Doom II: Delta-Q-Delta - History

[The Orichalcon]

Genre doesn't matter. The pieces have to be up to OCR-quality as a minimum standard with regards to production. The overall style of the music is just to keep the mood dark. Nothing happy. The rest is up to you.

[OverCoat]

I can't see the project forum anymore. It seems to have disappeared?

It's getting very difficult for me to stay interested in this project.

[The Orichalcon]

I can't see the project forum anymore. It seems to have disappeared?

It's getting very difficult for me to stay interested in this project.

Given your various nicknames, I removed you by mistake. It'd help if you kept the same name. You're readded.

[OverCoat]

Ah thanks

Yeah sorry I thought I'd be clever and use "Pardessus" because it's a french forum :D

[The Orichalcon]

Bump. Strongly encouraging mixers to at least try out. You never know if your style is what I'm looking for.

[The Joker]

Is map 30 up for grabs? If it is, I got a remix I started for fun. So, i'd like to know if it's open for sure, or if Overcoat is still doing it.

[OverCoat]

Is map 30 up for grabs? If it is, I got a remix I started for fun. So, i'd like to know if it's open for sure, or if Overcoat is still doing it.

!

Hmm...

I'll have to think about this. I had a thought that maybe I should just drop map 30 and try another song, especially since it seems a bit of the soundtrack has now opened back up. I literally took Map 30 because it was the last one available [aka nobody wanted the piece of shit]. Track 5 sounds enticing...

[OverCoat]

*sigh*

Okay yeah fuck Map 30, that thing has drained out all my inspiration, I turn into a vegetable whenever I even hear the song. I'd like to switch to the Waste Tunnels, if that's OK. Pretty sure I can come up with something awesome.


Er rather take, not switch, as I was technically booted from the project, I guess! :S

[The Orichalcon]

All right Overcoat, come up with a WIP for me sometime in the near future and we can see if you're back on.

Joker, send me the WIP for Map 30 too.

[The Joker]

i'll upload the song tonite.

Also, I made a little sig for our project. I wanted to make a logo for our project, & came up with this.

http://www.paletteswap.com/joker/Imagines/DeltaQDelta.jpg

It's not the full logo, nor is it the official one, only the lettering. So, if any body wants to use this, or tweak it for their own use, go ahead!

[The Orichalcon]

Bump. Gotta ensure this topic doesn't die.

[Macavity]

Joker, I actually came up with a similar DQD design for some of my early cover-art work. :lol:

[Josh Whelchel]

I'm very happy that this project is out there. I'd love to pick up the slack on Map 07: Shawn's Got The Shotgun, although I'm a little sad I wasn't here in time for Sandy's City :P

Anyway, here are some WIPs (please, emphasis there XD) that show my current ability:
http://josh.syntesis.org/_pubix/mynameismark/Boss1.mp3
http://josh.syntesis.org/_pubix/mynameismark/OutWorlders.mp3

Here are some (still WIPs) vocal mixes:

http://josh.syntesis.org/_pubix/Man%20of%20Monopoly%20untitled%20remix%20d3.mp3

http://josh.syntesis.org/_pubix/Lifestream%20Blast%20v4.mp3

There you go. Let me know what you think! :D

[The Orichalcon]

Not quite the mixing standard I'm after, Twiterror. Thanks for showing an interest.

I've sent out a few requests to some OCR artists to join. If anyone currently on the project knows someone who might suit the project, feel free to let me know.

[Quinn X5]

Count me in!

I'll pick a track in earnest by Sunday, but I've needed something to work on, and this is right up my alley.

Cheers!

[Liontamer]

Count me in!

I'll pick a track in earnest by Sunday, but I've needed something to work on, and this is right up my alley.

Cheers!
If you're locked out of your main account, Quinn (seems like the case), lemme know and I'll have djp fix it as soon as I find him.

[The Orichalcon]

Count me in!

I'll pick a track in earnest by Sunday, but I've needed something to work on, and this is right up my alley.

Cheers!

Quinn Fox I'm assuming as Larry did. Yeah your music style would suit this project nicely. You can't go wrong with John Romero's favourite remixer.

[Quinn X5]

Yeah, I guess I'll nab 'Opening to Hell.' I've already started a remix of it....


From what I can see, it's not yet taken, so sign me up for that one.

For good!

~Quinn

P.S. 'Tamer, indeed.... my old moniker was Quinn X5, but there's no way to get that password back. Do what ya can, lemme know....

P.S.S. So strange...... Doom changed the way I played and judged a game, and the creator is a big fan of my music??? I could never have imagined such flattery.... Romero is a great guy, and I'll always envy him. I'll do my best on this project.

[The Orichalcon]

Yeah, I guess I'll nab 'Opening to Hell.' I've already started a remix of it....


From what I can see, it's not yet taken, so sign me up for that one.

For good!

~Quinn

P.S. 'Tamer, indeed.... my old moniker was Quinn X5, but there's no way to get that password back. Do what ya can, lemme know....

P.S.S. So strange...... Doom changed the way I played and judged a game, and the creator is a big fan of my music??? I could never have imagined such flattery.... Romero is a great guy, and I'll always envy him. I'll do my best on this project.

I've put you on the track, and I trust you'll do something amazing with it.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Romero's a great guy. He fell into the wrong frame of mind. But you have to respect him for creating some of the games we all love (and hate.)

[Ralphis]

Romero believes strongly in supporting and encouraging fans of his older games to continue developing for them including Doom and Doom2. Also I've had the pleasure of speaking and playing a few games with him.

Seems really nice to me

[The Orichalcon]

Due to other priorities, I've removed Hemo from Track 28. So if anyone's interested, have a listen and see if it suits your style.

[Cerrax]

I'm hoping that track 5 DOOM is still open. Because I think I'd like to give that a try.

I'll post a WIP soon, but here's a few samples of stuff I've been working on recently:

(Please keep in mind that I havce recently purchased Logic 7, so my abilities will be greatly enhanced by not being forced into shit by Garage Band.)

http://remix.thasauce.net/mixer/20/ (My profile on Remix: ThaSauce)

http://www.cerrax.com/Kraid%20new%203.mp3 (My newest WIP, a remix of Kraid's Lair from Metroid)

[The Orichalcon]

Had a listen to a few of your tracks, Cerrax. They're not up to the quality level I'm after, I'm afraid. Sample and production issues mainly make me hesitate to accept you to the project.

Still, if you want to make a WIP for the track, PM it to me and I'll take a listen, if it's good I'll recant.

[The Orichalcon]

Evilhorde's tracks are completed and have been sent to me. Might I say they're very good.

[The Joker]

So, update on me & LuIzA's track, over at the project forum! Yay!

[Rexy]

I'm still waiting on feedback of my own track. It's been a month and nothing is going on. No offence, but are you purposely trying to cut me out of the picture?

[The Orichalcon]

I've already said I'm not going to chase people on their tracks. You've been on my MSN for a while now and you haven't actively sought out a conversation about your track yet.

[Jack the Ripper]

I'm interested, and I'll be having a look over the available tracks to see if there's something I can work with. Thanks, TO, for the email.

[nousentre]

Hey T.O.

Check your e-mail for a link to my remix for track 7.

[Jack the Ripper]

Well, that shits me. I started doing a mix of "Endgame" because I got that mixed up with the Intermission track being called "End Level" on the list of available tracks.. I suppose I'll have to hold that one off for later. I'll still give the other ones a whirl, and see if anything sticks.

You alive, TO? ;)

[The Orichalcon]

Sure am.

You're in Perth now? Wonderful choice of living place. I'll have to have a chat with you, see if you live nearby.

I'll send you an email back shortly.

nousentre: I got the email, I'll have a listen and send you one back shortly too.

[The Orichalcon]

All right, back in Site Projects now that the mixer list is a bit more full.

Revolver Project will be joining shortly, once he's sent a WIP, and I'm expecting the mixers who have signed up to take a track to start working on their pieces soon if not already.

[Sixto]

I'll start work on Demon's Dead as soon as I finish what I'm working on now (couple of paying projects.) Not sure if I'll be able to take both tracks, but I'll try.

[The Orichalcon]

I'll take your name down from the other track. You can reclaim it if you have enough time later on.

[The Orichalcon]

Revolver Project's confirmed for the EndGame track, and I've taken Getting Too Tense in place of Hemophiliac for earlier in the year.

[Jack the Ripper]

Hey there, glad to see Revolver up on the list. I'm having a little trouble with the mix, it's gone a bit stale. I might need to trash a good chunk of it to get creative again - I hate the feeling of just going through the motions trying to write anything. Also, since the Endgame track doesn't have a lot to it, I was wondering if it would be out of the question that I borrow here and there from any other songs on the soundtrack - I would still keep it predominantly the Endgame mix, if I did.

I'm planning on investing in a decent set of headphones to mix with in the next few days, so that might lift my spirits a bit.

[The Orichalcon]

Feel free to incorporate other Doom 2 songs in your mix, I won't stop you. Especially since you're doing EndGame, it'd make an interesting close.

[Doulifée]

Working on a cd cover and/or logo for the project:

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/4024/deltad26va.th.png (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deltad26va.png)

[The Orichalcon]

I'd like a progress update from people currently sitting on tracks. Namely Quinn Fox, Sixto, Beatdrop.

[The Joker]

I really like that cover Douli. The only thing I would change is the font you used ofr "DooM2 Remix Project". Maybe use something a bit more simpler to fit in with the serious tone the rest of it has.

I need to get to work on my cover/logo as well. Multiple covers rock!

[The Orichalcon]

Updated with DJ Redlight's completed piece. Beatdrop's been beat-dropped from the project.

Joker, I received your piece, I've ordered a new computer with parts that should be arriving in about 10 days, so I can do the drums/percussion for it then and tick you off the list.

[The Joker]

So, I've been playing around with my own version of a Front Cover, & I think it's coming along nicely.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s120/JTownus/DeltaQDeltaFront.png

Sooo, yeah, that's what I got so far. It might be finished... I dunno. Thought I'd share it.

[The Orichalcon]

Mazedude's sent in his second and final part of the project. So he's been marked as completed.

Joker, I'll be working on your piece shortly, and it'll be crossed off once it's done.

If anyone has any idea where Quinn Fox and Sixto might've disappeared to, let me know.

[The Joker]

TO, did you get the Wav I sent you?

[The Orichalcon]

Sure did. Need to chat to you in private.

[The Joker]

coolness. Just let me know when & how.

[The Orichalcon]

I'd like to welcome to djpretzel to the project.

Still yet to hear anything from Quinn Fox or Sixto.

[Jack the Ripper]

Hey, I've been sort of AWOL since my last post. I'm going to be jumping back into trying to get something done with this track. If anyone else wants to give it a try, or share ideas, feel free to.

[The Orichalcon]

Quinn Fox and Sixto have been booted from the project. So if anyone had their eye on one of those tracks, let me know.

Also, RP, let me know how you're going with that track. If you're struggling, feel free to try any of the other free tracks.

[Ragnor]

I have rather great expectations for this project. DSoP is one of my favourite albums ever, so I was rather excited to hear of this followup.

By any chance would a third one for Final Doom ever be started?

And one more thing, the album title, where did you get the name from? The possible coverart posted earlier is pretty awesome (The one thats now in a guys sig)

I wish you guys luck with this project

[The Orichalcon]

It's doubtful a Final Doom project would be started. It's just not popular enough to even bother trying.

Delta-Q-Delta comes from the cheatcode in the game for invincibility, ie: IDDQD. DQD was a phony fraternity name that the creators came up with to explain the team working on the game.

[TheThoughtfulOne]

I can't believe I didn't hear about this sooner... I listen to DSoP about once a month (if not more) and I've always been a Doom/Doom2 fan. I can't wait to see what you all come up with. I'd love to lend a hand, but (even though I am a musician) I can't remix worth a damn, and I've let my graphic skills drastically and shamefully drop. But Again, I wish you all the luck and I can't wait to see the fruits of your labor!

[The Orichalcon]

Not quite what I'm looking for, Slothboy. Thanks for applying though.

[The Orichalcon]

I'd like to welcome Phoenix to the project after a more than decent WIP was submitted for Track 10.

[phoenixdk]

Thank you very much, and I think my track is pretty much already finished. I'm thinking of doing another one...

I'm really looking forward to hearing what everyone's contributed with! That alone is almost motivation enough to do another track, so it'll be done sooner!

[John Revoredo]

Still some mixes to be done?

Check out some of my works (click on the links)
http://media.putfile.com/Prometheus-TheHouse-v3
http://media.putfile.com/Prometheus-Forsaken

If you think I'm good enough to contribute, please , send me a private message (or post it here in the forum, i dont mind :-) )

[The Orichalcon]

Had a listen to your tracks and replied in PM, Prometheus. Get back to me when you can.

Phoenix has sent me his second and final track. Kudos to him for working so fast and creating such great music. He's also changed his name to phoenixdk to match his forum name. It's also a unique match on last.fm so that's all the better for him.

Still a few tracks open. Mixers are limited to two tracks. So if anyone who current has one wants to take another, go for it, send me a WIP.

Once the website is designed, I'll be asking mixers to send a bio description and a picture with a theme, so don't do any of that just yet.

[The Orichalcon]

I've also come to a very difficult decision to remove Joker/LuIzA's Map09 remix from the project. While the mix did sound all right, it was ultimately too liberal in arrangement for what I'm after. Both LuIzA and Joker are more than welcome to pick up another track or have another go at the same track.

Map09 is now available.

[Hemophiliac]

haha hot dinger and that's the track i originally wanted to do.

[John Revoredo]

Yo!

Did a wip of track 09 "into sandy's city". :-D

[John Revoredo]

just finished into sandy's city mix

[The Orichalcon]

For those interested, the tracks I've received have been mastered, rendered and finalised for the album, except for those neighbouring unfinished tracks. Once I've received DJRedlight, Zircon/Pixie and Djpretzel's finished pieces I'll call that an end to the mixing stage even if the last few tracks haven't been finished. Want to get this project out the door without resorting to accepting low-quality material as filler.

It's likely the album will be one CD this time around.

[B33J]

Quuuestion: How updated is your first post? Are those tracks still available?

Track 04 - Between Levels
Track 07 - Shawn's got the Shotgun
Track 09 - Into Sandy's City
Track 28 - Getting Too Tense
Track 30 - Opening To Hell


I could certainly see Opening To Hell sounding like a Nine Inch Nails', A Warm Place, Eraser or Reptile-esque song.

[Jack the Ripper]

I'm in London at the moment, and am going to be in Cleveland for about a month. I'm going to use some of the time to meet up with some friends and get guitar recorded for Endgame. Hopefully, I will be able to finish the track after this.

[The Orichalcon]

I could certainly see Opening To Hell sounding like a Nine Inch Nails', A Warm Place, Eraser or Reptile-esque song.

I'd be quite pleased to see someone do Opening to Hell in the style of NIN's Eraser. Some good hard industrial drumming would go well with that.

Jack: Glad to hear you're still on board.

[John Revoredo]

Ok.. I've done a new version of "Into Sandy's City".
TO, check your e-mail :-D

Regards,
John

[B33J]

I'd be quite pleased to see someone do Opening to Hell in the style of NIN's Eraser. Some good hard industrial drumming would go well with that.

O RLY?

Well I wish I had the studio to make that kinda song. Eraser is one of my favorite songs.... I love that deep, dark, powerful sound. Reason alone won't cut it. :-(

[Ragnor]

I agree with TO. For some odd reason, NIN usually reminds me of Doom, so Opening to Hell in a similar style wouldn't be too out of place

[Xtormrage]

Which songs are still available?

[The Joker]

I just might try doing a Eraser type remix for Opening to Hell, provided I have enough time before the release to do it. And if the track is still really open.

[The Orichalcon]

Track 05 "DOOM" is now available for mixing, as DJR has switched to and almost completed a remix of Track 07.

[Jack the Ripper]

I'm back in Perth, with unfortunately no further progress on the mix. I tried to record guitar in Cleveland, only to find that some of my equipment didn't work properly with my laptop. If anyone could put me in touch with a good/dependable guitarist for this project, it would be much appreciated. The mix, as it is, has a GOA/Psytrance undercurrent with industrial tones, and I am looking to make it harder.

[The Orichalcon]

I'd like to hear a WIP if possible, Jack. Can you email an mp3 to my email address?

I'd also recommend contacting either Evilhorde, phoenixdk or Sixto for guitar, since they appear to be the best available guitarists likely to respond.

[The Orichalcon]

September 2007 update
DQD is nearing completion. The majority of the tracks have been completed, with the rest being worked on. A few are remaining open so we're still welcoming new mixers. We'll be waiting until the FF7 project has been released before considering a release date for DQD. Plus we'd like to make sure that everything is taken care of properly, instead of releasing prematurely. We've waited this long, might as well do it right!

Potential new mixers: As there are only a few tracks left, we're looking to fill them as soon as possible. If you're interested in an open track, just start a WIP and send it to me. If it sounds like what I'm after, I'll get you to finish it and add you to the list.

[Jack the Ripper]

I'd like to hear a WIP if possible, Jack. Can you email an mp3 to my email address?

I'd also recommend contacting either Evilhorde, phoenixdk or Sixto for guitar, since they appear to be the best available guitarists likely to respond.

Yeah, no prob. Consider it sent.

[John Revoredo]

Agh.. I made a longer introduction for the 31 Seconds mix, but THE LIGTHS WENT OUT WHEN I ALMOST FINISHED IT...........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA......... shit.......... Okay.. I'm re-doing it right now

[Flik]

I'm tempted to take a stab at one of the remaining tracks. Maybe the final level if it's still open...

[The Orichalcon]

I'm tempted to take a stab at one of the remaining tracks. Maybe the final level if it's still open...

You're very welcome to have a crack at that track. I like your style of mixing and nobody's on that one at the moment.

[Flik]

Awesome. If it's the track I'm thinking of (the level where you blast rockets into the evil head) then I may have some neat ideas to try out when I'm back in town after this weekend.

[The Orichalcon]

Yep, that's Map30.

[John Revoredo]

Okay.. finally the 31 seconds mix with extended intro is done...
The Orichalcon : --> I'm not sure if the first two bell "dings" should go in the song... i think it could be better erasing them.. (anyways.. that's 2 seconds of erasing, i think)

Well.. I hope u like it man.. I'm really willing to see this project released ^^

[Flik]

Ok, while in the process of cleaning a mass quantification of junk out of my basement, drinking smirnoff grape, and sitting in chat, I just now came up with the perfect way to start my track. When I'm done destroying everything down here I'll head up to the "studio" and get something started.

[John Revoredo]

okay, I'm giving a try to do a Nine-Inch-Nails - ish mix of Opening to Hell with a singer whose voice resembles to Kurt Cobain's voice (sorry I couldn't find any Trent Reznor LOL) ... Do you guys think this one can get in the project?.. Anyways, if it doesn't , I'm planning to finish it anyways and send it to OCr... ^^

[big giant circles]

I've got about a minutes worth of junk that I've kicked around for an Icon of Sin remix. Seems like there's a few people looking to do that one. We could always attempt another 8 person collab in effort to rival OWA :)

[djredlight]

That reminds me.

A few of the tracks on the Doom 2 soundtrack are based heavily around certain rock songs, and it was decided not long ago that remixes of these tracks in particular won't be accepted onto OCR:

Map07 - Shawn's got the shotgun - Dead Simple
Slayer - South of Heaven

Map10 - The Demon's Dead - Refueling Base
Slayer - Mandatory Suicide
Black Sabbath - Time Machine (Wayne's World Version)

Map18 - Waiting for Romero to Play - The Courtyard
Pantera - This Love

Map23 - Bye Bye American Pie - Barrels O' Fun
Alice in Chains - Them Bones

Map25 - Adrian's Sleep - Bloodfalls
Alice in Chains - Angry Chair


So if you're planning on submitting to OCR and you've taken one of these tracks, you'll have to pass on it this time.


I was unaware of this until yesterday when i read that post (after completing two of the aforementioned tracks).

According to John Romero, (lead designer of doom 2) on his own website (http://rome.ro/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=984131ae5ed449a17e102eaa99b044 87&topic=4060.0).

"..Bobby Prince was a lawyer before he was a musician. He knew the legal amount of sampling that he could do without getting into trouble."

As far as i know, Id software nor Bobby Prince ever encountered legal problems regarding the soundtrack.

From the ocr faq, regarding remix source qualifiers...

"..The music does have to be from a game, however - it can't be a bonus track off a commercial OST that wasn't actually in the game. In addition, popular movie themes (i.e. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc.) or commercial songs that happened to be used in game soundtracks are not valid ReMix material. The music has to have been composed for the game, not simply used within it."

If he was allowed to copy as much as he did for the tracks to be legally considered original compositions for the doom 2 soundtrack, and not simply just covers, shouldn't that make them eligible for OCR?

[John Revoredo]

I've got about a minutes worth of junk that I've kicked around for an Icon of Sin remix. Seems like there's a few people looking to do that one. We could always attempt another 8 person collab in effort to rival OWA :)

Whoa.. that could be great fun, man! ^^ I would be chillin' loving forward to that.. I'll send ya what I've done so you tell me what you think ! :roll:

--edit:--

To DjRedlight: I've also found this
http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/Bobby%20Prince%20is%20a%20Filthy%20Thief.mp3
An mp3 that showcases the similarities between known songs and doom tunes.

Here is the individual comparison
http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/

[djredlight]

No arguments from me there, i know he's based the soundtrack heavily on those songs, some moreso than others. My point is that if he's rearranged the tracks enough for them to be considered legally an original composition, wouldnt that qualify as a song written for the game's soundtrack and hence a valid OC remix source?

[The Orichalcon]

Well, the exclusion tracks were sort of decided back when Dark Side of Phobos was still under works. David suggested that we let the cover tracks slide for that project (ie: remixes of covered rock songs were still allowed to be posted to OCR then) but enforce the rule once the project was finished. So that means that tracks on DQD are subject to the rule.

Now, I started a topic on the panel to get opinions on whether or not we could make another exception for DQD, specifically because of how good DJR's Map 18 remix is.

The general opinion was that Larry and David would take each track into consideration as they were presented, since some tracks are direct covers (map 18,) where other tracks just use parts of songs to create an entirely new song (map 07.)

I didn't exclude them from the project because, covers or not, they're what made Doom 2's soundtrack complete, and they're going to be remixed for the project. The only screw in the woodworks is that remixes of the covered songs won't be elligable for direct posting to OCR. They'll still be on the project website (likely to be doom2.ocremix.org) as well as in the torrent and mirrors. They'll get just as much exposure as the rest of the doom 2 project tracks that aren't posted to OCR (It's likely that a maximum of 4 or 5 will be posted to OCR, which is what happens with every project.)

So, I'm sorry if I didn't make the ruling specifically clear on those tracks. It's worth pointing out that it's not really a legal issue with the exclusion so much as a personal choice by Dave on the site's behalf. He's made the decision that the site caters more to remixes of truely unique songs written for games than songs that are inspired by rock tracks or other people's work.

Anyway, I'm all for getting as many DQD tracks posted to OCR as possible. So if anyone wants to submit a remix of one of those tracks, just run it by me first and I'll see what I can do about getting it posted.

Just so you know, DJR, I'm gonna chat to Larry about your Map07 remix tonight if possible and get it put in the direct post queue for the project's release along with Evilhorde's Map01 mix. Map07's source is original except for the drums which were covered from Slayer's "South of Heaven", so melodically the parts that you actually remixed are fine and should be allowed.

[Liontamer]

This is just my opinion, and not the panel's collective call.

TO brought up Map18 in May, and I'm 100% on not allowing it. I also don't care what Prince did in terms of legally insulating himself. Some of the remixes on OCR could probably be considered originals by that reasoning. IMO, the legal status of the Doom tracks has got nothing to do with how similar some Doom tracks sound next to their mainstream inspirations.

Just to clarify, I've only done comparisons with Map18 and Map07. Other Doom 2 sources in question, I will be glad to check the others in due time and report back here with how I felt about the comparisons.

In the meantime, I'm quoting myself from a judges discussion post a few minutes ago:

As far as Map18 goes, I'm dead set against it. It's not using all of Pantera, but like I said and like Jesse said, the parts that are used are near-verbatim. No dice from me.

Map07 is definitely a lot more debateable. Prince isn't using the Slayer melody at all; The similarity/derivation is obvious, but ultimately I personally don't think we'd count Map07 as an arrangement of Slayer. To me it clearly sounds inspired by Slayer, but so different as to be considered an original composition. I'd say Prince actually distanced himself enough from it. I can only speak for myself though.
IMO, Map07 seems fine to me. We gotta make sure some other Js feel the same. I personally would have 0 problem with Map07 as acceptible source material.

Like I just mentioned to TO, lemme just run Map07 by one or two more of our colleagues just to make sure there's no conflict, and I'll be glad to basically sign off on it. Don't pull your hair out, Ash. :-P

[djredlight]

Thanks for getting back to me on this one Larry, and so you know, I'm not "pulling my hair out", I'm simply looking after my own work.

I can understand where you're coming from and thats fine. Its not my position to argue with your's, Dave's or the panel's opinion on what is considered a valid source. I'd just like to make it clear that whichever of my works OCRemix won't consider, I will withdraw and keep for myself.

Apologies to TO, I wish I was aware of all this earlier.

[Liontamer]

I'd just like to make it clear that whichever of my works OCRemix won't consider, I will withdraw and keep for myself.

Our eligibility standards have no bearing on the quality of a track, though it's unlikely you read into it that way.

Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly, but if I am, what's the long-term benefit of withdrawing a track from the project on account of it not being eligible for OCR? Seems like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. When the project hits, most fans who hear of DQD won't hear about it because of this site's main page, they'll hear about it through internet word of mouth.

A Map18 mix still honors Doom II in the scope of the album project, yet fans who will download the album would end up not hearing what you made as a result of a pull. It just sounds like they would all lose out, AND you would lose out on that opportunity to increase both your fanbase and fan nostalgia for Doom II.

[djredlight]

I see the whole thing as quite frankly, very petty and silly. Some tracks are acceptable and some are not, but you might allow them subject to a debate. DQD's tracks are subject to all this rubbish, but DSOP's weren't. But as I said, its your perogative to do what you will, and I'm in no position to argue with the system. But had I known about any of this, I wouldn't have remixed either of the tracks I did.

Increasing fan nostalgia? From what I gather, OCRemix's opinion is that the tracks in question are actually composed by commercial bands, and not for the Doom 2 soundtrack. However you'll let them slide in DQD for the sake of a complete project.

As far as cutting off my own nose, think about what you're asking me to do. You're asking me to post my music on the same site that is screaming out black and blue that it was originally a rip and not an acceptable source. So no, I cant say i share your view, It doesn't do me, or my music, any favours for it to be muddied by all of this.

As I said before, this has nothing to do with being posted on OCRemix. In between school and work and other things going on, those remixes took me months to do and I refuse to treat them flippantly.

[Liontamer]

We don't "let anything slide" for the sake of inclusion on a project. What's allowable for a project is more of a question of what game was involved, as well as the project director's discretion.
the same site that is screaming out black and blue that it was originally a rip and not an acceptable source
From what I gather, OCRemix's opinion...
This is just my opinion, and not the panel's collective call.
With that said, we did in fact debate DSoP informally among the panel and we'll be debating DQD. Everything that's been debated re: Doom II will be looked at, including how DSoP was decided on in the past, so there's a lot to consider. To clarify though, nothing has been decided yet with this game.

[djredlight]

TO informed me of this last night.

As far as Map18 goes, I'm dead set against it. It's not using all of Pantera, but like I said and like Jesse said, the parts that are used are near-verbatim. No dice from me.

The example you chose, map 18, barely qualifies as a remix. It's nearly verbatim, and there is nothing in the doom track that isnt in pantera. just because the guy didn't just stick the Pantera MP3 into doom doesn't mean he did anything particularly creative with it, which he didnt. genre adaptation, whatever. It's the same song, minus the later sections.

It appears that the panel has already taken a stance on this, that Map 18 was indeed composed by Pantera.

Of the five "black-listed" tracks in doom 2, FOUR have been remixed already and are currently hosted on OCR. Not to mention the numerous tracks with the same status from Doom 1 and DSoP. The whole thing has become quite ridiculous, and seems to only apply to my work. Hypocrisy aside, I was asked to join this project only to stumble upon this by accident after I had finished my remixes. Needless to say this project has become a sizeable waste of time for me.

I don't understand why you would call for remixes of these questionable soundtracks for an OCRemix site project on one hand, yet condemn those remixes by taking the stance that they were never written by the composer we're supposed to be honoring on the other.

I am withdrawing myself and my remixes; Map 7 ("Dance of the Mancubus") and Map 18 ("Still Waiting") from the project. I'd like to avoid any further debate over my music as I didn't join this project to remix Pantera or Slayer.

Again, my apologies to TO.

[The Orichalcon]

Tracks 07 and 18 are now available.

Edit: Also, added further information to the first post to make it absolutely clear what the status is on individual tracks in the project.

[tweek]

Just to let you know, I'm working on Map 5, and not Map 4 :).

[analoq]

Needless to say this project has become a sizeable waste of time for me.

sounds like you joined this project for the wrong reasons. my contribution is ineligible for OCR as well, but i didn't join this project to get a remix on OCR, i joined it to contribute to the project. in this case: why should i or anyone care what the judges think?

i agree TO shouldn't of asked for remixes of those songs; if he's not gonna include the Wolfenstein songs but include the Pantera songs... it's not a complete project anyways. his stance doesn't make much sense, but it doesn't make much difference either.

clearly you'd prefer to throw a tantrum than contribute to this project, so i suppose a "fuck off and have a nice day" would be appropriate but i'll just leave it at:
cheers.

[The Orichalcon]

i agree TO shouldn't of asked for remixes of those songs; if he's not gonna include the Wolfenstein songs but include the Pantera songs... it's not a complete project anyways. his stance doesn't make much sense, but it doesn't make much difference either.

I had a good think about those wolfenstein tracks and decided that since they're the exact same versions as were in the game wolfenstein (where-as the Pantera/Slayer stuff is either covers or arrangements for Doom 2) then it wasn't really Doom 2 music. Besides, Map31 is itself a rearrangement of the song Black Sabbath which would've made it inelligible also.

But I'm not absolutely against a Map31 or 32 remix. If anyone made a good remix of them for the project I'd certainly consider adding them.

But as for why I added these 5 pieces for the project. They're part of Doom 2, whether they're based on rock songs or not. The MIDI's that are in the game are unique to that game, so there's really no point in leaving them out.

[anosou]

I might try one of the tracks. I'll keep in touch and hook TO up with a WIP when and if I start one.

[LiezaMcDohl]

Personally I have to agree with redlight. I mean honestly, if you are currently hosting the remixes of these songs, then I do not see the problem with hosting them now. If one actually looks into the facts, Bobby Prince was told to remix those songs by such bands for Doom because they were popular at the time. The songs themselves have a few moments within them that makes references to the songs done by Pantera and whatnot, however, not the entire song is that song. Music is a free subject, people use other bands rifts, beats, etc all the time for their own music. An example of something like this would be Kashmir by Led Zepplin being used by Puff Daddy in his song, Come With Me, featured on the 1998 Godzilla movie.

Now beyond my rant, personally I believe that music is music. The songs were used within a game, correct? Thus a remix of this track is technically by accounts considered to be remixing Game Music, which if I recall is what this site is all about. I am not trying to start anything huge or argumentive about this, however, I felt it was right to state my opinions on this matter. I am pretty indifferent on Doom 2, I never really played it that much compared to Doom 1, but I do have the soundtrack because I enjoy listening to it.

That would be my two cents. Ignore it if you wish, or whatever.

[The Orichalcon]

I agree with both of you. Unfortunately I have no control over what happens with what's accepted to the site or not.

[The Orichalcon]

I've decided that in spite of Ashley's request for removal, I'm keeping the tracks in the project.

Future rule for reference: Once you commit to the project, your track stays on the project. You fuck things up for everyone if you remove your tracks over stupid reasons, so make sure you actually want to stick by the project before committing to it.

[djredlight]

No Lee, you wont be. I wasn't making a request.

I may have agreed to remix for the project, but you deliberately withheld information from me.

TO brought up Map18 in May..

If thats true, and you were arguing "black and blue" for my map 18 remix, how come i wasnt made aware of any of it BEFORE I started work on map 9? I dont like being played.

Besides..

..You fuck things up for everyone..

I might try one of the tracks.

You've already had a request, you just haven't bothered to respond yet.

So just to make it perfectly clear; you do NOT have my permission to use my content in your project.

[djpretzel]

Hmmph.

Well, this is unfortunate. Guys, ultimately this is about releasing free arrangements of video game music. That seems to have somehow morphed/escalated into a huge argument. I'm going to be completely honest: I don't have the time to step in, listen to each side in detail, mediate, and attempt to achieve harmony in the universe and peace for our time. My work laptop died this morning, I have to go return a loaner car and pay for my car window being fixed for the third time in as many years, and I'm hungry, among other compelling reasons this particular evening.

From what I do understand and have been told, admittedly secondhand, I'll just offer the following:
It was natural for Ashley to be frustrated when finding out about the nature of his pieces, but rash to blame this on Lee, and worse still to remove the pieces from the project.
From a policy perspective, however, all OCR albums need to have artists involved willingly sign our content policy, specifically for that album, even if they've already agreed for past submissions. We can't host/post an album that includes pieces submitted against an artist's wishes, without the content policy being agreed to specifically for that album.So, both of you potentially have something to think about, given those two points.

[Liontamer]

I agree with djp that TO can't just insist these tracks be included. Redlight needs to agree to be included, especially with possible plans to make promo copies of this album as well, which IMO adds another dimension to things.

I may have agreed to remix for the project, but you deliberately withheld information from me.

No, that's an implication you made.

The nature of the Doom II sources had no bearing on whether those tracks would be allowed on the project itself, just the OCR main page. Plus, I can't emphasize enough that we on staff haven't decided what to do with the overall Doom situation. I have my opinion but that's only based on one aspect of the situation. You have concluded that we have some sort of finalized stance, which we're far from having. Where TO was 100% wrong was in stating that those various tracks were already deemed ineligible for OCR. Despite what he said, they weren't. It wasn't decided then, it hasn't been decided now.

The Doom II soundtrack having some mainstream-derived sources is common knowledge among many fans of the game, which is why I don't believe TO felt the need to say so beforehand. That also explains why, by extension, he wouldn't believe that someone would be mad about that fact. But that's only an inference and I could be dead wrong, so TO has to explain his frame of mind there.

While it definitely would have been better for all involved for TO to have highlighted the issue earlier in the project thread, he did as soon as he realized the implications for his project and that he hadn't made light of the issue to everyone on board.

While I can understand that you wish you knew of a potential controversy re: eligibility for the main page, saying TO intentionally deceived you is 1) assuming bad faith and 2) reaching.

If TO knew anyone would have been upset regarding the source tunes mixed and could have instead directed them to other source tunes, he would have. And if he really wanted to deceive anyone, he easily could have:

1) Just waited for the project to be completed AND released, essentially locking in the tracks, and only then make light of the issue
2) Waited for you to submit the track, and only then make light of the issue
3) Not make light of the issue at all

Again, let's not assume bad faith. This "deception" conclusion is definitely not correct. You guys need to shake hands or hug or something. No matter what, there's nothing so deep going on here that we can't be friendly and mature.

[djredlight]

I was in constant contact with Lee via MSN during the time this discussion was taking place. If there was such a controversy over my work in May, why was I not told? I finished work on the second remix in early September. Why wasnt it brought to my attention at any time during that period? By accident? Or again, was I supposed to have known all this from a message that was posted over a year before i was asked to join the project? And now he wants to take command over what happens with my work? I dont think so.

How is any of this common knowledge? Its an obscure and equivocal piece of information that emerged from a Doom forum and was never previously an issue for ocremix. Prince is credited as composer for Doom 2, for which I'm sure he still receives royalties. His compositions were perfectly acceptable for a multi million dollar gaming franchise and arguably one of the most important titles in electronic entertainment history, but an homage is a wildly different story. Though I guess I probably should have known that too.

And why is my withdrawing my remixes such a big deal? You've got a community full of remixers who are already requesting to take on the tracks, what difference does it make? I'm sick of arguing about it. Find another remixer and move on.

[The Orichalcon]

Find another remixer and move on.

Well since you're the one leaving, you find another remixer to take your place if it's so easy. Your tracks stay on the project until I hear something equally good or better to replace them.

[djredlight]

..let's not assume bad faith

of course not..

..Your tracks stay on the project until I hear something equally good or better to replace them.

It just keeps getting better and better.

Delta Q Delta is your project TO, as you're so happy to point out. The onus is on you to find another remixer to help complete your project. I'm not surprised you find looking for a replacement difficult talking like that.

I wont be blackmailed into organising your project.

[anosou]

Just popped in to mention that I probably won't have time to make a remix or even a WIP. So don't drag me in to this O.o

[Grenseal]

Its a shame that this project is now being dragged down into personal squabbles. I can understand where redlight is coming from and I can also understand where TO is coming from in wanting the remixes back in the project. I'm sure they are excellent remixes as redlight's other remixes are great.

Personal feuds aside I think redlight should still release the tracks with the project. I could care less what the judges think about a particular remix and if they want to argue over petty trivialities, then let em. Their decisions in no way denigrate a particular remix as that remix is the creative vision of an artist, and might I say art is quite subjective. That said, I'm sure there would be many other people who would enjoy and appreciate the remixes regardless of the source. On behalf of those people and myself, I'm asking that redlight please reconsider putting his mixes back in the project otherwise all parties lose.

[Final_metroid]

Its a shame that this project is now being dragged down into personal squabbles. I can understand where redlight is coming from and I can also understand where TO is coming from in wanting the remixes back in the project. I'm sure they are excellent remixes as redlight's other remixes are great.

Personal feuds aside I think redlight should still release the tracks with the project. I could care less what the judges think about a particular remix and if they want to argue over petty trivialities, then let em. Their decisions in no way denigrate a particular remix as that remix is the creative vision of an artist, and might I say art is quite subjective. That said, I'm sure there would be many other people who would enjoy and appreciate the remixes regardless of the source. On behalf of those people and myself, I'm asking that redlight please reconsider putting his mixes back in the project otherwise all parties lose.

I agree, I think one track from DSOP was rejected to be posted on OCremix, but nonetheless I enjoyed the track in question. Besides, this is free music, although quality is a nice thing to have, I think the "Remix: THASAUCE" approach to this would be good considering the anticipation of this album ("THESAUCE" approach meaning choosing a remix based on how enjoyable it is to listen to rather than the type of content)

[The Orichalcon]

Since it's too difficult to find artists to fill the remaining tracks and actually complete them, I've decided that given how good the mixes are that we already have, the project's now considered completed and will be released in its current state.

So I've closed the project as finished. Once we've organised a website and mastered/organised the tracklist, we'll decide on a releasedate. All eligible tracks on the album will be submitted to OCR to either be direct-posted, or judged on the panel. There's no guarantee they'll all pass. I'll send emails to the mixers asking them to write up comments on their mixes as well as details for the site.

I'd like to give a big cheers to the mixers who have patiently waited so long for the release. We're almost there! I'll email everyone involved with a date once it's been organised.

Forgot to mention that artists who were working on tracks, you can still have yours added to the final tracklist, just hurry up and finish them, send them to me ASAP. Otherwise you'll be left out.

[John Revoredo]

Since it's too difficult to find artists to fill the remaining tracks and actually complete them, I've decided that given how good the mixes are that we already have, the project's now considered completed and will be released in its current state.

So I've closed the project as finished. Once we've organised a website and mastered/organised the tracklist, we'll decide on a releasedate. All eligible tracks on the album will be submitted to OCR to either be direct-posted, or judged on the panel. There's no guarantee they'll all pass. I'll send emails to the mixers asking them to write up comments on their mixes as well as details for the site.

I'd like to give a big cheers to the mixers who have patiently waited so long for the release. We're almost there! I'll email everyone involved with a date once it's been organised.

Forgot to mention that artists who were working on tracks, you can still have yours added to the final tracklist, just hurry up and finish them, send them to me ASAP. Otherwise you'll be left out.

TO.. Thanks a lot for giving me the oportuniy of participating on this awesome project!.. :-D

I just can't wait to download the entire album

[Bundeslang]

Great job. Didn't see this come. 2008 will be a very good year (I don't believe this will come out earlier).

[Mr. Bottle Rocket]

:/

seriously, :/

I don't really care when it'd come out as long as it wasn't an incomplete project, and it IS an incomplete project.

[Flik]

Wait, this is being considered complete? Craaaap. Big Giant Circles and I were collaborating on a track. How much time do I even have to finish the track now?

[analoq]

Sounds good to me. When I was helping organize the original Doom project I didn't see the need for having every track covered, so long as it was a solid album that channeled the inspiration of the game. That's what I feel this project will be.

cheers.

[Liontamer]

Wait, this is being considered complete? Craaaap. Big Giant Circles and I were collaborating on a track. How much time do I even have to finish the track now?

The website design can't create itself in a day. At the risk of stepping on TO's toes, I'd say go for it, and if it's finished soon enough and has the right atmosphere, TO would probably take it on board.

[The Orichalcon]

The website design can't create itself in a day. At the risk of stepping on TO's toes, I'd say go for it, and if it's finished soon enough and has the right atmosphere, TO would probably take it on board.

Correct. As I said in the last line of my post, people who were working on tracks can still have them added to the project so long as they get a move on and get it to me ASAP.

I won't be taking new artists on-board unless they submit me a solid final piece that I can just add to the project.

[Jack the Ripper]

Christ, this exploded everywhere. I'm sorry I haven't had the time to mess with my remix, life has been hectic and I usually need a lot of time to gather ideas for music. Got kicked out of a relative's place for no particular reason, picked up more work, and had to find a new house pronto. As a result, I haven't even been thinking about it. I'll probably still go out of my way to finish the remix, whether or not it gets added to the final remix album.

[OA]

TO has pretty much single-handedly turned my opinion of Doom music around from being a hater to a fan, so I am pretty excited to hear what you have all cooked up for this. :-)

[Flik]

Now if only TO would pop in and let us know what's going on!

I'm trying to get my collab track with BGC finished up, but he seems to be MIA right now as well. Hopefully this gets wrapped up soon so the whole thing can be released!

Also OA, you're an evil MN resident? Awesome times.

[OA]

I think they are just waiting for the right time to strike.

And i'm not an evil MN resident, i'm one of the good ones. The evil ones keep me locked up under the stairs though. ;_;

[Flik]

Well they can't plan a time to strike until some tracks get finished. I may do some more with my part tonight. BGC where art thou?!

Also, where in MN might you reside OA?

[Flik]

*trot**trot**trot**trot**trot*...meow....*headbutt * meeeeoooooow...*headbutt*

Update?

[The Orichalcon]

Throwing a small update out there:

A couple more tracks are added to the final tracklist. 8 tracks have been mastered and rendered, ready to release. Dave's working on the site design and we should have a release, I'm going to risk saying, within a month.

DJR's tracks won't be included in the project to keep the peace. Best of luck to him.

[FlamingTP]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the last 38 pages, probably so but Mazedude has a Barrels O' fun on here, if they made exception for him doing "them bones" then they should for you guys, either that or remove mazedude's track too.

[The Orichalcon]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the last 38 pages, probably so but Mazedude has a Barrels O' fun on here, if they made exception for him doing "them bones" then they should for you guys, either that or remove mazedude's track too.

Was decided a while back that any tracks on the site that already violated that particular rule, but didn't violate any others, would stay. Trust me, I tried using that argument in favour of the forbidden tracks in this project.

[Grenseal]

I hereby declare it an international crime against humanity that those remixes won't be included in the project. Time to take this to The Hague. :(

[Macavity]

I hereby declare it an international crime against humanity that those remixes won't be included in the project. Time to take this to The Hague. :(

I concur, and am willing to testify.

(Even though I don't know jack about the situation!)

[analoq]

we should have a release, I'm going to risk saying, within a month.

and one month later, surely we deserve a little update (:

[Flik]

Iiiii've got a biiig bag of crabs heeeere. Iiii'm going to put them in my moooooouth.

An update would be totally Commander Keen.

[The Orichalcon]

Dave's working on site design. He sent me a sample yesterday. Once that's done, we'll go live.

[Final_metroid]

This project is doomed

[The Orichalcon]

Yes, if doomed means finished and ready to launch... Waitin' on Dave

[Fishy]

Looking forward to it!

This project is doomed

This was a terrible joke, but I still laughed.

[EvilHorde]

This project is doomed

Touché my friend... touché.

[Flik]

Hey TO. Does my part of my collab track with BGC sound right? In the last render he had sent me a while back my section sounded somewhat bad due to processing (snare / cymbals / hi-hat sounded way off). I'm hoping that got fixed...

[WisdomCube]

Dave's working on site design. He sent me a sample yesterday. Once that's done, we'll go live.And so it has been 3 weeks since.
:puppyeyes: Pease, not to rush you guys but some of us have been waiting in agony for our greatest obsession's music to get even better with this awesome project.

[The Orichalcon]

Patience. You've waited this long, do you really want us to rush now and stumble over the finish line? I'm making sure this is all actually finished before releasing it. I'm sorry the fans and artists have to wait longer, but it'll be worth it.

Missed your post there, Flik. Your track is fine, I liked it a lot. If you have an issue with it, it's up to you whether you want to change anything in it. But let me know sooner rather than later.

[WisdomCube]

Sorry about that, it's just that I've been anticipating this project more than christmas. Take the time needed to make this project its best.

[Flik]

http://directorflik.googlepages.com/iwantdoom.mp3

[Jaybell]

http://directorflik.googlepages.com/iwantdoom.mp3

Greatest remix project ever

[analoq]

I'm changing my avatar to the cacodemon until this project is released.

Gentlemen, it's time to kick the hype up a notch.

[Flik]

Maybe I'll get lucky and this will be released on my birthday this Saturday.

[EvilHorde]

A while ago I realised that I don't have the slightest recollection of what my songs on this project sound like. It's been a really long time since I completed them. A year, easily.. Two years? Well, maybe not quite but close.

I promised myself the next time I'll hear those songs is when I download them from the projects site. Which, of course would be the case anyway because I think I don't have the projectfiles or finished mp3's anymore. So I'm really looking forward to hearing what I, and of course the other remixers have created for this. Hope I don't have to be ashamed of my work. I'm quite sure its not up to par with my (so called) skills today... Well, maybe I'll live.

And I don't mean to diss this project or TO in ANY WAY, I know these things take forever to finish, especially over the internet. This was just a thought that came in to my mind while reading (and listening, nice tune there..) the other posts. But yeah, waiting patiently and eagerly. SOON my friends... SOON.

[The Orichalcon]

Continued patience, my fellow mixers and fans! We are within striking distance of a release. I took this week off work to get it all together and ready.

For those wanting a sight of progress, here is the final tracklist, pending Dave's decision on a title for his mix:

01 - The Orichalcon - megAsfear
02 - Evil Horde - Running from Evil Horde
03 - analoq - Adrian's Sleep
04 - Mazedude - Westside Archvile
05 - Jovette Rivera - The Countdown
06 - The Orichalcon - Crushing Headache
07 - Mazedude - Silent Healer
08 - Big Giant Circles, Flik - Icon of Sinwave
09 - John Revoredo - 31 Seconds
10 - Mazedude, Ailsean - The End of Hell
11 - phoenixdk - No Smoking Area
12 - Evil Horde - The Duel
13 - djpretzel - Red Waltz
Bonus - phoenixdk - Ablaze

[EvilHorde]

Yippee!!!!

[Gollgagh]

I'm changing my avatar to the cacodemon until this project is released.

Gentlemen, it's time to kick the hype up a notch.

I'd gladly post some stuff in GenDisc but it'd get locked for being pointless :\

I'll pimp this shit on other sites once we launch though.

[Flik]

There is no spoon?

[Macavity]

There is no spoon?

<the_tick> SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON! </the_tick>

[John Revoredo]

Continued patience, my fellow mixers and fans! We are within striking distance of a release. I took this week off work to get it all together and ready.

For those wanting a sight of progress, here is the final tracklist, pending Dave's decision on a title for his mix:

01 - The Orichalcon - megAsfear
02 - Evil Horde - Running from Evil Horde
03 - analoq - Adrian's Sleep
04 - Mazedude - Westside Archvile
05 - Jovette Rivera - The Countdown
06 - The Orichalcon - Crushing Headache
07 - Mazedude - Silent Healer
08 - Big Giant Circles, Flik - Icon of Sinwave
09 - John Revoredo - 31 Seconds
10 - Mazedude, Ailsean - The End of Hell
11 - phoenixdk - No Smoking Area
12 - Evil Horde - The Duel
13 - djpretzel - Red Waltz
Bonus - phoenixdk - Ablaze

Track 9 kicks ass. LOL :<
Damn, I want to hear this so much !! !!

[WisdomCube]

I think that the next best remix project after Delta Q Delta in the line of Doom related remix projects is... ...a Chex Quest 1 and 2 remix project! Why? Not because I think the music is really good (which I kind of do), but because it has great remixing potential. Check it out and you'll likely see what I mean.

[OA]

like Chex Chex?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/2374307107_d77d9f588c_o.jpg


I'm not so sure how that'd go.

[WisdomCube]

Yeah, it was a total conversion of Doom that came in cereal boxes on a cd with its own engine and iwad. It was made in an attempt to make a child friendly version of doom but is ironically now popular only to adults who are Doom fans. It is now free on the internet and can run on many Doom source ports. Check it out if you can, but remember to have an open mind.

[EvilHorde]

I just had to check it out on Youtube. And hell yeah! The funk never stops. Would be an awesome idea to make a Chex remix project thats like a NICE version of the Doom remix projects. Thats exactly what Chex did with Doom - it made it nice so EVERYONE CAN PLAY! So yeah, would be great to have a super NICE remix project, kinda Doom remix project spinoff.. YEAH - never gonna happen. Still, great stuff..

[The Orichalcon]

YEAH - never gonna happen. Still, great stuff..

Not with that attitude. ;-)

[OA]

Consider me amazed. :O


Not as amazed as i'll be when this project comes out, but amazed enough.