Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[Sag Ee Mana]

I remember a post about creating a character...

As assist trophies, I'd like to see our Miis appear during a match. Or maybe we have to punch them in event mode ?

So we could fight against our family or any people we have created :D

[Imagery]

I like how some of the same people who worried about potentially winding up with too many characters are harping for two or three new Fire Emblem characters in addition to the new one they've already got and the two they possibly still have.

[Jam Stunna]

More than Fire Emblem characters, I think people want more female characters in general.

[Strike911]

I love Fire Emblem, but I think there are some better well-known characters that need some love on the new roster.

I mean lets face it, Fire Emblem is one of Nintendo's lesser known (or played) titles when you compare it to the Pokemon series, Zelda, and the almighty Mario franchise...

Still though, I'm hella excited for Ike. I'd put my money on seeing a whole slew of Fire Emblem characters as assist trophies... there's a lot of options there.

... and hell, there are so many people with bad attitudes in this thread, it's a bit depressing.

[Arek the Absolute]

I like how some of the same people who worried about potentially winding up with too many characters are harping for two or three new Fire Emblem characters in addition to the new one they've already got and the two they possibly still have.

It is pretty funny.
I am fine with adding in two more FE characters if they are within reason, meaning finishing the weapon triangle.

Assist trophies are fine, but as full characters, I believe we are ok the with Sword users we already have.

[Cecilff2]

I'd grin at an Earthworm Jim appearance.

[ILLiterate]

It is pretty funny.
I am fine with adding in two more FE characters if they are within reason, meaning finishing the weapon triangle.

Assist trophies are fine, but as full characters, I believe we are ok the with Sword users we already have.Word on the streets are Roy & Marth are to be replaced with Ike & The Black Knight. Ike came true, lets see what's next...

[Jam Stunna]

Word on the streets are Roy & Marth are to be replaced with Ike & The Black Knight. Ike came true, lets see what's next...

Isn't Marth hugely popular in Japan? I doubt he'll be removed.

[Broken]

Ike kind of reminds me of cloud with his whole "I can hold a large sword with one hand; Therefore, I don't have to talk to you" thing going on.

I'm sure you're unhappy about marth's exculsion (so far), illiterate. I know he's your favorite character and everything.

I hope Ike plays a little bit differently than Marth. I mean, just having a sword was a big advantage in Melee, and if Ike's even decently quick, I'm sure a slightly modified move set won't really hurt his playability.

[BigBoss]

Marth is the main character of the FIRST FE. I'm sure that's reason enough for him to be kept.

[Jam Stunna]

Marth is the main character of the FIRST FE. I'm sure that's reason enough for him to be kept.

He's also the only character to be the main character of two different FE (1st and 3rd).

[Strike911]

Wait, isn't Ike also supposed to be in the new Fire Emblem game coming out on the Wii?

I'd be kind of sad if Marth was gone... so many memories from Smash. Although, it would be cool to see some mages or a theif sneak there way into the roster, since it seems a lot of characters are using swords... *shrugs*

[!Nekko!]

Where the hell is my main man, Falcon?!

[BigBoss]

SERIOUSLY. Needs more SHOW ME YOUR MOVES.

[eternal Zero]

Wait, isn't Ike also supposed to be in the new Fire Emblem game coming out on the Wii?

Yes. It's a sequel to the GCN one which he starred in.

[The Mutericator]

SERIOUSLY. Needs more SHOW ME YOUR MOVES.

I am rather curious as to what Falcon's Super Smash will be, to be honest. What can be more powerful than a Falcon Punch? Seriously.

[G_D]

"I can hold a large sword with one hand; Therefore, I don't have to talk to you"

Heheh. I like that.

Anyway, I agree with others about varying up the weapons. I was really hoping for Hector, Ephraim, or Soren/Pent. One of the beasts from Path of Radiance would be cool, too. I've never played it, though, so I don't know their names.

[Hum4n After All]

Great, his sword range is going to be even bigger than Marth's, lol.

Haha.
Imagine if he also had a counter move.
FTW!11

[Arek the Absolute]

I am rather curious as to what Falcon's Super Smash will be, to be honest. What can be more powerful than a Falcon Punch? Seriously.

Double falcon punch.

[Azul v2]

Meh. Enough sword users already. I'm sure fire emblem is great but I never gave much notice to Roy or Marth nor did I like players who always played with them. I'm sure they are a hit in Japan though which is why they are in the game. I'd prefer more classic characters though.

And yes, Earthworm Jim would be awesome. So would Sonic.

[Dunther]

I am rather curious as to what Falcon's Super Smash will be, to be honest. What can be more powerful than a Falcon Punch? Seriously.

I hope something cool to see and that makes sense....

[friendlyHunter]

...

Do we really need to post that video again? For the 8th time in this thread?

Yes, I think we do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

Ahh, never gets old ^_^



Although Earthworm Jim would be the best character ever (he'd probably manage to be funnier and more awesome than Wario), could you imagine an Earthworm Jim STAGE??? Especially one that involves launching a cow, which later falls on a player? I couldn't.

[JoeFu]

I am rather curious as to what Falcon's Super Smash will be, to be honest. What can be more powerful than a Falcon Punch? Seriously.


How about running the blue falcon into everybody, getting hit at 1100 km/h would hurt I think.

[supremespleen]

Although Earthworm Jim would be the best character ever (he'd probably manage to be funnier and more awesome than Wario), could you imagine an Earthworm Jim STAGE??? Especially one that involves launching a cow, which later falls on a player? I couldn't.Earthworm Jim makes me think of cartoons from my childhood.
I think that would be a sweet game - CARTOON'S FROM SPLEEN'S CHILDHOOD BATTLE

featuring!
Earthwrom Jim!
Freakazoid!
Mighty Max!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand DEADPOOOL!

I would buy that twice.

[Red Shadow]

maaaaan fuck ewj i want to play as klaymen if anything

[friendlyHunter]

Hmm, I don't see Klaymen as much of a fighter.... wait, he was already in a fighting game, wasn't he ><

[Mastertoku]

It's kind of unlikely, but... I'm slightly hoping for the possibility of including Greil/Gawain. I mean, the axe is just awesome, and you never really got to use him in Path of Radiance. And besides, you could have a father/son match with Ike!

[Arek the Absolute]

Apparently Sakurai doesn't give a shit about having on time updates anymore.

[Hobocop]

Apparently Sakurai doesn't give a shit about having on time updates anymore.

Probably like exercising - seems like a good idea at first but gets tedius and unrewarding fast...

[Bigfoot]

At least he gives a shit about giving us updates period.

[Codycrusader]

I was looking at old posts, and I thought about something. If you can only do one Final Smash a battle, and your Samus, and you get transformed into ZS Samus, then how do you use ZS Samus's Final Smash? I'd think she'd have one since she's an actual announced character unless you'd be able to chose her on the character selection screen.

[Imagery]

Oh, it's the Fire Emblem stage. We already knew about that one.

But wait what O SHI----

Yet another "as time goes on, the stage changes..." sort of thing (the other being the new DK stage). I'm wondering if these time frames are fixed or scalable (e.g., the progression is more drawn out when matches are set up with more stock/time).

[Hobocop]

This game is starting to remind me of Power Stone 2... but at least the updates are getting better.

Edit: geez, DK is so much bigger than ZSS, yet the size difference seems more pronounced in some images than others... so maybe you can't fight each other while falling to the underground?

[Arek the Absolute]

with ike comes his stage
makes sense

[Lord.Roderick.i]

I knew that the stage w/ the big statues were FE related,
I wonder how will the underground will look like though.

[Linkjing Donuts]

I was looking at old posts, and I thought about something. If you can only do one Final Smash a battle, and your Samus, and you get transformed into ZS Samus, then how do you use ZS Samus's Final Smash? I'd think she'd have one since she's an actual announced character unless you'd be able to chose her on the character selection screen.
chances are they'll give you a code so you can enter battle as zss instead of samus (like starting with sheik by holding a as the match loads)

[friendlyHunter]

I'm curious if stages like this one and DK's stage will loop, and if so, how. And I sure hope the transition to the bottom (or in DK's stage, to the top) takes more than 2 minutes.

But what will the underground look like? I've got a hunch it'll look something like this:
(BRAWL SPOILER WARNING!)
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2916/undergroundvx9.png

Ah, I love Photoshop ^^

[Strike911]

I'm curious if stages like this one and DK's stage will loop, and if so, how. And I sure hope the transition to the bottom (or in DK's stage, to the top) takes more than 2 minutes.

But what will the underground look like? I've got a hunch it'll look something like this:
(BRAWL SPOILER WARNING!)
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/2916/undergroundvx9.png

Ah, I love Photoshop ^^

wow, that PhotoShop manipulation shows an area that looks a lot like some of the areas in Fire Emblem (on GBA) where monsters were. Hmm. Cool.

This is pretty cool update, I had a hunch that those statues were in that level. I'm happy to see floors breaking and stuff. I hope its at least as entertaining as things were in the Dead or Alive series when stuff would break. From the looks of it, it seems really entertaining with all the stuff going on in the background, crumbling statues and catapults. Cool stuff. Really cool stuff.

*stoked*

[Critical Hit]

...

Do we really need to post that video again? For the 8th time in this thread?

Yes, I think we do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

Ahh, never gets old ^_^

lmao, oohhhh lawd how have I not seen that before... That shit's awesome, you made my night, friendlyHunter.

[Miletus]

A lot like Power Stone 2 indeed (ie awesome). I hope there's a freefalling level as in that game.

[Final_metroid]

im silently laughing at all the ignorant people who kept bitching its not a fire emblem stage, despite the evidence

[eternal Zero]

im silently laughing at all the ignorant people who kept bitching its not a fire emblem stage, despite the evidence

Hear hear.

Not to mention I like the whole surprise he left for the the underground part of the stage.

[atmuh]

im silently laughing at all the ignorant people who kept bitching its not a fire emblem stage, despite the evidence

how about just not being completely sure

[Sir_NutS]

Well that is nice.

[Drack]

Definitely my favorite stage unveiled so far.

[Neo Samus]

I had a feeling that today's update would be this stage. At least we can stop with predictions of what this stage is.

[ILLiterate]

...and start with predictions of what the underground is!

I say it's full of candy unicorns :D

I hope you can fall for a long time so that you can get into air fights :O

[Neo Samus]

...and start with predictions of what the underground is!

I say it's full of candy unicorns :D

I hope you can fall for a long time so that you can get into air fights :O

Air fights would fucking rule! I really do wonder where the cave leads.......Damn you Sakurai!!!!

[BigBoss]

don't care about the castle

never had and never will

[Tenucha]

Already pre-ordered Smash Bros and Umbrella Chronicles before I even own a Wii... hehe.
So now.... I gotta get a running car and then a Wii beofre those titles are out!

[Global-Trance]

lmao, oohhhh lawd how have I not seen that before... That shit's awesome, you made my night, friendlyHunter.

I love how this clip is taken completely out of context... and that's the best part about it. Someone's shit just got COMPLETELY RUINED.

[Arek the Absolute]

I prefer this one myself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU&mode=related&search=)

[Broken]

Double falcon punch.

More like

Gigantic KNEE TO THE FACE! Followed by an instant KO

[Strike911]

I prefer this one myself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU&mode=related&search=)

Oh endearing little Zeta Gundam, with all your weird selective gravity.

[The Mutericator]

...

Do we really need to post that video again? For the 8th time in this thread?

Yes, I think we do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

Ahh, never gets old ^_^



Although Earthworm Jim would be the best character ever (he'd probably manage to be funnier and more awesome than Wario), could you imagine an Earthworm Jim STAGE??? Especially one that involves launching a cow, which later falls on a player? I couldn't.

I don't know if a BIGGER Falcon Punch would work. How can you possibly make a Falcon Punch bigger? It just doesn't logically make sense.

Though I like the idea of a Double Falcon Punch.

I guess as long as he yells out "FARUKOOOON.... *whatever*" before he does it, it's okay.

[friendlyHunter]

I don't know if a BIGGER Falcon Punch would work. How can you possibly make a Falcon Punch bigger?

I think you might find the answer in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

It just doesn't logically make sense.
Shooting fire:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/mario/mario_070523a.jpg

Shooting BIGGER fire:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/mario/mario_070529c.jpg

Shooting blue thing:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070615a.jpg

Shooting BIGGER blue thing:
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/samus/samus_070718b.jpg

[eternal Zero]

You forgot normal sword slash to BIGGER (and repeated) sword slash.

[Mastertoku]

Yeah, well, how does Kirby's Final work into that? What goes from one thing to cooking people?

I can't wait to see Ike's Final Smash. I'm willing to bet he just raises his arm, and all of a sudden, a horde of laguz comes trampling through... bwahaha. It's good to be the commander.

Wait! Crap! It's got to be something to do with Lehran's Medallion (the berserker rage thing!)

[NeoForte]

Holy shit! That is awesome!

[Linkjing Donuts]

peach is looking great











lol

[FuriousFure]

i am speechless... goddam!

[StarZander]

Okay, so Peach HAS to be playable again. Awesome!

[Flaming Wuzzle]

Sakurai, you magnificent bastard!

[NeoForte]

Ok so Peach is now comfirmed and mystery green haired woman with pit seems to be Palutena from the same game.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Palutena.jpg

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea02/modea02_070803l-l.jpg

[Mastertoku]

Sweet mother of Betsy!

[Bigfoot]

Awesome update. Now all who I need to see, as far as old characters go, is Ness.

[Hobocop]

And here I was thinking that SSBM had hit a peak in replay value... I'm going to have a hard time deciding what to do first in this game.

[Imagery]

Sakurai, you magnificent bastard!

lol yes

[Vyse the Three Eyes]

Awesome update. Now all who I need to see, as far as old characters go, is Ness.

And Captain Falcon. And Ice Climbers.

But seriously, holy SHIT...

[Imagery]

And here I was thinking that SSBM had hit a peak in replay value... I'm going to have a hard time deciding what to do first in this game.

unlock characters

duh

[Bigfoot]

Damn, this site must be getting hit so hard right now. The progress bar for the video isn't moving :[

[Captain Huge!]

if ness isnt in this one i wont buy it

[Imagery]

if ness isnt in this one i wont buy it

you are hilarious

even unintentionally

[Eulogic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01LMZMaDgk

someone uploaded it to youtube

[Strike911]

ZOMG!!! THIS UPDATE = F-ing EPIC!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111


ZOMZGOMZOGMZOGMZOGMZOMG!!!

FANBOYzzz GLEE!!!11111zz!!!

PEAAAAAAAAAAAAACH!! ^_^_^_^__^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^

and that pig thing with flames on it shooting at samus looks kind of familiar... *shrugs*

Wow... Great update! This has been a good week of updates!

[NeoForte]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/qemp81

Someone in Neo GAF was kind enough to rip the FLV file of the Smash Movie.

[Arek the Absolute]

I don't get it....

So adventure mode has turned basically into 2-d sidescroller like megaman/strider/viewtiful joe//mario/however the character you chose plays?

EDIT: Haha, what the fuck was that movie about. That was....lame. "Enforcers" rain down and Zelda *WITH THE GOD DAMN ARMS BEHIND BACK RUNNING. I HATE THAT SHIT. IT LOOKS STUPID AND DOESNT WORK IN REAL LIFE* and Peach randomly coming to their aid?

...k?

DOUBLE EDIT: Lawl at cloud theorizers. The clouds, they mean nothing.

[Bigfoot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01LMZMaDgk

someone uploaded it to youtube

Sweet, thanks.

[Imagery]

I don't get it....

So adventure mode has turned basically into 2-d sidescroller like megaman/strider/viewtiful joe//mario/however the character you chose plays?

PAY ATTENTION

seriously dude we don't know any more than you do

all we see is something epic

[Arek the Absolute]

Did you just pwn yourself by saying "Pay attention" then proceeding to say "we don't know anymore than you do"?

What the fuck am I supposed to "PAY ATTENTION" to if you don't get anymore than I do.

imagery you so funny

[Strike911]

PAY ATTENTION

seriously dude we don't know any more than you do

all we see is something epic


well, if there are videos that push the story along like sakurai says I'd imagine adventure mode in brawl will be kind of an amalgam of the melee event matches and melee's adventure mode... you probably play as multiple characters through out the entire mode... thats my guess, but it's pure speculation... it's all awesome though. Wow. Very cool. Some of those pics are really interesting to look at... far more dramatic than any of the stuff I've seen from Nintendo... the angles and everything. Wow. Cool.

Edit: I am so happy to see that they're fleshing out Smash bros, and not just doing what worked in the past. Seems like we'll be getting a game filled to the brim with stuff to do. :) ^_^

I wonder if there will be voice acting.......................

[Eulogic]

omg javelin from subspace confirmed as playable character

Anyway, I initially thought it was an Advance Wars update, as the green image behind the Subspace Emissary looks like the blue wrench on the Advance Wars box.

[FuriousFure]

Did you just pwn yourself by saying "Pay attention" then proceeding to say "we don't know anymore than you do"?

What the fuck am I supposed to "PAY ATTENTION" to if you don't get anymore than I do.

imagery you so funny

did you just "pwn" yourself by using the word pwn in a serious way?

yes, yes you did.


what worries me is that it seems like only the videos are 16x9 and the gameplay is 4x3. I hope brawl suppors widescreen in all aspects *heh heh* of the game.

[nookster]

Well goddamn !

Does anyone recongnize old enemies in those pictures? I've played most games, no kid icarus though. De enemies in the 4th pic (with metaknight) seem like just the kind of enemy that would go into that kind of game.

And YES, the shooting pig (samus pic)does look familiar. I (think i) know i've seen it before :S

Maybe some hidden hints about other included games in there? enemy wise?

[Makai]

Sakurai just got away with doing the same update twice.

I'm not complaining though. 13 pic/video updates are nice. I'm looking forward to a good single player mode in Brawl.

[Captain Huge!]

they should put tomba in, tomba is cool

[Strike911]

And YES, the shooting pig (samus pic)does look familiar. I (think i) know i've seen it before :S

NOW I REMEMBER! It reminds me of Rocket Knight Adventures... but that wasn't on Nintendo.... Sparkster was on SNES, but I believe it was all Lizards by that point... so I dunno... *shrugs* Looks like it's shootin' something. We know Konami is involved... what if Sparkster made a return? I know it cannot happen since that game occurred on the Genesis, but that pig really reminds me of some of the shooting turrets that had pig heads on it... anyway...

There are tons of clues to game information and enemies in this single update we just need to see if any people recognize anything. Someone already graciously posted that Kid Icarus pic earlier of the ghostly female character Pit is looking at. :)

[nookster]

Which i think is very possible. Certainly isn't zelda

Is somebody here also involved on the smashboards? so we get to hear it if they recognize something?

On a different (inspired by a picture) note I need link riding a yoshi, sword held high, storming into battle :D

[Jam Stunna]

That does it. I am maining Zelda in the next game, no matter how much she may or may not suck.

[Vidilian]

This is one step closer to an all-star Nintendo rpg. You know, similar to Kingdom hearts but Nintendo instead of Disney.

Seriously though, I'm really interested in seeing how they incorporate character's past history into this mode. This makes me even more certain that characters like King Dedede and Starwolf will be in the game, since their important to their rival's backstory.

[Arek the Absolute]

Something tells me that the adventure mode won't be an individual story mode like we thought, meaning each character has their own story with different paths.

[Miletus]

Sakurai just got away with doing the same update twice.


I'm gonna sue.

[Dunther]

This update is fucking cool...I have goosebumps...

[Brithor]

Awesome :)
I always thought Melee's Adventure mode was kinda rushed, but I guess that's not the case anymore.

[Ninja-san]

Will Metal Gear\snake be included in the adventure mode or will it be nintendo only? Replacing Fox with Snake in that snail pic's quite amusing.

[supremespleen]

I don't get it....

So adventure mode has turned basically into 2-d sidescroller like megaman/strider/viewtiful joe//mario/however the character you chose plays?

EDIT: Haha, what the fuck was that movie about. That was....lame. "Enforcers" rain down and Zelda *WITH THE GOD DAMN ARMS BEHIND BACK RUNNING. I HATE THAT SHIT. IT LOOKS STUPID AND DOESNT WORK IN REAL LIFE* and Peach randomly coming to their aid?

...k?

DOUBLE EDIT: Lawl at cloud theorizers. The clouds, they mean nothing.hahaha you're so annoying

[Arek the Absolute]

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3769/millardyx2.png

[Zeklan]

I love it.

[Dunther]

Will Metal Gear\snake be included in the adventure mode or will it be nintendo only? Replacing Fox with Snake in that snail pic's quite amusing.

I think that Metal Gear Universe will have no relevance in the plot....

[Ray Falling]

*single tear*

That's just so beautiful :) I think this is the piece of information I was looking for all along.

It looks sort of Jungle Beat-ish, which may not be too bad at all.
Really great stuff :) Made my day!

Monday's update: Peach

[Arek the Absolute]

I am thinking that Snake is going to get the shank when it comes to the story mode and will not be a part of it, making him nothing more than a character to use for multi player and other modes.

Hopefully I am wrong.

I wonder why the Halberd is delivering the "enforcers". I would lol if Metaknight had his ride jacked.

[KakTheInfected]

I would be excited if the game wasn't 4 months away.

[megadave]

This update is fucking cool...I have goosebumps...

Yep, that's how I feel about it too.

[Sir_NutS]

hah! I knew it, they will be fleshing out the story to make it more KH-esque. Awesomeness. I can't wait to see how things will end up being.

This game is breaking, and will continue to break all my expectations.

[eternal Zero]

I would be excited if the game wasn't 4 months away.

That's a reason to get excited in itself, no? It's not like these are tidbits of preview information that show how the game is developing. These are already solidified parts of the game that will be coming and quite soon in the grand scheme of things.

[Baleshadow]

Character development? In a Nintendo game? Huh.

Regardless, I am looking forward to this.

[dsx100]

This is probably the best update so far for me. I really excited about this mode. This could be the thing that sets Brawl apart from Melee in terms of new content and gameplay. The cinematics look like they'll look very nice as well.

[anclunn]

YES! Peach is confirmed. I was only very slightly worried.

[Neo Samus]

YES! Peach is confirmed. I was only very slightly worried.

Apparently by Wikipedia standards she isn't, because video of a character is not a good enough "confirmation". :roll:

[KakTheInfected]

Apparently by Wikipedia standards she isn't, because video of a character is not a good enough "confirmation". :roll:

Ew, is there really some douche on the Smash Bros. page editing Peach confirmations out?

[eternal Zero]

That does it. I am maining Zelda in the next game, no matter how much she may or may not suck.

I'm not gonna main her just because she looks cool (I prefer testing first), but she does look incredibly badass this time around.

[Jam Stunna]

I'm not gonna main her just because she looks cool (I prefer testing first), but she does look incredibly badass this time around.

I already main Zelda. Her badassnes just confirms it for the next time as well.

[megadave]

Seriously, they couldn't have made Zelda and Link look any more badass. They look hoss, but I think Giga-Bowser takes the cake though.

Edit: Dammit, I would like to see Midna and/or Zant appear in this game. Do you think wolf link will appear?

[eternal Zero]

It's hard to argue with Giga Bowser. They took a great enemy who was recently becoming much more tame (Paper Mario) and revamped him to be as monstrous as possible.

[dsx100]

I am not sure if this has been posted already but if it has let me know.

http://www.thewiire.com/news/879/1/Aonuma_Confirms_Sheik_Ganondorf_in_Brawl

If this is true, its almost guaranteed that Ganondorf will have a new moveset. Sheik's design should be different as well.

[GameBrain_vX]

I am not sure if this has been posted already but if it has let me know.

http://www.thewiire.com/news/879/1/Aonuma_Confirms_Sheik_Ganondorf_in_Brawl

If this is true, its almost guaranteed that Ganondorf will have a new moveset. Sheik's design should be different as well.

How do you get a new moveset for Ganondorf from that?

Though this gets me thinking. What if Young Link = Windwaker/Phantom Hourglass Link now?

[Scufo]

I am not sure if this has been posted already but if it has let me know.

http://www.thewiire.com/news/879/1/Aonuma_Confirms_Sheik_Ganondorf_in_Brawl

If this is true, its almost guaranteed that Ganondorf will have a new moveset. Sheik's design should be different as well.
Huh. Can't say I'm thrilled that Shiek is back.

[Neo Samus]

Ew, is there really some douche on the Smash Bros. page editing Peach confirmations out?


There's actually a couple of douche's that are removing Peach from the confirmed list.

[Arek the Absolute]

I am not sure if this has been posted already but if it has let me know.

http://www.thewiire.com/news/879/1/Aonuma_Confirms_Sheik_Ganondorf_in_Brawl

If this is true, its almost guaranteed that Ganondorf will have a new moveset. Sheik's design should be different as well.


Even though anyone could predict that, I am going to wait until I see official news on smashbros.com before I completely believe that.

[BigBoss]

There's actually a couple of douche's that are removing Peach from the confirmed list.

They're wiki fgts, they think they know their shit.

Even though anyone could predict that, I am going to wait until I see official news on smashbros.com before I completely believe that.

How does this confirm him having a different moveset at all? All it does is confirm he's even in the fucking game, it said nothing at ALL about his moveset.

[nohero]

Best update ever. I know nobody much liked Star Fox Assault, and it's been a long time since I've played it, but is it possible that the pig head in the 3rd pic is the Pigma/Alien combo? And I think those eyes with the protective covering were in Revenge of Metaknight on Kirby Superstar.

[dsx100]

How do you get a new moveset for Ganondorf from that?

Though this gets me thinking. What if Young Link = Windwaker/Phantom Hourglass Link now?

Well I remmebering hearing from somewhere that Sakurai said in an interview that they where doing away with clone characters (it was a pretty big topic in these forumns not to long ago). Ganondorf's moveset was almost exactly like C. Falcon's. I'm pretty sure out of the two, Ganondorf is the one to most likely have his moveset chaged, seeing as how C. Falcon came first and He uses a sword and magic powers often in the Zelda games. I'm just guessing, but I am almost positive he will have a different moveset. If you don't think thats the case, thats fine. You can simply come up with your own idea.

Also this isn't some prediction (that Ganondorf and Sheik are confirmed), the official source came from GameInformer and I personally think they are very reliable. However I have to agree with Nicholas in that if you want a real confirmation, just wait for the update on smashbros.com. The same goes for peach.

[Arek the Absolute]

How does this confirm him having a different moveset at all? All it does is confirm he's even in the fucking game, it said nothing at ALL about his moveset.

axle shh
It is more of an educated guess considering they are aiming at the destruction of "clones".

If he is the same, oh well. He is pretty bad ass as it is.

Also, why the hell are you quoting me instead of the person I quoted? He was the one that made the allegation, douche. I simply said "I need to see it on smashbros.com before I believe it."

[BigBoss]

yeah i just pressed quote dont get your panties in a knot

[Arek the Absolute]

eh, ill tone it down in this thread
peeps be tripin cuz im rollin up in hea with my gunz blazin an they be like sup with that and im like boy don trip im jus messin but they aint recognizin dat

but imagery is an exception cause hes fun to bicker with

[ILLiterate]

Seriously now, greatest game ever made

[Imagery]

*single tear*

That's just so beautiful :) I think this is the piece of information I was looking for all along.

It looks sort of Jungle Beat-ish, which may not be too bad at all.
Really great stuff :) Made my day!

Monday's update: Peach

Or Meta Knight, since he hasn't been "confirmed" yet either.

[Global-Trance]

This recent update is amazing. Also I LOL so hard because I'm thinking back on all those "Bowser in the clouds" freaks. With this update, we can rest assured without getting our panties in a knot that they are, indeed, just storm clouds... not that anyone who thought about it needed that to be cleared up or anything. XD

[Vidilian]

LOL, check out this ytmnd. Completely bogus but I still thought I'd post it just because it's a pretty original way of tricking people.
http://brawlsonic.ytmnd.com/

[Airwalker]

LOL, check out this ytmnd. Completely bogus but I still thought I'd post it just because it's a pretty original way of tricking people.
http://brawlsonic.ytmnd.com/

Yeah, I can't reproduce that at all. It's just a bunch of random blue dots.

More importantly, how would they get such a clear large image of sonic that display on that page?

[Arek the Absolute]

LOL, check out this ytmnd. Completely bogus but I still thought I'd post it just because it's a pretty original way of tricking people.
http://brawlsonic.ytmnd.com/
lol oh no...

[anne amère]

peach gets kidnapped so you can't play as her

[Drack]

This recent update is amazing. Also I LOL so hard because I'm thinking back on all those "Bowser in the clouds" freaks. With this update, we can rest assured without getting our panties in a knot that they are, indeed, just storm clouds... not that anyone who thought about it needed that to be cleared up or anything. XD

Bowser really is in the clouds. There's no doubt about it. The update does nothing to disprove such observations.

I'm glad Brawl is getting a fleshed out, personalized single player mode. Melee's adventure mode seemed lacking.

[Mastertoku]

If Nintendo actually succeeds with this, then they will be one of the first to create a fighting game - a brawler, so to speak - with an actual character-driven story. I'm worried, but it's Nintendo, so...

[Strike911]

Even if clone characters are scrapped it brings up more questions. Do the orignial clone stay? Will they be removed? Get their own movesets? OR will the original clones stay and future ones stay out?

anyway, I'll take it all with a grain of salt.

.... and a wag of the finger at that SonicBrawl YTMND entry...

[Mastertoku]

Hey, just so you all know:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m285/Mastertoku/2542B.jpg

[Bigfoot]

Bowser really is in the clouds. There's no doubt about it. The update does nothing to disprove such observations.

I'm glad Brawl is getting a fleshed out, personalized single player mode. Melee's adventure mode seemed lacking.

Because it was confirmed that Bowser is purposely added in the clouds, right? They just look like clouds to me.

peach gets kidnapped so you can't play as her

Harry Potter kills Peach, page 613.

[Drack]

Because it was confirmed that Bowser is purposely added in the clouds, right? They just look like clouds to me.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg
^--Actual smashbros.com photo linked, no photoshopping.

If you don't see it, then you just don't see it. It's there.

[BardicKnowledge]

It makes sense for him to be there in any case, because then Mario and Kirby have both of their respective villains to deal with.

[Bigfoot]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea01/modea01_070720j-l.jpg
^--Actual smashbros.com photo linked, no photoshopping.

If you don't see it, then you just don't see it. It's there.

Oh, thanks for the confirmation.

[Sag Ee Mana]

About One player mode, I think they'll bring back the "Break the targets" game.
But not the "Homerun Contest". They'll put something else instead.

51 events in the Melee Event Mode... How many this time? 64 ? xD

[KWarp]

Friday's update:

OMG OMG!!! I'm actually excited for this game again! WHOOHOO THIS IS GONNNA BE AWESOME!!!!1!11!!1one!11!!1!!

[HershDawg]

Ike's going to be fun. Then again I have always had a thing for characters that carry claymores.

Links swords too small. They have is as a long sword. But in twilight princess the Master sword is bastard sword size, while the ordon sword is the size of the older master swords.

[Mr.Roboto]

I have small penis,and im envious of other mens larger penis's.

Sounds about right.

[Aninymouse]

Sounds about right.

Quit stroking your e-penis. Drama drama.

This has been the absolute best update of the entire site's run. I'm not even sure why, but cutscenes like this, even as short as that... get me HOT. TOTALLY feel the footage THRUSTING all over me. We can't actually thrust, because that's a standard's problem, but... man! I can totally feel it.

[Strike911]

Quit stroking your e-penis. Drama drama.

This has been the absolute best update of the entire site's run. I'm not even sure why, but cutscenes like this, even as short as that... get me HOT. TOTALLY feel the footage THRUSTING all over me. We can't actually thrust, because that's a standard's problem, but... man! I can totally feel it.

ew, dirty post! dirty post!!!!!!

[Ferret]

Oh, thanks for the confirmation.


That is not Bowser. That is master hand.

Also...wow...this thread is hueg.

[Global-Trance]

After watching the video clip on the update and then looking at the screen shot, I have to say it verifies nothing except for the fact that it was taken at an instant where clouds happen to form something somewhat resembling Bowser... but it's not Bowser. Just because it looks like Bowser, it means it's Bowser? By such logic I can go ahead and assume Ike and Marth are brothers (or maybe even the same person) because they have blue hair and use swords. There's a bunch of other things I can see in the clouds, but I really don't think I can confirm any validity to them being there just because I think I see it. I'm afraid people are just looking for something that's not intentionally there.

[Arek the Absolute]

I am inclined to agree with my buddy Global-Trance here.

[Azul v2]

You know, I was hoping in the back of my mind that they would put a Hammer Bros. or two as a main character, becuase hes an awesome character in Mario Party and one of my favorite baddies of all time, however I knew he didn't pull enough weight to be a main character. I am almost positive he will be an assist trophy, though.

Glad he is in the game one way or another judging from that screen shot.

[Makai]

You know, I was hoping in the back of my mind that they would put a Hammer Bros. or two as a main character, becuase hes an awesome character in Mario Party and one of my favorite baddies of all time, however I knew he didn't pull enough weight to be a main character. I am almost positive he will be an assist trophy, though.

Glad he is in the game one way or another judging from that screen shot.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html

Hammer Bros were announced some time ago.

[Azul v2]

Well fine. He still would be fun to play though. There should totally be a cheat code or something you can play as him.

[GigaShadow]

I've heard thoughts from some people about ATs being controllable for a short amount of time. Haven't heard any proof, beyond Knuckle Joe having two different finishing moves, but that would sure make things interesting.

[Makai]

I've heard thoughts from some people about ATs being controllable for a short amount of time. Haven't heard any proof, beyond Knuckle Joe having two different finishing moves, but that would sure make things interesting.

Probably would make you an open target when you're using the trophy, though.

[Bigfoot]

That is not Bowser. That is master hand.

Also...wow...this thread is hueg.

I was being sarcastic btw :P they're freakin' clouds.

[GigaShadow]

Probably would make you an open target when you're using the trophy, though.

Unless your character dissapears. It looks like that could be the case when you look at the Hammer Bros and Knuckle Joe images. You can see Kirby can jump away, as if he's leaving while Joe's around.

[Makai]

Unless your character dissapears.

That wouldn't be completely unfair or anything.

[friendlyHunter]

I don't think temporarily "becoming" an invulnerable assist trophy would be that unfair, really... not much more unfair than assist trophies that only attack other characters.

Bear in mind, though, that you can’t control any of the characters appearing on these pages. Let there be no mistake about that.

You heard the man. Make NO MISTAKE!

[Codycrusader]

I got bored

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q164/oppoppo_2006/lol.jpg

[Makai]

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Makai/Profile/ground.jpg

Nobody believes me. :cry:

[eternal Zero]

http://www.maj.com/gallery/Makai/Profile/ground.jpg

Nobody believes me. :cry:

That's cause you don't use straight lines, buddy.

[Hector]

I don't know, it could be some strange kinda liquid.

[Bigfoot]

Since we have nothing better to do than to talk about stupid clouds, watch this video instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnU8soWcG1E

[Jam Stunna]

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAESH_2YOw

C. Falcon FTW

[Bigfoot]

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAESH_2YOw

C. Falcon FTW

hahaha

that was amazing

[Global-Trance]

hahaha

that was amazing

Very similar to my Captain Falcon... funny I JUST thought of wall jump knee today but I didn't think it would be useful. Guess not!

[Bigfoot]

I wanna see someone pull this off in a match, haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-4MgKXElU

[cobaltstarfire]

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAESH_2YOw

C. Falcon FTW

That had me giggling far more then it probably should.

[Global-Trance]

I wanna see someone pull this off in a match, haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-4MgKXElU

Assuming, you know at what percentage this can be done at, this is not very hard at all. It's still pretty amazing to see it every time though.

[Trapical]

Lol, this one is worth it for the music alone:
http://www.brawlsonic.ytmnd.com/

[ILLiterate]

Just to point out, that people have proven that picture to be edited and fake

[Bigfoot]

I thought it was quite obvious really :p

[Vidilian]

Man, I suddenly really want Young Link back in the game again. Imagine Fierce Deity as his Final smash. It would mean someone else besides Bowser could have a transformation.
His chances are extremely low though. If they're gonna have another version of Link it'll probably be the Windwaker/Phantom hourglass verion.

[KWarp]

This defeats the point of a single-player mode, but I wonder if The Subspace Emissary will have co-op...

[Broken]

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpAESH_2YOw

C. Falcon FTW

I giggled at 0:36. He was, for lack of a better word, Falc-owned.

[Geoffrey Taucer]

Just got back from a Melee tourney, definitely the biggest one I've been to so far.

Got a chance to play chudat -- his climbers 4-stocked my doc (my main) in about 2 minutes.

[ILLiterate]

ChuDat is too good, it's perfectly acceptable

Hopefully I'll have a story of greatness after the SFSU tournament on Monday

[Global-Trance]

Just got back from a Melee tourney, definitely the biggest one I've been to so far.

Got a chance to play chudat -- his climbers 4-stocked my doc (my main) in about 2 minutes.

That comes to no surprise.

[Jam Stunna]

Just got back from a Melee tourney, definitely the biggest one I've been to so far.

Got a chance to play chudat -- his climbers 4-stocked my doc (my main) in about 2 minutes.

Don't feel bad. Korean DJ 4-stocked me several times with several different characters.

[Ferret]

I get 4-stocked all the time when I'm using the jigglesmeister, mainly because I try to land Rest far too often :P

Ferret will never be pro-league SSBM player. Ferret is a casual player and can hold his own against other casual and semi-serious players but the guys who discovered all the techniques and the KOREANS FOR THE LOSE will always be better than him.

Ferret is sad and wants a rematch!

[Fishy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3MKJpbURHo&mode=related&search=

More captain falcon.

Btw, I read that Boxman X's party trick is 100-Stocking people, yet I find no videos, anyone seen/heard of this?

[RocketSniper]

So all of this talk about being four-stocked makes me confused. Is that like, you fight in a four lives vs. four lives battle (hence the name four stock)? Or is it 5v5 and the other guy just died once to your five times?


Also, what the crap is with the bag of darkness characters? I've seen 'em several times, but can't quite place 'em...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/RocketSniper/wut.png

[Jam Stunna]

Getting 4 stocked means that your opponent had four lives left at the end of the fight. Most tournament matches are four stock, so you got beat without taking a life from your opponent.

[Thalzon]

Also, what the crap is with the bag of darkness characters? I've seen 'em several times, but can't quite place 'em...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/RocketSniper/wut.png

They're like Heartless mixed with Ratchet & Clank mixed with Wrecking Crew's Eggplant Man.

[Bigfoot]

This picture is pretty awesome.
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7487/bowserfin1xc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://digg.com/nintendo_wii/Mario_vs_Bowser_PIC

[Imagery]

At first it looked like Peach's neck was snapped and Bowser had ripped Mario's head off. That would have been a far more exciting picture.

[NeoForte]

Smoke Ball, should be fun to play around with hehe. Though kinda dumb at the same time. Should prove annoying and distracting.

[Airwalker]

I hope the smoke effect looks great. Like, characters movement and wind in the level moving the smoke. Or Kirby sucking it in.

[BigBoss]

"Well, we gave them something good on Friday, so let's give them some item today."

"Good idea, boss."

[Strike911]

Neato. Smoke nades.

That's a cool idea, I never thought about it being in Smash Bros, but I can see some cool shenanigans occuring from it. :)

Thumbs up. Good update... although it'll be hard to top last Friday's. ^_^

[Imagery]

Talk about smoke and mirrors!

Yeah, Sakurai, way to pussy-foot around apologizing about the fantastic-ass post on Friday being followed up with nothing explanatory or at least awesome.

[JackKieser]

I don't think it would really help to run around with it like Sakurai mentioned without being able to attack as well (I assume when you try, you'll just throw the ball again), but a lot of these could really screw with a match. I'm thinking Togepi's darkness move-style from Melee.

--Jack Kieser

[Hobocop]

I wonder if the smoke balls will emit smoke at a constant rate, or if there is some way to crack them open and release all the smoke at once. Should be a fun way to lure people into traps in any case... wonder why there's two colours

[Imagery]

I wonder if the smoke balls will emit smoke at a constant rate, or if there is some way to crack them open and release all the smoke at once. Should be a fun way to lure people into traps in any case... wonder why there's two colours

The top image (non-screen) shows several different colors. I bet it's chosen at random for each ball to help differentiate between them all. For example if you've got multiple balls on the screen at one time and you plan on picking up the one you only recently tossed, you want to be able to tell immediately which one is yours as the others will have less smoke left.

[Hobocop]

Well, it also seems that some colours of smoke are more conductive to hiding things. In the images it seems that the white smoke would work better than the red, even though it also seems that the red smoke is more concentrated (I guess this might depend on the level). But from the images shown, it seems that the smoke in general is too diffuse to do much, especially if the ball is being moved around a lot...

[Makai]

Well, it also seems that some colours of smoke are more conductive to hiding things. In the images it seems that the white smoke would work better than the red, even though it also seems that the red smoke is more concentrated (I guess this might depend on the level)

I'm thinking both were activated at different times, causing one cloud to be thicker than the other. Not to mention, somebody's holding the white one.

[Antipode]

Wonder if this will in some way replace the cloaking device.

[Drack]

Obligatory map and all one item post

So, take the smallest map possible, pick tiny melee if possible, and have everyone play as small characters. All items are smoke balls, frequency set to very high.

No CPUs, they cheat in limited view situations.

Edit: Smoke balls AND pitfall seeds. Bwahaha

[Sir_NutS]

Obligatory map and all one item post

So, take the smallest map possible, pick tiny melee if possible, and have everyone play as small characters. All items are smoke balls, frequency set to very high.

No CPUs, they cheat in limited view situations.

fun stuff.

I liked this item, looks fun, but only if the smoke gets very thick.

[Infinity's End]

Hey guys, I don't know if someone's already posted about this but Sheik and Ganondorf are now confirmed to be in SSBB due to a slip-up that Eiji Aonuma said in the latest issue of Game Informer.

You can read it here: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=14154

[Imagery]

Hey guys, I don't know if someone's already posted about this but Sheik and Ganondorf are now confirmed to be in SSBB due to a slip-up that Eiji Aonuma said in the latest issue of Game Informer.

You can read it here: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=14154

ya tis olde

[Bigfoot]

Yeah, I'm sure my friend is going to be excited about being able to whore out Sheik again.

[Codycrusader]

Smoke Ball + Banana Peels + Proximity Mines = Fustration but Choas

[Ray Falling]

Smoke Ball + Banana Peels + Proximity Mines = Fustration but Choas

Ah yes, the ancient Ninja ways :D

[Strike911]

I'm happy to see items that change up the strategy of the game a little. It seems like they're really pushing that idea of setting "traps" and using strategies to lure your opponents towards certain areas ...

I can see some real interesting uses for the smoke.... I mean if you put that on a small ledge while someone is trying to recover, it could really mess with you... that is, if the smoke actually covers things well... I'm unsure if Sakurai has allowed the smoke to remain there relatively transparent so that we can see people are running around under the smoke, or if it is indeed relatively easy to see through.

I guess the more smoke balls and colors you have the more chaotic it would end up.

[ILLiterate]

Went to Palo Alto to play smash, had a money match

Did I win or not?

The video will be posted soon

(Sadly this is a Ganondorf Vs. Ice Climbers video, and I thought it was pretty boring but whatever)

[!Nekko!]

Ah yes, the ancient Ninja ways :D

Ninjas with bananas lol

[KWarp]

Smoke Ball + Banana Peels + Proximity Mines = Fustration but Choas

Ah yes, the ancient Ninja ways :D

There are other recipes... (http://www.askaninja.com/ninjarecipes)

[NeoForte]

Oooh Ike's Up Special is pretty cool. Though his normal special is marth and roys but still cool.

[Mastertoku]

Aether looks damn good. Although it seems a bit like Kirby's Up + B... and I'd like to see a midair demonstration for recoveries... but beggars cannot be choosers.

Eruption seems somewhat vague. All I can make of the final screenshot is just a mess of fire. It doesn't even look like he has his sword out.

EDIT: Just noticed - he's plunging it into the ground! Sweet! Now the name actually makes sense.

EDIT 2: Hold on... if Aether's his Up B, then what's his Final Smash?...

[BigBoss]

You fools, he's stabbing his sword into the ground, which then erupts into flames on front of him.

[Makai]

So basically, he'll be a Marth clone with different animations. Eh, his attacks are different enough. Looks good.

This time, there are several moves like this among the heavy characters

Hopefully heavy characters don't all jump 30 feet into the air like Ike here.

[Mastertoku]

You fools, he's stabbing his sword into the ground, which then erupts into flames on front of him.
Bwaha! Noticed!

[Imagery]

So... does it seem to anyone else like Ike's Up+B is useless for recovery purposes? I mean, he seems to come down pretty hard there, whereas most other characters just attack on the way up and then freefall (making recovery much simpler).

[Eulogic]

ike has teh phire

[BigBoss]

So... does it seem to anyone else like Ike's Up+B is useless for recovery purposes? I mean, he seems to come down pretty hard there, whereas most other characters just attack on the way up and then freefall (making recovery much simpler).

oh hello kirby I did not see you there

[Eulogic]

ike's our tyke! ike's our tyke!

[Dhsu]

oh hello kirby I did not see you there
Kirby gets like a billion jumps.

[Imagery]

Kirby gets like a billion jumps.

Plus, I said most.

[Thylacine]

EDIT 2: Hold on... if Aether's his Up B, then what's his Final Smash?...Astra? Well, that would be copying Link quite a bit, but it would fit. That or Sol, where he sucks some energy from others.

I'm wondering if Soren's going to be an assist trophy at this point.

[Baleshadow]

Maybe for Ike's final smash he'll change into his Lord class for a bit, or for just long enough to deliver the attack.

[Drack]

So... does it seem to anyone else like Ike's Up+B is useless for recovery purposes? I mean, he seems to come down pretty hard there, whereas most other characters just attack on the way up and then freefall (making recovery much simpler).

Yeah, works a lot like Kirby's it would seem. Purely vertical recoveries are not necessarily bad, especially as it looks like this one goes pretty damn high.

It just means you'll have to freefall to right by the edge then use Aether. No big deal.

[Kiyosuki]

Yeah, works a lot like Kirby's it would seem. Purely vertical recoveries are not necessarily bad, especially as it looks like this one goes pretty damn high.

It just means you'll have to freefall to right by the edge then use Aether. No big deal.

Maybe the second part of the move only works when it actually hits someone, otherwise he just rises.

Then again that could be mighty abusable by the opponent..

[JoeFu]

I didn't expect Aether to be his UP+B attack... awesome. And wtf, how is Ike a marth clone, none of his attacks are the same as marths.

[Sir_NutS]

Ike's pretty awesum.

[Ray Falling]

Maybe for Ike's final smash he'll change into his Lord class for a bit, or for just long enough to deliver the attack.

But Ike couldn't use Aether if he wasn't in his Lord Class already :)

I knew Aether wouldn't be his final smash, but now you have to wonder what will be 0_0;
The only other thing his uber weapon could do is shoot out shockwaves, so maybe that.

The eruption thing (most likely the same as roy's neutral B) seems out of place for Ike.

Still, pretty awesome character and looking forward to trying him out.

[JoeFu]

I don't think Roy is going to be in this game. The reason he was put in smash was to promote FE:6.

[Rambo]

The eruption thing (most likely the same as roy's neutral B) seems out of place for Ike.

In the picture Ike has his sword sheathed in the ground, which leads me to believe it's never going to have an attack arc (unlike Roy's). Instead once he plunges it there it'll cause a wall of fire in front of him, and likely wider, taller, or both when charged.

[Drack]

Also, I bet he's impervious to knockback while performing Aether because they don't want to have Ike and his sword separated, and this looks more fitting than having the sword mysteriously hover over Ike as he gets knocked across the stage.

[friendlyHunter]

Seems likely to me as well.

My, Samus sure is taking a beating. C'mon Samus, hit 'im back!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/ike/ike_070807d.jpg

He’s not flinching?!

Aim lower, dummy!


Anyone notice Bowser's expression when he's getting hit? And Samus' body language - just from the still shots you can tell the character animation is gonna look amazing.

[Serenade]

I hope Princess Peach will return. I saw her in that 42 second video on the website and that may mean she'll come back. iIhope she will. She's my favorite character in SSBM. :-)

[Strike911]

That's cool.

Interesting that some characters will be invulnerable from flying away during attacks.

Shortly after the sword he won't flinch. Wow, but if he's invulnerable with his triple jump... wow... that can really help in getting back to the level when you've been knocked off. That's a REALLY good ability to have, it will change the dynamics of edge-guarding a little when playing against Ike.

Additionally, battles with heavy characters are going to be really interesting now with that no flinching deal. Cool. Even though they've always been real powerful, I always thought that heavy characters were at a disadvantage to the lighter characters just because their slowness really hindered their ability to fight back. An increased damage taking ability will really improve them. That's the most interesting part of this update I think..... okay, well, that an Aether. =)

And I also have to give props on the character animations. They LOOK good so far... reallllly good, but as fast as Smash Bros is, I wonder if we'll even notice them.

[Dhsu]

I hope Princess Peach will return. I saw her in that 42 second video on the website and that may mean she'll come back. iIhope she will. She's my favorite character in SSBM. :-)
I think that's a given. Her (kind of) new outfit is pretty snazzy-looking too.

Also, please don't make your posts pink again...they're hard to read.

[ILLiterate]

That's cool.

Interesting that some characters will be invulnerable from flying away during attacks.

Shortly after the sword he won't flinch. Wow, but if he's invulnerable with his triple jump... wow... that can really help in getting back to the level when you've been knocked off. That's a REALLY good ability to have, it will change the dynamics of edge-guarding a little when playing against Ike.

Additionally, battles with heavy characters are going to be really interesting now with that no flinching deal. Cool. Even though they've always been real powerful, I always thought that heavy characters were at a disadvantage to the lighter characters just because their slowness really hindered their ability to fight back. An increased damage taking ability will really improve them. That's the most interesting part of this update I think..... okay, well, that an Aether. =)

And I also have to give props on the character animations. They LOOK good so far... reallllly good, but as fast as Smash Bros is, I wonder if we'll even notice them.
I think it's pretty stupid, it's just going to make the character better for scrubs since they won't need to know how to sweet spot or anything

[Ero Elohim]

In the picture Ike has his sword sheathed in the ground, which leads me to believe it's never going to have an attack arc (unlike Roy's). Instead once he plunges it there it'll cause a wall of fire in front of him, and likely wider, taller, or both when charged.

I wonder if Eruption will have a special hit zone for the sword, as well as the fire. Like how Young Link's down-stab hit differently if you (miraculously) hit someone with the pommel of the sword.

[friendlyHunter]

I think it's pretty stupid, it's just going to make the character better for scrubs since they won't need to know how to sweet spot or anything

The non-flinching might not even be as powerful as Yoshi's non-flinching double jump. Did Yoshi's double jump make him unfair and better than everyone else, and... what is "sweet spot" used as a verb?

What's this, a character that has a move that may make it better for beginners??? =O What on Earth were they thinking!?!!

[/overreaction]

[Ray Falling]

In the picture Ike has his sword sheathed in the ground, which leads me to believe it's never going to have an attack arc (unlike Roy's). Instead once he plunges it there it'll cause a wall of fire in front of him, and likely wider, taller, or both when charged.

It may not have an arc, but it is possible to charge it, and Sakurai did say something like "Try for a single-stroke finishing blow with his mighty blade!".
Of course he could still be referring to Aether, but a single stroke finisher on up+B seems...unbalanced?

Still, I think what you think about the eruption attack itself, increasing in size and all. It's a cool attack, but not very Ike-ish. 0_0

[GigaShadow]

EDIT 2: Hold on... if Aether's his Up B, then what's his Final Smash?...

Greil Mercenaries combo! Soren, Oscar, Titania and Rhys all appear and help Ike with some sort of combo ala one of Captain Commando's Finishers in MvC1(and possibly 2. Haven't played that one in ages)

[Makai]

And wtf, how is Ike a marth clone, none of his attacks are the same as marths.

Vertical recovery, chargeable B. Ike's attacks are somewhat different, but they're still deeply rooted in what worked in Melee.

[FlagshipAmadeus]

Vertical recovery, chargeable B. Ike's attacks are somewhat different, but they're still deeply rooted in what worked in Melee.

Didn't Link have a vertical recovery and a chargeable B too

[Jam Stunna]

Hey, does anyone know exactly the rules for crew battles? I know teams share stock, but are you required to announce your crew's order/characters before the battle begins, or just before each match?

[Strike911]

I think it's pretty stupid, it's just going to make the character better for scrubs since they won't need to know how to sweet spot or anything

True, but then again scrubs need all the help they can get. haha.

[ILLiterate]

The non-flinching might not even be as powerful as Yoshi's non-flinching double jump. Did Yoshi's double jump make him unfair and better than everyone else, and... what is "sweet spot" used as a verb?

What's this, a character that has a move that may make it better for beginners??? =O What on Earth were they thinking!?!!

[/overreaction]
Yoshi fucking pisses me off whenever I play one, YES THIS IS ANNOYING

Beginners lol

[Strike911]

Yeah the Yoshi invulnerability is annoying, but then again it IS yoshi after all... hehe.

[Makai]

I can't imagine playing with this in the background, although I guess it'd be like Dreamland was. Not the best remix I've heard, but it's not too bad.

[Thylacine]

I think this is the first Smash background music I haven't liked.

I wonder if it would pass OCR standards; the instruments sound awful.

[Bigfoot]

Wasn't the best, but I still enjoyed it.

[Strike911]

Don't know how I feel about this one..... I mean, the Kid Icarus music isn't the greatest, but compared to some of the themes we've already heard in Melee and from Brawl, this is isn't sounding too great imo.

Yep, I have to agree, of all the songs I've heard this one I like the least... the main theme was okay, but the graveyard and death song I didn't like too much.

Kinda sounds like something I might have heard in an upper echelon N64 title. :-/
There are better renditions of this song elsewhere....

I love ya Sakurai, my man, but I'm not not diggin this update. Try again.

[KWarp]

Oddly, I like this arrangement quite a lot. Then again, the source material carries the song pretty far. Admittedly, the instrumentation is rather meh. (no nostalgia here btw, played Kid Icarus for the first time when it hit the VC)

[Arek the Absolute]

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I hope Princess Peach will return. I saw her in that 42 second video on the website and that may mean she'll come back. iIhope she will. She's my favorite character in SSBM. :-)



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