Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Theory of N]

Motion sensing control has been confirmed not to be for the main gameplay. That article's nothing more than phony guesswork.

It doesn't say it'll be for main gameplay, it says it's an option so you can use it if you want to so technically it's not going against anything confirmed.

[atmuh]

It doesn't say it'll be for main gameplay, it says it's an option so you can use it if you want to so technically it's not going against anything confirmed.

but it isnt confirmed
its nothing

[Imagist]

Also I'm pretty sure motion-sensing control in the main gameplay was flat-out denied, optional scheme or not. Relegated to menu/potential mini-game status.

[Theory of N]

Also I'm pretty sure motion-sensing control in the main gameplay was flat-out denied, optional scheme or not.

Where did you hear that?

[The Author]

Where did you hear that?


His friend's cousin's neighbour is Japanese and he read it in some Japanese newspaper's wanted ads.

[Imagist]

His friend's cousin's neighbour is Japanese and he read it in some Japanese newspaper's wanted ads.

Says the guy who heard all the latest intel from a Nintendo rep who gave him a free Wii six months ago.

[TheCatPhysician]

yeah the article's fake owned

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=104869

[Theory of N]

yeah the article's fake owned

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=104869

I'm actually glad that's fake...the motion controls were probably going to ruin it.

[The Author]

Says the guy who heard all the latest intel from a Nintendo rep who gave him a free Wii six months ago.


Primary source beats no source at all.

[wormguy]

Now let's hope that Nov. release date is absolutely false.

[Theory of N]

Now let's hope that Nov. release date is absolutely false.

as much as I hope it is, it sounds reasonable. Late 07 release has been rumored for a while, and the official site says "Planned for 2007". It's about as late into 07 you can get w/o missing too many Christmas shopping opportunities.

On the other hand, it's entirely possible they could delay it again.

[ILLiterate]

Hope to god the release date is true so we can start mall tournaments for SSBM

Also the updates are awesome, you're an idiot if you don't think they are

[Zup]

Also the updates are awesome, you're an idiot if you don't think they are

Yes, because anyone without your opinion is obviously of a lesser intelligence.

Not that I don't agree that the updates are awesome, I just think you're a tool for saying that.

[Theory of N]

Also the updates are awesome, you're an idiot if you don't think they are


QFT May be small, but really cool that they're finally releasing new info.

[ILLiterate]

Yes, because anyone without your opinion is obviously of a lesser intelligence.

Not that I don't agree that the updates are awesome, I just think you're a tool for saying that.No one makes anyone check the site for new info, and yet people complain constantly that the info isn't good enough. Nintendo doesn't have to give us anything, but they are and the man is taking time out of his day to type it to us personally in a funny/nice way

So maybe I typed that wrong

The information the site is giving us is good, and if you're complaining about it, you're an idiot

btw: I hope Brawl is online so I can destroy people like Zup

[KakTheInfected]

Updates on Final Smash and Mario's version of it.

[Brushfire]

No one makes anyone check the site for new info, and yet people complain constantly that the info isn't good enough. Nintendo doesn't have to give us anything, but they are and the man is taking time out of his day to type it to us personally in a funny/nice way

So maybe I typed that wrong

The information the site is giving us is good, and if you're complaining about it, you're an idiot

btw: I hope Brawl is online so I can destroy people like Zup

Here, here my good man!!

[Wipomatic]

No one makes anyone check the site for new info, and yet people complain constantly that the info isn't good enough. Nintendo doesn't have to give us anything, but they are and the man is taking time out of his day to type it to us personally in a funny/nice way

So maybe I typed that wrong

The information the site is giving us is good, and if you're complaining about it, you're an idiot

btw: I hope Brawl is online so I can destroy people like Zup

Totally agreed. :)

[The Mutericator]

No one makes anyone check the site for new info, and yet people complain constantly that the info isn't good enough. Nintendo doesn't have to give us anything, but they are and the man is taking time out of his day to type it to us personally in a funny/nice way

So maybe I typed that wrong

The information the site is giving us is good, and if you're complaining about it, you're an idiot

btw: I hope Brawl is online so I can destroy people like Zup

QFTand ten characters

[Sir_NutS]

So final smash is a move that can be excecuted only once...

Though I bet there will be modes in which you will fight in a arena where the final shmash item appears every 5 seconds :p.

Can't wait.

[The Author]

"Smash Fest" mode.

Hmmm.... That would feel like a FF8 GF only game.

[Ninja-san]

So will the final attack vary from solo attack to multiples? Link and Kirby's Final in the trailer attacked only one person but mario's was multiple.
Hope they show more on the finals. Looks like a fun addition.

[LionheartAce]

Seems that way. Honestly it's probably ideal to vary them, it gives all the characters their strengths and weaknesses. I sure wouldn't be happy if every single character had the same moves.

[Theory of N]

cool new update. Won't be long before they run out of old info.

[Neo Samus]

The "final Smash" is almost like a fatality, but no gore. Or.....crap I had more examples but then my mind went blank.....damnit!

[dsx100]

Now that I got more info, I think this fianl smash is extremely cool. I looked ok before but I never understood exactly how it worked until now. I can't wait to see what Meta Knight's and C. Falcon's is. I am sure C. Falcon will be in the game. More screens of Kirby's, Link's, and Wario's Final Smash would be cool too.

[atmuh]

so basically
no supers in tourneys
because no items
im gonna like tourneys more

[Neo Samus]

I wonder if Wario's fart attack is his Final Smash?

[The Author]

I wonder if Wario's fart attack is his Final Smash?

I think I remember hearing it was.

[Neo Samus]

I think I remember hearing it was.

That's what I thought too, but I'd never heard word that was his final smash, I just heard that it was one of his moves.

[The Mutericator]

I think I remember hearing it was.

Yeah, but things change - I think once a developer said that his gastric powers build up as the match progresses until it's fully charged.

[Scufo]

My opinion on Final Smashes is that they're all good and well if they're all similar to Mario's. That is, it should be possible to dodge them, or at least minimize the amount of damage taken from them. It would be horrible, IMO, if some Final Smashes were targetted on a single character, and were unable to be prevented by the target. I don't want to have to watch helplessly as my opponent beats on me in an overly cinematic fashion, all initiated by the push of a button.

I have a feeling that, if some Final Smashes are targetted, you'll have to push buttons repeatedly, or worse, shake the Wiimote, to escape.

This would be terrible.

[friendlyHunter]

The explosion launches out and expands vertically as it travels, so in order to inflict the most damage possible on enemies, it’s best to release this from a slight floating or midair position on either the left or right side of the screen.

Clearly you are able to move around AFTER you get the item but BEFORE you do the move (or at least Mario is). I'd imagine with Link and Kirby, you'd need to physically hunt someone down before you unleash your TERRIBLE FURY- or your, um, cooking pot ^_^
The basic gist of it? I suppose you could say it’s kind of like a powerful and personalized hammer. (Or maybe not…)
That proves my theory 100%. (Or maybe not...)

and only after obtaining an item called the Smash Ball, which is a precious item, indeed.
HOLY CRAP WHY ON EARTH AM I HAVING MAJOR DE JA VU??! Anyway, it calls it an "item", yet it is not in the "items" category on the site. It almost definately won't appear on the normal "Item Select" screen thing, but rather as a completely separate option. Not that I actually care about tournaments or their rules....


I-I… I want it!
Oh, oh, me too! I'm pretty confident they won't screw it up with any "shake the Wiimote" or "push buttons repeatedly" crap.


stab
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

[Ray Falling]

My opinion on Final Smashes is that they're all good and well if they're all similar to Mario's. That is, it should be possible to dodge them, or at least minimize the amount of damage taken from them. It would be horrible, IMO, if some Final Smashes were targetted on a single character, and were unable to be prevented by the target. I don't want to have to watch helplessly as my opponent beats on me in an overly cinematic fashion, all initiated by the push of a button.

I have a feeling that, if some Final Smashes are targetted, you'll have to push buttons repeatedly, or worse, shake the Wiimote, to escape.

This would be terrible.

Well, since it can only be used once (not sure if that means per match or per item obtained) it'll cost ya one life tops.
Maybe some attacks only do massive damage so that even the slightest knock afterwards will send foes flying off screen.

It would be good if you could defend somehow, but that kind of defeats the purpose of uber moves.

Then again...*fox reflector* n_n

[Red Shadow]

lord only knows we need the same exact damned game just with newer characters and better graphics, right guys

i'm quite pleased theyre actually changing things

[friendlyHunter]

lord only knows we need the same exact damned game just with newer characters and better graphics, right guys

i'm quite pleased theyre actually changing things

Totally agreed.


I interpreted "once" as "once per life". So, say, Suited Samus does the move and turns into Zero Suit, right? When she dies, I'm guessing she'll come back as Suited and be able to do the move again; same story for all the other characters.

The only thing I'm woried that they MIGHT screw up is the appearance of the item. Will it go hidden off-screen for minutes like items in Melee that only CPU players can see? Can it appear under your foot as you land like explosive items in Melee? Will it shine blinding rays of light over the entire map and play a catchy theme song? Do do, do do do, do dah dah dooo - um, nevermind.

[Wipomatic]

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9529/iiiwantitud4.jpg


I-I... I want it!

[ILLiterate]

Eh, I'm kind of skeptical on how well Mario's final smash will work, since it's a projectile, it doesn't seem you could combo into it easily like you could with Links

But it's still awesome

[Dexie]

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9529/iiiwantitud4.jpg


I-I... I want it!

...we still need to learn Pikachu's Final Smash, don't we?

[Wipomatic]

...we still need to learn Pikachu's Final Smash, don't we?

Some kind of incredible electric blast I imagine.

[Flaming Wuzzle]

Some kind of incredible electric blast I imagine.

Either Volt Tackle or Thunder...the former, probably, since I'm pretty sure Thunder is one of its attacks already.

[The Author]

Either Volt Tackle or Thunder...the former, probably, since I'm pretty sure Thunder is one of its attacks already.


Iron tail.

[Dexie]

Iron tail.

Pft. Surf!

[Dhsu]

Ha, Surf would be the best Final Smash ever.

[Theory of N]

evolve....

[Murmeli Walan]

evolve....

Evolution to Raichu? I'm down. Surf comes in at second.

[The Author]

How about a supercharged mega thunderbolt that he does once in a while due to a lack of a good idea on how to get rid of team rocket by the writers?

[AarowSwift]

I got a better question. If Jigglypuff is back for Brawl, what would its final Smash attack be?

[Red Shadow]

screw jigglypuff i want to see Ness pull a psi rockin'

oh holy fuck why did i have to imagine this

[friendlyHunter]

uh oh, it looks like Jig- OH NO JIGGLYPUFF DON'T SING, DON- NOO, run! The music notes, they're everywhere! AAAA-
..zzzzzz...


That would be the best move Jigglypuff could possibly have. Of course then they'd need to get rid of her regular singing move, and the resting move too... but those moves both sucked! Everybody wins! =D


[Edit]
screw jigglypuff i want to see Ness pull a psi rockin'

oh holy fuck why did i have to imagine this
"Rockin'"? Well, I suppose it is better than "psi happy". Just think: they could have each Ness player enter the name of the smash move, so it could say it on the screen when you unleash the move. Either that or ness could just say "PK *mumble*" like he does in Melee, and you can pretent it's whatever you want! I still think Ness saying "PK Flash" in Melee sounds exactly like "PK Praust".... I hope he stops saying "PK" too.

[Red Shadow]

rockin' is the first default name for it

come to be the accepted convention for reference in the earthbound fanbase

[atmuh]

rockin' is the first default name for it

come to be the accepted convention for reference in the earthbound fanbase

ah classic
and pu needs to be a characer

[Theory of N]

I got a better question. If Jigglypuff is back for Brawl, what would its final Smash attack be?

...evolve?

[atmuh]

...evolve?

no you idiot he draws on everyones face

[Theory of N]

no you idiot he draws on everyones face

oh, duh. How could I forget about Jigglypuff's Sharpie of Doom?

[Theory of N]

ok, so they're not late this time.

Site update telling you that you can run and jump while firing rapid fire items.

[Dhsu]

So the running this is new, but couldn't you always fire in mid-air?

[Theory of N]

Well, you could begin to fire mid-air but you'd fall directly down where you were. You couldn't jump while firing.

Also, I wonder if this will apply to the fire flower...

[Hum4n After All]

Oh man good times with the Super Scope.
Hopefully they include the Hammer Bros. hammer throwing hammer?
o_O
And the axe at the end of every encounter with Koopa in SMB.
That would be interesting.

[KakTheInfected]

I wonder if you can charge the Super Scope while running. That would be a little...meh.

[Theory of N]

jumping maybe...but running...

that would kind of take away from the balance of the gun. I mean, you hit hard, but you can get hit hard while charging. If they make it to where you can run, you'll just hit hard with the same chances of getting hit normally.

[Dhsu]

Yeah, that's kind of the main thing for charge moves in general.

[Raziellink]

I wonder if you can charge the Super Scope while running. That would be a little...meh.

Kinda cheap? Yeah, either they tone it down, or remove the ability to charge, because this could become a very cheap way of winning.

[Ray Falling]

I don't know, if you run far away to charge and shoot, there will be alot of distance between characters and thus you can easily dodge/block the shot.

Besides, if you're a good player you will A: beat your opponent without getting hit yerself B: get the item before the opponent does or 12: you deflect the attack making the opponent hit himself >_>

I think it's a good change, but I'll agree that charging should require for one to stand still.

[Broken]

Speaking of defelecting attacks; Powershielding, yea or nea?

I thought it was a nice addition to Melee that added an extra level of skill (and sometimes luck) to defensive play.

[Wipomatic]

You can't RUN while shooting.
"This time, though, you can walk and even jump while shooting these weapons!"
It's only walking and jumping.

[KakTheInfected]

Either you're joking or looking into things way too deeply.

[Sir_NutS]

Either you're joking or looking into things way too deeply.
Nah i think he's right. I guess that would balance things a bit, and maybe now those weapons won't do as much damage as before.

[KakTheInfected]

Look at the picture of Wario firing at Mario. He's clearly running.

[Wipomatic]

Look at the picture of Wario firing at Mario. He's clearly running.

No he isn't, and why the hell would the Sakurai say walk if he meant run?

EDIT: Also there's no smoke/dust by his feet which is there when they run.

[Neo Samus]

uh oh, it looks like Jig- OH NO JIGGLYPUFF DON'T SING, DON- NOO, run! The music notes, they're everywhere! AAAA-
..zzzzzz...


That would be the best move Jigglypuff could possibly have. Of course then they'd need to get rid of her regular singing move, and the resting move too... but those moves both sucked! Everybody wins! =D


[Edit]

"Rockin'"? Well, I suppose it is better than "psi happy". Just think: they could have each Ness player enter the name of the smash move, so it could say it on the screen when you unleash the move. Either that or ness could just say "PK *mumble*" like he does in Melee, and you can pretent it's whatever you want! I still think Ness saying "PK Flash" in Melee sounds exactly like "PK Praust".... I hope he stops saying "PK" too.

For some reason, I always thought he said "PK Frost".

[KakTheInfected]

Are you really going to sit there and say it looks like he is walking in that screenshot?

Don't get me wrong, you could be right, but don't act like it's a confirmed fact because you want it to be, especially when Wario is obviously not "walking" in that picture.

[The Mutericator]

Every time someone got the superscope in our group:

"It's like rape. You just gotta let it happen and hope it never happens again."

This could be ten times worse unless they tone it down or make you stand still while charging.

[Wipomatic]

Are you really going to sit there and say it looks like he is walking in that screenshot?

Don't get me wrong, you could be right, but don't act like it's a confirmed fact because you want it to be, especially when Wario is obviously not "walking" in that picture.


Sakurai SAYS walk. How much more confirmed do you want it?

[KakTheInfected]

So if it said "run" instead, that would mean you can't walk? Don't be ridiculous.

If it was confirmed, it would flat out say you cannot run while firing. If you're hellbent on believing he meant walk literally, fine, but don't argue about it when it's in no way confirmed.

[cobaltstarfire]

Just playing devils advocate...but he didn't exactly say you CAN'T run either.

Edit: arrrr, sniped lol.

[Red Shadow]

this is one of the least satisfying arguments i've ever played witness to

especially considering the subject

[Geoffrey Taucer]

This is hands down the dumbest internet debate I've ever seen. And that's saying a lot.

[The Author]

Especially since EVERY STRATEGY has an effective counter.

[cobaltstarfire]

I guess they'll know who's right when the game comes out :3

[CE]

If the dude's, gonna charge up and fire, slam him down first, be a man.

[FuriousFure]

first of all, wario doesn't walk. he waddles. so stillshots of him moving would be hard to interpret.

second, maybe you can move horizontally and you can move vertically but you can't do both at the same time. so it just straight up when you jump so mobility wouldn't be fully reached.

oh yeah, Kak. hmm when a car's top speed is 160 mph its sorta assumed that the car can go from 0-159 mph also. so if he wrote "run" it'd be assumed you could aslo walk because it's necessary to run. so the problem is that when someone says or writes that the character can "walk" its not assumed they could also run.

its the whole all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. also: settle down, gotta watch yer bloodpressure.

[atmuh]

first of all, wario doesn't walk. he waddles. so stillshots of him moving would be hard to interpret.

second, maybe you can move horizontally and you can move vertically but you can't do both at the same time. so it just straight up when you jump so mobility wouldn't be fully reached.

oh yeah, Kak. hmm when a car's top speed is 160 mph its sorta assumed that the car can go from 0-159 mph also. so if he wrote "run" it'd be assumed you could aslo walk because it's necessary to run. so the problem is that when someone says or writes that the character can "walk" its not assumed they could also run.

its the whole all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. also: settle down, gotta watch yer bloodpressure.

i cant believe i just read that

[Hum4n After All]

Does it really matter if it's walk or run?
As long as you can move thats cool.

[ILLiterate]

This is hands down the dumbest internet debate I've ever seen. And that's saying a lot.I laughed harder than I should of

[wormguy]

screw jigglypuff i want to see Ness pull a psi rockin'

oh holy fuck why did i have to imagine this

QFE (10 char)

[friendlyHunter]

Well, it's looking more and more likely Samus will actually have a decent Beam weapon this time =) And by "decent", I mean fun as a gamplay element and an important part of Samus' arsenal, not nessesarily powerful.

[KakTheInfected]

Yeah it was a dumb debate. Even worse when you consider I was typing with only my left hand at the time.

friendlyHunter: I would be happier if they would allow you to change the actual beam weapon she uses. Wave Beam could go through players but cause less damage, Ice fires slow but freezes etc...suppose that's too much focus on one character though.

[Ray Falling]

So...the update shows a new weapon: the cracker launcher (no racism intended? 0_0 )

I wonder if some of the shooting items will replace older ones or will they be simple additions? Too many shooting items tend to suck out the fun I think.

I hope the makers really balance these weapons out because some of them are getting redicilous.

[Red Shadow]

Hahahah I know exactly where this item is from. Anybody else have an idea, care to guess? Or should I just go ahead and say it.

[The Author]

... World of Warcraft?

ARTHAS IS IN SSBB!!!!!

Red Shadow confirmed it.



(And that's how some people behave in this thread...)

[Wipomatic]

Is it Kirby's Air Ride?

[Red Shadow]

That it is, I believe.

[Imagist]

Today's update does confirm one important thing: Gamecube/classic control. "Tilt the control stick"? Doesn't seem like they're even hoping to optimize Wiimote control, which is relieving to me.

[Neo Samus]

That it is, I believe.



I thought that item looked familar.

[atmuh]

Gotta heft this thing! Hurrrgh!

[Theory of N]

Today's update does confirm one important thing: Gamecube/classic control. "Tilt the control stick"? Doesn't seem like they're even hoping to optimize Wiimote control, which is relieving to me.

As much as I agree with you, this doesn't really prove anything. The Wiimote has a control stick on the Nunchuk.

[The Author]

Logic hits Imagery

It's extra strong

Imagery is down.

[dsx100]

The cracker launcher actually looks really cool. The effects for the weapon look like they'll be really cool. Hope they continue puting up more new items.

[Tenucha]

Today's update does confirm one important thing: Gamecube/classic control. "Tilt the control stick"? Doesn't seem like they're even hoping to optimize Wiimote control, which is relieving to me.

Good... I do really like the Gamecube's controller.
Interesting that the undeniably popular title that wil hit the Wii wont even be using the motion sensor controller! haha

But... yes... there is a control stick on the nunchuku attachment...
I really need to find a Wii before this game comes out otherwise it'll be like Christmas seasson all over again! (not that finding them has been easy since then...)

The cracker launcher actually looks really cool. The effects for the weapon look like they'll be really cool. Hope they continue puting up more new items.

Haha ya this thing looks like itll be alot of fun.
And damn... anytime they show a screen of Fox McCloud I keep hoping to see Falco announced again!!
He's my secondary to Luigi. Zelda/ Sheik is my 3rd... I decided I'd figure out how to use her better and the fight

[Hum4n After All]

The white man launcher!!1!
Yeah it is from Kirby's Air Ride.
Fun item.

[Imagist]

As much as I agree with you, this doesn't really prove anything. The Wiimote has a control stick on the Nunchuk.

The Nunchuk has a control stick. The Wiimote has no control stick; the Nunchuk is separate from the Wiimote. That is why they have two different names, and that is why I included "/classic control." Not Classic Controller, classic control, meaning they're sticking to the basics and not doing anything crazy like making you aim items with the Wiimote.

So...

Logic hits Imagery

It's extra strong

Imagery is down.

Shut up.

[The Author]

Errr... It's a lot easier to aim if you use the nunchuk...

[!Nekko!]

Today's update does confirm one important thing: Gamecube/classic control. "Tilt the control stick"? Doesn't seem like they're even hoping to optimize the Wiimote's motion technology, which is relieving to me.

I think this is what he meant. Not abstaining from the Wiimote controller altogether. Even without the motion tech, the Wiimote+nunchuk is still a viable controller.

[Theory of N]

The Nunchuk has a control stick. The Wiimote has no control stick; the Nunchuk is separate from the Wiimote. That is why they have two different names, and that is why I included "/classic control." Not Classic Controller, classic control, meaning they're sticking to the basics and not doing anything crazy like making you aim items with the Wiimote.


Completely invalid arguement. Whether the Nunchuk is seperate from the Wiimote or not, the fact is, they could require you to attatch it to play the game like on Zelda or Red Steel, in which case there would be a control stick to tilt. I'm just saying, this doesn't prove that they won't be using the wiimote to play the game, though I'm totally with you on the fact that motion controls/using the wiimote would totally suck.

Today's update does confirm one important thing: Gamecube/classic control. "Tilt the control stick"? Doesn't seem like they're even hoping to optimize the Wiimote's motion technology, which is relieving to me.

Even so, this is only in one aspect of the game. Who's said anything about it not being in any other part?

[The Pezman]

Dunno if this has been posted yet...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/Kefka691/Smashbrawl-2.png

But this should be our motherfuckin' brawl.

[Theory of N]

Dunno if this has been posted yet...

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/Kefka691/Smashbrawl-2.png

But this should be our motherfuckin' brawl.
something similar was posted about 100 pages back, but this one is fail. There's no Moon.

[Imagist]

Even so, this is only in one aspect of the game. Who's said anything about it not being in any other part?

Sakurai, for starters. At least, they've said they've discovered that attempting to incorporate too much motion-sensing control is not a good thing, and I think this is something of a confirmation that that's still what they believe.

[Theory of N]

That's good, but where did you hear that?


Also...

they've said they've discovered that attempting to incorporate too much motion-sensing control is not a good thing

[!Nekko!]

something similar was posted about 100 pages back, but this one is fail. There's no Moon.

Although Kawashima from Brain Age was kinda lol.

[friendlyHunter]

Here's some cud to chew on like the SSBB-info-cows you are:

You can walk around and jump while holding the launcher.
You can also aim the launcher at different angles by tilting the Control Stick up or down.

It appears maybe you no longer jump using the control stick (or direction pad, if that's what you use). I approve.

Also, has anyone seen a screenshot or part in the movie where a player uses their shield? I don't think I have... but I'm pretty sure Pit does the traditional shield-dodge thingy in one of the movies, only without the 'shield' part. I also approve of "no shields", if that's what they're doing - shields made a lot of projectiles pointless in my opinion...

[Arek the Absolute]

Wait, when did I step into the gamefaqs message board?

[Theory of N]

Here's some cud to chew on like the SSBB-info-cows you are:



It appears maybe you no longer jump using the control stick (or direction pad, if that's what you use). I approve.

Also, has anyone seen a screenshot or part in the movie where a player uses their shield? I don't think I have... but I'm pretty sure Pit does the traditional shield-dodge thingy in one of the movies, only without the 'shield' part. I also approve of "no shields", if that's what they're doing - shields made a lot of projectiles pointless in my opinion...

Hopefully this isn't the case. Maybe it works like a big Roman Candle. You push the button to light it and have a limited time to aim it. It says you can run and jump with the launcher, but it doesn't say you can fire with it. It doesn't look like a rapid-fire and the last update only mentioned rapid-fire weapons.

[Imagist]

That's good, but where did you hear that?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6150506.html

Eleventh paragraph down.

Also, we know there will be some Wiimote functionality, but as far as I'm aware they're leery about including it in the main gameplay. At the moment I can't find the source for that, however.

[The Mutericator]

Although Kawashima from Brain Age was kinda lol.

Even more LOL because he was down there with the big bosses.

It appears maybe you no longer jump using the control stick (or direction pad, if that's what you use). I approve.

What? Where in the world did you draw that conclusion from?

[Imagist]

What? Where in the world did you draw that conclusion from?

If you can run and jump with this gun, but also aim by tilting the control stick up and down, how likely is it that you hit the control stick up to jump as well? I mean, sure, maybe they force you to stop and hold a button to adjust your aim, but that seems unlikely given the description of running and shooting.

[The Mutericator]

If you can run and jump with this gun, but also aim by tilting the control stick up and down, how likely is it that you hit the control stick up to jump as well? I mean, sure, maybe they force you to stop and hold a button to adjust your aim, but that seems unlikely given the description of running and shooting.

Uh, tilt by lightly tilting the control stick, the same way you attack upward while standing on the ground? Not too difficult, methinks.

[The Author]

Logic hits Imagery

It's extra strong

Imagery is down.



(Stop making it this easy)

[Imagist]

Uh, tilt by lightly tilting the control stick, the same way you attack upward while standing on the ground? Not too difficult, methinks.

Does that not involve pressing another button, like I suggested? You can jump by tilting lightly, too, if you're not simultaneously pressing an attack button. But to do the same with the guns, you'd probably either have to have two separate buttons devoted to the item (one to change the angle and one to fire) or force players to fire while attempting to aim, wasting ammo.

RD, why don't you actually... I don't know... use logic to argue against me, if you think I'm making it easy?

[The Author]

Simple, when you have the weapon it FIRES AUTOMATICALLY!

"After you grab this item, it’ll rapidly release blast after blast of firecrackers that explode gaudily."

So is it a big stretch to assume that the weapon will simply mean that tilting the stick will change the angle and pressing up entirely would be jumping.

Like it is right now.

Since you can tilt up to attack straight up.

[friendlyHunter]

So is it a big stretch to assume that the weapon will simply mean that tilting the stick will change the angle and pressing up entirely would be jumping.


Let me answer your question with a question: Shut up. While what you're suggesting is possible, it's neither an intuitive nor a confortable control scheme. After all:
Freedom and ease of use have gotten a real upgrade.
Well, maybe it's not THAT tough to tilt the control stick with great precision in the heat of battle, but... do you really want to be inadvertently aiming up every time you jump? You'd think you'd want to aim DOWN when you jump: using up for jump could be a major design flaw (for that item). I'm also pretty sure it fires automatically, which would make fully tilting up/down while holding A (or it's equivalent) a possibility, as Imagery suggested. The only reason I'm wavering on this issue is because they MIGHT just take the "easy" way out and leave in a few control scheme flaws here and there. After all, it's not like "wavedashing" or whatever is easy to pull off, but it's in Melee anyway. We'll know everything in a matter of months... until then, let the utterly pointless chaos continue!

[Wipomatic]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/263/isledelfinodr5.jpg


Delfino Plaza stage in Brawl! :-D

[Theory of N]

Wow...it's exactly like it. Ok, now I have huge expectations for the other stages.

[KakTheInfected]

Cool, it's like the Mute City track without the N64-ish graphics.

[Hobocop]

Hmm, "several landing points." Wonder what the others are. Hopefully the rooftops and market are among them.

[Theory of N]

huh...I wonder if the sewer lids and sewers will affect it.

[!Nekko!]

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9049/stage02070601clhy5.jpg
Whats with Mario's huge hand? I don't remember that attack.

[KakTheInfected]

Er, what...his hands always got big while punching in Smash.

Edit: I think...at least for that particular attack.

[!Nekko!]

Dang, his hands DO get big in Melee. The punch is so fast that I never really noticed it. Continue on your business, then.

[Arek the Absolute]

if anything it is a reference to smrpg when you got those gloves in mallows home town
been a while since i played so i forgot

[KakTheInfected]

I thought it was just a reference to how Mario punches in Mario 64...which could be a reference to Mario RPG.

[Kiyosuki]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/263/isledelfinodr5.jpg


Delfino Plaza stage in Brawl! :-D

You really feel like a tourist!


You gotta love some of the stuff thats said on this site.

This is a shooting item. Basically, you hold it in your arms.

[Dunther]

Mario started to have big hands with attacks with Mario RPG...then in Mario 64 and Smash Bros. Series..

[Sir_NutS]

Delfino plaza looks nice.

[FuriousFure]

yeah, it looks to be the in-air over A atttack from Melee where, if connected, will plummet the victim strait down.

[megadave]

yeah, it looks to be the in-air over A atttack from Melee where, if connected, will plummet the victim strait down.

Yeah, that would be cool. Maybe if you hit them hard enough, they get stuck in the ground and you can boot 'em up battletoads style (if you know what I mean).

Okay, nevermind.

[The Pezman]

But the biggest question has yet to even be asked:

Who among you will be getting this on its release date AND live within a fifteen mile radius of yours truly?

[Neo Samus]

But the biggest question has yet to even be asked:

Who among you will be getting this on its release date AND live within a fifteen mile radius of yours truly?

Not me. But I will be getting it on day one.

I like how Delfino Plaza is set up. I know for a fact my fiancee is gonna hate this stage because of the face that it moves around. LOL

[Sir_NutS]

they should include a super mario bros 2 indoor stage, attacking flying masks and all.

[eternal Zero]

Yeah, that would be cool. Maybe if you hit them hard enough, they get stuck in the ground and you can boot 'em up battletoads style (if you know what I mean).

Okay, nevermind.

I know exactly what you're talking about, but because most people don't I don't think it's happening any time soon. Which dissapoints me greatly.

[Theory of N]

I know exactly what you're talking about, but because most people don't I don't think it's happening any time soon. Which dissapoints me greatly.

Then again, not many people knew about Mr. Game and Watch before Melee.

[FuriousFure]

they should include a super mario bros 2 indoor stage, attacking flying masks and all.

for sure, that inspired me. one game i'd really like for them to give a pseudo-3d upgrade is Super Mario Bros 3. have it cycle through all the 8 worlds.

so that you're put into a part of the stage in that world. for world 2, desert have the fighters stage be a bunch of blocks in pyramid form. also have a firey 3d sun to chase the players around.

and have it have realistic effects, snowing and patches of ice in Iceworld.

be in the clouds for world number 5. wind and clouds that fog the playing field. this could also provide the gateway for Kuribo's Shoe as an item. (in SMB 3, its only available in world 5)

Waterworld would could be above the water with those falling donut things (like rainbow ride in melee) and those huge cheep cheeps that eatcha whole

it would work so well and be a very epic stage. the 8 levels could be so unique from each other. pipe world, dark world (lava, anyone? a bunch of huge cannon ships and tanks rumbling past a fourman free for all) and have a very plain and calm first world.

but i want emphasize that you'd fight on parts of actual levels of the world not just be floating above them on the normal SSB battlefield.

[ILLiterate]

yeah, it looks to be the in-air over A atttack from Melee where, if connected, will plummet the victim strait down.It's the same exact forward-air attack he has in Melee, probably just going to be faster and easier to use, since in Melee it came out in a slow/weird timing and spiking with it was pretty hard, much easier to use effectively when you played as Doc, and instead of it being a spike it was a move with HUGE knockback, his main kill move

Yeah the new stage looks pretty epic, they're taking top level play much more seriously in this game from the looks of the stages

[atmuh]

it seems nintendo knows what people really care about and is holding it back
people like thecatphysician who play hardcore dont give a crap about items, only characters stages and gameplay
and the delfino stage probably wont be in tourneys because its a movving stage probably like rainbow cruise
nintendo is holding back what people really want and releasing this info that every silly fanboy in the world will love no matter what it is

tell me freaking gameplay
id like to know why i should buy this and not just keep playing melee

[The Mutericator]

it seems nintendo knows what people really care about and is holding it back
people like thecatphysician who play hardcore dont give a crap about items, only characters stages and gameplay
and the delfino stage probably wont be in tourneys because its a movving stage probably like rainbow cruise
nintendo is holding back what people really want and releasing this info that every silly fanboy in the world will love no matter what it is

tell me freaking gameplay
id like to know why i should buy this and not just keep playing melee

Then just read the reviews a week before the game comes out. No need to keep complaining here about it.

[Neo Samus]

Heck I like the updates. Even though some of the info might be minor its still something.

[Scufo]

it seems nintendo knows what people really care about and is holding it back
people like thecatphysician who play hardcore dont give a crap about items, only characters stages and gameplay
and the delfino stage probably wont be in tourneys because its a movving stage probably like rainbow cruise
nintendo is holding back what people really want and releasing this info that every silly fanboy in the world will love no matter what it is

tell me freaking gameplay
id like to know why i should buy this and not just keep playing melee
Since when is it a cause for complaint when developers don't release much info? Hell, all Nintendo really has to do to build the hype train for this game is announce it, yet instead they're giving us new info every weekday. That's pretty damn good.

Besides, I'm sure they'll announce something substantial before the game's release. Be patient is all I'm saying.

[HideousBeing]

They make BF seem like the only neutral stage there will be. Sakurai says, "You'll play this level many times, so it's nice to see it change a little." That sounds like its a stage he included (as if its the only one) so serious players to be able to play tournament smash. BF is like the MLG contribution.

[The Author]

I seriously hate the idea that "tournament gameplay" should be more important in announcements than casual gameplay. He is trying to sell the game to a casual crowd. And if you read the blog, you'll see that its exactly what it does.

No wavedashing bullshit, words that casual gamers will understand, ideas that will be interesting for casual gamers, and nice screenshots. (BTW look at the images a bit. Its beautiful.)

[megadave]

they should include a super mario bros 2 indoor stage, attacking flying masks and all.

If anything from super mario bros. 2 is on there, then I will piss my pants with glee. But you know, Nintendo treats it like their bastard child. They kind of hold it in the closet like those kids on The People Under The Stairs or whatever it's called.

Anyway, yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, I know they had subcon on the last Smash Brothers, which was rad - but they called it 'Mushroom Kingdom 2'. They also said that Birdo is a girl. We all know the truth....

Okay, this is a Smash thread, not a Mario 2 thread, so continue your discussion.

[Effector]

it seems nintendo knows what people really care about and is holding it back
people like thecatphysician who play hardcore dont give a crap about items, only characters stages and gameplay
and the delfino stage probably wont be in tourneys because its a movving stage probably like rainbow cruise
nintendo is holding back what people really want and releasing this info that every silly fanboy in the world will love no matter what it is

tell me freaking gameplay
id like to know why i should buy this and not just keep playing melee

I don't really understand why you're complaining. Instead of pleasing the very small hardcore tourney crowd, he's giving out info that most casual (and more than casual) players - a much larger segment of the population - can enjoy. Plus, characters are going to be much closer-guarded pieces of info, probably given out closer to release (or not at all before release).

Either way, Nintendo's going to sell this game out the butt. With or without these blog posts. I find them refreshing to read, and informative at the same time.

So, basically what everyone else has said.

[ILLiterate]

it seems nintendo knows what people really care about and is holding it back
people like thecatphysician who play hardcore dont give a crap about items, only characters stages and gameplay
and the delfino stage probably wont be in tourneys because its a movving stage probably like rainbow cruise
nintendo is holding back what people really want and releasing this info that every silly fanboy in the world will love no matter what it is

tell me freaking gameplay
id like to know why i should buy this and not just keep playing melee
It looks more like Mute City (a neutral stage in tournaments) so I don't see the problem with it. Also Rainbow Cruise is a neutral stage in tournaments

I also do care a bit for the items, like Final Smash. I mean sure, the game has a big competitive level, and if you want to make a fighting game be a success you need to focus on the competitive level of gameplay, and from the stages I've seen, it looks like their doing it. It's not like people who play competitive never play with items either

[HideousBeing]

Is anyone currently having trouble loading the smashboards.com page? It's redirecting me to some server index, and my links of pages within the site simply yield the "Page cannot be found" message. Someone just try to go on smashboards.com and tell me if the same thing is happening with you.

[Effector]

Yeah. Just getting the server index here too. Hope they didn't get wiped or something.

EDIT: Getting 404s on all the pages linked from Google (Character Specific, Brawl Character Discussion and so on) too. Server went down, maybe? Hope everything was backed up.

[TheCatPhysician]

rainbow cruise is not a neutral stage in tournaments.

[HideousBeing]

Yeah. Just getting the server index here too. Hope they didn't get wiped or something.

EDIT: Getting 404s on all the pages linked from Google (Character Specific, Brawl Character Discussion and so on) too. Server went down, maybe? Hope everything was backed up.
Oh good, it's not just me then. I'm worried though...

EDIT: Oh, thank goodness, it's fixed! Well, not quite, but at least they explained they're just switching servers.

[Broken]

I think Smashboards is migrating to another server, actually.

[atmuh]

rainbow cruise is not a neutral stage in tournaments.

thats what i thought



and wait a tic
usually when someone says something you dont like no matter how much its been refuted you throw your two cents in
and you didnt
does that imply that you actually AGREE with me?????

[Arek the Absolute]

dont question it
it wont happen twice

[ILLiterate]

rainbow cruise is not a neutral stage in tournaments.Sorry, for Mute City and Rainbow Cruise I meant they are valid counter picks, you can play these stages in tournaments. Rainbow Cruise is sometimes considered to be a neutral stage though, while Mute City never is

So I got a tournament today in San Mateo, Arek has one in Sac-Town. I'll probably post some vids, they said someone was recording

[TheCatPhysician]

thats what i thought



and wait a tic
usually when someone says something you dont like no matter how much its been refuted you throw your two cents in
and you didnt
does that imply that you actually AGREE with me?????

haha

yeah, i sort of agree with you. the updates are pretty much retarded and i could personally care less for whatever new items there are. but it's not something i'd really complain about, it's better than no news at all and at the very least we get new screenshots every weekday. i was dissapointed when the site first came out though because i really thought they'd have a new trailer. you were right when everyone was excited for the new site and you said "don't expect much"

[KakTheInfected]

I'm just anxious to see how Snake will work in the game...and hopefully they'll announce some more Fire Emblem or F-Zero characters.

[Wipomatic]

I hope they put Poo in. Martial arts and PSI would rock.

[FuriousFure]

so they said no more clones?

i guess that puts mecha-sonic off the list :c

[Kiyosuki]

Well gameplay wise he could actually be pretty different, but I know that'd be wishing for a bit much.

[Arek the Absolute]

in a tournament of 50 people i placed 3rd
i had to go against nintendo king, the norcal champ
fuck you nintendo king

[Tenucha]

No more clones, eh?
So returning favourties are gonna play quite a bit different then they have in the previous titles?
I'm eager to try out Luigi

[Strike911]

I'm glad Nintendo is giving us constant information. Every day during the week I can check the Smash Bros website and there's a little more info. It's more than other game sites are doing. In fact, I'd much rather have small constant updates like this, than the usual "wait for three months for some info then a drought" kind of affair. Seriously, I prefer this style much better.

And I think Nintendo should be doing stuff like this more often because quite often games come out (before the reviews start ushering in) and there's a HUGE drought of information. I know it's quite the opposite usually, but this style of news coverage makes me feel like Nintendo is trying to talk to the fans, which I personally like. Yes, I know its just a hype machine that is meant to draw people to Nintendo's websites, but it's nice to get information from Nintendo instead of IGN or some generic gaming news site. Those sites are so impersonal, I feel like Nintendo is talking to the fans because we want them to, and even though the website is there for advertising and hype, it's a much more personalized experience...

I like that. In fact, dare I say "I dig it."

[eternal Zero]

I'm just anxious to see how Snake will work in the game.

Supposedly he's going to be hand-to-hand oriented and his arsenal will be mostly close-ranged and explosive. I think it'll be something similar to Ganondorf was...slow-ish but powerful. I think I'll like how he plays though I'm not sure how his whole crouching/laying on the ground thing will affect gameplay.

[Wipomatic]

I'm glad Nintendo is giving us constant information. Every day during the week I can check the Smash Bros website and there's a little more info. It's more than other game sites are doing. In fact, I'd much rather have small constant updates like this, than the usual "wait for three months for some info then a drought" kind of affair. Seriously, I prefer this style much better.

And I think Nintendo should be doing stuff like this more often because quite often games come out (before the reviews start ushering in) and there's a HUGE drought of information. I know it's quite the opposite usually, but this style of news coverage makes me feel like Nintendo is trying to talk to the fans, which I personally like. Yes, I know its just a hype machine that is meant to draw people to Nintendo's websites, but it's nice to get information from Nintendo instead of IGN or some generic gaming news site. Those sites are so impersonal, I feel like Nintendo is talking to the fans because we want them to, and even though the website is there for advertising and hype, it's a much more personalized experience...

I like that. In fact, dare I say "I dig it."


Agreed TO THE EXTREME.

[ILLiterate]

in a tournament of 50 people i placed 3rd
i had to go against nintendo king, the norcal champ
fuck you nintendo king
And I hath placed a meager 4th in mine tournament of around or over twenty persons

Still, next time you tell those GameCrazy douche bags that they need to run double elimination, not any of that fairy crap

[shpladoink]

i won a doubles tournament as jigglypuff a couple weeks ago. i consistently had like 4 more kills than the next person.


not that i'm bragging or anything http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3820/jigglypuffrollbp6.gif

[ILLiterate]

And this brings my next point

No matter what anyones says Jigglypuff is a whore, a god damned whore, and she is top tier, and she is a terrible terrible character, D:<

[Tenucha]

Ya know what character I'd like to see appear in this new Smash Bros? And with all new non-clone moves?
Funky Kong.
Oohh ya!

[Arek the Absolute]

puff is ALL about mindgames and that is why she is so good if put in the right hands

[Shonen Samurai]

Yeah, I'm all about JP and Nessticle. I know Ness is supposed to be really low-tier but he's pretty terrifying if you really know what you're doing.

[Red Shadow]

aye to that

[Broken]

Double jump canceling characters win, hard. I always lol at those people (or maybe it's just one guy) on smashboards with the "Ness is top tier" sigs.

[ILLiterate]

puff is ALL about mindgames and that is why she is so good if put in the right handsPuff is all about uthrow to down b combos, guy won a match in the tournament in less than a minute, EASILY, by just doing that four times, really really funny

I mean sure you can DI out of it and stuff, but god damn thing I don't want to get near it

[Tenucha]

Puff is all about uthrow to down b combos, guy won a match in the tournament in less than a minute, EASILY, by just doing that four times, really really funny

I mean sure you can DI out of it and stuff, but god damn thing I don't want to get near it
Jiggles is fun to use on occassion in a fight... but at the same time very obnoxious.
Shes easy to pick up on so I have gotten to where I can prolly when a few matches. I have against some friends just goofing round against there top characters hah.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Jigs would be top tier were it not for the fact that he's insanely light; there are multiple characters who can kill him with an uncharged smash at under %50 damage.

Otherwise, yes, he pwns.

[Ferret]

The only time I've been killed by a smash on <50% was A) when I wasn't paying attention and B) when I was stupidly close to the edge of a stage like Onett or Flat Zone.

[linkspast]

So I think this update is more than just a song...

I think that its telling us that each character will have a different adventure mode.

[FuriousFure]

So I think this update is more than just a song...

I think that its telling us that each character will have a different adventure mode.

I like your style, kid. its got spunk.









oh yeah, i think you're correct also.

[atmuh]

its probably just the credits music as yoshi
dont read too much into it

Hang on a second.

Is it really fair to play Yoshi’s voice at that moment?

It’s enough to make a guy cry at the end.

[Strike911]

WOW!!! I really love this song. Brings back memories!

WELL, this makes me happy for two reasons.

1) It's that awesome Yoshi's Story song with the singing Yoshis!

2) It appears that Smash Bros will incorporate some high quality music from different genres besides orchestral music (which I also like but it's nice to see different genres being represented here and there).

<3

Fzero GX also had a great soundtrack from multiple genres. I'm hoping for something a bit tamer for the Brawl soundtrack, perhaps an emphasis on Orchestral, and a few extra genres thrown in for good measure.

Well, it's official... I don't know if its the high-pitched Yoshi singing or the tropical feeling from that song, but this update is the first one to really make me smile.

[atmuh]

i just want them to finally use the original corneria music
which they wont as revealed in the second trailer

and the only fzero for me is x not gx
much better soundtrack
see silence and big blue

[Wipomatic]

i just want them to finally use the original corneria music
which they wont as revealed in the second trailer

and the only fzero for me is x not gx
much better soundtrack
see silence and big blue

I don't think it's likely that they'll use the exact same music for the Starfox stage again. Even if they used that one again they'd almost certainly remix it somehow. They probably only used the Melee track in the trailer as a placeholder.

[atmuh]

i have learned to not get my hopes up
so i wont
because they wont

[Dunther]

The new Yoshi's Story theme is better than the previous one!

[anthonium]

Apparently I couldn't wait a month until checking the site again...

The new yoshi's theme sounds stupid to me. Who knows how many people will hate me for saying that but that's definitely what I think of it. I only liked the middle part of it.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

I also thought the yoshi music was quite meh.

[Red Shadow]

have you guys even played yoshi's story

by comparison this version of that theme is fucking amazing

[watkinzez]

That song reminded me how disgustingly cute the Yoshis were singing 'oh way oh'.
Story would have had good music is they had bothered to compose more than one melody.

[KakTheInfected]

I'd probably think it was good if I could remember anything about Yoshi's Story.

[dsx100]

The Yoshi Story arrangement is alright. As long it is not the BGM for a stage I think it will do fine. Also I think, but not sure, that was just a small sample of the song.

[Dunther]

The Yoshi Story arrangement is alright. As long it is not the BGM for a stage I think it will do fine. Also I think, but not sure, that was just a small sample of the song.

I was thinking the same thing...

[Theory of N]

New song is awesome. Love the slide guitar. That and the crazy percussion give it a really cool tropical feel. I love it.

[ILLiterate]

have you guys even played yoshi's story

by comparison this version of that theme is fucking amazingThis man speaks truth

[Darklink42]

I own Yoshi's story (I don't know how or why). Not a very memorable soundtrack. Far too many yoshi sounds, and I believe the singing yoshis actually lowered my intelligence every time I listened to it. Thus my not wanting to go back and try to remember the BGM.

[FuriousFure]

so i figured it out, the singing yoshis totally remind me of the singing ewoks from Return of The Jedi at the end... not a bad thing but i swear to God, if theres any yoshis playing drums using stormtroopers helmets in the end of brawl, heads will roll.

[atmuh]

i gave the music another listen
and must agree it is quite nice

please make the music nice for ALL characters awesome because no one picks yoshi anyway

[Neo Samus]

so i figured it out, the singing yoshis totally remind me of the singing ewoks from Return of The Jedi at the end... not a bad thing but i swear to God, if theres any yoshis playing drums using stormtroopers helmets in the end of brawl, heads with roll.



As long as it's not my own head! LOL

I like it. Much, much better than the origianl BGM. Oh watkinzez, didn't the yoshi's sing "be careful"?

[Scufo]

At first the music was kinda like what? But listening to it again it kinda grew on me. It does Yoshi's Story justice.

[Critical Hit]

As long as it's not my own head! LOL

I like it. Much, much better than the origianl BGM. Oh watkinzez, didn't the yoshi's sing "be careful"?

I remember a debate about what they were actually saying going on when the game came out....never heard any official word as to what it was though myself. Hell, it could be in japanese, or it could be just gibberish (<-----most likely, imo).

[defender!!]

yeah, i always thought they were saying "be careful" too. i love the way they've arranged it there, but i'm still disappointed they didn't actually say anything :(

[cobaltstarfire]

At first I didn't really like the song bit posted, but I think I kind of like it, at first it seemed extremely jumbled and confusing.

And I used to main Yoshi, so I'll be happy if he's still in the game! (Although I've got thoughts of switching to meta knight or pit...)

[nohero]

It would be kind of weird if this Yoshi's Story arrangement was the BGM for the Yoshi stage shown in the trailer; wasn't the Yoshi stage we saw modeled in the style of Yoshi's Island?

[Arek the Absolute]

i would have probably liked it better if i didnt already hate yoshi's story

[Neo Samus]

They might have both a Yoshi's Island and a Yoshi's Story battlefield. Posting that song almost confirms Yoshi will be in SSBB. I wonder if they will post him as a character on the site or present him in a new trailer?

[Wolfstan]

As a frequent and good player of Yoshi in both Smash 64 and Melee, this makes me :D.

[Aninymouse]

You know what makes the new Yoshi's Story theme even awesomer? Masafuni Takada did this one! Honestly, after the composer list was revealed on day 1, there were only three composers I was really excited about: Masafumi Takada & Jun Fukuda (From Grasshopper, of Killer7 fame) and Motoi Sakuraba (who did Golden Sun).

Seriously, I have the Killer7 OST and it's amazing. His style really shines through with the percussion and slide guitar. I get all bubbley just listening to this snippet~!

BE EXCITED!

[chrono26]

i cant wait to hear what mitsuda and sakuraba are contributing (other that the menu music, which sounds like the arrangement is straight outta baten kaitos)and the yoshi music is ok.

[Arek the Absolute]

what a LAME update
"what are pokeballs"
wow
k

[Aninymouse]

Perhaps the millions of people worldwide who know anything about Pokemon at all could clue us in, right? Groudon is HUGE. That's gonna be a total bitch to avoid.

[Dunther]

Maybe will be PKMN from 4th generation...

[Cerrax]

Anyone else noticed that the polygon count has actually dropped? I mean look at the pokeball! And Fox's tail. And just about any other shot from the game. There's a lot of nice textures and other graphical details, but the models are definitely not as smooth as their Melee counterparts. Let's hope this means some excellent gameplay and music have forced the graphics down!

[watkinzez]

That's a shitty Pokeball model. I understand that much of the time you won't see it that up close, but still..

[dsx100]

Did anyone else notice that the screens where taken at pokemon stadium. To me, thats just another stage we can add to the list of known stages up to this point. I have always liked playing at pokemon stadium. I am glad to see a version of it in the game. Oh, and about the whole poloygon thing issue, These could easily early screen shots. When don't know when they were taken. The final product could look a lot better. Remeber how quickly Red Steel improved before it came out.

[Broken]

That's a shitty Pokeball model. I understand that much of the time you won't see it that up close, but still..

But what? It's a pokeball. It releaeses pokemon. Who cares what it looks like?

I'm sure the game will look much better in action than any single screenshot can show anyway.

[KakTheInfected]

Regardless of whether or not it looks better in motion and far away, it still looks awful. Why not add a few more polygons for christ sake.

[Theory of N]

Great...now they've got about 100 new things to release before new characters...the pokemon inside the pokeballs...one at a time...ugh...

[eternal Zero]

Groudon is pretty big, huh?

Anyway, all this talk about items and levels and music doesn't really interest me. I hate how they're just buying time with them. All I really are about it getting a solid character list to see who did and did not stay and to see if they are expanding further than the characters they have already revealed. Also, I want to know what version of each character is being used.

I'm sure this is a shared feeling of the community...but I just wanted to type.

[Dunther]

Great...now they've got about 100 new things to release before new characters...the pokemon inside the pokeballs...one at a time...ugh...

If we must wait ALL the PKMNs BEFORE to see new characters...well...we never see they :p ...

[KakTheInfected]

I'd like to see HAL make every single Pokemon in 3D. It would look better than they do in Battle Revolution.

[Broken]

Regardless of whether or not it looks better in motion and far away, it still looks awful. Why not add a few more polygons for christ sake.

My point is that I'm more worried about how things like the gameplay and the online service pan out more than how anything looks.

And in the realm of graphics, I'm more worried about how the characters and backdrops look than any item or items.

[The Author]

It may also not be the best rendering. They are still in development, maybe they released screen shots from an earlier version. I mean, if its obvious it looks bad, maybe they notices as well.

I mean, it's not like they are entirely blind.

And dumb.

And unaware of what looks good.

I mean, they did manage to make the game so fare without your incessant whining and backseat "developing." How about a little faith. I mean, these daily updates are better than what many companies give us. Look at every announced games. They don't all get that kind of treatment do they?

[ILLiterate]

Best update ever, literally laughed my ass off when I saw it and thought of player reaction

But seriously, new stage people. It'll probably morph like the old one, but there's one big change. Instead of two platforms, there's one right in the center, and I don't think we've ever had that in a Smash level. It looks kind of like a useless spot, but who knows how it'll pan out. Then, it looks much wider, and not to mention they made the sides of the map more of a curve, so sweet spotting and wall jumping will but much easier unlike the current pokemon stadium. I like it

[Sir_NutS]

I prefer they keep releasing small info like this and keep important stuff like secret characters and stages as a secret (though releasing 1 or 2 more characters wouldn't hurt). I like it more when it's a surprise, that's one of the things that made smash bros and melee great, you were just playing, kicking some ass, and suddenly, bam, here comes a new challenger. I remember when this happened to me with captain falcon in the first smash, it was an awesome feeling.

But yeah, the bitching won't stop around here, but I prefer it the way they have been doing this =).

[KakTheInfected]

My point is that I'm more worried about how things like the gameplay and the online service pan out more than how anything looks.

And in the realm of graphics, I'm more worried about how the characters and backdrops look than any item or items.

Well, let's face it. There is really no need to worry about the gameplay, character models or backgrounds. We know they're going to look awesome. That doesn't really mean that people can't complain about a square Pokeball.

The online...well...we all know how barebones and basic Nintendo is with that.

[atmuh]

pokemon stadium is a good level

[HideousBeing]

I prefer they keep releasing small info like this and keep important stuff like secret characters and stages as a secret (though releasing 1 or 2 more characters wouldn't hurt). I like it more when it's a surprise, that's one of the things that made smash bros and melee great, you were just playing, kicking some ass, and suddenly, bam, here comes a new challenger. I remember when this happened to me with captain falcon in the first smash, it was an awesome feeling.

But yeah, the bitching won't stop around here, but I prefer it the way they have been doing this =).
Exactly my thoughts. I want to be surprised. Also, I don't think it's likely that Nintendo will be posting the hidden characters on the site before the game's release. Maybe they will confirm more unhidden characters though.Like maybe they'll anounce "Bowser stays!" or "DK's in!"- something like that.

[Hobocop]

This method of releasing information is probably the best I've seen for a game so far. And even though people seem to be complaining about it being a poor tactic or whatever, you all probably check it everyday anyway. At least this way, players will have a framework on which to access the game when it comes out, regardless of how similar the gameplay is to past games. Think of it as somewhat of an instruction booklet, to familiarize yourself with some aspects of the game so you know what to expect, not as a daily epic insight. That being said, I'm surprised by the quality of information that is put up everyday.

The Pokeball isn't anything new, but Groudon is. I guess then that it is also safe to assume that Kyogre will be in as well. I'm a bit disappointed that it seems that Groudon just stands there, but when factoring its size, I guess that's all he should be doing. I also hope there will be more variety in the moves the Pokemon do - they were recycled a lot in the last game. I'll agree with the poster that said there needs to be some fourth generation Pokemon in this game. Some of the new ones are designed quite well.

And although I'm happy there's a Pokemon Stadium level, I hope that this time it will do something new. I wasn't really a fan of the last Pokemon Stadium because it could have essentially been interchangeable with any other "stadium," despite the elemental changes (which didn't really have much to do with Pokemon in my opinion - a burning house, a windmill?). There's so many possibilities with the franchise's levels, I hope they reflect the games better this time.

[Ray Falling]

I didn't even notice Groudon untill you guys mentioned him :)
I think it'll be comparable to the acid in Samus' level. Like a player touches the pokemon and recieves damage an is thrown into the air a little, but the player is not able to move all that much.
You just bounce and bounce getting more damage. Of course the higher you fligh the more you'll be able to move away.

That's what I think :)

EDIT:

I really think they did a good job on the 3D models of the characters, though I really hope we'll be able to play as paper Mario or Yoshi's Island's Yoshi.
Seeing how we already have "realistic Mario" I'm not sure if that'll happen. Would be great though :)

[atmuh]

This method of releasing information is probably the best I've seen for a game so far. And even though people seem to be complaining about it being a poor tactic or whatever, you all probably check it everyday anyway. At least this way, players will have a framework on which to access the game when it comes out, regardless of how similar the gameplay is to past games. Think of it as somewhat of an instruction booklet, to familiarize yourself with some aspects of the game so you know what to expect, not as a daily epic insight. That being said, I'm surprised by the quality of information that is put up everyday.

uh no?
id say the best way info on a game to be released is through VIDEO like TRAILERS
actually my personal favorite is when developers release ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE

we can figure out all the crap theyve said plus a ton more through about 30 seconds or less of actual gameplay footage

[RocketSniper]

I didn't even notice Groudon untill you guys mentioned him :)
I think it'll be comparable to the acid in Samus' level. Like a player touches the pokemon and recieves damage an is thrown into the air a little, but the player is not able to move all that much.
You just bounce and bounce getting more damage. Of course the higher you fligh the more you'll be able to move away.

I think you just described Venusaur.

[Hum4n After All]

Groudon is just like Moltres.
Except bigger and doesn't move.

[The Author]

uh no?
id say the best way info on a game to be released is through VIDEO like TRAILERS
actually my personal favorite is when developers release ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE

we can figure out all the crap theyve said plus a ton more through about 30 seconds or less of actual gameplay footage

One movie every 5 month or info every day?

And nothing prevents them from showing gameplay in tomorrow's update.

[atmuh]

One movie every 5 month or info every day?

And nothing prevents them from showing gameplay in tomorrow's update.

id take a movie every 5 months
and i understand that they may release a trailer tomorrow and i will praise them if they do

all theyd have to do is show like 2 4-player matches and we could disect it for pages and pages and pages

[Wipomatic]

But seriously, new stage people. It'll probably morph like the old one, but there's one big change. Instead of two platforms, there's one right in the center, and I don't think we've ever had that in a Smash level. It looks kind of like a useless spot, but who knows how it'll pan out. Then, it looks much wider, and not to mention they made the sides of the map more of a curve, so sweet spotting and wall jumping will but much easier unlike the current pokemon stadium. I like it

Actually if you look closely, I think there are two platforms, it's just hard to see because Groudon's in the way.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4231/stadiummu8.jpg

[Dhsu]

The captions are the best.

[Hum4n After All]

I think the gooey bomb captions were the best ones.

[Dunther]

Groudon is just like Moltres.
Except bigger and doesn't move.

I think that Groudon will move of a few steps before leaving the area burning all the ones who touch it.
And maybe would be a great idea if there will be a little earthquake every step it make.

[Strike911]

Interesting. Really though, in Melee, with only a few exceptions, most of the Pokemon were pretty boring. They showed up, did some attack (either on the spot or [if they were big enough] from the background)... Personally, I would like to see some really interesting and new Pokemon attacks.. I mean, with the exception of Togepi doing that Nightshade thing, really there isn't much a difference between Pokemon. Big fireball. Stay away. Big windy hurricane. Stay away. Oohh. Ahh. Seriously... new stuff please. :) More effects on people, more randomness... more fighting.

/pickiness

[Red Shadow]

it would be neat if most of the smaller pokemon joined as an npc fighter until eliminated

[bouncerboy15]

Interesting. Really though, in Melee, with only a few exceptions, most of the Pokemon were pretty boring. They showed up, did some attack (either on the spot or [if they were big enough] from the background)... Personally, I would like to see some really interesting and new Pokemon attacks.. I mean, with the exception of Togepi doing that Nightshade thing, really there isn't much a difference between Pokemon. Big fireball. Stay away. Big windy hurricane. Stay away. Oohh. Ahh. Seriously... new stuff please. :) More effects on people, more randomness... more fighting.

/pickiness
I'll have to agree with on that. I don't want to see the old Pokémon do the same crap as before.

[Strike911]

it would be neat if most of the smaller pokemon joined as an npc fighter until eliminated

That would be real cool. With there own style of fighting and stuff. I'd really like that!!! Good idea sir!

[Subz1987]

Meh, Groudon should use Eruption. It'll send a ton of burning rocks raining onto the field, maybe causing small earthquakes when they hit. Kyogre's should be Water Spout, which is Eruption, but only with huge water drops instead of burning rocks

[watkinzez]

My point is that I'm more worried about how things like the gameplay and the online service pan out more than how anything looks.

And in the realm of graphics, I'm more worried about how the characters and backdrops look than any item or items.

It's a screenshot. There's not much else you can discuss about it.

[FuriousFure]

I'll have to agree with on that. I don't want to see the old Pokémon do the same crap as before.

maybe have each pokemon have its four attacks like the original game. and then do one of four. players wouldn't know which attack was coming.


also they could bring in new (to ssb) old pokemon. alakazam's hypnowave. diglett's dig. etc.