Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening: Threshold of a Dream - History

[Dafydd]

I didn't ask you to run around the thread looking for it... we weren't to post our urls in the open, remember? :) I PM'ed you last time and the url is the same. I'll PM you again.

Anyway, by the looks of that list you just posted, it certainly does look like we're in dire need of additional remixers.

[Sixto]

didn't you get run over by a forklift or something ridiculous like that?

Yeah, crushed my shoulder, which is still in pretty bad shape, but I can move my arm enough to play guitar if I sit leaning way back and lean to the right and hold the guitar almost completely vertically. Uncomfortable and painful, but I don't really care.

[prophetik]

didn't you get run over by a forklift or something ridiculous like that?

Yeah, crushed my shoulder, which is still in pretty bad shape, but I can move my arm enough to play guitar if I sit leaning way back and lean to the right and hold the guitar almost completely vertically. Uncomfortable and painful, but I don't really care.

HARD-CORE SIXTO SOUND

if we need more mixers, talk to Cerrax Records (i think that's his forum name). he's pretty good at electronica, and he has some strong orchestral influences that he brings into his music that really helps.

[Dafydd]

He'd probably be up for it. Keeps posting a new WiP every other week or so. Dunno if he ever finishes what he starts, but hey.

[prophetik]

He'd probably be up for it. Keeps posting a new WiP every other week or so. Dunno if he ever finishes what he starts, but hey.

he does finish them, he just never updates them =) he tends to use less arrangement than most, and might need a guiding hand once in a while, but he's solid on his synthesis, and he's good at electronic orchestral stuff.

[Aetherius]

Has anyone seen or heard from the people I have marked as AWOL? they all had good wips, and just kinda disappeared.

I sent a PM to Cerrax

[Dafydd]

SirRus was the real loss there.

[Aetherius]

Hey, don't pick favourites.

Dafydd's wip:

mmkay, I'm not liking that pizz string thing you've got going for the bass in the first section. For one, its attack is too slow, which offsets it with the music. For two, it just doesn't quite sound right. If maybe you had an acoustic bass or a fingered bass that was a little quieter instead. something a little more percussive.

The bass in the second section I'm not so sure of either. It sounds alright, but either it's so low that it makes some of the notes unable to be discerned, or it's too muddy.

The new piano section is alright, but there's nothing that really ties it to the turtle rock theme. The mixing in that section is also not that great. The piano is barely audible over the bass and drums.

I suggest that you PM a copy to the Prophet as well, to see what he thinks. I think that having a piano bit at the end would be fine, but I still think that you should come up with a enw one that actually fits the theme of the original song.

[ShinnyMetal]

Shinny Metal ---> Wants to remix all of the songs. I say no.


:P I just offered cause I was extremely bored and...was in a music making mood *goes insane for no apparent reason*

Hey guys, well I just moved from my apartment, and am moving into a new place, currently cleaning, etc. I have yet to set up my computer too. But I will be able to do mix work probably by the end of this week. So I haven't dropped off the face of the earth.

kk...just get me the songs and stuff as soon as you can. cya then

[Dafydd]

Meh, sorry. Yeah, I agree on most of what you said. The piano theme doesn't quite fit in, but then again, what would? Also, I'm really confused about the bass. I've tried a whole bunch of bass samples and they keep ending up muddy like that.

About the pizz: I actually made the attack slower because prophet didn't like it at first. After a few listens, though, it's become clear that I need to compensate this lack of attack by playing the notes earlier or something.

[Cerrax]

He'd probably be up for it. Keeps posting a new WiP every other week or so. Dunno if he ever finishes what he starts, but hey.

he does finish them, he just never updates them =) he tends to use less arrangement than most, and might need a guiding hand once in a while, but he's solid on his synthesis, and he's good at electronic orchestral stuff.

Thanks Proph. I've so many things going on lately its been hard to keep up. Plus no one has posted anything new in the Pokemon project so I'm not far behind. Hell, my Viridian Forest wip is pretty much done except for some production issues! And if no one posts a Burnt Tower mix soon, I'm taking it because I had a great wip for it and everything!

Anyway... What songs are available to be mixed? I wanted to join this project but I didn't think I was good enough for it. Thanks for recommending me.

[Aetherius]

If you're on the right track, we can all help you workshop your mix, but there's only so much we can do. I trust The Prophet's judgement, and you seem to get lots of practice, so just try to follow the rules and make something sweetacular.

[prophetik]

what was this about pm-ing me a link to dafydd's mix?

cerrax, i can't wait to see what you get together. what track are you going to pick?

[prophetik]

ok, i finally listened to this.

i think you should take out the 16th notes in the pizz bass thing at :15 or so. it sounds like a skip in the recording, it's really off in some way.

production isn't anything to write home about. it works.

the whole dreamy feel is cool, and works well, i think. the vox pads (i hate vox pads in general) work, i guess. no real super problems.

good beats. i still like that entrance thing. the bass is REALLY low - like, it sounds an octave low or something. it's super growly down there. it also sounds like it's soley composed of bass, no real treble for the attack. it starts to overpower on good systems.

the piano thing is cool. granted, there isn't much source material in there, but i think that he sets up the backgrounds to relate to the source material well enough that it still seems like the same song. there isn't much to ReMix here, and you need to keep that in mind when listening to something like this.

overall? i like it. it sounds good. aeth might be able to help out a bit on the mastering side of it - i've always said that my mastering skills are less than average, if you know what i mean.

good work, dafydd.

[Dafydd]

production isn't anything to write home about.


LOL :) No, I guess not. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong... Why is it all so muddy? Even without the bass, I mean. The EQ bar does even reach red... I'll mess around with the EQ some and try to improve that. I'm also looking for a more suitable bass, and a better transition between the original theme section and the piano section.

it starts to overpower on good systems

In other words...? What?

[prophetik]

production isn't anything to write home about.


LOL :) No, I guess not. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong... Why is it all so muddy? Even without the bass, I mean. The EQ bar does even reach red... I'll mess around with the EQ some and try to improve that. I'm also looking for a more suitable bass, and a better transition between the original theme section and the piano section.

it starts to overpower on good systems

In other words...? What?

there's too much bass freqs in the mix on my system. basically, if you've got a system (or headphones) with a decent sub, it's too much bass, and it muddles everything else. do you have a visual equalizer? something that lets you see what the different freqs are doing (like the EQUO in FL6)? you'd see tat the bass freqs are just too much on the kick drum and the bass in the bigbeat section.

[Dafydd]

Yeah, well, I tried to meddle with the EQ settings in reason, and whenever I managed to get the bass frequencies not to muddle everything else, there was hardly any bass left... :-/

[Aetherius]

well, One: raise your bassline by an octave, and see how that sounds.
Two: if you have reverb on it, make the 'room' smaller, or dump it all together.
Three: try to get a 30 band EQ on it, and lower the four or five bars on far left to about half, and you might lose a lot of that rumbly crap without losing too much of the sound (most of the bass sound comes from the mid-lows as opposed to the really low-lows. Not to be mistaken with the low-mids...)

Something else you might try, Make a wav of ONLY the bassline, and then send it to me, and I'll try to make it less icky. The only trouble there is that I wouldn't have the full song to judge how it compares.

Try to give those three a shot.

[Dafydd]

well, One: raise your bassline by an octave, and see how that sounds.

Whoa. That sucked.

Two: if you have reverb on it, make the 'room' smaller, or dump it all together.

I don't have any reverb on the bass... I have chorus/flanger and compressors though, none of which seem to help much in either direction.

Three: try to get a 30 band EQ on it, and lower the four or five bars on far left to about half, and you might lose a lot of that rumbly crap without losing too much of the sound (most of the bass sound comes from the mid-lows as opposed to the really low-lows. Not to be mistaken with the low-mids...)

Something else you might try, Make a wav of ONLY the bassline, and then send it to me, and I'll try to make it less icky. The only trouble there is that I wouldn't have the full song to judge how it compares.

Try to give those three a shot.

Will do.

[Sixto]

PM'd you a link to my WIP, Aeth.

[Aetherius]

Sixto's mix is looking good. Keep working at it, folks.

[prophetik]

Sixto's mix is looking good. Keep working at it, folks.

i tried to access epo's site a little while ago, and it was totally not working. what's going on with that?

also, i wonder if we can get an update on that site in terms of where people are with their mix.

[Aetherius]

I neglected to mention that Epo is AWOL as well

[prophetik]

I neglected to mention that Epo is AWOL as well

oh, that's cool.

the fact that that was your 666th post is ominous as well.

[Dafydd]

I wonder which one was my 666th. Would be pretty cool to keep it there, by removing your oldest post every time you make a new one. :-D



I neglected to mention that Epo is AWOL as well


oh, that's cool.

Actually, that's not cool. I liked that site.

[prophetik]

I wonder which one was my 666th. Would be pretty cool to keep it there, by removing your oldest post every time you make a new one. :-D



I neglected to mention that Epo is AWOL as well


oh, that's cool.

Actually, that's not cool. I liked that site.

[/sarcasm]

[Eposhark]

sup nigs =)

been extremely busy, I even haven't got the time to finish this sente

[Dafydd]

I wonder which one was my 666th. Would be pretty cool to keep it there, by removing your oldest post every time you make a new one. :-D



I neglected to mention that Epo is AWOL as well


oh, that's cool.

Actually, that's not cool. I liked that site.

[/sarcasm]

doh.

Anyway, he certainly does look busy... *peeks at above post*

[Siamey]

i might do it if zelda wasnt gay as fuLOL JUST KIDDING I ACTUALLY DONT HAVE TIME BUT BEST OF LUCK TO YOU STARKY AND EVERYONE

[Dafydd]

... right... (in a hugh grant kind of way)

[Aetherius]

LIEK OMG THIS IS A POST WITH INFORMATION IN IT, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO READ IT HAWW HAWWRR!

mmmmkaugh. I've finially finished that stupid Super Street Fighter 2 Remix, so, now I've gotta begin work on my Zelda mix (because I'm lazy like that). Anyway, I've got limited intarweb access, because my mom's also lazy. (runs in the family.) ...Anywhoo, get to work, find prizm, and do stuff, foolios.

I want to hear a wip from SPC1st, I want to hear if Dafydd has been able to succeed in his remastering/re-ending. I want to know wtf's up with Chris McGee, I want to know where Monobrow is. I want Shinny Metal to fix that stuff I've been telling him to fix for probably 6 months, and I want the prophet to continue kicking ass. I want Epo to return, and work on that website. I want Eon Blue to work on designing our website. I want to know where the heck Hadyn is, and where the heck Ichitootah went. I want all of these things, but I fear I will have to wait longer than I want to for them.


That said, everyone, if you see any of those people around in webland, rough 'em up LA style, and make sure they're still working. I'll be doing the same.

MAKE PROGRESS>
GO REMIX, LITTLE LAkids

[Eposhark]

Let me reshizz that website, I'll be working on it, keep my next posts close, for they will BEAR THE INFORMATION ON THE LAPROJECT WEBSITE.

jo

[Eposhark]

Ok, I'm getting the website back up. Here's what I want you all to do. Everyone (that is, all mixers) of you, you have 2 options:

1. You send me an e-mail (epo[at]chello.be) with your latest wip version attached, and you tell me how much percent you're done. After that, I'll upload it to the site so everyone can see it, hear it, and comment on it.

2. You reply in this thread, leaving behind a link to your latest version, stating how much percent done you consider it. After that, I'll upload it to the site so everyone can see it, hear it, and comment on it.

Fairly simple, right? So, in short, I want to see mails/replies from these people:

Sixto, chthonic, Fusion2004, GeoffreyTaucer, Iggy Koopa, KungFuChicken, Hadyn, Monobrow, Shinny Metal, The Joker, Chris McGee, The Prophet of Mephisto, Rexy, Dafydd, Rexy, GrayLightning, Spc1st, Aetherius, Ichitootah, SirRus.

I don't know the latest drama, so if someone dropped out or got in, please let me know so I can adjust this list.

The first one to reply gets a Hyrule present.

[Hadyn]

Well, you wanted to know where I was... I'm here.

Like I said from the start, I couldn't guarentee my involvement in this project. Right now I'm very, very busy with my life. I have final assignments to get finished and freelance graphics work to get done before I get into a new web design job at a firm in a week or two. I'm doing all this whilst trying to set up plans for my own games design team starting later this year. Needless to say, I haven't had much time to work on my art or music, and sadly I've made no progress on my track for this project.

I might finish it one day, but then I might not - it's upto you if you want to risk waiting for me or not... I'm in no position to make guarentees right now, so yeah. Sorry.

[The Joker]

I'll upload something the latest wip I have. I'm pretty much finished. I'd say... 99%. the last percent being the total upgrade of sound quality & samples when I get the new comp!

[Spc1st]

I'll try to get another WIP by the end of this week, though honestly the lack of momentum is really killing my enthusiam and productivity for this project.

[prophetik]

I'll try to get another WIP by the end of this week, though honestly the lack of momentum is really killing my enthusiam and productivity for this project.

i agree with the last half of this post. i've already got one final piece uploaded, do i need to upload it again? for the Richard's Villa song, i finally heard back from PriZm - he's finally finshed his half of the arrangement, and he's going to email me soon (hopefully) with guitar parts.

[Eposhark]

@ Hadyn: Ok man, no problem, good luck!

@ Joker: Can you pass me that WIP so I can add it to the space?

@ Sp1st: I can't say you're wrong about the lack of momentum, but we're trying to fix that right now. Let's just say everyone was VERY busy the last couple of months. I'm looking forward to your wip, could you send it to me as soon as you have it? Thanks!

@ Prophet: Your final work doesn't need to be sent again Prophet, I still have it, and I'll upload it again. I'm looking forward to your second song, keep in touch!

[Aetherius]

I'll try to get another WIP by the end of this week, though honestly the lack of momentum is really killing my enthusiam and productivity for this project.

You need us to be excited for you to get your work done?

Who's responsible for a lack of momentum?

Each of us has to be excited for ourselves. It's not up to me to go 'yay! this is exciting@!' and throw a big party for you. you are the mixers. You ARE the momentum. I can't instill excitement in you.

So, how do I create momentum for you?
Well, I COULD set a FINAL DEADLINE. But you know what? You'd all fail to meet it, apart from those of you who would do a shitty rushed job, or those of you who have already completed your mix, and are just sitting around complaining about how nothing's happening. Don't complain to me. Complain to the people who committed themselves to this project, and then failed to follow through.

SO, here is my way of creating momentum:
I tell you that you all suck, and hope that you complete your mixes, and do a good job just to spite me.

So motivate yourselves. I'm here to organize, not hold your hands.

Edit: You know, I'm expecting wips from some of you, that I've never heard. You know what that means? You may have been wasting your efforts, because I may think it's not going to fit in with the project's feel, etc. So, maybe...we should be a bit more active in sending wips around, hmm? I don't want to have had you guys working on a track for three months and then thinking 'ugh, what is this?'

[Spc1st]

I'm not referring to the "excitement" at all. Actually, more strict deadlines would've personally helped me. Lack of deadlines just make me put of this project for other more pressing ones, or those more fun to do. I've got my piece more or less done, but since you said you preferred real guitars, I've been waiting for PriZm to get the last bits of those parts to me before I start mixing. But it doesn't seem like he'll be coming along anytime soon, so I guess I'll just use different instruments where applicable. Compositionally, the final version is pretty much the same as my last WIP, with some extraneous parts cut out, along with an added recap of the beginning section and short ending.

[Aetherius]

how much more strict can I be than "right now."
I imposed THAT deadline months ago.

[GrayLightning]

So motivate yourselves. I'm here to organize, not hold your hands.


Agreed, the onus is on us mixers to get the job done.

For my part, I've been incredibly busy in the last few months.

Now all hell has broken loose where my music pc has crapped out on me. It's going to take me 1-3 weeks best case scenario to get it working again, and I have several work projects due once I get it working again.

Due to all this crud going on, unfortunately I'm going to have to drop out of the project with my rexy collab. Hopefully Rexy can somehow finish it up on her own.

Sorry Aetherius :(, I really wanted to be a part of this and finish my end of the collaboration, but right now my priority has to focus on real life work stuff once I get my music computer back working.

I'm very excited to hear the completion of the project though. Best of luck Aetherius and to all the mixers involved.

[prophetik]

So motivate yourselves. I'm here to organize, not hold your hands.


Agreed, the onus is on us mixers to get the job done.

For my part, I've been incredibly busy in the last few months.

Now all hell has broken loose where my music pc has crapped out on me. It's going to take me 1-3 weeks best case scenario to get it working again, and I have several work projects due once I get it working again.

Due to all this crud going on, unfortunately I'm going to have to drop out of the project with my rexy collab. Hopefully Rexy can somehow finish it up on her own.

Sorry Aetherius :(, I really wanted to be a part of this and finish my end of the collaboration, but right now my priority has to focus on real life work stuff once I get my music computer back working.

I'm very excited to hear the completion of the project though. Best of luck Aetherius and to all the mixers involved.

ahh, crap. i was looking forward to hearing Gray's submission.

that said, what song were they working on? i might get a bolt of inspiration if it's good.

[GrayLightning]

Inside the Egg with rexy. She pretty much has a cool framework/far into mix done, if someone wants to collab with her. Though of course that's her choice if she wants to collab or finish it on her own.

[Dafydd]

Hey, don't you think it's a little... I dunno... strange to say "It's up to us remixers to get this done" and then drop out in the very same post? :?

I mean, hey, you might have more important things to do... but still...

And this is kind of what makes me feel like we're in lack of momentum, that kills my enthusiasm and productivity, just like it does for Spc1st. Not only does the project progress slowly, but people keep quitting every so often, which totally sucks. I can't say I'm doing all I can to help the project, and I'm not blaming Aetherius for not spending all of his time finding new recruits, but when people quit, that just really makes me feel very unenthusiastic towards this project.

I will finish my remix, and I will do it soon enough, but on the other hand, it's difficult to get around to finishing it when you feel like you're not really making a difference no matter how hard you try. It's like my efforts are just a piss in mississippi, and that regardless of whether I finish my song, the project will never finish anyway. Being the one person everyone else is waiting for is a powerful inspiration to do your best, and the current situation has the opposite effect - I feel more motivated to sit here and complain than to actually finish my remix. And I think I'm doing better than many of the other remixers, to be honest - I've produced 5 WiP's so far over the course of 5 months. All I have left to do to finish my remix is some mastering and equalizing, and the reason I can't seem to get around to it is the fact that very few of the others seem to be doing anything, either. It's a sorry excuse, but hey, that's how it is.

Obviously, this could be part of the reason why so many people have quit on us - they don't feel important to the project, or they feel like they have more important things to do. It's a downward spiral and I don't know how to fix it. Aeth, it might not be your job to motivate us, but you started this thing, and even though it might seem like you should be able to just sit back and expect everyone else to do their part, like they should (including myself), since that's not working, maybe you should try something else if you really want this to finish. PM the ones who seem to have abandoned it and ask them whether they've quit or not, PM people you would like to join the project in their stead, and so forth. It sucks to see mixes that are maybe 10% done on eop's site - 4 months after the "deadline". Kick those people out and get some fresh meat for us.

And why are we still in the WiP forum?

[GrayLightning]

Hey, don't you think it's a little... I dunno... strange to say "It's up to us remixers to get this done" and then drop out in the very same post? :?

I mean, hey, you might have more important things to do... but still...



No I don't, because I've been involved in these types of projects before not only as a mixer but as a moderator that helps decide which project will become an OCR project or not. So I was speaking generally from that point of view. It's obvious that the person in charge of the project must marshall the troops into getting things done and keep the momentum going, but the project coordinator can only do so much. In some cases the only thing one can do is to remove a mixer and replace them. It was a collective statement rather than a singular one.

Second I brought up two points one not really relating to the other. ;)

In my case, if someone wants to spend 1-3 weeks fixing/reinstalling/reorganizing/setting up settings of my incredibly complex music set up to get all the software working in tandem again, then do work and pay my bills please let me know. :lol: Second I have had an irregular work schedule in the last half a year, so that has seriously impacted whatever free time I have.

You brought up good points about motivation though, but that's not really for me to comment on, certainly at this point. You should consider talking to Aetherius about it. The only thing I can think of to move this along is to have deadlines more frequently, but there are ups and downsides to that.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

you thought Gray was going to stick all the way through? That's my nigga but AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH. The kid is busy.

[Aetherius]

Well, I was kinda expecting gray to drop out as soon as he said he was interested. It's a loss...but also not a loss, because I didn't really count it as a gain... :/

[The Joker]

Wow, all I've been hearing is a bunch of "I can't work on my mix because blah blah!"

Seriously, it seems you(s?) had no idea how projects work most of the time. I'm in a few other projects, & while they may have started out full speed ahead, they get into a lull at some point. It's the nature of the thing. Heck, I'm pretty much finished with my track, I'm only waiting to wav it up because all the "un-motivated" people are taking their sweet time, which gives me some time to get my new comp. There are at least 2 people with finished tracks, maybe 3. So there, there's some motivation. Also, instead of waiting for others to get started & motivate you, why not start motivating other people, by finishing your own tracks.

Alright, I'm finished ranting. The end.

[Aetherius]

instead of waiting for others to get started & motivate you, why not start motivating other people, by finishing your own tracks.

Hark! The herald! Angels sing!

[Dafydd]

Heck, I'm pretty much finished with my track, I'm only waiting to wav it up because all the "un-motivated" people are taking their sweet time...

Hey, that's what I just said in my last post. Sarcasm?

Yeah, projects do get into a lull. I'm running one myself, I would know... First, everything went smoothly and 30 different people bumped in and said "I'd help!" "PLEASE, LET ME DO IT!" and so forth. Once we got around to working, however, they ALL took off and dumped me. I was heart-broken and miserable.

Fortunately, and with a little advertising, I soon got the company of 2 hard working and loyal underlings who are, together, responsible for nearly all of the progress so far, and with them, other people who have left only small contributions, but they all help and they all make me smile. Right now, things are moving pretty slowly, but it's not like it's at a standstill. Whenever someone leaves my project, it's a loss, truly, but whenever someone leaves THIS project, it actually feels like we're moving backwards. We have to start over with a song that already had some progress (a decent WiP). I guess the two projects are not really comparable (remixes can take months, mascot bios take a few hours to write, can easily be edited etc. and, also - how much fun is a remix project that features only 3 or 4 remixers?? :P ), but that's how I feel about it. I can only say I'm sorry for Aetherius whose underlings are so... preoccupied. Including myself. I joined this project because I wanted to help out and because no one else seemed interested in remixing turtle rock, and because I liked that track.

You're right, I'm being stupid... Aeth, I'm sorry. I'll finish my WiP as soon as possible, and I'll try to do my best with the EQ. I'm on the wrong compo right now though.

[Eposhark]

Alright niggers, Joker sent me a WiP, and it sounded damn good :-)

I expect you all to do the same. If you already did that, could you please look for other people that haven't been posting here, telling them to do so?

http://thomas.balis.be/laproject by the way. Comments, Suggestions, Problems?

[Eposhark]

And why are we still in the WiP forum?

Important question. Why?

[prophetik]

Alright niggers, Joker sent me a WiP, and it sounded damn good :-)

I expect you all to do the same. If you already did that, could you please look for other people that haven't been posting here, telling them to do so?

http://thomas.balis.be/laproject by the way. Comments, Suggestions, Problems?

looks better than before. but what happened to track 18?

i pm'd gray like ten times about getting us out of the wip forum, but he never really responded.

for the site record, sixto has a wip. so does dafydd and rexy. they probably just didnt get back to you.

[Dafydd]

I did now. I must have not read his posts very carefully, I assumed he'd kept the WiP's he'd already recieved.

[GrayLightning]

i pm'd gray like ten times about getting us out of the wip forum, but he never really responded.


Uh I think you have the wrong person. This is the first I've heard about this project from anyone outside epo and rexy. I never got any of your pms on this topic from you - and if I missed one, never got a follow up...and also Darkesword handles these per the instructions on the Projects forums. I've only gotten like around 7 pms from you in the last 6 something months and all were about your mixes/ft's.

[Eposhark]

He probably means DarkeSword.

@Prophet: Track 18 (Hen House) was ditched, since SirRus pulled out of the project, and Starky felt it didn't really contribute to the project. So instead of letting someone else do it, he decided to delete it from the tracklist. But good thing noticing it: Track19 should be renamed to be track18. Ima do that now!

[GrayLightning]

People consistently keep confusing me with darkesword and vice versa. Have no idea why... :o

[prophetik]

He probably means DarkeSword.

@Prophet: Track 18 (Hen House) was ditched, since SirRus pulled out of the project, and Starky felt it didn't really contribute to the project. So instead of letting someone else do it, he decided to delete it from the tracklist. But good thing noticing it: Track19 should be renamed to be track18. Ima do that now!

i did comfuzzle the two of you.

but, that said, i checked my outbox and didn't see anything regarding the pms i thought i sent. i guess i don't know how to use the private messaging service...i'll try again :lol:

[BlueMage]

People consistently keep confusing me with darkesword and vice versa. Have no idea why... :o

Consistant name pattern: Colour Noun

[Aetherius]

...dark isn't a colour.

I'd assume that the reason we're not in site projects is because despite the fact that 75% of the tracks are assigned, they are assigned to people who have only completed 10 seconds of their songs.

[DarkeSword]

That's the long and short of it.

Send me a PM when you've got some substantial progress done on a majority of WIPs. 8)

[Dafydd]

Makes sense, I guess.

Hey Epo, I don't seem to be able to download WiP's like I used to be with your old site... is that intentional?

Also, what does "looks okay" mean? :)

As for my remix, I've been toying about with the lower levels of the equalizer, and, well, I don't know what's causing it, but any bass instrument I'm trying to play muddles itself up, almost as if there was another tone just SLIGHTLY pichted up that messed the soundscape up. I've been unable to locate a reason for this so far. It seems, the deeper I dive into this, the worse it gets. I can't belive it's so hard to find a good instrument for my bassline. Furthermore, I've fixed the pizzicato offset issue.

I'll send you another WiP after I've played around some more.

[Rexy]

Okay, so you guys saw that Gray is unable to contribute much music-wise now that his situation has fallen under. I felt rather saddened by this because I thought this would be a great opportunity to equal our compositional skills a little more in the track we would have been developing.

Still, the track will go on. Either situation will happen concerning the track -

* I will finish it myself and find a render for it.

OR

* I will pass the framework to another remixer (hopefully someone who has their roots in modern orchestra) and we'll pass the MIDI back and forth adding our own little bits to it, essentially him/her being the collab partner to replace Gray.

But first, I gotta finish off Eagle Tower >.> My coursework is soon becoming a thing of the past, giving me more time to do music than ever. Man do I love the smell of Freedom in the mid-Springtime.

[Aetherius]

I'll put a petition in to be your collaborator, Rexy.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'roots in modern orchestra', but I...know what I like.

If the prophet wants to help you out, he's got my okay too. The guy's a wiz.

[Rexy]

When I refer to modern orchestra, I'm mainly leaning towards similar stylistic traits to certain composers that use traditional symphonic backdrops coupled with elements that aren't traditionally used. For me, Yasunori Mitsuda's PS1 game scores come to mind when I describe this.

I hope this helps out :)

[Spc1st]

Alright, I sent another WIP to be posted. The mixing is pretty crappy right now, mostly due to the unfiltered noise from the guitar amp and EQ stuff(boomy bass).

[Eposhark]

Alright, I added Spc1st last addittion, grab it now :

Here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5k9lg3
Or Here : http://thomas.balis.be/laproject/wips/anotherwip.ogg

And, for those who haven't visited yet, the main site : http://thomas.balis.be/laproject

Tell us what you think!

[Aetherius]

...you know there's more than that 4 note intro in the song, right? I've heard none of track 35 in there, which is your song.

anyhoo...yeah, the mixing is crappy.

anyone else wanna tear this one down, so I don't have to?

[Spc1st]

Well, if you are looking for more references to the original:

-The bass notes in the first section (ie, the pulsating ones) are derived from the original's bass line, though in a different rhythm (and transposition too probably); so is the melody in the strings, for that matter.

-In the second section, the strings play what is basically a canon of the main melody, though the first two notes are really drawn out; otherwise, it tries to follow the original section, with some liberties taken of course. The sawtooth also plays the original bassline for a bit.

Admittedly, the are more abstracted than usual, but that's how I prefer to do things.

I think I also used some references from the other battle themes in the game; for example, the trilling sawtooth is from the pre-final battle theme, while the guitar melody is from the normal boss battle theme (though it's also in the final battle theme).

[Aetherius]

I think a major issue is that it needs to sound like a song, and not a bunch of music playing at the same time.

[Dafydd]

Someone told me my remix was almost too close to the original (except for the part in the end that has nothing to do with the soundtrack, but that fit into the mix), but that's how I do it. Maybe yours is a little too far for Aeth...

Even though I, too, found the song a little chaotic - hey, it's the last boss fight! What could be more chaotic and emotionally stirring? :wink:

I must say, however, that I think the sawtooth you're using is - well, not unfitting, but a bit too general midi-ish, which pulls the overall down a bit. Other than that, I kinda liked it. :)

[Dafydd]

OOHOHO GOOOD, I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANY LONGER! WHY CAN'T MY SONG SOUND LIKE I WANT IT TO???

[Dafydd]

*sobs* ok... I've tried and I've tried... and I think I got rid of the rumbling bass. If there's anything left now, it's the mastering, and I don't think I can do it much better myself than it already is. If this isn't good enough, Aeth, I don't know I can make something that is.

WiP6 (http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/new/Phytre%20Pighlet%20-%20Sk%f6ldpaddsklippan%20-%20WiP%206.mp3)

Didn't we use to keep our WiP locations secret, btw?

[Aetherius]

pfft, no one's paying attention but us.

hmmm
I think the intro section goes on just a little too long. You get a bunch of buildup for what sounds like it's going to be a breakbeat, and then it just turns into MORE quiet buildup. We could do without a bar or two of that.

There's too much bass on your bass instrument still, but it's not muddy. Now it's just loud. It's an EQ issue, not a volume issue.

The ending is better, but I think that the piano bit (Which sounds nice) should be slower. I think maybe the whole song's tempo could go down by (not to) 5-10bpm to achieve this without being too draggy. Also, I think that you should return to the original chord progression before you end the song. A-section (turtle rock), B-section (your thing), and then the A-section again. Mind you, the repetition of the A-section should be VERY short. Just enough to re-establish it.

There's a bit around 3:00 that puts too much emphasis on the hihat pattern you've got going on. Because they're in the forefront, it draws my attention to the fact that it's a loop of crumby default hihats, which detracts from the music.

Anyhoo, main issues:
-Shorten the intro by a few bars. We really don't need the extra four bars to show 'OMG the hihats have changed' just bring the cool beat right on in.
-Bass needs less bass. I can't imagine how you can't figure out how to lower the bass' EQ.
-Briefly re-establish the A-section before ending the song.
-Find a way to remedy the way that the hihats are too far in the foreground at 3:00.

[Dafydd]

Mhm... yeah, I suppose I can do that.

... how much less bass do you want though? I know how to lower it, but I don't know by how much. I already made the left end of the EQ go very steep down, so the very lowest frequencies are completely removed... oh nevermind, you wanted the BASS INSTRUMENT volume to be lowered. No... it's an EQ issue? :-/ I'm confused. There's a way to change the EQ of a single instrument? Oh... yeah, bass/treble... right... but the bass' volume level is fine?

Also, does it sound loud throughout the song or only in specific places? ... I thought it was kinda loud in the piano section, now that I think about it... Eh. This will probably end up being another 3 WiP's. :roll:

Returning to the A section is a good idea, I guess, but it'd have to be through a sacrifice of parts of the intro, like you suggested, or it's going to be a bit long, especially if I drop the tempo... Hum. You want the piano bit to be slower than the rest of the song? I dunno... it does feel a bit fast, and the rest of the song is supposed to be pretty much the current tempo. So.... hm. Yeah. But then there's the transition problem. Do I make the intro to the piano section a decelerando, and its outro an accelerando? I mean... I'll try it, but it might end up weird.

[Aetherius]

Equalize the BASS INSTRUMENT, so that it's bass frequencies are lower. It's too bassey. It is indeed possible to change the EQ of a single instrument (provided that your music program doesn't suck...).

Try a decelerando into the piano section, and then don't bother with the accelerando back into the A-section. It'll work. Trust me.

I wouldn't call the removal of parts of the intro a 'sacrifice' so much as a 'mercy killing.'
The intro being that long is truly unnecessary.

[Dafydd]

I wouldn't call the removal of parts of the intro a 'sacrifice' so much as a 'mercy killing.'

LOL! You always have such a soft approach. Hah hah. :)

[Dafydd]

Unh? This is incredlible... reason doesn't allow for accelerando or decelerando. You need to hook it up with cubase to do that.

IS THIS SOME SICK KIND OF JOKE???

How can they make such an advanced piece of software and leave out something so utterly basic and necessary? I've never seen another sequencer that couldn't handle tempo changes. Oh, yeah, it's so much easier to program plugins that allow you to link up with other applications than to actually program the function into your own sequencer... not. I'm not buying or downloading cubase just so I can change the tempo. I can't believe this bs. Maybe I can make the notes in reason longer so they're off tempo, somehow.

Wtf...

[prophetik]

Unh? This is incredlible... reason doesn't allow for accelerando or decelerando. You need to hook it up with cubase to do that.

IS THIS SOME SICK KIND OF JOKE???

How can they make such an advanced piece of software and leave out something so utterly basic and necessary? I've never seen another sequencer that couldn't handle tempo changes. Oh, yeah, it's so much easier to program plugins that allow you to link up with other applications than to actually program the function into your own sequencer... not. I'm not buying or downloading cubase just so I can change the tempo. I can't believe this bs. Maybe I can make the notes in reason longer so they're off tempo, somehow.

Wtf...

wait, you didn't know that? that's always been one of the biggest critiques of reason - no time adjustment, and no external VST support.

you CAN timestretch the parts you want to to make it work, but that messes up the sequencer roll. my suggestion? ReWire it through FLStudio, like everyone does normally since the mastering suite in Reason sucks balls, and use THAT to edit your time stuff. then use the mastering suite in FL to make the song sound good, since it's almost impossible in Reason.

[Aetherius]

FLstudio is also capable of putting EQ on one instrument only.

[chthonic]

FLstudio is also capable of putting EQ on one instrument only.
I'VE SEEN IT DONE!

HE'S NOT LYING!

[Dafydd]

FLstudio is also capable of putting EQ on one instrument only.

I already did that in reason though. Interesting that "cheap" software like fruity loops would have capabilities reason does not, though. I'll give that a shot.

[Aetherius]

Frtuiyloops is the most versatile music software I've ever encountered that didn't require any external hardware.

Reason just sounds good, It's not ACTUALLY good.

[The Joker]

Here Here!

[chthonic]

Here Here!
isn't it hear?

[PriZm]

why isn't this project in Site Projects ?

[chthonic]

why isn't this project in Site Projects ?
no one is done

[Dafydd]

Frtuiyloops is the most versatile music software I've ever encountered that didn't require any external hardware.

Reason just sounds good, It's not ACTUALLY good.

And yet the issue here has been sound quality, mostly. How ironic.

Also, do you use the mastering suite in FLstudio after or before you've recorded your song? I hope it has distortion effects worth mentioning - the ones in reason were horrible...

I have a killer chemistry exam coming up next week (more than half of last year's class flunked it), so I might not have time to try fruityloops out until... the week after that one. I hope to be done soon, though.

[chthonic]

Frtuiyloops is the most versatile music software I've ever encountered that didn't require any external hardware.

Reason just sounds good, It's not ACTUALLY good.

And yet the issue here has been sound quality, mostly. How ironic.

Also, do you use the mastering suite in FLstudio after or before you've recorded your song? I hope it has distortion effects worth mentioning - the ones in reason were horrible...

I have a killer chemistry exam coming up next week (more than half of last year's class flunked it), so I might not have time to try fruityloops out until... the week after that one. I hope to be done soon, though.
I use fruity compressor, fruity fast dist, and fruity blood overdrive for EVERYTHING

I'd say they are worth mentioning

[The Joker]

Here Here!
isn't it hear?


Could be more... actually more than likely. What do I look like, a fancy pants englishman from an old movie?

Also, yah, Fruity is pretty darn good with the distortion. You could try Acid as well, for mastering.

[prophetik]

Frtuiyloops is the most versatile music software I've ever encountered that didn't require any external hardware.

Reason just sounds good, It's not ACTUALLY good.

that's the funniest thing i've heard all day.

dafydd, why are you using post distortion effects? nothing can really beat a decent live distortion pedal. also, if you know how to use Scream 4, its awesome. most people don't, though.

And yet the issue here has been sound quality, mostly. How ironic.

That's not really saying much. anything can sound bad if its been put together incorrectly. reason has a definate ability to sound like crap if you don't know what you're doing. fl PROVES that it'll sound like crap if you don't know what you're doing - look at the n00bs in the wip forum. its just a matter of learning what you're doing, and applying it.

[Aetherius]

reason has a definate ability to sound like crap if you don't know what you're doing. fl PROVES that it'll sound like crap if you don't know what you're doing - look at the n00bs in the wip forum. its just a matter of learning what you're doing, and applying it.

It's true. FL, being so easy to use, is usually the beginner's program, but unless they figure out how to use the program like a tool, rather than a toy, they'll never really improve beyond a bunch of repetitive noise, without any real attention to mixing.

Now I know how aggravatign it is to have someone tell you 'why are you doing this, when you could buy this $4000 synthesizer?' So, the trick is experimenting with a sound you kinda like...and turn it into a sound that you really like. Personally, I'd say that's easiest to do in FL.

[Dafydd]

You're right - I don't know how to use any of those programs. I've used various versions of cakewalk all my life (ok, since I was 9) - making midis, using soundfonts and the built-in effects of the sound blaster live as they came. Mastering has never been among my skills.

I used to sit on a 300MHz computer with an sblive. It allowed me to make distortion effects that I was kinda happy with. 300MHz means the computer is pretty slow, though, so I bought a new computer and a sound blaster x-fi. Bad idea. I still haven't managed to make that one do anything nice. It's great for audio, but when it comes to midi, the x-fi is teh suckage. I know there are millions of people who hate sound blasters unconditionally, but I liked them all until the x-fi. All of a sudden, midi functionality just disappeared without a warning. I was expecting their newest card to be better, not worse, than its predecessors.

Anyway. Midi screwed up on the x-fi, so I decided to give reason a shot, since so many people seemed to be using it and talked about it. "Sköldpaddsklippan" is the first song I've ever made using reason, and this along with my nonexisting experience of mastering and equalizing obviously means that my song is currently suffering in these aspects.

I absolutely hate the distortion that the "scream" creates. I can turn the wheels and change the settings, but it never gets to where I want it. I suck at reason, and that's what's taking so long, I guess. If I knew how to make things sound like I wanted them to, I would probably be done by now. :)

The problem I have right now is that not only do I not know anything about mixing, but my ideas about what sounds good and what doesn't are far less demanding than yours. I might think that "this sounds ok" whily you think "ergh! more 3kHz ffs!" or the likes. I appreciate having some telling me "lower the bass on that one" etc. because it usually turns out it sounds better.

Bottom line - I'm not as picky as you are about sound quality and I have no experience in the world of equalizing/mastering. In fact, I don't think I'm sure I know the difference between those two words...

Conclusion - even with the right equipment, I don't know where I'm supposed to be going eq-wise, and I don't know how to get there. All I know is I kinda liked the dark feel in my 5th WiP, and I want my song to stay dark. Your suggestions have been a great help so far.

[Dafydd]

Hunh. I need specific instructions on how to make fruityloops control the tempo in reason. I got myself a demo of flstudio6 and reason3 on the other end. Now what?

[Aetherius]

Your flare for the dramatic both astounds and disgusts me.

Check in Remixing 101. The answer's probably there.

[prophetik]

Your flare for the dramatic both astounds and disgusts me.

Check in Remixing 101. The answer's probably there.

lawl. i'll save you the trouble.

assuming you know how to rewire, just automate the tempo (tempi?) in fl6 the way you normally would, and play the song in the 'song' mode (rather than pattern mode) the way you normally would. this'll probably mean putting in a black pattern track at the end of the song to get FL to play that long.

if you dont know how to rewire...read your manual. i'm not explaining that obnoxious setup...it takes forever.

but yeah, tempo stuff is just done the same way you normally would. fl controls the internal sync when it has reason rewired through it.

is that what you were asking?

[Aetherius]

I got the impression that he didn't know how to automate the tempo as you 'normally would'.

[prophetik]

I got the impression that he didn't know how to automate the tempo as you 'normally would'.

oh. right click on the box that shows what your bpm is. click 'edit automation'. set it to what it should be. in order to tell what's what, look in the top left corner, where usually status updates are. when your mouse is on the automation window, it'll show up with BPM figures. just click where you want them...same as always, right click lets you drag a line, left click just sets it as normal...etc. if that doesn't explain it, whatever. read your damn manual.

[Dafydd]

Your flare for the dramatic both astounds and disgusts me.

You... nevermind.


lawl. i'll save you the trouble.


i'm not explaining that obnoxious setup...it takes forever.

Thanks for explaining the obvious and leaving out the hard parts. Which part did you think I wanted help with - the one that's the same as always or the one that's obnoxious and takes forever? :roll: Expect an update when I've figured it all out. I'll probably be a few weeks, in worst case, exams and all... :-/

[prophetik]

i didn't explain it because the manuals do it better anyways. i mean, come on. you like sound blaster. what am i SUPPOSED to think is the hard part?

[Dafydd]

you like sound blaster. what am i SUPPOSED to think is the hard part?

What are you implying?

Anyway, I think the hard part is the same part you think is hard. You described one part as "the way you normally would" and the other as "obnoxious". I wanted help with the "obnoxious" part. I'll figure it out eventually. :)

[Aetherius]

quit being lame, guys.

Dafydd, just figure it out.
Prophet, ...go find prizm.

[prophetik]

quit being lame, guys.

Dafydd, just figure it out.
Prophet, ...go find prizm.

actually, he sent me guitars yesterday. i'm recording handdrums and sax tomorrow or friday (whichever fits into the schedule) and i should have a rough wip soon. i'll be recieving the final cut of guitars next week sometime.

forgot to mention that.

[prophetik]

sorry for the dp, but since when are you a mod, dafydd?

[Rexy]

He's a project manager for the OCR mascots thing.
Also, I heard your tracks and I'll get back to you before I go to bed.

[Dafydd]

Exactly. I can only mod that one thread, though.

[prophetik]

update. my villa mix is at 70%, currently. i need a place to host it, so if epo were to contact me on aim in about 14-15 hours or so...

[ShinnyMetal]

>.> IM not dead....

has anyone heared from Monobrow?

[Aetherius]

just for the record, I'm really not excited about any collaborations between the two of you.

[prophetik]

just for the record, I'm really not excited about any collaborations between the two of you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[ShinnyMetal]

just for the record, I'm really not excited about any collaborations between the two of you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Meh I don't think of it that way at all, just lending eachother a hand.

[Eposhark]

What happenening bitches?

Where's your mix stark? SF2 project is done.

[Aetherius]

same place as everyone else's.

[prophetik]

same place as everyone else's.
well, i've got one at 100%, and one at 60% (btw, sent sax parts to prizm for him to mix with his final guitar parts, so we're closing in on done). of the rest of the mixes, the ones still active are mostly nearing completion. so where are you?

[Aetherius]

lazy and unapologetic. Just get yours done, and quit your bitching.

[The Joker]

Okays. i got my new comp, & am going to go ahead a finish it with the sf2 i have now. Gonna sound really cleaner, if not have a few new touches thanks to new hrosepower. So, expect that shnap soon.

[chthonic]

ha ha ha
I am done
ha ha ha
I am done

[Eposhark]

I expect your mix at 12 at my office stark. And no, not the Street Fighter mix.

[Aetherius]

I expect you to leave the (incredibly lax) deadlines to me.

[Eposhark]

You can't ban me from this thread!

[ShinnyMetal]

._. I wouldn't test him though

[Aetherius]

Actually, I'm being lazy, because I'm attempting to remaster/mix my guile mix so that It'll be submittable to my satisfaction before I move on. Since there isn't a deadline for this project, all of you could have done three remixes for theree different projects already...
I work slowly.

[The Joker]

Actually, I'm being lazy, because I'm attempting to remaster/mix my guile mix so that It'll be submittable to my satisfaction before I move on. Since there isn't a deadline for this project, all of you could have done three remixes for theree different projects already...
I work slowly.

I did, & I've never felt better in my life. With Aeth's system, you too could lose up to 1 pound in as little as 3 weeks!

Also, yeah, my tracks almost done.

[prophetik]

You can't ban me from this thread!
no, you do that with your 'i never update our site or anything' attitude.

lawl

[Aetherius]

Before Epo makes his post saying 'I don't update, because no one gives me the info to update with'
and then one of you posts with 'I just did that, a few posts up'

Let me paraphrase something I said a post or two ago:

Quit your bitching.
Seriously.
If you're done your song, and there's no news, then don't post at all. If something happens, I'll make a post, and then you'll see it in the 'view your posts' search results, or it'll bump itself. Meanwhile, feel free to personally bug me, if you want to know what's going on, but a million posts of 'hey, what the heck is going on with this project' followed by a bunch of bickering isn't helping this project get released.
If you realy want to help out, find us someone to design a website, and some cover art, because it appears that Eon_blue has fallen through, so to speak.

On an unrelated, but important note:
The following people (who are listed as being on the project) are...not on the project...
-Hadyn dropped out, I believe.
-Chris McGee's source file got corrupted, and then his computer died, or something.
-Graylightning has dropped out
-Ichitootah might as well be dead, which is unfortunate, since his mix was pretty good.
-I am now officially removing Fusion and Taucer's remix from the list, as...well, It sucked, and there doesn't appear to be any work being done on it. (don't worry about this though. I've got an idea for the track, and I'll do it. seriously...I will.)

The following people have different percentages done:
-Sixto is at least 50% done.
-chthonic is 99% done.
-KFC is 50% done (because he claims to be almost done, and yet I've heard NO wips from him...at all.)
-Chris McGee is 50% done, but since he might as wel be gone, I don't know what to do about that.
-Rexy is 95% done her Eagle Tower mix

The following people really should consider reworking/starting over:
-ShinnyMetal should really shave three of those unnecessary and repetitive minutes off of his track, and probably cut out that unlistenable section all together.
-Spc1st's arrangement is based almost entirely on a four note riffy thing that happens before the actual song I've asked him to remix, which is really not the point, and if there IS anything of the track he chose in that arrangement, it is too abstract, or too subtle, don't know which, but neither is good.

Now, I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm not pulling punches. If anyone knows whether monobrow, Chris McGee, or Ichitootah is still alive, please try to get them to post thir situation in here.
If either ShinnyMetal or Spc1st has a problem with the things I've said about their songs, either because they're too lazy to start over or rework their piece. They're free to drop out, or just rework it. Either way, it will delay the project, and I'm sorry to the rest of you that I'm forcing you to wait longer for people to be able to hear your music, which seems to be what yu're all so concerned about, because I can't see any other reason why you would care so much about the status of this project's completion.

Anyhoo, I said from the beginning that I demand an appreciation for both the source tune, and the game and the palce in the game where the song comes from in the remixers. I want remixers who are connected to their songs, not remixers who think they can remix anything, and it's just another game tune to them. This is not about re-arranging, it's about paying homage to something you respect and appreciate.

SO, respect and appreciate your source tune, and do something nice with it. Don't poop on your source tune, and think 'man, this song that I've made is great.' Understand that several minutes of repetitive and boring crap isn't an homage so much as a failed attempt.

Everybody do YOUR BEST.
I'd like to see from everyone the same amount of effort and care that was put in by The Prophet, monobrow, and a few others.

I begin work on my Ballad remix today. You've all got time. Don't forget, though, that when the main tracks are done, there's still the final collaborative track.

That is all.
Your somewhat grumpy, because he slept in Leader:
Starky

[Dr. Wily]

*sobs* ok... I've tried and I've tried... and I think I got rid of the rumbling bass. If there's anything left now, it's the mastering, and I don't think I can do it much better myself than it already is. If this isn't good enough, Aeth, I don't know I can make something that is.

WiP6 (http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/new/Phytre%20Pighlet%20-%20Sk%f6ldpaddsklippan%20-%20WiP%206.mp3)

Didn't we use to keep our WiP locations secret, btw?

Sounds promising.. nice ambience and then quite pleasing to the ears 3:22-3:53. With more skill it could be denser and have some more interesting arrangement ideas in the middle but keep up the good work.. to all mixers involved too.

[Aetherius]

i'm a little surprised that no one's gone "what?!" to my last newsypost.

Wake up, kiddies.

[The Joker]

i'm apalled that you didn't mention me by name (assuming I handled stuff with care, mainly eggs), Aeth, i think I'll go cry now.

[Aetherius]

what happen? did someone set you all up the bomb?

[ShinnyMetal]

Well I was hoping Monobrow would help out on my composistion. but I hope he shows up soon gah. my problem is I don't wanna have to work with it any longer, I personally hate the source material. I will have to I guess....and what is the unlistenable section?

[prophetik]

Well I was hoping Monobrow would help out on my composistion. but I hope he shows up soon gah. my problem is I don't wanna have to work with it any longer, I personally hate the source material. I will have to I guess....and what is the unlistenable section?

if you hate it, you shouldn't have done it.

wait, isn't monobrow a chick?

[Aetherius]

yes she is.

And the prophet's right. If you hate the source material, you shouldn't have chosen that song.
Otherwise we'll all hate your song, because you hated the source.

[ShinnyMetal]

well I can over come that and the other choices weren't somehing I could work with well. I forgot monobrow was a chick *dies*

well I like how it is comming out, cause it doesn't really have the same sound as the source.

so yeah..still would like to know what the unlistenable part is

[Aetherius]

the objective isn't to make it sound different from the source. the objective is to capture the melancholy of each song, and exploit it.

[Eon_Blue]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/art/lacover.jpg

So yeah...

[Hylian Lemon]

^ Sweeeeet....

You guys had better get done soon. Or else I'll die and you'll be sorry. Maybe.

I wish I could remix.

[prophetik]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/art/lacover.jpg

So yeah...

does this mean you're still doing artwork?

man, i forgot this project even had a name. that was back on, like, page 15 or something. didn't prizm submit it?

oh, that said, i'm waiting on him for the final version of our song. its being mastered, and then you'll get the final. lookie here, two songs done! what else do you want?

[Eposhark]

sup eon, you own

[Aetherius]

Well, We'd already seen the album art. I was hoping we'd see some development in terms of a website.

[prophetik]

Well, We'd already seen the album art. I was hoping we'd see some development in terms of a website.

i didn't know eon was doing that. didn't he design/help with danny b's site?

[Dunther]

http://hosting.thasauce.net/eon/art/lacover.jpg

So yeah...
wonderful!

[Aetherius]

Someone fetch me a monobrow.

[chthonic]

someone fetch me a HOLY SHIT THAT COVER ART IS SEX IN PAPER FORM

[Monobrow]

Hi I am still alive, if that counts. I haven't really worked on my song since uh...Shinny tried to send me a guitar track over my song and I lost my mind (no offense Shinny - it just didn't look promising - your guitar and my crap just didn't seem to mix well...at all.

Anyway, I've been really busy working and all lately, but things have finally settled down enough here for me to do something. So uh, give me a few days I guess. I'm going to rework a lot of things and finish the song, hopefully.

also this is a bump

[ShinnyMetal]

Hi I am still alive, if that counts. I haven't really worked on my song since uh...Shinny tried to send me a guitar track over my song and I lost my mind (no offense Shinny - it just didn't look promising - your guitar and my crap just didn't seem to mix well...at all.


LMAO thats alright, twas just an idea, even though it was a bad recording too >_<

are you still doing anything with mine? if not I need ta know.

[The Mutericator]

BUMP because this topic looks eerily dead...

[Aetherius]

...did I ever declare dafydd's song done?

[Dafydd]

No, you never did. Will you ever? :wink:

I wanted to fix the rewire thingy before posting the next wip, but I've given up on that. The tempo decrease in this song was done manually in real-time, while recording. It might be a bit too slow this time, and I got rid of too much of the bass frequencies, I'm afraid. I need to meddle with a few things before even I could call this the final version, but I've learnt a lot about using reason lately while making the sml wips, and I think I can apply that to this song as well. So, listen to WiP 7 (http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/wip/Phytre%20Pighlet%20-%20Sköldpaddsklippan%20-%20WiP%207.mp3) and tell me what I should be doing with it next.

[Aetherius]

I don't know if it's just me, or...those drums sound more lo-fi than usual.

in fact, the whole thing sounds lo-fi. Maybe My speakers are acting wonky.

The transition to the piano section is much better.

[Dafydd]

(Assuming you mean it's lacking in the high frequencies) The lo-fi is probably because I recorded via hardware instead of via software, which was the only way to get that tempo change. Anyway, we back to only EQ/mixing issues now? Is the song structure cool enough?

I'll record a more hi-fi version soon. It'll be up to you to decide whether that'll be the final version or not.

[Chickenwarlord]

Turtle Rock seems pretty spacy and needlessly echoey. Some echo = good. This much echo = slightly obnoxious.

[Aetherius]

Actually, I was thinking that. there sounds like maybe there's a little too much reverb in there...maybe. haha....I give up.

In other news, I've got an eager little guy called 'dj rafajafar' or something, who wants to take on Mabe village, and I think I'm going to give it to him/her/it.

[Dafydd]

haha....I give up.

Erm... :(

In other news, I've got an eager little guy called 'dj rafajafar' or something, who wants to take on Mabe village, and I think I'm going to give it to him/her/it.

Go ahead. I mean, we need all the mixers we can get, don't we? What happened to Cerrax, btw?

[Aetherius]

I don't know what happened to cerrax. I haven't heard from him, and he seems to have given up, since I commented on his first wip.

[Dafydd]

Your comments weren't to his taste, I assume. Anyway, I'll get back to fixing the reverb issue. I think I know of a way.

Also ARGH

http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/wip/argh.jpg

[Dafydd]

Is this (http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/wip/z923456.mp3) any less lo-fi?

[Rafajafar]

Is this (http://home.student.uu.se/d/dahe9761/wip/z923456.mp3) any less lo-fi?

I reallyreallyreally like this. For most of the song I was like, "ok, this sounds real simplistic," though. That's about the only complaint I could say until you broke it down at 2:55ish.... but that didnt last long enough for my personal tastes.

It sounds great, on the whole.

The current Mabe WIP is here, by the way: http://www.mixposure.com/song.php?songid=29180

[Aetherius]

unfortunately, 2:55ish is about where it stops being a remix, and it's his own song. if only the whole song were as kickin'....maybe

[Dafydd]

Then what do you suggest I should do before 2:55 if the current version is so boring? Should I let the piano enter the song earlier, and follow the lead as it does after the section with my own composition? Also, you didn't answer my question. Was the sound quality better this time? Sound quality was the issue last time, or no?

[Aetherius]

Oh, it's not a boring mix by any means, it's just more interesting during the piano bit.

Anyhoo, I didn't have time to listen to the new version, so I'm going to do that in a few minutes....

*insert passage of time here*

hmm, again, that reverb is still a bit more than necessary on the bass and harp. The sounds are intermingling, and it sounds just a bit too muddy.

the EQ is better...but the volume is a little too loud on the bass instrument. So, if you could lower it a bit... Not too much, now! Don't make it too low! *kicks*

I think that maybe that tom fill you've got at 1:15 could stand to be a bit louder too. Adds more power to the build up.

In your piano section, the bass drowns out the piano. This is solved by my earlier suggetsion of lower bass volume, and maybe a little bit louder on the piano, since it's actually playing the melody.

I like the way you ended it too. No problems there.

Other than that bass volume, and the potentially louder tom fill...that's about all that's separating you from here and done-ness.

[Dafydd]

Cool. I'm looking forward to completing this. It's been in the works since goddamned december '05. Which I'm sure has bothered you as well. Sorry about that.

[prophetik]

Cool. I'm looking forward to completing this. It's been in the works since goddamned december '05. Which I'm sure has bothered you as well. Sorry about that.

the fact that we've been working on this project for that long (and that you've gained 300 posts since we started) is a notice that we're taking to damned long to finish this project.

does it piss anyone off that we've got no updates on our site since may 8th?

[Aetherius]

...why is there pressure to get this done?

[Chickenwarlord]

Considering how close Link's Awakening is to my heart, I'd prefer quality to quantity.

[Dafydd]

Quantity? As in Quand (when?)

... kidding

Anyway, there's is always pressure to get this done. That's why you set up a deadline initially... right?

[Aetherius]

I didn't have a deadline initially. There was pressure to put pressure on you

[Dafydd]

From whom? You mean a deadline wasn't your idea? :)

[Rafajafar]

I didn't have a deadline initially. There was pressure to put pressure on you

Yeah, but who is going to put pressure on you?

Stop watching lameass ST:TNG and get to the wip!

[Aetherius]

you dare to question the supreme awesome of patrick stewart and Brent Spiner?@

[Monobrow]

Ahhhhhhhhh!

Also I am very happy with your WIP dafydd, just wanted to say that. I agree about the reverb though...And yeah, a little too much bass...But besides that, great job :J

I YAM INSPIRED

[Aetherius]

the people rejoiced! Rafajafar, I'll check out that wip this afternoon. Sorry, I've been lazy.

[Aetherius]

So, I'm going to do a little bit of editing nin the main post...

The main reason we're still in the wips forum, despite the fact that we APPEAR to have everything a normal project has by this time, is that we don't actually have those things, so I'm going to edit the main post to reflect that.

Also, with regards to the length of time this project has taken, It is partially my fault, and partially yours. I'm a lazy bastard. I haven't started my own remixes (largely because I was put off of remixing by the unpleasant efforts I put forth for the SSF2T project) And I haven't opened up FL in a month or two.
That said, the fact that I haven't been working on my mixes doesn't have any effect on the fact that at least 5 people who signed up for this project just plain gave up, and haven't told me yet.

Some of you are 'waiting on a better computer', And several of you can't work on music at home or at school for some stupid reason.

Another problem here, is that I have not been impressed with some of the submissions. People who showed promise, failed to follow through with something that would meet the expectations for the appropriate genre/mood, and others don't meet the quality expectations or both...

So we need replacements, or to take on more work, or to help them suck less.

Anyhoo, I've run out of time, so...
Be warned of my on-coming disinterest.

[Chickenwarlord]

I'd be more than willing to work on arrangements (I can't seem to get the hang of anything outside of MIDI programming) if one of you would give it a nice production job :).

[The Joker]

Actually, I finished my track. I decided to use the old sf2, as EHQO didn;t sound right given the fx in the mix. I've also been busy with Project Chaos & Summoning of Spirits lately. But, I'm finished.

[Aetherius]

...well...can we have it?

[The Joker]

What format do you want it in? Just a regular bitrate mp3, highest bitrate mp3, wav? Lemme know & I'll upload it asap.

[Aetherius]

192kbps will be fine, I think

[The Joker]

I'm going to rewrite a good chunk of my track. So, whenever I get done with that, I'll send you an mp3, Aeth.

[Tensei]

Erm..I'm not completely sure about the phase this project is in right now, but I just wanted to say that in case a song is still open, I'd love to do that. I'd prefer to do Tal Tal Mountain Range (if it's still open), but any other track is fine with me. :)

This is my latest WIP/ Remix. There's a couple more of them somewhere around here, but IMO this is the best one. It's an arrangement of 3 zelda-tracks ( from OOT), but it's rather controversive in terms of style, so see for yourself. :roll:

http://media.putfile.com/From-Hyrule-With-Love-WIP-3-24


(the guitar part is still mostly missing though)

[Eposhark]

I'd update the site if there was happening shit. I haven't received any PM's or mails stating "Hey, here is my song, please upload it."

So there wasn't really anything to update. I don't have the time to visit here everyday to check if someone uploaded his doodle somewhere, so I can download, to upload it on the site no one ever visits - everyone already has it from the site it was originally uploaded.

[Aetherius]

Hmm, that's kinda neat, tensai. Crappy mixing, but nice arrangement...you know constrictions I've put on style and mood, though?

[Tensei]

Hmm, that's kinda neat, tensai. Crappy mixing, but nice arrangement...you know constrictions I've put on style and mood, though?

Yeah, I hear that a lot, nice arrangement but crappy mixing :roll:

yes, I'm aware of the style constrictions, I'll definitely be able to abide by them, and I'll pay particular attention to the mixing now :P

I was planning on doing something slow and melancholic, partially orchestral, partially slow rock, with some real solo guitar.

[Dafydd]

I like the sound of that. And the smell of new blood in the project... mmm.

[k u n g f u c h i c k e n]

You have heard a W.I.P, but I will dedicate this weekend to finish the track.

[prophetik]

Hmm, that's kinda neat, tensai. Crappy mixing, but nice arrangement...you know constrictions I've put on style and mood, though?

Yeah, I hear that a lot, nice arrangement but crappy mixing :roll:

yes, I'm aware of the style constrictions, I'll definitely be able to abide by them, and I'll pay particular attention to the mixing now :P

I was planning on doing something slow and melancholic, partially orchestral, partially slow rock, with some real solo guitar.
i'll assist with the mixing half of things, if tensai writes the good arrangement. that's what taucer and i usually do.

you know, you should really use something not as annoying as putfile for this kind of stuff. even yousendit is better for this sort of thing.

[Aetherius]

sorry I haven't made any posts about the new blood lately. I've had a family crisis, which caused me to be away from a computer for the last 5 days.

New guy: I figure you'll do. Get to work.

The Prophet: you are a helpful fellow.

[prophetik]

sorry I haven't made any posts about the new blood lately. I've had a family crisis, which caused me to be away from a computer for the last 5 days.

New guy: I figure you'll do. Get to work.

The Prophet: you are a helpful fellow.

thank you.

[Aetherius]

I have updated the first post with some relatively pertinant information, as well as removing some superfluous information.

Basically, from what I can tell:

the prophet of mephisto is done his faceshrine mix.
The joker is essentially done his dreamshrine mix.
Rexy is done her eagle tower mix.
Dafydd is done his Turtle Rock mix.
IggyKoopa is done his House by the bay mix.
Ichitootah might as well be done his Mr. Write mix. (despite the fact that it's simple, and a first wip, and I haven't seen or heard from him in a year.)
Chthonic is done his Koholint mix.


I am not satisfied with ShinnyMetal's remix. I have no solution to this problem. It is full of unnecessary repetition, and dissonance which is uncharacteristic of this project's mood.

I am not satisfied with spc1st's remix. It is far too abstract, and features very little, if any of the theme he was given.

I have yet to hear a wip from KFC (unless it's this 22 second long intro, which features none of the main theme), but he assures me that he's been workign on it...I don't know what to make of that.

I would really rather be working on my own music than remixing these songs, and so, I am releasing myself from the obligations of this project. Perhaps if I don't feel pressure to work on remixes for this project, I will put more effort into doing so.

As of today, there is no pressure to complete this project. It's almost a year old, and I don't see why it shouldn't be able to take another year or more, if it's going to take one year to get 8 satisfactory remixes of 22 tracks, with 20 remixers or so, etc.

So, finish your tracks as soon as possible. No pressure, to do it immediately (can't you guys self-start?), but DO NOT, repeat DO NOT forget about it. I am sick of remixers making good wips, and then disappearing on me. Either get it done, or go away. Remember to tell me that you're giving up though, or I'll hunt you down, and pee in your mouth. Really.

Love
Starky.

p.s. I'd really love it if this project would stop being on the threshold of a dream, and finally reach that dream stage. hm?

[Dafydd]

Hey Starky

I'm not done with my song, just almost.

Also, a warning: KFC quit my project when school started last year. Also, he's "joined" the MM4 remix project, but he "hasn't picked any songs yet", and hasn't been seen there since. He seems a bit... impulsive. You have been warned.

[KyleJCrb]

So, finish your tracks as soon as possible. No pressure, to do it immediately (can't you guys self-start?), but DO NOT, repeat DO NOT forget about it.

Herein lies the inherit problem with projects: They require a lot of dedication: More dedication than you seem to be willing to give at this point. If you say that you're releasing yourself from the obligations of the project, and that there's no pressure to do it immediately, you're putting the fate of the project into the hands of the remixers. You're leaving a group of people to attempt to function with very little in the way of leadership (from what I can see), which may potentially cause imminent failure of this project. instead staying on top of what your remixers are doing and ensuring the project will continue towards completion. If you want a project done, you essentially have to stay on the ball with all of your remixers and remind them, even if you're sick of it. If someone hasn't been seen in a month, drop them and find a replacement. I know it's a pain in the ass when people won't work, or when they don't work fast enough, but releasing your obligations is basically leaving the project to die. The topic may say this project is dying anyway, but you can save it: It just takes time and work on your part.

Of course, you can completely disregard what I just said and call me an idiot (which is probably true). :lol: You're free to run your project however you like, and if this is the way you want to go with it, it's your call.

[Dafydd]

I think the reason why he's not putting any pressure on us is because it hasn't helped at all so far. All deadlines have been blatantly ignored, people are dropping and joining like cheating girlfriends and so on. I think the reason why we can't just kick people is because we're afraid no one else will join. We've been sitting here for so long and no one cares about us. It's like the project is the boyfriend being cheated on and he's just too ugly and boring to have the courage to say "Enough! I've had it with you!" and go out and find someone new. After so many disappointments, I don't blame Starky for (nearly) giving up.

To me, a remix project wasn't something that should require "leadership". Remixers should consider the project an opportunity to show their skills or to develop as a remixer with the project and its deadlines being an excuse to spend more time doing so. Unfortunately, these views of mine were changed after being in this project for some time. What I have percieved as slow progress, remixer lazyness/absence and my own inability to spend more of my time working on my seemingly hopeless remix and all the problems I had learning to use Reason (many of which I still haven't overcome), along with a rather hostile atmosphere in the thread are all responsible for the fact that I'm still not done with my mix.

Starky, I know you will despise me even more after reading this post, and denounce my amazing and disgusting "flare for the dramatic", but hey, this is me. At least I haven't quit on you yet! I just work slowly. And hey, I'm almost done! WiP 9 is coming in less than... hm... 3 weeks. I PROMISE.

[Aetherius]

You work faster than I do.

I'd rather see you take forever and do a decent job, than see Shinnymetal take 3 days, and do a meh job.

Likewise, I'd rather that everyone take 3 weeks like the prophet of mephisto, and turn out somethign amazing.

But I am finding myself depressed by my feelings of obligation toward this project. I can't write my own original music, because I feel like I should be remixing first, when I don't have any original ideas for the remix.

So, since we can't work with deadlines, and we can't work without them, we get what we have here.

Edit: as yet, all replacements have ALSO disappeared, or proved unsatisfactory.

[Dafydd]

But I am finding myself depressed by my feelings of obligation toward this project. I can't write my own original music, because I feel like I should be remixing first, when I don't have any original ideas for the remix.

Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. Making music because you feel like you have to is so pointless. It's like... having sex because you feel like you have to. (Ahem. Well. :roll:) It kills the fun, and the end result is just... not worth the effort.

[Hylian Lemon]

Too few remixers? Ugh.

If only I had become a better mixer by the time this topic came around, I would join. Well, good luck finding replacements and getting ideas for your remixes.

It's like the project is the boyfriend being cheated on and he's just too ugly and boring to have the courage to say "Enough! I've had it with you!" and go out and find someone new.
Probably because the only ones that like him are even uglier and more boring. XD

[Dafydd]

It's like the project is the boyfriend being cheated on and he's just too ugly and boring to have the courage to say "Enough! I've had it with you!" and go out and find someone new.
Probably because the only ones that like him are even uglier and more boring. XD

... I take that as an insult. ... I think.

[Hylian Lemon]

I mean the people outside of the project. There aren't any good remixers interested in joining.

[prophetik]

lemon, shut up.

this is going down the tubes for one solid reason. when the project started, we didn't attract solid, dependable remixers who finish projects, normally. we attracted n00bs. Haydn, Shinnymetal, spc1st, etc.

that said, we still do have progress. 8 songs is good - we need another 4-6 for a decent project. prizm is remastering our track, it's basically done. we need the commitment to get five more songs done, and we're set. shinnymetal's track, while being quite odd, isn't really all that bad, and neither is spc1st's (i kinda like his.) that leaves three songs, approximately, from this project being completed (to an extent).

aeth, what do you have to say?

[Aetherius]

I say that 13 songs isn't enough to cover the full range of the project.

I also say that Shinnymetal's mix isn't so bad, apart from being 3 minutes too long, having one extremely low point, and being too repetitive.

I say spc1sts mix is alright, but as I say, it's not the song I asked him to do. He appears to have remixed a sound effect, which precedes the actual song, and then ignored the song.

That said, I will not include them 'Just because' if they aren't satisfactory. In their present states, they are not satisfactory.

I say, we do another canvas of the populace. If you know somebody who's bored, and doesn't suck, direct them to the first post of this thread.

[Dafydd]

Will do...

[Aetherius]

lemon, shut up.

Let's leave the fan-abuse to me, thanks.

[prophetik]

I say that 13 songs isn't enough to cover the full range of the project.

I also say that Shinnymetal's mix isn't so bad, apart from being 3 minutes too long, having one extremely low point, and being too repetitive.

I say spc1sts mix is alright, but as I say, it's not the song I asked him to do. He appears to have remixed a sound effect, which precedes the actual song, and then ignored the song.

That said, I will not include them 'Just because' if they aren't satisfactory. In their present states, they are not satisfactory.

I say, we do another canvas of the populace. If you know somebody who's bored, and doesn't suck, direct them to the first post of this thread.as of right now, what songs are not covered? like, which songs that we wanted to do are not finished as of this time. i'm seriously considering just doing the rest myself to get this project finished.

[Aetherius]

no! bad prophet! bad! *Smacks with newspaper*

We don't NEEED to get the project done right away.

Anyhoo Here's the list of not-done people:


Track 1 > Legend of Zelda/Overworld Theme (5/96) ------------------ Sixto
Track 5 > Mysterious Woods (9/96) ----------------- KungFuChicken
Track 7 > Tail Cave (82/96) ----------------- Monobrow
Richard's Villa (64/96) ------------ The Prophet of Mephisto & Prizm
Track 16 > The Ballad of the Windfish (74/96) ------------ Aetherius

Here's the list of empty tracks:

Track 3 > Mabe Village (4/96) (had a few offers, nobody stuck with it)
Track 6 > Tal Tal Heights (6/96) (tensai wanted to do it, haven't heard back)
Track 10 > CatFish's Maw (75/92) (Chris MCGee must be dead, or something)
Track 14 > Inside the Egg (18/96) (Rexy and Graylightning gave up.)
Track 17 > Ballad/End Theme (<63>61/96) ------------ Possible collab of all remixers?

Here's the other tracks that are on the list, but not encouraged:
Bottle Grotto* (21/96)
Animal Village (11/96)
The Trendy/Fishing Games (2/96)<53/96>
Choose a Name (17/96)*

So, that leaves us with 10 incomplete tracks, and 4 more possible additions.

Now,I'd be willing to do a collab on 'Inside the Egg' with someone. I'm lazy getting MYSELF started, but when someone else does half the work for me, it's less of an issue...

[Dafydd]

I'd prefer you'd start working on the Windfish ballad. I'd really like to hear it. Personally, I'd prefer to remix 3/96 over 74/96, but hey.

I gave "inside the egg" a listen. Interesting, difficult song. If you want, I can produce an accurate midi of it sometime next week, if that helps you get started. That's the one thing I'm good at. I'm also a lot better at starting remixes than finishing them... :)

Why is "choose a name" on the list of possible additions? Isn't that just a cut-down version of the original zelda theme?

Also, Tal Tal Heights... I still think it would sound awesome in an Ennio Morricone style.

[Aetherius]

the purpose of the project is not to showcase "styles" it is to showcase music, and the element of sadness that is inherent in most of the music.

[Dhsu]

Hm, I didn't expect the project to go on so long when I quit. I might try to come up with something for Tal Tal Heights, Mabe Village, or Mr. Write (<-- most likely). The problem is all the source material is so short...dunno if I'll be able to pull it off.

[Dafydd]

the purpose of the project is not to showcase "styles" it is to showcase music, and the element of sadness that is inherent in most of the music.

Eh... that wasn't my point. The sadness could well be showcased in that style. And it's not to showcase the style, it's because it'd fit in that style. It sounds like the style already, only it's using gameboy sounds instead of a trumpet and a guitar. But if you think it's a bad idea, then it certainly won't be done, at least not for the project.

[Aetherius]

Dhsu, I'd love to have you on the project.

I don't know if you read my more recent posts, but we're in a bit of a pickle over Mr. Write's theme, because Ichitootah did most of a remix of it, and it's decent, but it's not fabulous. I would rather that, with your talent available to us, you chose one of the more key songs from the game (like Mabe village, or Tal Tal Heights). Personally, I would prefer that you did Mabe Village, but if you're REALLY bent on doing Mr. Write, then go ahead.

edit: Dafydd, I don't want it done in that style because...well, it'd be really cheesey. And cheesey is not what we're going for.

[Dafydd]

Got it.

[Tensei]

Please, I've already PMed Aetherius, but I just wanted to inform everyone about it. TAL TAL MOUNTAIN RANGE IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. I got not one, but 2 WIPs in progress (still have to decide which one to use), and my inactivity last week was because of a trip to Finland, so I apologize for my sudden absence.

[Dafydd]

Yay.

[Dryer Lint]

I heard an amazing WIP for Mr. Write a few months ago here, what became of it? The song is marked as free in the first post.

[Aetherius]

Same thing that happened to all the other wips and mixers...whisked away into some vortex or other...

[Dhsu]

So that leaves Mabe Village. I'll check that one out then.

[prophetik]

Please, I've already PMed Aetherius, but I just wanted to inform everyone about it. TAL TAL MOUNTAIN RANGE IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. I got not one, but 2 WIPs in progress (still have to decide which one to use), and my inactivity last week was because of a trip to Finland, so I apologize for my sudden absence.

if you still want production help (like i emailed and pm'd you about) then please contact me.

[Aetherius]

got a wip from joker today. It had a few issues, but I'm hoping he'll know hwo to take care of them

[prophetik]

bump. haven't heard from tensai yet.

[Ronyn]

Just so you know I'm fully prepared to be denied, but since I don't have any current aspirations for a new mix to work on, maybe you'd like to consider an orchestral mix from me? or maybe it's too late?

I've been composing for a while now, but haven't produced a whole lot for OCR cuz my samples just plain didn't cut it.

I just upgraded my system though, and I'm pretty sure I can cut it. My current WIP is posted:

http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89587

It's more minimalistic then I tend to do, getting used to the new system. If you want to hear something else closer to my composing style, I did a full orchestral Kid Icarus mix:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=447695

The samples suck ass so don't judge the quality. The Wild Arms mix is my current quality.

Let me know, I could probably get something done in a month or two. Less if school goes easy on me.

[Tensei]

bump. haven't heard from tensai yet.

Um, I haven't received any PMs or E-mails from you, I'm sorry. I did send both WIPs to Aetherius through Yousendit, but I'm not sure whether he received them.

[Aetherius]

I might have...I could go look, but they might have expired...

[Tensei]

I've sent the WIP I thought was best to Prophet for the production, and IMO it now definitely has some potential, especially with the live saxophone and guitar that will be added :D

[prophetik]

I've sent the WIP I thought was best to Prophet for the production, and IMO it now definitely has some potential, especially with the live saxophone and guitar that will be added :D

its pretty good, IMO. i'll start work on it as soon as i'm somewhat far aong in a collaborative effort that i'm doing with DragonAvenger.

[Aetherius]

yeah, tensai, those yousendits expired. you should PM me first, to notify me that you've done it, because I tend not to check that particular address much.

[The Joker]

So, I sent you my revised track. Hopefully you got it. So, yeah, just wanted to see if you got it.

[prophetik]

i'm working on tensai's track right now. it actually sounds pretty cool - he's got a good feel.

the only problem is that, while it's rock, its quite upbeat. the chord progression is melancholy enough to make it fit, i think, though.

[prophetik]

bump

[Aetherius]

Prophet (or someone) could you please PM me a link to tensai's wips? I've got nothin' here. his yousendits expired before I'd even heard about their existence.

Anybody else who has more wips, no matter how unimportant, post 'em up. Sorry Joker, I just haven't had time to listen to your newer version. I'll get at it (I'm really busy this week....like, extreme busy.)

[prophetik]

Prophet (or someone) could you please PM me a link to tensai's wips? I've got nothin' here. his yousendits expired before I'd even heard about their existence.

i'll have a wip (with crappy synth guitars) soon. its going to feature me on sax, and tensai on guitars, and the arrangement is his, and the production is mine.

its pretty fast, but the beginning starts out pretty slow and it picks up later.

i'm still waiting for prizm.

[prophetik]

bump - no one's posted since the end of august

[MarioSunshine]

RIP Zelda Project

[Aetherius]

Go away.

[Aetherius]

bump - no one's posted since the end of august

...I'm waiting on your wip.

[prophetik]

which one? prizm's got one - i've emailed him four times and haven't heard from him. i think Ubisoft ate him. as for the other one with tensai, i'm still working on it. trying to clean it up. he needs to record guitar, i need to record sax.

if you want the wip of it with fake everything, fine. i'll yousendit to you.

[ShinnyMetal]

I don't ahve much to say so I'll give it a thurough BUMPING!!!

[prophetik]

I don't ahve much to say so I'll give it a thurough BUMPING!!!

for christ's sake, at least try to spell stuff right, you jackass.

[ShinnyMetal]

meh..im to tired to care right now...it was dieing down...this whole thing seems to be...

[Aetherius]

Oh wah wah wah. quit your bitching.

[The Mutericator]

What would it take to remotivate the remixers on this project?

[Aetherius]

half of them don't need motivation. Half of them don't seem to exist, as far as our sensory perceptors are concerned, and I don't imagine that the ones who don't need motivation are going to feel motivated any time soon, what with their doom and gloom attitudes.

[The Joker]

How about, we just go find new people to work on the tracks that are lagging? Competition does wonders for motivation. Also, Aeth, get to work on your track.

[prophetik]

Also, Aeth, get to work on your track.

agreed.

Anyhoo Here's the list of not-done people:


Track 1 > Legend of Zelda/Overworld Theme (5/96) ------------------ Sixto
Track 5 > Mysterious Woods (9/96) ----------------- KungFuChicken
Track 7 > Tail Cave (82/96) ----------------- Monobrow
Richard's Villa (64/96) ------------ The Prophet of Mephisto & Prizm
Track 16 > The Ballad of the Windfish (74/96) ------------ Aetherius

Here's the list of empty tracks:

Track 3 > Mabe Village (4/96) (had a few offers, nobody stuck with it)
Track 6 > Tal Tal Heights (6/96) (tensai wanted to do it, haven't heard back)
Track 10 > CatFish's Maw (75/92) (Chris MCGee must be dead, or something)
Track 14 > Inside the Egg (18/96) (Rexy and Graylightning gave up.)
Track 17 > Ballad/End Theme (<63>61/96) ------------ Possible collab of all remixers?

Here's the other tracks that are on the list, but not encouraged:
Bottle Grotto* (21/96)
Animal Village (11/96)
The Trendy/Fishing Games (2/96)<53/96>
Choose a Name (17/96)*
there's five names i recognize. i've emailed prizm again - so that's four that we need to keep working on to finish their tracks. tal tal is covered - me and tensai are doing it. so that leaves four tracks with no mixers (unless dhsu wants in, then its three). that's three non mixer tracks and four mixer tracks that need to be done. if aeth gets off his lazy ass and does his work, then that kills off the wind fish theme and the collab, probably, so then we're down to five left to do.

aeth, could you please pm/email the other three mixers that aren't really coming in once and a while? might as well throw dhsu in there too. then, we just need to deal with the last three songs that don't have mixers on it. maybe try chris mcgee again, for good measure.

it'd be nice to have all of the progress listed from page 46-now updated on the site. regardless of what epo said, there's apparently been significant progress done on this project, and no one knew till now. he can contact us individually and get wips that are needed. for christ's sake, the last update was in the beginning of may. we've had progress since then, so we need it updated.

that said, since we're really nearing the finish line on this project, we need to start thinking about getting a website started up. i'm assuming we're going to bastardize the current site for that, so maybe epo could draw up a basic idea to get us started, and we'll go from there.

this project isn't dead, by any means. we've got a significant number of completed tracks, and we've got (assuming aeth does his damn stuff, already, you fucking lazy bastard) seven tracks left (six, once i get my track back from prizm). we're ALMOST THERE. REALLY. so lets just get going on contacting people, and we really could have this whole project finished in a month or two.

that'd show all the people who've been using laproject as a joke for something that's never going to finish.

besides, i'm getting DAMN tired of sitting on my wip, and i want to submit it to OCR already. it's been done for almost a year, and i don't really want to have it sitting on my desktop anymore.

[Aetherius]

it's been done for almost a year, and i don't really want to have it sitting on my desktop anymore.

Put it in a folder.


I'M in no hurry to get this project done. We are by no means close to any finish line, it's not a race, and all the best bands only put out an album every 5 years anyway. :D

[Koelsch1]

all the best bands only put out an album every 5 years anyway. :D

Back in the day, jazz musicians would write and record entire albums in a single session.

[Dafydd]

Liquid Tension Experiment still do. But I guess they could be called at least in part "jazz musicians" by some people.

[Aetherius]

I suppose in the meantime we can discuss the state of music....

The only musicians I can think of offhand who could produce music worth listening to in the space of one year are:
The Beatles, the Moody Blues, and Frank Zappa.

Furthermore, my dislike of jazz provides me with a bias, but it occurs to me that it would be very easy to "write" and record jazz albums in one session if you're using the same goddamn chord progressions over and over again, and then jamming for 3 hours. If you're not doing that, you're just playing someone else's song.

jamming does not equal writing music.

[Xenon Odyssey]

jamming does not equal writing music.

but it's so much fun...

dispite that, this isn't a jazz-based album, hence it is going to take longer (which it has). if i wasn't busy, i'd send aeth my latest to see if it's what he's looking for in a track, but i've enough stuff to do. however, if this is still going on after i'm finished (which it probably will be, judging the rate it is currently going anyhow [Hedgehog Heaven anyone? ;)]), i'll see what's up.

Bring Up My Post

[ShinnyMetal]

I remember you aeth telling me whatyou did not like about my song but I couldn't get any specifics from you...you think you could note me or something on what you don't like...i'll see what I can do.

[Koelsch1]

I suppose in the meantime we can discuss the state of music....

The only musicians I can think of offhand who could produce music worth listening to in the space of one year are:
The Beatles, the Moody Blues, and Frank Zappa.

Furthermore, my dislike of jazz provides me with a bias, but it occurs to me that it would be very easy to "write" and record jazz albums in one session if you're using the same goddamn chord progressions over and over again, and then jamming for 3 hours. If you're not doing that, you're just playing someone else's song.

jamming does not equal writing music.

Your right. Miles Davis and John Coltrane where talentless hacks.

I just find it amusing that you think it takes 5 years to write an album. John Coltrane used to release 2 or 3 albums a year.

BTW, the Beatles where like the Backsteet Boys of the 60s.

[Koelsch1]

dispite that, this isn't a jazz-based album, hence it is going to take longer (which it has).

What? Your taking someone elses music and re-arranging it. And Im guessing that most of the people in this project arnt going to stray too far from the source material. Thats like a weekends work for any competent composer. The reason this album is taking so long is because the guy heading up this project has such a horrible attitude about things. Hes all like "I dont care, whenever it gets done. Dont worry if you go several months without contacting me, or updating me on your progress. Ill wait as long as you need" Stop being such a wimp, and take control.

[Aetherius]

Thats like a weekends work for any competent composer. The reason this album is taking so long is because the guy heading up this project has such a horrible attitude about things. Hes all like "I dont care, whenever it gets done. Dont worry if you go several months without contacting me, or updating me on your progress. Ill wait as long as you need" Stop being such a wimp, and take control.

So, what relevance do YOU as a person, have anything to do with this thread or its contents?

Anyhoo, A weekend's work is quite a bit of time, particularly when you don't even have a lot of time on weekends. Also, a weekend's worth of work isn't enough time for ME to finish a song and have it sound more than half-assed (full-assed would be preferable in this scenario).
My attitude was more positive originally, and it's moreso the fault of the mixers who signed up and disappeared which has given me a more laissez faires attitude, as the only ones who are really doing any complaining are the ones who have ALREADY FINISHED THEIR SONGS. And those people, as far as I'm concerned should adopt my attitude, and ignore this thread until something actually happens, so that they're not always in here trying to blame me for the fact that nobody else wants to be on the project, and therefore the songs won't get done.