Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Theory of Nonexistence]

SI, es muy muy scarce. The team of elite undercover hampsters that I've hired are turning up nothing. I'm wondering about the efficiency of hiring them...

Dude, you're still on hampsters? I switched over to ferrets YEARS ago. Much more efficient.

[Alpine Flame]

So, what you're saying is... you entirely skipped Guinea pigs? Wow... you must be bathing in munnies if you can hire ferrets... wow... I am awed.

[Neo Samus]

No way. Rabbits are the best. Espically the dwarf rabbits. So nimble so quick. Ok we need to get on to some sort of topic....quickly.

[chrono26]

Ok we need to get on to some sort of topic....quickly.

quickly? ok how bout....HEALTH RECOVERY! what sort of extra health items will there be in brawl!?! how bout rations from MGS, or a wing repair thing from Star Fox!?! or maybe....a skip sandwich...DELUXE! so you could get your % down and move super fast too. like the bunny wabbit ears.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

potion ftw

[Drack]

As long as it's a RED potion.

None of this blue potion Castlevania-style nonsense.

[The Mutericator]

I vote... huh. Energy Tank for 100% recovery, Heart Container for full recovery, Maxim Tomato for 50% recovery (Kirby usually had six hits), get rid of food entirely, Skip Sandwich Deluxe for full health revocery and bunny hood effect (awesome idea thar, Chrono26). Actual Poison Mushrooms that do actual damage in large amounts (20%+), unlike the Poison Mushrooms that make you smaller.

Spider Ball lets you run on walls temporarily - use it to hide under the stage for a while, but if you stay too long, you get stuck. The Mirror Shield pickup temporarily deflects energy projectiles (I.E. Samus' Charge Beam, but not her missiles), Bomblings replace or are added without replacing bombombs, and have the ability to walk up walls (meaning no hiding behind low barriers bombombs can't cross), Kirby's Jet ability returns to augment jump power (but not speed), the "Sleepy" enemies from Kirby Superstar that, upon being touched, will make your character fall asleep temporarily, P-Wing lets you jump infinitely (again, temporary).

Please, someone continue.

[dsx100]

They could add the hook or claw shot as an item. It could allow players to grap enemies from a distance and they could also use for recovery purposes. The energy tank idea to recover 100% damage was really cool. How about the POW (power item) from Excitetruck. Players will temporarily be faster, stronger, and more durable but not invincible. It should also be a rare and very short lasting item. What do you guys think.

[!Nekko!]

What I wouldn't mind they do with the super smash attack items is make it so you acquire so many, say 3, before you can do the Super Smash Attack. Somewhat reminiscent of gauges found in other fighting games. At least at that point you'll have earned it and, by requiring 3, it won't happen too often. Obviously disable-able.

[linkspast]

Or Missing# from Pokemon, where when you pick it up it messes up the controls, for instance up would be a R or something completely random.

[Neo Samus]

They could add the hook or claw shot as an item. It could allow players to grap enemies from a distance and they could also use for recovery purposes. The energy tank idea to recover 100% damage was really cool. How about the POW (power item) from Excitetruck. Players will temporarily be faster, stronger, and more durable but not invincible. It should also be a rare and very short lasting item. What do you guys think.


Oh, how about the "!" icon from Excite Truck? You grab it and alters the playing field, or launches your opponents into the air?

[BigBoss]

how about the pow block

you throw is and everything dies

[Zup]

how about the pow block

you throw is and everything dies

HOW ABOUYT A NUCLUR WEPON EVERONE DIES!!!111 NUCLER RADIATON KILS MOR TO!

[HideousBeing]

how about the pow block

you throw is and everything dies
They already had a POW block in SSB on the Mushroom Kingdom stage.
Here are my suggestions:
1. The Bug-catching Net from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/BugCatchingNet.png
It would be used as a weapon like the bat, parasol, star rod, beam sword, fan, Lip's stick, and home run bat. It could also be said to be from Animal Crossing which is even more likely.
2. Bullet Bills from the Mario series.
They would be used as a throwing weapon like shells, and Bo-Bombs. Except, you would throw them, and they wouldn't fall over time. They would just keep on going at a constant rate until they collide with something (upon which they would either explode or just deal damage and keep going) , collide with the terrain, or exit the playable area.
3. Question Mark Mushrooms from the Battle Mode on Super Mario Bros 3. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/QuestionMarkMushroom.png
They would do just what they do in the game: switch you with your opponent, or a random one of your opponents. They could also use the Warp Block from the Mario Party series, which does the same thing.
4. Watermelons from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Watermelon.gif
Any character could pick up a watermelon, which they would then proceed to swallow. They could shoot the watermelon seeds out of their mouth with limited charges like the ray gun and superscope. Press the throw button or combo to spit out the watermelon.
5. I already posted this, but the Kuribo's shoe from Super Mario Bros 3. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/KuribosShoe.gif
This renders your character unable to move in any way but hopping. You could give small hops to walk across the ground, or large hops to try to deal damage. Landing on a foe's head would cause heavy damage like the Hammer. The downside would be the inability to do anything else but hop. Can't attack, throw- just hop. Oh, and you would lose it right away like in the game if you took damage. It would make the original sound effect too, when you lose it.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

Or Missing# from Pokemon, where when you pick it up it messes up the controls, for instance up would be a R or something completely random.

I seriously doubt they would put a glitch from another game into SSB :p It wasn't even meant to be part of the game. But I have to agree, it would make a pretty awesome item...I'm just curious as to what it would look like. Just like a mosaic-censored looking thing?

[HideousBeing]

Wouldn't it be weird if they accomadated underwater combat in Smash? There would be stages where characters could fall into a pond, swim around, and would have an arsenal of attacks or version of the midair ones underwater. Certain attacks wouldn't work like Din's Fire, and Fire Breath. BTW, I wish that on Brawl, if he's included, Bowser would be able to blow fire further, or just straight- not downward. It would be so much cooler if he blew fireballs like in the first Super Mario Bros. Also, it should make it so if you're holding a Bomb with Link, and you press Down B (or the equivalent), he just sets it down on the ground. That has always since the first Zelda game been Link's move with Bombs- throwing came later. It would be a cool and a great help if Link could set Bombs like he has been able to in all of his games.

[chrono26]

THE THREAD IS ALIVE!!!!

i like the energy tank, bug net, potion and kuribo's show ideas. how bout mario's cape, eventhough he used it as an attack. you could fly with it. or the racoon tail. or maybe the flute to cause some sort of tornado attack.

[Antipode]

4. Watermelons from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Watermelon.gif
Any character could pick up a watermelon, which they would then proceed to swallow. They could shoot the watermelon seeds out of their mouth with limited charges like the ray gun and superscope. Press the throw button or combo to spit out the watermelon.


Bahaha, this may be one of the worst ideas I have yet heard.

[Red Shadow]

It would be a cool and a great help if Link could set Bombs like he has been able to in all of his games.

try pressing z

[HideousBeing]

Bahaha, this may be one of the worst ideas I have yet heard.
It made me laught to think of it. Imagine Mario with his cheeks bloated, spitting watermelon seeds viciously. btw, have you played Yoshi's island? That is how they're used in the game.

[Wipomatic]

It made me laught to think of it. Imagine Mario with his cheeks bloated, spitting watermelon seeds viciously. btw, have you played Yoshi's island? That is how they're used in the game.
It's how they're used by Yoshi, one of his main attacks is swallowing things and then spitting them out. With the exception of Kirby, I can't really picture any of the other characters plausibly doing it.

[Penfold]

Oh, how about the "!" icon from Excite Truck? You grab it and alters the playing field, or launches your opponents into the air?

That would actually be pretty cool IMO.

[The Mutericator]

They already had a POW block in SSB on the Mushroom Kingdom stage.
Here are my suggestions:
1. The Bug-catching Net from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/BugCatchingNet.png
It would be used as a weapon like the bat, parasol, star rod, beam sword, fan, Lip's stick, and home run bat. It could also be said to be from Animal Crossing which is even more likely.
2. Bullet Bills from the Mario series.
They would be used as a throwing weapon like shells, and Bo-Bombs. Except, you would throw them, and they wouldn't fall over time. They would just keep on going at a constant rate until they collide with something (upon which they would either explode or just deal damage and keep going) , collide with the terrain, or exit the playable area.
3. Question Mark Mushrooms from the Battle Mode on Super Mario Bros 3. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/QuestionMarkMushroom.png
They would do just what they do in the game: switch you with your opponent, or a random one of your opponents. They could also use the Warp Block from the Mario Party series, which does the same thing.
4. Watermelons from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Watermelon.gif
Any character could pick up a watermelon, which they would then proceed to swallow. They could shoot the watermelon seeds out of their mouth with limited charges like the ray gun and superscope. Press the throw button or combo to spit out the watermelon.
5. I already posted this, but the Kuribo's shoe from Super Mario Bros 3. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/KuribosShoe.gif
This renders your character unable to move in any way but hopping. You could give small hops to walk across the ground, or large hops to try to deal damage. Landing on a foe's head would cause heavy damage like the Hammer. The downside would be the inability to do anything else but hop. Can't attack, throw- just hop. Oh, and you would lose it right away like in the game if you took damage. It would make the original sound effect too, when you lose it.

I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I saw "Bug-Catching Net" was using it a la Mario's Cape - reflect any projectile, just like it could reflect Aghanim's energy spheres in LttP.

Bullet Bills are effectively thrown versions of Samus' missiles minus slowdown? I like this idea. Mentioning Green Shells and Bombombs gave me the idea of having an item that acted like a Green Shell - slide along the ground and bounce off walls - that blows up only when it makes contact with an opponent or another bomb item (better yet, it doesn't get blown up, it just gets thrown in the air... and when it lands, it keeps going!).

Question Mark Mushrooms + Team Attack On = Hilarity.

Watermelon... eh. I'd be okay if they added it as one of Yoshi's moves, though. Really short range, hopefully.

Kuribo's Shoe = WIN.

[Lotd2242]

Two words: Tanooki suit.

[HideousBeing]

try pressing z
z does not set bombs. The only way a bomb can lay on the ground is if it is knocked out of a characters hands when they are holding it on ground, or if the bombs are thrown upwards, where the peak of their assent is practically laying on another platform. If a bomb has hardly any downward speed, it will explode on contact with terrain.

[Antipode]

It made me laught to think of it. Imagine Mario with his cheeks bloated, spitting watermelon seeds viciously. btw, have you played Yoshi's island? That is how they're used in the game.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite games, but honestly. Yoshi, sure, but imagine Link or Marth or something. I mean, that's just ridiculous.

[HideousBeing]

Yeah, it's one of my favorite games, but honestly. Yoshi, sure, but imagine Link or Marth or something. I mean, that's just ridiculous.Sure, it's rediculous, but I can see it happening. I just wonder how they would make Samus (normal suit, not Zero Suit) and Samus Kirby do it.

That reminds me- remember how in the original SSB, when someone took electrical damage, their skin became a skeleton? (Samus was the exception, she just appeared as a poor model of a woman with no constructive coloring.) Anyway, I wish they would put that back into Brawl. It would be more difficult, because graphics expectations would now demand a 3-D skeleton instead of a skin, but it would still be cool. Not to mention, they could make Samus appear more realistic when being electricuted.

[FuriousFure]

Sure, it's rediculous, but I can see it happening. I just wonder how they would make Samus (normal suit, not Zero Suit) and Samus Kirby do it.

That reminds me- remember how in the original SSB, when someone took electrical damage, their skin became a skeleton? (Samus was the exception, she just appeared as a poor model of a woman with no constructive coloring.) Anyway, I wish they would put that back into Brawl. It would be more difficult, because graphics expectations would now demand a 3-D skeleton instead of a skin, but it would still be cool. Not to mention, they could make Samus appear more realistic when being electricuted.

sounds like someone likes samus a bit too much :P

jk. i like these ideas. more SSB (n64) in the newer ones is a good idea in my book. Link's stage with tornados? yes! Unique entrances? yes! skeletons? yes! real Ray gun? yesss! warp pipes? yep! Old pokemon stage? maybe...

[HideousBeing]

sounds like someone likes samus a bit too much :P

jk. i like these ideas. more SSB (n64) in the newer ones is a good idea in my book. Link's stage with tornados? yes! Unique entrances? yes! skeletons? yes! real Ray gun? yesss! warp pipes? yep! Old pokemon stage? maybe...
Yes. I was quite upset when I realized that the Past Stages would not include Hyrule Castle. That was always my fav one. Oh, and you all know how on SSBM, you cannot willfully Star Finish yourself by say, being Falco, donning a Bunny Hood, climbing to the top of Hyrule Temple, and jumping as high as possible? Well, on SSB, you could. If you played as Kirby on Hyrule Castle, climbed to the top platform, and flew as high as you could, finishing the sequence with Final Cutter, you would Star Finish yourself.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

In my opinion, they picked the worst possible stages for the past stages. I mean, DK Jungle, and Yoshi Island? I never played those level when I had the choice. I always played the Pokemon level, the Mushroom Kingdom level (with the kickass warp pipes), and Hyrule Castle.I hope at least one of these are redone and put into Brawl :p

[Mr.Roboto]

Hopefully Pokefloat's makes it in there.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

I found Pokefloats pretty annoying.Actually I found all four of those secret levels annoying. The UFO in Fourside, the way the stage spins in Brinstar Depths, just the shape squirtle and some of those floats in pokefloats, and pretty much the way the level's played in Big Blue. They're still on my random select though because they can make some interesting battes.

[friendlyHunter]

Sure, it's rediculous, but I can see it happening. I just wonder how they would make Samus (normal suit, not Zero Suit) and Samus Kirby do it.

*item fanfare* Watermelon Beam Acquired. Press A to fire seeds.

Link could use his seed shooter from the GBA Oracle of Something game. Pit could shoot the seeds out of his magic bow thing somehow. And Wario - wait, maybe I won't say that one.


And I totally agree, the choice of SSB stages in Melee was very poor. The only thing wrong with Hyrule Castle I think was that you didn't get a kill if you hit your opponent into a tornado to kill them. And the tornados were a little annoying - but they could've nerfed them, or just gotten rid of them in Melee. Oh well... The MK level was great fun, but they probably decided against it because there were already two other 8-bit NES Mario levels. Pokefloats was just bad, and I think the Kraid level and bonus F-Zero one are a little too annoying (especially when the camera doesn't pan low enough to actually see where you want to land, which is most of the time).

It looks like the Brawl stages, with all their destructableness and such, have a ton of potential. I'm sure they'll come up with stuff as good as/better than SSB's, and specifically suited to Brawl's style of play.

[BigBoss]

I just really hope that whatever the 'Final Destination' map of this game is, it ha a much better song playing for BGM.

[friendlyHunter]

I just really hope that whatever the 'Final Destination' map of this game is, it ha a much better song playing for BGM.

I don't think it's possible to have a song that's not much better than that one. Eh, I shouldn't say that, it's not that bad... it's just an "oh no I got this crappy song stuck in my head" kind of song, and, not good. At all.

Bleh, just ignore my ramblings ^^

[Theory of Nonexistence]

I thought the final destination song was pretty cool. In fact I liked all 3-4 of the original tracks in game. Especially the trophy tussle one :p

[linkspast]

I just really hope that whatever the 'Final Destination' map of this game is, it ha a much better song playing for BGM.

Nobuo... Is he doing only the main theme?

[BigBoss]

He said 'he'd love to do more if they asked.'

[HideousBeing]

*item fanfare* Watermelon Beam Acquired. Press A to fire seeds..A good suggestion, that would totally work.

Link could use his seed shooter from the GBA Oracle of Something game. Pit could shoot the seeds out of his magic bow thing somehow. And Wario - wait, maybe I won't say that one.lol, love that last part.

And I totally agree, the choice of SSB stages in Melee was very poor. The only thing wrong with Hyrule Castle I think was that you didn't get a kill if you hit your opponent into a tornado to kill them. And the tornados were a little annoying - but they could've nerfed them, or just gotten rid of them in Melee. Oh well...If the Tornadoes were removed, that would make the stage even cooler- it would be considered another Neutral Stage.

[dsx100]

I don't really like nuetral stages but I guess they are needed for serious competitive play. I hope they add classic stages form melee in Brawl. Mute City, Yoshi's Island, and Pokemon stadium were my favorites.

I know this is kind of off topic but does it bother anyone else that they decided to contiue to use Samus's Super Metroid design. I personally think her design from MP2,MPH, MP3 is much cooler and more modern. Not to mention the armor actually looks metallic.

[Ray Falling]

I'd love to see them just make some sort of "retro mode" where you play the old SSB :)
They could either polish up the stages or make them all retro like N64 and have the Wii-character models for contrast.

[linkspast]

it be cool if you could Unlock an 8bit and 16bit modes.

[HideousBeing]

I don't really like nuetral stages but I guess they are needed for serious competitive play. I hope they add classic stages form melee in Brawl. Mute City, Yoshi's Island, and Pokemon stadium were my favorites.

I know this is kind of off topic but does it bother anyone else that they decided to contiue to use Samus's Super Metroid design. I personally think her design from MP2,MPH, MP3 is much cooler and more modern. Not to mention the armor actually looks metallic.It doesn't bother me, but I wouldn't mind if they made her grapple beam shot with her grapple beam gun on Brawl. On Super Metroid, the grapple beam comes out of her gun, but on MP, she has an alternate gun for the purpose. It wouldn't bother me if she was either way.

[chrono26]

I'd love to see them just make some sort of "retro mode" where you play the old SSB :)
They could either polish up the stages or make them all retro like N64 and have the Wii-character models for contrast.

thats not a bad idea at all. i like the 8bit and 16bit idea too. could be really funny seeing snake in 3Dish 8bit. and maybe game and watch would be some kinda of smooth 3D version instead. that would be worth some laughs

[Dark Chocobo]

If Game and Watch ever grabbed the metal box, it was a pretty cool thing to see. He would fatten out a little, go all 3D and turn all shiny, like a spoon. Try it sometime if you haven't yet.

[HideousBeing]

If Game and Watch ever grabbed the metal box, it was a pretty cool thing to see. He would fatten out a little, go all 3D and turn all shiny, like a spoon. Try it sometime if you haven't yet.
If Kirby swallows Game&Watch, and then grabs a metal box, you have metal Kirby with a distinct gray outline from all directions.

[FuriousFure]

those tornados were my fav part! (power of them included) it really upped the suspense just like the pokemon on top of the whatever building. just imagine, you and you buddys are duking it out right on top of the middle building. the door opens up, you know that a pokemon IS coming out, but is it going to be a chancy or is it going to be a venasaur? who knows? POW out comes a porygon.

[HideousBeing]

I was just thinking, it would be cool if they put Ashei from Twilight Princess in Brawl. She looks like a real cool character- she's got a sword, real nice looking armor, and alluring body language. She hardly does anything in the game though, so it would be nice to see her have an array of moves in a game like Brawl. What do you guys think?

[BigBoss]

She hardly does anything in the game though,


'Nuff said.

[Broken]

those tornados were my fav part! (power of them included) it really upped the suspense just like the pokemon on top of the whatever building. just imagine, you and you buddys are duking it out right on top of the middle building. the door opens up, you know that a pokemon IS coming out, but is it going to be a chancy or is it going to be a venasaur? who knows? POW out comes a porygon.

Ah, the gold old days of original SSB. The tornadoes were pretty awesome. Actually, I loved all the environmental hazards in that game because they usually had warnings and were more easy to plan for, therefore they were great for chucking unwary opponents into.

[HideousBeing]

'Nuff said.
As in yes, she should be in Brawl, or no she shouldn't? Recall that Fox, Sheik, and Captain Falcon have few or no moves that each borrows from an original game.

[Wipomatic]

As in yes, she should be in Brawl, or no she shouldn't? Recall that Fox, Sheik, and Captain Falcon have few or no moves that each borrows from an original game.
They may not have many moves, but what I think BigBoss was getting at was that she's barely in game meaning she's not important enough to be put into SSBB.

[Ferret]

I was just thinking, it would be cool if they put Ashei from Twilight Princess in Brawl. She looks like a real cool character- she's got a sword, real nice looking armor, and alluring body language. She hardly does anything in the game though, so it would be nice to see her have an array of moves in a game like Brawl. What do you guys think?

We're more likely to see Krystal as a Sheik clone than an NPC who only serves to drive the story along and let you get to the next dungeon. Jeaze. Jeaze. Jeaze. And her haircut is disturbing. Either sweep it all back or let the bangs cover your entire forehead already!

Hell, I'd be more willing to wager that there'd be a Goomba as a playable character than Ashei. Though more likely they'll both be trophies you can get (if indeed trophies are implemented again this time around.)

[HideousBeing]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Zero Suit Samus resembles Nova from the "postponed" StarCraft: Ghost?
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Nova.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Samus.jpg

[atmuh]

no and your sig is frackin long
fix it

[HideousBeing]

no and your sig is frackin long
fix it
What's wrong with a long sig? I thought the tall ones were the annoying ones.

[Hellcom]

What's wrong with a long sig? I thought the tall ones were the annoying ones.

Not everyone has 1900x1200 screen resolution.

[MaxFrost]

yeah, about half the width of your current sig would be awesome...I'm stuck webbing at a resolution of 1024 atm on my laptop...my desktop is outta commission at the moment :/

[Penfold]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Zero Suit Samus resembles Nova from the "postponed" StarCraft: Ghost?

I recall Starcraft: Ghost being cancelled completely, not just postponed...then again, maybe I'm just thinking of the Gamecube version.

EDIT: oh yeah, quotes...

[Murmeli Walan]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Zero Suit Samus resembles Nova from the "postponed" StarCraft: Ghost?
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Nova.jpg http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/HideousBeing/Samus.jpg

Hmmmm. Well, Zero Suit Samus is, of course, based on the same costume Samus wore near the end of Metroid: Zero Mission for the GBA, but the similarities between the two are noticeable. Just a coincidence, I suppose.

Off topic from the post, I'll have to agree with everyone else and ask you to please alter your sig so it doesn't stretch out the screen for me and others.

[CE]

A little water... A little fertilizer...

What online modes do you think the game will have? How custom will it be? Just stock? Stock and time? Coin? Special? Even more? Completely custom damage settings and items settings?

GROW MY CHILD! GROOOOOOOOOOOOW!

[The Mutericator]

Hmmmm. Well, Zero Suit Samus is, of course, based on the same costume Samus wore near the end of Metroid: Zero Mission for the GBA, but the similarities between the two are noticeable. Just a coincidence, I suppose.

Off topic from the post, I'll have to agree with everyone else and ask you to please alter your sig so it doesn't stretch out the screen for me and others.

So long as we're pointing out similarities, it's been noticed before that the version of Zero Suit Samus from Zero Mission (different hairstyle) looks remarkably like Winry from Full Metal Alchemist. Just noting.

[Cerrax]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Nova from the "postponed" StarCraft: Ghost resembles Zero Suit Samus ?

Fixed.

10 char yar:P

[dsx100]

What online modes do you think the game will have? How custom will it be? Just stock? Stock and time? Coin? Special? Even more? Completely custom damage settings and items settings?


I think they would allow that kind (match type length, items, handicap, score display etc.) of customization when playing with your friends. For random matches against random people, porbably not. I just guessing on that based on the on-line play for Mario Kart DS and Metriod Prime Hunters and from what I have read on how Mario Strikers Charged will work. I personally hope thay add a least a little customization options for random play because I don't have many friends.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

So has anyone else been able to preorder/reserve a copy of this yet? My EB Games still won't let me.

[HideousBeing]

Sorry all. Fixed now. I should have known, my screen has relatively high resolution and is quite wide. *smacks self up head* So, it occurred to me that when watching the first trailer for Brawl, that as each character is shown shifting from Melee to Brawl appearance, that Pikachu and Kirby don't change at all.

[atmuh]

A little water... A little fertilizer...

What online modes do you think the game will have? How custom will it be? Just stock? Stock and time? Coin? Special? Even more? Completely custom damage settings and items settings?

GROW MY CHILD! GROOOOOOOOOOOOW!

I would certainly hope it ended up like Metroid Prime: Hunters where you could do whatever the heck you wanted.

other than that I've been rather unimpressed at all other attempts by nintendo at internets games

edit HAHAHA watch it be like MKDS where you can just play default settings which in smash is TIME!!!

[Red Shadow]

Sorry all. Fixed now. I should have known, my screen has relatively high resolution and is quite wide. *smacks self up head* So, it occurred to me that when watching the first trailer for Brawl, that as each character is shown shifting from Melee to Brawl appearance, that Pikachu and Kirby don't change at all.
pikachu does a little bit

kirby's reaction is funny, though

[HideousBeing]

pikachu does a little bit
Is it his eyes?
kirby's reaction is funny, though
Yeah, he's like, "What? What a gyp!"

[The Mutericator]

Is it his eyes?

Pikachu's fur changes a little bit, it gets a bit lighter and more... realistic, you might say.

[HideousBeing]

Anyone think its possible that Nintendo makes a SSB game for the DS?

[atmuh]

Anyone think its possible that Nintendo makes a SSB game for the DS?

for the love of god no

[JoeFu]

I don't think they will, but I would be all for it.

[Darklink42]

for the love of god no

I'm in complete agreement. If they did, it'd likely end as a port of the first SSB, or an even worse spin off, similar to Mortal Kombat.

[FuriousFure]

for the love of god no

you crazy? oh em gee. a Ds SSB game would be a amazing. hell, im not talking about some kind of Port or whatever. what i have envisioned is something of amazingness.

A 2D/ pseudo 3D game. smash bros in its simplest is 2D, so why not have the characters be in 2D also? what im seeing is completely unique animations and sprites. same moves...
a - attack
b - special attack
x - jump
y - jump

R - Bubble
L - Taunt

R+A - Grab/throw

items can be the same. it would be the same mechanics but just smooshed into a pixelated 2D enviroment. as for the 2 screens. it could show you how much each player has in hit percentage and also show you what weapons are being held and maybe what the score tally is.

it would work out perfectly. wifi connections and Online? beautiful!!!

[HideousBeing]

you crazy? oh em gee. a Ds SSB game would be a amazing. hell, im not talking about some kind of Port or whatever. what i have envisioned is something of amazingness.

A 2D/ pseudo 3D game. smash bros in its simplest is 2D, so why not have the characters be in 2D also? what im seeing is completely unique animations and sprites. same moves...
a - attack
b - special attack
x - jump
y - jump

R - Bubble
L - Taunt

R+A - Grab/throw

items can be the same. it would be the same mechanics but just smooshed into a pixelated 2D enviroment. as for the 2 screens. it could show you how much each player has in hit percentage and also show you what weapons are being held and maybe what the score tally is.

it would work out perfectly. wifi connections and Online? beautiful!!!
Yes, I imagined a 2D game as well. I figured, "why not? SSB is played on a 2D plane anyway." They could just make characters and backgrounds rendered sprites of the model files like they do in the new super mario bros. The second screen for the percentage is a good idea. I find it very annoying when the percentages and stock block the vision of lower level combat. Oh, and of course, they could make it an online game.

[The Mutericator]

I'm in complete agreement. If they did, it'd likely end as a port of the first SSB, or an even worse spin off, similar to Mortal Kombat.

Support your hypothesis. Personally, I think it would be much better than the original, thanks to the DS cartridge ability to store more info than the N64 cart could - so at worst, it could end up having the same graphical quality, but with more characters (not Melee's level, I expect) and stages.

I'm all for it, but I think Sakurai has been asked about it before, and he replied, "Let's not get ahead of ourselves."

[Katsurugi]

Isn't there already two brawler type games for the DS? Jump Superstars and Jump Ultimate Stars or something. So yes, they could make a SSB type game for DS. It would probably be a bit like the N64 version. The Jump series has a ridiculous amount of characters but you can only play as a fraction of them. The others come in the form of helper characters with assists like in MvC1.

I hope they don't though, because that will hurt the reputation of SSB overall. Since it's a console game, you don't have to worry about lag which would severely hinder the overall gaming experience.

[Drack]

SSB kinda needs an analog stick. It would be awkward on DS.

[FuriousFure]

SSB kinda needs an analog stick. It would be awkward on DS.

you know, i don't agree. i think it could work well with a directional pad. its all about how they go about doing it, or about the sensitivity of the pad, being able to distinguish between a smash attack and an attack in a certain direction.

as for the lag, which i'm presume that you're talking about slowdown because the game might be too big to run smoothly the whole time.

although im all for the New super mario bros Look with actual 3D characters, you could actually have the graphical style be more like Mario Party Advance. (thats what i envisioned originally when i thought of SSB on the gameboy) so complete 2D but improve the image clarity and smoosh the possibilty of slowdown.

but i think the DS cart could handle Pseudo 3D or just 2D, but have it be the original 12 but maybe polished up. balance it up again, so it wouldn't be just a port but it would be a game rebuilt.

[Hellcom]

The DS already has a SSB type game, Jump Super/Ultimate Stars. It hosts much of the same gameplay of SSB, but instead of Nintendo characters its Jump Manga characters such as Naurto, Bleach, DBZ, Death Note, Eyeshield 21, etc... Not just that, its pretty import friendly, which I can testify to as I own Ultimate.

Also, a new interview is out that reveals there should around 40 characters and mentions new additions and removals:

He confirmed that the following characters will appear in the new Smash Bros.

Bowser Jr.
Ridley, the famous enemy of Samus.
Wind Waker Link.

And certain characters will disappear:

Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Young Link.

...

[Sakurai] finally affirmed that the total number of characters should approach forty, leaving place for about fifteen new ones and one or two 3rd party characters.
http://nexgenwars.com/gaming_news/166/SSBB-roster-update.

Edit: I fell for a prank, nevermind.

[dsx100]

What is wrong with a SSB for DS. There is nothing wrong with porting a game series traditonal being on consoles to handhelds. It has been done tons of times with Mario, Zelda, Sonic, Mario Kart, and Metroid series and they have produced great games (New Super Mario Bros., Metroid Zero Mission anyone). Even a port of the N64 version would even be fine with me because I personally find the original still very fun (can't wait till it comes to virtual console). I would prefer a new game though. 3d or 2d doesn't matter to me though 2d would probably have alot more characters. The DS has enough buttons, the graphic capabilities, and fan base for a SSB game so why not. If it turns out bad (which I doubt) just don't buy it. They don't even need to add touch screen features just like Mario Kart DS.

PS: This thing that SSB needs an analog stick is BS. It would probably be alot easier to do smash attacks with a D-pad.

[The Mutericator]

The DS already has a SSB type game, Jump Super/Ultimate Stars. It hosts much of the same gameplay of SSB, but instead of Nintendo characters its Jump Manga characters such as Naurto, Bleach, DBZ, Death Note, Eyeshield 21, etc... Not just that, its pretty import friendly, which I can testify to as I own Ultimate.

Also, a new interview is out that reveals there should around 40 characters and mentions new additions and removals:

http://nexgenwars.com/gaming_news/166/SSBB-roster-update.

Edit: I fell for a prank, nevermind.

An ancient prank, at that. This is from like June of last year.

[HideousBeing]

I always thought it would be cool if one of the Nintendo executive directors was included as a secret character or maybe trophy in Brawl. They could put in Masahiro Sakurai himself, Satoru Iwata, Nobuo Uematsu, or my personal favorite, Shigeru Miyamoto. I have no idea what the move set of any of these would be like, but it would be a cool thing to add I thought.

[atmuh]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
why one earth would i wanna be some japanese human dude
i mean thanks for makin the game but STAY OUT

[Brushfire]

Ol' Shiggy was in a Mega 64 Skit recently. It was pretty funny.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

I wonder where the team is in development of this game right about now...

[Brushfire]

Prolly just about finishing that 12th character model.

[The Mutericator]

Prolly just about finishing that 12th character model.

Gotta make sure Samus' cleavage looks juuuuuust right.

[chrono26]

i'd like to think that the game has been finished for sometime and now they're just putting a crap-load of finishing touches and doing a whole lot of polishing so it looks BAD-ASS.

[Neo Samus]

I just want so info. I'm freaking dying over here!!

[Theory of Nonexistence]

I just want so info. I'm freaking dying over here!!

You're not the only one...

[HideousBeing]

It just occurred to me today as I was playing Melee, Luigi can actually constructively damage someone with his Fighter Stance by wavedashing and performing it. He can easily finish the move before he stops sliding. I tried it, it's awesome. Anyone ever use this? It would be quite humiliating to be knocked over like that.

[Mikey Lenetia]

Hope you guys don't mind me dropping in a few times. I like to keep updated, after all. ^_^

[Neo Samus]

If Sonic does become a playable character, what do you think his move list might consist of? I had an idea for a grab, if you push down+A, he does a Spin dash for Massive damage (pun intended)

[Broken]

It just occurred to me today as I was playing Melee, Luigi can actually constructively damage someone with his Fighter Stance by wavedashing and performing it. He can easily finish the move before he stops sliding. I tried it, it's awesome. Anyone ever use this? It would be quite humiliating to be knocked over like that.

Luigi's taunt is one of the more difficult and more humiliating spikes in the game. Just kick someone as they return to the stage.

taun spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUAVplDAcLQ)

[RealFolkBlues]

His specials probably wouldn't be all that hard to figure out. I'm thinking up+b is the homing strike and has good horizontal return possibilities, his forward+b is a quick dash like Fox, his neutral b is a charge up like Yoshi, and the down b is less certain. Maybe that should be his homing strike and the up b something else? Hmm.

Other than that, I imagine his Hyper would be something akin to Chipp's Destroy move in GGXX (super fast strikes from all directions culminating with some kind of pose.)

[chrono26]

Luigi's taunt is one of the more difficult and more humiliating spikes in the game. Just kick someone as they return to the stage.

taun spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUAVplDAcLQ)

hahahahaha "ROFL". nice

[dsx100]

What if Sonic's super samsh special (hyper, or whatever everyone else calls it) would be him turning to Super Sonic for a short period of time. I think that would be pretty cool but thats just me.


PS: If anyone knows of some good gaming merchandise websites please post them in my thread titled "Good Gaming Merchandise sites" in the Help and Newbies section.

[bouncerboy15]

Luigi's taunt is one of the more difficult and more humiliating spikes in the game. Just kick someone as they return to the stage.

taun spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUAVplDAcLQ)
Haha, nice. I should try that out in a match someday.

[Red Shadow]

His specials probably wouldn't be all that hard to figure out. I'm thinking up+b is the homing strike and has good horizontal return possibilities,
so long as it functions much like pikachu's dash
his forward+b is a quick dash like Fox,
sure. perhaps he gains the fire shield from s3 for a quick dash?
his neutral b is a charge up like Yoshi,
i'm thinking more like jigglypuff where he is stationary until you release
and the down b is less certain. Maybe that should be his homing strike and the up b something else? Hmm.
keeping with the s3 theme on this one too, how about the bubble shield?

[HideousBeing]

Luigi's taunt is one of the more difficult and more humiliating spikes in the game. Just kick someone as they return to the stage.

taun spike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUAVplDAcLQ)

Wow, lol. That was impressive. Of course, there were better things he could have used in that situation. Probably staged- it's so easy to see it coming.

[Red Shadow]

One can divine from the little info panel on the right that he was fighting a bot. Super predictable.

[HideousBeing]

One can divine from the little info panel on the right that he was fighting a bot. Super predictable.
Yeah, even better than having a helper.

[Lacour]

The only character i'm looking forward to using on this game is Metaknight! plus the new combo moves will give the game a much broader aspect and will make it more playable. Other then that i'm glad that Nobuo Uematsu is doing the score because the music at the beginning is tight!

[Theory of Nonexistence]

I'm lookin forward to playing as Zero Suit Samus so I can kick ass and be hawt at the same time :3

[Murmeli Walan]

Other then that i'm glad that Nobuo Uematsu is doing the score because the music at the beginning is tight!

Not to burst your bubble, but from the way I see it, Uematsu is only contributing that one song. But it also sounds like he'd be open to doing more, so here's to hoping.

[linkspast]

Wow this thread is still alive, despite the dry run of info since when... the wii`s launch?

[FuriousFure]

Wow this thread is still alive, despite the dry run of info since when... the wii`s launch?

yep, we make the news up in hypothetical situations. its our only release.

personally, im looking forward to wario. i just hope they make more references to his past even tho its the warioware wario, which technically is the normal wario (according to the gba warioware)

mostly his greed and some of his moves from the warioland games maybe even a bucket to put on peoples heads.

[dsx100]

personally, im looking forward to wario. i just hope they make more references to his past even tho its the warioware wario, which technically is the normal wario (according to the gba warioware)

mostly his greed and some of his moves from the warioland games maybe even a bucket to put on peoples heads.

I completely agree. I would love to see some of his Wario Land moves like the tackle. Maybe he can utilize a bucket somehow too.

[HideousBeing]

I completely agree. I would love to see some of his Wario Land moves like the tackle. Maybe he can utilize a bucket somehow too.
Or his bucket could just be an item in the game.

[!Nekko!]

Something new, but not really news.

http://www.1pstart.com/super-smash-bros-feels-very-complete-to-kojima/

[Neo Samus]

Would you mind posting a bit of it on the forum? I work's network is blocking that site.

[atmuh]

Kojima says the game is basically "complete"
on nintendos calendar that means we'll see it by summer 08

[!Nekko!]

Heres the article.

During the recent Snake Vs. Zombie (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2007/03/10/103,1173504848,68329,0,0.html) event in Japan, Super Smash Bros. director Masahiro Sakurai invited Metal Gear Solid director Hideo Kojima to a quick game of Super Smash Bros. on the Wii.


In the match, Karai played as Mario, while Kojima played as Snake (of course). Kojima said in a recent podcast the game feels “very complete” and “a lot of fun” and could be released tomorrow with Nintendo selling millions of copies of Super Smash Bros.


It’s good to hear Kojima enjoyed his time with Smash Bros., especially with the way Snake played. I was concerned that Snake’s fighting mechanics might not work out too well in Smash Bros., but this latest report has got my hopes up that Snake might actually be a contender.



Doesn't really tell us about when the games going to be released or anything, but at least it seems like it's coming along nicely. Just a small drizzle in a drought of SSB news.

[dsx100]

Apparently Nintendo still plans on releasing SSBB this year, at least in Japan. IGN has 2 articles up that support this.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/784/784665p1.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/784/784065p1.html

So far, I have high hopes that it will ship sometime this year. More and more evidence keeps poping up at various gamesites that support this. I guess we will have to wait a little longer (probably until E3) for more info.

[Scufo]

Haven't they been saying 2007 for like, ever? I figured it'd be holiday season 2007 since Brawl's announcement, though I could see it being pushed back to spring of '08.

[FuriousFure]

Haven't they been saying 2007 for like, ever? I figured it'd be holiday season 2007 since Brawl's announcement, though I could see it being pushed back to spring of '08.

naw, they need thus and galaxy for the holiday season to make the trouncing complete!

[wormguy]

Nintendo fans might riot if Brawl isn't out by the end of summer. There has been a severe drought of good Wii games. If it wasn't for Zelda I would be severely disappointed by the current lineup.

[Jam Stunna]

Hey, if you live in CT, then check out the tourney at my school. Nothing big, but it'll be fun:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=2343012#post2343012

[Broken]

This is clever SSB PSX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBDqTCL3bM&mode=related&search=)

This is just too funny SSBM NES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8sd5dJDfKU&mode=related&search). Could be cool, though.

And, by the way, does anyone know where to find SSB sheet music?

[Theory of Nonexistence]

This is just too funny SSBM NES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8sd5dJDfKU&mode=related&search). Could be cool, though.


would've been better if it showed some gameplay :p That shouldn't even be on youtube, it wasn't a video. It should be a ytmnd.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

Well, EBGames is saying that it ships 9 - 01- 07. This may have been said before, but I don't remember it.



Yeah, that pretty much sucks if it's accurate...no summer brawl.

[FuriousFure]

Well, EBGames is saying that it ships 9 - 01- 07. This may have been said before, but I don't remember it.



Yeah, that pretty much sucks if it's accurate...no summer brawl.



if its true, i guess by now we should just be thankful its coming out this year, not '08

[Thalzon]

Ten days before my birthday? Fuck yeah. *crosses fingers*

[atmuh]

don't bother with game retailer release dates

DATE AND PRICE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
I used to work at a place, I know how it goes.

and they never change to sooner, only later

[Scufo]

This man speaks truth.

Really, we shouldn't rule out an '08 release.

[wormguy]

Didn't they say the game was almost complete and they were just tweaking it?

I should hope that won't take until '08. Jeez.

Also, I was watching the Nintendo World trailer and I noticed again that the levels all look kind of like static platforms with moving backgrounds, which would be uber-lame. I'm hoping that we see some of the cool level design from Melee return, because so far I'm unimpressed.

It's one of those things that could make or break the game.

[Cerrax]

They need to add some stuff like DOA where you can knock people over objects and off of platforms. I mean yeah Smash Bros already kind of does this, but I'm thinking to a much more interactive method. Like in DOA, if you slam someone up against a fallen tree, they don't just bounce off of it, they trip over it fly head-over-heels over to the other side. And if you knock someone down a staircase, they don't just fall over and then stand back up, they fall and then roll and/or trip/fall all the way down the staircase. And there's a lot of breakable stuff. Throwing someone into a pile of crates sends splinters everywhere.

I think the one thing that Smash Bros hasn't really touched on is this kind of environmental interactivity. Judging by what has been shown in the trailers, the only new ineraction with the environment is breaking platforms and changing night into day and vice versa.

[The Mutericator]

Personally, I hope they fix the character inability to grab the edge when facing the other way. I'm not a tourneyfag balance-focused player, so I can't really see how it would make or break a game, but it drives me nuts that I'm easily close enough to the edge, but my character won't grab it because he's facing the other way for whatever reason (MARIO'S CAPE).

[BigBoss]

I'm hoping that we see some of the cool level design from Melee return, because so far I'm unimpressed.

Yeah 'cause if we don't have cool moving levels, we won't be able to ban them in tourneys and force players to use a flat static level with a moving background.

[Broken]

Personally, I hope they fix the character inability to grab the edge when facing the other way. I'm not a tourneyfag balance-focused player, so I can't really see how it would make or break a game, but it drives me nuts that I'm easily close enough to the edge, but my character won't grab it because he's facing the other way for whatever reason (MARIO'S CAPE).

You don't have to be a tourneyfag like me to realize that it would look dumb a shit if you could grab the edge backwards. Now granted Melee doesn't have the most realistic physics or anything, but the game has to have some semblance of rules.

[Cerrax]

Personally, I hope they fix the character inability to grab the edge when facing the other way. I'm not a tourneyfag balance-focused player, so I can't really see how it would make or break a game, but it drives me nuts that I'm easily close enough to the edge, but my character won't grab it because he's facing the other way for whatever reason (MARIO'S CAPE).

I'm pretty sure if they wanted to change that, they would have done it in Melee. Plus you said yourself that Mario's cape causes you to miss the edge. Maybe that's why they left out the ability grab the edge backwards. And IRL its not terribly easy to grab and hang onto a ledge when you are facing the wrong way.

[The Mutericator]

You don't have to be a tourneyfag like me to realize that it would look dumb a shit if you could grab the edge backwards. Now granted Melee doesn't have the most realistic physics or anything, but the game has to have some semblance of rules.

But you still aren't giving me a real, balance-related reason that you shouldn't be able to grab the edge from behind you. I can't think of a single character incapable of having an animation of swinging one arm behind them, grabbing the edge, and pulling themselves around to face it. Or, God forbid, turning around in midair before grabbing it.

I'm pretty sure if they wanted to change that, they would have done it in Melee. Plus you said yourself that Mario's cape causes you to miss the edge. Maybe that's why they left out the ability grab the edge backwards. And IRL its not terribly easy to grab a ledge when you are facing the wrong way.

Mario's cape is one of the easier things to be an edgeguarding ass with. If they left it out because of the cape, I'm willing to trust their game balancing, but to be honest, that seems to me like a really tiny reason to do something as game-altering as not letting you grab the edge behind you.

IRL it's not easy to do a lot of the things Melee characters do, like shooting a Super Scope behind your back. That's not really a great defense.

[linkspast]

IRL it's not easy to do a lot of the things Melee characters do, like shooting a Super Scope behind your back. That's not really a great defense.

Or double jumping... believe me..

[Cerrax]

Mario's cape is one of the easier things to be an edgeguarding ass with. If they left it out because of the cape, I'm willing to trust their game balancing, but to be honest, that seems to me like a really tiny reason to do something as game-altering as not letting you grab the edge behind you.

I'm not saying Mario's cape is the only reason, I was just using an example. How often do you find yourself facing the wrong way anway? It rarely happens to me. Sure it wuld be nice on a stage like Corneria, where I could jump backwards and grab the tail fin to haul myself up, but is itreally that hard to just turn around first? I can't recall any time wher I specifically couldn't turn around in time to catch the edge properly. I'm not saying its never happened, but I don't think it is something that happenes often enough for it to change.

[The Mutericator]

I'm not saying Mario's cape is the only reason, I was just using an example. How often do you find yourself facing the wrong way anway? It rarely happens to me. Sure it wuld be nice on a stage like Corneria, where I could jump backwards and grab the tail fin to haul myself up, but is itreally that hard to just turn around first? I can't recall any time wher I specifically couldn't turn around in time to catch the edge properly. I'm not saying its never happened, but I don't think it is something that happenes often enough for it to change.

To be honest, it seems to happen to me more often as Falcon than any other character, and I'm not sure why. Ness' skyscraper stage (the one with the UFO... I think it's Fourside) has those two buildings on the right side, where it seems to happen more than on any other stage - save yourself using an up+B move to get over an edgeguarder, but then you don't have enough umph to get to the ledge on the center building, so instead you take the plunge because the game won't let you grab the left edge on the right building.

Definitely doesn't happen every match, but it's certainly an annoyance I'd like to see fixed.

EDIT: In response to the whole "moving stage" thing, I completely agree. Big Blue, despite its hecticness, is one of my all-time favorites (on the other hand, Brinstar and Brinstar Depths certainly aren't. Please let Samus' stages not suck this time...). Also, bring back Hyrule Castle and Temple as past stages. Just sayin'.

[Broken]

one thing you can do to turn around in midair is press up and in the opposite direction you are facing. Then do a neutral b move like mario's fireball and you will turn around in midair. That is a check that the creators put in the game against facing the wrong direction.

Also, you mentioned fourside being a difficult level to return to after being knocked between the two buildings on the right side of the stage. I think Falcon can jump off of walls like mario, so you should wall jump as your primary means of returning. Save your up-B if you know you're opponent is waiting for it and just remember that Falcon and Ganon's up-B are easy as crap to read. You have to be very creative to out smart a good edge guarding character with them.

If you want to be a jerk to whomever you play against, be Peach. Kill them once on fourside, then jump inbetween the two buildings on the right side of the stage and wall bomb it until the forfiet or time runs out

[wormguy]

Yeah 'cause if we don't have cool moving levels, we won't be able to ban them in tourneys and force players to use a flat static level with a moving background.

Touche.

Still, I couldn't help but notice how blatantly obvious it looked on Metaknight's level in the trailer that only the background was moving. It looked pretty terrible.

I mean, at least Final Destination looked like it had continuity.

[Broken]

Doesn't one of the levels have cars that come into the foreground that can hit you? Or is that just a bg movie, too?

[Neo Samus]

That's the Mario Kart Stage. It looks like you are on stationary platforms on a certain section of the stage and the shyguys drive around the track.

[Jam Stunna]

So I just hosted my first tournament last Thursday at my school. Nothing big, so we had 28 people show up. It was cool, but damn I didn't know it took so much work to run a tournament! From setting up to announcing matches and running the bracket to breaking down, I was exhausted by the end of the day. But it was a great experience, and I hope to learn from it and start hosting bigger events in the future.

[Broken]

So I just hosted my first tournament last Thursday at my school. Nothing big, so we had 28 people show up. It was cool, but damn I didn't know it took so much work to run a tournament! From setting up to announcing matches and running the bracket to breaking down, I was exhausted by the end of the day. But it was a great experience, and I hope to learn from it and start hosting bigger events in the future.

I feel your pain, man. I've hosted a tournament before and it is a lot of work. Congrats on holding your first tournament, though. 28 us a pretty solid number. Did you participate as well? If so, how did you do?

Did you have good bracket creation software or did you do yours by hand? I used tourney maker for my competition and it made things much easier. If you'd like it, just pm me or something.

[HideousBeing]

Since certain characters jumps keep them spinning, they can grab the edge when facing the wrong way. Link or Bowser are an example. So I think it would be nice if those character who are disadvantaged by this should be allowed to grab a ledge backwards.
Also, it would be nice if Luigi could sweetspot with his SmashB, and if airdodges didn't have such horrible lag for grabbing the ledge. I mean, you should be able to airdodge into a ledge to sweetspot it, as an alternative to your return UpB. This would especially help Zelda and Yoshi. Zelda, because it's always a risk to do Farore's Wind, it being so easily punishable with its high lag. Yoshi, because he doesn't have a third jump.

[Jam Stunna]

I feel your pain, man. I've hosted a tournament before and it is a lot of work. Congrats on holding your first tournament, though. 28 us a pretty solid number. Did you participate as well? If so, how did you do?

Did you have good bracket creation software or did you do yours by hand? I used tourney maker for my competition and it made things much easier. If you'd like it, just pm me or something.

Yeah, I participated as well. I managed to come in second:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=103416

Hartford, CT Tournament Results

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Singles

1. Nus
2. Jam Stunna
3. Xeno
4. Erci
5. Luis
5. Beware
7. Devlo
7. Bosnian
9. Jaime
9. Hollywood
9. Ray
9. Mrs. Groovy
13. EJA
13. ATC
13. Oreo
13. Steve
17. J Easy
17. Vicious
17. Toxic
17. Juan
17. Kyle
17. Ace
17. Bogdan
17. Everton
25. Juan 2
25. Mey
25. Anthany
25. Franchise

I sent Nus to the loser's bracket when we played earlier in the tournament, but he got his revenge in the finals. I used Tournament Maker 2, and it definitely did help, because there's no way I could do a double-elimination bracket by hand. It was alot of fun, definitely.

[Broken]

Cool stuff. It's good that you have braket software. And great job getting second.

I got like 8th at my own tourney....Lost first to a really good falcon, then later to a nub ICs.

Hideous, I'd have to agree with what you said about making it easier to sweet spot with the air dodge of certain characters. Yoshi and Zelda are at a major disadvantage because of that. I don't know about Luigi being allowed to sweet spot with his foward b, though. It seems fair enough to have one unlimited horizontal recovery (fwd-B) and one single use upward one (upB) and that is aside form his air dodge and air jump.

I'm still not sure about beimg able to grab a ledge backwards. I haven't been reading much at Smashboards lately or anything, but it just seems like a bad idea.

Kind of like the Ice Climbers (OOHHH, BURN!)

[Jam Stunna]

Cool stuff. It's good that you have braket software. And great job getting second.

I got like 8th at my own tourney....Lost first to a really good falcon, then later to a nub ICs.



Yeah, Nus used Falco, which is one of the characters I have the greatest difficulty against. I use the IC, but it's hard to chaingrab a character that can shine you right out of a shield grab. Oh well, we'll see how I do next time.

[!Nekko!]

http://www.smashbros.com/

6 more days until something!

These countdown sites seem to be the flavor of the week. Blizzard and Fallout are two big ones I know off the top of my head.

[Neo Samus]

It better be good!!

[Thalzon]

This just might be the longest 6 days of my life.

[linkspast]

They'll announce another character. Luigi. or some one we assumed we were getting.

[atmuh]

They'll announce another character. Luigi. or some one we assumed we were getting.

either that or another delay
dont be a bunch of 5 year olds and get happy over this
it will be nothing

[JoeFu]

I'll be happy with another trailer, which is what I think we are getting.

[ILLiterate]

I hope they announce the release date already

When they do we'll start hosting tournaments at the nearby EB Games next to my house. Since my friend is the manager, we'd be able to do this to promote preordering of the game

[TheCatPhysician]

either that or another delay
dont be a bunch of 5 year olds and get happy over this
it will be nothing

eh, you're just setting your expectations low so that you wont be dissapointed but might be surprised. good strategy, but it's almost guaranteed that something will happen because recently sakurai said something along the lines of "it's time that i should release some new information"

and this was just after kojima got to play it and said it's already completel enough to be released and sell well

and now a few days after all that was said there's this giant countdown on the site.

dude, come on. just admit you're freaking excited

[The Author]

Site launch in 6 days, game released in 7...

That would be a shocker.

[The Mutericator]

either that or another delay
dont be a bunch of 5 year olds and get happy over this
it will be nothing

$20 says you're wrong. If they were delaying, they'd come right out and say it.

My bet's on another trailer or a summer release.

[linkspast]

Site launch in 6 days, game released in 7...

That would be a shocker.

It tick me off. I am going to Buy a wii only when this game comes out. no sooner.

[!Nekko!]

Shit, at this point, ANYTHING new will make me happy.

[watkinzez]

Donkey Kong is the only franchise that hasn't shown up at all yet. Give the monkey some love, Nintendo.

[chrono26]

Shit, at this point, ANYTHING new will make me happy.

true that.

i'd really like them to give some info about the control scheme though.

[!Nekko!]

Donkey Kong is the only franchise that hasn't shown up at all yet. Give the monkey some love, Nintendo.

Didn't they start taking him out of Mario Party games as a playable character?

[Dexie]

Donkey Kong is the only franchise that hasn't shown up at all yet. Give the monkey some love, Nintendo.

Fire Emblem, F-Zero, and Earthbound?

[megadave]

If this game doesn't have Wart as a playable character, then I am going to crawl into a corner and listen to My Chemical Romance.

[Neo Samus]

If this Smash truely (but doubtfully) has Ridley as a playable character or just as a boss, I will personally find Masahiro Sakurai and kiss him on the lips. But realistically a new gameplay trailer with new stages shown.

[dsx100]

I am hoping that will reveal more characters. I am also hoping they won't announce a suddenly soon release date especially if it is before June 25. Nintendo already said Pokemon is going to be the first on-line game for Wii which is coming out on June 25 and if Brawl released before then, that would mean no on-line play which would royaly suck in my opinion.

[Toadofsky]

I highly doubt Nintendo is dumb enough to miss out on a Smash Bros. with online play, but then again, how long did it take them to put an effort and interest in online play?

There's little doubt to me that it won't have online play.

[watkinzez]

Fire Emblem, F-Zero, and Earthbound?

See, I knew that would happen. Sure was in a thinking mood yesterday.

[TheCatPhysician]

ONE MORE DAY

also nintendo.com says it's a major update

[Theory of Nonexistence]

soo, less than 24 hours? Anyone know around what time this is supposed to be up?

[TheCatPhysician]

Should be 8am pacific time

also check this out: http://nintendrone.blog.com/

this guy got an interview with someone from nintendo

* Players will be able to choose from multiple control options. Main focus is on GC controller, and Nintendo is currently considering redistribution of them. (Good, I can’t find wavebirds anywhere. I hope this means I can just use the remote and nunchuck, he wouldn’t say.)
* No motion-sensitive controls in main game. (Does that mean mini-games etc. will?)
* Game will feature no more than 50 characters. (Gee, thanks a lot. I didn’t know that already </sarcasm>)
* “Since there’s a huge fan-demand for online play, the game will almost definitely feature it. That’s the plan. We pay a lot more attention to the fans than you would think, and we think it would be pretty dumb to ignore it. What’s funny is if we had never addressed the rumor, people wouldn’t be so expectant of it as they are.” (Thank god, hopefully an end to the “This better be online or I’m not buying it” stuff.)
* They wouldn’t tell me any new specific characters. (Just thought I’d get that in there.)
* “Fans will be extremely pleased with the quality and number of characters we’ve brought around, as we made this very much a fan-desire project. There won’t be anymore ‘clones’ (just thought I should mention, he did the finger quote thing, and I literally lol’d) either. There are definitely characters that will be huge surprises too, one of which happens to be my absolute favorite.” (Thanks for the cliffhanger. Wait…so no more clones? What about…)
* Not all characters will return. The original smash bros. will. (Oh…bye Roy (one of my mains.))
* Alternate Costumes/Color Schemes will be included. (Hot sauce. I’ll take white Zora Link please.)
* No comment on third parties. (Damn you.)
* The game has been made “more balanced”. (Cool. No more tiers? Ummm…idk if I like this yet.)
* No comment on N64 like intros. (lol)
* No comment on “advanced techniques”. (I’m mediocre at that stuff anyway, so, I’m neutral on this.)
* There will be new items, and some have been taken out. (Bob-ombs confirmed, don’t worry.)
* Super Smash Attacks are not immediately activated, can be reserved. (Well, now that I think about it…duh.)
* Adventure mode will be much larger, classic mode will be featured. (No word on if chars. Would have individual stories)
* Will include more game modes, some from N64 will return. (Due to popular demand, apparently.)
* Events will be included. (I love those things, so to me it’s awesome.)
* This game is scheduled to release this year. (My guess is Fall.)
* No comment on shoot the credits.



interesting

no more clones eh?

[Jam Stunna]

Hm, I'm a little dissapointed by the fact that they're taking some characters out. I don't mind the clones, I actually like some of them. I hope they just take some characters like C. Falcon and Gdorf and re-design them.

[Airwalker]

I wouldn't mind it at all if they pulled out a lot of the old cast. I want a new game with new characters. In fact, the more they pull out, the more they can focus on brand new characters you know and love.

:puppyeyes: Really, they can do anything.... I just wanna play it.

[Ninja-san]

Far off hope but im hoping they redesigned fox. I really dont like his new look at all. He's like a cat or something now.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

No clones.

And we already know fox will be in it.

So no falco

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

[chrono26]

they said no more clones, they didnt necessarily say that they were getting rid of the charecters that happened to be clones. they could redesign them or something. i dont think they'll get rid of all the charecters that were clones, just some of em maybe.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

they said no more clones, they didnt necessarily say that they were getting rid of the charecters that happened to be clones. they could redesign them or something. i dont think they'll get rid of all the charecters that were clones, just some of em maybe.

I don't care about the characters; it's the move sets! Fox and Falco are the two best characters in the game. One of them is effectively getting the ax.

[Chickenwarlord]

I don't care about the characters; it's the move sets! Fox and Falco are the two best characters in the game. One of them is effectively getting the ax.
You're playing it wrong if you believe this to be true. They're just the easiest (besides Marth) to be decent with.

[Ciel]

they said no more clones, they didnt necessarily say that they were getting rid of the charecters that happened to be clones. they could redesign them or something. i dont think they'll get rid of all the charecters that were clones, just some of em maybe.

Yes, it could simply be that the characters that were previously clones are getting their own individual move sets and play styles. I can't see them cutting something as easy to implement as clones when it would do little but irritate fans of those characters.

[ILLiterate]

No Falco = me sad, it must not happen

[Red Shadow]

ness is my priority fellas

i think by this point, with the way the earthbound cult is, nintendo would be afraid to leave him out

[Antipode]

No Falco = me sad, it must not happen

Again, as people are mentioning, they probably aren't going to GET RID of falco, just give him new moves. New moves for Ganondorf makes me very happy. I hope they don't change Capt. Falcon too much - I think if they made his side-B more powerful and his recovery time slightly faster, he would be amazing (he's the one I use all the time in Melee).

Anyway, it doesn't matter how good or bad of a character Wario is, because he's the only character I'm going to use in this game.

[KWarp]

Holding my breath for Sonic.

Any thoughts on LAN multiplayer?

[JoeFu]

I wouldn't take an online blog as a credible source. I'll just wait for tomorrow.

[Ninja-san]

So when is the site gonna open?

[Theory of Nonexistence]

So when is the site gonna open?

Should be 8am pacific time


:)

damn10char

[Tael]

The site doesn't say anything about it opening at midnight in Japan. It could be any time on the 22nd.

[Scufo]

Damn, 11:00 AM Eastern time, then. Two more hours...

[The Mutericator]

Again, as people are mentioning, they probably aren't going to GET RID of falco, just give him new moves. New moves for Ganondorf makes me very happy. I hope they don't change Capt. Falcon too much - I think if they made his side-B more powerful and his recovery time slightly faster, he would be amazing (he's the one I use all the time in Melee).

Anyway, it doesn't matter how good or bad of a character Wario is, because he's the only character I'm going to use in this game.

PLEASE DEAR GOD GIVE GANNYPOO HIS SWORD!

Oh, and don't tie yourself to one character - I told myself Link was the only one I'd use in Melee, but he isn't even one of my mains anymore (just Pink Samus, Wedding Marth, and Fancy Falcon).

[Geoffrey Taucer]

You're playing it wrong if you believe this to be true. They're just the easiest (besides Marth) to be decent with.

No, they're among the hardest; they're definitely among the most technical characters in the game, and the two that require the fastest and most precise fingers to master.

I don't play either one of them; I main Doc. Fox is one of my three secondaries. But go to smashboards and check the tier list; there's widespread agreement in the smash community that Fox and Falco are the two best characters in the game.

[The Mutericator]

Fifteen minutes left...

Better play the Song of Double Time.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Do we know if the english and japanese site are launching at the same time?

[G_D]

Don't forget, the other way they could handle Fox/Falco is to make them alternate "costumes".

7 minutes left...

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Don't forget, the other way they could handle Fox/Falco is to make them alternate "costumes".

7 minutes left...

The fact remains that either there will be somebody who is the equavalent of SSBM's fox or there will be somebody who is the equivalent of SSBM's falco, but not both.

Same with Falcon/Ganondorf.

Same with Mario/Doc (though I won't be surprised if they make Mario more like SSBM Doc -- which would be fine with me).

[Wipomatic]

Do we know if the english and japanese site are launching at the same time?
They fucking better.

[Dark Chocobo]

Huh. They must be updating now, the countdown image is broken.

All should be revealed soon...

[The Mutericator]

They fucking better.

As if it matters? We can figure it all out from any pics and videos they put up on the Japanese site, and even if we can't, the news sites like Joystiq and Kotaku will surely have someone with it translated in minutes detailing everything.

I'm getting a box with a red dot in Firefox, because the image isn't there or has too many requests for it... anyone see anything yet?

EDIT:
STARTING TODAY!
(Japan Time)

Whatever the fuck that means. They'd better not wait until later today to bring it up... what time is it in Japan right now?

[Dark Chocobo]

...what the crap?!?

http://www.smashbros.com/img/22.jpg

What the hell does THAT mean?

[Geoffrey Taucer]

It's exactly the same screen except it says "Starting Today" where it said "1 Day to Launch"

[G_D]

It's 12:05am in Japan. I'm assuming we're supposed to wait *another* day. :(

[The Mutericator]

It's 12:05am in Japan. I'm assuming we're supposed to wait *another* day. :(

I give it six hours before I check again. Then six more at 10pm, because then it will be noon over there and the site definitely will have launched by then.

Japan's standard work hours are 9a-5p, right? Maybe we should check back in nine hours...

[Wipomatic]

:banghead: I've been F5ing that site for TWO HOURS. That's how little a life I have.

[Dark Chocobo]

It's 12:05am in Japan. I'm assuming we're supposed to wait *another* day. :(

Well, it says "today", so I can only assume we have to wait a few more hours.

[Neo Samus]

I heard from other forums that the site launch won't be until noon japan time. So it would be 11 pm EDT, 10 CDT and 9 PDT.

[atmuh]

hahahahahhahahaha
way to go nintendo
start your countdown for a blog
a BLOG
have fun reading that every day kiddies

[Dark Chocobo]

hahahahahhahahaha
way to go nintendo
start your countdown for a blog
a BLOG
have fun reading that every day kiddies

....and there's something bad about a developer's blog, which will be an easy way of getting news and info about the game to the public without having to go through news sites?

[Dexie]

hahahahahhahahaha
way to go nintendo
start your countdown for a blog
a BLOG
have fun reading that every day kiddies

eh? where's it say it's a blog?

[!Nekko!]

Nooooo, they're going to announce a delay. Duh, Atmuh said so.

[Neo Samus]

Atmuh is not serious, is he? Is the site still at "starts today"? I really hate sarcasm on the web....

[The Mutericator]

hahahahahhahahaha
way to go nintendo
start your countdown for a blog
a BLOG
have fun reading that every day kiddies

Stop trolling, it's getting old.

[Neo Samus]

Thanks Pzykotikfreak. I was pretty sure he was full of crap, but since I'm at work, I"m unable to view the site.

The Suspense is killing me though.....

[TheCatPhysician]

hahahahahhahahaha
way to go nintendo
start your countdown for a blog
a BLOG
have fun reading that every day kiddies

its only cool when evilhead does it

[Arek the Absolute]

atma you suck at trolling fyi afk
how much fucking longer will this take
STARTING TODAY
well then open the shit up then

[TheCatPhysician]

hey look, the next trailer has been uploaded this whole time! someone on smashboards found the url:

http://www.smashbros.com/en/trailers/t_ssb_brawl_3.html (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7sK3AqFYAWQ)

omg i dont want to spoil any of it

[Geoffrey Taucer]

hey look, the next trailer has been uploaded this whole time! someone on smashboards found the url:

http://www.smashbros.com/en/trailers/t_ssb_brawl_3.html (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7sK3AqFYAWQ)

omg i dont want to spoil any of it

You fail at rickrolling.

EDIT: wow, I never realized before how much that song sounds like Robo's Theme.

[atmuh]

eh? where's it say it's a blog?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/21/brawl-countdown-reveals-nothing-nintendo-power-picks-up-slack/


and i want this game as much as anyone but im entirely sick of nintendos way of announcing things

[Final_metroid]

According to google, its around 5 am japan time right now, but release was supposed to be @ midnight, im not believing its a crappy blog, until I see a crappy blog

[Neo Samus]

Seeing your link to Joysiq gives me even more reason to believe that the Blog is bullshit (nothing against you). Joysiq is such BS, but of course so is most forms of Media.

[atmuh]

i read joytiq a ton
it is usually right
and the link from joytiq
is to a nintendo power
which im pretty sure is nintendo

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p50/ben_X_02/HPIM0452.jpg

it is from that lil 5/22 thing you can see on the bottom there

[atmuh]

ok wait a tic
they might actually be doing something right

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159669

says big info dump later
hold onto your butts

[Neo Samus]

Damn work server....What does the 1up article say? Could you paraphrase it?

[DeathBySpoon]

All it says is that there's a Brawl "info dump" today.

[!Nekko!]

Heres the article for those who can't access it.

We now know when you'll be playing the Next Big Wii Game (tm), as Nintendo has officially announced their summer lineup and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3141680) has a release date of August 20, now less than three months away. Folks, start your pre-orders.

We also now know Mario Strikers Charged (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3153073) is ready for a July 30 release and Battalion Wars 2 (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3153074%27%20title=) is set for September. Good news all around, but simply a prelude to the info. dump of Super Smash Bros. Brawl (http://www.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3141681) that's coming later today -- stay tuned for that.


Then it lists the release date of a bunch of unrelated games.

[Neo Samus]

Thanks Nekko!

[dsx100]

I can't wait till the site is up. I seriously hope it isn't anything stupid like a blog. I am thinking the site will be up around 8:00 or 9:00 pm mountain time. Hopefully I'm right and I will be looking at some new brawl info before the end of the day.

[!Nekko!]

No prob.

When do you people think Nintendo they release N64 Smash on virtual console if they do. Simultaneously, near release, or just completely independent?

I would say at least a week ahead of Brawl being released to create some hype. I would think simultaneously might take some thunder away from brawl (though doubtful), but because theres probably a bigger markup on N64 smash, it might be more profitable for them.

[CE]

People are saying it's a major new trailer, a release date and a blog update daily by Sakurai.

[Final_metroid]

I really dont get it, they said new information would be released 12 AM SHARP. In japan in is now around 7 AM, May 22nd. how can they say info is coming out TODAY then? 12 am already passed, and the ppl in Japan are ahead of us (ppl in the U.S.). Did they mean 12 am of the 23rd?

[atmuh]

I really dont get it, they said new information would be released 12 AM SHARP. In japan in is now around 7 AM, May 22nd. how can they say info is coming out TODAY then? 12 am already passed, and the ppl in Japan are ahead of us (ppl in the U.S.). Did they mean 12 am of the 23rd?

no
people screw up and take longer
it happens


and i do hope nintendo proves i am an idiot
i do
lets hope they do

[KakTheInfected]

Out of curiousity...has it ever been said that we are really getting new info or is this just a site redesign?

[atmuh]

Out of curiousity...has it ever been said that we are really getting new info or is this just a site redesign?

no
nothing

except that 1up says there will be a big info dump
only confirmed thing is a blog

[TheCatPhysician]

it's supposed to launch this afternoon for japan, so that means like 11pm eastern time

[Geoffrey Taucer]

We really don't know when it's going to launch; if it's going to launch "today by japan time," that means it could be any time between now and 11:00 AM EST tomorrow.

[TheCatPhysician]

yeah, but it's unlikely that they'll wait till late at night japan time though because it says "afternoon."

btw afternoon in japan starts in about 49 minutes and that's the most likely time that they will do it

[Theory of Nonexistence]

15 minutes until noon :D

[The Mutericator]

Please please please please come on oh come on oh COME ON GODDAMMIT!

[Dark Chocobo]

3 minutes until noon. :D

[TheCatPhysician]

FRICK

one minute past noon and nothing

[The Mutericator]

FRICK

one minute past noon and nothing

Fuck this, I'll get up tomorrow morning and check it instead. I'm too tired to stay up waiting for this.

[Theory of Nonexistence]

haha...I'll give it another 30 minutes...maybe an hour...

[KakTheInfected]

So, how long has the site been down? Hopefully they're putting it up now.

[Ninja-san]

I think the Japanese are toying with us

[Dark Chocobo]

5 minutes after and nada.

WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO US.

*cries in the corner*

EDIT: 250 pages wooooooooooo!

[Strike911]

I wonder what's going on. I'll check back in a few hours. :)

[atmuh]

Nintendo Media Event begins in 12 hrs and 50 mins...long wait confirmed?

there
somethings happening
muuuuuuuch later

[Theory of Nonexistence]

damnit suckthis10char

[TheCatPhysician]

there
somethings happening
muuuuuuuch later

that would be tomorrow, and the countdown is to today

[Neo Samus]

Oh I ge it. It starts at 11:59 pm TODAY (japan time).......

[Theory of Nonexistence]

that would be tomorrow, and the countdown is to today

huh...good point. But only barely, in Japan.

[atmuh]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y245/pricecd/22copy.jpg