Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[FlagshipAmadeus]

The symbol to the left of the title of the post is not the smash symbol, but a leaf. Perhaps this means that there is indeed a playable AC character in the game? (Seeing as both stages and assist trophies so far that are associated with playable characters use such symbols instead of the smash one)

[Effector]

Good eye. I hope that's really the case.

Nook for Brawl 2007.

[FuriousFure]

one thing i noticed with the donkey kong/animal crossing updates were the lighting and shadows.

in the previous maps and character updates the lighting effects didn't really grab my attention. maybe its just me but i'm only now noticing them.


assist trophies don't produce any shadows and all the playable characters do. so if theres any confusion just look for a shadow.

[Dunther]

New symbol = new universe involved = new characters?

[The Mutericator]

That was my favorite stage as well, but it wasn't really flat, at least not like these. These are all pretty much the same, a small platform, with one centered floating platform or two floating platforms on the side. BORING.

I agree, hopefully they're just saving up the really fun stages as surprises.

[wormguy]

I agree, hopefully they're just saving up the really fun stages as surprises.

Yeah. So far all we're seeing are flat platform stages. Even the Animal Crossing level doesn't take place on the ground. It takes place on a floating platform. Floating in the sky. Oh well.

[Imagery]

Nook for Brawl 2007.

You can see him in the background of the first screenshot. Not likely he'll appear as a fighter.

[Effector]

You can see him in the background of the first screenshot. Not likely he'll appear as a fighter.

Don't ruin my fun. D:

[Solid Krono]

The symbol to the left of the title of the post is not the smash symbol, but a leaf. Perhaps this means that there is indeed a playable AC character in the game? (Seeing as both stages and assist trophies so far that are associated with playable characters use such symbols instead of the smash one)

I think the symbol each level gets has more to do with the level itself, and if there's a playable character that matches the level, it has that same symbol as well.

[Makai]

Maybe you can make your own character with your Mii?

I think Miis will replace the wiremen/fighting polygon team.

[Dunther]

I think Miis will replace the wiremen/fighting polygon team.

Woooo that would be really cool! :D

[Yasuhiko]

I think Miis will replace the wiremen/fighting polygon team.

That would be pretty awesome, have some pre-rendered Miis and ones on your remote/Wii. Though I admit I laugh at the prospect of playing against my friend's Miis..... namely Hitler.

[DeathBySpoon]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.

[The Mutericator]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.

Him and Michael Jackson, yeah...

[The Author]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.


Nope.

I do however have a Nice Mii.

[Ero Elohim]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.

I have both a Hitler and a Jesus Mii.

We played them against each other in Wii Tennis once.

[friendlyHunter]

I don't have a Jesus, Nice guy, nor a Hitler Mii... >: #[

Miis would be great in the game, as long as their heads are big enough for you to see their faces. I made Mario and Luigi Miis, so Mario fighting against his Mii counterpart would be kind of bizzare.
"Take THAT Mii Mario! So long, hatless Wario! Bust THIS, Adam and Jamie! See you in hell, me!"

...No, I don't actually yell out insults at the fighting polygons ;-)


Here's something to think about: the Samurai Goroh assist trophy update has a Captain Falcon symbol. The Sim City guy update has the smash symbol. So, it's likely the symbol either means there's a character from that series, or there's a character OR stage from the series. My money's on the latter.


And I'd have to agree, this stage seems to be the most unoriginal yet (it's like Yoshi's stage, but without the things that make the Yoshi stage interesting). It's like there's 10 identical stages - each more identical than the last!
Anyone think it'll automatically download a new "live performance" for that stage every week? That'd be something.... something that's kinda dumb, but a thing nonetheless.

That'd be the best thing ever if there was an Earthbound "Runaway Five" Stage stage where the performers attempt to sing and play while you're killing each other on stage. And you could kick the performers into your opponents, whilst the music dynamically changes based on which singers/musicians are getting "knocked for a loop". If they can pull off a beautiful Starfox space battle, they could definitely make that concept happen =]

Any guesses for a Wario stage? I'm guessing it'll be one of the places where you do Wario minigames (the place it shows in between each minigame).... either that or, y'know, a flat platform floating above Diamond City :roll: But then random crap would happen every ten seconds. What's this, the ship from space invaders shooting up through the floor? Look out, all the players are shooting bananas out of their noses! Giant noses fall from the sky, causing mass devastation! You smash your opponent off the left side of the stage - he's eaten by a gigantic cat! ....or a stage where the games' speed gets progressively faster and faster =O

[Makai]

I think the smash symbol just means that game doesn't have a symbol. I really doubt the existence of a Sim City symbol ;)

[Antipode]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.

Haha yeah, me too. Mine is called "Hiitler".

[Codycrusader]

I think the AC stage is by far the most awesome stage I've seen yet, even if it is a clone of Yoshi's stage. They should make Castle Town in TP a playable stage, that fountain is the main platform and you can hit the people that run around and crap, but that's just me..

[atmuh]

mister freaking resetti

[Airwalker]

Haha yeah, me too. Mine is called "Hiitler".

I named mine Mr. Hilter after my favorite Monty Python skit.

[Strike911]

My Hitler is really small. I call him Mini-Hitler. Although, I can't remember his official name on my Wii... I think it was just Hitler. But... he's so little and chibified and cutesy. Seriously, you don't know whether you should pinch his little cheeks or raise your hand for the Nazi cause.

[Zeklan]

So...
Let's say we get 1 new character reveal a week.
As of this post there is 17 weeks to Dec 3. (3 weeks taken off for the 3 veiled confirmed characters)
So 17 more characters, plus the 13 already confirmed.
30 characters plus secret characters.
I'm guessing 35, give or take a few.

[friendlyHunter]

Let's say we get 1 new character reveal a week.
Your reasoning behind this is...? Not saying "You're wrong!!", I'm just curious.


It's caption time!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/donkeykong/donkeykong_070712a-l.jpg

Zelda: "Stop staring at DK's butt and save me already!"
Link: "Well excuuuuuse me, Princess!"

[Dhsu]

I don't think DK's butt is the one he's staring at.

[Arrow]

Your reasoning behind this is...? Not saying "You're wrong!!", I'm just curious.

I'm moderately wondering about this myself. I mean, with Melee, we didn't find out the full roster until a month after the game's release. I doubt Sakurai will post the entire roster before release. Maybe half.

[Rambo]

I think every single person who owns a Wii has a Hitler Mii. Seriously.
Hahaha, I didn't know that. But I certainly have one. :grin:
It was the first one I made. As soon as I saw you could shrink the mustache, I abandoned the one I was making in favor of Hitler. And renamed him "Hail" as soon as I saw that the name came up in a speech bubble on the Mii menu. heh...

In any case, dunno if anyone else noticed... but it looks as though thats another new map design. One platform that appears to translate left and right. At least that's what it looks like from the different pictures they gave. Maybe dependent on the time of day?

[Ray Falling]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/donkeykong/donkeykong_070712a-l.jpg

Oh man, DK has a real shock coming to him when he finds out Zelda really is Sheik... >_>

[Lord.Roderick.i]

So...
Let's say we get 1 new character reveal a week.
As of this post there is 17 weeks to Dec 3. (3 weeks taken off for the 3 veiled confirmed characters)
So 17 more characters, plus the 13 already confirmed.
30 characters plus secret characters.
I'm guessing 35, give or take a few.
I dont think they will give us only 5 secret characters, I'm thinking at least 10.

[!Nekko!]

Anyone else got Gene Hackman on their Wii? Didn't think so.

[Codycrusader]

I've got Whoopi Goldberg, Micheal Jackson, and the dad off of Oblongs

[Imagery]

In any case, dunno if anyone else noticed... but it looks as though thats another new map design. One platform that appears to translate left and right. At least that's what it looks like from the different pictures they gave. Maybe dependent on the time of day?

Hm... I didn't notice that before, but you're right. It does look like the platform is in different positions for each screenshot, and even entirely out of the picture for a couple of them. Whether the platform simply moves back and forth regularly or changes very slightly with each minute of the day is pure speculation, but unless the screenshots are extremely misleading then the platform definitely is not stationary.

[DeathBySpoon]

Does anyone really want 30+ characters? I'd much rather a smaller, more well balanced roster that does without some characters from Melee than just adding a bunch more on top. Melee had tons of characters, anything more than that seems like overkill to me. Would anyone truly miss Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and Roy? I'm talking the characters themselves, not their playstyles. If any characters are removed / replaced, I'm sure there will be some other character that has a similar style in place.

[Rambo]

Does anyone really want 30+ characters? I'd much rather a smaller, more well balanced roster that does without some characters from Melee than just adding a bunch more on top. Melee had tons of characters, anything more than that seems like overkill to me. Would anyone truly miss Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and Roy? I'm talking the characters themselves, not their playstyles. If any characters are removed / replaced, I'm sure there will be some other character that has a similar style in place.

If the characters are well balanced, no harm will come from having more of them. Sure I'd rather have more balanced characters, but if they do just as good a job, with even more of them, then sweet.

Mewtwo, Pichu, Game & Watch and Iceclimbers are all unique ideas for characters. Pichu being limited with his own damage. Gameand watch being 2-D. Mewtwo.... k well really, I just like how he holds items with him mind. That looks REALLY freaking cool. And I WOULD definitely miss that. lol
Anyway, the only ones I'd REALLY miss losing are the IC. The idea of varying your play style depending on whether you have one or two, and the ability to combo + double team all by yourself. Very cool concept that might be lost If they're removed.

Like you said, I wouldn't necessary miss any of them for their characters, but the I don't know who they could replace the IC with... and even If they did, they'd just be criticized for new character being a "clone" of the old IC.

[Airwalker]

Does anyone really want 30+ characters? I'd much rather a smaller, more well balanced roster that does without some characters from Melee than just adding a bunch more on top. Melee had tons of characters, anything more than that seems like overkill to me. Would anyone truly miss Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and Roy? I'm talking the characters themselves, not their playstyles. If any characters are removed / replaced, I'm sure there will be some other character that has a similar style in place.

I'll take whatever they give me. Masahiro Sakurai could package the game within his own excrements and I would buy it and kiss it.

[Red Shadow]

i just

i just want to hear about ness

where is he

they cant take him out

they mustnt

[Critical Hit]

I'll take whatever they give me. Masahiro Sakurai could package the game within his own excrements and I would buy it and kiss it.


This man speaks the truth!!

[HideousBeing]

Does anyone really want 30+ characters? I'd much rather a smaller, more well balanced roster that does without some characters from Melee than just adding a bunch more on top. Melee had tons of characters, anything more than that seems like overkill to me. Would anyone truly miss Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and Roy? I'm talking the characters themselves, not their playstyles. If any characters are removed / replaced, I'm sure there will be some other character that has a similar style in place.
Haha, you have no idea.

[cobaltstarfire]

Does anyone really want 30+ characters? I'd much rather a smaller, more well balanced roster that does without some characters from Melee than just adding a bunch more on top. Melee had tons of characters, anything more than that seems like overkill to me. Would anyone truly miss Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Mr. Game and Watch, and Roy? I'm talking the characters themselves, not their playstyles. If any characters are removed / replaced, I'm sure there will be some other character that has a similar style in place.

I would miss Mewtwo, he was fun to play as, and well it's Mewtwo, the pokemon fan in me feels that he was a pretty nifty addition.

Game and Watch would be missed too, he's so crazy and fun to play with just for giggles.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they were removed, but yeah I would miss the characters, both the way they play and the characters themselves.

[BigBoss]

i just

i just want to hear about ness

where is he

they cant take him out

they mustnt

Ness-1

Lucas +1


Also: Deoxys For Brawl

[DJ Tempora]

Ness-1

Lucas +1
Get that shit outta here.


NESS 4 LYFE

[Codycrusader]

The only character I could see leaving and feel no emotion for is Young Link.
The only character I could see joining and feel true happiness is for Zant from TP... or at least the mailman, his Final Smash can be PAPER CUT!!!

[atmuh]

The only character I could see leaving and feel no emotion for is Young Link.
The only character I could see joining and feel true happiness is for Zant from TP... or at least the mailman, his Final Smash can be PAPER CUT!!!

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[I-n-j-i-n]

Is it just me or does the new control scheme sound like a dumbing down of the original controls? Now you don't have to press buttons anymore. Just hold them. eh..

[The Mutericator]

Is it just me or does the new control scheme sound like a dumbing down of the original controls? Now you don't have to press buttons anymore. Just hold them. eh..

One instance doesn't actually qualify as a dumbing-down, methinks. Not that there's terribly much to Smash controls in the first place...

[Eckerson]

Is it just me or does the new control scheme sound like a dumbing down of the original controls? Now you don't have to press buttons anymore. Just hold them. eh..
One instance doesn't actually qualify as a dumbing-down, methinks. Not that there's terribly much to Smash controls in the first place...


And it's not that holding down the button will do anything special. In the example, it says hold to do continuous jabs, press repeatedly to initiate a combo. So they didn't get rid of the "Press the button a bunch of times to do rapid attacks," but they diversified it a little.

[OA]

When this game comes out I am going to be having friends over for matches every saturday night if it's really true that KK shows up in the animal crossing stage. I was really hoping he'd be playable, but this will certainly do. :-)

[I-n-j-i-n]

And it's not that holding down the button will do anything special. In the example, it says hold to do continuous jabs, press repeatedly to initiate a combo. So they didn't get rid of the "Press the button a bunch of times to do rapid attacks," but they diversified it a little.

The thing is, it was much more of a concerted effort to pull off moves even if they were pretty simple 'press buttons again and again' types. It helped add the fanaticism to the action a bit, button mashing in panic and whatnot.

Now people will just sit there and hold buttons.. I bet pro players will opt for button presses for speed or optimal accuracy or any of that 'pro level' BS.

[BardicKnowledge]

The Animal Crossing stage rocks -- hopefully we see some more gems before too long. C-Island, anyone?

[Mastertoku]

I'm thinking that - in order to promote Goddess of Dawn at the same time - they might put in either the Black Knight or Sothe. Thoughts?

[Eckerson]

The thing is, it was much more of a concerted effort to pull off moves even if they were pretty simple 'press buttons again and again' types. It helped add the fanaticism to the action a bit, button mashing in panic and whatnot.

Now people will just sit there and hold buttons.. I bet pro players will opt for button presses for speed or optimal accuracy or any of that 'pro level' BS.

True, which makes me wonder if there will be some other side effect to just holding down the button. Like, the combo of button mashing will do slightly more damage.

Another thing I wonder is how this will affect doing smash attacks. Since you could charge the smash attack previously, if you're off on your timing, you'll go into the continuous punch.

[Thylacine]

i just

i just want to hear about ness

where is he

they cant take him out

they mustntI highly doubt that. Ness can be used too well by a skilled player for elimination and it's way too popular of a game. But while I'm waiting for the update, I'll pose this question: What if Ness were replaced by either Paula or Poo? You could still do the same attacks, of course, and the roster gets freshened. The only thing that changes is the character.

Note that I say WHAT IF, so don't start stating this across the 'net as fact.

[BigBoss]

I'm sorry, Mr. Sakurai. But that song didn't appear in Melee. It is, in fact, an arrangement from the original Star Fox for the SNES, whilst the two Star Fox musical tracks from Melee were actually from Star Fox 64.

[JackKieser]

Hmm... I thought it sounded a little familiar. Maybe the WHOLE song wasn't in Melee, but I do remember some of it, I think, from Corneria.

--Jack Kieser

[Ralphis]

I'm sorry, Mr. Sakurai. But that song didn't appear in Melee. It is, in fact, an arrangement from the original Star Fox for the SNES, whilst the two Star Fox musical tracks from Melee were actually from Star Fox 64.

No, sorry dude. You're wrong about that. This is a rearrangement of the music from Corneria in melee which was a medley of music from the original Star Fox.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I like this arrangement better than any other posted so far, but as an update on a Monday imo gets a score of:
meh

[Strike911]

I'm diggin' the arrangement; cool stuff, nice memories of the first StarFox... but then again... where's the real orchestra that helped make SSBM's soundtrack so stellar?

I like the arrangement though.

And yes, a different arrangement of this song was indeed in Smash Melee... particularly halfway through the Corneria music it plays as an extension to the StarFox theme. Listen to it. It's there. Although, it is a little different from the source.

Can you dig?

I like the fact that they're elaborating on somewhat obscure pieces of music instead of adding these songs to themes and such.... like they did in Melee with this song. From my observations, it appears at least, that this song is indeed just by itself and not tacked on to anything else, which is cool. *cross fingers for more old references to old songs*

cool arrangement, digging the pumped sound, but nothing entirely special.... err, rather, nothing to piss myself over.

[Yasuhiko]

I like the fact that they're elaborating on somewhat obscure pieces of music instead of adding these songs to themes and such.... like they did in Melee with this song.

Agreed, such as the use of many different songs in the medley. I wonder though, what song will they use for Solid Snake and (if there is one) his Metal Gear Solid stage?
Also, I don't think the Bridge of Eldin and the aforementioned medley really mesh well.... It needs a deeper and (as you mentioned) more orchestrated feel.

Honestly? I can't wait till (what I'm sure will be) a Smash Brothers major Project begins.
Sadly, I don't have enough experience or skill with music to contribute, though I want to. :cry:


On an unrelated note, what do you all think of the fact that Sheik is unmentioned as part of Zelda? Do you think Zero Samus has taken over that role? It just hit me as a possiblity, though many people (myself included) would be sad.

[Critical Hit]

On an unrelated note, what do you all think of the fact that Sheik is unmentioned as part of Zelda? Do you think Zero Samus has taken over that role? It just hit me as a possiblity, though many people (myself included) would be sad.

Welcome to 20+ pages ago.:-P

But in all seriousness, I'm definitely psyched about this update. I was just playing through Starfox SNES a couple of days ago and was blown away by (my rediscovery of) that theme, and why it hasn't gotten more attention..until now, that is. As for the "real orchestra" comments that have been rife throughout the thread since the daily updates began, I have to say that I personally am caring less and less. It's video game music people. When I feel like just listening something for pure enjoyment and entertainment, it's my video game soundtracks that I reach for, and not very many of them have real orchestras backing them up. It always surprises me when friends comment on the sound quality, because I don't even notice. It all adds to it, I think. As long as those themes that I've spent so much time listening to and being a part of are there, it really doesn't matter to me whether it's general midi or the Boston Pops that are playing them.

Sure, in this day and age it probably isn't that much to ask for to have a live orchestra playing the soundtrack, especially considering the game (and the cast of composers on the job) we're talking about is smash brothers for god's sake. Splurge a little bit, Nintendo!! Really at the end of the day though, we're all gonna go about and buy the game, it'll be a huuuuge hit, and more fun than peeing in the shower to boot. As long as these classic themes are there to remind me of where all these great characters are from, and what made them great, I'll be ecstatic.

[Fishy]

I'm just waiting for Captain Falcon to be announced. I won't be completely happy with this game unless that happens. He embodies the entire point of the game, which is to greatly piss off your friends.

[BigBoss]

No, sorry dude. You're wrong about that. This is a rearrangement of the music from Corneria in melee which was a medley of music from the original Star Fox.

No it wasn't. The Corneria music was the track that plays on Venom in SF64.

Edit: Now that I think about it, though, it was the same song in SF for Venom. Either way, it was only the one song, not a medley.

[OA]

The Animal Crossing stage rocks -- hopefully we see some more gems before too long. C-Island, anyone?

You are wise in your ways. C-Island or anything from Startropics would be more than welcome in a smash game.

[Scufo]

I'm diggin' the arrangement; cool stuff, nice memories of the first StarFox... but then again... where's the real orchestra that helped make SSBM's soundtrack so stellar?

I'm pretty sure SSBM's music wasn't orchestrated. I may be wrong of course, but I remember that being one of the very few aspects of the game that people would complain about.

[Cerrax]

Melee WAS NOT ORCHESTRATED, but the music wasn't straight midi like the stuff they've shown us on the website. The music played at Corneria is a mix of Venom from SNES, Space Armada from SNES and, the StarFox theme from SNES. The music played at Venom is actually the main theme from StarFox 64. For a forum about video game music, why is it no one has recognized these tunes correctly?

[Broken]

I'm just waiting for Captain Falcon to be announced. I won't be completely happy with this game unless that happens. He embodies the entire point of the game, which is to greatly piss off your friends.

Amen.
Even though I hate Falcon simply becayse he always rapes my peach, I know what you mean.

[eternal Zero]

Melee WAS NOT ORCHESTRATED, but the music wasn't straight midi like the stuff they've shown us on the website.

This is true. What is causing most of this confusion over the manner is that there was a concert where they played fully orchestrated version of SSBM songs.

[mDuo13]

I guess I'm behind the times, because I'm still going crazy over the Zelda medley.

[Steben]

I'm just waiting for Captain Falcon to be announced. I won't be completely happy with this game unless that happens. He embodies the entire point of the game, which is to greatly piss off your friends.

FAL-COOOOOOOOOOOOLN!

...

PUNCH!



Also, my favorite character for pissing people off is Game & Watch. My strategy is flawless. Run away, and then keep hitting the taunt button. This will force your opponent to come after you (or go insane), and you can take advantage of that to send them flying with a Smash attack.

[Amayirot Akago]

FAL-COOOOOOOOOOOOLN!

...

PUNCH!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw&mode=related&search=

Final Smash? I'd like to think so!

[GameBrain_vX]

Aren't the title songs for Melee and Brawl orchestrated? And what about the DK Rap? Everybody loves that one. ;)

I agree that most songs in the game should be orchestrated. Music from Zelda, Kid Icarus, Kirby, and Starfox are deserving of a human band. DK, Pokemon, and perhaps Mario would also benefit from an orchestral treatment. Music from Metroid, F-Zero, and Sonic are probably better suited for midi tracks.

[JackKieser]

Personally, I betting that:

A) the sound quality up on the site is not what will be in the game. Mr. Sakurai is simply putting up a MIDI version to give you a basic idea.

B) because the theme to the game has that awesome live recording, but we've also heard that very not-live version in the trailers, not all the songs will be live orchestrated, if any really are.

--Jack Kieser

[KakTheInfected]

I know I'm late to the party but SNES Star Fox music ftw.

[atmuh]

for the love of god nintendo why do you keep pissing me off with starfox music
the only starfox song ive wanted since the original smash bros was the ORIGINAL corneria theme
this new one is ok at best

[BigBoss]

Melee WAS NOT ORCHESTRATED, but the music wasn't straight midi like the stuff they've shown us on the website. The music played at Corneria is a mix of Venom from SNES, Space Armada from SNES and, the StarFox theme from SNES. The music played at Venom is actually the main theme from StarFox 64. For a forum about video game music, why is it no one has recognized these tunes correctly?

Because it wasn't a god damn medley it was JUST Venom's theme. So play the fucking game and see.

[cobaltstarfire]

I thought a couple of the Melee songs were played by a live orchestra, or maybe they were just done really really well in a synthesizer, because some of the songs played at the live thing sound about the same in the game (only a bit slower). Why would they give credit to an orchestra in the end credits of the game if they hadn't used it some?

I dunno I guess maybe they were all just electronic...

[friendlyHunter]

for the love of god nintendo why do you keep pissing me off with starfox music
the only starfox song ive wanted since the original smash bros was the ORIGINAL corneria theme
this new one is ok at best

Woah. Seconded.

All the starfox songs in Smash Bros. have been, in my opinion, total crap compared to the original songs (especially compared to the SNES Corneria theme). Practically every remix that I hear of Starfox music (e.g. on this site or others like vgmix) is amazing compared to the stuff they put in Smash Bros. I don't get how they haven't been able to turn the amazing source material into something that's slightly beyond mediocre. I'm bunching this new song (or at least the first 48 seconds of it) in with the past disappointing Smash Bros. work...



And yes, let's hope the stuff on the site is just "midi" quality compared to the stuff that'll actually be in the game...
Though, sequenced midi-type music has its place. I was surprised to learn that the impressive Metroid Prime 1 soundtrack was all sequenced.... though I'm not sure if I actually believe that's true =P


Those "main theme" song(s) in the second trailer (and in the 15 second "trailer") - I REALLY hope it's in the game. It'll probably be in one of those single-player-type levels (the Brawl equivalent of "Final Destination" or the one you fight the wireframes on).


C-Island Stage? Ohhh yeeeah! Hell, I'd even take a platform that floats high above C-Island. A more fitting stage might be fighting on top of the Sub-C though. With dolphins! =D

Now HERE's a stage:
http://startropics.classicgaming.gamespy.com/st_screenshots/5.jpg
Possibly the greatest first boss on the NES ever. Even its death animation rivals the bosses of today's games.



[Edit]
Woah, wouldn't it be insane if Brawl had water that didn't instantly kill you (or that does something beyond obscuring your view with a splash)? They could have water that makes you float up slowly when you're in it - basically it's safe to go in, but it makes you vulnerable (perhaps you're unable to attack or dodge). And if someone hits you down into water hard enough, you'll hit the "bottom" and get KO'd. All the water in Melee I thought was pretty dumb, it pretty much ruined those stages...

[Imagery]

Does anyone else feel like they're getting hoodwinked with the music updates? I mean, as nice as it is to appreciate the music apart from the game, I'd rather do so after experiencing the music within the game, not in small samples months before the game's release. More real updates, Sakurai, for God's sake.

(He's waiting on the game just as much as the rest of us... :???:)

[ILLiterate]

Woah, wouldn't it be insane if Brawl had water that didn't instantly kill you (or that does something beyond obscuring your view with a splash)? They could have water that makes you float up slowly when you're in it - basically it's safe to go in, but it makes you vulnerable (perhaps you're unable to attack or dodge). And if someone hits you down into water hard enough, you'll hit the "bottom" and get KO'd. All the water in Melee I thought was pretty dumb, it pretty much ruined those stages...
Not really, Jungle Japes can completely destroy you if your opponent knows what he's doing and plays Falco or Fox. Not only can you very quickly use the illusion attacks to quickly get across the stage, but you can fall in the water and firefox, so by the time you get out you're on the other side of the stage

It's a good trick and very useful in certain situations

[Yasuhiko]

Not really, Jungle Japes can completely destroy you if your opponent knows what he's doing and plays Falco or Fox. Not only can you very quickly use the illusion attacks to quickly get across the stage, but you can fall in the water and firefox, so by the time you get out you're on the other side of the stage

It's a good trick and very useful in certain situations

That's why I love Sheik on that level. One needle and poof, you're screwed.

[Ninja-san]

Does anyone else feel like they're getting hoodwinked with the music updates? I mean, as nice as it is to appreciate the music apart from the game, I'd rather do so after experiencing the music within the game, not in small samples months before the game's release. More real updates, Sakurai, for God's sake.

(He's waiting on the game just as much as the rest of us... :???:)

I agree. I couldnt really picture a fight going on with the Zelda theme untill the last few seconds. More like a trailer theme. Having that list of composers is really great but just based on the music I think nintendo is over doing it too much.

[The Mutericator]

Does anyone else feel like they're getting hoodwinked with the music updates? I mean, as nice as it is to appreciate the music apart from the game, I'd rather do so after experiencing the music within the game, not in small samples months before the game's release. More real updates, Sakurai, for God's sake.

(He's waiting on the game just as much as the rest of us... :???:)

How many months until the game comes out? Sakurai has to stall for all he's worth, since he's got about one-hundred fifty updates between now and the release (when you take out weekends).

[Arek the Absolute]

TOTALLY DIGGING THE NEW TUNE!
Starfox goes OLDSCHOOL! Glad they pay homage to the ORIGINAL starfox.

[Neo Samus]

I'm loving the new (old) Star Fox tune!! I'm also getting annoied with some of you whining about *no live*. In all honestly not all the music in SSBM was live either, a lot was but not all. I'll give you a couple to think about, Brinstar depths, fight with the Metal bros., eathbound. This is just off the top of my head. I know there is more. But my point is, just because Sakurai hasn't played any piece's that are live does not mean none of it will be.

[Jaybell]

for the love of god nintendo why do you keep pissing me off with starfox music
the only starfox song ive wanted since the original smash bros was the ORIGINAL corneria theme
this new one is ok at best

Agreed, since that's the only song I know and remember from starfox.

[Ralphis]

Because it wasn't a god damn medley it was JUST Venom's theme. So play the fucking game and see.

Are you talking about the Corneria stage? If you are you really need to go relook things over. I just listened through the soundtracks to confirm. Corneria clearly has SNES star fox music INCLUDING the Main Menu theme from the original.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

And finally what people were asking desperately for:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/images/mball03/mball03_070717a.jpg
(right?)

[NeoForte]

Hyper Beam!

Is it sad I instantly knew he was in Attack Form? LOL :P

[FuriousFure]

And finally what people were asking desperately for:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/mball/images/mball03/mball03_070717a.jpg
(right?)

FINALLY! thank goodness. now i don't have to pay attention to any more updates anymore. *whew*

[atmuh]

the move hes using sucks
no on will get hit by it

[Lord.Roderick.i]

the move hes using sucks
no on will get hit by it
Maybe it creates an explosion, but they forgot to show it properly in the picture. :P

[Eulogic]

the move hes using sucks
no on will get hit by it

yeah too bad there's no way to punch or throw another character into the line of fire

[Yasuhiko]

I'm loving the new (old) Star Fox tune!! I'm also getting annoied with some of you whining about *no live*. In all honestly not all the music in SSBM was live either, a lot was but not all. I'll give you a couple to think about, Brinstar depths, fight with the Metal bros., eathbound. This is just off the top of my head. I know there is more. But my point is, just because Sakurai hasn't played any piece's that are live does not mean none of it will be.

Not so much *no live* than it is a lack of depth. The tunes are good, no doubt, but they lack that feel that makes me want to listen to them again and again. They sound artificial at some points, particularly the intro to Starfox (which picks up well) and the late-midpoint of the Zelda medley (though the ending is nicer). It's not something I can express more tangibly than a lack of depth or feel.

I dunno, just my two cents. Live performances generally have that feel, I guess because there is such a sheer number of instruments compiling.

Edit: I will admit though, that Ridley Remix has potential, even if the intro (which is all that clip is) is a bit annoying. here's to hoping all the other clips fare better.
Edit: I take that back, the intro to the medley fits well with the Bridge of Eldin, even if Epona's song, etc. don't.

[Ray Falling]

yeah too bad there's no way to punch or throw another character into the line of fire

That crazy idea alone is enough to make for an entire NEW game!

[Arrow]

No it wasn't. The Corneria music was the track that plays on Venom in SF64.

Edit: Now that I think about it, though, it was the same song in SF for Venom. Either way, it was only the one song, not a medley.

The Corneria music in Melee was a three song medley, all from SF SNES. Venom, then a short portion the game's general theme, followed by the ending section of Space Armada. Ralphis is telling the truth, partially.

Are you talking about the Corneria stage? If you are you really need to go relook things over. I just listened through the soundtracks to confirm. Corneria clearly has SNES star fox music INCLUDING the Main Menu theme from the original.

No, they're talking about Corneria's theme in the original game.

[FuriousFure]

the move hes using sucks
no on will get hit by it

hahaha... you're funny.


well, how bout if the pokemon actually targets people with the beam so at least one person gets hit by it.

[eternal Zero]

hahaha... you're funny.


well, how bout if the pokemon actually targets people with the beam so at least one person gets hit by it.

This isn't much different than Snorlax or Ho-oh or Onix. It happens in an area for a set duration that acts as a column spanning from top to bottom. It works. If you want to complain about one, complain about Lugia and Aeroblast. That sucked.

[Global-Trance]

I can't wait for the FOOD item update.

...

[The Author]

I'm expecting a F.L.U.D.D. item.

[BigBoss]

Fuck I wanted Deoxys to be playable.

[Dunther]

Fuck I wanted Deoxys to be playable.

Me too :-(

[Red Shadow]

i didnt

[Yasuhiko]

I wonder about Deoxys' hyper beam though...
If you use bowser or DK to carry someone into it, will they fly off or take a TON of damage for extended time? hehehe....

[Strike911]

I wonder about Deoxys' hyper beam though...
If you use bowser or DK to carry someone into it, will they fly off or take a TON of damage for extended time? hehehe....

Dunno, what happened when you did that in Melee??? I never played DK enough to carry someone into a powerful attack like that. I'm actually really curious now...

[Yasuhiko]

Was there a beam to carry them into?
I know of no one that plays DK either, so I'm just going to have to try it myself.

Edit: I do remember one time someone playing bowser threw his victim into the path of an oncoming super scope that belonged to his victim's teammate. That was classic FF goodness.

[JackKieser]

Holy crap, Samus' Final Smash is AWESOME. As is throwing broken Chozo armor... I figured that's how we'd play Zero Suit based off the early trailer, but damn... that's just way prettier than I thought it would be.

--Jack Kieser

[Strike911]

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeato! Samus's Final Smash!!!!!!!! And you can freakin' throw the armor. That's a pretty cool touch.

but I still wonder about transforming from Zero Suit Samus to regular armored Samus or if the Final Smash IS the way to transform or what?

cool stuff. I can dig it. That's one crazy huge laser!

This is a good update. :)

[JackKieser]

It looks like you stay Zero Suit Samus until you die or something. That could be good or bad, depending on how she plays; if you are in a long fight and Samus tactics aren't working, then you have a whole other moveset with her to try out. Could be very advantageous.

--Jack Kieser

[Dunther]

ZSSamus can be used only after a Final Smash...and when she loses a life? She will turn Samus or remain ZSSamus?
And if is it true that Final Smashes can be used once a time in a match?
Men...it's so confusing...

The pieces of armor that you can pick it up are a cute idea :) i like it...

[Wipomatic]

ZSSamus can be used only after a Final Smash...and when she loses a life? She will turn Samus or remain ZSSamus?
And if is it true that Final Smashes can be used once a time in a match?
Men...it's so confusing...

The pieces of armor that you can pick it up are a cute idea :) i like it...

Maybe if ZSSamus does a Final Smash, her suit comes back?

[Dunther]

Maybe if ZSSamus does a Final Smash, her suit comes back?

Woa...it's possible...maybe you can select Samus or ZSSamus first and than they change when you use a final smash....

It's strange but could work...

[mister_pup]

Maybe if ZSSamus does a Final Smash, her suit comes back?

maybe she can crystal flash back into her power suit?

[FuriousFure]

can't you Final Smash only once per game? or is it per Final Smash item?


that beam is amazing tho. holy crap and i thought her missles from melee were cool!

[Wipomatic]

can't you Final Smash only once per game? or is it per Final Smash item?


that beam is amazing tho. holy crap and i thought her missles from melee were cool!

I'd guess it's per Final Smash item. That sounds the most logical to me.

[Binjovi]

I always thought it'd be the most interesting if the smash balls were only obtainable once per fight. That way everyone would really be scrambling to get their hands on it. But whatever. The description on them wasn't very clear at all.

[atmuh]

if this is the only way to be zero suit samus that is gay as balls

[eternal Zero]

if this is the only way to be zero suit samus that is gay as balls

I hear you there. I stated a while ago that if it was a switch due to final smash then you'd totally ruin the characters ZSS/Samus. I really hope the speculation about picking one or the other to start is true and then a final smash just changes them. That being said, I really hope they play similarly...and/or ZSS is strictly superior to Samus.

[Sir_NutS]

if this is the only way to be zero suit samus that is gay as balls

I bet that, like with sheik, you will be able to select her from the start.

Does this means this will be the new character with the zelda/shiek mechanic instead of zelda? I'm going to guess it's the case.

[dsx100]

One of my fears has been realized. Samus not a being seperate character from Zero Suit Samus. The whole changing mid-mathcn thing is stupid if you ask me. However, its not the end of the world either. Their are some upsides to it.

First its unique, I don't think any other character will have something like this happen to them. Second maybe Samus's Final Smash is so powerful, this was the only way to balance it out. Final, and most importantly, it adds a big element of strategy to Samus. You can play it safe and play as Samus the whole match or risk it by doing the final smash, getting everyone you possibly can and just finish the match as ZS samus.

All-in-all cool update. I got to admit though, the Zero Laser looks awsome. Even more awsome than it was in the trailer.

[friendlyHunter]

The Final Smash is a secret skill that can be performed but once...
You heard the man: "once". After you use it, you have to go and buy another copy of the game.

(I'm still guessing it's once per life though)

I'm curious if any other characters will change at all after doing a final Smash.... I'm really hoping though that ZSS plays somewhat similarly to regular Samus, and has no major disadvantages (either that or there's a way to switch back). I definitely hope they don't take attention away from regular Samus's moves though - two lame "half characters" for Samus would be terribly disappointing =(

[Kiyosuki]

I'm very happy that the beam wasn't wussified at all for its in game appearance.

On the subject of Sheik, they've been sticking Zelda in a lot of screenshots I noticed. I bet its to really taunt people with the question of whether she can change or not, since Sheik was pretty popular in SSBM.

I'm probably thinking too much into this but I wonder if Zelda appearing in that last screenshot was a subtle hint. They've said one of the ways (as far as we know) you can get Zero Suit Samus and its not a change on the dime thing like Sheik...so maybe that could mean...

[The Mutericator]

I'm very happy that the beam wasn't wussified at all for its in game appearance.

On the subject of Sheik, they've been sticking Zelda in a lot of screenshots I noticed. I bet its to really taunt people with the question of whether she can change or not, since Sheik was pretty popular in SSBM.

I'm probably thinking too much into this but I wonder if Zelda appearing in that last screenshot was a subtle hint. They've said one of the ways (as far as we know) you can get Zero Suit Samus and its not a change on the dime thing like Sheik...so maybe that could mean...

I think now you're just getting desperate for information on the topic.

[Effector]

I think you all missed the true point of the update, which was clearly:

"Don’t fire! Do NOT fire that laser!

Why? ...Well, because it really hurts!"

Also, darn. I was hoping for Samus and ZSS to be different characters, but I did ask for something new from old characters. Be careful what you wish for.

[Imagery]

I'm very happy that the beam wasn't wussified at all for its in game appearance.

On the subject of Sheik, they've been sticking Zelda in a lot of screenshots I noticed. I bet its to really taunt people with the question of whether she can change or not, since Sheik was pretty popular in SSBM.

I'm probably thinking too much into this but I wonder if Zelda appearing in that last screenshot was a subtle hint. They've said one of the ways (as far as we know) you can get Zero Suit Samus and its not a change on the dime thing like Sheik...so maybe that could mean...

hey guys what if zelda's final smash is called "make a deal with zant" and all of a sudden the stage changes into a twilight form, each stage has a twilit version

lol nd then if theres gannondorf in the game she turns into puppet zelda and starts floatin n stuff

what do u think about that what huh wut

I think you all missed the true point of the update, which was clearly:

"Don’t fire! Do NOT fire that laser!

Why? ...Well, because it really hurts!"

Also, darn. I was hoping for Samus and ZSS to be different characters, but I did ask for something new from old characters. Be careful what you wish for.

omg r u implying that sakurai is hinting at a new peripheral for the wiimote that latches onto your skin and makes you 'feel' the game by shocking you for every hit you take???

'omg it hurtz stop shooting mee!!'

holy shit that's cool huh what do u think huh wut

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Wait, what the fuck? The only way to use Zero Suit Samus is after a final smash?

That's fucking stupid.

[megadave]

I think that it's kinda cool. Oh yeah, we've known about this for six months now anyway.

[Makai]

Maybe if ZSSamus does a Final Smash, her suit comes back?

Or maybe it overrides her skinsuit and all of her clothes fall off. I never liked the idea of Zero Suit Samus appearing in Brawl. Samus' Final Smash just seems like an excuse for her to get nekkid! Be on the lookout for a Soul Calibur 2-esque crossover to Dead or Alive.

[Penfold]

Wait, what the fuck? The only way to use Zero Suit Samus is after a final smash?

That's fucking stupid.

I agree. If she were a separate character, that'd be one thing...but now she's just gonna be a dumbed down version of Samus after she uses her final smash, so it basically punishes you for getting the final smash.

[Yasuhiko]

I think that it's kinda cool. Oh yeah, we've known about this for six months now anyway.


you do have a point, Samus uses her final smash in one of the old trailers and you can see everything coming off....

[FuriousFure]

you do have a point, Samus uses her final smash in one of the old trailers and you can see everything coming off....

and you see wario riding his bike. so i guess that shouldn't have been surprising to see it show up in the game.


OMG! that means only one thing. Snake's Box (E3 '06 trailer) is most likely going to be in the game. sweet!

also if we want to take it further, MetaKnight is going to have somekind of invisibility defensive move to block projectiles. (probably very similar to kirby's Down B move)


EDIT: does "why? ...well, because it really hurts" mean that the Zero Beam will inflict Self-Damage like pichu?

[Neo Samus]

Here's something to think about. Even though at the moment the only *current* way to play as ZZS is through Samus' final smash, but she could be a hidden playable character as you complete more of the game.

[eternal Zero]

I agree. If she were a separate character, that'd be one thing...but now she's just gonna be a dumbed down version of Samus after she uses her final smash, so it basically punishes you for getting the final smash.

Be careful what you say. It is dumb that you can't use her w/o final smash. But by no means does that mean she's "dumbed down". For all you know, the only real disadvantage she has is that she loses range, but maintains her awesome close-range combat capabilities. Regardless, I stated this in the beginning and I'll say it again: Binding a complete character to a move that cannot be accessed at will is stupid. If there were a transformation move, ala Zelda/Sheik, then it's fine because you can switch whenever you want and you don't have to become good with one in order to be good with the other (although you ought to become good with both to be competitive, but I digress). Putting it onto an item which presumably can be (and probably will be, in competitions) turned off, then you've completely eliminated an awesome idea. I've been pretty happy with all of these updates so far, but this is the only one that hints at massive failure.

[anclunn]

Putting it onto an item which presumably can be (and probably will be, in competitions) turned off, then you've completely eliminated an awesome idea.

Now here's a crazy idea. Maybe items could be on during competitions. Or better yet, Nintendo is trying to make a fun game and sees the Smash Brothers tournament as a form of play that uses their game like a mod and not the pure or true Smash Brothers because some grass-roots fan community seems to think so.

[Red Shadow]

I have a feeling that you can still choose to play as either one at the beginning of a match.

[megadave]

Be careful what you say. It is dumb that you can't use her w/o final smash. But by no means does that mean she's "dumbed down". For all you know, the only real disadvantage she has is that she loses range, but maintains her awesome close-range combat capabilities. Regardless, I stated this in the beginning and I'll say it again: Binding a complete character to a move that cannot be accessed at will is stupid. If there were a transformation move, ala Zelda/Sheik, then it's fine because you can switch whenever you want and you don't have to become good with one in order to be good with the other (although you ought to become good with both to be competitive, but I digress). Putting it onto an item which presumably can be (and probably will be, in competitions) turned off, then you've completely eliminated an awesome idea. I've been pretty happy with all of these updates so far, but this is the only one that hints at massive failure.

I don't think that one perceived imperfection with Samus is going to lead to a massive failure.

Seriously, we don't even know all of the conditions of the game yet.

Why worry so much about this?

[Imagery]

I don't know about anyone else, but it seems to me that the armor sticking around (and being interactive, no less) is a good indication of the potential for two-way transformation. I'm also willing to bet tomorrow's update will shed a little more light on ZSS, so as megadave says, there's really no reason to be freaking out about it right now.

[eternal Zero]

I understand that not all of the details have been given yet, and this is Sakurai's intention, but I'm just a little on edge about it because Samus is my main character for ownage. My bad.

The reason I think that this has potential for massive fail is that if this is the -only- way to play ZSS then there may be a way to completely eliminate a character from even being played...which disappoints me.

[DJ Tempora]

I understand that not all of the details have been given yet, and this is Sakurai's intention, but I'm just a little on edge about it because Samus is my main character for ownage. My bad.

The reason I think that this has potential for massive fail is that if this is the -only- way to play ZSS then there may be a way to completely eliminate a character from even being played...which disappoints me.


I think it'll be okay. I have a feeling Zamus will be gimped (not Sheik-like as everyone has been assuming this whole time) but I still think she'll be selectable at the character screen by holding down the Z button, ala Sheik.

[Kiyosuki]

I think now you're just getting desperate for information on the topic.

Heh, like I said I'm probably thinking too much into it. But I do still bet Sakurai is dangling the question at the end of a hook so to speak since the character was pretty popular.

I bet with the suit there will be at least a way to "jettison" it off with a certain button combination or something, I can't imagine them programming a whole character just to regulate her to a single items' use. Doesn't make much sense to me. Either that or if you think about it, if they really really beef up Samus' speed and give her some undeniable strengths over standard Samus (as well as some disadvantages of course.) then if it is just after the Final Smash it may not even have to be seen as a "punishment".

Another possibility is that beam looks really really powerful so maybe it could be more powerful and deadly than your average Final Smash, and the suit coming off is to just balance that out.


This isn't that important, but I wonder if she has two different models (ZS version and standard Version) or if she just has one model, the ZS version, and they just put the armor over that model for armored Samus. That'd be kind of neat.

[friendlyHunter]

This isn't that important, but I wonder if she has two different models (ZS version and standard Version) or if she just has one model, the ZS version, and they just put the armor over that model for armored Samus. That'd be kind of neat.

I don't think so ;] Unless they do that X-ray effect when characters get electrocuted again... highly doubtful though - we've seen Pikachu do some serious electrifying in the trailers.

Binding a complete character to a move that cannot be accessed at will is stupid. If there were a transformation move, ala Zelda/Sheik, then it's fine because you can switch whenever you want and you don't have to become good with one in order to be good with the other (although you ought to become good with both to be competitive, but I digress). Putting it onto an item which presumably can be (and probably will be, in competitions) turned off, then you've completely eliminated an awesome idea.

Oh no, with Smash Balls turned off, you also won't be able to be Gigabowser! And you won't be able to do a fifth of the special moves! And with each item that's turned off, there's a whole other move you can't do anymore! Oh no, what if tournaments only allow playing certain stages?!?? And what if some complete characters aren't quite fast enough to compete well in tournaments? Oh the humanity - suddenly this game's content is looking rather thin :roll:

If they're smart, ZSS (lol "Zamus") will play VERY similarly to regular Samus. Even in Zero Mission, unsuited Samus could do almost all the maneuvers of regular Samus (sans special abilities), and the differences were rather minimal. They'd better not do something stupid and, say, make Zero Suit Samus have different areal speed, weight, jumps, etc. than suited Samus. Quick, someone analyze a trailer that has both Samus's in it!


does "why? ...well, because it really hurts" mean that the Zero Beam will inflict Self-Damage like pichu?
Clearly it either means it really hurts to get hit with the laser, or it really "hurts" Samus suit. If it "really hurt" Samus' damage points, the move would be absolotely useless (I mean, unless the destruction of Samus' suit unleashes her hidden god-like power for some inexplicable reason). Ah, what do I know, they've done stupider things....

[Imagery]

If they're smart, ZSS (lol "Zamus") will play VERY similarly to regular Samus. Even in Zero Mission, unsuited Samus could do almost all the maneuvers of regular Samus (sans special abilities), and the differences were rather minimal. They'd better not do something stupid and, say, make Zero Suit Samus have different areal speed, weight, jumps, etc. than suited Samus. Quick, someone analyze a trailer that has both Samus's in it!

ZSS has less "power" (I'm assuming this means the loss of her arm cannon and its related abilities, as those tended to be her most damaging abilities) and "stamina" (which probably just means she's a little lighter without her suit, a bit easier to toss around), but makes up for it in speed. She still has a gun to fire with so she's not entirely without range, and it's likely that she's more dangerous than normal Samus in melee range with her gun as a whip.

[Eulogic]

I always thought Zero Suit Samus was a dumb idea for a character anyway. I hope she's not actually selectable.

[BigBoss]

I have to agree there.

[Tenucha]

It be better if Zero Suit was the outcome of heavy pwnage... But that could make for an awkward battle using Samus...
She'll prolly be selectable on the menu screen :(

[JackKieser]

Oh, man. I was looking at the pics for the Samus final smash and realized, "Wait a minute... if her beam is on the ground..."

You should totally be able to equip Samus' discarded Arm Cannon as if it were a gun item. Sure, nurf it, like take away the charge or something, or let it charge less, as long as you are able to shoot with it. That would be hella cool.

(I wonder if the SSBB team reads forums, even if it's just the Japanese ones...?)

--Jack Kieser

[BigBoss]

I still want to know what DK's Final Smash will be.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Oh, man. I was looking at the pics for the Samus final smash and realized, "Wait a minute... if her beam is on the ground..."

You should totally be able to equip Samus' discarded Arm Cannon as if it were a gun item. Sure, nurf it, like take away the charge or something, or let it charge less, as long as you are able to shoot with it. That would be hella cool.

(I wonder if the SSBB team reads forums, even if it's just the Japanese ones...?)

--Jack Kieser
That'd be really cool.
And I wonder if ZSSamus will have a Final Smash of he own. Maybe she get her suit back on and do a Power Bomb kinda think, who knows?

[Ero Elohim]

I still want to know what DK's Final Smash will be.

DK Rap plays.

Causes heavy damage to all eardrums.

[JackKieser]

Everyone onscreen (including DK) holds their heads in their hands, writhing in pain as their damage meters skyrocket...

100...
200...
300...

Then... everyone just explodes.

The true power of the Rap.

--Jack Kieser

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Look at this pic:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718b.jpg
It looks as if you might be able to direct the shot a bit. It looks to me as if she is shooting slightly upwards, dont you guys think?

EDIT: To avoid the double post

When Samus destroys her Power Suit, she’s left with the Zero Suit. What she’s lost in power and weaponry, she makes up for in speed!
Once she turns that Paralyzer in her hand into a whip, she has quite a long reach as well! Not exactly the straightforward fight you thought it was, huh?

Sound that shes gonna be fast.

[Makai]

This update flat-out sucked, mainly due to the lack of captions.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/zerosuit_samus/zerosuit_samus_070719c-l.jpg

DYNAMIC ENTRY!!!

[JackKieser]

Hmm... sounds like you'll be able to switch between pistol mode and whip mode to me. Which would be useful, especially if that affects the rest of her moveset. More direct, close combat attacks in pistol mode, with long-range, more Sheik-chain-style attacks in whip mode...

Interesting. Not a complete lack of info, I guess.

--Jack Kieser

[Yasuhiko]

Look at this pic:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718b.jpg
It looks as if you might be able to direct the shot a bit. It looks to me as if she is shooting slightly upwards, dont you guys think?


Hmmm, I just think that's a distortion of the 3/4 frontal shot.

[DJ Tempora]

Hmmm, I just think that's a distortion of the 3/4 frontal shot.
Actually, I figured it was the kickback from the giant blast. Your arm naturally gets pushed up after discharging a firearm. And that's like a really big firearm.

[Strike911]

Neato. A few little tidbits on the new character, which is cool.

[Rambo]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/zerosuit_samus/zerosuit_samus_070719d.jpg
Zero Arm Samus!!!

[eternal Zero]

Hmm... sounds like you'll be able to switch between pistol mode and whip mode to me. Which would be useful, especially if that affects the rest of her moveset. More direct, close combat attacks in pistol mode, with long-range, more Sheik-chain-style attacks in whip mode...

Interesting. Not a complete lack of info, I guess.

--Jack Kieser

This is quite doubtful. Think of a weaker version of Fox/Falco blaster for neutral B. Then think of Sheik whip for side B. There you have your "pistol mode" and "whip mode" all in one. The theories that I think will hold on this one are a lighter and faster Samus without her signature moves, which include her morphball, arm cannon, missles, grapple beam, flamethrower, and obviously morphball bombs. Now a question I'd like to speculate on is how she'll grapple. Will it be close to her beam by using her whip? Or will it be a standard grapple. I hate to say it this way, but it seems that ZSS is replacing Sheik in terms of gameplay.

[Drack]

This is quite doubtful. Think of a weaker version of Fox/Falco blaster for neutral B. Then think of Sheik whip for side B. There you have your "pistol mode" and "whip mode" all in one. The theories that I think will hold on this one are a lighter and faster Samus without her signature moves, which include her morphball, arm cannon, missles, grapple beam, flamethrower, and obviously morphball bombs. Now a question I'd like to speculate on is how she'll grapple. Will it be close to her beam by using her whip? Or will it be a standard grapple. I hate to say it this way, but it seems that ZSS is replacing Sheik in terms of gameplay.

I'm gonna have to agree. I don't see something like Ivy's "Whip mode" from the soul calibur games coming to Brawl.

[Dunther]

I still want to know what DK's Final Smash will be.

Maybe a giant banana lol? (I hope not :P )

[eternal Zero]

Maybe a giant banana lol? (I hope not :P )

Big vote for the coconut gun and/or the entire DK64 squad descends upon the stage shooting everyone to all hell. Though that's very similar to what I envisioned Fox's to be: GREAT FOX, FIRE!

[Shining Mirage]

I'm still hella curious as to what Luigi's Final Smash will be...

[Amayirot Akago]

I'm still hella curious as to what Luigi's Final Smash will be...Polter-Gust?

[Dunther]

Polter-Gust?

I hope yes....but who knows.....I was expecting the Koopa Clown Car for Bowser...

[eternal Zero]

Mr. L. aka GREEN THUNDER (and Bro-Bot, of course)

[Amayirot Akago]

I hope yes....but who knows.....I was expecting the Koopa Clown Car for Bowser...Well, we might still get that as an Assist Trophy. Who knows?:nicework:

Mr. L. aka GREEN THUNDER (and Bro-Bot, of course)
Hmmmmm, that would be a neat addition, but we'll have to wait and see. A Mr. L alternate costume would be sweet as well.

[eternal Zero]

For Yoshi:

Giant eggs replace Up+B. Just like at the end of Yoshi's Story.

[Sir_NutS]

well, seems like we can now say as a fact that zero suit samus is the new shiek.

Still love her looks.

[eternal Zero]

well, seems like we can now say as a fact that zero suit samus is the new shiek.

Still love her looks.

A part of me wants this to be true because Samus was my favorite, and Sheik my second to play as. I also don't want this to be true as I really want ZSS to have something even more original to her past the method of transformation.

But if you start a side by side comparison, the supposed paralyzer shot would be similar to the daggers. Presumably quick, charge-able and weak. Close range whips. Fast melee attacks combined with a light character. The only difference issue I see regarding this theory is how ZSS Up+B will work. Oh, and obviously down+B since Samus lost both screw attack and bombs.

[Neo Samus]

I don't want to speculate too much but I think there is still more to Zero Suit than Sakurai is leading us to believe.

[Fishy]

Captain Falcon's special: Super-Mega-Ultra-Falcon Punch?

It's probably gonna be something gay like he runs you over in his racer, but I can dream.

[DeathBySpoon]

The only difference issue I see regarding this theory is how ZSS Up+B will work. Oh, and obviously down+B since Samus lost both screw attack and bombs.

In one of the trailers we saw her do essentially a Falcon Kick minus the flames, so that's probably what her down+B will be. I have no idea on the up+B though. Hopefully Zero Suit Samus' final smash will be Crystal Flashing back into her suit.

[Amayirot Akago]

Captain Falcon's special: Super-Mega-Ultra-Falcon Punch?

It's probably gonna be something gay like he runs you over in his racer, but I can dream.Or, like I said before, something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

[eternal Zero]

Or, like I said before, something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

As only the Captain can.

[Red Shadow]

playing melee for the hell of it, and I just witnessed a comp fox pull off a successful edgehog

don't see that everyday

[JackKieser]

I really hope they teach the AI how to do stuff like that; after a while, lvl 9's just don't cut it anymore for anything but serious practice. And most of the time, they fail even at that.

--Jack Kieser

[Broken]

playing melee for the hell of it, and I just witnessed a comp fox pull off a successful edgehog

don't see that everyday

There's been a big discussion about the computer getting smarter and learning things as you play more and more on Smashboards. The general consensus is that the computer has always done more advanced things (at lvl 9 especially), but players don't really notice it until after they have learned how to do those moves themeselves.

Anyone else get jab-A'd of the stage only to realize they've lost their second jump? I'm glad no human opponent can do that because they would be able to gimp me to death.

Well, at least there are still smash attacks -computer kryptonite.

[BigBoss]

I really hope they teach the AI how to do stuff like that; after a while, lvl 9's just don't cut it anymore for anything but serious practice. And most of the time, they fail even at that.

--Jack Kieser

Edgehogging is for fgts. If they ever 'taught' the AI to do it, I'd never play against computers again ever.

[Broken]

Edgehogging is for fgts. If they ever 'taught' the AI to do it, I'd never play against computers again ever.

Yeah, it's never fun when you're on the recieving end. That's why I use peach!

Edit: I personaly think the computer is too stupid to edgegaurd right anyway. Sure, it can pull off stupidly powerful combos if you give it the chance, but edgegaurding correctly requires a little more higher level thinking than the comp. can handle.

I love making fun of the computer btw.

[friendlyHunter]

With the heavy emphasis on "dodging" (i.e. getting out of the way of) things that haven't happened yet (e.g. charged smashes, Final Smashes, assist trophies and pokemon, items, etc.), I seriously hope they update the AI a LOT. Melee's AI is completely oblivious to any attack/items that humans find trivial to dodge - they're insanely easy to hit with Kirby's rock (and similar moves), the Kirby star item, etc.. If the AI in Brawl is still that limited.... well, I guess I won't be playing very often with computer opponents/partners =/


So, looks like Zero Suit Samus actually is a whole new character (and possibly even selectable; she's a new entry on the "characters" page). I'm definitely worried that regular Samus will be relatively ignored by the developers, despite the great-looking character model =[ Is anyone else kind of pissed that they're making up bizarre new stuff, while the plethora of perfect-for-smash content from the Metroid series is left completely ignored? Are they trying to avoid putting any kind of minor Metroid game spoilers in Smash Bros? Sometimes I wonder if the character and stage designers have ever played a Metroid game, or a DK game for that matter...

Some are suggesting that Zero Suit Samus will have a final smash.... if you can only get 1 per life (or per match), then she won't have one, unless she's a selectable character. Aggh, they're not really giving us much new info with these updates, are they? That gun whip thing looks rather snazzy though - I wonder if there's a grapple beam upgrade in Metroid Prime 3 that looks like the whip?


Here's some more pointless speculation/hopes that are soon to be stomped on: When Wario picks up opponents, I hope he can carry them with one hand above his head like in all the Warioland games - that would arguably top Game&Watch's juggling move :nicework: If I'm not mistaken, DK is the only one who can carry other characters in Melee...? It'd be great if Yoshi and maybe Kirby could carry characters in their mouths... of course they'd then need to put in measures to prevent those characters from doing suicidal dives off the edge of the stage.

As for DK's final Smash, it'll almost definitely involve barrels... possibly throwing barrels, barrel cannons, the barrel of a coconut gun.... My personal favourite idea thus far: Original DK arcade cameo! DK faces the camera and "laughs" (RRGH RRGH RRGH) before jumping around the stage, shaking the ground and tilting each platform as he lands, and then proceeds to toss rolling barrels at all the players. Actually, that DK arcade laugh would be perfect for his taunt =D

[Strike911]

Edgehogging is for fgts. If they ever 'taught' the AI to do it, I'd never play against computers again ever.

Solid logic, sir. Real solid.

EDIT:

The fact of the matter is that when trying to determine whether Zero Suit Samus is her own character, its nearly impossible at this point. Keep in mind that early on when Melee was first coming out they had shots of the character select screen with Sheik on it. . . remember? Those early promo shots? Yeah you do. And look what direction that went. Seriously, we don't know, my money is that she's a seperate character, but Samus happens to turn into her after a Final Smash, that's how you transform. No going back or anything. That's my guess, because I don't think they want her to be compared to Shiek from a transforming standpoint.

I mean keep in mind, with the way tourney players are, IF getting Zero Suit Samus could only be done by getting a Smash Ball, then none of them would EVER play as ZS Samus. Ever. Of course, that brings up other issues with balance. If someone isn't good with Zero Suit Samus, or if she is "powered down" like Sakurai suggests, does the gain from using the Smash Ball (Giant laser) outweigh having to be Zero Suit Samus for the rest of the match? I suppose that's the other question though, are you Zero Suit Samus the rest of the match or just until the next time you die? There are so many questions I have!! lol. ^_^

[Red Shadow]

yeah FH the computer's AI is basically why i haven't touched this game in a year

it's just no fun to play against at all

[Shining Mirage]

Polter-Gust?

That's just the thing... The process in Luigi swinging that damn vacuum out, I'd be guessing that'd be the first hit in which might register as a possible regular smash attack, sending an unlucky fool (in-close, mind you) careening vertically into the air, then turning it on to finish off the other players.

If it is Polter-Gust, I guess it'll have some scale to the many pros and cons of every character. As long as they don't take out that flail attack that he had from Melee, I'll be happy.

[BigBoss]

Solid logic, sir. Real solid.

I don't see how it isn't.

[friendlyHunter]

It's illogical because you don't know whether the AI was "taught" edge hogging or not. If it indeed was, then you've gone all this time without noticing - why would you stop playing against the AI just because you have this new knowledge? (Theoretically speaking of course.) There are most likely other flaws in the logic.... and one could of course give analogical arguments as to why it IS logical, or at least makes some sense. Right.... I'm outta here

[BigBoss]

It's illogical because you don't know whether the AI was "taught" edge hogging or not. If it indeed was, then you've gone all this time without noticing - why would you stop playing against the AI just because you have this new knowledge?

I meant in Brawl, dumbass.

[friendlyHunter]

Edgehogging is for fgts. If they ever 'taught' the AI to do it, I'd never play against computers again ever.
The word "again" made me assume that it was Melee. And when I assume, it makes an ass out of you. Try being more careful with the name calling my friend =)

[BigBoss]

The word "again" made me assume that it was Melee.

That's because you're a dumbass.

[Strike911]

That's because you're a dumbass.

lol. So much for ending the name calling. teehee.

[eternal Zero]

The computer isn't noteworthy at all in my opinion. They definitely could use a massive update in difficulty and strategy.

Edit:

Edgehogging is for fgts. If they ever 'taught' the AI to do it, I'd never play against computers again ever.

Wait...so does that mean you don't play anyone decent?

[BigBoss]

Wait...so does that mean you don't play anyone decent?

No, it means I don't play against fgts.

'but bigboss tats wut they do in turnements!!1'

I don't care. Tourny players are a bunch of whine asses anyways.

[Broken]

So, you only enjoy smash when playing a low level computer or people who are worse than you?

Good job!

And please stop name calling. It makes you sound unintelligent

[JackKieser]

That's exactly why the comp isn't good for play anymore, at least for me... no challenge. Yeah, I think edgehogging is crap too, but that's because:

A) I can't do it well.

B) It's efficient and good at what it does.

So, it may piss me off, but it is something I should be prepared for, hence the AI needing to know some adv. techs. Out of curiosity, have any of you seen the CPU tech before, because I can't recall it happening to me; I don't play them enough. If not, they should be able to do stuff like that, but well enough so as to use them to their full advantage, like a human might do.

Sure, I'd get frustrated, but at least it'd be a challenge.

--Jack Kieser

[BigBoss]

So, you only enjoy smash when playing a low level computer or people who are worse than you?

Nope, I enjoy playing Smash when I play against people who can beat me by getting me to 150% and smashing my ass into the borders, instead of using the cheapest move they've got and dropping me down into doom. These are also the kind of people who enjoy playing with items and on levels, instead of constantly bitching when I pick somewhere other than Final Destination. Because that's where it's easiest to pull off all their cheap tricks.

Dumbass.

[JackKieser]

That's like your favorite word, isn't it? Although I admit, it rolls off the tongue well...

Just don't get those "right way to play" guys going again. No one wants that.

--Jack Kieser

[BigBoss]

Nope, it's simply the best word to describe those "right way to play" guys.

[Jam Stunna]

No, it means I don't play against fgts.

'but bigboss tats wut they do in turnements!!1'

I don't care. Tourny players are a bunch of whine asses anyways.

Even my brother used to edgehog, and he's never been anywhere near a tourney. Ir's just sound strategy if you're trying to win, items or not.

[Broken]

Nope, I enjoy playing Smash when I play against people who can beat me by getting me to 150% and smashing my ass into the borders, instead of using the cheapest move they've got and dropping me down into doom. These are also the kind of people who enjoy playing with items and on levels, instead of constantly bitching when I pick somewhere other than Final Destination. Because that's where it's easiest to pull off all their cheap tricks.

Dumbass.

So, people who play the exact same way you do. Good for you.

If someone can edge gaurd you and you will die every time they do it (because you're too complacent to learn how to avoid/escape it), you believe that that same person can't just beat the shit out of you until you're at some insane percentage and then just use a smash attack?

Please, people are just trying to save time.

[Tenucha]

I enjoy no weapons and combo-ing the crap out of someone using the levels design to my advance :)
Favourite fighter being Luigi followed my Falco and Zelda/Sheik.

Unfortuantly my friend whom I used to play all the time with on the N64 (he used Kirby) is still without this title and hates how much Kirby has changed (and has since moved to Pichu)... So I do alot of 3P lvl 10 CPU matches... boo...

[BigBoss]

Even my brother used to edgehog, and he's never been anywhere near a tourney. Ir's just sound strategy if you're trying to win, items or not.

Yeah, and me turning right around, going the wrong way in the track and smashing every car I can see until they can no longer move in racing games makes me win as well. But it's still a faggy thing to do.

So, people who play the exact same way you do.

Yes, the non-fgt way.

If someone can edge gaurd you and you will die every time they do it (because you're too complacent to learn how to avoid/escape it)

It's difficult to escape when you're playing against someone who's built their entire strategy on putting you into positions that you can't escape it from. At which point the game becomes less fun than frustrating, at which point they become fgts for putting vicotry over fun in a video game.

you believe that that same person can't just beat the shit out of you until you're at some insane percentage and then just use a smash attack?

Yes, because they have to resort to edgehogging. Any player good enough to beat someone by actually playing the game has no reason to cheap it up.

[Eulogic]

Nope, it's simply the best word to describe those "right way to play" guys.

Aren't you advocating your own "right way to play" by denying that edgehogging is a legitimate strategy?

Haha, BigBoss, you're so whiny. I don't edgehog people because I know my friends don't like it, but if someone edgehogs me, I don't whine about it like the bitch you are.

[BigBoss]

Aren't you advocating your own "right way to play" by denying that edgehogging is a legitimate strategy?

Yes. When Jack referred to the 'right way to play' guys, I assume he was referring to the people who complain when any level but Final Destination or the mere mention of items comes up. As in, the fgts.

[JackKieser]

I can see where you are coming with that. I have a friend who uses Falco AND the C-stick. And it BLOWS. He's way faster than me, and for the first 3 or so fights, I bitch like hell. But then I acclimate and get him back. I guess that's the only difference; just try adjusting your own strategy to force them to do things the hard (and more fun) way.

--Jack Kieser

PS: And, I meant all of you guys who fight about that. I try to stay out of it, because I think its arrogant of me to say there is a certain way to play. Really, only the devs can make that call.

[BigBoss]

just try adjusting your own strategy to force them to do things the hard (and more fun) way.

I do. I turn all the items on and go to Poke Floats.

[Ero Elohim]

They should just take out edgehogging. If someone is already grabbing on the ledge you want to grab, you grab on that person's feet instead.

That way, there's still a bit of an advantage to the person edgehogging (since the person 'hogging could drop at any moment), but it's not this super cheap move wherein you bitchslap someone off the level and then prevent them from using one of the most basic moves in the game to come back.

[JackKieser]

Good ole' Poke Floats... The bane of tournament play. But I meant change your strategy in-fight. Like, see them edgeguard and play differently.

--Jack Kieser

PS: ^ Wow, that would be super awesome. Imagine if a chain of 4 players could recover like that...

[BigBoss]

And even though I wavedash myself, I think they should do that and take out wavedashing. There's not much they can do to improve the physics engine (which definitely needed improvement) if they don't take out the most known of glitches.

[Eulogic]

You guys just sound like sore losers. One of my friends would find something to complain about no matter what I did, as I would consistently beat him.

He compained if I edgeguarded in any way, used the same attack more than once or twice in a row, didn't mindlessly run at him and attack, or used any advanced technique. Now, I consider myself a tournament-level player (and have been to tournaments), but, with friends, I usually play with random level with items on medium. You, like my friend, wants everyone to conform to their lack of skill and experience with the game, dumbing down the game a lot. I love playing the game, but when, even if I don't wavedash, edgeguard, shffl, etc., my friend would still slam his controller down and storm off, it pissed me off probably far more than it pisses you off when you can't compensate for edgehogging.

EDIT: Did Jack actually just complain about someone using the C-stick?

[BigBoss]

Edgehogging is the only thing that bothers me. I can't think of anything else (except people who play as Link and literally do nothing but use the Spin Attack) that annoys me.

[Eulogic]

(except people who play as Link and literally do nothing but use the Spin Attack)

Why does that bother you? If you remotely know what you're doing, they can't possibly win. You beat them a few times and they'll eventually change strategies or characters.

[BigBoss]

It's easy to counter. Really easy. It just makes it really boring to play against them because they're so predictable.

[HideousBeing]

They should just take out edgehogging. If someone is already grabbing on the ledge you want to grab, you grab on that person's feet instead.
That seriously made me laugh out loud. Not that it's preposterous or anything, just imagine a chain of characters holding onto each others feet. :lol:

[Eulogic]

It's easy to counter. Really easy. It just makes it really boring to play against them because they're so predictable.

I've never known someone who would continue that strategy after they get their asses handed to them soundly a few matches in a row.

[JackKieser]

EDIT: Did Jack actually just complain about someone using the C-stick?

Normally I wouldn't, but I don't think he has ever touched the A-button in his life on Melee... I need to tell him about the Z-charge, though. He'd get a kick out of that.

--Jack Kieser

[Broken]

Normally I wouldn't, but I don't think he has ever touched the A-button in his life on Melee... I need to tell him about the Z-charge, though. He'd get a kick out of that.

--Jack Kieser

Lol, no grabs for him I'm afraid. I would actually love to see someone win completely with B moves once.

[friendlyHunter]

Lol, no grabs for him I'm afraid. I would actually love to see someone win completely with B moves once.

Yeah, and I'd love to see a soccer team win by only heading the ball.


....actually, it might be possible to pull of a B-move only win with Jigglypuff or Capt. Falcon, maybe Marth or Roy.....
[Edit]
Just don't tell your opponent that you're only going to use B moves =p

[JackKieser]

Oh, you can't say that a soccer team winning like that wouldn't at very least be YouTube worthy... I think that would be cool to see, as well.

--Jack Kieser

[Strike911]

That would be pretty cool actually if when you were on a ledge by pressing Z you could put your hand out where you would become a ledge for another player to catch on.... that way you could save teammates and stuff. Hehe. It'd be like 'Little Big Planet.' haha. ^_^

I could totally dig hanging off of other people that are hanging on ledges, that's an awesome idea. hehe. ^_^

Edit: and while I might disagree with BigBoss, I do appreciate his vigor.

[atmuh]

poke floats is not banned in tournaments

and edgehogging is good

and you lose a ton of aerial power if you dont use the c stick in the air

[Captain Huge!]

ness better not get removed i like ness

[Strike911]

okay, its 5 minutes past when they typically update... whats up with the lateness. *cries*

*taps foot impatiently*

I need my Smash Brawl Crack fix, damn it!

EDIT: OKAY, the update was late, but its here! BUT....

....but seriously, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?! WHAT THE FUCK!?



edit 2: whatever this is about, its labeled as a game mode... and important enough to get its own little area in the game mode section. hmm. I wonder if Smash Bros will have some kind of "story" .... hmmm.

[MaxFrost]

it's just zero suit samus :D

[DJ Tempora]

What in the...

[KakTheInfected]

Oooooooooooh...

[JackKieser]

Ok, would anybody care to try to explain just what the hell was up with that?

--Jack Kieser

[atmuh]

gayest thing ever seriously
next to
--Jack Kieser

[Lord.Roderick.i]

WTF?!
What is the new update supposed to be?
???
Im confused :S
EDIT to avoid double post:
I think thats how the presentation video is gonna be like or something, kinda like Melee's was.
The characters in Melee were trophies and then they turned into the chars.
Maybe thats what this is.

[FuriousFure]

HOLY CRAP!!! thats awesome! i am LOVING this game already. this update alone has completely convinced me to buy a wii.


*looks around*



wait.. am i the only one who thinks they understand this totally sweet update?


hello? hello? ... i think we may have a bad connection...

[JackKieser]

Aww, Atma... I'm still thinking of you too, man. :)

I really hope they don't plan on adding a last minute storyline to Smash Bros. Not that you couldn't ignore it, but it would detract from the whole presentation a lot.

--Jack Kieser

[DeathBySpoon]

The antagonist of the game is the FF (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/06/04).

[Lord.Roderick.i]

HOLY CRAP!!! thats awesome! i am LOVING this game already. this update alone has completely convinced me to buy a wii.


*looks around*



wait.. am i the only one who thinks they understand this totally sweet update?


hello? hello? ... i think we may have a bad connection...
Would you care explaining your understanding of this new update?

[friendlyHunter]

Well, if you select the hidden text, it makes a little bit more sense.... Good job confusing us all on a Friday :nicework: Looks like single player mode may have a much more cohesive story than before.

[Amayirot Akago]

Hidden text? Where?

Well, they've gone from totally awesome to totally mysterious with today's update. Methinks Trophies are involved somehow.

[Lord.Roderick.i]

Well, if you select the hidden text, it makes a little bit more sense.... Good job confusing us all on a Friday :nicework: Looks like single player mode may have a much more cohesive story than before.
Yeah, what hidden text r u talking about?

[Wipomatic]

Well, if you select the hidden text, it makes a little bit more sense.... Good job confusing us all on a Friday :nicework: Looks like single player mode may have a much more cohesive story than before.

Hidden Text?

[friendlyHunter]

What, you've never seen white text before?

I'll copy and paste it here for you guys:



In this world, trophies fight.

screenshot

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They know nothing but fighting. Fighting is the sole reason for their existence.

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Being turned back into a trophy, being unable to fight, is much like death.

screenshot

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Those are the rules of this world.

screenshot

But...

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When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price...




And, ummmm, is it just me, or has the latest installment in every Nintendo series featured a blobby purple and black evil substance? Metroid Prime 2, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario.... I guess that's it :oops:

[Amayirot Akago]

I think he's messing with us. Or the text is plain invisible to him for some reason.

[friendlyHunter]

Yes, a- um, what?

Oh wow, I reloaded the page and the white background was replaced with a black background, revealing said white text. Silly browser...

[FuriousFure]

Would you care explaining your understanding of this new update?

sure thing. well, what i think i understand of it is much like the two previous games both start with inanimate objects who then become into moving (living) things and start fighting each other.

Smash Bros had Master Hand pick two random action figures/dolls and then construct a makeshift battle arena out of a desk.

Melee in the intro have some arm grab mario in trophy form and it flips into the sky and tumbles to rest in an arena and you see he isn't alone. link, kirby and pikachu were also there to join in the... brawl? well yes.

on to Brawl, it seems its actually going to go into the reasoning behind the toys/trophys and being a trophy seems to be like death. so they become real, fight (cause that's there main purpose) this world is at peace and is in balance. untill something unsettles it... oooO!

so like previously stated. (one of the) adventure mode(s) should be a little more complete. and that they might go into the whole coming to life thing thats my understanding.

[Strike911]

wait, I had a thought....

what if Smash Bros Brawl had a really engaging single player mode that had a great story with all the classic Nintendo characters. Think of Kingdom Hearts just... Nintendo. What if the single player was so engaging that people wanted to play the adventure mode just as much as multiplayer... because its so epic, dramatic, meaningful, and life changing?

Think about it. It'll blow your mind.










.... then you'll come crashing back to reality. ^_~

[Lord.Roderick.i]

sure thing. well, what i think i understand of it is much like the two previous games both start with inanimate objects who then become into moving (living) things and start fighting each other.

Smash Bros had Master Hand pick two random action figures/dolls and then construct a makeshift battle arena out of a desk.

Melee in the intro have some arm grab mario in trophy form and it flips into the sky and tumbles to rest in an arena and you see he isn't alone. link, kirby and pikachu were also there to join in the... brawl? well yes.

on to Brawl, it seems its actually going to go into the reasoning behind the toys/trophys and being a trophy seems to be like death. so they become real, fight (cause that's there main purpose) this world is at peace and is in balance. untill something unsettles it... oooO!

so like previously stated. (one of the) adventure mode(s) should be a little more complete. and that they might go into the whole coming to life thing thats my understanding.
Yeah, thats exactly what i thought of too, but I wasnt sure.

[Imagery]

Uh... what.

[cobaltstarfire]

That update was just a tad bit unsettling. :puppyeyes:

[TSU]

...



what the heck was that?

[Global-Trance]

Any thoughts? People are spouting out quite a bit about this on the Smashboards forum as a result of trying to read too much into the update. Of course, we'll have no explanation about it until at least Monday.

[Jam Stunna]

Isn't the basic concept of every Smash Bros. game the idea of trophies/dolls fighting each other? This just seems like an extension of that common theme, although I have no idea what that blob is.

[Mr.Roboto]

Whats weird,isn't that Meta Knights ship in the background?

...Unless they're going to add a catalog of.."evil?" characters.The ones that break the rules?

Word.

[Rambo]

I am very fucking intrigued. I like, this update.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

What the fuck is that in the last pic?

[Ray Falling]

I was just thinking to myself how updates so far have not been like, completely mind blowing in the sense that you'd go "oooh, I see now. So this IS SSBB!"
So you can imagine this update made my day :)

I'm guessing these screenshots are from some type of into movie. Very interesting and very curious about what they have in store for us now :)

Maybe the creature in the last screen is some type of new universal bad guy.
Since being turned into a trophy is as bad as death, I can imagine in this Smash Bros. winning the game would result in your character breaking free from such a fate, rather than being turned into a trophy again like in Melee.

Game...turning...too...awesome

EDIT: The screens suggest Mario turned Kirby back to life after him being turned into a trophy again. Him grabbing Kirby's hand shows a sign of friendship, but just as he does, evil stuff happens 0_0. Which is probably what they meant by "When someone...or something...breaks those rules, the world will pay a terrible price..."

Friendship = bad. Fighting = good >_>

[eternal Zero]

To recap:

Trophies fighting against each other is SOP. Once one wins, the other is turned back into a trophy. SOP designates that the victor reanimate the fallen so that they may fight another day. Friendship seems to be accepted as long as competition through fighting remains.

Breaking the rules could mean anything from preventing reanimation to complete destruction of the trophy.