FF6 Remix Project -- 2 Week Extension

[Prophecy]

FF6 Remix Project

It's been inevitable for years. But not for me. I didn't have an snes or playstation growing up on account of being poor. So I didn't even hear of the game until adulthood. Even then, I didn't really understand the fawning or nostalgia that seemed to accompany references to the game. Well, that changed last month when I played it for the first time on an emulator. There's a lot I like about the game: the story, character development, but most of all the music. The music is absolutely gorgeous.

How this project will work:
I'd like to do this a little differently than other projects. I've divided it into 8 phases. Phases 1-6 will last a month each. You can call a track any time in phase 1-6 if you are a posted remixer. If not, you will can still claim a track for 2 weeks. Three phases (months) after having called your track, you will be expected to be done or almost done with it. If not, you will be dropped from the track. This will help us get through the production process a bit faster. Since different tracks will have different timelines, I will keep dates next each track being worked on.

Phase 7 will be wrapup and will go from July 1st til October 1st. In this phase, I will begin remixing or finding remixers for tracks that aren't taken or have been dropped. Phase 8 will be mastering/sorting the tracks and preparing for release.

Timeline:
Phase 1 January 1st - February 1st
Phase 2 February 1st - March 1st
Phase 3 March 1st - April 1st
Phase 4 April 1st - May 1st
Phase 5 May 1st - June 1st
Phase 6 June 1st - July 1st
Phase 7 July 1st - October 1st
Phase 8 October 1st - January 1st, 2013

OCR-goers regularly complete tracks in a week for competitions, so I think these timelines should provide for plenty of time.

Don't pick a track someone else has taken until all other tracks are full. If we do get two remixes of the same track, the better remix will be on the main album, while the other will be part of the bonus material.

Quality and Community:
We have two main goals with this project: To create a quality remix album for the FF6 sound track and to involve/help develop the community. I'd like to see some new faces on this project along with the more established remixers.

I'd like to see collabs. If someone needs some help in an area you know a thing or two about, don't hesitate to pitch in.

Rexy is my assistant director who will also be providing critiques and help, especially with arrangement issues. Feel free to ask her for help.

Other Projects:
I know there's a million other projects out there. I personally think you can never have too much good music. This project will take a year, so if a remixer has 8 different tracks on 8 different projects, I'm sure they'll still be able to find the time to do a remix on this one without sacrificing effort on the other ones. If we have difficulty filling tracks, I'll remix whatever is left over in phase 7 and 8.

Other FF6 Remixes:
I'm aware that certain FF6 songs have been covered a lot already. I'll be remixing the two most remixed (on this site) tracks in order to avoid a stampede. Other rules still apply to these remixes. Despite the large number of FF6 remixes out there, there are still quite a few beautiful tracks that have never been remixed. Once the tracklist is full, all tracks will be open to work on. I realize some tracks are more popular than others, and so we may get a lot of bonus remixes of certain tracks. Nothing wrong with that at all, I just want to make sure the lesser remixed tracks are covered too.

Genres:
All genres are welcome with 1 exception: It must sound like it could be from this century. This means no pure chiptunes. You can still use chip sounds as elements, just not as the whole mix.

Forums are here: http://www.kngi.org/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=124

Tracklist:

Individual tracks:

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Another World of Beasts (Tuberz McGee) (Due 4-1-12)
Aria de Mezzo Carattere (Jason Covenant, Terra Matter, and GLL OR Orangedragan) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Awakening (Xarnax42) (Wip due 4-1-12) (COSI)
Battle Theme (BONKERS) (Wip due 4-1-12) (LFCP: Especially live trumpet and strings)
Blackjack
Catastrophe
Cyan's Theme
(Wip due 4-1-12)Celes[/color] (GLL) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Coin Song
Dancing Mad
Dark World (Darangen) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Devil's Lab (Chernabogue, HoboKa) (Due 4-1-12)
Edgar & Sabin's Theme (pu_freak) (Due 4-1-12)
Ending Theme
Epitaph (Orangedragan, Jason Covenant, AkumajoBelmont) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Fanatics
Fanfare
Forever Rachel (Jakesnke17) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Gau (Tuberz McGee) (Due 4-1-12)
Gogo
Grand Finale?
Johnny C Bad (Tuberz McGee, Mirby, Brandon Strader, Rexy, Wiesty) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Kefka (Jason Covenant) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Kids Run Through the City
Last Dungeon AKA Kefka's Tower (Rockos) (Due 4-1-12)
Locke
Metamorphosis (Anti-Syne) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Mog
Mt. Koltz
New Continent
Opening Theme (Metal Man, Blastphemy) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Overture
Phantom Train (GLL) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Relm (Rexy) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Rest in Peace (Jason Covenant) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Returners
Save Them!
Searching for Friends (Emperor Charlemagne) (Wip due 4-1-12)
Setzer
Shadow
Slam Shuffle
Spinach Rag
Strago (Tuberz McGee) (Due 4-1-12)
Techno de Chocobo
Terra (Jason Covenant) (Wip due 4-1-12)
The Day After
The Decisive Battle (Nekofrog) (Wip due 4-1-12)
The Empire "Gestahl" (Dj Mokram) (Due 4-1-12)
The Fierce Battle (Tuberz McGee) (Due 4-1-12)
The Magic House (GLL) (Wip due 4-1-12) (LFCP)
The Mines of Narshe
The Phantom Forest (PabloComa) (Due 4-1-12)
The Prelude (Dusk) (Wip due 4-1-12)
The Serpent Trench
The Unforgiven
The Wedding Waltz ~ Duel
The Veldt (OA, bLiNd) (Wip due 2-15-12)
Troops March On
Umaro
Under Martial Law

Medleys:

The Veldt + Shadow (Jakesnke17) (Wip due 2-1-12)

LFCP = Looking for Collab Partners
COSI = Conditional on Significant Improvement
Red = Claimed, wip not yet turned in
Purple = Wip turned in, not done.

[Mirby]

CURSE YOU FOR STEALING MY THUNDER!!

That said... cool.

[Prophecy]

CURSE YOU FOR STEALING MY THUNDER!!

That said... cool.

Well, January is start a new project month. I think your Cid Project is a great idea. Good luck with it.

[Nekofrog]

I claim battle theme.

[Rexy]

So I guess this means my PM inbox is going to need a thorough cleanup. xD Why is there a mere 200 message limit for them?

Nonetheless, I'm game to see how this goes down :)

[DusK]

"The Decisive Battle" is begging for a metal remix. May I supply said metal remix?

[Mirby]

Well, January is start a new project month. I think your Cid Project is a great idea. Good luck with it.

Thank you.

Wanna claim a track? :P

[Prophecy]

"The Decisive Battle" is begging for a metal remix. May I supply said metal remix?

Just make a 50% done (or more) wip to claim the track.

Thank you.

Wanna claim a track? :P

We'll see. Depends how busy this project makes me. =)

[Ghetto Lee Lewis]

The Magic House - I need some collab help, anyone who can rap or help with lyrics.

The Phantom Train

Celes' theme (the short version, not the opera one)

[Nekofrog]

When i said battle theme, I MEANT boss theme.

My brain farted. I'LL GET A WIP DONE FASTER THAN YOU

[Orangedragan]

I'd love to help by contributing vocals if anyone needs them.

[Prophecy]

When i said battle theme, I MEANT boss theme.

My brain farted. I'LL GET A WIP DONE FASTER THAN YOU

Np. I updated the tracklist.

[Brandon Strader]

For now I'd like to claim Dancing Mad and Coin Song

OA can claim The Veldt :-D

I'm not saying he IS or WILL claim, it, I am saying he can but he won't, not currently anyways

[Prophecy]

For now I'd like to claim Dancing Mad and Coin Song

OA can claim The Veldt :-D


Welcome aboard! Got you down for those two tracks. If you think OA should do it, I suggest you suggest it to him.

[Brandon Strader]

Not to be a whiny willy, but considering the length of Dancing Mad can I have like, more time than the usual person gets

Like maybe 4-1 instead of 2-1

[BONKERS]

If I can I would like to Claim "Battle Song"

I have 2 songs passed on the panel right now that are project mixes and 1 DP song that is waiting to be posted.


I'm really hesitant to step into this album because FFVI is a very popular and sensitive game and personally for a lot of reasons.
The Original sound , I LOVE IT. As I do for most of the FF games and I consider FFIV-XIII to sound perfect in their original forms.

Also, I really don't want to step on the toes of fans of the music by RADICALLY changing the genres of a lot of the music.(Because when you change something that much, you are changing and possibly destroying what the music is to them and how they remember it from the game , how they hear it and whatnot)
So for that reason I want to keep most of the original instrumentation of the original music and expand upon that.

That means, a fast paced(at first, can be changed) rock battle theme with a Trumpet lead. String accompaniment and acoustic drums.
That also means, I'd like to have Live performances for most if not all instruments-(I can of course do live guitar/bass).

I may also throw other instruments in there in other sections I don't know.

All I know so far is that Brandon Strader is pushing for me to take this while I can, and I can hear a faint image of what i'd like to do in my head.
I'll take it one step at a time.
Proof of Concept:
http://www.box.com/s/g4regidvkpt2ygl5zr4u (updated)
(http://www.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_1375695515#/files/0/f/0/1/f_1375695515)

[Prophecy]

Not to be a whiny willy, but considering the length of Dancing Mad can I have like, more time than the usual person gets

Like maybe 4-1 instead of 2-1

Nope, same deadline lengths for everyone. A 50% percent done wip can be just the arrangement, if finding recording times is an issue. A fully complete arrangement in the form of a midi is acceptable as a 50% done wip.

If I can I would like to Claim "Battle Song"

I have 2 songs passed on the panel right now that are project mixes and 1 DP song that is waiting to be posted.



Just make a 50% done wip and share it. I tried the link you gave, but it said the file wasn't there.

[BONKERS]

Try this direct link then. It should work.
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9yfmj4pf0c/ffvi_battle_theme_concept.mp3
Note though that it's extremely barebones. Made it in about an hour.

[Orangedragan]

Thumbs up! I'm digging the lead guitar feel; looking forward to seeing where it goes.

[BONKERS]

I'm hoping maybe I can find someone who can play live Trumpet and strings and stuff. I may end up going to Hat and asking him hah.
But,one step at a time.

[Anti-Syne]

I'm in for this if you'll have me, not been involved in a project yet.

Any chance I can get Metamorphosis?

[Prophecy]

Try this direct link then. It should work.
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9yfmj4pf0c/ffvi_battle_theme_concept.mp3
Note though that it's extremely barebones. Made it in about an hour.
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I like what you've got so far. Get some more sounds and expand it into a 50% wip and I'll put you down for the track. If you don't have them at your fingertips, placeholders will do. Just enough so we can get a more complete vision of your final wav. Curious, how long are you shooting for in terms of length?

I'm hoping maybe I can find someone who can play live Trumpet and strings and stuff.

That would be cool. There's a lot of capable musicians in this community. But, if you absolutely can't find someone for live strings, I think I'm half decent at sequencing them and could help if strings are something you're lacking.

Here's some examples of my sequenced strings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZRLZw0uZY (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/9yfmj4pf0c/ffvi_battle_theme_concept.mp3)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmCNHcG5ysQ

I'm in for this if you'll have me, not been involved in a project yet.

Any chance I can get Metamorphosis?

Sure. Just updated the tracklist.

[Omni-Psyence]

I'm in. Most definitely.


Just have to figure out what track I'd like to work on!

[Brandon Strader]

put bonkers down for it he's a posted mixer

don't make him jump through hoops goon you want him on the project

[Emperor Charlemagne]

Hmm, I'm going to have to see if I can't whip something up for this.
I'd love to be part of a FFVI album.

[Omni-Psyence]

I'd like to do "Cayenne", or Cyan, or whatever you want to call it! If you need to hear my work, check out my demo reels, http://omnipsyence.com/demo-reels/ plus I have a track about to be posted from Harmony of the Hunter (I need to fix some clipping in the track).

Let me know if this is cool! Thanks :)

[Prophecy]

put bonkers down for it he's a posted mixer

don't make him jump through hoops goon you want him on the project

According to Bonkers, he has mixes pending but none yet posted. If he got posted tomorrow, that would change.

In case there's any bit of confusion, let me better explain the rules and the reasoning behind them. Posted remixers can directly claim tracks because having a posted remix demonstrates the following:

1. That they can make a complete track that satisfies OCR standards.

2. Since posting takes a long time, it demonstrates that they have been musically involved in the community for a while and are not a Johnny-come-lately, Johnny-leave-early.

I'm not saying Bonkers or anyone else can't make quality music or will instantly abandon this project as soon as a track is claimed. Rules have to be applied consistently in order to be fair. Making exceptions is favoritism and definitely unfair. Besides, Bonkers said he'd only spent about an hour on the track. He should be able to get it to 50% in no time.

I'd like to do "Cayenne", or Cyan, or whatever you want to call it! If you need to hear my work, check out my demo reels, http://omnipsyence.com/demo-reels/ plus I have a track about to be posted from Harmony of the Hunter (I need to fix some clipping in the track).


We won't be using the audition system in this project. Why? Because sometimes past work can be misleading. A person can struggle musically for a long time, then suddenly have a tremendous breakthrough and make something amazing. What if that breakthrough happened to be a remix in this project? I'd hate to lose a great remix as a result of not giving someone a chance. In addition, someone may simply be not quite good enough, but with a 50% wip we can help them identify those problem areas and fix them. The idea is to be inclusive as possible while still maintaining high standards.

The reason for wanting a 50% done wip instead of say a 10% wip is twofold: First, it shows greater commitment, second, it gives us a more complete vision of the track and makes it easier to identify and resolve issues.

I hope this explains things. Let me know if you have questions. Looking forward to those wip's Bonkers, Emperor Charlemagne and Omni-Psyence!

[Chernabogue]

I'll make a WiP for "Devil's Lab" when I'll have more time and morestuff done. :) Good luck with the project!

[BONKERS]

According to Bonkers, he has mixes pending but none yet posted. If he got posted tomorrow, that would change.

In case there's any bit of confusion, let me better explain the rules and the reasoning behind them. Posted remixers can directly claim tracks because having a posted remix demonstrates the following:

1. That they can make a complete track that satisfies OCR standards.

2. Since posting takes a long time, it demonstrates that they have been musically involved in the community for a while and are not a Johnny-come-lately, Johnny-leave-early.

I'm not saying Bonkers or anyone else can't make quality music or will instantly abandon this project as soon as a track is claimed. Rules have to be applied consistently in order to be fair. Making exceptions is favoritism and definitely unfair. Besides, Bonkers said he'd only spent about an hour on the track. He should be able to get it to 50% in no time.



We won't be using the audition system in this project. Why? Because sometimes past work can be misleading. A person can struggle musically for a long time, then suddenly have a tremendous breakthrough and make something amazing. What if that breakthrough happened to be a remix in this project? I'd hate to lose a great remix as a result of not giving someone a chance. In addition, someone may simply be not quite good enough, but with a 50% wip we can help them identify those problem areas and fix them. The idea is to be inclusive as possible while still maintaining high standards.

The reason for wanting a 50% done wip instead of say a 10% wip is twofold: First, it shows greater commitment, second, it gives us a more complete vision of the track and makes it easier to identify and resolve issues.

I hope this explains things. Let me know if you have questions. Looking forward to those wip's Bonkers, Emperor Charlemagne and Omni-Psyence!
I guess it means nothing that I have 3 songs that have been approved by the judges but 2 can't be posted and who knows when the DP-flagged one will get posted.
How can I be held liable for something that isn't under my control?

Anywho it doesn't matter, I'd rather not sequence Strings(though I am VERY proficient at sequencing. See: http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/5y56zn1889/09_the_gate_of_nightmares_medley_bonkers_ft_viking guitar.mp3) I'd just like a more unique approach to the tone. Because using sample libraries means that part of the character of those instruments recorded for it will always be the same. Having a live performer with their own instrument can help alleviate have more distinct character.

Or maybe i'm just insane ?
*shrug*
:lmassoff:

One step at a time.

[Rexy]

I'm not sure if this contributes or not, but on The Sound of Speed, the roster consisted entirely of posted remixers, though a handful were still yet to be posted at the time of them signing on, and I think Brandon was one of them. Even k-wix took on an unknown for Back in Blue (Sir Jordanius) and his track was used in the mix flood on release.
BONKERS, I would personally recommend you share your direct post track to us (assuming it's non-project) to give Jason a clearer understanding on your capabilities. Even if that falls through, be sure to keep working on your track and we'll be happy to look at it when you're ready.

[Prophecy]

I guess it means nothing that I have 3 songs that have been approved by the judges but 2 can't be posted and who knows when the DP-flagged one will get posted.
How can I be held liable for something that isn't under my control?

You aren't being held "liable" for anything. Surely you must agree that we need to have some sort of rules as to who can claim a track and who needs to demonstrate their ability and commitment first. And whenever you have any sort of standards there will be people close to the line either way. If you try to move the line up or down in specific situations, that is unfair to everyone else.

I think this is all pretty moot anyways. You said you wanted to do the track which means you'll ultimately end up doing 100% of it. So the work put into the wip to claim it is work you'd already be doing.

Anywho it doesn't matter, I'd rather not sequence Strings(though I am VERY proficient at sequencing. See: http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/5y56zn1889/09_the_gate_of_nightmares_medley_bonkers_ft_viking guitar.mp3) I'd just like a more unique approach to the tone. Because using sample libraries means that part of the character of those instruments recorded for it will always be the same. Having a live performer with their own instrument can help alleviate have more distinct character.

Or maybe i'm just insane ?


Na, I understand completely. I wish I weren't reliant on public sample libraries for precisely that reason. I generally reprocess my samples to make them sound a bit more unique. Still, live performers would be preferable. I was just trying to offer help if you needed it.


BONKERS, I would personally recommend you share your direct post track to us (assuming it's non-project) to give Jason a clearer understanding on your capabilities. Even if that falls through, be sure to keep working on your track and we'll be happy to look at it when you're ready.

His abilities aren't being questioned. I'm sure he can make a great battle theme remix. The reason for letting posted remixers make direct claims is that being posted and still being around shows some commitment to the community. None of this is in any way a judgement on Bonkers. If we don't apply the rules equally to everyone, then we are applying them unfairly.

[Omni-Psyence]

I'll work on my WIP, no problem. I was just assuming we had to claim a track since that's more or less what the first post implies with the red text = "claimed, WIP not turned in yet". *shrug*

[Bahamut]

You aren't being held "liable" for anything. Surely you must agree that we need to have some sort of rules as to who can claim a track and who needs to demonstrate their ability and commitment first. And whenever you have any sort of standards there will be people close to the line either way. If you try to move the line up or down in specific situations, that is unfair to everyone else.

I think this is all pretty moot anyways. You said you wanted to do the track which means you'll ultimately end up doing 100% of it. So the work put into the wip to claim it is work you'd already be doing.



Na, I understand completely. I wish I weren't reliant on public sample libraries for precisely that reason. I generally reprocess my samples to make them sound a bit more unique. Still, live performers would be preferable. I was just trying to offer help if you needed it.



His abilities aren't being questioned. I'm sure he can make a great battle theme remix. The reason for letting posted remixers make direct claims is that being posted and still being around shows some commitment to the community. None of this is in any way a judgement on Bonkers. If we don't apply the rules equally to everyone, then we are applying them unfairly.

To be fair BONKERS has been around for a year or two - he did two tracks for the Maverick Rising project, one of which he did a pretty stellar job with.

[Brandon Strader]

Forcing a Shizzie to be a regular at OCR for the project is like holding down a dog and forcing hot water onto it :lol:

Get clean, damn you.

[pu_freak]

Probably shouldn't be doing this... but sign me up for the Edgar/Sabin theme!

[Darangen]

I wouldn't mind throwing my name in for Dark World.

[Prophecy]

I'll work on my WIP, no problem. I was just assuming we had to claim a track since that's more or less what the first post implies with the red text = "claimed, WIP not turned in yet". *shrug*

Well, in the first post it says this:


You can call a track any time in phase 1-6 if you are a posted remixer. If not, you will need to send in a 50% done wip.

Of course, it's a long post and only a brief mention of the rule, so I can see how it would be easy to miss. Looking forward to your wip.

Forcing a Shizzie to be a regular at OCR for the project is like holding down a dog and forcing hot water onto it :lol:

Get clean, damn you.

Lol. I know nothing about "Shizzie" but I'll take your word on it.

I wouldn't mind throwing my name in for Dark World.

Probably shouldn't be doing this... but sign me up for the Edgar/Sabin theme!

Done and done.

[Rexy]

I know nothing about "Shizzie"

That's a regular of The Shizz (http://www.theshizz.org), where the Dwelling of Duels is held. Fun compo if you can play live instruments :)

[BONKERS]

I'm not sure if this contributes or not, but on The Sound of Speed, the roster consisted entirely of posted remixers, though a handful were still yet to be posted at the time of them signing on, and I think Brandon was one of them. Even k-wix took on an unknown for Back in Blue (Sir Jordanius) and his track was used in the mix flood on release.
BONKERS, I would personally recommend you share your direct post track to us (assuming it's non-project) to give Jason a clearer understanding on your capabilities. Even if that falls through, be sure to keep working on your track and we'll be happy to look at it when you're ready.
Yeah I can do that,
my DP track is this

I created this song for Vampire Variations. And then after it was released like many of us,subbed it to OCR so we could get more people to listen to the music from the album and hopefully give them interest in other songs from it.
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/r3zv091523/15_children_of_the_wicked_wicked_child_bonkers.mp3 (I apologize for the bass, it's a bit heavy in the big parts)
A few days or a week or two (somethin like that) I got an email from OA saying the song had been flagged for Direct Post


And just for the record, hope there was no misunderstandings guys(on my end either if I came off sounding douchey or offensive in any way), I totally get where you are coming from. And I can understand how you want to do things(same for how I would want to do things if I were to do something like this).
It's all good. No disrespect!

[Dj Mokram]

1. That they can make a complete track that satisfies OCR standards.
2. Since posting takes a long time, it demonstrates that they have been musically involved in the community for a while and are not a Johnny-come-lately, Johnny-leave-early.
Ok, so if I understand this correctly:
-if someone has been involved in the community for years through projects, competitions and discussions but isn't posted --> he/she's a worthless bloke.
-if someone has one mix posted but never made any effort whatsoever to get involved into the community --> he/she rightfully deserves to be on the list.
I'm not questioning your quest for high quality standards, but this makes the project look more like a celebrity rally than a community effort atm.

We won't be using the audition system in this project. Why? Because sometimes past work can be misleading.You do realize that, denying someone's previous work clearly shows them you don't care about anything they did prior to YOUR project.
i.e. showing that you don't really care about people, just about the prestige artist A or B will bring to your name as the album's director.
That's quite condescending for someone who just admitted not knowing about the Shizz and only discovered FFVI, I quote:
last month when I played it for the first time on an emulator


However, if you'd still:like to see some new faces on this project along with the more established remixers
there's a 50%+ arrangement for 'Empire Gesthal' that's been sitting in your PM box for a couple days now.

Cheers and best of luck to you and Rexy with this long overdue tribute to the pinacle of 16bit Final Fantasy. ;-)

[pu_freak]

You should PM Kyle (KyleJCrb) for project forums over at kngi.org. That way we could show each other our wips and giving feedback without letting everyone else hear (almost) finished songs

[Anti-Syne]

Am I correct in thinking my Metamorphosis WIP is also due for Feb 1st?

[Prophecy]

Ok, so if I understand this correctly:
-if someone has been involved in the community for years through projects, competitions and discussions but isn't posted --> he/she's a worthless bloke.

No, not at all. I didn't make up this "posted remixers can make direct claims" rule. It's been used on a number of other projects. It's not meant to be a judgement on any individual person. Some jobs require a college degree. Doesn't mean everyone without a college degree is worthless, only that people with one have demonstrated something.


-if someone has one mix posted but never made any effort whatsoever to get involved into the community --> he/she rightfully deserves to be on the list.
I'm not questioning your quest for high quality standards, but this makes the project look more like a celebrity rally than a community effort atm.

Quite the opposite. The project is open to everyone. I feel that auditions are needlessly restrictive, so hence the 50% wip method instead.


You do realize that, denying someone's previous work clearly shows them you don't care about anything they did prior to YOUR project.
i.e. showing that you don't really care about people, just about the prestige artist A or B will bring to your name as the album's director.

The opposite is true. If John Williams wanted to be on this project, he'd need to submit a 50% done wip. The rules will be applied equally and consistently.


That's quite condescending for someone who just admitted not knowing about the Shizz and only discovered FFVI,

You'll have to excuse me on these points. I realize I'm late to the party on FF6, but I grew up poor and didn't have an snes or playstation. I'm unable to play an instrument, so I haven't been following dwelling of duels either.


However, if you'd still:
there's a 50%+ arrangement for 'Empire Gesthal' that's been sitting in your PM box for a couple days now.

When this project started, I realized my pm inbox was full. Turns out 200 is the limit (thanks Rexy for the heads up). I quickly deleted about 50, and have been working on whittling it down ever since. I'm sorry, but I may have accidentally deleted your PM, please resend.

If anyone here contacts me via pm or tries to claim a track in the thread and doesn't get a response or see a tracklist edit within 48 hours, please contact me again. It is not my intention to ignore anyone.

You should PM Kyle (KyleJCrb) for project forums over at kngi.org. That way we could show each other our wips and giving feedback without letting everyone else hear (almost) finished songs

Private forums are a great idea. I could set some up at one of my own sites or use the ones at kngi. I'll definitely look into this.

Am I correct in thinking my Metamorphosis WIP is also due for Feb 1st?

Yes. There are compos here where people regularly complete tracks in a week, not to mention OHC, where people create tracks that are sometimes more than 50% done in just an hour. If time is still an issue, I'd suggest just doing the easiest parts first. You can send in a complete midi arrangement or something about a minute long or longer with close to full instrumentation. The mixing doesn't need to be perfect. You can also send a collection of concept loops, provided that taken together it's possible to get a more complete picture of the track.


And just for the record, hope there was no misunderstandings guys(on my end either if I came off sounding douchey or offensive in any way), I totally get where you are coming from. And I can understand how you want to do things(same for how I would want to do things if I were to do something like this).
It's all good. No disrespect!

No worries. If anyone has an issue, I'd prefer that it be brought forth and discussed. In sharing your concerns, you did the right thing. I'm looking forward to your track, and I hope you plan to claim more after your first!

[Emperor Charlemagne]

I hope to submit a working "Searching for Friends" WIP sometime this weekend if not early in the week.

EDIT: considering I'm 23 seconds in, and just had a greeaat idea... hoo boy maybe I can actually finish something this time >.>

Second EDIT: Not to get ahead of myself, but since I have this assumption that no one will really want to take Fanatic I might try that one later down the line since I have a killer industrial drum sample set that'd be perfect for it.

[HoboKa]

I have a track that's been passed on the panel and is waiting to be posted, so idk if that counts as being posted or not =p

Anyways, I'd like to claim The Devil's Lab plz :)!!

[Rexy]

I have a track that's been passed on the panel and is waiting to be posted, so idk if that counts as being posted or not =p

Well, given the general rules you're pending but not posted. But since there's no general interest for Devil's Lab yet, I see nothing wrong with you giving it a go; work on a WIP, send it to Jason's mailbox and you might be taken on.

Which track was it btw? Embarassingly, I've been collecting a list of all pending mixes (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AqTjoYkCD4mUdHpJVmQzWjhNcUJzX09PbDV1Qi1QNUE&output=html) but I couldn't recall bumping into any with your name on it. Way to go though :)

[Chernabogue]

If 2 people ask for the same track and send a 50% WiP, who gets the track?

As I already said I'll work on a "Devil's Lab" WiP, I'd like to know what would happen now that HoboKa expressed interest in this track too.

[Prophecy]

If 2 people ask for the same track and send a 50% WiP, who gets the track?

As I already said I'll work on a "Devil's Lab" WiP, I'd like to know what would happen now that HoboKa expressed interest in this track too.

Whoever sends in a 50% done wip first, provided it's up to standards.

If you don't get the track you want because someone else got it first, don't worry. Once everything has been covered, anyone can work on any track they want. We'll have bonus material for extra tracks. We just want to focus on covering everything first.

[Mirby]

Well, given the general rules you're pending but not posted. But since there's no general interest for Devil's Lab yet, I see nothing wrong with you giving it a go; work on a WIP, send it to Jason's mailbox and you might be taken on.

Which track was it btw? Embarassingly, I've been collecting a list of all pending mixes (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AqTjoYkCD4mUdHpJVmQzWjhNcUJzX09PbDV1Qi1QNUE&output=html) but I couldn't recall bumping into any with your name on it. Way to go though :)

The only interest shown in Devil's Lab recently that I'm aware of is in my Cid project. :P

Hey, at least we'll be getting a couple more mixes of that stellar track! :3

[Prophecy]

The only interest shown in Devil's Lab recently that I'm aware of is in my Cid project. :P

Hey, at least we'll be getting a couple more mixes of that stellar track! :3

The more the merrier!

[Chernabogue]

The only interest shown in Devil's Lab recently that I'm aware of is in my Cid project. :P

I'll make a WiP for "Devil's Lab" when I'll have more time and morestuff done. :smile: Good luck with the project!

I shouldn't have posted it during the Bonkers drama. x)

Thanks for the information, Jason!

[Mirby]

I shouldn't have posted it during the Bonkers drama. x)

Thanks for the information, Jason!

I should've said "only other interest" cuz I totally did see your post. XD

[PabloComa]

Hello Prophecy, hello everyone,

I think I misunderstood the 50% WIP done rule, I suppose this WIP has to be for THIS project, wich mean, we have tu urge do something in a hurry before someone else pick the track? And that any posted remixer can just come in and claim the track we've been working on for hours? Moreover, we can just make an easy one-hour-made 50% remix of a track, then begin the real work from zero, in a totally different style when we are considered having claimed it?

Dura lex, sed lex. Nevertheless, allow me to express my humble disagreement to such a rule, wich emphasises speed and not quality.

At first I was thinking any 50% WIP piece will be ok ^^'
Well, forget about it, I'm putting myself to work.

FYI, I'll try to make something for the phantom forest and opening theme.

[Prophecy]

And that any posted remixer can just come in and claim the track we've been working on for hours?

There's a lot of open track and in the space of a few hours I think the chance of that is slim. If that should happen, don't worry, your remix can still be on the project. Once the entire tracklist is filled, you can remix anything. So if someone gets to a track before you do, you can still remix it later. We'll have bonus disc(s) for the extra tracks. Right now we're focusing on making sure everything is filled. Once that is done, the sky is the limit.

FYI, I'll try to make something for the phantom forest and opening theme.

Sounds good.

[PabloComa]

. If that should happen, don't worry, your remix can still be on the project. Once the entire tracklist is filled, you can remix anything. So if someone gets to a track before you do, you can still remix it later. We'll have bonus disc(s) for the extra tracks.

Thank you for clarifying this.

[Darangen]

And that any posted remixer can just come in and claim the track we've been working on for hours?

Most people are considerate enough that if they know someone is already working on the track they would choose something else. Communication is the key, keep Prophecy updated and he might be able to steer people away from it if he knows you're actually working on it.

I do think it'd help to mark the tracks in the main post that have been tentatively claimed by unposted remixers so people who don't read the entire thread would be aware that someone is attempting to claim the track. Again, communication is key, and letting people know what tracks are already being worked on might guide them to an uncovered track which would help fill out the list.

Of course if a posted remixer wants to take a track that's already being worked on by an unposted remixer, that could still happen with the rules of the project. I just like to believe in the goodness of people and think they would choose a different track if they were aware of the situation.

[Rockos]

You know, it's hard to get posted due to standard. I'd like to participate but I fear my track won't pass the panel. I'm still not posted in a year or so. I continue my hard work till this happen. But if any posted mixer wanna collab, I'm open. I'd like to mix the battle theme in Drum & bass style. And forward with the fanfare In any kind.

[SuperiorX]

Oh damn... I was just coming in here to express my interest in possibly working on a track or two. I had a jazz/big band idea for "Wild West", possibly with some live brass and sax, and a piano-centric arrangement idea for "Shadow's Theme", but I see that Jake grabbed them both! Oh well, he'll do a good job! Perhaps I'll still work on them anyway at my leisure, since it sounds like Jason is saying we will have bonus tracks.

Good luck with the project! A remix project for this game seems way overdue!

[Rexy]

You know, it's hard to get posted due to standard. I'd like to participate but I fear my track won't pass the panel. I'm still not posted in a year or so. I continue my hard work till this happen. But if any posted mixer wanna collab, I'm open. I'd like to mix the battle theme in Drum & bass style. And forward with the fanfare In any kind.

Let me try and be somewhat inspirational with this.

Six years ago, even though I got posted twice, I decided to stop submitting to the panel because I felt that just sending tracks to the site to see them get rejected wasn't doing my well-being any good. I still kept myself semi-active, contributing tracks for site projects and writing music more at leisure. I considered myself one of those "fluke remixers" thinking that I couldn't get past the panel with anything without someone else's help, but I pressed on, still taking feedback as I saw fit while feeling more relaxed due to less judge-related streses.

And yet, in spite of this, WillRock - one of OCR's greats - saw me as an inspiration in regards to arrangement primarily due to what I have contributed in these site projects. He used three of my four Tales tracks to promote Summoning of Spirits in a video upon release (and back then he wasn't even posted), and then nearly 3 years later he went and had over 20 of his own mixes posted! True, it wasn't until 2010 that I plucked up the courage to try the panel again, and even now I consider my production skills to be rather meek, but even at that I have been keeping a positive outlook over what I have been doing. And you should probably do the same too with your own musical growth.

Being able to pass the panel may be a requestite to instantly claim a track here, but it's not a definite component if you're in there to make music. I definitely won't make a claim on another song if someone made one already, and I really trust that other remixers will still follow that etiquette; but if you can prove yourself by making a good sketch that catches Jason's attention, then that's gift enough rather than worrying about the panel :)

[Dj Mokram]

It's not meant to be a judgement on any individual person. Some jobs require a college degree. Doesn't mean everyone without a college degree is worthless, only that people with one have demonstrated something.Sure, there have been numerous people without degree who managed to run companies and lead successful lives.
However, you're saying that despite being active within the community, not having an OCR degree (artist profile) means you're worthless for the job.
Turning an open colaborative effort into a headhunt with priority to diplomed candidates is exactly what "passing judgement on any individual person" means.
Now don't worry, I'm not gonna argue or derail this any further, for this is your project and I respect that. Let's just move on to recruitment matters. :)

I'm sorry, but I may have accidentally deleted your PM, please resend.
Oh, you mean right after having listened to the wip:

http://kngi.org/djmokram/misc/bxprj2.png

How convenient. :roll:

It is not my intention to ignore anyone.
Then maybe start by not ignoring the people who are trying to actively contribute to your project. ;-)


PS: I'd like to bring one last thing (http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=822789&postcount=23) to your attention (http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=822793&postcount=24).

[Mirby]

See? This is why I'm not having any sort of "must-be-posted" mentality on my Cid project; avoids unnecessary drama that takes up time that could be better spent mixing.

Also, to claim that doing so makes the rules be fair for everyone doesn't really mean much if the rules themselves are unfair.

[Prophecy]

Oh, you mean right after having listened to the wip:


Like I said, I may have accidentally deleted it, please resend. A lot of people send me music, and it may not have clicked what the purpose was for or I may have loaded it and forgot to listen. Regardless, I'm suggesting you resend it, or better yet, post it to this thread. I did say in the original post that my preference was the wip's be made public:

please post wip's to the thread.

The main reason is group involvement, collabs, critiques, etc. But another very good reason is because OCR's pm system has never really agreed with me much, particularly because OCR tends to false flag some of my pm's as read or unread when the opposite is true, and I have a terrible short term memory. A recipe for disaster. Posting to the thread is much safer and eliminates the possibility of something being lost or unintentionally ignored.


However, you're saying that despite being active within the community, not having an OCR degree (artist profile) means you're worthless for the job.
Turning an open colaborative effort into a headhunt with priority to diplomed candidates is exactly what "passing judgement on any individual person" means.


If I felt that anyone with no posted remixes was worthless, why allow them to join at all? Standards, by definition, are not "passing judgement" on individuals but quite the opposite. It's setting certain requirements that are applied consistently, not on an individual basis.


Also, to claim that doing so makes the rules be fair for everyone doesn't really mean much if the rules themselves are unfair.

If a person wants to do a track, they're going to be doing a 50% done wip anyways. They don't have a posted track record on OCR, so it's helpful to see what they'd do with the track before we let them claim it. Let me ask you something Mirby, would you accept a track that was completely awful? Why not? Isn't that unfair to exclude someone because they can't mix? There have to be some sort of standards. There's nothing unusual about this at all. A lot of projects allow posted remixers to make direct claims while others must do something else, such as audition. By requiring a wip instead of an audition, we are being more inclusive.

[Kuolema]

To be honest, I can really appreciate what people are saying here.
The system seems really weak. What if a mixer hasn't contributed anything since 2003? Does that still give them credibility even though the site standards have changed considerably since then?
Conversely, As Bonkers stated, there are some people who already have songs passed by the judges that just haven't been posted yet.

Why not do something in between? Give posted mixers a direct claim and give everyone else a short period of time to get you their 50% WIP (A week or so)? Seems to me like that would fix most of the problems.

[Prophecy]

To be honest, I can really appreciate what people are saying here.
The system seems really weak. What if a mixer hasn't contributed anything since 2003? Does that still give them credibility even though the site standards have changed considerably since then?

If their WIP is terrible, it can still be rejected.

Why not do something in between? Give posted mixers a direct claim and give everyone else a short period of time to get you their 50% WIP (A week or so)? Seems to me like that would fix most of the problems.

That sounds like a viable idea to me. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

The problem with allowing too many claims is you end up with situations where some people will sit on a track and not work on it while another person may be waiting, really wanted to work on it and be denied. That's also why claims with no wip are limited to just a month. A week is a short enough period of time that that shouldn't be an issue.

[Mirby]

If a person wants to do a track, they're going to be doing a 50% done wip anyways. They don't have a posted track record on OCR, so it's helpful to see what they'd do with the track before we let them claim it. Let me ask you something Mirby, would you accept a track that was completely awful? Why not? Isn't that unfair to exclude someone because they can't mix? There have to be some sort of standards. There's nothing unusual about this at all. A lot of projects allow posted remixers to make direct claims while others must do something else, such as audition. By requiring a wip instead of an audition, we are being more inclusive.

I'm aware of all of this. I was just pointing out that it may seem to some folks that the rules are unfair at their core, and your defense of them (and applying them equally) may not work with how they see the rules.

Just a point. And hey, I see you've got a lot of good claims already.

I just like to avoid ALL drama if I can, hence why I mentioned that. This could all have been avoided if you had made it evident that claims would be based on WIP, instead of posted status as you had inadvertently made it sound.

As for the Cid project, I'll let anyone on, as long as they can provide a quality sample of their work. If I've heard their stuff before, I don't require that as I already know what they are capable of. But as for others who I'm unfamiliar with, I'm going to ask for that. It's not singling them out, it's just I need to know where I can hear their stuff. Which is a step skipped with those I know.

[Dj Mokram]

I may have accidentally deleted it, [...] I may have loaded it and forgot to listen. [...] I have a terrible short term memory. A recipe for disaster. Sorry to say, but this does not exactly exult the kind of confidence and self-control people come to expect from a director.
If nothing, it shows some notable management issues and a poor level of care about the project/persons.

My track was accessed yet again yesterday around 5pm, and you're the only one who has the link. Coincidence?
Look, the sooner you stop treating people like imbeciles, the sooner you can start building some trust with them.
If the wip of the arrangement isn't to your liking, simply say so. No hard feelings, we'll just move on.
But please don't hide behind made-up stuff to try and protect your stature:
OCR tends to false flag some of my pm's as read or unread when the opposite is true
A bulletin board isn't a sentient being. Integrity, however, is its own reward.

[Tuberz McGee]

I've gotta say something man.
I was looking at taking a track. FF6 is one of my favourite games. EVER.
But looking at the communication and synergy you have going... not likely.
You're just going to drive people away if you're gonna be so uptight about everything.

If I've learned anything through Music, it's that deadlines and good organisation comes after having fun and enjoying music.
Plus, you can't co-ordinate the project from these forums, so posting WIPs here is a bad idea.
Darkesword will totes destroy us all.

Much love.
- Callum
kis kis

[Prophecy]

I'm aware of all of this. I was just pointing out that it may seem to some folks that the rules are unfair at their core, and your defense of them (and applying them equally) may not work with how they see the rules.

This could all have been avoided if you had made it evident that claims would be based on WIP, instead of posted status as you had inadvertently made it sound.

I did, in the very first post. Even put it near the top to ensure it would be read.


You can call a track any time in phase 1-6 if you are a posted remixer. If not, you will need to send in a 50% done wip.

And I've already requoted it in this thread before this most recent requote.

I just like to avoid ALL drama if I can, hence why I mentioned that.

Well, drama is often unavoidable. I frankly can't name any projects that were drama free. Sometimes feelings can be hurt unintentionally and misunderstandings can arise. This is FF6, expectations are going to be high and sensitivities will be on display. Indeed, this is less drama than I expected, though there's still time for more. ;)

Sorry to say, but this does not exactly exult the kind of confidence.... people come to expect from a director.

You are right, my unreliable tendencies are not good qualities. If this is an issue for you, then I feel I owe you an explanation. This is a problem I have dealt with my entire life. When I was an infant, I was on the receiving end of some abuse, and consequently have brain damage. Because of this, my neuro-maps dissolve more quickly than is normal. It's not unusual for someone to tell me their name and for me to have already forgotten it before they finish their sentence.

Like many people with disorders, I have developed compensatory behaviors to live as normally as possible. I frequently reread things. I missed a claim earlier in this thread in fact, but through rereading I noticed my mistake and corrected it. I virtually never delete emails or any other forms of contacts. Unfortunately, this is not possible on ocr as there is a pm limit. So, I try to respond immediately to pm's. If I cannot respond immediately, perhaps I need to think about my response, then I will forget until the next time I check my pm inbox. If the pm is accidentally deleted in the process, then I might as well have never received it, as far as my brain is concered.

I don't think any of this will be an issue, if people are willing to contact me and ask me for updates if a day or two has passed. Or if they follow my suggestion in the first post and put their claim in the thread. Also, I have Rexy who is easily one of the most reliable people I know. You can always send things to her as well.

My track was accessed yet again yesterday around 5pm, and you're the only one who has the link. Coincidence?

Actually, if it's in the sitemap for the host it could've been a crawler from a search engine. Or, you could have listened to it again. If I listened to it and hated it like you claimed, one really has to wonder why I'd keep listening to it.

If the wip of the arrangement isn't to your liking, simply say so.

Post it here, and I will give a thorough review. You can resolve this issue at any time you like by just posting to the thread. I have suggested you do this multiple times. I hope you will eventually take me up on this.

A bulletin board isn't a sentient being.

Of course not. But websites can have issues. There's an entire section of the forums dedicated to that purpose.

[Metal Man]

I want to do "Overture".

[Prophecy]

I've decided to go with Kuolema's suggestion.

Anyone that has expressed interest in a track up to this point will have a 2 week claim to complete a 50% wip, starting today. In the case of Devil's lab, it will go to Chernabogue who expressed interest in it first if he wants it. If he doesn't complete a wip in that time, it will go to the next person.

I think this resolves all issues and raises no new concerns. Let me know if you have concerns about this policy or suggestions.

In addition, I am seeking forums for sharing more substantive wip's and complete tracks.

[Mirby]

Sounds good to me.

Now post your mix, Dj Mokram. Cuz I totally want to hear it. :P

[Rexy]

I've gotta say something man.
I was looking at taking a track. FF6 is one of my favourite games. EVER.
But looking at the communication and synergy you have going... not likely.
You're just going to drive people away if you're gonna be so uptight about everything.

If I've learned anything through Music, it's that deadlines and good organisation comes after having fun and enjoying music.
Plus, you can't co-ordinate the project from these forums, so posting WIPs here is a bad idea.
Darkesword will totes destroy us all.

Much love.
- Callum
kis kis

Tuberz, just because Jason had a strict rule in place doesn't mean that the project won't be about having fun with the source material.
In regards to the compositions, if anyone shares me any wips then most often that I will be very open to what you guys do with the arrangement direction and what kind of ideas you will bring towards the table. It doesn't matter whether you've had no mixes posted, 1 mix posted, a handful pending or even a triple CD Greatest Hits album worth of mixes on the site; I will still treat every person equally when it comes to giving feedback.

I'm a little more intimate with the game too - emulated the SNES version not long after I moved house 10 years ago (during the World Cup at that :razz: ) and enjoyed it that much I went and got the PS1 version with my own money. So I know the progression enough to get people steered in the right direction while still making sure they add their ways on what the sources mean to them. I encourage people to really present their feelings :)

[BONKERS]

OH whoever said something about getting into contact with Kyle from KNGI , I second that.
It makes it so we can have private discussion on WIPS and in general just about anything in the project that needs to be private.

We used it for Vampire Variations and It was used for Maverick Rising too.



Also: If I get a quick turn around on Battle Theme, I'll look at other songs after I finish my work for FFII which is more of a priority right now. And try to find ways to extend the original arrangements or meet a middle ground so I don't fuck up people's memory of the original songs.

[PabloComa]

I've decided to go with Kuolema's suggestion.

Anyone that has expressed interest in a track up to this point will have a 2 week claim to complete a 50% wip, starting today. In the case of Devil's lab, it will go to Chernabogue who expressed interest in it first if he wants it. If he doesn't complete a wip in that time, it will go to the next person.


That's really cool. Thanks for adjusting this rule.

[Prophecy]

Tracklist has been updated with the new rule in place. I haven't really had any ideas for Kefka's theme until just a little bit ago. This is rather rough and much less than a 50% wip, but I thought I'd share it with you guys to get your thoughts:

Kefka Remix Wip-1 (http://jasoncovenant.com/wp-content/uploads/RemixFF6KFA101.mp3)

I'm especially wishy-washy on the intro. I can't decide if I should use orchestral or ambient....or something else. Maybe you'll have a better idea than any of the one's I'm entertaining.

[BONKERS]

I'm definitely for Orchestral.
Kefka's Theme is really geared towards fat and chunky sounding brass and cellos +timpani.
At least in my head it is har har har.

Also:
Prophecy I had a pretty good idea.

What if we mixed Live recorded strings with your sequenced ones and could create a neat little unique sounding ensemble?

I'm trying to think of lines in my head at the moment. But production wise, i could probably write sheets using overture and send them to whomever will play the live strings and to you as well.

Just an idea, but would maybe have some interesting results!

I'm gonna spend a little time seeing what Ideas for song structure I can hear in my so I can write it in my song planner as well.

[Metal Man]

I made a mistake. I said I wanted Overture while I meant the Opening theme (Catastrophe+Terra)
:(

[Chris | Amaterasu]

HMm, I love the FFVI soundtrack so much. I don't have any ideas at the moment, even though I just recorded a multi-track 'Save Them' cover, I'm interested in getting involved, either solo or collab. Better start thinking of some ideas =)

[Dj Mokram]

Darkesword will totes destroy us all.When he realizes what's been going on here, yeah he might. ;P

Now post your mix, Dj Mokram.Friendly warning before a mod tells you himself: you're not supposed to post wips or organize your project in a recruitment thread. Only recruit.

You are right, my unreliable tendencies are not good qualities.You're admitting of your own accord not being reliable. I have nothing else to add here.

If the pm is accidentally deleted in the process, then I might as well have never received itNothing is 'accidentally' deleted. You've powered the computer and clicked on the mouse. You've made the concious decision of deleting it.
Please stop trying to put that in a way that would exonerate you from all responsibilities.

Actually, if it's in the sitemap for the host it could've been a crawler from a search engine. Or, you could have listened to it again.See? You're treating people like imbeciles again. These files are private and accessible via a link known only by the owner and recipient.
You should know since you've got an account here with which you've accessed the file before.
As for suggesting I am senile and don't even remember what I do in front of a computer, that's just priceless. :lol:

If I listened to it and hated it like you claimed, one really has to wonder why I'd keep listening to it.My exact words were: "if it isn't to your liking". Go ahead and check it, I've never used the word 'hated'.
Twisting another person's words is the mark of those favoring manipulation and games of influence.

Post it here, and I will give a thorough review. [...] I hope you will eventually take me up on this.No, I won't, because again: this is a recruitment thread. See above for details.
I do however am tired of all the drama, so I might simply resend the wip to your PM box.
Please be considerate enough not to 'accidentally' delete it this time. Thanks.

>disconnecting drama mode in 3...2...1
/drama mode OFFLINE

It doesn't matter whether you've had no mixes posted, 1 mix posted, a handful pending or even a triple CD Greatest Hits album worth of mixes on the site; I will still treat every person equally when it comes to giving feedback.Now THAT is the kind of mind set that makes for a great collaborative project. :)

[Nekofrog]

oh, bitch bitch BITCH

[Xarnax42]

Two weeks, eh? I might be able to WIP something up for Awakening.

Put me down, if you please.

[Kaxon]

So anyone can claim a track now? Give me 2 weeks on Kids Run Through the City if you please. I can't guarantee good results but I'm sure gonna try.

[Mirby]

Prophecy, I'm not claiming a track, but if possible I'd like to lend my whistling and other vocal effect skills if anyone may want tem.

[Dj Mokram]

Just don't attack me when all I was trying to do was help.
Dear Mirby, how in the world could this sentence:
Friendly warning before a mod tells you himself: you're not supposed to post wips or organize your project in a recruitment thread. Only recruit.
be interpreted as a personal attack? :dstrbd:

I'm offering a friendly advice because, from my personal experience having a thread in this section and watching other's too, you'll most likely get a warning (and in worst case a thead lock) if you guys continue posting wips and discussing this project in depth. That's not a trheat, it's a fact.
This is what the 'Projects' forums is for, once you get approval to migrate there. For more details, simply consult the thread history or ask a mod directly.

Other than that, this is a perfectly civil conversation and that is why, for the sake of not derailing this any further, I've put a stop to unecessary drama.
I politely invite you to do the same if you care at all about the well being of this project. Sincerest apologies if your feelings have been hurt in the process.

Directing an album is hardwork, even moreso with a fan favorite like FFVI. Prophecy has to cope with certain disabilities, so I've gotta cut him some slack.
Whether or not I'll even end up being part of this project is another story, for only Jason and Bev hold the answer to that.
But for now, out of respect for everyone involved, I'll keep my interactions to PM and never question directors motivations again.

Good luck to all, and I'm looking forward to the result. :)

[Darangen]

oh, bitch bitch BITCH

Yeah.

Dj Mokram, if you don't like the way things are being done by the director, you don't have to be a part of the project. If you don't want to do something as simple as resending the pm, then don't send it and be on your way, the door is over there.

[Mirby]

When replying to recruitment threads, be courteous. Don't criticize the recruiter for starting an album project for a game that you don't like, or for a game that already had an album project previously, or for any other reason.

Says right in the guidelines for this forum.

[Nekofrog]

Yeah.

Dj Mokram, if you don't like the way things are being done by the director, you don't have to be a part of the project. If you don't want to do something as simple as resending the pm, then don't send it and be on your way, the door is over there.

i was referring to everyone

[Prophecy]

Tracklist is updated. I'm really loving the wip's I've been hearing so far guys, keep it up!


Whether or not I'll even end up being part of this project is another story, for only Jason and Bev hold the answer to that.


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. If you mean that we wouldn't allow you -- of course you can still be on the project. One of the main goals of this project is inclusion. Just send in your wip and I'll be happy to look at it. If you are concerned about using the pm system because of recent events, I have skype and AIM contacts listed in my profile. Skype is preferred. I may not always see messages right away, but I will definitely see them and respond to them. This goes for anyone else. Feel free to contact me on Aim or Skype.

you'll most likely get a warning (and in worst case a thead lock) if you guys continue posting wips and discussing this project in depth.

I've talked to mods about this project and the subject has never come up. But, I will ask just to be sure. I certainly wouldn't want for us to go outside of site guidelines. Besides, we're working on getting our own forums, so this thread is primarily for recruitment. I've sent Kyle a pm and I'll let you guys know how that pans out. KNGI would be ideal since I know many of you already have accounts there and have used the forums before. If that doesn't work out for some reason, I can very easily set up some forums myself.

I'm definitely for Orchestral.
Kefka's Theme is really geared towards fat and chunky sounding brass and cellos +timpani.
At least in my head it is har har har.

I want to avoid making it too orchestral since that's how the original is. I'm guilty of wanting to use brass in basically everything, so I'm trying not to use it, or at least not overuse it in this one. I think you're right though about an orchestral intro. I'm just trying to think of how to lead it into the rest of the song.


Also:
Prophecy I had a pretty good idea.

What if we mixed Live recorded strings with your sequenced ones and could create a neat little unique sounding ensemble?

I'm trying to think of lines in my head at the moment. But production wise, i could probably write sheets using overture and send them to whomever will play the live strings and to you as well.

Just an idea, but would maybe have some interesting results!


That is a good idea. I'm sure you know a lot of other talented musicians for that sort of thing. I was trying to think of people that play strings myself, and I remembered I know a couple of local people. I don't know if it's practical, but I'll see if I can get some recordings from them.

[DusK]

Well, since the song I wanted to do was actually claimed already even if he did say the wrong song (I know how that goes), I thought I wasn't gonna be interested in doing a track for the project.

Then I got a sweet idea for metulizing The Prelude. Mark me down for that. Someone has to tackle Prelude, right?

[Prophecy]

Someone has to tackle Prelude, right?

Darn right. I marked you down for it. Looking forward to hearing your wip.

[Dj Mokram]

Whether or not I'll even end up being part of this project is another story, for only Jason and Bev hold the answer to that.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. If you mean that we wouldn't allow you -- of course you can still be on the project.No, it simply means that the only ones who can decide whether someone is allowed on a project are the directors, and nobody else.
Sorry if the syntax was misleading, there was no ill-will intended here sir. :)

I've talked to mods about this project and the subject has never come up. But, I will ask just to be sure. I certainly wouldn't want for us to go outside of site guidelines.
Here are a few posts from Darke that should hopefully clarify things:

http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=821248&postcount=82
http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=714058&postcount=22
http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=714056&postcount=19
http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=683623&postcount=23

Best bet would be to contact him or another mod directly to make sure what's allowed. Hope this helps. ;-)

[Metal Man]

Just open an IRC channel and stick there...

[Orangedragan]

Maybe this is just me, but if we're planning to do vocals for the aria tracks, wouldn't it make sense to lump them all together so the styles match, as well as singers?

[BONKERS]

Well whatever the case, I still think we should get a private forum on KNGI
I need to post WIPS and discuss stuff about the song with people(especially if we are going to Collab). As well help others when and if applicable.
Especially if i'm going to get my arrangement 50% done by the 19th.
Maybe this is just me, but if we're planning to do vocals for the aria tracks, wouldn't it make sense to lump them all together so the styles match, as well as singers?

I'm not sure if i'm getting this, but generally if people are gonna do Aria it would make sense to have Consistency in every area.

When you think of the original soundtrack in the game. There are 0 inconsistencies in sound quality nor in production of the songs.
And I think that especially needs to hold true for Aria which in the game is a lot of songs melded into one giant masterpiece.

But if it's done well, the end result could be magnificent!
Though it's hard to beat this version, which is my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GNilFsGGV8

[Orangedragan]

Well whatever the case, I still think we should get a private forum on KNGI
I need to post WIPS and discuss stuff about the song with people(especially if we are going to Collab). As well help others when and if applicable.
Especially if i'm going to get my arrangement 50% done by the 19th.


I'm not sure if i'm getting this, but generally if people are gonna do Aria it would make sense to have Consistency in every area.

When you think of the original soundtrack in the game. There are 0 inconsistencies in sound quality nor in production of the songs.
And I think that especially needs to hold true for Aria which in the game is a lot of songs melded into one giant masterpiece.

But if it's done well, the end result could be magnificent!
Though it's hard to beat this version, which is my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GNilFsGGV8

Yea, it's hard to beat The Black Mages at remixes. Either way, I know I'd want to be in on that if the arrangers decide to incorporate vocals (hint hint, Metal Man and Jason) ;-)

[BONKERS]

Since the Vocals are pretty much the centerpiece of the music and the singing conveys the story of the song. It should,but who knows ..

I hope it does have vocals though, just not radically changed vocals. Like for example if someone were to change an Aria, into a hip-hop rap song or some shit like that lol.

[Prophecy]

I plan on having opera-ish vocals for Aria de Mezzo Carattere. 1 male, 1 female, just like the original. The primary notational changes will be in the accompaniment. I intend on using breakbeat/dnb elements.

[Orangedragan]

I plan on having opera-ish vocals for Aria de Mezzo Carattere. 1 male, 1 female, just like the original. The primary notational changes will be in the accompaniment. I intend on using breakbeat/dnb elements.

Like I said, I'd love to contribute my voice. Just send me a message if you'd like me to so we can figure it out. ^_^

[Metal Man]

Heh.. 50% is hard to define.
Does it represent the structure, the arrangement, the mixing ? ;)

[Nekofrog]

so you're going to have operatic vocals in an operatic video game song for a project thats supposed to change it up by rearranging and remixing

huh

[DusK]

Keeping the vocal style worked for pretty much every One Winged Angel remix out there. I don't think it's that farfetched.

[Omni-Psyence]

Yeah but the rearrangement and remixing is only half the story; the other half is that you're creating a new version of a previously existing work with the purpose of displaying it in a new light. So of course some semblance to the original is expected. This could show itself as adhering to chord progressions or rhythms more strictly, and also orchestration/instrumentation which seems to be so in this case.

[Prophecy]

so you're going to have operatic vocals in an operatic video game song for a project thats supposed to change it up by rearranging and remixing

huh

Yep. The vocals are only 1 element. I plan on changing the orchestra behind the vocals into something completely different while adding some new melodies as well. How does breakbeat+opera sound? =)

[Terra Mater]

Ooh, FFVI! If I had seen this earlier, I would have happily done Terra's theme, but it's cool.

Well, guys, if you need any help for your remixes, I am available.

I can contribute female vocals (a variety of styles) and folk harp. I can also play some recorder, piano, Irish bouzouki, glockenspiel, and whatnot. Since there are some vocal songs, I would LOVE to lend my voice to those! You can hear some examples here if any of you are interested:

www.youtube.com/roseofmay
www.natalyazarraga.com or http://soundcloud.com/natalyazarraga

[HoboKa]

I plan on having opera-ish vocals for Aria de Mezzo Carattere. 1 male, 1 female, just like the original. The primary notational changes will be in the accompaniment. I intend on using breakbeat/dnb elements.

Wouldn't the tempo for the breakbeat and dnb have to be really slow?? It might sound sort of awkward at 80 bpm or w/e :S, just sayin' - although ambient electronic would def fit the bill ;)

[Prophecy]

I can contribute female vocals (a variety of styles) and folk harp. I can also play some recorder, piano, Irish bouzouki, glockenspiel, and whatnot. Since there are some vocal songs, I would LOVE to lend my voice to those! You can hear some examples here if any of you are interested:

www.youtube.com/roseofmay
www.natalyazarraga.com or http://soundcloud.com/natalyazarraga

Actually, we could really use female vocals. And additional live instruments are certainly welcome. Oh, and you can still do terra's theme, once the tracklist is full.

Wouldn't the tempo for the breakbeat and dnb have to be really slow?? It might sound sort of awkward at 80 bpm or w/e :S, just sayin' - although ambient electronic would def fit the bill ;)

I'll probably go for 85/170, just like my kefka remix or something along those lines. 170 is pretty much the standard tempo for dnb, so I think it would be perfect for that.

[Nekofrog]

i think if someone wanted to be really daring they'd break the mold and do the aria in a totally different style

SAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Tuberz McGee]

I personally think a Modern Rock song, or even a stripped down version (Guitar + Vocals) would be cool.

I would take any chance I could get to sing Darkness and Starlight to my girlfriend. ;-)
Just a thought though. Feel free to do whatever.
Also, are you offering the different movements of Dancing Mad as individual tracks?
And are you offering duplicate tracks?
That could change the synergy of the project entirely.

[Rexy]

Duplicates are being offered once every track is represented at least once.
As for Dancing Mad, I think Brandon's intention is to cover the entire suite. I'm sure he can handle it though, given that the Black Mages can do that in 12 minutes :)

[Mirby]

Duplicates are being offered once every track is represented at least once.
As for Dancing Mad, I think Brandon's intention is to cover the entire suite. I'm sure he can handle it though, given that the Black Mages can do that in 12 minutes :)

To be fair, the last 3 minutes or so of that is just a massive solo. :P

[Terra Mater]

Actually, we could really use female vocals. And additional live instruments are certainly welcome. Oh, and you can still do terra's theme, once the tracklist is full.

Great! If I'm correct, you're doing the Aria de Mezzo Carattere, yes? I love that song, and it would be awesome to sing for it, and/or play whatever is needed. That's it if you don't already have someone lined up to do female vocals on that track, of course. Shall we PM to discuss it further? :)

[BONKERS]

so you're going to have operatic vocals in an operatic video game song for a project thats supposed to change it up by rearranging and remixing

huh
Don't start with that bullhonkey.

You change too much stuff = people dont' like it.
You aren't making a NEW song, you are making a new version of an EXISTING song. SO, ergo it needs to remain faithful to the original material to a large extent in order to not completely alienate the fans of the original music.


Unless of course, your audience is NOT in fact fans of FFVI's original music and you are just trying to make liberal bullhonkey that appeals to fellow musicians , while 99% of average listeners won't get, understand or like it.

Why do you think some people say negative things about some stuff OCR does?
Because people don't like how the music is Drastically changed.


It's extremely important to strike a middle ground with an Arrangement of a piece of music. Why else would official arrangements and things like The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas be so good, yet they change many elements from the originals?

Because they are faithful and strike a middle ground.
Old but new.
Refreshing but original.
New instrumentation on a simpler piece of music.


Also: I'd like to if possible, make a bonus track version of the Prelude that stays truer to the original piece(The FFVI version, which means bit slower paced than other version like the NES Preludes, like I did for Random Encounter) of music without changing the melody if that's alright. (sort of like I want to do with Battle, make this an extension of the original composition)
I've already started a WIP

[Orangedragan]

Don't start with that bullhonkey.

You change too much stuff = people dont' like it.
You aren't making a NEW song, you are making a new version of an EXISTING song. SO, ergo it needs to remain faithful to the original material to a large extent in order to not completely alienate the fans of the original music.


Unless of course, your audience is NOT in fact fans of FFVI's original music and you are just trying to make liberal bullhonkey that appeals to fellow musicians , while 99% of average listeners won't get, understand or like it.

Why do you think some people say negative things about some stuff OCR does?
Because people don't like how the music is Drastically changed.


It's extremely important to strike a middle ground with an Arrangement of a piece of music. Why else would official arrangements and things like The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas be so good, yet they change many elements from the originals?

Because they are faithful and strike a middle ground.
Old but new.
Refreshing but original.
New instrumentation on a simpler piece of music.

:nicework:

[HoboKa]

I'll probably go for 85/170, just like my kefka remix or something along those lines. 170 is pretty much the standard tempo for dnb, so I think it would be perfect for that.

Well, then that solves it :D Looking forward to the finished remix Prophecy :nicework:

[Nekofrog]

Don't start with that bullhonkey.

You change too much stuff = people dont' like it.
You aren't making a NEW song, you are making a new version of an EXISTING song. SO, ergo it needs to remain faithful to the original material to a large extent in order to not completely alienate the fans of the original music.


Unless of course, your audience is NOT in fact fans of FFVI's original music and you are just trying to make liberal bullhonkey that appeals to fellow musicians , while 99% of average listeners won't get, understand or like it.

Why do you think some people say negative things about some stuff OCR does?
Because people don't like how the music is Drastically changed.


It's extremely important to strike a middle ground with an Arrangement of a piece of music. Why else would official arrangements and things like The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas be so good, yet they change many elements from the originals?

Because they are faithful and strike a middle ground.
Old but new.
Refreshing but original.
New instrumentation on a simpler piece of music.


Also: I'd like to if possible, make a bonus track version of the Prelude that stays truer to the original piece(The FFVI version, which means bit slower paced than other version like the NES Preludes, like I did for Random Encounter) of music without changing the melody if that's alright. (sort of like I want to do with Battle, make this an extension of the original composition)
I've already started a WIP

i make remixes i like to listen to. and those tend to be very liberal interps of the source

if i want to listen to the source or something to it i'll pop the ost it in or listen to a cover

[HoboKa]

i make remixes i like to listen to. and those tend to be very liberal interps of the source

if i want to listen to the source or something to it i'll pop the ost it in or listen to a cover

Problem is, most Remix Albums aim to be conservative - for most video-game fans who download these remix albums expect the remixes to strongly resemble said source tunes. Yeah, you could argue that there's no proof of that claim and that I haven't made a tally of all the people here - but let's face it: this site's called OverClockedRemix not Total Rearrangement.

It's sort of hard to pay tribute to a source tune, if you've transformed it into something that barely resembles it, at least in my opinion.

[Rexy]

My stance on it is interpretation is up to the eye of the beholder. Both Nekofrog's and BONKERS's points are legit ways of handling the arrangement, definitely.
Though, if I have to state a stance - it would help if they state what the musicians were feeling with the source tune when making it. Messing around with the source or keeping it safer means nothing if the music-making passion isn't there :)

[Brandon Strader]

I like remixes to be completely recognizable to the source, gotta be able to hear it in there. That's the whole point. But I also think that if you want to hear the original, you can listen to the original. Make it totally recognizable but add your own flair to it.

[Tuberz McGee]

In my opinion. Everyone interprets and hears a piece of music differently.
You should stay true to how YOU hear the piece of music. Because everyone else will think of a completely different way.
It's all interpretation.

I like having 80% source and 20% originality. To me, that makes it recognizable AND original.
It's all opinion though. That's the best part. ;-)

[BONKERS]

I like remixes to be completely recognizable to the source, gotta be able to hear it in there. That's the whole point. But I also think that if you want to hear the original, you can listen to the original. Make it totally recognizable but add your own flair to it.
THIS, is EXACTLY what it means to Strike a Middle Ground.

If it's not obvious then, I can't help people.

A middle ground is to give your own character to your own version of the song while staying true to the original.

Which is EXACTLY why I used The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas as an example. These are the perfect official examples of striking a good middle ground.

A good arrangement shouldn't have to take 10 listens to figure out what the source is when the listener is familiar with the original.
And if your listener can't identify with the source at some point in the song then what's the point?

I remember back when I was like 11 and discovered OCR back in 2001/2002 I'd hear remixes that change stuff so much that I would say "This doesn't sound like *insert song* here at all!"
And then I'd hear something that changes the original tune a ton, but it's IMMEDIATELY recognizable and ends up being extremely enjoyable like this
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01043/
Or
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00633/ (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00690/)

I remember hearing these for the first time and being blown away, because they sounded amazing and it was extremely easy to hear what the songs were supposed to be.
Mind you this was before I had ever picked up a guitar, nor knew anything about music.(even though I had played Trumpet and Violin in Elementary School)


So to reiterate, Striking a middle ground is very important. Even more so because it's so much harder to do than just completely change the song altogether , or be completely conservative.
It can be 20% original 80% source or whatever so much as it retains the character of the original songs while giving it your own character (which itself can be a million things from the choice of instrument, to the style of percussion, or even the structure of the piece etc etc)with your arrangement OR instrumentation.

This is my opinion, true (and not a fact), but I will likely NEVER change my view on this mostly based on the personal belief that this is the right and best way to approach things when it comes to , so-called "Remixes"

My personal rule is to generally try to make the song recognizeable within the first minute if i'm making a really widly creative/different type of arrangement or else I know that , if, I was the listener, i'd lose interest by that point.
*cough*Maverick Rising*cough*MMX4/5 Dr.Light*cough*

[Nekofrog]

THIS, is EXACTLY what it means to Strike a Middle Ground.

If it's not obvious then, I can't help people.

A middle ground is to give your own character to your own version of the song while staying true to the original.

Which is EXACTLY why I used The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas as an example. These are the perfect official examples of striking a good middle ground.

A good arrangement shouldn't have to take 10 listens to figure out what the source is when the listener is familiar with the original.
And if your listener can't identify with the source at some point in the song then what's the point?

I remember back when I was like 11 and discovered OCR back in 2001/2002 I'd hear remixes that change stuff so much that I would say "This doesn't sound like *insert song* here at all!"
And then I'd hear something that changes the original tune a ton, but it's IMMEDIATELY recognizable and ends up being extremely enjoyable like this
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01043/
Or
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00633/ (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00690/)

I remember hearing these for the first time and being blown away, because they sounded amazing and it was extremely easy to hear what the songs were supposed to be.
Mind you this was before I had ever picked up a guitar, nor knew anything about music.(even though I had played Trumpet and Violin in Elementary School)


So to reiterate, Striking a middle ground is very important. Even more so because it's so much harder to do than just completely change the song altogether , or be completely conservative.
It can be 20% original 80% source or whatever so much as it retains the character of the original songs while giving it your own character (which itself can be a million things from the choice of instrument, to the style of percussion, or even the structure of the piece etc etc)with your arrangement OR instrumentation.

This is my opinion, true (and not a fact), but I will likely NEVER change my view on this mostly based on the personal belief that this is the right and best way to approach things when it comes to , so-called "Remixes"

My personal rule is to generally try to make the song recognizeable within the first minute if i'm making a really widly creative/different type of arrangement or else I know that , if, I was the listener, i'd lose interest by that point.
*cough*Maverick Rising*cough*MMX4/5 Dr.Light*cough*


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b325/naomi_rae/veq8b9.gif

[Brandon Strader]

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6020/veq8b9.gif
lern2read :whatevaa:

[Tuberz McGee]

THIS, is EXACTLY what it means to Strike a Middle Ground.

If it's not obvious then, I can't help people.

A middle ground is to give your own character to your own version of the song while staying true to the original.

Which is EXACTLY why I used The Black Mages/Earthbound Papas as an example. These are the perfect official examples of striking a good middle ground.

A good arrangement shouldn't have to take 10 listens to figure out what the source is when the listener is familiar with the original.
And if your listener can't identify with the source at some point in the song then what's the point?

I remember back when I was like 11 and discovered OCR back in 2001/2002 I'd hear remixes that change stuff so much that I would say "This doesn't sound like *insert song* here at all!"
And then I'd hear something that changes the original tune a ton, but it's IMMEDIATELY recognizable and ends up being extremely enjoyable like this
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01043/
Or
http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00633/ (http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR00690/)

I remember hearing these for the first time and being blown away, because they sounded amazing and it was extremely easy to hear what the songs were supposed to be.
Mind you this was before I had ever picked up a guitar, nor knew anything about music.(even though I had played Trumpet and Violin in Elementary School)


So to reiterate, Striking a middle ground is very important. Even more so because it's so much harder to do than just completely change the song altogether , or be completely conservative.
It can be 20% original 80% source or whatever so much as it retains the character of the original songs while giving it your own character (which itself can be a million things from the choice of instrument, to the style of percussion, or even the structure of the piece etc etc)with your arrangement OR instrumentation.

This is my opinion, true (and not a fact), but I will likely NEVER change my view on this mostly based on the personal belief that this is the right and best way to approach things when it comes to , so-called "Remixes"

My personal rule is to generally try to make the song recognizeable within the first minute if i'm making a really widly creative/different type of arrangement or else I know that , if, I was the listener, i'd lose interest by that point.
*cough*Maverick Rising*cough*MMX4/5 Dr.Light*cough*
^THIS
Very much this.
This is me to a tee practically.

[Prophecy]

Great! If I'm correct, you're doing the Aria de Mezzo Carattere, yes? I love that song, and it would be awesome to sing for it, and/or play whatever is needed. That's it if you don't already have someone lined up to do female vocals on that track, of course. Shall we PM to discuss it further? :)

Yep, that's the plan, 1 male and 1 female vocalist for Aria de Mezzo Carattere. I'll put you down for it as a collab partner next time I update the tracklist. Feel free to contact me about it, Skype is preferred.

[HoboKa]

Yep, that's the plan, 1 male and 1 female vocalist for Aria de Mezzo Carattere. I'll put you down for it as a collab partnet next time I update the tracklist. Feel free to contact me about it, Skype is preferred.

If you need any ambient pads/fx, gimme a hollar - I got over a hundred of them sitting on my harddrive lol.

[Rockos]

I'm taking The last dungeon. First wip started off now. ^^

Edit: So far it's sounding awesome. Hope u Like it.

[Rexy]

Relm's turning out good too - got 90 seconds of solid material, and the instrument selection discussion with the #ocremix IRC tonight really made things worthwhile for accompaniment inspiration.
Depending on how things go with my plans I might have the arrangement fleshed out by February yet :razz:

[Emperor Charlemagne]

I'm about 32 seconds into my WIP, with a lot of work yet to do. Should be fine for the deadline though.

As inspiration I took Time's Scar, but I don't think it'll be that good (what could?).

[Brandon Strader]

Just finally got home from MAGFest. Yeah, if you need both of my wips by the first, I'm going to have to drop. I've got tracks to do for other people that I've had on my list for months. Sorry.

Having said that, these are mixes I was planning to do anyway, so they'll still be made either way.

[Rexy]

Brandon, I don't think it'll matter if you just miss one deadline; in your case, both tracks have a deadline of completion or near-completion to be April 1st going by the three-phase rule. You've still got time :)

[Tuberz McGee]

Just edit together past things you've done and pass it off as a new ReMix.
Totes Legit.
Then come back to it later and say I ADDED MOAR SOURCE LOL
Except imagine that I was more serious and less gay while saying that.

[Brandon Strader]

Good idea!

Here's a WIP for Dancing Mad: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13741915/swinesax.mp3

:-D

[Tuberz McGee]

Tidy up the breakdown a bit and I'm assuming that at about 1:13 you're basing that melody off of the third movement and it's dissonance.
While this is excellent. I still feel that it's too consonant. It sounds too pleasant for this kind of feel that you're going for.

Overall however, I feel it's a little bit too coverish and needs a bit more variation from the source tune.

NO (Resubmit)

[pu_freak]

You shouldn't post WIPs in the Project Thread, it decreases the chance of this becoming an official OCR Project. PM the directors or wait untill we get our forums at KNGI

[Prophecy]

Ok, tracklist is updated. Let me know if I missed anything so I can fix it. Also, Metal Man, PabloComa has dropped his claim to the track so I've put you down for it since you also expressed interest.

I'm going to treat 2 week claims as half a phase. So deadlines will be dates like 2-1-12, 2-15-12, etc.

You shouldn't post WIPs in the Project Thread, it decreases the chance of this becoming an official OCR Project. PM the directors or wait untill we get our forums at KNGI

I have talked to DarkeSword and he has confirmed that only recruiting (for projects) is allowed in Recruit & Collab for projects. So, we will definitely need forums. Everyone's still coming down from Magfest right now, so I'm going to give it some more time to see if we can get forums at KNGI. If that doesn't happen for some reason I have already set up some forums -- they just need to be enabled to be used. KNGI is preferred though, since some people already have logins there.

Just finally got home from MAGFest. Yeah, if you need both of my wips by the first, I'm going to have to drop. I've got tracks to do for other people that I've had on my list for months. Sorry.

Having said that, these are mixes I was planning to do anyway, so they'll still be made either way.

Hey, no worries. I was surprised to see you claim in the first place since I know you've got a pretty full plate of stuff to do. Let me know when you have the time, and I'd be more than happy to have you on the project. Besides, you've already made an important contribution in steering Bonkers over here. ;)

[Brandon Strader]

Yeah, I felt like I would come home from MAGFest and blow through stuff like mad, but until that actually happens it's not too responsible to keep piling on too much stuff, especially stuff like a 15 minute Dancing Mad. But if you're cool with being a little more patient with me and not being too strict on me deadline-wise, I can still do it, especially if I get stuff done, but I think the 1st is too soon. :-o

[Metal Man]

Metal Man, PabloComa has dropped his claim to the track so I've put you down for it since you also expressed interest.

Super cool since I started working on it anyway hehe

[DusK]

Making excellent progress on my Prelude remix. It's turning out better than I hoped. I'm at roughly 50% now, but I'll hold out for a bit. I should be able to hand you a complete track within a couple of days or so, Prophecy.

[pu_freak]

So, there's another FF6 project in the works that already has OCR approval :( what's the plan?

[Dj Mokram]

So, there's another FF6 project in the works that already has OCR approval :( what's the plan?
Seriously? I didn't see any announcement... unless it's a private project run by the elite & friendz, and closed to public?
That'd be pretty douchey toward Prophecy and everyone here who started working on their tracks already. :whatevaa:

[SuperiorX]

Well now we know everyone who's not involved in the secret private FF6 project... :(

[Darangen]

Seriously? I didn't see any announcement... unless it's a private project run by the elite & friendz, and closed to public?
That'd be pretty douchey toward Prophecy and everyone here who started working on their tracks already. :whatevaa:

Not exactly douchey. It's probably been in the works for months if not longer. It was a private project.

They made a new policy about private projects to keep this from happening again. The game(s) that private projects are working on will now be visible to the public. You won't know who's running it, the theme, who's working on it, etc - just the game(s) involved.

[DarkeSword]

Seriously? I didn't see any announcement... unless it's a private project run by the elite & friendz, and closed to public?
That'd be pretty douchey toward Prophecy and everyone here who started working on their tracks already. :whatevaa:
It's in the NEW POLICY sticky in the Community forum.

It's also been in the works for a couple of months now.

[Chernabogue]

That's a shame, but at least the two projects will be different.

[Dj Mokram]

It's probably been in the works for months if not longer.
It's also been in the works for a couple of months now.
For months? :dstrbd:

Then why let Prophecy run his project for nearly 2 weeks (and people work on remixes) before deciding to reveal it?
Whoever runs this private show just made a mockery out of everyone here, which is pretty rude tbh.

[Darangen]

For months? :dstrbd:

Then why let Prophecy run his project for nearly 2 weeks (and people work on remixes) before deciding to reveal it?
Whoever runs this private show just made a mockery out of everyone here, which is pretty rude tbh.

To be fair to those in charge, MAGfest was last week where the majority of the OCR staff attended and it takes quite a bit of time preparing for events like that. Throw on top of that the fact that they have personal lives, new years was the week before, Christmas the week before that, etc.

Sure, it sucks. I was on the project and looking forward to being part of it. But to call people douches or to imply that they intended to make a mockery of everyone here is not really called for.

Just keep working on your track, you obviously chose it because you wanted to do it. It just won't end up on the project.

[Prophecy]

Let's not let this turn into a flame war. I don't think this was done with the intent of harming anyone, though I do agree that private, exclusive projects are not in the best of tastes.

I'm discussing things with the other project director. I'm sure some reasonable arrangement can be reached. What is definitely off the table is abandoning this project. The other project is exclusive and formed in secret.

I wanted to do the opposite with this project because I feel that is more in the spirit of OCR's mission. Anyone can submit a track to ocr. Even if you are rejected, the judges will provide critiques. There are forums dedicated to the purpose of critique and growth as musicians. I wanted to have a project that would reflect that. Some of you didn't think I went far enough in this regard, and so the rules were changed to make them better.

Once some sort of arrangement is reached with the other project director, we will have forums. I have talked to Kyle, he's ready when we are. There's no reason to abandon the work done for this project or to think it can't still be a huge success.

[Fishy]

For months? :dstrbd:

Then why let Prophecy run his project for nearly 2 weeks (and people work on remixes) before deciding to reveal it?
Whoever runs this private show just made a mockery out of everyone here, which is pretty rude tbh.

To be fair a few members of staff (myself included) were getting annoyed by not being able to tell these guys about those projects. It just takes a week or two to talk about it and decide if we need a new policy or not. Combine that with magfest taking up everyones time, I think they responded reasonably quickly for something like this without precedent.

[Prophecy]

To be fair a few members of staff (myself included) were getting annoyed by not being able to tell these guys about those projects. It just takes a week or two to talk about it and decide if we need a new policy or not. Combine that with magfest taking up everyones time, I think they responded reasonably quickly for something like this without precedent.

Hey, no worries. As far as I'm concerned, that's in the past now and things are in the open. I'd like to deal with how things are, not how they were. I'm sure this will be resolved shortly and we'll all move forward with awesome ff6 remixes.

[Darangen]

What is definitely off the table is abandoning this project.

With the current situation, will that effect current and future due dates for WiPs?

[Brandon Strader]

It's disgusting. They're "too good" to work with the community so they make a private project, then announce that they've been doing it to deter the community project...

[DarkeSword]

It's disgusting. They're "too good" to work with the community so they make a private project, then announce that they've been doing it to deter the community project...
Nobody's deterring anything. There is nothing that says that this project can't continue.

[Brandon Strader]

If I was running this project, I would definitely be very discouraged :3

I'm glad Prophecy sees it as a type of challenge to go above and beyond, though... It makes me uncomfortable.

[Nekofrog]

Nobody's deterring anything. There is nothing that says that this project can't continue.

These exclusionary tactics for the sake of a "surprise" have to stop.

Don't want a remixer on a song? Just tell them straight up. Filtering people out by invite only is stupid, offensive, and only serves to cause problems in the community.

[Gario]

These exclusionary tactics for the sake of a "surprise" have to stop.

I think that's why they're making their private projects public. I'm glad Prophecy is taking this as well as he is, but for everyone else what else can you expect them to do other than make the announcement now like they have? Damage has already been done - rather than deriding them on it why not appreciate that it's not going to happen again?

I think the staff saw this as a problem and agree with you all, for the most part, hence the announcement. There's nothing that they can do to change the past, though, so it'd be more constructive to focus on damage control rather than assaulting the staff for all this. :whatevaa:

[Metal Man]

With such a huge title, the director must have choosen great remixers.
I hope it'll be diverse and include many differant styles.

But anyway, two FF6 projects meansmore tunes means more styles means more fun and so on :)

[Level 99]

For months? :dstrbd:

Then why let Prophecy run his project for nearly 2 weeks (and people work on remixes) before deciding to reveal it?
Whoever runs this private show just made a mockery out of everyone here, which is pretty rude tbh.

In the same way a director chooses to reveal their project and recruit in public, so too should be their right to keep things exclusive. The best part about OCR projects is that there's no concretely-set way that it has to be organized or worked on, just what involvement they need to get it posted as well as the quality bar (along with a few other assorted things). OCR doesn't not allow multiple projects of the same game, which is why things weren't brought up the moment this was made (same deal with Banjo Kazooie), however it made the staff face the issue of potentially releasing multiple albums for the same game around the same time, which is a little much.

If the person(s) running the closed FF6 album want to keep it private and locked down, that's their choice. Just because there are two does not mean that one needs to shut down, or one is better or more desirable than the other, and it most definitely does not make a mokery out of everyone here. The other one was in the works for months. It would have been much more douchey if staff had done nothing and y'all only knew about it potentially after it had been released, this at least lets people know of its existence. Staff made a decision, put it into effect, and let everyone know what was up as soon as we could. Holidays + MAGFest + Real Life may have potentially added a day or two to the time we acted but that is super-minimal in most respects.

The idea is to never discourage multiple projects, but to keep things fair and more transparent. :wink:

I don't think anyone is going to complain if two FF6 albums are released, each with its own music or style or roster or whatever, as long as there is enough time inbetween and potentially enough of a difference in scope and goal.

Hey, no worries. As far as I'm concerned, that's in the past now and things are in the open. I'd like to deal with how things are, not how they were. I'm sure this will be resolved shortly and we'll all move forward with awesome ff6 remixes.

Thanks for having such a positive attitude about all this. You really are providing a very positive example to other people who may and will run into this in the future. Best of luck with everything, looking forward to seeing what comes out of it!

It's disgusting. They're "too good" to work with the community so they make a private project, then announce that they've been doing it to deter the community project...

"too good" to work with the community has nothing to do with it. Closed, private projects have a lot of benefits.

1) less stressed recruitment and rostering: you don't have people hounding down your door to join your album, and you can be much more selective about who or what you want on it without looking like a jerkface. Sometimes directors get ideas in their heads and know exactly where they want to go with them, and who they want involved. Having a public project at this point just adds extra work to turn people away.
2) its a surprise. Surprises are fun, and it allows a lot more flexibility with deadlines, milestones, and is also potentially a plus when it is released because WHOA IT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE HOW AWESOME.
3) It removes interference from outside sources. As long as it is kept under wraps, you don't have to keep answering people about when its coming out or what all is going on with it.
And many more.

A closed project, in regards to mixers on it, really is no different than a normal project except there's no outside talk about it and less pressure. For a director, it can be considerably less hassle and more flexibility.

Facing facts, not every album needs to be an open and recruiting community effort. I don't hear people bitching about missing out on joining one-man albums that were revealed at release :wink: Now that it is at least going to be known that a game or games are being worked on in a closed project, it can sway people towards or away from approaching it themselves. That's their choice. This was not announced to deter people from joining this FF6 project, but rather to let people know that there may be a delay in posting if both are queued up at the same time. To take a page from your own book Brandon, what's wrong with more music?

Both open and closed projects have their benefits, their drawbacks, and their usages here in this community. Try to see it as that, since it is most-definitely not a statement of contempt about the community.

These exclusionary tactics for the sake of a "surprise" have to stop.

Don't want a remixer on a song? Just tell them straight up. Filtering people out by invite only is stupid, offensive, and only serves to cause problems in the community.

I disagree wholeheartedly with most of this. If a director wants something to be a surprise, they have the right to have it be as such. What we're doing now is partially compromising some surprises in order to allow more transparency and better knowledge of the current album landscape should they want to run something similar. Its not an exclusionary tactics, its a director's choice on how they want to run and control their album.

I agree that if you don't want a remixer on your public album, just tell them straight up. However, if a director wants an album to be invite-only, that's their choice. There is absolutely no obligation that anyone has to open a project for recruitment, and butthurt happens in nearly every album regardless of how it is run.

Edit:

With such a huge title, the director must have choosen great remixers.
I hope it'll be diverse and include many differant styles.

But anyway, two FF6 projects meansmore tunes means more styles means more fun and so on :)

Thank you for having a positive outlook on this.


ALSO

Just to address something bugging me in the back of my head, we can only list albums, open or closed, public or private, that we know about. That means that this policy goes both ways: if anyone else has started a secret project and doesn't want to conflict with others or face a potentially extended timeline, its existence needs to be made known.

[Archangel]

I agree that the staff aren't to blame, but in all fairness, someone could have foreseen this, especially with Final Fantasy VI. Everyone's been begging for this project for a long time.

There have even been plans for a Final Fantasy VI project about a year ago and I was secretly invited to participate in it. You can imagine I was a little surprised when I saw this thread, but because I hadn't received any new information about the secret project, I just assumed it was dropped.

I've never been a fan of secret elite projects. I think they alienate a lot of people because they give an impression that this is a tightly sealed community with a strict hierarchy that doesn't allow newcomers to participate in project albums. That's not true, of course, but it even took me a couple of years to become an active member of the community because I was intimidated and somewhat unsure about whether I'd get accepted--not just by the judges, but by the community in general.

I'm glad things are (more or less) out in the open now. It's a very good decision and I support it.

I hope the artists on this project don't get too discouraged by this. I'm certain you're capable of making wonderful music and it would be a real shame to drop the project just because of this misunderstanding.

[Darangen]

As far as there being an "elitist group" or hierarchy, it's just not true. If you've ever been to MAGFest (if you haven't you should go at least once) or any of the OCR meetups you'd quickly learn that the community is full of incredibly down to earth and accepting people.

I think it's an inherent flaw in online communication or any textual communication for that matter where words are too often taken out of context or read in a way that makes the writer interpreted in a wrong way. I think that's what causes people to see others as elitists, separatists, etc. In most cases they're 100% wrong.

[Rexy]

Darangen's right - when I met Fishy, WillRock and ProtoDome for the London Gaming Con, they came across as extremely friendly and like-minded people. And the sheer amount of organisation on the panel we did and the antics afterwards were great to be a part of, and a worthwhile enlightenment into the more 'human' side of the OCR community. I hope to see them all again this December!

Anyway, back to the point at hand. Naturally I was disappointed with the news when I found out. I saw this as a great working venture to pay honor to that one game that heavily changed my gaming outlook at the time, and that is something that I don't want to deny. So to see the news about the closed project come through, it made me feel as if all we did was a step in the wrong direction.

But let's take Celes's words in the game as an inspiration - "You want to live in the world as it is? No? Then do something about it!" Of course, complaining to the staff is NOT a good idea as they have seen these two sides of the story come through. But what were you expecting them to do - push on the hidden project and release it under our noses, or let us release the thing while upsetting the other side? This comes as a compromise for both sides, and while it may be a stumble on this path, think about how the other side would react as well.

But back to our take on this - let's take it all into perspective, right? Jason barely knows the game much but he has a vision to succeed with OCR's main aim in getting people out there, and coupled with that I have an emotional attachment that would make it work in ways that you can think.

* When I saw the frozen esper in the Narshe mines, I stared at it in awe.
* When I saw the moogle army, I just wanted to dive in the game and cuddle them all.
* When I saw Kefka complaining about sand in his boots, I busted a gut.
* When I saw Celes proclaim herself as "not a love-starved twit", I busted the other gut. :razz:
* When I choked on my first run through the opera, I couldn't stop laughing at how I did that. xD
* When I went through the Magitek Research Facility, I let the beat of the music flow in me, even going as far as doing an early case of the djp.
* When I saw the apocalypse, I was scared and had nightmares on that scene for days.
* When I (unknowingly) let Cid die and saw the following scene, I was crying buckets.
* When I discovered the Falcon, I had this instinct to really work hard to overpower the odds.
* When I saw the interior of Kefka's Tower... I apparently soiled my pants. .__.

That's just a small list of feelings I felt with the game, and many of them ended up sticking inside my head a significant amount and have been very important events for my progression on viewing the world of videogames. In my honest opinion, it is THE best Final Fantasy game in the entire series and I felt honored to be able to work alongside Jason and see what can be done to work with it.

And of course, some people may see us as the "raggy dolls" of this joint in comparison to the closed project. Well, we don't even know who's in the closed one so we can't come to close conclusions.
What I can say is that they may have a vision, and even though we may not be considered the community ultimates, we have ours. There is more than one side to every story, and of course something can be said about a piece of music as well. Jason has a lot of production experience under his belt, while at the same time I want to make sure everyone brings out the soul of the music and really give it a sense of meaning.

tl,dr; Don't worry about a damn thing! Just get in there, make great music, and make Uematsu proud - we can do this! :mrgreen:

[Archangel]

I think it's an inherent flaw in online communication or any textual communication for that matter where words are too often taken out of context or read in a way that makes the writer interpreted in a wrong way. I think that's what causes people to see others as elitists, separatists, etc. In most cases they're 100% wrong.

Or maybe people just misread other people's comments. =P I said that the hierarchy thing was not true. It was just the impression I got as a complete newbie.

I've never been to an OCR meetup, though. I live in Europe, so it's not exactly a short trip to the US for me.

[Kuolema]

Just want to give Prophecy a thumbs up for not backing down and to everyone who's taking part as well. Keep at it :)

[Rozovian]

Just want to give Prophecy a thumbs up for not backing down and to everyone who's taking part as well. Keep at it :)

+1 thumb. The rest of you, be done whining and get back to making cool music. :P

[DarkeSword]

Just want to give Prophecy a thumbs up for not backing down and to everyone who's taking part as well. Keep at it :)
... there's nothing to "back down" from. :|

Seriously, nobody is trying to shut this project down.

[evktalo]

Another cheer to Jason, and Rexy as well, for their outlook in this. I for one see no problem with getting two projectfuls of FF6 ReMixes. (:

(I also see the point Level99 made about the differences in running public and private projects. It's really up to the directors how they want to roll. From the listeners point of view.. 25YEARLEGEND was a total surprise for me, and it was great fun to be surprised. But following projects publicly from beginning to end is just as fun.)

--Eino

[Fishy]

Yeah just to re-iterate, this move was not intended to pressure anyone I'm sure. It was meant to just let people know it was already in the works, and make their own minds up if they want to crack on. More power to ya!

And then the new policy was put in to make sure this situation doesn't happen again.

[Archangel]

... there's nothing to "back down" from. :|

Seriously, nobody is trying to shut this project down.

I don't think anyone thinks that, but someone might lose their motivation to participate in the project.

I hope no one does, though! Final Fantasy VI is a great game with magical music that, come to think of it, deserves at least two projects to be at least remotely covered. =)

[Liontamer]

From the listeners point of view.. 25YEARLEGEND was a total surprise for me, and it was great fun to be surprised.

By only having indie game composers that Rekcahdam and we knew recruited for a concept album with a specific vision, that project was elitist and wrong. I also think such an approach is bad PR for OC ReMix, because people will be angry with pitchforks that not everyone who would have wanted to be on a Zelda 25th anniversary album got to be on it, as was their God-given right.

(See? It always sounds silly. :lol:)

[Kuolema]

I don't think anyone thinks that, but someone might lose their motivation to participate in the project.

I hope no one does, though! Final Fantasy VI is a great game with magical music that, come to think of it, deserves at least two projects to be at least remotely covered. =)

Exactly :)
More music is always good!

[Tuberz McGee]

Well, I came back to this bombshell.
Cool. There's already one, that's fine and all. We don't have to stop.
It's one of those games that I would cover EVERY SINGLE SONG if I could.
It's my second favourite game (behind Chrono Trigger), and It brought me joy.

This ReMix project is for members of the community that want to express their pure emotion.
Even though they may not necessarily have "MAD STUDIO CHO-" nah, I'll ruin that if I use it. Heh
Whereas that secret project is for people that are already quite versed in the art of ReMixing. (Why it's invite only)

Either way, you'll end up with two entirely different feels because of this)

I support as much Final Fantasy VI love as possible.

[OA]

Hey guys, you can calm down now, i'm on the project. :-)

[Prophecy]

Hey guys, you can calm down now, i'm on the project. :-)

=)

We're going to be getting forums very soon here, so I'll update the tracklist when that happens. And people have been practically spamming my inbox with awesome wip's so there will be more updates.

[pu_freak]

Just what this project needed: More drama :P

It's too bad that we have to share the remixer pool (and especially the more experienced mixers) between the two projects and that the attention for the 2nd FF6 album will probably be less than the first to be released.

I remember when Heroes vs Villians was announced when we were working on BadAss, which wasn't something I liked very much. Fortunatly we could differentiate ourselves by having only boss themes and sticking to a dark vibe on the entire album, but I don't see such a difference possible between these two FF6 albums. I highly doubt that the other one is genre based, just that it is handled by the 'pro's'.

Ah well, there's nothing that can be done or could have been better done otherwise and we'll make sure that this FF6 album will be a kickass one. Just one question Prophecy: with your strict deadlines (which I liked about this album, it meant that it could potentially be done in a year), would we face the same potential release date as the other album? In other words: do we have to wait to make the time between releases larger?

[Darangen]

I'm still excited to be on this project!

[Rockos]

Darangen's right - when I met Fishy, WillRock and ProtoDome for the London Gaming Con, they came across as extremely friendly and like-minded people. And the sheer amount of organisation on the panel we did and the antics afterwards were great to be a part of, and a worthwhile enlightenment into the more 'human' side of the OCR community. I hope to see them all again this December!

Anyway, back to the point at hand. Naturally I was disappointed with the news when I found out. I saw this as a great working venture to pay honor to that one game that heavily changed my gaming outlook at the time, and that is something that I don't want to deny. So to see the news about the closed project come through, it made me feel as if all we did was a step in the wrong direction.

But let's take Celes's words in the game as an inspiration - "You want to live in the world as it is? No? Then do something about it!" Of course, complaining to the staff is NOT a good idea as they have seen these two sides of the story come through. But what were you expecting them to do - push on the hidden project and release it under our noses, or let us release the thing while upsetting the other side? This comes as a compromise for both sides, and while it may be a stumble on this path, think about how the other side would react as well.

But back to our take on this - let's take it all into perspective, right? Jason barely knows the game much but he has a vision to succeed with OCR's main aim in getting people out there, and coupled with that I have an emotional attachment that would make it work in ways that you can think.

* When I saw the frozen esper in the Narshe mines, I stared at it in awe.
* When I saw the moogle army, I just wanted to dive in the game and cuddle them all.
* When I saw Kefka complaining about sand in his boots, I busted a gut.
* When I saw Celes proclaim herself as "not a love-starved twit", I busted the other gut. :razz:
* When I choked on my first run through the opera, I couldn't stop laughing at how I did that. xD
* When I went through the Magitek Research Facility, I let the beat of the music flow in me, even going as far as doing an early case of the djp.
* When I saw the apocalypse, I was scared and had nightmares on that scene for days.
* When I (unknowingly) let Cid die and saw the following scene, I was crying buckets.
* When I discovered the Falcon, I had this instinct to really work hard to overpower the odds.
* When I saw the interior of Kefka's Tower... I apparently soiled my pants. .__.

That's just a small list of feelings I felt with the game, and many of them ended up sticking inside my head a significant amount and have been very important events for my progression on viewing the world of videogames. In my honest opinion, it is THE best Final Fantasy game in the entire series and I felt honored to be able to work alongside Jason and see what can be done to work with it.

And of course, some people may see us as the "raggy dolls" of this joint in comparison to the closed project. Well, we don't even know who's in the closed one so we can't come to close conclusions.
What I can say is that they may have a vision, and even though we may not be considered the community ultimates, we have ours. There is more than one side to every story, and of course something can be said about a piece of music as well. Jason has a lot of production experience under his belt, while at the same time I want to make sure everyone brings out the soul of the music and really give it a sense of meaning.

tl,dr; Don't worry about a damn thing! Just get in there, make great music, and make Uematsu proud - we can do this! :mrgreen:
This ^


This is my fav game. The feelings, the character, the music, the story, kefka ^^. Everything was so perfect about this game. And I'm happy to try my best on a remix and to participate (even tho my mix is not as cool as the others.) and give feedback comment and anything to help. I'll be happy to follow every mix on this album while it's taking form. :)

[Brandon Strader]

* When I saw Kefka complaining about sand in his boots, I busted a gut.
* When I saw Celes proclaim herself as "not a love-starved twit", I busted the other gut. :razz:

You got two guts? What are you, a cow? MOO!

......i will do good songs......

[Kuolema]

Hey guys, you can calm down now, i'm on the project. :-)

Were you just trolling with this comment? :P (http://ocremix.org/forums/showpost.php?p=822789&postcount=23)

[Metal Man]

Here's my first wip.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19040508/Destinated%20to%20Forums/my%20wip.jpg

[Chris | Amaterasu]

In my head is sounds like terra's theme, unless my pitch is off lol =)

[Darangen]

It's Terra's theme.

[Rexy]

Would've made more sense to go for a minim instead of a crotchet tie in bar 4, Metal Man. :razz:

And I'm happy to try my best on a remix and to participate (even tho my mix is not as cool as the others.)

Oh don't say that - the Last Dungeon, being a bass heavy source, fits your style to a T and you managed to gain my trust. So I can trust you to really provide a solid result on it :wink:

[Metal Man]

Would've made more sense to go for a minim instead of a crotchet tie in bar 4, Metal Man. :razz:

The crotchet tie is there because the vibrato in on the second half on the played note :P

[Chernabogue]

I sent the WiP to HoboKa, so he can work on it before we can sub a good 50% WiP your way, Jason! :)

[Rexy]

Awww, that's very kind of you Alex :)
Two guys with the same interest in the same song, collabing. That's the community spirit I'm talking about!

[Chernabogue]

Awww, that's very kind of you Alex :)
Two guys with the same interest in the same song, collabing. That's the community spirit I'm talking about!
Yeah, we agreed on collabing, as we wanted to do the same track. I'm sure it'll turn out great! :)

[Emperor Charlemagne]

I'm about 50 seconds in, and just need to come up with a suitable drum part for the first major melodic part.

Considering the three-day weekend, I should be well on my way towards delivering a WIP by the deadline. If not before.

[Darangen]

After reading Rexy's list of why FF6 is/was amazing, I feel compelled to play through it again.

THANKS A LOT REXY!!! :P

[Rexy]

Not a problem! I should probably do the same but I'm *this* close to beating Rayman Origins at the moment :razz:

[Metal Man]

You guys don't answer your PM ?

[Prophecy]

You guys don't answer your PM ?

We do, but at least give us 24 hours. You aren't the only person that sent a wip in yesterday afternoon and I haven't had the chance to listen just yet. I will listen and give you a review, just like everyone else. I still have some wip's from the day before yesterday I need to review too.

I wouldn't never guessed we'd be getting so many wip's so quickly. But that's a good problem to have, right?

[Rexy]

Metal Man, the PM you sent me was just a "hello". I didn't receive any WIPs from you aside from your "sheet music" sketch. :razz:

[Prophecy]

Metal Man, the PM you sent me was just a "hello". I didn't receive any WIPs from you aside from your "sheet music" sketch. :razz:

He sent me an mp3 after the first pm. Metal Man, maybe you could send it to Rexy too?

[Chernabogue]

HoboKa and I are doing great so far, you'll have a 50% WiP soon. :)

[Emperor Charlemagne]

You want a PM sent to both you and Rexy, Prophecy?
Just making sure.

[Metal Man]

that's a good problem to have, right?
definitely :lol:
Metal Man, the PM you sent me was just a "hello". I didn't receive any WIPs from you aside from your "sheet music" sketch. :razz:
Yeah well, I wanted to say hello first ;P I'll send you a small wip right away

[Darangen]

Any ETA on the KNGI forums?

[Brandon Strader]

Aren't you gonna get ocr forums for this'n?

[KyleJCrb]

Any ETA on the KNGI forums?

Working on it right now.

EDIT: And they should be good to go.

[Prophecy]

Working on it right now.

EDIT: And they should be good to go.

Thanks a million! Looks like I've got some work to do myself....

If you aren't signed up yet, the link is http://www.kngi.org/phpbb3/index.php

[Orangedragan]

That was THE MOST ANNOYING Captcha I have EVER seen to register.

[Darangen]

Thanks Kyle

[KyleJCrb]

That was THE MOST ANNOYING Captcha I have EVER seen to register.

Considering we were overrun with bots at one point, I consider this a win. :-P

I did adjust it to make it a little easier, however. Hopefully that'll help you guys out.

[Darangen]

Should probably post a link to the forums in the main post up top.

[Brandon Strader]

Considering we were overrun with bots at one point, I consider this a win. :-P

I did adjust it to make it a little easier, however. Hopefully that'll help you guys out.
I'm glad to already be signed up. People don't realize how difficult CAPTCHAs can be for someone of my limited eyesight. And when you click the "crippled button" to hear it audibly, it sounds like spirits from beyond the grave chanting random sounds and it scares me. I wish the internet were more considerate. And less scary.

P.S. This isn't directed at you Kyle, just CAPTCHAS and the internet in general

[Kaxon]

I'm gonna have to relinquish my claim on Kids Run Through The City since I don't have anything useable. Sorry about that.

[Brandon Strader]

I was worried, especially with the announcement of the secret one, but the line-up on this is looking pretty bitchin'

[RoeTaKa]

I remember a couple of years ago there was a FFVI project with a private forum but I doubt it's the same project as the private one mentioned. I've got quite a bit on my plate music wise so I'm not going to claim anything but if I were to choose anything it would probably be Locke's Theme or The Unforgiven. I'll check this thread again later at some point though and possibly claim one of those.

[Wiesty]

Hey Prophecy PM me, I'd like to get in on a track if possible!
Thanks

[KyleJCrb]

I remember a couple of years ago there was a FFVI project with a private forum but I doubt it's the same project as the private one mentioned.

It's not. I've talked to the directors of that private project from several years ago and it would seem to be dead in the water.

[DDRKirby(ISQ)]

GLL told me I should think about getting in on this! No real idea what track I'll get, but most of the time my track ideas come to fruition over the course of a couple of hours tops (must be all that OHC experience), so no need to really claim anything...we'll see what happens!

[Tuberz McGee]

I must say, if there's not a huge collab filled blues arrangement of Johnny C Bad
...
I will have a substantial amount of disappoint
I'm down for it if anyone else is. I love me some blues filled goodness and this seems like the track for it.

[Mirby]

I must say, if there's not a huge collab filled blues arrangement of Johnny C Bad
...
I will have a substantial amount of disappoint
I'm down for it if anyone else is. I love me some blues filled goodness and this seems like the track for it.

I second this motion.

Johnny C Bad needs to have a blues megacollab.

[prophetik music]

btw, flex, i'm in. sorry i never got back to you. i'm just slow.

[Prophecy]

I second this motion.

Johnny C Bad needs to have a blues megacollab.

And I third this motion.

[Mirby]

And I third this motion.

Can I contribute some vocal sound effect skills I possess to help this megacollab happen? :P

[Wiesty]

If this ever goes down count me in on either drums/organ/piano/ or vibes, sounds like a fun collab.

[Tuberz McGee]

If this is ACTUALLY gonna happen. I call Guitars and Vox if anyone wants that.
Just include several train metaphors, blues lyrics on the go.
But yeah, I'm down if anyone wants to join in. Just you'll have to wait a week or two for my recording gear to arrive from another country.
The worst part of moving to another country. Ugh.

[Mirby]

several train metaphors
so the phantom train then

[Tuberz McGee]

MIRBY IS WRITING LYRICS YEAH
But yeah. If you want to participate, I'm all down for it.
We'd need Drums, Bass, Guitars, Harmonica, Keys.
Anything else is just extra musical wankage.

PEEPS PM ME IF YOU'RE INTERESTED
We'll all do a WIP together and hopefully take the track.

[Brandon Strader]

wha? Mega C. Bad medley?
whateva i'll play a guitar solo or an organ solo

[Rexy]

I'm up for it if you want me! I of course have piano service if anyone wants to use it, and I also have a harmonica on hand but I don't consider myself a shredder with it o_O

[Tuberz McGee]

So how about? (so far):
Rexy - Keys(Piano would probably fit those early blues far more anyway)/Harmonica
Brandon - Guitar/Organ - Mainly leads (But perhaps we could share them all out)
Tuberz - Guitars/Vocals (I'm down for everyone singin' if they want)

Is that cool with you guys. I think it would be freakin' rad.

Then all we would need then is bass and drums. The rest is an optional extra.
Do you guys know anyone who could do them? I'm kinda stumped.

[Rexy]

Brandon has a bass at least, but you're going to have to ask him first. As for a drummer, live drums to me are few and far between so you might be pressed on your luck for that o_O

[Tuberz McGee]

Well, if Brandon is down for bass I would have a high possibility of bearing his children...
And as for percussion, perhaps we could find a really quiet more 'brushy' kit through VST or something.
I dunno. I have drum mics, and my brother plays... but he generally plays more metal styles.
I could ask him to do blues if you guys were down on that.
Maybe Steve Jordan style, cause seriously. Steve Jordan is amazing.

[Brandon Strader]

Live drums would make a track like this, so that'd be worth looking into. Metal drummers can usually play lots of styles. xP

Don't offer to bear my children unless you've got a hefty vagina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVUthuJDo7c). :-o

But yeah I could play bass too, and sing!

[Chernabogue]

I have a jazz drumkit VST if you're interested.

[Tuberz McGee]

Brandon droppin in with bass and vox! YES!
I heard your DoD track and I think it would fit the style to have highly improvised vocals.
If Rexy wants to sing too, then yeah. That would be rad-tastic.

But yeah, I think I could possibly mic the kit. (getting a new $3000 kit soon anyway. :DDD)
Just grab my bro some brushes (I'll call it a 'gift') and slap some mics on.
An SM57 overhead and a RODE NT2-A 5 to 10 meters in front or something.

What are your thoughts on that?

[Brandon Strader]

Only 2 mics? Lamesville! You need somethin with a bit more punch than that! If you're getting a 3k kit might as well drop $100 on a cheapo 5-piece set of drum mics, bwahaha

[Tuberz McGee]

I prefer a more natural sound.
And Chernabogue, that might be EXACTLY what we need.
What's everyone elses' thought on this opportunity?
Besides, we had probably best take this to PM rather than clutter the thread.
/Hypocrite

[Chernabogue]

And Chernabogue, that might be EXACTLY what we need.

I'd be happy to make the drum prog part of this collab.

[Wiesty]

If you guys are interested I'll record the drums live. I've been looking at doing something for this project, and this seems like a cool collab. I mainly play a lot of jazz and blues for drums anyways.

[Mirby]

I've got a friend who's good at scat singing and I'm not too bad either; that's more jazz, but it could work for blues too, I guess.

And I could write the lyrics too, if you really want me to.

[Tuberz McGee]

Well, Weisty...Chernabogue. Now this is hard.
I have to say No to someone. It's unfortunate. With guitars there's always space...
But drums are sorta on their own.

I'll talk to the other guys. Sorry, I'll have to say No to someone though.
And Mirby, if you want to help with Vocals and lyrics that would be cool. :D
Bluesy vocals are more improvised than dead on anyway.

Love you all. <3 This community is the best community.

[Brandon Strader]

Let Wiesty play live drums for it, Chernabogue still needs to finish his awesome arrangement for FF2. Seriously he's missed like 7 WIP dates. :-D

[Tuberz McGee]

Sweet. I'll PM him immediately.
Then I'll grab your skypes or whatevs.

[Prophecy]

I really love the way you guys have taken initiative. Tuberz, since you seem to be organizing the collab, could you tell me exactly who is going to be doing what so I can put you guys down for it?

[Tuberz McGee]

Excellent. Yeah. I was gonna try get a WIP together first but okay.
Mirby: Lyrics/Scatty Vocals (Looking forward to those! :D)
Brandon Strader: Sick nasty guitar leads and some bass. Vocals too!
Rexy: Piano/Keys laying the groovitational pull. (Not sure if she wants to sing or not though)
Wiesty: Percussion and Organ (Gonna be freeeaaaking awesome)
Tuberz: meh i do guitar and vocals whatevs

Hope that helps man. We might just have a rad direction for it too! :D

[SPEED and HONOR]

I would like to join if it's possible, I would like to make a dance/electronic version for either "Blackjack" or "Serpent Trench" theme :) I can claim a track for 2 weeks if I do a wip? You can expect me to get something here in 5 days, either of those, one only probably : )

In case I do something else to fill in later on, the track I'd also fill in for would be "Grand Finale?" and I'd love to make it a collaboration, with anyone who wants to make it electronic/upbeat, or anything cool sounding, I mean the original rocks :D

[Prophecy]

I would like to join if it's possible, I would like to make a dance/electronic version for either "Blackjack" or "Serpent Trench" theme :) I can claim a track for 2 weeks if I do a wip? You can expect me to get something here in 5 days, either of those, one only probably : )

In case I do something else to fill in later on, the track I'd also fill in for would be "Grand Finale?" and I'd love to make it a collaboration, with anyone who wants to make it electronic/upbeat, or anything cool sounding, I mean the original rocks :D

If you claim a track now, you'll have until 3/15 to produce a wip. Of any of those tracks you mentioned, do you want to make a claim?

[SPEED and HONOR]

I had some thinking about which I should do. And I had a big change of plans. :D

Well all three of those tracks would sound great, I've had a small thought about which fits the best in more dancy styles, which is probably "Serpent Trench" because of the more obvious chordings.

"Blackjack" is a little more challenging but also seems like a feasible track, I wanted to remix even without the project, so I might do it later on. :)

And "Grand Finale?" is frightening to consider putting as a 4x4 dance track, it's very complicated and seems to be very hard to mix right, seems like impossible to put through a decent mix on that one without crushing the BPM device on my daw and it directly provokes my skills so...

I made my choice, "Grand Finale?" it is :grin: you can put me down for it.

In case anyone wants to collaborate on the other 2 tracks, I'd be willing to help but I'll stay with this one. Makes things more clear :D thank you

Update: the mix I've done the main rhythm, I'll have to continue after the 3rd of march though, no computer till then :)

[Metal Man]

Wazzup with this project ?:)

I decided not to continue my work for this project because I do not know when I'll finish it, it's on pause at the moment and will remain until, well I don't know when. Just gonna submit to the normal OCR when it's done I guess, and maybe for the bonus disc if this project isn't released.

[Prophecy]

Seems a lot of people could use a little more time. So, every track due today gets another two weeks.

I'll update the tracklist tonight with all the changes.

[Tuberz McGee]

Fantastic! Can do.
Also, on top of all of my other insane mixes.
Would there be any chance of me also taking Coin Song?
...
My god I have a deathwish.

[Metal Man]

I see that this project has quite a few wips.
What's up ?

[Rockos]

I'm still in. I'd like to see this even if there is already another project. They couldn't be identical ^^.

[pu_freak]

Rexy, Prophecy, is still project still going? It's been quite some months since you last updated

[Tuberz McGee]

Yeah, I'm sorta wondering the same. D:

[Wiesty]

My guess is this project kinda got the death sentence with the official oc remix one in the works. We could stil continue this and either release it independently or wait a long time to release it here....

[pu_freak]

I guess I'll just sub my mix to OCR as a non-project mix then

[Chernabogue]

My guess is this project kinda got the death sentence with the official oc remix one in the works. We could stil continue this and either release it independently or wait a long time to release it here....
That's my guess too, but I'd have liked to hear news from Jason or Bev. :-?