Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Flaming Wuzzle]

Phoenix Wright needs to be in an Assist Trophy. I would buy the game purely for that.

[JackKieser]

Hah. That convo made me lol. Easy P was all going crazy... but I guess that's to be expected... ;)

--Jack Kieser

[!Nekko!]

Shit, now we gotta start speculating about what characters will be included with the assist trophies. FUCK!

Well, my money is on Revolver Ocelot and Ninja, then.

[Hum4n After All]

Please let a Golden Sun character be in an assist trophy.
Please let a Golden Sun character be playable in Smash Bros.
C'mon!

[Arek the Absolute]

NO SPECULATIONS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Also:
EazyPInc1 (12:12:07 AM): you know what this means?
EazyPInc1 (12:12:11 AM): sakurai will post characters
EazyPInc1 (12:12:13 AM): that are NPCs
EazyPInc1 (12:12:16 AM): and destroy fanboys
Thesampsons18 (12:12:28 AM): megaman as npc
Thesampsons18 (12:12:30 AM): SONIC AS NPC
Thesampsons18 (12:12:42 AM): Oh how the fanboys would cry
Thesampsons18 (12:12:48 AM): How epic would that be?

lol if that happens oh man lol

[Rachtman]

I really hope Isaac or Felix from Golden Sun makes it into the game as a playable character.

[Hum4n After All]

I really hope Isaac or Felix from Golden Sun makes it into the game as a playable character.

I would like Garet instead of Felix.
But definitely Isaac.

[FuriousFure]

Shit, now we gotta start speculating about what characters will be included with the assist trophies. FUCK!

Well, my money is on Revolver Ocelot and Ninja, then.

anybody is a possibility now. theres no point to speculating. but here i go anyways!


so i figure theres maybe 1-3 assist trophies depending on each character they are specifically related to. (hammer bro, goro).

but then you'll have special ones that aren't really related to anybody but be there cause they are way cool. (nintendog)


anybody up for The Return of INVINCIBLE Game and Watch?

[ILLiterate]

ITT Arek posts his chatlogs

Also fuck you for making it look out of context in the first one

[Strike911]

Phoenix Wright needs to be in an Assist Trophy. I would buy the game purely for that.

FOR GREAT JUSTICE SIR!

[Raziellink]

Man, what a sweet update it is. I wonder if they will go REALLY crazy with all the characters that could be summoned...

[friendlyHunter]

Well, now I'm relatively convinced we'll see Ridley, King Dedede, Little Mac, a freaking ton of Zelda characters (Goron, Tingle (hopefully non-invincible), iron knuckle, etc.) and most characters from Melee. They might even have a playable Sonic, then throw Tails, Knuckles, Robotnic, etc. in as trophies!

Characters (playable or otherwise) I'm really hoping for:
Paper Mario
Diddy & Dixie Kong
heck YEAH a Golden Sun character!
Megaman (though my hopes are low...)
A Belmont
The Bubble Bobble guys
Grim Reaper guy from Kid Icarus (as a trophy of course)
Metroids (would be the greatest assist trophy ever! Watch it fly at characters, forcing them to either run or hit it away temporarily, then latch on and watch the damage pile up..... :)!!)


It'd be pretty interesting if bosses appeared. Countless Megaman bosses! Tubba Blubba! Francis! Majora's Mask! Freaking Dracula! I'm sure we could compile a massive list, but what's the point......


....MARX!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWf_2q8OPEw)
[warning: Marx video contains spoilers for whatever Kirby game he's from]

[Arek the Absolute]

Those who do not know who Marx is cannot ever declare themselves to be kirby fans.
Also, I didn't edit out anything from our chatlog EasyP.
Stop with your lies.

[Strike911]

I think Bosses from any Nintendo games are good candidates. There is a high volume of bosses from all these games, they're obscure yet retain a personality that is (usually) unique. I mean what about Minardi or Saturos from Golden Sun, highly interesting characters but not well known enough for a playable character slot imo. A whole slew of Fire Emblem characters can fit in this area too. Perhaps some Pokemon gym trainers (again, sidenote, I'm really hoping for Jesse and James from Team Rocket! You can't tell me those two (plus meowth) wouldn't be awesome... and a great choice to boot). Hmm, I'd be willing to bet we'll see a ton of Zelda characters... so many, but also characters like Petey Pirahnna, possibly Donkey Kong Jr. Andross would be interesting in evil scientist Monkey form! If Ganon isn't a playable character then GANON... in giant pig form. Eggplant Wizard maybe? There are A LOT of characters from Super Mario RPG that you could pick... seriously... tons.

... you know I wish they had regular baddies show up more frequently (LIKE THEY DID IN MELEE EXCEPT MORE OFTEN...) but now I'm off topic.

Man, I would freak if Mother Brain from the Captain N TV show suddenly appeared...

[ThE Sa-X]

FOR GREAT JUSTICE SIR!

OBJECTION!

I believe that Dynablade would be another possibility.
But given that Golden Sun is very obscure and not very well known, even though it is a kick ass game, I don't think they will have any playable Golden Sun characters. NPC however MIGHT be a possibility.
And yes, Phoenix Wright would be FTW.

[Brithor]

This is a cool update, at first I thought we'd be having Goro as a playable character (It needs more F-Zero guys in it :D) but after reading the whole thing I must say these souped up pokeballs are a great idea.
I just hope assisting characters do more than pokemons did in Melee.

[Ray Falling]

This is the best update yet!

And I must say that's a really clever way to get more characters in it without having to make them playable.
It also looks like they're really listening to what the fans want :) so we may get to see all those unlikely characters afterall.

I'll say it again: this game is starting to get better and better everytime :)

[supremespleen]

ITT Arek posts his chatlogs

Also fuck you for making it look out of context in the first onewhoah i didn't know you were eazyp
hi

[dsx100]

Great update overall, although I was hoping Goro woulde be a playable character. I really like this Assist character idea even if it is very similar to pokeballs. This reminds me of Marvel vs. Capcom where some of the lesser characters can be picked as assist characters to aid you during battle. Maybe gombas, octrots, redeads, metroids will show up as assist characters.

[Sir_NutS]

Well that's nice, now non-stellar characters can participate in smash. Here's the possibility for a Metal Gear appearing out of an assist trophy, or liquid snake, or revolver ocelot! man, I hope they put revolver ocelot in there =p

Lots of posibilities now for a lot of characters. This was a great idea imho, although they should have gotten rid of pokeballs and include the pokemons in the assis trophies, because, after all, they are assist characters as well. But anyways, this was one of the best updates and has taken any doubt about buying a wii+smash I had.

[anthonium]

So it's pretty much like pokeballs except with other characters from other games. I'd like to see that Doshin the Giant guy pop out. Anyway this is a cool update although I was hoping there would be other playable F-Zero characters but seeing how his arch enemy is an assist character I don't see other ones as playable.Who knows.

[megadave]

I just want a release date! E3 (or its shadow of its former self) is coming up soon.....

[Eulogic]

F-Zero characters pretty much suck. They could get rid of Captain Falcon for all I care.

Hell, they could get rid of Captain Falcon, Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Pichu, Roy, Marth, and Sheik, and I wouldn't mind. Ice Climbers and Young Link are two of my top three gameplay-wise, but they're still ridiculous characters. Zero-Suit Samus falls into this category too.

[Neo Samus]

Awesome update. I was kinda dissapointed when I realized that Samuari Goroh was not playable. But this is still gonna add an additional amount of replay value!!

[Neo Samus]

F-Zero characters pretty much suck. They could get rid of Captain Falcon for all I care.

Hell, they could get rid of Captain Falcon, Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Pichu, Roy, Marth, and Sheik, and I wouldn't mind. Ice Climbers and Young Link are two of my top three gameplay-wise, but they're still ridiculous characters. Zero-Suit Samus falls into this category too.

So you are basicly saying that you want no characters in the game?

Sorry for double post.

[Dark Chocobo]

So you are basicly saying that you want no characters in the game?

Sorry for double post.

No, he's saying get rid of all the characters he doesn't like and/or thinks are useless, even if other people play as them (or want to).

[!Nekko!]

F-Zero characters pretty much suck. They could get rid of Captain Falcon for all I care.

Hell, they could get rid of Captain Falcon, Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Pichu, Roy, Marth, and Sheik, and I wouldn't mind. Ice Climbers and Young Link are two of my top three gameplay-wise, but they're still ridiculous characters. Zero-Suit Samus falls into this category too.


Then play the first Smash Bros.?

[atmuh]

come on eulogic thats even stupider than some of the stuff ive said

[Strike911]

No, he's saying get rid of all the characters he doesn't like and/or thinks are useless, even if other people play as them (or want to).

Seems completely logical, well thought out, unbiased, and above all else, very fair to everyone else that plays Smash Bros.

and lol @ Atma.

[!Nekko!]

Yeah! And the idea of a plumber saving a kingdom from a giant evil turtle seems pretty ludicrous to me too. Lets take anyone involved with that out of smash.

[Strike911]

Yeah! And the idea of a plumber saving a kingdom from a giant evil turtle seems pretty ludicrous to me too. Lets take anyone involved with that out of smash.

I know, seriously. What the hell were those crazy bastards thinking. I'm just tired of all of Nintendo's bullshit.

You know what they should do? They should just stop making any new Smash Bros games altogether, sign on as a subsidiary of Square and make another game like Smash bros, but with all FF characters.

Geez, all this turtle and mushroom BS. That shit never sells.

[Eulogic]

You guys are fucking retarded. I am saying I wouldn't care if those characters were removed because, in my opinion, they are unimportant and unappealing.

I'm sure some F-Zero fanboy would think I'm an idiot and that all the characters should be replaced by Octo-Man or some other gay F-Zero shit, but hey, I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

[megadave]

Actually, several of you are acting like retards right now and should probably cut it out. This is a game we're talking about, not Jesus Christ or the world trade deficit.

So, if you don't mind, let's try getting along.

[eternal Zero]

You guys are fucking retarded.

No, sir, that'd be you. There's a little thing called tone. It tends to implicitly indicate how you feel on a certain manner regardless of how explicit you were. Their responses were not unwarranted regardless of how they chose to put it.

Anyhow, I don't like the idea of assist trophies. They're a lame version of pokeballs for other non-pokemon characters. Granted, the original trophies were lame and didn't do anything, and to be honest, it is nice that they're including even more characters without making the character select screen four times as large. Just typing this, I've sold myself on these assist trophies. I did a double take when I saw Goroh, man, I thought he was going to be a playable, lol.

Edit:
I just want a release date! E3 (or its shadow of its former self) is coming up soon.....

What're they calling it now? I remember them changing to something stupid...but it was so stupid that I forgot it quickly. I know they changed the format...but I also recall a name change in the process.

[viviface]

although i do agree with those that are talking about a FF version of SSBB, i believe that they should keep making SSB games.
The only problem that arises when they come out w/ ne SSB games is that they make them more and more complex (than previous versions) almost making even previous game masters oblivious and confused to the new controls... but i guess that the same time that happens to everyone :)

okay i'm arguing with myself :whatevaa:

[!Nekko!]

What're they calling it now? I remember them changing to something stupid...but it was so stupid that I forgot it quickly. I know they changed the format...but I also recall a name change in the process.

Entertainment for all? I think thats the name of the "successor" which takes place in October. E3 is still called E3 as far as I know, but just toned down and not as fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E3 (Scroll down to Spiritual Successor to E3)

[BigBoss]

No, sir, that'd be you. There's a little thing called tone. It tends to implicitly indicate how you feel on a certain manner regardless of how explicit you were. Their responses were not unwarranted regardless of how they chose to put it.

shut up fgt

[eternal Zero]

I refuse to fade out like a good little unmodder.

Now you see there's the problem.



!Nekko!: Ah, that's right. I didn't realize they were still calling E3 by that name officially. I thought E3 turned into this new E for All and that the old E3 became just a small media thing.

[BigBoss]

Now you see there's the problem.

shut up fgt

[Slut]

Now you see there's the problem.



!Nekko!: Ah, that's right. I didn't realize they were still calling E3 by that name officially. I thought E3 turned into this new E for All and that the old E3 became just a small media thing.

You must never give up, my son.

[Sir_NutS]

F-Zero characters pretty much suck. They could get rid of Captain Falcon for all I care.

Hell, they could get rid of Captain Falcon, Falco, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Pichu, Roy, Marth, and Sheik, and I wouldn't mind. Ice Climbers and Young Link are two of my top three gameplay-wise, but they're still ridiculous characters. Zero-Suit Samus falls into this category too.

Then play the first Smash Bros.?

come on eulogic thats even stupider than some of the stuff ive said

Yeah! And the idea of a plumber saving a kingdom from a giant evil turtle seems pretty ludicrous to me too. Lets take anyone involved with that out of smash.

I know, seriously. What the hell were those crazy bastards thinking. I'm just tired of all of Nintendo's bullshit.

You know what they should do? They should just stop making any new Smash Bros games altogether, sign on as a subsidiary of Square and make another game like Smash bros, but with all FF characters.

Geez, all this turtle and mushroom BS. That shit never sells.

You guys are fucking retarded. I am saying I wouldn't care if those characters were removed because, in my opinion, they are unimportant and unappealing.

I'm sure some F-Zero fanboy would think I'm an idiot and that all the characters should be replaced by Octo-Man or some other gay F-Zero shit, but hey, I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

although i do agree with those that are talking about a FF version of SSBB, i believe that they should keep making SSB games.


...And the lulz has returned to this thread!

[BigBoss]

I like Captain Falcon. But I don't want any other F-Zero characters in the game. Not playable, anyways.

[The Author]

I like Captain Falcon. But I don't want any other F-Zero characters in the game. Not playable, anyways.


Well, this is the first confirmation of F-Zero being in this game. So I guess the Falcon Fans are gonna be satisfied...

Unless this means that Falcon is gonna be removed and made an item.

[Eulogic]

So, if you don't mind, let's try getting along.

Fuck you.

And you guys need your heads checked if you read "they could get rid of Character X and I wouldn't mind" as "I hope they drop that fucking Character X!"

[Slut]

Fuck you.

And you guys need your heads checked if you read "they could get rid of Character X and I wouldn't mind" as "I hope they drop that fucking Character X!"

I would mind. Do you know how much I had to play with those bitches in SSBM? There's a select few they didn't do right and that I barely ever saw in play, granted, but folks like Captain Falcon and his Falcon Punch are pretty classic right now. Yeah. You can't drop it like it's hot like that. They need to make Ganon a non-CF-clone and things like that, maybe get rid of a select few chars, sure, but there's some they just shouldn't or people have every reason to wonder what the fuck that mess is.

[friendlyHunter]

I'd be willing to bet that all the characters Eulogic mentioned (except Capt. Falcon) will NOT be playable in Brawl. Some of those characters have had more than their fair share of the spotlight, others are silly clones who's novelty has worn off, and some simply don't fit with Brawl's updated character designs (e.g Young Link and Sheik). Did they work in Melee? Sure, if you liked those characters in tournaments, and didn't particularly care about the games they were from, or the fact that they were clones. I sure wouldn't mind seeing any of them go. Think of it this way: does Young Link make sense as an assist trophy in Brawl? I'd imagine most would say "No, Link's already a playable character!" Why on earth did they make Young Link and other clones in Melee then? Clearly, it was from a pure gameplay standpoint - clones offered varied gameplay for serious players who can actually notice the subtle differences, but showed some major carelessness (e.g Young Link shoots Fire Arrows, which do less damage than Adult Link's regular arrows??) that Brawl has so far not shown. Brawl's gameplay is bound to be much different than Melee (especially from a competitive perspective), so a new Young Link would play completely differently in Brawl, and the issue of whether Young Link and others were good characters in Melee becomes irrelevant.

[eternal Zero]

Actually, Young Link isn't leaving...so to speak. He's being replaced by WW Link, which makes some awesome sense.

I'd be willing to wager that Sheik will remain as another character if not still attached to Zelda.

And hell, I, too, would be livid if Ganon doesn't have his own freaking moveset this time around. Even though the CF moveset is nothing to sneeze at, he really needs to tap into his part of the triforce ffs.

[Murmeli Walan]

Actually, Young Link isn't leaving...so to speak. He's being replaced by WW Link, which makes some awesome sense.

For the 80 thousandth time, that was false rumor that got out of hand. It's not true.

But I do agree with you, Gannondorf deserves his own moveset this time around.

[The Author]

For the 80 thousandth time, that was false rumor that got out of hand. It's not true.

But I do agree with you, Gannondorf deserves his own moveset this time around.

His swordsplay in recent games give him a usable moveset.

[Broken]

Thanks for the tips. Do you play Zelda at all? I like her better actually. Similar physics, similarly awesome recovery, but no djc and no down smash spam (well, not quite as good anyway). There's just something awesome about sweet-spotting her f-air.

EDIT- Yay! First post on page 400!

Lol, I lost our little mini conversation in the 3+ pages of discussion (or lulz) that occured since I last posted. I'm not a Zelda player, but I don't suggest using her exclusively (as in not using Sheik too, even though I hate both of them thoroughly.)

Peach has way better recovery options than zelda. Zelda's up B is usually used as a last resort and it has no attack capabilities at all, so that's part of the reason I don't use her. The sweet spot for her f-air is at a weird place on her frame, too.

[Slut]

Lol, I lost our little mini conversation in the 3+ pages of discussion (or lulz) that occured since I last posted. I'm not a Zelda player, but I don't suggest using her exclusively (as in not using Sheik too, even though I hate both of them thoroughly.)

Peach has way better recovery options than zelda. Zelda's up B is usually used as a last resort and it has no attack capabilities at all, so that's part of the reason I don't use her. The sweet spot for her f-air is at a weird place on her frame, too.

Peach is my best character. Much love for Blue Peach. Anyway, Ganon is a real badass, especially after his latest game. Definitely needs to bust out his blade and show us the moves. ...And not more Falcon moves. ._.

[friendlyHunter]

Here's a fun little story that's almost completely off topic:

[Warning, contains minor Twilight Princess spoilers]

So I was playing TP, I was in the Temple of Time, and I get to a room where all paths are blocked off by gates. I'm thinking "Hmm, there's a lot of gates in this dungeon... there's probably an item that lets you get past them." I turn around, and there's a shiny green diamond - could it be: Farore's Wind??! WOW now I'll be able to warp past all the gates - it probably looks exactly like Zelda's teleportation in Smash Bros.! Wow, now I completely understand what Zelda's moves are... are they including past Smash Bros. moves in future games now?! These items can't get much better!

So, I try to get it, expecting the triumphant DA DA DA DAAAA!!! ummm, oh.... it's a switch to open the gates :oops:
Luckily the item in that dungeon turned out to be even better than teleportation. =)

[ILLiterate]

I played the best Captain Falcon I've ever played in my life today. Comboed with that and my friend's Ganondorf, this one kid walked out punching walls and cursing because he couldn't win

[wormguy]

Saw some competitive Smash Melee gaming at Anime Expo today. There was one guy playing as Princess Peach (nickname NPPL) and consecutively won every fight. He must have been going for hours...

Funny, I was probably in the same room as you for a few hours and didn't even notice...oops. You planning on going next year?

Anyway, even though assist trophies are pretty much a poke ball for non-Pokemon, it's still a cool idea.

[Cerrax]

Here's a fun little story that's almost completely off topic:

[Warning, contains minor Twilight Princess spoilers]

So I was playing TP, I was in the Temple of Time, and I get to a room where all paths are blocked off by gates. I'm thinking "Hmm, there's a lot of gates in this dungeon... there's probably an item that lets you get past them." I turn around, and there's a shiny green diamond - could it be: Farore's Wind??! WOW now I'll be able to warp past all the gates - it probably looks exactly like Zelda's teleportation in Smash Bros.! Wow, now I completely understand what Zelda's moves are... are they including past Smash Bros. moves in future games now?! These items can't get much better!

So, I try to get it, expecting the triumphant DA DA DA DAAAA!!! ummm, oh.... it's a switch to open the gates :oops:
Luckily the item in that dungeon turned out to be even better than teleportation. =)

Actually, all of Zelda's magic moves are from Ocarina of Time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOMXw8MmO9o

[friendlyHunter]

Yep, I know that now of course - it's just that Zelda's B up move = Farore's Wind didn't quite click for me until that moment =)

[Binjovi]

Wow... he looks nice!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser.jpg

[atmuh]

bowser rocked in melee

[StarZander]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070703b-l.jpg

What is that flag there in the background? I don't recognize it.

[Strike911]

What is that flag there in the background? I don't recognize it.

I thought the general consensus was that that was a Fire Emblem related insignia?

Bowser looks cool. Although, not really excited by this update. Never played as Bowser.

I think the more important piece of information is when Sakurai mentions :
"If you think [the characters are] all going to be the same as they have been, it’ll be rough for you."

I think that's pretty much a confirmation that any "tiers" or theoretical systems of balance (or imbalance) that were in existance from Melee, will drastically be altered. I'm willing to bet we'll see some major balancing going on that will change a lot of dynamics regarding what characters will get played the most. Could this mean the erradication of tiers by balancing, or merely the shifting of tiers where we see characters like "Fox" and "Marth" replaced by characters that were originally thought poor choices (IE "Pichu" etc.). I'm not saying any of these examples specifically, again, they're merely examples. I mean, very few people used Bowser that I knew of, and everyone else I talked to seem to agree that they didn't play (or know people) that played well with Bowser in Melee. So do you think they'll be balancing him out to be a contender with more popular character choices?

It'll be interesting to see who gets dumbed down and who gets a little better. I know a perfect balance isn't possible, but a little more balance will never hurt. Especially with characters that few people played with!!! All in all this news makes me happy.

[Rambo]

are they including past Smash Bros. moves in future games now?!

They actually did!! Ganondorf used his side smash (elbow) in the final battle!!


I mean, very few people used Bowser that I knew of, and everyone else I talked to seem to agree that they didn't play (or know people) that played well with Bowser in Melee. So do you think they'll be balancing him out to be a contender with more popular character choices?

I find bowser (bad or not) really fun to play as in melee. All of his aerial attacks are pretty sweet, so long as you're good at L-canceling. It's always a close battle 1v1 when I'm playing as bowser. Albeit all my friends are pretty average at the game, so I can appreciate that he wouldn't be much of a contender in competitive play.

Anyway, I interpreted the same as you did concerning that bolded comment. I'd love to see bowser as a legitimate threat in the future! And he looks pretty sweet.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd love to see more villains in this game. :smile: Metaknight was a good start. Wario..... suuure but not what I'm thinking.

[ThE Sa-X]

Meh an average update.
Best thing about this one was Bowser's new appearance. Pretty sweet. O well, they cant all be great.

[Dunther]

I don't like the new Bowser!
He seem to have a puppet face with seams!!!

[eternal Zero]

The best part about this update is the talking about balance. I've wanted to see a solid and large character play well for a long time, but it's not the easiest thing because they're such a big target that's easy to combo into. I really hope they upped his speed.

[dsx100]

I personally think Bowser looks awsome. I thought it was going tough for them to top his melee look but I think they did a great job. I also agree that the last sentence in the update seems to be a good indicator that they are working on the balancing issues of the game.

[Drack]

I'm pretty good with bowser in melee.

I beat a peach expert 1v1 5stock with bowser on final destination.

I wonder how his moves will change for Brawl. I hope some of the melee moves (down b, forward b, up smash, to name a few) stay, but a lot of his aerial stuff could use a change.

[Sir_NutS]

Bowser is back, and looks better than ever!

I personaly like this badass look, kinda takes away from my mind the image of the stupid (but funny) bowser that nintendo has been handling lately (Super Paper Mario). I mean, Bowser was someone to fear in smb bac kwhen we started playing, now he's just a joke. Anyways, rants aside, I liked this update.

[Ray Falling]

I'm very pleased to see Bowser back, and he seriously does look fantastic! I'd say he's the best looking character model we've seen yet, very refined and polished.

I was thinking how it would be possible for each character to have up to 4 more moves if they used the C-stick on the Cube controller. Kind of like Tales of Symphonia, only I guess that would mean abandoning the camera zoom function (which wasn't all too usefull to begin with). Unfortunatly so many moves would probably not be possible for other controller types since they have less buttons. ;_;

I also like the sound of the whole "they (some of the characters) play different this time around" thing. I'm very curious how much change we're talking about and I can't wait to try out Bowser. :) He was one of the first I tried to get good with on Melee.

[eternal Zero]

Unfortunately, the C-Stick idea won't be taken so well because a vast majority of players like to use it for their smashing purposes. For those who can't be bothered with learning how to time the combination properly or those who just aren't as quick pressing two buttons at once in a very specific manner like the ease of a quick flick on a single stick. I do find myself using it for certain characters I'm not so good with when I'm spamming a specific smash. You don't get the control of charging/timing it, but it has the potential to be faster on a more consistent basis.

Edit: Wait...camera zoom? Okay, you lost me. Explain yourself.

[Ray Falling]

Unfortunately, the C-Stick idea won't be taken so well because a vast majority of players like to use it for their smashing purposes. For those who can't be bothered with learning how to time the combination properly or those who just aren't as quick pressing two buttons at once in a very specific manner like the ease of a quick flick on a single stick. I do find myself using it for certain characters I'm not so good with when I'm spamming a specific smash. You don't get the control of charging/timing it, but it has the potential to be faster on a more consistent basis.

Edit: Wait...camera zoom? Okay, you lost me. Explain yourself.

Well, it only works as quick smash in multiplayer. In single player it functions as a camera zoom function.

I guess a lot of people would use the quick smashes hmm.

I just liked the idea of having a few more signature moves :) the C-stick could offer that, but of course there are a ton of reasons not to do it too.

[eternal Zero]

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I haven't done smash single player way back when I first was able to complete it without using a continue on the hardest difficulty. Never gave it much thought after that. Didn't know the quick smashes weren't present as I don't use them much.

[Neo Samus]

I think it's mainly used in adventure mode.

Offtopic EZ: Who is that in your sig? She looks familiar but I can't put my finger on it? Is she from FF8?

Edit: Bowser looks bad ass. I've never really liked him but I would play him on occation just to say I have. I wonder what they are going to do to balance the characters?

[The Author]

I think it's mainly used in adventure mode.

Offtopic EZ: Who is that in your sig? She looks familiar but I can't put my finger on it? Is she from FF8?

Wrong, then...

[eternal Zero]

Bzzt. Sorry, RD, but it's Carian from the Magna Carta series.

On topic:

I never liked having quick smashes...made some people play better than they should have. I can whip out smashes consistently faster and more precise than anyone I know can with that C-Stick and they shouldn't be able to even get a single stock on my with their crappy C-Sticks...which they don't, but that's not the point. It makes it more accessible, sure, but it really limits you when you want to be able to charge and time your smashes to mix up your game and get into their heads. I find that's the hardest part for people when I see them "taking the next step" so to speak.

[Global-Trance]

C-Stick is best used for aerials without killing your momentum. Doesn't kill your second jump if going for u-air, no fast fall (or slowdown) if you're going for d-air, etc. That's about it. Mixing it up with the A + Stick is definitely good for tournament play...

[eternal Zero]

I'll sometimes use it for aerials, but I don't tend to have a problem with fast falling or losing momentum as my intended attacks dictate my movements so I'm moving that direction anyway or I start my spike (my main is Samus, so I'm referring to her) as I jump so it cancels out the fast fall as she winds up for the hit. That is a good idea though, at least in my opinion for mid-air combat to mix up my playing style.

[Slut]

I have never, ever used the C-stick in battle. There was never a reason, even against C-stick abusers.

[Zeklan]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/bowser/bowser_070703b-l.jpg
Bowser Slap!
Bowser actually looks menacing now.

[eternal Zero]

As long as it still retains the ability to grab so you can chomp on them a couple times, I'm happy.

[Arek the Absolute]

I have never, ever used the C-stick in battle. There was never a reason, even against C-stick abusers.

How horribly newbish of you.

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, the c-stick is there for a reason. You're allowed to use it. I'm just glad I've never seen a discussion about the C-stick that gets as bad as using the bar in DDR :P

[Slut]

How horribly newbish of you.

QQ more Arek.

Also, my little brother often cheated in At-home DDR and used our hands when things got too hectic. :3

[Kiyosuki]

I love Bowser and I like the way he looks in this, without the tan. I think something Bowser really needs is an armor effect. Kind of like Mecha Zangief or Potempkin where he doesn't go into his stun animation easilly, especially not with just a little slap from something like Fox's dinky singular A punch. He'll still take the damage, but he won't be stopped as easilly, it'll take consecutive hits or a bigger hit to get him stunned.

Speaking of Bowser, it'd sure be cool if these guys were an assist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/SevenKoopalings.jpg

I know chances are slim but still.

[Dunther]

I love Bowser and I like the way he looks in this, without the tan. I think something Bowser really needs is an armor effect. Kind of like Mecha Zangief or Potempkin where he doesn't go into his stun animation easilly, especially not with just a little slap from something like Fox's dinky singular A punch. He'll still take the damage, but he won't be stopped as easilly, it'll take consecutive hits or a bigger hit to get him stunned.

Speaking of Bowser, it'd sure be cool if these guys were an assist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/SevenKoopalings.jpg

I know chances are slim but still.

Uh great idea! I want to see the Koopaling to assist Bowser! :D

[Slut]

They kinda watered down the koopa kids recently to make 'Baby Bowser' I think, so that'd probably be it. Him, or that female magikoopa.

[dsx100]

I have never used c-sticking the whole time I have played the game (or at least not since the first time I tried it out). To me it isn't very useful because I can pull off a smash attack just as fast manually and you can't charge c-stick smashes. I think charged smashes can come in handy very often.

[Rambo]

Nah, they watered them down to make Bowser Jr.
Which I think was a big mistake. Junior blows. In any case the koopalings would make sweet assist characters.

As for the C-stick, I find it extremely useful to couple it with wavedashing. I always use Stick + A otherwise, bit its really helpful while already moving through your dash.

[DeathBySpoon]

IIRC, you actually can charge the C-Stick with Z. Not that that's better or anything, but I just thought I'd throw that out. If I'm wrong, ignore this.

[Slut]

Nah, they watered them down to make Bowser Jr.
Which I think was a big mistake. Junior blows. In any case the koopalings would make sweet assist characters.

As for the C-stick, I find it extremely useful to couple it with wavedashing. I always use Stick + A otherwise, bit its really helpful while already moving through your dash.

He's cool at times. Almost a ninja in Mario Sunshine even, I liked him there. But it's hard for 'one' kid to beat out 'seven' in the cool factor. Plus, they all sort of had 'personality' back in the Mario Bros 3 just in how you fought them, I think.

[Vidilian]

Surely Giga Bowser will return now. He'd look amazing judging by this update. Hmmm. Maybe transforming into Giga Bowser temporarily could be Bowsers Final Smash.

[friendlyHunter]

Indeed, Giant Invincible Bowser would make a great Final Smash. Straight outta Paper Mario, too =)

[Edit]
I'm still waiting for a Bowser's castle stage though =D

[The Author]

Indeed, Giant Invincible Bowser would make a great Final Smash. Straight outta Paper Mario, too =)

[Edit]
I'm still waiting for a Bowser's castle stage though =D

I'd prefer a Haunted House.

But yeah, they should remove one of the mario themed levels (like rainbow cruise) and throw in a bowser related level.

[Slut]

I'd prefer a Haunted House.

But yeah, they should remove one of the mario themed levels (like rainbow cruise) and throw in a bowser related level.

Bowser's castle with whomps, boos, spikes, and the whole shabang? YES PLZ.

[Ray Falling]

Hey I just read on IGN that Smash Brothers Brawl will not be in playable form at E3 this year. The same article reminded me that this game was supposed to be released with the Wii.

Now that got me thinking; why of all the franchises does Nintendo pick this game to pour all their efforts in? Why for example do they not pour such efforts in their huge franchises like Pokemon or Zelda or something like that? Why would they cancel certain games for not appealing to a wider crowd, yet put everything in SBB?

Not complaining though, as I love the series and this game will no doubt be the most amazing yet, just wondered why this game gets the extra treatment. It's been in developement for quite some time now right?
It makes sense for them to pull it back to include online options and other things, but why not do the same for other games that are now just mediocre?
Was there a finished product ready for release anyway? Cause it sounds like the game is getting a huuuuuge update.

[The Author]

Braw does not have an abnormal development, its every other game that is messed up.

Think about how many games could have stood to get better development.

[HideousBeing]

I have never used c-sticking the whole time I have played the game (or at least not since the first time I tried it out). To me it isn't very useful because I can pull off a smash attack just as fast manually and you can't charge c-stick smashes. I think charged smashes can come in handy very often.
You may think that, but it's safe to say the C-stick is "fastest." Here's why. When you use the C-stick, you don't charge the smash attack unless you press Z, which is not something you'll do accidentally. When you do it with the control stick however, you charge the smash attack as long as you have your thumb on the A button. Smash runs in 60 fps, so unless you know you can press A for one sixtieth of a second and no more, you are charging your smash attack before releasing it, and thus, pulling off the smash attack slower.
One tends to think that simply pressing A is something done in an instant. Actually, unless you have amazing reflexes, you hold the button down for a few frames during your "press."
I would know- I play Zelda. Zelda has the quickest smash attack in the game: her down smash. It is essential to attacking a close foe quickly, because it comes out faster than her slow jab and her grab is abominably slow. I used to use the manual method, but after painful re-configuring of my brain and instincts for the move, I have found myself much quicker to the draw using the C-stick.

[ILLiterate]

^ Word life

Smash tournaments this weekend, and a CvS2 one at the same place? Praise the lord he has shown me the way

[Zup]

Hey I just read on IGN that Smash Brothers Brawl will not be in playable form at E3 this year. The same article reminded me that this game was supposed to be released with the Wii.

Yeah, uh, the whole idea with launching Smash Brothers with the Wii was that they'd make Melee online compatible and release it without any changes. The change came when Miyamoto asked Sakurai if he wanted to make a new one; he did, and then started development on Brawl. There was no way that Brawl was ever going to be a launch title; Smash Brothers could have been, but it wouldn't have been Brawl.

[Bigfoot]

I have never used c-sticking the whole time I have played the game (or at least not since the first time I tried it out). To me it isn't very useful because I can pull off a smash attack just as fast manually and you can't charge c-stick smashes. I think charged smashes can come in handy very often.

Actually, you can charge a c-stick smash. When you use the c-stick, hold down Z and you'll charge it.

[Strike911]

Hey I just read on IGN that Smash Brothers Brawl will not be in playable form at E3 this year. The same article reminded me that this game was supposed to be released with the Wii.

Now that got me thinking; why of all the franchises does Nintendo pick this game to pour all their efforts in? Why for example do they not pour such efforts in their huge franchises like Pokemon or Zelda or something like that? Why would they cancel certain games for not appealing to a wider crowd, yet put everything in SBB?

Not complaining though, as I love the series and this game will no doubt be the most amazing yet, just wondered why this game gets the extra treatment. It's been in developement for quite some time now right?
It makes sense for them to pull it back to include online options and other things, but why not do the same for other games that are now just mediocre?
Was there a finished product ready for release anyway? Cause it sounds like the game is getting a huuuuuge update.

A lot of resources are going into this game because first and foremost, it sells. Like crazy. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Smash Bros Melee was one of the best selling GCN titles ever. Additionally, the fans for this title are through the roof. So many titles are represented and diehard fans want to play as there favorite character. The combination of IP's sell. This occurred with Link being in Soul Calibre 2. The GCN version sold best, and the reason was that Link was a (OMG!) playable character. Lastly, it fits in Nintendo's 'everybody can play' motto. It's simple enough for a beginner to get into, but deep enough for people to play for years to come. I mean, look... look at what the original Smash Bros turned into. The original came out in what? 98? 99? Now Melee has lasted for 6 freakin' years and still has a huge following that still play. Myself included. This game is huge. Probably one of Nintendo's most popular games they've ever created.

Additionally, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Halo 3 are coming out soon and many analysts predict that if the Wii doesn't have a strong showing this holiday season that the PS3 or Xbox360 can catch up in sales per month. A lot is riding on this game to sustain the current sales that Nintendo has been getting since last November. I mean, store are STILL selling out. I walk into a Gamestop and someone asks for a Wii, and he's like, "well, you'll have to come back later when we get another shipment, we're out." I mean... this is months after launch and there still trying to get enough systems out. Crazy. but... yeah, they want to keep that growth with blockbuster titles, and, again, if nintendo doesn't keep churning out hi-quality titles for this holiday, people may want to play MGS4 or Halo3 or whatever else comes out. Nintendo knows Smash will sell even MORE systems.

That's why.

(waiting for update.)

[Dark Chocobo]

...yeah...whoever said that stuff about Bowser's Final Smash should be becoming Giga Bowser?

You're right.

[Rambo]

Holy freaking poo. He looks so goddamned badass. Holy. Poo.

[Strike911]

DUUUUUUUUUUDE!

Giga Bowser looks hella aweseome. The look of a cartoon-esque Bowser with round snout transforms into something that has a scary semi-real reptilian look to it is crazy awesome. Look at all the details...

So I guess you can control him? Is that the way it goes? Really sweet.

Man... I WANNA SEE THE TRANSFORMATION!!!


well...
If Ganondorf is in this game, I guess we can expect him to turn into Ganon for a Final Smash, eh?

[Jam Stunna]

well...
If Ganondorf is in this game, I guess we can expect him to turn into Ganon for a Final Smash, eh?

That would be beyond awesome. Ganon vs. Giga Bowser would be the best battle ever.

EDIT- Also, whenever Bowser transforms, the music must change to the Kooopa Theme.

[Rambo]

Hmmm.. I wonder what his fire-breath looks like.

[Bigfoot]

That would be beyond awesome. Ganon vs. Giga Bowser would be the best battle ever.

EDIT- Also, whenever Bowser transforms, the music must change to the Kooopa Theme.

Either that or he'll finally get to use his sword for once.

[KWarp]

Hmmm.. I wonder what his fire-breath looks like.

see Super Smash Bros Melee: Event 51

[Rambo]

see Super Smash Bros Melee: Event 51

Oh commooon. They glamorized everything else about him. I'm hoping his flames look even more kick ass too.

EDIT: and he's 10x cooler in adventure mode. If no other reasons than his intro, and that he's actually difficult to defeat.

[!Nekko!]

God I hope he can still grab people, throw them on the ground, and fall on them in that form too.

[Strike911]

Man, if he landed on someone in that throw, they'd have to turn flat... like a cartoon pancake flat.

I wonder just how crazy his damage is. I mean he is as big as most of the stages we've seen... his flames must cover half the area....

Yeah, i hope we get some custom Bowser music during this phase!! Maybe his music from Mario 64. ^_^

[Johnny B]

Bowser grabs a Smash Ball! TRANSFORM!

I just got back from a certain movie, and I'm hoping to see OptiMetroid Prime fight Gigatron in Transformers II. The latter will be assisted by Star FoxScream, of course.

And Ness wearing yellow looks like a Bumblebee.

[FuriousFure]

i'm a little late but... HOLY FUCKING SHIT. those words first came to mind when i saw the second picture.



wow.



now, i am going start looking for a wii and by the time this games going to be released, i'll just be finding one.

[Rambo]

I just got back from a certain movie, and I'm hoping to see OptiMetroid Prime fight Gigatron in Transformers II. The latter will be assisted by Star FoxScream, of course.

And Ness wearing yellow looks like a Bumblebee.

Nice play on words..... lawl

I saw that a couple hours before I saw this as well. They're both beastly awesome

[Dunther]

I like the Giga Bowser look but I was especting something more original than him...

[dsx100]

Oh crap, I didn't think Giga Bowser would be returning and not only is he returning but he also looks bigger and scarier. Damn, whatever you do don't let Bowser get the smash orb (unless your playing as Bowser of-course).

[Sir_NutS]

Surely Giga Bowser will return now. He'd look amazing judging by this update. Hmmm. Maybe transforming into Giga Bowser temporarily could be Bowsers Final Smash.

OMFG I want your future foreseing powers!

This update ROCKS. Giga Bowser looks awesome and this final smash will finally give me a reason to play bowser and HAVE FUN with him :D

Damn this game is looking hotter and hotter with each passing day.

[Raziellink]

Holy crap, Bowser looks scary. Really, really cool update.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Best Final Smash imo so far!
I love it :D
I wonder... If Ganondorf is in the game, what will his FS will be? (transform into Ganon maybe?)

[Ray Falling]

Best Final Smash imo so far!
I love it :D
I wonder... If Ganondorf is in the game, what will his FS will be? (transform into Ganon maybe?)

If it's his Twillight version he might summon them ghostly horse riders :)

[Vidilian]

OMFG I want your future foreseing powers!



Lol. I can't believe I got that prediction right. Me and Sakurai must think alike.

Ganon being Ganondorf's final, would be equally sexy as people have said already. Are there any other characters that could have transformations? Can't think of any.

[friendlyHunter]

Lol. I can't believe I got that prediction right. Me and Sakurai must think alike.

Ganon being Ganondorf's final, would be equally sexy as people have said already. Are there any other characters that could have transformations? Can't think of any.

Mr. L from Super Paper Mario! Yeah, Mr. L and Luigi are actually the same guy - it took me several weeks to figure it out. They left JUST ENOUGH subtle clues, without making it the slightest bit apparent at first glance. Those clever developers!

...any ideas what Pit, Fox, Wario, Yoshi, Zelda, or Metaknight might do? I'm looking at you, Vidilian!

Yoshi should totally throw bouncy eggs everywhere, like in Yoshi's Island. Would be great fun both to shoot and to dodge =)

[Bigfoot]

Fox probably calls all of his partners to blow the crap out of you.

[ILLiterate]

Mr. L is the greatest character ever that isn't Luigi

[AarowSwift]

Mr. L from Super Paper Mario! Yeah, Mr. L and Luigi are actually the same guy - it took me several weeks to figure it out. They left JUST ENOUGH subtle clues, without making it the slightest bit apparent at first glance. Those clever developers!


I'm sorry but... Your kidding right? That's sarcasm, right?

[The Author]

Fox probably calls all of his partners to blow the crap out of you.
He releases a star fox adventure sequel.

[Rambo]

He releases a star fox adventure sequel.

haha, owned.

[Strike911]

He releases a star fox adventure sequel.

Hahahahahaha. Man. That'd be hilarious if Nintendo took a shot at Rare like that. haha.

[ILLiterate]

I'm sorry but... Your kidding right? That's sarcasm, right?Yeah, it's sarcasm

[Rambo]

I pity da foo that has nothing but a wii-mote. Those controls would piss me off.

[KakTheInfected]

Wiimote+Nunchuk looking good so far.

[KWarp]

I hope Sakurai details Kirby's final smash soon. At the moment it looks rather lame. :|

[FuriousFure]

Fox probably calls all of his partners to blow the crap out of you.

if by "you", you mean EVERYONE...


classic will probably be my choice, but who knows?

[Rambo]

I hope Sakurai details Kirby's final smash soon. At the moment it looks rather lame. :|

What!? Why you hate'n on the cooking pot!?
What would you prefer? Giga-bowser kirby? .... wait a sec.... 8-O

[Strike911]

Lame update... -_-

I mean, its kinda nice to see control schemes, but .... meh.

[Dhsu]

Hm, interesting way to compensate for the lack of buttons on the Wiimote...use MORE of them. :)

Though I think the more important revelation here is that analog control is not absolutely needed to play a Smash game. Smash Bros. DS anyone?

[KakTheInfected]

Only downside of a DS game would be how horrible it would look (and difficult to see) on large stages when the camera zooms out.

...yes I know, just use small stages, but where's the fun in that?

[Dhsu]

That's been a problem in all the Smash games I think...and often the characters are actually obscured by the damage counters. Hope they fix that with at least some sort of transparency effect in future games.

[KWarp]

What!? Why you hate'n on the cooking pot!?
What would you prefer? Giga-bowser kirby? .... wait a sec.... 8-O
What would I prefer... (http://www.creativeworlds.net/Gifs/Crash_Test.gif)

[atmuh]

What would I prefer... (http://www.creativeworlds.net/Gifs/Crash_Test.gif)

id actually prefer the mike attack number 3 from super star

[Strike911]

What would I prefer... (http://www.creativeworlds.net/Gifs/Crash_Test.gif)

hahahaha. Well, while that is pretty hilarious, I gotta admit... I think the Kirby final smash will be really interesting and fun to watch and not so bad once we get our grimey little paws ahold of Smash Bros Brawl. :)

[Lord.Roderick.i]

...

...any ideas what Pit, Fox, Wario, Yoshi, Zelda, or Metaknight might do? I'm looking at you, Vidilian!

Yoshi should totally throw bouncy eggs everywhere, like in Yoshi's Island. Would be great fun both to shoot and to dodge =)
Im thinking that Zelda will shoot the light arrows at everyone; and Warrio will have his Nuclear like fart.

[Effector]

id actually prefer the mike attack number 3 from super star

Wow, I actually agree with atma for once.

Im thinking that Zelda will shoot the light arrows at everyone; and Warrio will have his Nuclear like fart.

I hope not - Wario has so many awesome things to pull from I'd find it kind of dull for two of this attacks to be wasted on farting.

[Ray Falling]

Yoshi should summon the Yoshi-stampede we saw in Melee's intro/Paper Mario 2 :)

x_x Death by too many Yoshi x_x

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Wow, I actually agree with atma for once.



I hope not - Wario has so many awesome things to pull from I'd find it kind of dull for two of this attacks to be wasted on farting.
Yeah you're right on that one. Then I'd like some Wario Land series moves.

[BardicKnowledge]

Smash DS would be a great idea, and it'd work fine -- Jump Ultimate, anyone?

[FuriousFure]

Smash DS would be a great idea, and it'd work fine -- Jump Ultimate, anyone?

Smash DS would be awesome!


as for the capabilities of the nintendo DS, use 2d sprites (somewhat like Mario & Luigi: PiT) on a multileveled background.

so it look a bit different but it would way sweet and it would use the solowiimote controls but would actually have 4 buttons so you could jump.

and maybe kirby will use a randomly chosen final smash. one could be Mike, the other UFO, another could be Wheel... there are a LOT of possibilies. i'm hoping for a varied final smash. it'll keep you on your toes!

[Sir_NutS]

It's clear that kirby, from the e3 trailer, will have the "cook" as his final smash. How this would work? well I think that after he pulls the smash and the cooking bowl appears, it starts pulling the characters that are close to it, sort of like a vortex, and if they do fall in, kirby leeches health from them (as opposed to turning them into food)

Also I think that if the e3 trailer was any indication, wario's final smash will be a massive fat of nuclear proportions, which I would be fine with :p

I wonder what pit final smash will be. Most likely he'll summon an army of centurions, just like in the game. Needless to say, that would be awesome =D. If someone remember my rants (from where I used to troll this kind of threads a lot, in search of massive lulz) I've been eagerly waiting to see pit reborn in a new game, and it might be one of the main reasons I'll be getting his game, so I really hope his character doesn't sucks XD

[The Author]

Pit may transform in a warrior wearing all the items of Palutea.

[Sir_NutS]

Pit may transform in a warrior wearing all the items of Palutea.

http://www.flyingomelette.com/kidicarus/pics/wingedpit.gif
With unlimited flight? I'd take that.

[Vidilian]

Sorry guys, I've recieved a personal email from Sakurai himself telling me not to make any more predictions. Ruins the surprise.

I will say this about final smashes though. The Pit idea above is probably right, Wario's will probably be Warioware based and Zelda may use some powerful magic spell. That is all.

[SetzerGabbiani]

Sorry guys, I've recieved a personal email from Sakurai himself telling me not to make any more predictions. Ruins the surprise.

I will say this about final smashes though. The Pit idea above is probably right, Wario's will probably be Warioware based and Zelda may use some powerful magic spell. That is all.

I apologize, but I dont want to dig to figure out why he would tell you to stop making predicitions...Out of curiousity, may I ask why? and If I am not too late I saw on IGN Today (it was posted today) That the Smash Bros Controls Are Revealed...Heres the link:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/801/801587p1.htmlhttp://wii.ign.com/articles/801/801587p1.html

[Drack]

Sorry guys, I've recieved a personal email from Sakurai himself telling me not to make any more predictions. Ruins the surprise.

I will say this about final smashes though. The Pit idea above is probably right, Wario's will probably be Warioware based and Zelda may use some powerful magic spell. That is all.

WHAT? Do you or do you not have insider information? If not, then your predictions are no better than ours - You guessed right, that's all. I don't see why they should be disallowed, as we're all just hyping the game.

Or are we only allowed to make predictions if we've never got one right? This makes no sense.

[wormguy]

WHAT? Do you or do you not have insider information? If not, then your predictions are no better than ours - You guessed right, that's all. I don't see why they should be disallowed, as we're all just hyping the game.

Or are we only allowed to make predictions if we've never got one right? This makes no sense.

Guys, sarcasm really isn't that hard to understand.

[Drack]

Usually, sarcasm's supposed to be funny.

I guess I overestimate human stupidity.

[Vidilian]

Yeah it was a joke... No need to call me stupid (don't know if thats what you were going for there. I'm not the brightest so I'm not sure what you meant by that)

[Sir_NutS]

lol, totally lack of brains to understand sarcasm. I wouldn't expect less from you guys.

keep 'em coming.

[Drack]

Yeah it was a joke... No need to call me stupid (don't know if thats what you were going for there. I'm not the brightest so I'm not sure what you meant by that)

No, I wasn't calling you stupid. After all, you made the accurate prediction ;).

My point was that I thought there was a greater probability of the stupid event you described to be true than for you to be sarcastic. Hence, I overestimated human stupidity.

Must be because I was reading about politics just before your comment. ;)

[ThE Sa-X]

I hope Sakurai details Kirby's final smash soon. At the moment it looks rather lame. :|

I'm sorry but I had to pull this up.

Kirby's Cook move was one of the funniest moves in the kirby series. I can just picture the effect of him grabbing the ball, putting the chef hat on, then clanking his spatula and tongs together while each other character jumps into the pot against their will. And I do agree, the move will probably heal a little bit of kirby's health.
However I do also hope that his final smash will have some randomness to it so that he could get many different options (e.g. the mike moves).

[Rambo]

I'm sorry but I had to pull this up.

Kirby's Cook move was one of the funniest moves in the kirby series. I can just picture the effect of him grabbing the ball, putting the chef hat on, then clanking his spatula and tongs together while each other character jumps into the pot against their will. And I do agree, the move will probably heal a little bit of kirby's health.
However I do also hope that his final smash will have some randomness to it so that he could get many different options (e.g. the mike moves).

You know what would be the absolute shit? If kirby's final smash was entirely dependant on who he has copied.
And even FREAKING cooler if he could COMBINE two copies in this game. EH? How come no-one's thought of this.

[DeathBySpoon]

Man, I booted up the old Smash Bros. 64, and it was suprisingly fun. Anyone here play it online?

[friendlyHunter]

Man, I booted up the old Smash Bros. 64, and it was suprisingly fun. Anyone here play it online?

Nintendo would be wise to release SSB on the Virtual Console.... and then add online multiplayer for the Virtual Console....

[wormguy]

I kick about ten times as much ass in SSB64 than in Melee. I play at least once a week with my buddies, and we've been doing that for about 4 years. I would buy that on VC so fast.

[atmuh]

this seems to be like the new version of onett
but with holes in the stage periodically

i hated onett

[JackKieser]

Can't say it doesn't look gorgeous, though...

--Jack Kieser

[StarZander]

I wonder how much damage you'll recieve from the giant blocks of stone that gets teleported in to fill in the holes. I mean... You'll get hit by them eventually, right?

[Rambo]

Gorgeous was the word I was gonna use too. In any case, people were saying they wanted an original map. This is pretty original. Completely flat, no edges to fall off of, and a recurring hole in the center. Very new. Very cool.

[Dhsu]

Whoa! Just like the original game!

[Aninymouse]

It's like... Up Smash Theatre. It's also absolutely gorgeou- oh. I guess that's a pretty common first reaction, huh?

[Rambo]

Whoa! Just like the original game!

I "lol"ed at that too. :lol:

[FuriousFure]

man, i know this hype thing is supposed to be a bad thing... But, COME ON! how do you find things to complain about so easily. this game is going to be b-e-a-utiful!

[friendlyHunter]

I think it's gorg- oh wait.

this seems to be like the new version of onett
but with holes in the stage periodically

i hated onett
I'm... not seeing any resemblance. In fact, the two stages couldn't really be more different. The terrain is flat. I mean, really flat. And the enemy leader, King Bulblin, makes cameo appearances. Occasionally, he uses bombs to blast holes in the stage. But don’t worry. The missing chunk will be magically transported via portal to fill in the gap.


[Edit]
Wow, every time I post here it seems to appear at the start of a new page. Coincidence? Or evil scheme to take over the world???

[Neo Samus]

Well for those of you that wanted more interactivity in the stages just got their wishes answered.

"The terrain is flat. I mean, really flat."
You don't say Sakurai, you don't say!

Edit: Friendly Hunter: I'd say the later of the two. Just keep me on your good side. :wink:

[JackKieser]

You... *points at friendly hunter* you're good you!

[/sarcasm] (Just in case...)

--Jack Kieser

[Soodey]

I'm... not seeing any resemblance. In fact, the two stages couldn't really be more different.

Almost as good as the comparison from the ign wii boards...

level looks ok, extremly plain! i don't like it at all, it's like battle field, just take out all the colour extend it, take off the platforms and add a hole sometimes.

really meh, but at least it's a new stage!

[Ralphis]

So how long until we get to see Little Mac now?

[friendlyHunter]

Almost as good as the comparison from the ign wii boards...

Woah, that one's WAY off. I think it's more like Corneria from Star Fox 64, but you're fighting on a bridge instead of flying in a ship.

[Strike911]

cool looking level, I really hope the interactivity with holes showing up is exciting and interesting. Looks good so far. Interesting level. =) The background looks great!!

[ThE Sa-X]

I see it more as a Flat Zone x2-3 with an added hole in the stage every so often.
I like it. It seems to have solved the problem with flat zone; not the concept, having no edges at the end of the screen, but the fact that the level was so small.

[Rambo]

I see it more as a Flat Zone x2-3 with an added hole in the stage every so often.
I like it. It seems to have solved the problem with flat zone; not the concept, having no edges at the end of the screen, but the fact that the level was so small.

That was a great level for characters who can whore a powerful throw. :smile:

......God did I hate that level.

[Ray Falling]

I was hoping for a stage like this. Just something big where you can brawl tons and really get into high percentages of damage before knocking someone off screen. And then have something make a hole in it so things get more dangerous.

I really, really think I'll like this stage.

So Zelda wise, they're pretty much going for anything Twillight it seems. So Twillight Ganondorf should be next as playable character?

[BigBoss]

I really very much hope this level has the earlier posted Zelda song. If so, that is the new Final Destination hands down.

So how long until we get to see Little Mac now?

Hopefully not much longer. =D

[The Author]

I fear that levels may become too animated and random and the tourny players will complain.

[Ray Falling]

I fear that levels may become too animated and random and the tourny players will complain.

Nah, I think the makers of the game are really keeping them in mind too. There are sure to be many stages that are perfect for tournament play :)

>_> Then again, there is always something to complain about...

[megadave]

From what I've observed of the levels, I don't think that they will be any more animated than what we had previously. I mean, Flat Zone and Onett were the only levels on Melee without gaping holes to fall into. And a bunch of the stages were scrolling or had some type of enemy chasing you around.

But, I may be wrong and I think that a lot of the hardcore Melee players will be pissed off for a variety of reasons based on the fact that it won't be the same game.

[dsx100]

Man another really nice looking stage. The bridge breaking and resurfacing idea is pretty cool. However, I would have to agree that some of the more hardcore tournament players might get upset with the direction these stages are taking. A lot of friends back at school never liked playing at any other stages other than poke stadium, final destination, and Hyrule Temple. I personally love playing at Brinstar and Mutecity and it would piss them of when I picked those places. However, I am also sure there will be more neutral stages to be revealed. Battlefield already looks like a nice neutral stage.

[Drack]

To me, it seems to most closely resemble Poké Floats or perhaps Rainbow Cruise but instead of dynamic platforms on a moving stage you just have a bridge. </dripping sarcasm>

Edit to avoid a double post: I always preferred Fountain of Dreams to Battlefield. Even though the platforms protected you from fewer up-smashes, the music was so much better, and it was oh so pretty ;)

I always found stages that didn't have gaps on the ends irksome. As long as there's a nice Final Destination, though, I think this stage will be plenty fun. Look how long it is, too. From the pic with the orc guy, it looks like he will hit players as he runs by, that's probably why Atma was drawing the comparison with Onett.

[Sir_NutS]

Nice stage, I like this idea.

[megadave]

I like it too. I bet that there will be another Hyrule stage too (from Twilight Princess, that is).

[Airwalker]

I could see the second Zelda stage coming from Wind Waker, just because I believe they have to place some big reference from that game in here.

[Scufo]

What's all this talk about tourney players complaining about the stages? You guys do know that this is the first stage revealed that doesn't look tournament neutral, right?

[Bigfoot]

Nah, I think the makers of the game are really keeping them in mind too. There are sure to be many stages that are perfect for tournament play :)

>_> Then again, there is always something to complain about...

I think I remember reading somewhere on Smashbros.com that he said if you think your character will play the same as it did on Melee, then think again. I'm sure that's something they'll complain about from the get-go.

[eternal Zero]

I think I remember reading somewhere on Smashbros.com that he said if you think your character will play the same as it did on Melee, then think again. I'm sure that's something they'll complain about from the get-go.

I'm sure as hell I will if I don't get the same precise movements I used to get out of Samus...then I'll test all of the characters I can and find one I like even better in no time then think about feeling stupid about complaining in the first place but then decide not to because I'm just like every other stupid consumer that way. =D

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I think I remember reading somewhere on Smashbros.com that he said if you think your character will play the same as it did on Melee, then think again. I'm sure that's something they'll complain about from the get-go.

The biggest and the heaviest of fighters, Bowser has a slightly different flavor this time around!
To be honest, there are a LOT of characters that offer a slightly different flavor this time around. If you think they’re all going to be the same as they have been, it’ll be rough for you.
Is that what you were talking about?

[Bigfoot]

Is that what you were talking about?

Yeah, that's it. I had it wrong then.

[Global-Trance]

Bridge of SICK.

Love the Twilight Princess map! :)

[Sag Ee Mana]

Maybe we can interact with King Bulblin when he comes, in order to prevent him using a bomb... well, no, he will be invincible. Surely.

[Broken]

Steve, may I just say, you have the best last name ever.

YOU WIN!
(probably heard one a million times before)

[BigBoss]

Who the hell cares about 'tournament neutral'? If the stages are fun to play on, that's what everyone should care about.

[Cerrax]

man, i know this hype thing is supposed to be a bad thing... But, COME ON! how do you find things to complain about so easily. this game is going to be b-e-a-utiful!

We forone, the amount of content in this game is ultimately hurting its "beauty". Look at the bridge. Its the same boring textures we've seen a million times. The characters look great, but the stage are pretty bleh. From far away they look nice, but up close they're mediocre at best. Don't even get me started on the assist trophies. Samurai Goroh looks like an N64 spat him out. I'm just as excited as every one else about SSBB, but it seems that the Wii may be actually pulling the graphics behind the GC to fit all the crap they want in this game. I have yet to hear the fully orchestrated music we were promised at the site's launch last year. The tunes are great arrangements, but the sound quality is terrible compared to SSBM.
[/rant]

[atmuh]

man, i know this hype thing is supposed to be a bad thing... But, COME ON! how do you find things to complain about so easily. this game is going to be b-e-a-utiful!

cant know that until you play it

and pretty doesnt mean good

[anne amère]

wanna wii but can't get no wii i have the wii blues

[Miletus]

I must be one of the few non-tournament/'serious' players that really likes the manic, fighting-the-level-as-much-as-the-other-players moving stages that involve a certain amount of luck. They all look like pretty damn rad stages so far.

[ILLiterate]

I think I remember reading somewhere on Smashbros.com that he said if you think your character will play the same as it did on Melee, then think again. I'm sure that's something they'll complain about from the get-go.Dumb statement, it's a new game, it's a fighter so it needs to be tweaked, only scrubs will complain about that shit, everyone else will learn to deal with it and still destroy you

[Bigfoot]

We forone, the amount of content in this game is ultimately hurting its "beauty". Look at the bridge. Its the same boring textures we've seen a million times. The characters look great, but the stage are pretty bleh. From far away they look nice, but up close they're mediocre at best. Don't even get me started on the assist trophies. Samurai Goroh looks like an N64 spat him out. I'm just as excited as every one else about SSBB, but it seems that the Wii may be actually pulling the graphics behind the GC to fit all the crap they want in this game. I have yet to hear the fully orchestrated music we were promised at the site's launch last year. The tunes are great arrangements, but the sound quality is terrible compared to SSBM.
[/rant]

Wow, what kind of n64 did you have? That's pretty impressive if the N64 could display something like that.

I don't know what you have against the music. I think they sound great so far, especially the Ocarina of Time Medley.

Just wait until the game is released, and I'm sure you'll be pleased.

But yeah, from time to time me and my friends love playing Hyrule Temple to really beat the crap out of each other.

[linkspast]

I must be one of the few non-tournament/'serious' players that really likes the manic, fighting-the-level-as-much-as-the-other-players moving stages that involve a certain amount of luck. They all look like pretty damn rad stages so far.

Nope I love the chaos... But its all about getting a mix of everything.... So When are they going to tell us when they will tell us when the delay date is?

[anne amère]

i'm hoping for some cubone bone bone

[BigBoss]

Look at the bridge. Its the same boring textures we've seen a million times.

its called stone :roll:

[friendlyHunter]

Ha! Indeed =)


i'm hoping for some cubone bone bone

I know this is completely unrelated, but that reminded me of Earthbound for a second.
Do you know whose bones are on display here? The answer is...your bones. My bones. Bone's bones. Bone bone bone.
They should totally have a Moonside stage!!! =O It'd be the third-trippiest thing ever!!!!
"If you stay here too long, you'll end up frying your brain. Yes, you will. No, you will...not. Yesno you will won't."


...Also, a Lost Woods stage still seems likely. It ties in with the OOT medley, and the lost woods in TP seemed like the perfect fit for a SSB level (lots of high up places and big holes).

...... I'm just hoping they don't start releasing assist trophies in the daily updates. There's so much better stuff to release, and having as many surprise trophies as possible in-game would be a good thing =)

I'm wondering what they're gonna do for any new F-zero levels. It'd be interesting to fight at the same angle (relative to the track) as the Mute City stage, but instead you're standing on the cars.

[Kiyosuki]

They kinda watered down the koopa kids recently to make 'Baby Bowser' I think, so that'd probably be it. Him, or that female magikoopa.

Yeah I know. But hey they did get mentioned in his Melee trophy and SSB is all about nostalgia. I mean, they have Pit in there as a playable so I think anything is possible.

I'm coming a bit late into this but on Final Smashes, the one that racks my brain the most is Snake's. Its kind of a tough one to think about. Someone I know suggested that maybe just like in MGS, Grey Fox could come out of nowhere to back him up (complete with the bloom-filled cinematic moment where he's jumping in from the air towards Snake.) as a second character for a limited time. Different from Assist trophy's in that Fox can do a lot more than just one action and he stays on longer, helping to attack whoever Snake (who's still fully playable) attacks with slices, high jumps, lasers and all that good stuff.

[KWarp]

There should totally be a thread where we caption pictures in the style of Sakurai... :roll:

[!Nekko!]

Made a black hole tonight. It was hilariously low fps fun.

[Strike911]

Yeah I know. But hey they did get mentioned in his Melee trophy and SSB is all about nostalgia. I mean, they have Pit in there as a playable so I think anything is possible.

I'm coming a bit late into this but on Final Smashes, the one that racks my brain the most is Snake's. Its kind of a tough one to think about. Someone I know suggested that maybe just like in MGS, Grey Fox could come out of nowhere to back him up (complete with the bloom-filled cinematic moment where he's jumping in from the air towards Snake.) as a second character for a limited time. Different from Assist trophy's in that Fox can do a lot more than just one action and he stays on longer, helping to attack whoever Snake (who's still fully playable) attacks with slices, high jumps, lasers and all that good stuff.

Snake, eh? Would not be surprised if gray fox shows... but I also wouldn't be surprised if a slightly smaller Metal Gear Rex shows up either (maybe a little larger than Giga Bowser) and blows the living hell out of everyone on screen with missiles, lasers, and ...... monkeys.

I wanna see Snake's alternate costumes. Here's hoping for Liquid, Old Snake, and MGS1 snake as alternate costumes. :)

[Ralphis]

This little theory of mine fails when you see that they haven't mentioned anyone that could replace the Ice Climbers. Anyone got any ideas of what could fit that build? I can't think of any really good ones...which saddens me because I loved that concept.

This is a quote from a page way back but I'm just really catching up on everything. Anyway, Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong come immediately to mind.

[Ero Elohim]

Yeah I know. But hey they did get mentioned in his Melee trophy and SSB is all about nostalgia. I mean, they have Pit in there as a playable so I think anything is possible.

I'm coming a bit late into this but on Final Smashes, the one that racks my brain the most is Snake's. Its kind of a tough one to think about. Someone I know suggested that maybe just like in MGS, Grey Fox could come out of nowhere to back him up (complete with the bloom-filled cinematic moment where he's jumping in from the air towards Snake.) as a second character for a limited time. Different from Assist trophy's in that Fox can do a lot more than just one action and he stays on longer, helping to attack whoever Snake (who's still fully playable) attacks with slices, high jumps, lasers and all that good stuff.

Possibly just summons a Metal Gear. Wouldn't really be like Snake, though.

It should be what I said much, much earlier in the thread:

Metal Gear Rex falls onto the stage. Grey Fox leaps onto it, slicing parts off (which fly wildly and can damage opponents). The MG-Rex eventually swats Grey Fox and Snake pulls out his Stinger. Grey Fox declares "FIRE THE STINGER!" and you push A to blow up the Gear.

I'd love it.

[Ray Falling]

Team Rocket :) With silly nets and contraptions to capture Pikachu.

[Sir_NutS]

Team Rocket :) With silly nets and contraptions to capture Pikachu.

=)

___________

[Airwalker]

Team Rocket :) With silly nets and contraptions to capture Pikachu.

Meowth, that's right!

[Ray Falling]

Meowth, that's right!

They could have Meowth as a counter move, like Peach uses Toad. :) And when you star KO them they'll do that famous line I only know in Dutch n_n

So many possibilities

[Final_metroid]

I think it'd be better to use them as an assist tropy

[Ray Falling]

Works for me too :)

In that case my vote goes to Diddy and Dixie to "replace the Iceclimbers".

[DeathBySpoon]

I know it'll never happen, but I want Gray Fox as a playable character for the sole reason of having an event match where you play as Snake vs. Fox with only A button attacks and proximity mines scattered about everywhere.

But really, having Fox come to assist Snake for his FS isn't a bad idea at all. That or a Metal Gear coming are probably the two most likely I can think of.

[RocketSniper]

Works for me too :)

In that case my vote goes to Diddy and Dixie to "replace the Iceclimbers".
I thought Diddy and Dixie were Rare-owned characters. It would explain their absence in the earlier games...

[DeathBySpoon]

I don't think so, they were in some of the Mario sports titles, weren't they?

[Ray Falling]

I thought Diddy and Dixie were Rare-owned characters. It would explain their absence in the earlier games...

They're also in Donkey Konga, the new DK Jet game and they've had their games ported over to GBA. Plus, their trophies showed up in Melee. I'm sure they can work it out :)

[Red Shadow]

Great idea to have before falling asleep: what will samus' stages be like?

Here's hoping for some dark aether craziness

[Bigfoot]

Magmoor Caverns would be pretty sweet.

[Brithor]

It has already been said but the Chozo Temple from Metroid Prime would make a perfect stage.

[Ray Falling]

I'm more curious about the mini games we'll get in between fights.

Break the targets is simply classic, so there's a big chance we'll see that back.

Reach the finish (pathetic that I played this game just yesterday and not know what they really call it...Race to the finish? :)) has also been there in both Smash games but in Melee it was updated.

Not sure they'll have the trophy collecting thing again, so that bonus game isn't garantueed to be in there...

I'm hoping they'll keep at least break the targets and also include many mini game modes like Melee had.

I rather liked all that and also the collectign of trophies and getting all the silly bonuses (in fights).

On one hand I want Brawl to be a really new game (which it is of course and looking very awesome already), but I also like those classic things that made Melee very awesome.

Off course I'll settle for equally awesome, completely new things.

My guess is though that they'll update the site up to the point that they've covered everything we've seen so far in the trailers and a handful of new stuff, but we won't find out the rest untill we actually play the game.

I wouldn't really want to know EVERYTHING before it comes out.

As for a Metroid stage: if they're using Samus' Metroid Zero Mission design, it is likely that we will get stages from said game. Though to me not as epic as say, Prime one or Super Metroid, Zelda seems to be getting the same treatment.

The place where you fight Ridley in Prime 1 would make a lot of sense, but there's not much you can do with a round platform besides giving it the usual 2, 3 extra platforms in the air.

The waiting continues :)

EDIT: Btw, I must say that this team who's working on the Smash Brothers franchise is one of the few teams I have immense faith in. I get the feeling they won't let me down on this game and we really only had two games in the series yet.
Same can be said about Retro, who are doing an ace job on Metroid so far.

[Arrow]

I thought Diddy and Dixie were Rare-owned characters. It would explain their absence in the earlier games...

Nintendo made sure all the Donkey Kong related characters (including all of the Diddy Kong Racing lineup except Conker and Banjo) were in their trademark camp before they let go of Rare. Including any of them in Brawl wouldn't be an issue.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I would really like the Step on the Platforms game from the N64 Smash to make a comeback.
And I'd love for Dark Samus from MP2 to be an Assist Trophy. I think I'd be really cool.Or maybe even the 2nd form of Mother Brain from Super Metroid, they might even throw Kraid in there, although he's to big, I'm sure they can make it work :)

[Drack]

Board the Platforms would be nice.

Some other features from N64 smash I'd like to see are animations when you select a character (like the "woo woo" for luigi), custom animations at the start of a battle (like C. Falcon getting out of his car), those personal touches were missing from melee.

[Jam Stunna]

Old, but I never saw it posted here:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290

Sakurai announced Bowser Jr., the "Celda" version of Link, and Ridely, the archenemies of Samus, would all be joining the cast of characters for the Wii release.

We've also, unfortunately, learned of three current characters that will not be returning: The Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and Young Link have no home in SSBB. We don't know who exactly will take their place just yet, but Sakurai stated he wants a roster 40 deep, with 1-2 more non-Nintendo characters.

Can we really trust the French?

[Wipomatic]

Old, but I never saw it posted here:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290



Can we really trust the French?


It's a very old rumour that was refuted quite a while ago.

[watkinzez]

Nintendo made sure all the Donkey Kong related characters (including all of the Diddy Kong Racing lineup except Conker and Banjo) were in their trademark camp before they let go of Rare. Including any of them in Brawl wouldn't be an issue.

Almost; any character that isn't a Kong or a Kremling in DKR (ie. everyone except Diddy and Krunch) is owned by Rare. Seventh letter down. (http://www.rareware.com/extras/scribes/25jun07/index.html)

[Hum4n After All]

Board the Platforms would be nice.

Some other features from N64 smash I'd like to see are animations when you select a character (like the "woo woo" for luigi), custom animations at the start of a battle (like C. Falcon getting out of his car), those personal touches were missing from melee.

This is exactly what I wanted back.
I thank you for saving me the time to type this.
Spot on.
+5 awesome points.

[Arrow]

Almost; any character that isn't a Kong or a Kremling in DKR (ie. everyone except Diddy and Krunch) is owned by Rare. Seventh letter down. (http://www.rareware.com/extras/scribes/25jun07/index.html)

The embarrassing part is that an e-mail I personally sent was answered in that Scribes, so I'd read all those letters before. How I then totally forgot this one is beyond me.

[Brithor]

they might even throw Kraid in there, although he's to big, I'm sure they can make it work :)

If we got a giant Nintendog to be an assist trophie why would Kraid be too big?

[Kiyosuki]

I know he's a fan favorite many want in, but I still have trouble seeing Ridley as a playable character in this. As an assist trophy sure, anything's possible there but as a playable it just seems kind of hard to imagine. Not saying I hate him or anything like that, I don't. And if he were in there I wouldn't complain either but I just have trouble seeing him work as a playable.

[Cerrax]

If we got a giant Nintendog to be an assist trophie why would Kraid be too big?

Its not a giant Nintendog. It normal size, it takes up the whole screen because it is supposed to be hanging onto the camera lens to block the view.

[Dunther]

Board the Platforms would be nice.

Some other features from N64 smash I'd like to see are animations when you select a character (like the "woo woo" for luigi), custom animations at the start of a battle (like C. Falcon getting out of his car), those personal touches were missing from melee.

I hope that would come back too

[Kiyosuki]

Oh yeah the individual entrances is something I'd definitely also want to see come back.

[Brithor]

Its not a giant Nintendog. It normal size, it takes up the whole screen because it is supposed to be hanging onto the camera lens to block the view.

Ohh, I see.
Doesn't look like it's hanging though lol.

[Ray Falling]

And so conversation is going in circles again *sigh* Darn weekends :p

Ooo, at least it's E3 time soon :)

[FuriousFure]

And so conversation is going in circles again *sigh* Darn weekends :p

and Items don't unbalance the game! jk lol.


anyways... yeah the weekends make smashbros.com followers go crazy.


i'm hoping for an awesome intro vid for one of these updates, like what they did with melee.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

And so conversation is going in circles again *sigh* Darn weekends :p

Ooo, at least it's E3 time soon :)
I just hope that we'll see more new stuff and the release date :D

[Critical Hit]

RELEAAASE DAAAAAAATTE....plz

[Bigfoot]

I just want a release date. I don't want any info on unlockable characters or stuff like that. I want it to be a surprise to me, lol.

[BigBoss]

I know he's a fan favorite many want in, but I still have trouble seeing Ridley as a playable character in this. As an assist trophy sure, anything's possible there but as a playable it just seems kind of hard to imagine.

It's not that hard to see. A few of the characters are actually scaled up or down from their canonical sizes to be fitted into the playable character mold (i.e Bowser, all of the Pokes but Mewtwo, Kirby, MetaKnight), so it'd be pretty plausible to just rescale him to around Bowser's size.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Just 8 more hours for the update :P

[Ray Falling]

I just want a release date. I don't want any info on unlockable characters or stuff like that. I want it to be a surprise to me, lol.

Ya know what would really surprise me? If they'd say at the end of the whole show: "oh and btw, you can pick up Smash Bros. Brawl in stores tomorrow..."

0_0; It'll never happen, but I want someone to pull a stunt like that at least once in my lifetime.