

- One could even go to the battle of Hyjal and help Archimonde obtain the power of the World Tree, dooming Azeroth.

So many possibilities could happen if the Caverns were to be messed with. Lore-wise, that is.

Nozerdomu is the one assigning the cavern of time quests and frankly, if you would piss him off, you'd die quickly (In theory... Take Nefarion, he is the son of Neltharion Deathwing, and is only a fraction of neltharion's power. Nozerdomu had power equivalent to Deathwing's power prior the demon orb ordeal. Basically, it would probably take a 120 man raid to down Nozerdomu (in theory). And that would be unless Nozerdomu decided to kill you right as you were born... to be safe.

[mecca]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2820/733121275lcopynb2.jpg

[~Jessica~]

whoa.... don't know what to say about that room!
well nothing nice at least ^^

[Bigfoot]

whoa.... don't know what to say about that room!
well nothing nice at least ^^

Pfft, that's nothing. Check this out :P


Team Wizzy (one man) who plays DAoC. He controls a group of players alone and is pretty damn good at it.

haha, craziness
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2274/twdeskpic2dt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[~Jessica~]

nah I meant the aforesaid room is quite messy, well at least for me it is. The second room looks very well setup and is rather tidy. Looks very ordered.

[Bigfoot]

nah I meant the aforesaid room is quite messy, well at least for me it is. The second room looks very well setup and is rather tidy. Looks very ordered.

Oh, I see what you mean :P

[i <3 robots]

So WoW has a myspace (http://www.myspace.com/worldofwarcraft) now.

[Bigfoot]

So WoW has a myspace (http://www.myspace.com/worldofwarcraft) now.

Oh jeez.

[Blake]

This a HILARIOUS video, and I'm mighty impressed wth people's ability to work together to make something so cool, no matter how NERDY it is.

WoW WEDDING: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6724632215622439110&q=WoW

Good soundtrack too.

[GeckoYamori]

It's Korean, nothing can be too nerdy over there.

[mecca]

hey shut the f**k up u bastards this is a good movie the female is not a gnome ano its a dwarf u a*s this guy is cool and he is a lady killer that means ladys think he is atractive so shut up i wish i could be there im a night elf and i could be the ring bear cuz i can turn into a bear so have appriciacion for this guy k this guy made this movie and its really romantic by the way im a guy and later.

[Actually taken from comments]

[GeckoYamori]

Also, does the Korean version have dubbed character voices?

[i <3 robots]

This a HILARIOUS video, and I'm mighty impressed wth people's ability to work together to make something so cool, no matter how NERDY it is.

WoW WEDDING: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6724632215622439110&q=WoW

Good soundtrack too.

Scantly clad dancing gnome rogue alert.

[Shonen Samurai]

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3152830

Bomb. Shell.

[The Author]

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3152830

Bomb. Shell.

I think they may have revived my faith.

[Shonen Samurai]

"Raid Or Die" died.

[The Author]

I believe blizz realised that the 40 man thing was not sitting well with its attempts to reach casual gamers.

By making the game more accessible, they may just make this an even bigger success. I hate that my 60 characters sit on a shelves simply because I don't have a raid centric guild.

[Russell Cox]

I believe blizz realised that the 40 man thing was not sitting well with its attempts to reach casual gamers.

By making the game more accessible, they may just make this an even bigger success. I hate that my 60 characters sit on a shelves simply because I don't have a raid centric guild.

Not only that, but for raiding guilds this is actually a blessing as well. A lot of times it feels like JUICE is mostly 20-25 people carrying 10-15 through raids, and this will keep us from having to need to invite others just because "manpower needed from 40" on the post MC raid instances.

Plus, smaller shit like ZG and AQ20, and even 5-10 man zones are a lot more fun to me. There's not as much 'wait' or requirements needed since it's more skill based rather than setup with numbers that small.

[OA]

this news is great!
great great great on all fronts.

[The Author]

I'm pretty excited about the shammy news as well, and to an extent, the pally news. It's true that by having them split in two factions, they had to keep an illogical balance between the two classes.

[suzumebachi]

1up.com is broken and i see no mention of any kind of "bomb shell" on worldofwarcraft.com

can someone please explain wtf is going on?

[JesustheDarkLord]

I play WoW but my account is closed until I get my new check card - it should be here by Wednesday.

Garithos (Horde)
----------------
Amanshe - 24 Tauren Shaman
Molto - 11 Undead Rogue

Blackwing Lair (Alliance)
----------------
Haituyu - 17 NE Hunter
Orko - 8 Human Mage

As you can tell, I'm new to the game - I've only played for a month.

[OA]

1up.com is broken and i see no mention of any kind of "bomb shell" on worldofwarcraft.com

can someone please explain wtf is going on?

im sure you'll hear elsewhere before you read this, but I can bullet-point it for ya

No more 40 man raids, the cap is now 25
PVP grind is replaced by a points system. You PVP, and at the end of the week, get points that you can use to buy gear with. No more honor decay.
New Arena Battles, where you start a roster, similar to starting a guild, where you can do 2 man, 3 man, or 5 man teams, and they are not only cross-realm, but alliance can fight alliance and horde can fight horde.

There's more, but those are the big ones.

[suzumebachi]

1up.com is broken and i see no mention of any kind of "bomb shell" on worldofwarcraft.com

can someone please explain wtf is going on?

im sure you'll hear elsewhere before you read this, but I can bullet-point it for ya

No more 40 man raids, the cap is now 25
PVP grind is replaced by a points system. You PVP, and at the end of the week, get points that you can use to buy gear with. No more honor decay.
New Arena Battles, where you start a roster, similar to starting a guild, where you can do 2 man, 3 man, or 5 man teams, and they are not only cross-realm, but alliance can fight alliance and horde can fight horde.

There's more, but those are the big ones.

is the 25 man cap retroactive for MC/BWL/AQ40/Naxx as well? or will those stay 40 man.

that pvp stuff sounds NICE. very VERY nice. i imagine this will help alleviate the honor grind. it may actually take longer to get the stuff you want, but at least you won't have to play 20 hours a day to do it.

also, i totally predicted the Arena Battle thing last night. i'm not even joking. some guy made a thread about the colliseum in orgrimmar, and i posted saying it could probably be used to organize 3 or 5 man fights.

edit: 1up.com is still broken. i wonder what's going on over there...

[Ramaniscence]

1up.com is broken and i see no mention of any kind of "bomb shell" on worldofwarcraft.com

can someone please explain wtf is going on?

im sure you'll hear elsewhere before you read this, but I can bullet-point it for ya

No more 40 man raids, the cap is now 25
PVP grind is replaced by a points system. You PVP, and at the end of the week, get points that you can use to buy gear with. No more honor decay.
New Arena Battles, where you start a roster, similar to starting a guild, where you can do 2 man, 3 man, or 5 man teams, and they are not only cross-realm, but alliance can fight alliance and horde can fight horde.

There's more, but those are the big ones.

is the 25 man cap retroactive for MC/BWL/AQ40/Naxx as well? or will those stay 40 man.

that pvp stuff sounds NICE. very VERY nice. i imagine this will help alleviate the honor grind. it may actually take longer to get the stuff you want, but at least you won't have to play 20 hours a day to do it.

also, i totally predicted the Arena Battle thing last night. i'm not even joking. some guy made a thread about the colliseum in orgrimmar, and i posted saying it could probably be used to organize 3 or 5 man fights.

edit: 1up.com is still broken. i wonder what's going on over there...

Heartless Gamer writes "There is quite a few surprises waiting in World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. The raiding scene in World of Warcraft is going to dramatically change once Burning Crusade is released. Here's the long and short of it: all of the new high-end raid content will be capped at 25 heads. Indeed, all the raid content that was mentioned in today's demo, with the exception of Kharazan (which is designed for 10 players) is being designed around a force of 25. Blizzard has completely done away with 40-man raiding; Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, the Temple of Ahn'Qiraj, and Naxxrammas will still exist, of course. There just isn't going to be any new 40-man content. How's that for earth-shattering?"

[The Author]

However:

For now, the scaled instances will only apply to Burning Crusade dungeons, but Chilton doesn't rule out the possibility that other zones may someday receive similar treatment, "That's going to be only for Burning Crusade instances. It is something we can apply retroactively -- that might be something that we do over time, but for now it's just going to apply to Burning Crusade." There's a lot more from Tom Chilton coming soon on 1UP, but this is just the first taste of some of the new treats coming in the Burning Crusade.

Scaled instances: If you run a 62 instance with a 70 team, it will be harder with better drops. If they scale up MC, I can't see why they would not readjust the player cap.


And the part that has me excited is:

Two key changes Chilton talks about are brand new skills that the once-faction defining classes will each have. The long-rumored Shaman ability Bloodlust from previous Warcraft games will be live in Burning Crusade and available to level 70 players. Bloodlust will be a party buff that will increase the speed of melee attacks and reduce cast times (and include the requisite growing animation and beastly howls Lore fiends would expect) for a short duration. The ability's duration and its and its cooldown are still undergoing internal testing.

The Paladin class will see a class-defining ability of its own in an ability to pull aggressive creatures off of classes with a "snap-aggro" ability. That ability, Chilton explains as the equivalent of an AOE taunt, but instead of being cast on the enemies, instead, true to the Paladin's role of buffing and supporting players, it is castable buff on a party member. At that point, the mobs that were attacking the party member within an Area of Effect range will then turn and attack the Paladin. It continues to reinforce Blizzard's desire to turn the Paladin into a secondary tank and a healer, instead of the simple healer the class has been relegated to.


This is why they gave both factions the classes: They don't need to justify any changes with a change to the other class as well. They will grow in very different directions.

[GeckoYamori]

I just wish each class would recieve racial skills of their own, like priests.

[OA]

is the 25 man cap retroactive for MC/BWL/AQ40/Naxx as well? or will those stay 40 man.



I am thinking they will change the cap to 25, but remember that they are level 60 instances, and the level will be 70. It'll be like running ZF with 3 or 4 60's. Not as many as you are used to, but you are powerful enough that it doesnt really matter.

[Russell Cox]

Scaled instances: If you run a 62 instance with a 70 team, it will be harder with better drops. If they scale up MC, I can't see why they would not readjust the player cap.

Because Blackwing Lair, Ahn'Qiraji, and Naxxramas were all built with the input from 40 people. Molten Core I could *somewhat* see going to 25 man; it isn't hard so much as a an introduction into bigger raiding. Perhaps Majordomo/Sulfuron would give guilds a slight problem if the new cap was 25.

But for the others, they're built with the DPS, healing, and support stance from 40 individual people. If you scale those instances and increase to difficulty to cater to level 70 players and THEN drop the size of the allowable raid to 25 you've made them impossible. You also have to take into consideration newer guilds coming into these instances with 25 'undergeared' people that are trying to go through the normal progression.

Vael with blues? It's a DPS burn and one person's guarranteed to die every 15 seconds, 2 people every 45 seconds. 5 people die every minute, Essence of the Red debuff only lasts 3 minutes, and you've just scaled the instance to level 70 and only allow 25 people -- people barely get past 1% with 10 people alive in a 40 man raid, so I seriously doubt seeing 10 people trying to kill him from a good 14% after the three minutes are up (when mana/rage/energy ISN'T unlimited).

Broodlord? Maybe for well geared 25 people that can burn him before the forced aggro cap turns the encounter upside down, but for newer people with it scaled it's a nightmare; 25 undergeared people at level 60 NOW wouldn't be able to pull it off, much less at level 70 when it's rescaled.

Plus, there's also fights that you're forgetting are enrage-timer based (Princess Huhuran, Twin Emperors, Patchwerk, Grand Widow Faerlina, Loatheb, etc.) that are attuned to 40 people, and others that require 40 people just because of the amount of DPS/crowd control/man power going on (Fankriss, C'Thun, Ouro, Noth the Plaguebringer, Gothik the Harvester, Thaddius, etc.).

I seriously, *seriously* doubt they will go back and reinstitute said caps. Jeff Kaplan's already said, at least on release, that the older instances will not move up in level/difficulty otherwise there would be no point in new content for progression.

Instead, I could see them allowing 40 man, but guilds forming up with 30-40 members and taking dedicated 25 members through level 60 content at level 70. It would still provide them a challenge due to the lessened numbers, get them used to working with 25 caps, and get people geared up faster so as to not be so far behind on the newer content.

[The Author]

People will skip MC/BWL/AQ40 then.

[Shonen Samurai]

I just wish each class would recieve racial skills of their own, like priests.

They are.

[suzumebachi]

I just wish each class would recieve racial skills of their own, like priests.

They are.

source?

also, does anybody know anything about the new talents yet?

[Shonen Samurai]

I just wish each class would recieve racial skills of their own, like priests.

They are.

source?

also, does anybody know anything about the new talents yet?

Haha, "source"

[suzumebachi]

what? you confirmed that all classes are getting their own racial skills, and i'm asking you where or who you learned this from.

[Russell Cox]

People will skip MC/BWL/AQ40 then.

Incorrect, thanks for playing.

Suz, it's information posted by Spybot. There's a thread in the RnD forums. If you don't know who Spybot is, think of him as inside information for the past two years. All 'leaked' patch notes and game changes he's posted has been true.

Grats Warlocks. DOT PRIEST MORE DOT! MORE REND!

"I will say this, for expansion the debuff limit is being increased from 16 to 40, combined with the focus on smaller raid dungeons, Warlock players will have more freedom and opportunity to use their debuffing abilities with less limitation. Beyond this, all classes will have new spells, talents and abilities that they will bring to the table by the time level 70 is achieved. "

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9468079&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard

[suzumebachi]

Suz, it's information posted by Spybot. There's a thread in the RnD forums. If you don't know who Spybot is, think of him as inside information for the past two years. All 'leaked' patch notes and game changes he's posted has been true.

I can't find the thread you're talking about (probably got buried by the 2500 or so "ZOMG 25 MAN IS TEH SUX" and "YAYZ 25 MAN FTW!!!11one" threads).

Does this 'spybot' person have a website? :(

Also, 40 debuffs should be fun. It'd be cool to go on a 40 druid raid (that is if there is even a realm with 40 druids on it, seems we're kinda rare) and do nothing but oomfire spam just to see 40 moonfire debuffs on the target.

[zircon]

what? you confirmed that all classes are getting their own racial skills, and i'm asking you where or who you learned this from.

HE WORKS FOR BLIZZARD

[GeckoYamori]

Internet sarcasm, don't fail me now!

[suzumebachi]

what? you confirmed that all classes are getting their own racial skills, and i'm asking you where or who you learned this from.

HE WORKS FOR BLIZZARD

http://hosting.thasauce.net/suzumebachi/img/ohok.gif

[klm09]

what? you confirmed that all classes are getting their own racial skills, and i'm asking you where or who you learned this from.

HE WORKS FOR BLIZZARD

http://hosting.thasauce.net/suzumebachi/img/ohok.gif

I lol'd. Why are big letters so funny? :D

Carry on.

[The Author]

People will skip MC/BWL/AQ40 then.

Incorrect, thanks for playing.


I don't know how much life you don't have, but many people have a hard time fitting a 40 man raid in their schedules. I say skip, but most people will go on ahead and hit level 70 before thinking about MC.

[Russell Cox]

Suz, it's information posted by Spybot. There's a thread in the RnD forums. If you don't know who Spybot is, think of him as inside information for the past two years. All 'leaked' patch notes and game changes he's posted has been true.

I can't find the thread you're talking about (probably got buried by the 2500 or so "ZOMG 25 MAN IS TEH SUX" and "YAYZ 25 MAN FTW!!!11one" threads).

Does this 'spybot' person have a website? :(

Also, 40 debuffs should be fun. It'd be cool to go on a 40 druid raid (that is if there is even a realm with 40 druids on it, seems we're kinda rare) and do nothing but oomfire spam just to see 40 moonfire debuffs on the target.

It was found on the wowguru site (where he always posts) and someone linked it to the RnD boards. Here's what a friend posted when he was reading it:

Some information coming from Gencon/Spybot about the Burning Crusade. Not all is new.

New profession level cap is 375 and called Master
Alchemy specialties called Potion and Elixir Alchemy
Tailoring specialties called Shadoweave, Divine and Arcane Tailoring
In the expansion they will be many more useful high level recipes. Along the lines of sageblade or robe of the archmage and better.
Each race/class combination will receive one new racial spell, much like Priests already do.
The example they give is Blood Elf Paladins getting a spell called Blood Debt which amplifies the power of your next judgement at the cost of health. All racial spells will be released when public beta starts.
They're aiming for Q4 2006 release.
Public beta will begin not too long after 1.12 goes live.
Patch 1.13 will be primarily a bug fix patch, but will introduce the Dark Portal opening world event.
They learned from their mistakes from the pvp system in the original game. They will completely revamp the honor system and make it complement PvE, rather than be dependent on it.
They have ideas to make PvP more skill based than time based. 1.12 is just a temporary fix.
Cross realm battlegrounds makes it possible for them to make many new battlegrounds without thinning the pvp population.
Gladiator Arenas will be introduced in the expansion. Some will be deathmatches (which is something players requested but weren't appropriate for a battleground), some will be survival against increasingly powerful monsters.
World pvp objectives will probably not give physical rewards. It's just something for fun that players requested. Think SS Tarren mill battles.
Guild rating and ladder will be introduced as part of honor system changes
They will focus on smaller group content, but that doesn't mean theyre forgetting about raiders. An example is there are 4 full raid dungeons not including onyxia in game currently. They will have at least as many in the expansion.
They really liked stuff like DM tribute and 45 minute baron. As a result all new BC dungeons will have difficulty levels.

[Russell Cox]

I don't know how much life you don't have, but many people have a hard time fitting a 40 man raid in their schedules. I say skip, but most people will go on ahead and hit level 70 before thinking about MC.

Incorrect, thanks for playing. Try to be more consistent in your pathetic ramblings.

First of all, if they can't fit a 40 man raid into their schedule now, they're not going to be able to fit a 10 man, 20 man, or 25 man raid in the future. Both require time and commitment and require damn near the same amount of "selection" as each other. Just because one takes more people doesn't mean it's inherently "harder" or "longer".

Second of all, you're under the delusion that only no-life's raid at all. News flash; raid instances are't like normal instances. Not every guild does 8 hour grinds a day on the instances. JUICE does 3 hour raid blocks (don't even try to say that's a lot of time; you spent more on a console RPG in one sitting than that) 3 times a week on Naxxramas, and the other nights are the rest of the instances broken down into 2 night sections; Blackwing Lair takes us around 3 and a half hours, Ahn'Qiraji around 6, MC around 2.

Thirdly, you're ALSO under the delusion that BWL/AQ/MC/Naxx gear is suddenly useless as soon as you hit 61. Either you're a pure idiot (which is highly possible), or you don't realize how stats are distributed in epic gear versus blue gear you'll get at level 70.

There are also items from MC that STILL have yet to be outmatched by even new gear -- Thunderfury is STILL the best tanking weapon hands down, Hand of Ragnaros is STILL the hardest hitting 2H weapon in the game (proc included, Might of Menethil from Kel'Thuzad NOT included since he has not died yet), Ragnaros's neck piece is STILL the highest damage neckpiece for mages/warlocks, Quick Strike Ring is STILL the best pure DPS ring for Warriors and feral Druids, the best alternating Rogue DPS gloves are STILL in MC (Depending on fight), and the main weapon of Hunters and Priests STILL resides in MC, as well as others. Yeah, I'm sure NO ONE will be running Molten Core come post-expansion :roll:

"How much a life I don't have?" Interesting, I'll be sure to ask my niece and nephew, and boyfriend how much I don't have next time we sit down to eat : ) Your attempts at insults are yawn inspiring; try better next time. My cat can insult me better with her farts.

Funny though, you say I have no life, yet I'm not the one hiding under a Japanese name, as though I were a common anime/gamer basement dweller.

[The Author]

Ah Russell, stick to music, insults are not your forte.

Any complaints about my name may be, and should be, directed towards evilhead, as he won the contest I had to give me a name for 2006. Come january, my name will change again. You, however, will remain a delusional jerk.


Take a 40 man group, spread across america, in 5 different timezones. Assuming everyone becomes available to raid at 7PM in their timezone, this means that some people have to be there as early as 2PM or as late as midnight. Even in the better conditions, you have to get 40 people ready at, depending of their location any time between 4 and 10 PM. Just there, picture MC as a 20 man instance, and cut that in half simply because the 20 eastcoasters can now raid together. The max range now becomes 4PM to 10 PM for both the east coast and west coast group. By starting at a centralized time, the logical range is gonna be 5:30 to 8:30.

sounds better, no?

It does not stop there. You can get 40 people ready?

Great, you can now break it up, one group of 15, another of 15, and another of 10. In this groups, you can include 20 new people. In one raid week, you could fit 3 20 people raid for an larger total number of raiders: 60.

This is how it would improve the raiding schedule.

Also, it's easier to find 20 people with a timeslot to allocate to a raid together than to find 40. That is simple mathematics, you should be able to get it. Now, as to why people would skip these instances:

Tier 1: the gear is said to be level 66. Tier 2 is supposed to be 76, and tier 3 is 86. Traditionally, a green is equivalent to 2-5 levels higher to its written level. Blue is 5 to 8, and epic is higher than 8 (except tier 1, strangely enough.) This means that a level 63 green will have similar power to a tier 1 drop taken alone. This also means that at level 66, greens will be at least as powerful as tier 1. By level 70, Greens will rival tier 2 pieces, and blues will equal or surpass them.

I dunno if you know this, but at one time, Scarlet was the high end instance. The geare there was not to be surpassed.

Then the top dog was UBRS, and the aptly called tier 0 sets were the best things ever.

Right now, people can't skip UBRS because they have nothing other than to gear up for MC. Hell, most people now would skip LBRS and BRD, and many already ignore ST. People would skip a timesink like MC just to get to other stuff.

Unless they remove some of the limitations to the raid instances, it will be easier to target the level 62 instance, or to target level 70's power.


Oh, and just because you talk to people doesn't mean that you don't scrifice something else for WoW's raiding. Think of everything you turned down for going on a raid.

[zircon]

Tier 1: the gear is said to be level 66. Tier 2 is supposed to be 76, and tier 3 is 86. Traditionally, a green is equivalent to 2-5 levels higher to its written level. Blue is 5 to 8, and epic is higher than 8 (except tier 1, strangely enough.) This means that a level 63 green will have similar power to a tier 1 drop taken alone. This also means that at level 66, greens will be at least as powerful as tier 1. By level 70, Greens will rival tier 2 pieces, and blues will equal or surpass them.

I may not play anymore, but simple logic can be used to see why that makes no sense. The best greens available at level 60 don't beat epics and blues that are lower than that, in the 50s, thus there's no reason to expect level 70 greens would be tier 2 epics.

[Russell Cox]

Pathetic.

The servers are split into different timezones for a reason. If you're on a server that is on Pacific time, but you are in Central, there is no one to blame for yourself. Stop trying to make excuses as to why people "can't" raid. They either want to, or they don't. It isn't a matter of "Oh I can't..." You're doing nothing but pulling extremes out of your ass to support a weak argument.

The fact that you're trying to compare tier 1-3 to Scarlet Monastery gear is hilarious. Seriously, either learn how gear is made and points are allocated, or sit down and shut up. It's not that difficult of a concept to understand. Unless you're an idiot.

The last few sentences you posted made no sense, and I see to try to save face you completely ignored the issue of Thunderfury vs. Quel'Serrar/Widow's Blade, etc. I have played this game since closed beta; don't even try to insinuate that I have no idea what the game was like before retail. I was one of the main Hunters that PUSHED to get rid of the fucking focus system for our class; mana system isn't perfect for us but it's a lot better.

"Oh, and just because you talk to people doesn't mean that you don't scrifice something else for WoW's raiding. Think of everything you turned down for going on a raid."

*yawn*

Seriously, try harder. It's called "time alone" for 2 hours. The nights we want to fuck, or go to a movie, or watch TV... guess what. WE DO. I'm sorry if your mind is so feeble you can not comprehend the issue of "time management" and how yes, even with a full and active lifestyle, I can still raid.

[PJ]

zircon speaks the truth.
Russel Cox makes good music. Therefore he R WINNAH, or maybe I've had too much to drink

[Bigfoot]

So for someone who hasn't played since June, and with all the changes that are supposed to happen(I don't know them all), will it be worth coming back to?

[Shonen Samurai]

People who have tier 1+ are going to have a much, much easier time in the new instances than people who don't. THAT'S why you want to run them.

Plus, with level 70 friends...you really CAN farm Molten Core. How's that for free epix?

[suzumebachi]

Yeah, unless Molten Core is going to be scaled up (which I find unlikely) I imagine MC PUG raids are going to become far more commonplace at 70. I figure people who are new to raiding will still start there as a place to at least get some decent gear on themselves as well as learning the basics of large instances. It'll be the new BRS/Strat/Scholo.

Hmm on that note... I wonder what's gonna happen to BRS/Strat/DM/etc. I guess they will probably only get done by lvl 58-62 or so people as they level.

[Russell Cox]

Hmm on that note... I wonder what's gonna happen to BRS/Strat/DM/etc. I guess they will probably only get done by lvl 58-62 or so people as they level.

Hmm, well.

Quel'Serrar is supposedly, according to what I've heard from most Warriors that complete the sword, not complete. Glaive of the Defender is what's reported to be the 'next step' of the QS, since blue posters said that there will be quests that further upgrade it:

Glaive of the Defender
Binds when picked up
Unique
Main Hand
Sword
138 - 210 Damage Speed 2.30
(75.7 damage per second)
80 Armor
+12 Strength
+12 Agility
+18 Stamina
+8 Frost Resistance
+8 Shadow Resistance
Durability 145 / 145
Classes: Warrior
Requires Level 60
Equip: Increased Defense +11.
Chance on hit: Reduces the damage taken from melee attacks, ranged attacks and spells by 75% for 10 sec. (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23051)

The Shendralar are supposedly the 'faction' that handles the true forging of the sword. Much like Revantusk Village, I wouldn't be surprise if there's a few more quest lines that lead through Dire Maul (and possible Dire Maul Ruins, if datamines are to be believed) in the future.

Whether it's true or not, dunno. It would certainly go back to the form of tanking where the proc from your weapon helps you (aka Quel'Serrar), instead of debuff the mob and generating a massive amount of threat (Thunderfury).

So for someone who hasn't played since June, and with all the changes that are supposed to happen(I don't know them all), will it be worth coming back to?

Hmm, that's hard to say, and depends on your class. Aside from class racials we know that have been confirmed by blue posters, and a few tidbits about changes in the game (debuff limit being raised, less members required to raid period post-expansion, etc.), there hasn't really been a LOT said about the individual classes and their 41 point talents.

However, you can take this as you will since apparently I'm "a liar" and don't know what I'm talking about. I do have two friends that both work in the Q&A department of Blizzard (one's worked there over 3 years, one's barely beyond 6 months) and they've dropped a few hints as to the potential 41 point talents that a few developers and Kaplan's been leaning towards. Remember, I said these were potential, not decided on; Paladins and Shamans weren't going to be cross faction a year ago and then they got tired of having to write two separate encounters for Horde and Alliance after Ahn'Qiraji and did their best to write 'static' fights in Naxxramas where they wouldn't run into problems of "totem aggro fucking up boss~Twin Emperors" or "chaining from totems~original C'Thun" or "forgetting Alliance doesn't have two ways to get nature auras, like Horde".

For Warriors, the only one I know is in the Arms tree, and it's a weapon specialization talent. Since meh, but what it does is allow whatever you've dropped points into in the various "Polearm/Mace/Sword/Axe" specialization would be applicable to *every* weapon you carry and not just one of that particular proficiency.

Warlocks, Affliction carries a Shadow Bolt volley -- it's around 850ish mana, cast time is 3 seconds, hits up to 5 targets in a cone effect in I think a 30 yard range (is affected by Destructive Reach), , 30 second cooldown, and I think Chris said it's around 75-80% of the current highest level shadowbolt you can do damagewise. Mana cost is supposed to be around the cost of Blizzard, and supposedly it's around 2K mana cost at the highest rank @ 70.

He didn't have anything to say about Demonology tree, but that Destruction's 41 point talent is supposed to be "some form of corpse explosion." Great, as if you assholes weren't already enough of a fucking pain in PvP.

The only other class he mentioned at the time was Priest, and that was their Holy and Shadow trees. Holy tree is supposed to get a "Holy form" (how original) that increases the amount of healing done by holy spells by 25% and reduce their mana cost by 10%, but any offensive spells can not be cast at all.

Shadow tree is supposed to get something I think he called "Darkness Absorbtion" that works sort of like the new talent in the Arcane tree in the mage class (10% chance to reset spells, spells resisted fully restore X percent of total mana) but that all *physical* damage taken has a 30% chance to restore mana equal to 50% of the damage you took.

*shrugg* Like I said, I don't know how concrete this shit is or whatnot, but he hasn't lied to us yet.

[The Author]

Tier 1: the gear is said to be level 66. Tier 2 is supposed to be 76, and tier 3 is 86. Traditionally, a green is equivalent to 2-5 levels higher to its written level. Blue is 5 to 8, and epic is higher than 8 (except tier 1, strangely enough.) This means that a level 63 green will have similar power to a tier 1 drop taken alone. This also means that at level 66, greens will be at least as powerful as tier 1. By level 70, Greens will rival tier 2 pieces, and blues will equal or surpass them.

I may not play anymore, but simple logic can be used to see why that makes no sense. The best greens available at level 60 don't beat epics and blues that are lower than that, in the 50s, thus there's no reason to expect level 70 greens would be tier 2 epics.

http://thottbot.com/?i=7166

Concidered level 40. Meaning equivalent to a 50 green.

http://thottbot.com/?i=4009


They seem pretty equivalent.

[Russell Cox]

Tier 1: the gear is said to be level 66. Tier 2 is supposed to be 76, and tier 3 is 86. Traditionally, a green is equivalent to 2-5 levels higher to its written level. Blue is 5 to 8, and epic is higher than 8 (except tier 1, strangely enough.) This means that a level 63 green will have similar power to a tier 1 drop taken alone. This also means that at level 66, greens will be at least as powerful as tier 1. By level 70, Greens will rival tier 2 pieces, and blues will equal or surpass them.

I may not play anymore, but simple logic can be used to see why that makes no sense. The best greens available at level 60 don't beat epics and blues that are lower than that, in the 50s, thus there's no reason to expect level 70 greens would be tier 2 epics.

http://thottbot.com/?i=7166

Concidered level 40. Meaning equivalent to a 50 green.

http://thottbot.com/?i=4009


They seem pretty equivalent.

Just. Wow.

I didn't realize people were so stupid.

First of all, if you're going to compare, actually know WHAT you're going to compare. None of thise "Well, it's 35 but it's SUPPOSED to be 40 so I'll make that my argument!" dumbass shit. You're trying to compare an epic, BIND ON EQUIP, WORLD DROP, level 35 staff to a QUESTED level 50 staff.

Secondly, you're comparing items that are from two completely different sides of the spectrum. One is INT/SPR/+Damage, which is for builds that focus on grouping for maximum efficieny out of spells or PvP-One-Shot type gimmicks; the other is STA/INT and is used primarily in builds that AoE grind a lot or simply prefer the ability to outlast the opposition.

One is rare as shit, and on some servers you see maybe once a month. The other every Joe-Blow can get easily with minimal effort. One stat != same value in terms of point allocation, and much less how one person weighs each stat in gear choices.

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3228 is a staff that still outperforms your green quested item, depending on which non-moronic person you speak to. Any healer worth his weight in salt understands the value of even minute amounts of spirit, and would rather see something with more balance like the IR over that green POS.

Please, come up with another Mr. Japanese Name. I haven't had this many laughs in quite a while.

[Bigfoot]

To your question about what class I played, my main is a Rogue(I think he's 58, or almost 58 anyway).

I always wanted to make an undead Warrior or undead Shadow Priest( I always liked the undead :P ) though.

[The Author]

Tier 1: the gear is said to be level 66. Tier 2 is supposed to be 76, and tier 3 is 86. Traditionally, a green is equivalent to 2-5 levels higher to its written level. Blue is 5 to 8, and epic is higher than 8 (except tier 1, strangely enough.) This means that a level 63 green will have similar power to a tier 1 drop taken alone. This also means that at level 66, greens will be at least as powerful as tier 1. By level 70, Greens will rival tier 2 pieces, and blues will equal or surpass them.

I may not play anymore, but simple logic can be used to see why that makes no sense. The best greens available at level 60 don't beat epics and blues that are lower than that, in the 50s, thus there's no reason to expect level 70 greens would be tier 2 epics.

http://thottbot.com/?i=7166

Concidered level 40. Meaning equivalent to a 50 green.

http://thottbot.com/?i=4009


They seem pretty equivalent.

Just. Wow.

I didn't realize people were so stupid.

First of all, if you're going to compare, actually know WHAT you're going to compare. None of thise "Well, it's 35 but it's SUPPOSED to be 40 so I'll make that my argument!" dumbass shit. You're trying to compare an epic, BIND ON EQUIP, WORLD DROP, level 35 staff to a QUESTED level 50 staff.

Secondly, you're comparing items that are from two completely different sides of the spectrum. One is INT/SPR/+Damage, which is for builds that focus on grouping for maximum efficieny out of spells or PvP-One-Shot type gimmicks; the other is STA/INT and is used primarily in builds that AoE grind a lot or simply prefer the ability to outlast the opposition.

One is rare as shit, and on some servers you see maybe once a month. The other every Joe-Blow can get easily with minimal effort. One stat != same value in terms of point allocation, and much less how one person weighs each stat in gear choices.

http://www.thottbot.com/?i=3228 is a staff that still outperforms your green quested item, depending on which non-moronic person you speak to. Any healer worth his weight in salt understands the value of even minute amounts of spirit, and would rather see something with more balance like the IR over that green POS.

Please, come up with another Mr. Japanese Name. I haven't had this many laughs in quite a while.

I could try having a discussion, but seeing as your arguments are:

"You are an idiot" followed by some text.


I will walk away. You may be right, but it seems that all you want is a gratuitous flamefest. It is not something that you want to get involved into, because first of all it would show to everyone you are a wannabe troll, and you would probably bit off more than you can chew. While it would be entertaining for me to question the sexual preferences of your mother while pulling out more appropriate drops than the first epic I could think of and the only thing that came up as a level 50 staff, I believe it would be better for this thread, and this argument, to be ignored.

Come burning crusade, we will see who was right. I still believe that MC will be ignored largely in favour of leveling and new smaller instances, which will be more accessible than the 40 man instances.

You can still believe that people will want to waste their time in MC instead of moving on to the next things.


Also: ANY COMMENTS ABOUT MY NAME CAN AND SHOULD BE FORWARDED TO EVILHEAD, AS HE IS THE ONE WHO GAVE ME THIS NAME AND SIG FOR MY "GIVE ME MY NAME FOR THE NEXT YEAR" CONTEST.

Comme december, I will open my name again for the following year. Provide me with an appropriare name, location and sig, and you willl give me my name. Although I currently think the first thing that came to your mind was along the line of: "Mr. Idiot Fat Ass." So I will politely decline any of your entries with the same kindergarten flavours.

Have a good day.

[suzumebachi]

1.12

discuss.

i haven't had a chance to play with it since the servers in my battlegroup have been down pretty much all day (and still are). but it seems all the other servers are working fine. ohwells.

[The Author]

Pretty interesting... Except ever since I migrated on a RP server, I have lost the ability to deal with "Gnomkillaz" type of players...

[suzumebachi]

oy. bloodscalp was up for about 5 minutes. just long enough for me to go aggro a mob and then for the server to crash. i'm probably dead now.

the server still shows up as online in the realm list, but when i click 'enter world', it does the loading bar thing then boots me right back to the character selection screen. :(

i have a feeling if this continues for much longer blizz is gonna put the kaibosh on cross realm battlegrounds.

[The Author]

Silver Hand is no longer on the realm list...

(yeah I have a new home, Silver Hand horde side, name Gilgan.)

[Bigfoot]

I've never seen WoW played on a crappy computer before. I saw my friend playing WoW on his old laptop and I thought WoW could never look so horrible and skippy lol.


I think it has an intel celeron processor too :X

[The Author]

I've never seen WoW played on a crappy computer before. I saw my friend playing WoW on his old laptop and I thought WoW could never look so horrible and skippy lol.


I think it has an intel celeron processor too :XI kinda like how it looks now... I kinda upgraded my PC recently...

I'll try and bring up a SS.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8739/spointwn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sorry about the size ;)


Oh and I love the look of my hunter.

[Raenok]

Look at the background. Note, this is on, say, a 3 year old laptop.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4227/sexyorchunterth3.png

FOR THE HORDE!

Anyways, I'm thinking of migrating to an RP server from Alleria. Problem is, which one. I like Shadow Council, though. BUT, there's always that problem with transfers, what I keep and what I don't. Plus, most of my friends are on Alleria. Well, maybe just ONE real freind, mostly just in-game friends.

[suzumebachi]

i recently upgraded too. got a Radeon X850 XT PE. made a HUGE difference. i run WoW @ a constant 60fps at 1440x900 (Widescreen) at absolute max settings.

anyways, bloodscalp was finally up for a while. i went to go do some 20-29 BG, and there was 40 WSGs up. it was awesome.

[Red Shadow]

Oh god this thread drags on and on just like an mmorpg

[i <3 robots]

Oh god this thread drags on and on just like an mmorpg

Only no monthly fees on this thread. :O

[The Author]

Oh god this thread drags on and on just like an mmorpg

Only no monthly fees on this thread. :O

The Beta trial is almost over though.

I'll need your credit card number.

[OA]

I rocked a few battlegrounds on my mage last night and had a great time. It's interesting to see the strategies of the other servers in my battlegroups and how they work. It was also pretty sweet seeing a preform alliance group from my server get smoked by our pug (i was the only one from the same server) because there were three or four people who actually had some T2 or better gear.

There was some weird shit going down on my server; the ghostwolf riding a wyvern (which was also ghosted)around Org was pretty strange, and there was a DC, but i think within a week, the pvp is going to be awesome. Especially exciting is the PVP potential for my 56 troll, since there is usually 2-3 games *a week* in that bracket. It was fantastic seeing around 20 WSG and 9 AB instances up.

I have a 60 rogue too that has been collecting dust that I might respec and have some fun with, we'll see.

[JesustheDarkLord]

I spent some time in the 10-19 WSG last night with my 14 warrior, just to see how the new BGs look.

We had some problem and no one could talk to anyone else in /1 or /raid.

[OA]

HO SHI

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/24455-leaked-mage-talents-skills-expansion-alpha-2.html

[The Author]

http://worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/talents-and-spells.html


Oh and I had a good PvP night. Except for that one idiot "I'm watching what they are doing and not moving" asshole.

[GeckoYamori]

I spent some time in the 10-19 WSG last night with my 14 warrior, just to see how the new BGs look.

We had some problem and no one could talk to anyone else in /1 or /raid.

The BG raid is not a regular group. You talk in /bg.

[suzumebachi]

i'm rolling an orc DW shaman.

[GeckoYamori]

Does this mean that if you have 2 one-hand weapons, you can put rockbiter on both of them by just placing the off-hand weapon in your main-hand?

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

HOly shit the rogues got some crazy dmg thingys.....the locks get felguards....the shammy get dual wield....it seems like fun for every class

looking forward to the burning crusade

[A.M.P.]

HOly shit the rogues got some crazy dmg thingys.....the locks get felguards....the shammy get dual wield....it seems like fun for every class

looking forward to the burning crusade

I'm thinking it might be a sweet idea for rogues to do a seal-fate/steup/hemo build. Possibility of generating combo points faster than you can use them!

[Blake]

It's nice playing with other servers. A lot of alliance in Frostmane that do BG's are stuck-up, but a lot of dudes from the other servers are much more gung ho. In AB last night the lumber mill was captured and being defended by at least 8 horde and a pally, warrior, and I just rushed into our suicide with some mass whirlwind and sweeping strikes. We were able to weaken them enough that with the help of only two reinforcements we were able to cap the lumber mill. Unfortunately we lost ten seconds after.

[The Author]

As a shammy, I wont DW... Seems like a waste of power.

[Scufo]

Ok, I'm getting very excited for the new Warlock talents. The last one in destruction looks incredible. And the last one in Affliction is very...tricky. I like it.

[i <3 robots]

Holy WOW Summon Water Elemental! That is like totally old skool and magilicious. Also Magelock, lol

[Scufo]

Holy WOW Summon Water Elemental! That is like totally old skool and magilicious. Also Magelock, lol
That's the one thing that seems strange to me. Shamans can summon Earth Elementals? Mages get Water Elementals? Bah. Pets are for Warlocks and Hunters.

[Darth Lime]

I played WoW for the first time friday night and it did not hook me or make me addicted. I'll admit it was fun but not as fun as people make it out to be. If I actually owned the game myself then maybe I would be addicted. Also, if there was no subscription fee then I would play as well.



*runs back to Fable: The Lost Chapters*

[i <3 robots]

Holy WOW Summon Water Elemental! That is like totally old skool and magilicious. Also Magelock, lol
That's the one thing that seems strange to me. Shamans can summon Earth Elementals? Mages get Water Elementals? Bah. Pets are for Warlocks and Hunters.

Shamans get Earth Elementals? For mages it kinda makes sense, since Conjurors in Warcraft 1 could use that ability. But were Shamans able to to this before WOW?

Doesn't matter anyway, I guess because the lore is changed to fit the game so often. Blizzard has to just make up a reason, something they are very good at.

[OA]

Holy WOW Summon Water Elemental! That is like totally old skool and magilicious. Also Magelock, lol
That's the one thing that seems strange to me. Shamans can summon Earth Elementals? Mages get Water Elementals? Bah. Pets are for Warlocks and Hunters.

well, warlocks and hunters get pets no matter how they spec; mages have to go pretty heavy into ice (though my BC mage build will be 1 arcane, 60 ice) to get a pet that will probably be much weaker than the hunter or warlock pets. Just be happy for us. :D

[Bigfoot]

I want my rogue to have a pet.


A shadow image of himself that does exactly what I do but for 50% damage.


j/k :P

[GeckoYamori]

http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/storeroom/wow-repository/murloc.jpg
I really, really wish this was real.

[i <3 robots]

http://www.cesspit.net/drupal/storeroom/wow-repository/murloc.jpg
I really, really wish this was real.

I'd play a Murloc Warlock.

[KakTheInfected]

Been awhile since I posted here, been kinda busy and as a result of that I can't keep grinding honor...(got to General again but just don't have the time to play anymore). If anyone is interested in a (currently) rank 12 Undead Warrior, exalted with all 3 BGs, contact me.

[suzumebachi]

go go burning crusade alpha!

[Zutnunzor]

Hey, havn't posted in awhile but got a question for the vets, since I can't find too much information on it...

Where are good areas to mine?

I have been mining in the Charred Vale and 1,000 Needles (I am Horde) for Mithril and iron, but my mining is 300 and I wanna find better ore, anyone know a good area or better area to mine?

[suzumebachi]

badlands. if you're 60, hit up searing gorge and burning steppes as well.

[KakTheInfected]

Eastern Plaguelands is safe to mine thorium if you don't want to deal with enemy guilds running to BRM, but no dark iron is there.

[suzumebachi]

Eastern Plaguelands is safe to mine thorium if you don't want to deal with enemy guilds running to BRM, but no dark iron is there.

you haven't played 1.12 have you.

[KakTheInfected]

Yup. The only time I've recently been attacked in EPL was when Chinese farmers would try to sap me so they could steal a vein. Berserker Rage ftw.

[suzumebachi]

Yup. The only time I've recently been attacked in EPL was when Chinese farmers would try to sap me so they could steal a vein. Berserker Rage ftw.

maybe on your realm, but on Gorefiend EPL is a freaking warzone. i mean, the world pvp there is fun and all, but i feel sorry for anyone who goes there now to quest or farm because they are gonna die. a lot.

[The Author]

Most of the thorium veins are away from the towers, you can set up a pretty safe run avoiding most PVP "core" areas.

As for CGF... well... We have to deal with it all the time, I'm currently trying to learn Chinese just to know how to tell them to F*** off :P

[suzumebachi]

http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/mandarin.htm

<3 adblock. i use this site a lot. i even had a macro that would randomly spew one of those out (but it went away after 1.12).

[GeckoYamori]

I hate Thunder Bluff, can't get a good burger anywhere! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7356708322203507049&q=bloodelf)

[Rodin]

Awesome - the new Alliance race is RUSSIAN.

[The Author]

Awesome - the new Alliance race is RUSSIAN.

In Soviet Exodar, quest does you.

[Ramaniscence]

So, I am to understand that NOT ONLY is Illidian going to be down for 2 days, AND my whole fucking friends list is going to be whiped, but posted they posted an ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT IT at 4PM. Only 8 hours before it actually happened.

Something like that I'd like to be told DAYS IN ADVANCE.

Or at least A DAY in advance.....

I hate Thunder Bluff, can't get a good burger anywhere! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7356708322203507049&q=bloodelf)
So basically, Liquid Snake was a blood elf all along? I could see it.

[suzumebachi]

lol the irony. YOUR server goes down for 36 hours, while I get 24 hours free game-time.

[The Author]

I love the new priest talents. Shadow healing ftw!

[Sinsay]

JESUS TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST

Once again Blizzard gives absolutely no reasonable warning that the servers will be down for 36 hours, including that everyone will lose their friends/ignore list. Which makes no logical sense to me how the world's biggest MMO company who netted 80 million in it's first year of production can't backup and reload a simple text log...(I think they're deleting them on purpose).

Aswell the new priest talents/spells do not seem nearly that impressive, imo. In fact, they're just plain bullshit, besides the mass dispel which is nostalgic to WC3...which 90% of WoW has never heard/played...

[GeckoYamori]

Yes, you see, Blizzard are dedicated only to making your lives as miserable as possible. They take down the servers for "extended maintenance", remove your friends lists on purpose, and every change/addition they make is to deliberately imbalance the game and screw your class over. All of this just so they can point and laugh at the millions of daily whine threads flooding the forums. They made WoW solely as one big prank for their consumer base.

[OA]

The priest talents are hot as hell.
Mass dispell clears previously non dispellable effects like pally shield and maybe death coil.

Reflecting shield makes people think twice about ganking us, and binding heal is amazing. I don't know anything about the lolshadow trees, since i play a priest, not a baby warlock, but im sure people are happy to be able to heal in shadowform.

This makes it really hard to decide whether to level my priest or mage to 70 first.

It'll probably be priest, since we are forming a small group of friends to run kharazan, and we'll be short on healers. I guess i'll see.

Also, from what i've seen of potential druid talents, all three trees got some super awesome bonuses. My feral druid friend who is in a naxx-level guild is super pumped to be getting all kinds of buffs. I can't say I understand them as well as he does, but they sounded awesome.

[Xaleph]

holy tree sux imo...

They should really change it so it's either good for pvp or good for pve.... OR BOTH

not mediocre at best.

[The Author]

I dunno, the instant party heal is nice.

The reactive raid heal is nifty too. A new spell, its a 1 minute buff, when you get hit, it procs and heals you and up to 5 targets from the same raid, around the person hit.

I can totally see that being used in like AB or WSG for D teams.

Mass dispel is gonna be murder for AV.

However, Discipline is gonna be the real PVE/PVP hybrid tree. Holy will be pure group PVE and Shadow will still be PVP/Solo PVE.

[suzumebachi]

of course the two classes I play are the last two to get their spells & skills (hunter & druid). oh well.

i've pretty much given up WoW for the time being. i'll definately be coming back when the expansion is released though. in the mean time, planetside reserves (its like... free)!

that is, of course, unless someone wants to hook a brother up with a BC alpha key :(

[The Author]

The map of outland is smaller than I thought. It seems as big as Lordaeron.

[Miletus]

Well that's kinda hard to judge, there's no scale. But it is supposed to be about the size of half one of the current continents in game. There are a few videos on the net of the nether dragon flight from the dark portal to Thrallmar, that might give some perspective.

[The Author]

Well that's kinda hard to judge, there's no scale. But it is supposed to be about the size of half one of the current continents in game. There are a few videos on the net of the nether dragon flight from the dark portal to Thrallmar, that might give some perspective.

Lordaeron is everything north of the Wetlands... I stand by my estimate.

[Ero Elohim]

With the amount of towns in each zone of Outlands and their proximity to one another, I can only salivate at the PvP prospects of such areas.

[sirusd]

WORLD OF WARCRAFT KILLS BABIES!

IT WILL CONSUME YOUR SOUL!!!

[suzumebachi]

WORLD OF WARCRAFT KILLS BABIES!

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59697

[Arek the Absolute]

WORLD OF WARCRAFT KILLS BABIES!

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59697
That the one with the korean family forgetting about their child or whatnot? If so, rofl. I remember reading that last year. Still makes me laugh at how people can get so enrapped in something that they forget to tend to something far more important.
Sex, I can understand, but neglect from playing WoW?...bah

[Ramaniscence]

HHave you people SEEN what they're trying to pass off as OUTLAND?

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/images/outlandmap/ss5.jpg

That's not fucking Outland. That's fucking Auir.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/images/outlandmap/ss3.jpg

These seriously look more like rejected StarCraft: Ghost images than Burning Crusade D:

[Ero Elohim]

Happy? (http://www.wowwiki.com/Hellfire_Peninsula)

Draenor is described as a planet "not unlike Azeroth." Until, of course, demonic corruption and the pillaging Orcs started its descent into a barren wasteland. Hellfire Peninsula and that second area you posted, The Netherstorm, both look like wastelands.

...One's just purple and has a floating Naaru building in the middle of it.

Seriously, the expansion would get old real fast if every area looked like the fucking Barrens.

[OA]

Seriously, the expansion would get old real fast if every area looked like the fucking Barrens.

QFT, and not just because i've taken 4 horde chars through it. It is a different world with different ecosystems, just like Azeroth.

I think it's beautiful, and am especially excited to see the serene-looking area.

[The Author]

Take Azeroth, grab the magic in silithus and blasted lands... overdose the world on it until it explodes, and voila, you have post W2 Draenor.

[TaVeRnErO_RuDd]

That's not fucking Outland. That's fucking Auir.


ROFL.....looking like aiur...or damnm planet CHAR! i don't care...those areas look awesome...fit in the story (somehow) and i ain't complaining...can't wait to take my flying mount for a spin in that awesome area

indeed...the expansion would get old if it all looked like durotar...that annoying red ground

[Raenok]

Well...that Marsh place and the orcen homeland won't be the Barrens, obviously...

Also, switching from Alleria to Shadow Council. Heard some very good things from that server, and I don't exactly feel like making another character. So...worth it or not? Any Council players like to fill me in?

[Rodin]

After the expansion comes out, it won't be World of Warcraft anymore - it'll be World of Blizzard. Let me take you through it.

Warcraft - this should be obvious. 90% of the game.

Diablo - learning skills from books, randomized items.

Diablo II - the talent trees are ripped directly from D2's skill trees.

Starcraft - Silithids = Zerg. They even have creep for crying out loud. Draenai = Protoss - just look at that screenshot for proof.


Every one of Blizzard's games is now incorporated into one big honkin' MMO. I think we haven't heard about any new games from them because there ARE none. The next Battleground will be Starcraft 2, you just watch.

[Raenok]

And now, Velen, leader of the Draenei:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/619/velensy2.jpg

I'm impressed. Let's just hope ALL faction leaders get an image update. Let's face it, some of them...aren't so leader-like in appearence.

[Ramaniscence]

After the expansion comes out, it won't be World of Warcraft anymore - it'll be World of Blizzard. Let me take you through it.

Warcraft - this should be obvious. 90% of the game.

Diablo - learning skills from books, randomized items.

Diablo II - the talent trees are ripped directly from D2's skill trees.

Starcraft - Silithids = Zerg. They even have creep for crying out loud. Draenai = Protoss - just look at that screenshot for proof.


Every one of Blizzard's games is now incorporated into one big honkin' MMO. I think we haven't heard about any new games from them because there ARE none. The next Battleground will be Starcraft 2, you just watch.

I really figure it's only a matter of time before the Zerg crash land on Azeroth, and the Protoss chase them there in "World of WarCraft: A New Threat", or some crud.

Not that I'm COMPLAINING, though. I'd LOVE to have a level 60 Templar or something. Almost as much as I'd love to see DIABLO himself in the game :((....

...just because he always looks so awesome (though Nefarion really looks like Diablo got turned into a dragon.)

[Scufo]

And now, Velen, leader of the Draenei:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/619/velensy2.jpg

I'm impressed. Let's just hope ALL faction leaders get an image update. Let's face it, some of them...aren't so leader-like in appearence.
They could start by making Sylvanas actually look like the High Elf she is instead of a Night Elf...

[suzumebachi]

And now, Velen, leader of the Draenei:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/619/velensy2.jpg

I'm impressed. Let's just hope ALL faction leaders get an image update. Let's face it, some of them...aren't so leader-like in appearence.
They could start by making Sylvanas actually look like the High Elf she is instead of a Night Elf...

agreed

[DJKarma]

hunter talents
hunter talents.
hunter talents!
HUNTER TALENTS!
HUNTER TALENTS!

:cry:

[GeckoYamori]

If there's 1 class the WoW community is better off without, it's huntards. They're the number one ninja looters and cause for group wipes (Having a pet reduces social dependancy, thus making them oblivious to how groups work), and the premium choice for bots/farmers.

[suzumebachi]

If there's 1 class the WoW community is better off without, it's huntards. They're the number one ninja looters and cause for group wipes (Having a pet reduces social dependancy, thus making them oblivious to how groups work), and the premium choice for bots/farmers.

oic. it's fine, l2play with good hunters (ie: get in a real guild).

[DJKarma]

If there's 1 class the WoW community is better off without, it's huntards. They're the number one ninja looters and cause for group wipes (Having a pet reduces social dependancy, thus making them oblivious to how groups work), and the premium choice for bots/farmers.

oic. it's fine, l2play with good hunters (ie: get in a real guild).

On my journey as a hunter, I've had a priest ask me to rez him, a warlock ask me to make him water, and a warrior tell me I would be using mend pet as main heals because hunters "aren't a DPS class."

Also:

http://wtbht.ytmnd.com/

I was bored.

[suzumebachi]

hahaha what kind of emo shit is that?

[The Author]

Most hybrid classes are missunderstood. While I was pvping with my shammy, people complained that I did not heal myself fast enough. Apparently nature swiftness is something all shammies have. As soon as you are not in a class with a clear role (IE Shamans, Hunters and Druids) people will complain about what you do.

[Bigfoot]

Don't you wish people would just play their own class and not try to play yours? lol

[The Author]

Don't you wish people would just play their own class and not try to play yours? lol

I know. Usually when someone complains about my build I ask them to change theirs. Usually for something useless. I used to say "go improved distract" to rogues as they are a whiny bunch (well, the 90% of the rogue population that don't know or research their class more than copying whatever her name was on the rogue forums...)

[Eten]

All hunters may not be idiots, just a sweeping amount of all hunters I've ever known/grouped with are. I know of only one exception, and he's a humble guy.

My feelings come from playing a warrior, tanking in any usual 5 man pugs. I never trust a hunter to make pulls. Now why would I never trust a class to make pulls when that class has abilities which make them the best pullers? Because they "got to excited" and pulled with multi-shot while the healer was AFK.

Why do I always ask the hunter to put their pet away, when their pet is a major part of their class? Because their use of a pet tends to hurt a party more than help the party.
What happens when a two-hand epic proc based rare sword drops from gen drak in ubrs? argh.

Any class can have idiots, but there is no other class as bad as hunters.

[i <3 robots]

]
http://wtbht.ytmnd.com/

I was bored.

I gave you ****

[The Author]

Level 68... flight form.

Druids have reasons to be happy.

[Sporknight]

Level 68... flight form.

Druids have reasons to be happy.

If druids get that, why cant locks/pallies get something along the same lines? How much are those nether drakes gonna cost, anyways? I know that flight form only has 60% speed instead of 100%, but still...

[Russell Cox]

JESUS TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST

Once again Blizzard gives absolutely no reasonable warning that the servers will be down for 36 hours, including that everyone will lose their friends/ignore list. Which makes no logical sense to me how the world's biggest MMO company who netted 80 million in it's first year of production can't backup and reload a simple text log...(I think they're deleting them on purpose).

Aswell the new priest talents/spells do not seem nearly that impressive, imo. In fact, they're just plain bullshit, besides the mass dispel which is nostalgic to WC3...which 90% of WoW has never heard/played...

It's been posted on the loading screen IN THE GAME for the past four days. Learn to pay attention.

]hunter talents
hunter talents.
hunter talents!
HUNTER TALENTS!
HUNTER TALENTS!

:cry:

Not in alpha atm, but I can post some changes for you to keep you interested.

Retail servers = 1 AGI: 2 RAP
Alpha = 1 AGI: 1 RAP

RAP is getting sliced in half for AGI whores, while the AGI:Crit ratio is being lowered to that of a Rogue's. Giantstalker, Dragonstalker, Cryptstalker, and Striker sets are re-itemized to reflect the changes to our RAP adjustment (i.e. AGI sliced, raw Attack Power added in to compensate).

Aimed Shot is being discussed of moving to Survival Tree, and the cooldown has been extended. It's 3 seconds cast, 6 seconds + RAW speed for cooldown (i.e. AshofSmite is 3.4, so Aimed cooldown is 9.4 now).

All previous epic RAWs have their damage variance boosted by a good 10 DPS, some slightly more. Eye of Nerub will not be reitemized, and thus is a piece of shit when looking ahead -- current "ultimate" weapon is the Claymore of Unholy Might due to changes.

Pets will be adjusted and have their stats boosted to make them more desirable in groups, as well as having new types of pets that can be trained and new abilities that can be taught. Discussion is about whether they're going to allow a base % of the Hunter's stats to be added to the pet in addition to the buffs.

New types of shots will be added, and from the sounds of things they're moving away from a physical DPS class to more caster oriented. Hunters will also gain incredible raid utility beyond DPS; FFXI veterans think of Thieves and their main draw to a group, what a Hunter does now better than anyone, and figure it out.

Talents are still unknown, and will likely remain so until the last push before closed beta.

(On a curious note, a friend of mine has an Owl trained from Shadowmoon Valley. It's an elite and is bugged while trained so that it retains ALL of its stats. So, she's leveling up with a pet that has 18K health, 12K armor, and a floating raw DPS of 450).

Hunter's Mark has a new animation. Looks pretty badass.

~~~

Some notes of interest.

Debuff and buff limit is being raised to 40 slots.

All HoTs will be able to be used on a single target. I.e. 3 priests = 3 Renews, 4 Druids = 4 Regrowths and 4 Rejuvs.

STA's item budget is being cut in half (i.e. more Stamina on items), so level 60 players of all sorts can expect their health to double by level 70 if they keep with gear progression. The Alliance side is collecting all Greens "..... of Stamina" and boosting a Warlock to see just how high it can go. Last I heard, at level 64 he had almost 12K health with Fortitude and Blood Pact.

In case you're wondering why, this was introduced to keep PvP from being about one-shotting people (aka AP + Trinket + Pyro, Warriors with Might of Menethil, etc.) and not resorting to lowering everyone's damage across the board.

Yes, there are new PvP rewards whiney bitches. Warriors/Paladins/Hunters drool:

Gladiator's Greatsword
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand -- Sword
348 - 523 Damage -- Speed 3.80
(114.6 damage per second)
+32 Strength
+48 Stamina
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves your critical strike rating by 32.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 33.

No, nothing is a typo from above.

+1% chance to crit/hit/etc. no longer exist as such. Instead, there will be ratings which basically are the same thing, but Blizzard can put in partial numbers instead of being hardlocked into full percents. (i.e. 14 critical rating = 1% crit at level 60; unknown how much is needed for the same at level 70).

ALL items will have a retroactive change to reflect this. This prevents blue items from being superior to all others (i.e. Blackhand's Breadth), since the ratings will be static, but the amount you need for a full crit (like AGI) rises with level.

Resilience = defense, but without the benefits of block/dodge/parry. Basically helps reduce your chances of being critted.

[suzumebachi]

ack. all my hunter's RAP comes from AGI so... I just pretty much got my DPS halved? well bullocks to that. extremely lame if you ask me. quite disappointing. i imagine all future raid whore hunter gear will be compensated with regular AP, but levelling to 70 as a gimp is not going to be fucking cool. not to mention trying to PvP as a gimp. they shouldn't have "fixed" what wasn't broken. also i have never played FFXI so i have no idea what you're talking about in relation to the "thief" crud.

all these hunter changes seem like they're actually leaning towards making melee hunters more viable (think about it... focusing on raw AP rather than ranged alone).

however moving aimed shot to survival makes no sense at all. :(

edit: i just got around to reading the druid talents... holy crap. i may just have to respec to either resto or oomkin (although the improved leader of the pack is also very nice). i'm curious as to what the tree of restoration looks like. that seems kind of interesting... mass amounts of instant heals. you should be able to cast innervate too at least, but still it should be pretty interesting. i may have to respec just to try it out.

[The Author]

Will rogues regain the top single target DPS rating or will they gain raid utility?

Because right now they got nothing going. People see rogues like jokes (and I'll admit, many people make it easy to laugh at rogues) and invite them to raids to fill up "superfluous" spots.

[Russell Cox]

Will rogues regain the top single target DPS rating or will they gain raid utility?

Because right now they got nothing going. People see rogues like jokes (and I'll admit, many people make it easy to laugh at rogues) and invite them to raids to fill up "superfluous" spots.

Any raid that gets Rogues just to "fill in slots" isn't too smart. From MC to about I'd say Princess Huhuran in Ahn'Qiraj Mages, Hunters, Rogues, Fury Warriors are about equal in DPS; after that Hunters fall off because of shitty itemization, Mages came in next, and then Rogues and FWs tied due to really incredible items.

Nowadays Rogues/Mages/Warriors are all pretty much tied depending on the actual fight right now, since the Mage review. Yeah, Fury Warriors will go past them but they have to watch aggro; a Rogue can push to about 60% of the boss's health, Vanish, and then go harder than the Fury Warrior can and come out on top if he's smart.

As far as further raid utility? I have no idea; we don't have any Rogues in the guild that have alpha keys so I can't comment. I'm actually hoping that what they plan on giving Hunters will go to Rogues, since it'll make more sense as they're frontline fighters. They were shitty in MC because of high armor, but now they're one of the tops if the player behind the Rogue is competent.

I can so though, to whoever asked about Shamans and DWing and how it plays out. First week, our Shaman specced enhancement and while he doesn't have kickass gear his is pretty solid. He put Rockbiter on his weapons; highest rank gave him 1200 AP per weapon.

At 62, he tore up a level 68 elite in 12 seconds.

So... yeah.

They've been toned down a bit since then (i.e. 'enchants' on weapons are regulated, haven't paid much attention), but Shamans will DEFINITELY be DPS classes with backup healing in raids now. Anyone sticking purely to healing won't be playing to their full potential, whereas now it's folly to do anything BUT heal.

ack. all my hunter's RAP comes from AGI so... I just pretty much got my DPS halved? well bullocks to that. extremely lame if you ask me. quite disappointing. i imagine all future raid whore hunter gear will be compensated with regular AP, but levelling to 70 as a gimp is not going to be fucking cool. not to mention trying to PvP as a gimp. they shouldn't have "fixed" what wasn't broken. also i have never played FFXI so i have no idea what you're talking about in relation to the "thief" crud.

all these hunter changes seem like they're actually leaning towards making melee hunters more viable (think about it... focusing on raw AP rather than ranged alone).

however moving aimed shot to survival makes no sense at all. :(

Like I said above, the current endgame armor for Hunters will be automatically adjusted when you install the expansion (or maybe even beforehand for patch 1.13, I dunno). Depending on what your rings, neck, cape, etc. are, your RAP will drop probably 200-250 at most, but you'll gain a good 6-7% crit. XXXXXX went from 28.40 crit on live to 43.86 crit on alpha witout a Mongoose or Grace of Air, so it'll go up a lot.

They're moving people away from the "slower = better" mentality (which isn't wholly accurate), and slowly gravitating to faster weapons.

Funny you should mention melee Hunters. STR = 2 MAP for us now. Battle Shout affects RAP now, Orc's Blood Fury affects RAP/+damage and healing as well (scaling with level).

Scorpid Sting was removed, and then replaced. It is now one rank that reduces the target's chance to hit with melee and ranged attacks by 5% for 20 seconds.

A new aspect is in the works that gives us a % of our INT converted to mana per 5, which is pretty godly for PvE shit. Expect Hunter to shift to a more caster oriented DPS class (shots, etc.) instead of the purely physical one we are now.

Oh yeah, Arcane Shot > Aimed Shot atm. Not sure if it's intended, but it's getting flat damage + 100% spell damage + 25% of your RAP score. Aimed and Arcane now have separate cooldowns.

[Terrisare]

what are all of your thoughts on shadow mend as the priest 41 pnt talent? I have to admit, as a shadow priest, Im not too thrilled, as healing wasnt that big of an issue compared to a bettter escape option/raid friendly damage spell. im so used to dropping shadow form for a quick flash heal that shadow mend seems pretty pointless.

[Ramaniscence]

JESUS TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST

Once again Blizzard gives absolutely no reasonable warning that the servers will be down for 36 hours, including that everyone will lose their friends/ignore list. Which makes no logical sense to me how the world's biggest MMO company who netted 80 million in it's first year of production can't backup and reload a simple text log...(I think they're deleting them on purpose).

Aswell the new priest talents/spells do not seem nearly that impressive, imo. In fact, they're just plain bullshit, besides the mass dispel which is nostalgic to WC3...which 90% of WoW has never heard/played...

It's been posted on the loading screen IN THE GAME for the past four days. Learn to pay attention.

Yea, except "in reality" he posted that WEEKS ago whent he FIRST batch of servers went down for extended maintence. Blizzard posted the first advisory at around 9PM the DAY BEFORE, so if you didn't log on that night, you didn't know your server was gonna be down for 36 hours AND your friends list was gonna be gone until you tried to log back in after normal maintence would USUALLY be over.

So before you go correcting someone, you might wanna check the dates on the posts.

Or otherwise "Learn to pay attention."

[suzumebachi]

I called that Greenpeen guy a faygala thinking it was you. He was like "wut!??!?" and I was like "err doug?" and he was like "no" and I was like "oh ok". Then I watched a retarded priest aggro a bunch of mobs and die and then he got pissed and followed me around for like 3 hours because I didn't go out of my way to save his stupid ass. He even got an alliance mage friend he had to start following me around trying to get me to attack him or something.

It was weird.

[Ramaniscence]

I called that Greenpeen guy a faygala thinking it was you. He was like "wut!??!?" and I was like "err doug?" and he was like "no" and I was like "oh ok". Then I watched a retarded priest aggro a bunch of mobs and die and then he got pissed and followed me around for like 3 hours because I didn't go out of my way to save his stupid ass. He even got an alliance mage friend he had to start following me around trying to get me to attack him or something.

It was weird.


LOL!! Yea, Marco was on his own character today...and I was on mine. I didn't fricken see you? What the crap, hoe.

[Russell Cox]

JESUS TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST

Once again Blizzard gives absolutely no reasonable warning that the servers will be down for 36 hours, including that everyone will lose their friends/ignore list. Which makes no logical sense to me how the world's biggest MMO company who netted 80 million in it's first year of production can't backup and reload a simple text log...(I think they're deleting them on purpose).

Aswell the new priest talents/spells do not seem nearly that impressive, imo. In fact, they're just plain bullshit, besides the mass dispel which is nostalgic to WC3...which 90% of WoW has never heard/played...

It's been posted on the loading screen IN THE GAME for the past four days. Learn to pay attention.

Yea, except "in reality" he posted that WEEKS ago whent he FIRST batch of servers went down for extended maintence. Blizzard posted the first advisory at around 9PM the DAY BEFORE, so if you didn't log on that night, you didn't know your server was gonna be down for 36 hours AND your friends list was gonna be gone until you tried to log back in after normal maintence would USUALLY be over.

So before you go correcting someone, you might wanna check the dates on the posts.

Or otherwise "Learn to pay attention."

Again, incorrect. The first batch of servers involved Azgalor where my Paladin resides, and it was there a few days beforehand because I remember having to remind Joe the day before to not get any plans on playing his Paladin for the next two days.

Nice try, learn2readloadingscreen.

[Russell Cox]

what are all of your thoughts on shadow mend as the priest 41 pnt talent? I have to admit, as a shadow priest, Im not too thrilled, as healing wasnt that big of an issue compared to a bettter escape option/raid friendly damage spell. im so used to dropping shadow form for a quick flash heal that shadow mend seems pretty pointless.

I see it as a toy more than a real bonus. The Priest talents are really lackluster. Hell, aside from Paladin, Shaman, and Warlock they all seem lackluster to me.

[The Author]

Rogue was good... however, the good talents could only fill one and a half tree...

[Ramaniscence]

Again, incorrect. The first batch of servers involved Azgalor where my Paladin resides, and it was there a few days beforehand because I remember having to remind Joe the day before to not get any plans on playing his Paladin for the next two days.

Nice try, learn2readloadingscreen.

Announcement on extended maintence was made:

Maintenance Tuesday 09/12/06 | 09/11/2006 11:29:05 PM UTC

9/11 at 11:29 PM

Agamaggan
Alexstrasza
Alleria
Azshara
Balnazzar
Blackhand
Cho'gall
Dark Iron
Destromath
Dethecus
Detheroc
Emerald Dream
Garona
Greymane
Gorgonnash
Gul'dan
Hel@*%*eam
Illidan
Kael'thas
Kalecgos
Kirin Tor
Lightninghoof
Maelstrom
Malfurion
Moonrunner
Sargeras
Spinebreaker
Staghelm
Stormreaver
Twisted Nether
Ursin
Whisperwind
WildHammer

Azgalor is NOT on that list.

And THIS is the maintence that me and him were both talking about that we got NO notice on.

Next rebuttle?

Edit:

In fact if you check THE THREAD ON THE WOW WEBSITE (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21262587&sid=1) you see posts like:

* Re: Maintenance Tuesday 09/12/06 | 09/11/2006 11:41:06 PM UTC

quote reply

Wow, that's extremely short notice. I've posted on the Eldre'Thalas realm forum and my guild forum in hopes of getting the word out as wide and fast as possible, as I know a lot of people are going to be annoyed at losing their friends lists.

and




* 17. Re: Maintenance Tuesday 09/12/06 | 09/11/2006 11:44:58 PM UTC

quote reply

"Tuesday, September 12th the following realms will be down from 12:01 AM PDT until Wednesday September 13th at 12:00 PM PDT: "

Wait, so you're taking servers down for a day and a half, and you're telling us about 8 hours beforehand? And you planned this downtime? Are you...are you insane?


CASE.

IN.

POINT.

kthx.

[Russell Cox]

CASE.

IN.

POINT.

kthx.

Again, incorrect. Learn2copypaste and fucking read.

Select Realm Hardware Upgrades - 9/7 & 9/8 | 09/06/2006 09:03:39 PM PDT
We will be performing hardware retrofits for the following realms as part of our long term realm performance improvement plans and due to the requirements for implementing this new hardware we will be working through an extended maintenance plan.

The maintenance for these realms is scheduled to begin at 12:01 AM PDT, Thursday September 7 and conclude at approximately 12:01 PM PDT, Friday September 8. During this time paid character transfers will be disabled. We appreciate your understanding and patience as we work to improve realm performance and stability through our continued hardware upgrade plans.

Due to the nature of these hardware upgrades, we’re unable to preserve the friends and ignore list for characters on these realms. We recommend that players take the necessary steps to back up this information, and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Aggramar
Argent Dawn
Arthas
Azgalor
Bleeding Hollow
Bloodhoof
Burning Blade
Burning Legion
Durotan
Earthen Ring
Elune
Eonar
Eredar
Gilneas
Gorefiend
Kargath
Laughing Skull
Lightning's Blade
Llane
Lothar
Magtheridon
Malygos
Mannoroth
Medivh
Shadow Moon
Shattered Hand
Skullcrusher
Stormrage
Thunderhorn
Thunderlord
Warsong
Zul'jin

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19712082&sid=1

Like I said, Azgalor was on the first batch. But, I guess you weren't smart enough to notice I said it was during the week, and not Tuesday like your illiterate friend.

First of all, not every god damn notice is on those boards. Stormscale(US) just had their 1.5 day maintainence this past Tuesday but it's not mentioned anywhere. I guess by your fucked up logic it DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE NO BLUE POST ON WOW FORUMS ROFLAMSKSDSD!!1!111oine!!!1 And, when they DO post on the Realm Status forum it's after or during the fact -- notice how the stupid ass post you listed is written DURING the damn maintainence? Funny how you managed to ignore that.

Second of all, if you or he had fucking read the L O G I N S C R E E N you would have known it was listed days before it happened. You know, the bigass block of text to the left of where you put in user name and password? Yeah, that's where your advisory was, and it came over the weekend. You're going to use WoW forum posts from dumbasses that STILL ask why the game was taken down "for no reason" every Tuesday, why healing is 'obviously' catered to women, and people that lists fucking reasons why Blizzard should ROLL BACK their characters because the dumb shits attacked a Dragonkin during the Stormwind Onyxia event, leveled, and fucked up their twinked level 29 character? Yeah, real intelligent decision there Bucko!

Lastly, it was posted, in BOLD FUCKING FONT, on the G E N E R A L forums, stickied at the top JUST like it was for Stormscale's maintainence this past week. If dumbasses like he can't read and look around themsleves, I don't feel any pity.

Jesus Christ, how god damn stupid can you be? You're trying too hard.

[Ramaniscence]

CASE.

IN.

POINT.

kthx.

Again, incorrect. Learn2copypaste and fucking read.

Select Realm Hardware Upgrades - 9/7 & 9/8 | 09/06/2006 09:03:39 PM PDT
We will be performing hardware retrofits for the following realms as part of our long term realm performance improvement plans and due to the requirements for implementing this new hardware we will be working through an extended maintenance plan.

The maintenance for these realms is scheduled to begin at 12:01 AM PDT, Thursday September 7 and conclude at approximately 12:01 PM PDT, Friday September 8. During this time paid character transfers will be disabled. We appreciate your understanding and patience as we work to improve realm performance and stability through our continued hardware upgrade plans.

Due to the nature of these hardware upgrades, we’re unable to preserve the friends and ignore list for characters on these realms. We recommend that players take the necessary steps to back up this information, and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Aggramar
Argent Dawn
Arthas
Azgalor
Bleeding Hollow
Bloodhoof
Burning Blade
Burning Legion
Durotan
Earthen Ring
Elune
Eonar
Eredar
Gilneas
Gorefiend
Kargath
Laughing Skull
Lightning's Blade
Llane
Lothar
Magtheridon
Malygos
Mannoroth
Medivh
Shadow Moon
Shattered Hand
Skullcrusher
Stormrage
Thunderhorn
Thunderlord
Warsong
Zul'jin

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19712082&sid=1

Like I said, Azgalor was on the first batch. But, I guess you weren't smart enough to notice I said it was during the week, and not Tuesday like your illiterate friend.

First of all, not every god damn notice is on those boards. Stormscale(US) just had their 1.5 day maintainence this past Tuesday but it's not mentioned anywhere. I guess by your fucked up logic it DID NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE NO BLUE POST ON WOW FORUMS ROFLAMSKSDSD!!1!111oine!!!1 And, when they DO post on the Realm Status forum it's after or during the fact -- notice how the stupid ass post you listed is written DURING the damn maintainence? Funny how you managed to ignore that.

Second of all, if you or he had fucking read the L O G I N S C R E E N you would have known it was listed days before it happened. You know, the bigass block of text to the left of where you put in user name and password? Yeah, that's where your advisory was, and it came over the weekend. You're going to use WoW forum posts from dumbasses that STILL ask why the game was taken down "for no reason" every Tuesday, why healing is 'obviously' catered to women, and people that lists fucking reasons why Blizzard should ROLL BACK their characters because the dumb shits attacked a Dragonkin during the Stormwind Onyxia event, leveled, and fucked up their twinked level 29 character? Yeah, real intelligent decision there Bucko!

Lastly, it was posted, in BOLD FUCKING FONT, on the G E N E R A L forums, stickied at the top JUST like it was for Stormscale's maintainence this past week. If dumbasses like he can't read and look around themsleves, I don't feel any pity.

Jesus Christ, how god damn stupid can you be? You're trying too hard.

I really have no idea what 90% of what you're spouting off about means, or how it's relevant. When Illidan went down on the 12th, along with whatever server Sinsay played on, there was NO FUCKING NOTICE on the RIGHT SIDE. And when they DID post it, it was time stamped the SAME as that forum post. 11 PM the night before.

If it WERE on the forums BEFORE that, I didn't see it because I don't read the WoW forums. I just read the LOG-ON SCREEN.

So apparently me, him, and all those people who mentioned it on the forums MIRACULOUSLY MISSED the message that YOU claim was there for DAYS before. And I don't have a fricken time machine to go back and screenshot the damn logon screen when it WAS time stamped, but there was NO notice given before it was taken down for 36 hours and that our friends list were gonna be wiped until 8 hours before it happened.

There have been for everyone SINCE, but for that specific one, there WAS NOT.

[Zutnunzor]

So has anyone else here ever gotten their account hacked/hijacked? Just wondering... It happened to me earlier this week, Lost all my items and gold... Absolutely terrible. Still waiting on the GM service, since their fax number didn't work, so I had to mail them my info (I live on the east coast, they live in Cali).

[GeckoYamori]

The only service you'll get is having your account locked for up to 2 weeks, with no gold or equipment given back to you.

[A.M.P.]

I just got half of the tunderfury bindings on my rogue in a PuG MC the other day. It made me laugh a lot. It was a hell of a fight with Geddon though. The first guy who became the bomb was a dipshit and killed about nine people. By the end of the fight it was down to a warrior tanking, a shaman and a priest healing, and me doing whatever DPS I could. The final 3% health took forever to get down. It was really funny cause the tank screamed on vent "Fuck this!" and instantly switched to his 2-hander. Woooo, I'm half-way to a gigantic bill.

[Ramaniscence]

So...I'm in AB today. And I'm with 3 other priests. We're all 29. We're goin' up to the lumber mill and there's a level 29 pally up there. We sheild, all 3 Shadow Word: Pain, accordingly. I know I did DP, iduno if they did. Shadow Weaving was stacked 5 times, and we all 3 spammed Mind Flay, and he survives.

How.
In.
The.
HELL?

[Zutnunzor]

oh my god its the mega twinks

[Eten]

I just got half of the tunderfury bindings on my rogue in a PuG MC the other day. It made me laugh a lot. It was a hell of a fight with Geddon though. The first guy who became the bomb was a dipshit and killed about nine people. By the end of the fight it was down to a warrior tanking, a shaman and a priest healing, and me doing whatever DPS I could. The final 3% health took forever to get down. It was really funny cause the tank screamed on vent "Fuck this!" and instantly switched to his 2-hander. Woooo, I'm half-way to a gigantic bill.

Teh warrior was dumb. His auto-attack with a two-hander over sword n' board is a pretty crappy trade-off for the increase of incoming damage.

All he had to do was switch to battle stance and spam execute. He'd probably out-DPS YOU spamming execute while tanking, and execute damage is not effected by AP/weapon at all.

OMG yay on the tunderfury binding! Good luck on getting the rest of thunderfury.

[GeckoYamori]

So...I'm in AB today. And I'm with 3 other priests. We're all 29. We're goin' up to the lumber mill and there's a level 29 pally up there. We sheild, all 3 Shadow Word: Pain, accordingly. I know I did DP, iduno if they did. Shadow Weaving was stacked 5 times, and we all 3 spammed Mind Flay, and he survives.

How.
In.
The.
HELL?

+9 stamina on bracers
+7 stamina on boots
+100hp on head
+100hp on chest

Etc, etc.

[Ramaniscence]

So I just watched that South Park episode...and apparently the Horde doesn't exist....at all.

Alliance biased, much?

COol seeing the Diablo box and hearing the in-game music, though.

[The Author]

So...I'm in AB today. And I'm with 3 other priests. We're all 29. We're goin' up to the lumber mill and there's a level 29 pally up there. We sheild, all 3 Shadow Word: Pain, accordingly. I know I did DP, iduno if they did. Shadow Weaving was stacked 5 times, and we all 3 spammed Mind Flay, and he survives.

How.
In.
The.
HELL?

+9 stamina on bracers
+7 stamina on boots
+100hp on head
+100hp on chest

Etc, etc.

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools. Simply manaburn him. Paladins are meant to do 2 things: take damage and heal. That and dispel magic.

As a shammy I would use purges more that shocks when fighting pallies.

They seal? I purge.

They bless? I purge.

It worked.

Next time you see a pally, use dispel magic and manaburn. They only have one interrupt and it has a long cooldown.

[Ramaniscence]

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools. Simply manaburn him. Paladins are meant to do 2 things: take damage and heal. That and dispel magic.

As a shammy I would use purges more that shocks when fighting pallies.

They seal? I purge.

They bless? I purge.

It worked.

Next time you see a pally, use dispel magic and manaburn. They only have one interrupt and it has a long cooldown.

Yea, that's what a friend of mine said. Mana burn the crap out of them.

Also: Yay for level 60 dwarf warrior camping Grom's Memorial @ 4 AM. Playing WoW on a highly populated PvP server has given me a hatred for Alliance like none other. 6600XP for that quest @ lvl 30, though. Good form.

[KakTheInfected]

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools.

I've killed plenty of paladins using only rage...

[The Author]

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools.

I've killed plenty of paladins using only rage...

Yeah but if I would have said any statement about any class you would have pointed out having killed some of them. As a warrior, you have only one option: outdps the healing. You have that option.

[Captain Huge!]

So...I'm in AB today. And I'm with 3 other priests. We're all 29. We're goin' up to the lumber mill and there's a level 29 pally up there. We sheild, all 3 Shadow Word: Pain, accordingly. I know I did DP, iduno if they did. Shadow Weaving was stacked 5 times, and we all 3 spammed Mind Flay, and he survives.

How.
In.
The.
HELL?

+9 stamina on bracers
+7 stamina on boots
+100hp on head
+100hp on chest

Etc, etc.

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools. Simply manaburn him. Paladins are meant to do 2 things: take damage and heal. That and dispel magic.

As a shammy I would use purges more that shocks when fighting pallies.

They seal? I purge.

They bless? I purge.

It worked.

Next time you see a pally, use dispel magic and manaburn. They only have one interrupt and it has a long cooldown.

You get two stuns if your a ret nub like me :D

[The Author]

So...I'm in AB today. And I'm with 3 other priests. We're all 29. We're goin' up to the lumber mill and there's a level 29 pally up there. We sheild, all 3 Shadow Word: Pain, accordingly. I know I did DP, iduno if they did. Shadow Weaving was stacked 5 times, and we all 3 spammed Mind Flay, and he survives.

How.
In.
The.
HELL?

+9 stamina on bracers
+7 stamina on boots
+100hp on head
+100hp on chest

Etc, etc.

Paladins are unkillable unless you hit their mana pools. Simply manaburn him. Paladins are meant to do 2 things: take damage and heal. That and dispel magic.

As a shammy I would use purges more that shocks when fighting pallies.

They seal? I purge.

They bless? I purge.

It worked.

Next time you see a pally, use dispel magic and manaburn. They only have one interrupt and it has a long cooldown.

You get two stuns if your a ret nub like me :D

And if you were like my pally, you had 3, a 1 hour spell breaker as well (cloacking device) and lots of other options.

Still, on average, the pallies will have 1 interrupt readily available. And its not even a counterspell, so just fear him away, dispel his crap, and burn his mana.

I can only think of one build able to survive that, and it will not be able to out damage your healing. My holy priest was once attacked by a shadow priest 5 levels higher. I outhealed the damage for about 5 minutes, he eventually gave up.

I still laugh when I think about it.

[sephfire]

I'm finally caving in and downloading the 10-day trial. If I do eventually decide to purchase this game, you guys will have to tell me which server to join.

[GeckoYamori]

I am looking for an addon that can show me my spell crit chance percentage. Any pointers?

[OA]

I am looking for an addon that can show me my spell crit chance percentage. Any pointers?

theorycraft

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3031-1-theorycraft.html

[CE]

Where can I get the 10 day trial for this?

[MetalMeleeMaster]

Mmmm. Figured I'd finally post here.

I've got an Undead warlock, and most people bitch and complain about them all day and night. Paladins and hunters are my worst nightmares, and I'm level 53 as of this moment in time. Gonna PM the rest of my crap later, but I'm not on any of the servers listed here :(

[DJKarma]

I only come in this thread to vent my frustration for the lack of hunter talents.

HUNTER TALENTS.

[Raenok]

Who knew role-playing could be so...fun? Of course, I only role-play on the WoW forums, but it's enough. I MIGHT transfer my character to an RP realm, though. Not sure if it would be worth it. I'd just need a guild to take me in, otherwise, I'm screwed.

Then again, I AM in a guild right now, but fortanately, I don't do much there anyways. Maybe I'll just not take anything from raids once I it 60, then transfer. Then again, I may not. Who knows?

I feel alone...and it's very likely I'll be eaten by Scourge now. F***.

[Sporknight]

]I only come in this thread to vent my frustration for the lack of hunter talents.

HUNTER TALENTS.

If you haven't checked by now, they're up yet.

Also, WoW has been randomly crashing again and again for me...I ran the Blizzard Repair thing once, and I'm doing it again. I think I'll need to reinstall it, though. Lucky for me, I'm coming home this Friday, so I can do that, but I think it's gonna turn out to be a much longer week than I thought...

[Bren]

damnation...beastmastery for pvp will be INSANE now...what with hunters going into a frenzy too and immune to crowd control every 2 minutes...yikes :x

[The Author]

I can hear the casters crying because of the silent shot.

[Solid Krono]

I can hear the casters crying because of the silent shot.

At first I thought you said "I can't hear the casters crying because of the silent shot" which made it kind of funny :lol:. nice move though, makes me want to lvl up my hunter again.

[Blake]

I ran four 45 min Barons last night and didn't succeed in one of them, but DID however pick up a Skullflame shield and my legplates of valor. Anybody have some tips for finishing this 45 min Baron?

And another question about tier .5 quests. Do you HAVE to upgrade your legs, shoulders, AND boots before you can upgrade your chestpiece and helm? Cuz I have all of the valor pieces except the boots (damn they never drop). Btw I'm a warrior.

[Eten]

I ran four 45 min Barons last night and didn't succeed in one of them, but DID however pick up a Skullflame shield and my legplates of valor. Anybody have some tips for finishing this 45 min Baron?

And another question about tier .5 quests. Do you HAVE to upgrade your legs, shoulders, AND boots before you can upgrade your chestpiece and helm? Cuz I have all of the valor pieces except the boots (damn they never drop). Btw I'm a warrior.

Yay another warrior(if your valor hints and whatnot didn't make it obvious.)

Horde or Alliance? I recommend priest/shaman/rogue/mage/warrior as your group. Elemental shaman will be stronger than most other shamans in this situation, but it isn't required- he just has to have the mana pool to alternate as the backup healer while dropping windfury totem. If it is alliance I assume pally for... whatever a pally does. Lot's of undead so it must work ok.

The 45 min baron is all about very smart/fast pulling and extremely high DPS. And I mean EXTREMELY high DPS. The goal is to be able to kill mobs so quickly that you hardly take any damage and can drop one pull after another pull almost instantly. It is possible without insane gear- my first time everybody was in their blues and .5.

Have the shaman or mage pull casters with counterspell/earthshock if it wasn't obvious. As a warrior, you get to DPS tank! Use a two-hander and put on most of your DPS gear. Just don't gimp your health so too much. Why do this? The goal is to maximize DPS- you want both the mage and the rogue to just be able to just unload without you threat limit as a restraint along with doing enough damage. When a warrior tanks in DPS gear, two-hander, and w/ windfury, you get to be in happy fun rage land. Just don't forget that even when tanking through DPS, you should still use defensive stance.

The only person who doesn't DPS is the priest. The priest should be all about mana conservation to be able to keep moving with almost zero downtime. It isn't difficult. The mage and shaman should have level 55 water and be prepared to get a few seconds of water every small chance they get.

My first attempt was with a group that worked like this and we completed it in 38 minutes. It was probably the most fun I've ever had in WoW- I specifically suggest being 31/20 as a build for a warrior(or you can't go wrong with tanking the whole thing traditionally with sword/shield and deep into protection). It just works better. Wear a shield and your tanking gear on the spider boss, and against all the bile spewers and vile belchers, ramstien, the event mobs, and Baron. Everything else should be done with a two-hander and DPS gear. The hardest part is getting past the baronnes- you've got a team of complete DPS freaks, you might get to watch yourself get mindcontrolled and then two-shot the poor mage.

Use consumables for that extra edge and you'll have a fun time! Oh, and sell that skullflame shield on the AH for money.

You are summoning the bat boss in scholo for the boots right? That is the only place I know that they drop. You have to do the .5 quests upgrades in order. I'm stuck on trying to get my legplates of valor, have everything else and can't get my hands on those awesome boots of heroism because of that.

Oh, and as a warrior, I highly suggest you get a priest friend NOW to tag along with you for all these quests. Most of the .5 quest specific bosses drop Ironweave- and PvP is insane if you have a priest in plate to watch your back.

[Captain Huge!]

Who knew role-playing could be so...fun? Of course, I only role-play on the WoW forums, but it's enough. I MIGHT transfer my character to an RP realm, though. Not sure if it would be worth it. I'd just need a guild to take me in, otherwise, I'm screwed.

Then again, I AM in a guild right now, but fortanately, I don't do much there anyways. Maybe I'll just not take anything from raids once I it 60, then transfer. Then again, I may not. Who knows?

I feel alone...and it's very likely I'll be eaten by Scourge now. F***.

RP servers suck. I played on one. It gets incredibly boring at high level...then again I dont roleplay. I only went there to be with my friend. Go to RPPVP if your going to switch to RP.